/jp/ - Otaku Culture

OPくらーい

あかるくいこう

What word is カマ here supposed to be? Nothing in the dictionary makes sense.

I don't really want to give context for this scene since it's spoilers, but in case it's necessary - They're talking about whether or not another character is lying about something. Here are the relevant lines:
蛍「――肝試しの時に一度話を聞いてみたが、俺には葛木が嘘をついているようには思えんがな」

奏龍「うん。俺もそう思う」

蛍「ほう、根拠は何だ」

奏龍「一回カマかけてみたけど、声のトーンが全然変わらなかったから」

>>17747727

>>17747796
鎌をかける

>>17747826
Ah, thank you.

"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Dekiru the Wise?"

"No."

"I thought not. It's not a story that /djt/ would tell you. It is a Nihongo legend. Darth Dekiru was a Dark Lord of Nihongo so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the kanji-chlorians to create... posts. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the VNs he cared about... from being translated."

"He could actually... save kamige from translation?"

"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."

"What happened to him?"

"He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power... which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew. Then his apprentice deleted his Anki deck in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from English... but not himself."

"Is it possible to learn this power?"

"Not from /djt/."

わたしもはにほんごをべんきょうをしています

>>17748022
バカ

I am studying English.

あってる？

>>17748022
俺もは日本語を勉強をしています

>>17747726
>でも、　俺を手なずけたところで
>どーすろつもりなんですかね?

I understand this sentence but could somebody explain the ところ part to me? Or could you point me to a good source that explains these odd uses of ところ? I don't know where to even start.

>>17748021
ｗ

Hello djt

I don't really know japanese. I know the kana and a handful of basic kanji. However, I am fairly proficient at using IME, allowing me to operate as a terribly inefficient OCR device. I also know how to use online dictionaries (I prefer http://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?1C).). Together, these allow me to roughly translate, very slowly.

I figure that with enough time, I ought to be able to achieve better than CGrascal-tier. So I picked a short, untranslated work I liked (pic related).

>私、伊号第一九潜水艦、伊１９なの!
>It's me, the 19th submarine of the I-series: I-19, or Iku for short!
>Me: Not so hard.

>この間、鎮守府に入ったばかりの新艦娘なの<3
>Just now, a new ship girl arrived at the naval base. <3
>Me: I got this.

>ここの提督さんは新着の艦を優先的に秘書にしてくれるらしいから――
>...
>Me: Urk
>The admiral here prefers to appoint newly arrived ship girls as his secretary. (uncertain)

The following 2-3 pages consist of Iku's dream sequence, which appear to suggest Iku is imagining herself to be teitoku's secretary. Which seems to suggest that the second panel really should be
>I've only just arrived at this naval base. <3

When I realized I couldn't determine such a basic thing as whether Iku was talking about herself or not, I was thoroughly disheartened.

Basically I'm looking for advice.

P.S. Is there any rhyme or reason why ほし can convert to , but こころ won't convert to ?

>>17748135
Ignore the last thing, apparently the star and heart characters won't display.

>>17748135
Stop translating and practice reading for a few years, of course.

>>17748135
You should just learn basic Japanese. You don't even have to be at it for a few years, or with any kind of intensity. Simply reading a doujinshi in Japanese every single day for a month will bring you above the level of the typical scanlation within a month. Good luck!

す　し　ざ　ん　ま　い

>>17748135
>mfw EOPs have to rely on someone like this for translations

サーバル尻尾とかアライさん尻尾とかはどこで買えますか

>>17748097
I think it might be being used here as in "this is the part where." So something like "This is the part where i'm supposed to be won over"? Someone stronger than me please confirm

>>17748067

まだ間違っています。
俺も日本語を勉強しています。

What does the つれ mean here?

>>17748329
連れ去った

>>17748331
Thank you. Jisho is useless.

みつぼしおもしろい？

>>17748378
面白いよ

>>17748378
It's funny when I can actually understand it.

にへいよりおもしろい？

Is taking a month to get through both genki textbooks taking to long?

>>17748599
予言の書に記された選ばれし勇者よ

Can anyone define なれりゅ for me? Kanji dictionaries don't seem to pick it up as anything. I did a google search and based on the sentences I found I'm guessing it is something like "to become" but I don't think I'm quiet right.

Anyone here read Saekano? Is it a decent first LN? How much vocab should I know going in?

>>17748839
なれる

>>17748599
not sure if troll.

>>17748944
If you're not, next time just @ them instead of giving them a (You), what they sorely crave

>>17748893
Thanks

おにいちゃんおなかすいた

おやこどんたべたい

When using anki real time import is there a way to make it use say the second or third entry/definition when making a card?

>>17748881
8000

>>17749054
離婚したい

>>17749096
けっこんしましょ

>>17749119
>血痕
なにそれ

>>17748135
The topic is still 私.
There's no hint of the topic having changed.
The second sentence is talking about herself.

ぼくのにほんごはよくない。

いっぱい読め！いっぱい聞け！

そしてAnkiせずできないちゃん倒せ！

>>17749263
皆のもよくないんじゃない？

>>17749265
>Ankiせず

>>17749263
がんばってァノンさん！

>>17749265
>Ankiせず
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lemme just naturally soak in the 80000 vocab words I need to become able to read anything without looking shit up every two seconds

>>17749307
It's not vocabulary, it's grammar that's present even in Tae Kim

>>17749302
Ankiとはできないちゃんの最終兵器だぞ。

Anki is stupid and pointless; just go through the N3 ~ N1 vocabulary books cover-to-cover.

>>17749299
また髪の毛の話してる

>>17749333
explain why i shouldn't make those words into anki flashcards in order to remember them better

Ankiちゃん大好きです。

i'm too dumb to learn vocab please at least let me pretend i'm learning a little by increasing my mature words count

@17749430
use anki then, its free :^)

>>17749430
That’s exactly what the anons on djt are doing. Increasing some binary numbers in a software just to post a screenshot on a cambodian liposuction website.

>>17749430
too dumb to learn grammar, that is. and now i'm also too dumb to properly post my genuine experience in my native language
不幸だ

>ゆっくり

えいごだとなんていったらつうじる？

>>17747726
>DJT thread
>pic is clearly hongkong

>>17749467
>ゆっくり
slowlyやsteadilyと思うよ
ごゆっくりの場合、ほぼほぼ同じ意味よね

>>17749493
まんじゅうのほうはなんていうの？

>>17749467
At a leisurely pace/at one's own pace.

>>17749497
>まんじゅう
fucking tastyやget it in yaかもしれません

はい、僕のショートコントやな
ほら行くで

ボケ　白人か黒人かが日本に生まれると、外人じゃないでしょ？
ツッコミ　まぁ、確かにそうなんですけど、純粋な日本人じゃないだね
ボケ　なら日本人じゃなくて全体外人じゃないなら、何と言う人ですか？
ツッコミ　わからん。「日本に生まれた外人」っしょ？
ボケ　外人の逆だよ。「内人」と呼ばれていいんでしょ
ツッコミ　なんでやねん！

…僕は喜劇にはまだまだやな

日本の音楽欲しだけど、仕方が知らない。日本人はどこから音楽をダウンロードする。

>>17749509
「内人」が面白いだけど
「じんがい」はどう？

>>17749520
えっと

こうしき？

>>17749520
音楽をダウンロードしたければ西洋サイトしかあらへんで、多分な
nyaa.euなどで検索してみぃ

>>17749524
なんでやねん！
人外の「人」というは中国人や韓国人などやろ

>>17749533
えぇぇぇぇぇぇ！

>>17749520
じゃすらっくがこわいからね

>>17749536
だってさ、人外という言葉は化物などの意味があるし
やから日本で生まれた外人を「人外」と呼ばれるのはシャレにならへんで、黒人しかその言葉の意味に合わへんわ

>>17749543
あそうかそうか。でもさ「白人人外」がある。はい「土蜘蛛」だ

>>17749548
なんでｙ
いや待って、うまいわよそんな

>>17749556
はい「ぬりかべ」も

only doing 10 new cards a day

i will never learn japanese

>>17749596
Same but I'm already 6k mature in mining deck

>>17749596

That's pretty much the average, more cards doesn't mean faster learning if you can't memorize them properly.

>>17749596
How many new cards you do is completely irrelevant.

What matters is how many LNs you read a day.

ゆっくりのえいごはないってことでいい？

>>17749712
"coffee break" で いいじゃん

>read a full VN route
>still don't know when 何 is supposed to be なん or なに

I dunno guys, I am doing Anki for quite a while now and am at around 2k mature words. I started reading a VN months ago but the pace was unbearebly slow and I can't bring myself to continue. Thinking of just doing Genki or something to have a more structured learning with clear goals and then go back to reading and hope it'll be at least a little bit more enjoyable.
I think at this rate I will never learn Japanese.

>>17749808
>Thinking of just doing Genki
You can't learn Japanese by reading about it, the same way you can't learn to ride a bike just by hearing someone explain how to do it.

>>17749816
Yeah, obviously. That's why I am thinking of doing Genki instead of sitting here and never actually doing anything, while pretending I am actively reading something in Moonspeak.

>>17749722
Softalk・女性1のことを

ゆっくりっていうんだけど

Softalk female number one じゃあつうじないよね？

>>17749792
Who are you quoting?

>whom
A dekinai even in his own mother tongue

>dekinai
Laughed out loud xD

Been meaning to ask this of you fellas for a while but kept forgetting, can anyone tell me what the guy is saying in this track?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIgFR8XFBY

>>17749981
あたしがねるまにできるならやるー

>>17749981
>>>/r/
Even if this was the translation request thread, it would help if you'd add a damn timestamp for the part you're asking about.

>>17749878
hey /int/ /bro/

what does いたはずなんだけど mean?

What does いたはずなんだけど mean?
"[アオイ]さっきまで外にいたはずなんだけど…"
いた=?
はず= I expect that~; it is expected that~; ~is expected to; I am fairly certain that~; should; ought to; it is natural that~; no wonder~?
なんだ=?
けど=?

>>17750095
>さっきまで外にいなかった？

の

おうようだよ

おにいちゃんならできるよ

>>17750095
いた = 存在した
なんだけど = なのだけど
さっきまで外にいたはずなんだけど… = I must have been outside until now, but...

How much do places like Yen Press and Seven Seas pay their translators?

Finally made up my mind to skip those stupid handwritten "notes" pages in my manga. Progress is inevitable now.

What is the difference between these sentences?

準備しておきます。
あらかじめ準備します。

Is the latter more formal, or written style? I understand the first one.

captcha: hawk for sale

>>17750182
準備しておきます（わたしは準備します、あなたも準備します）
あらかじめ準備します（わたしは準備します、あなたはするかしないか選択できます）

だいたいおなじだよ。ちょっとちがうだけ

>>17750197
なるほど、ありがとうございます。

>>17750182
The first one sounds a response.
When you were asked as 準備しておいて, you might answer as the first one. The second one sounds strange in this case.

>>17750206
どういたしますて

>>17750230
あなたは

だあれ？

>>17750249
俺は?

「俺」を使う男らしさを持たへんのはしゃあないな

>Character has special move called 夏塩蹴り.
Nice.

reminder that it takes natives 2 hour to read a light novel cover to cover.

I don't suppose there's an option in Anki to auto-fail a card after a certain amount of time -- or even a timer that would let me know exactly how long I've been staring at a card and therefore when to move on?

Heisig's Remembering the Kanji uses English for everything, it doesn't even teach the Japanese names for these kanji. Why would I use this exactly?

>>17750884
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting.

>>17750884
you dont

>>17750609
>reminder that native people are fluent in their language

wow, fucking TESLA level intellect right here folks.

>>17750884
Read its introduction, where this question is answered, and many of your misconceptions will be cleared up. RTK does not do what you think it does.

>>17749823
let me hook you up real quick
https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=絵本
https://www.google.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsYYwElc0Ug

Finally finished RTK 1. Did I do good /djt/

Could somebody translate the space scene? The subs I have are missing the part in the middle. I just have:
"The outputs are not going up!"
"What are you, my mom?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gV_Z7YCDLI

is there a way in Anki to see the cards that I have most problems with?

>>17751182
Select ones with the leech tag

>>17751182
sort by lapses in card browser

How's my handwriting? Pretty good, no?

>>17751182
>>17751185
>>17751187
You can directly filther these by using the following filter
prop:lapses>x = the minimum number of lapses you want to start with.

>>17751192
は is somewhat fine, rest looks like shit 2bh

>>17751192
Your ふ looks off, especially towards the end where it barely looks like anything at all.

>>17751199
>>17751207
Okay, I'll ganbaru harder, senpaitachi.

>>17751192
Yeah, almost native level.

>>17750176
If you're talking about Aku no Hana the mangaka gets his shit together and writes those in actual Japanese in later chapters.

>>17751192
Better than my English handwriting

>>17751223

Can you understand Japanese already?

Because otherwise you should channel your ganbaring on actual studying instead of worrying about your handwriting.

I wonder what all these words mean.

>>17749869
my brain

>>17751273
~wonder in one hand shit in the other see which one fills up first~

起きたのにまだ眠い…

>>17750835
There is a timer in the lower right corner. Unless you have it disabled for some reason.

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/803940993
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1156539752
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/648362761
Here are some addons that might do what you want.

>>17751468
永遠に眠りなさい

>>17751538
ヒ、ヒドイ！

>>17751235
You mean the other volumes have those notes between the chapters typeset instead of handwritten?

>>17751273

>>17751707
reminder, this image triggered the search of someone's possessions and got them arrested, convicted, and jailed for possession of virtual child pornography

Is 長い and 長居 pronounced differently?

>>17751768
Didn't he plead guilty?
Never plead guilty.

is a sixth grade vocabulary enough to play rpgs?

>>17751850
its not like you can't look up the words you don't know.
6th grade is pretty fluent though.

>>17751850
vocabulary or understanding
big difference

>>17751850
0 vocabulary is enough to understand rpgs.

I imported tales of the abyss when I couldn't even read hiragana.

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=65365294

いい勉強になりました。

>>17751768
How do you even guess their age. I guess both the judge and the prosecutor wanted to see a little girl getting fugged.

>>17751858
yeah, i can't expect to know every word. i want to be confident enough to understand most of it.

>>17751869
do you mean grammar?

>>17748944
No honest question from someone just starting

>>17751949

Taking too long to what? Your pace should be based on your comprehension and learning. If you understand things easily then you'll progress quickly, if you have a hard time then you'll progress slowly. If you feel like you're capable of going faster then push yourself to go faster, if you feel like you're not grasping what you're studying then try slowing down a bit or try some other source or method.

Understand your own capabilities and think for yourself.

>>17751799
Yes

Is it better to be kanji-heavy or hiragana-heavy?

>>17752247
Do you prefer being regarded as a pompous ass or a childish simpleton?

おはようおにいちゃん

ここあのみたい

>>17752263
what does ここあのみたい mean here

>>17752270
Literally, "I want to fuck everyone here"

>>17752281
haha you got me nice meme sir upvoted

Hey, all, first time poster here. What's the difference between は and が?

>>17752321
What do you mean? Those kanji look nothing alike.

>>17752321
a simple rule is　は is for the main subject of the sentence while が for the related subject.

>>17752321
が marks the grammatical subject, は links to other particles to change their meaning slightly. When は links to a が the が disappears so it looks like は is marking the subject but actually there's a が there you just can't see it.

>>17752321
You are not a first time poster.

>>17752352
>kanji

>>17752321
If you can understand what information is being conveyed by them when they are used in a sentence, then who cares? This is not an important question until you start producing, by which time you should've already done a lot of reading and listening and figured out the answer for yourself.

None of the grammar guides ive seen ever mention the terms godan and ichidan verbs. That seems kind of dumb to me. I had to figure it out myself because tae kim just said "it's u or ru verbs."

I want to listening practice with idol variety shows and the like but I have no idea where to find them

>>17752530
I've never learned them desu
Unless I just picked it up naturally along the way I have no idea what those are.

>>17752530
Figuring shit out yourself is kind of the entire basis of learning anything

>>17752545
Dailymotion has quite a few episodes of AKBingo I think. Haven't watched any in years though.

>>17752552
then i guess you read no grammar guide and used no dictionary
no reason to reinvent the wheel if somebody already did the hard work

>>17752263

>>17752552
If a proper term already exists, why not teach it? Further, why go out of the way specifically to not teach it?

>>17752530
All of the grammar terminology for Japanese in English guides is completely unrelated to how Japanese grammar actually is understood in the Japanese language. You'll never hear a word about even a fundamental concept like 文節, or the division of words in 自立語 and 付属語, or the further division in 体言 and 用言, and they wont teach you that ます, た, and a bunch of other shit are actually 助動詞, in fact, I think the whole concept of 助動詞 is absent from Tae Kim. Then there's the classification of verbs you mentioned which is also very weird since there's never a word about the logic behind the six basic inflections (未然形、連用形, etc...) and how they're related to the suffixes that can come after each form. I had to relearn grammar from scratch, in Japanese, because I wanted to understand all of that terminology. Not that I'm complaining or anything, I think most people don't give a shit about grammar and just want the simplest route to understanding the language, and for a lot of them that is just examples and hand-wavy explanations, and that's fine, but it's really confusing that they have this whole grammar system going unused when teaching the language. I'm sure a lot of people would benefit from it.

Well, Imabi is an exception to that, it actually teaches standard Japanese grammar, but you have to be really autistic to do Imabi given how horribly it's written.

>>17752567
The difference is you're building a wheel. Regardless of the fact someone already invented the language, you still have to put in the legwork of understanding how to build it and actually build the damn thing.

You should absolutely read a guide and theory behind the wheel if you're constructing a wheel, but that doesn't mean you'll automatically be able to make it, or make it to your specifications. While learning the theory and construction of wheels you'll naturally figure out why things exist the way they do, more so than what the theory is capable of telling you.

>>17752530
>The two categories of regular verbs have several english names, but only one japanese name each: 一段 and 五段. In english, they're called consonant or vowel stem verbs, ichidan or godan verbs, or "ru" and "u" verbs.

>>17752643
>Well, Imabi is an exception to that, it actually teaches standard Japanese grammar
There is no single "standard Japanese grammar". There are multiple grammatical systems that draw the boundaries between different jargon terms in slightly different places.

>>17752643
>I think most people don't give a shit about grammar and just want the simplest route to understanding the language
Of course. People come here with the goal of basic comprehension first, if they desire more after that, its not covered very well due to lack of demand.
Reading stories helps sort out the kinks eventually anyway.

>>17752690
>You should absolutely read a guide and theory behind the wheel if you're constructing a wheel
then why did you start this argument with your retarded comment

>>17752707
Because you're a dumb baka who just doesn't understand.

The grammar guides and kanji cards = theory and guide of the wheel.
You do need to read these to start to put things together, but figuring out exactly how they work and linking 2+2 together in your head is the basis of language making.
Its one thing to say
>put a round thing on the ground and it rolls
its another to actually make it roll how you want it.

>>17752719
Someone who merely reads about how wheels work will not understand the need for treads (instead of a finely textured design) or the befit of spokes (instead of a solid design) until the time comes that they make a wheel.

>>17752719
>You do need to read these to start to put things together
then why make stupid comment when some anon was angry the guide was incomplete

>>17752731
It's not incomplete.

>>17752735
it doesn't teach basic stuff as evidenced by the first comment of the chain
don't reply if you don't know what we are talking about

>>17752691
>There is no single "standard Japanese grammar". There are multiple grammatical systems that draw the boundaries between different jargon terms in slightly different places.
Sorry, standard wasn't the right word to use. I meant to say something at least similar to how Japanese grammar is taught at schools.

>>17752731
Because the anon I was quoting said
>then i guess you read no grammar guide and used no dictionary
>no reason to reinvent the wheel if somebody already did the hard work
which was a reply to
>Figuring shit out yourself is kind of the entire basis of learning anything

regardless if there's already things in place to teach you, you're still going to have to figure things out yourself. so saying something like "if you're figuring things out yourself then why bother using dictionaries" is stupid. because you have to have a base knowledge before you begin to figure things out, and you'll never cover an entirety of a language with guides or dictionaries without actually making the effort to figure things out and understand it yourself.

>>17752746
>None of the grammar guides ive seen ever mention the terms godan and ichidan verbs.
The fact that godan and ichidan are the Japanese terms is trivia. Lacking this information does not make it incomplete in any meaningful way. If it was missing something like how to conjugate to the past tense (like Sakubi was for a while lmao) then you might be able to call it incomplete, but complaining about something like this means that what you actually want is an unreadable five-book long impenetrable disaster.

>>17752749
>>Figuring shit out yourself is kind of the entire basis of learning anything
which was retarded as a reply to
>>17752530
>None of the grammar guides ive seen ever mention the terms godan and ichidan verbs. That seems kind of dumb to me. I had to figure it out myself because tae kim just said "it's u or ru verbs."

>>17752758
Yes, but it doesn't make your comment any less retarded.
and I was just posting to call you retarded for making a retarded comment.

>>17752756
it's a very common term for dictionaries, basic stuff
way more useful that some other things he mentions

>>17752769
Every single last piece of information in Tae Kim (except for maybe some of the stuff in the very last two or three lessons) is more important than the fact that ichidan and godan are the Japanese terms. Everything in Tae Kim is EXTREMELY basic. So basic that it's hard to imagine reading with just Tae Kim. You're going to need to adopt more complete reference material, and at such a time you'll figure out what ichidan and godan means just fine. Probably a lot more easily than if Tae Kim tried explaining it early on in the first place, considering you need to already understand basic verbal conjugation to understand why the names are what they are and remember which is which.

>>17752769
what was retarded about it apart from your strawman
I merely stated that it would be better if the info anon needed was in the guide

Well now, I didn't expect you boys to get so torn up over my little post. I mostly just wanted to whine about the because Tae Kim spends so much time cementing "ru and u verbs" into your head, and then specifically says "if you can't tell them apart just look them up in a dictionary," so when I looked in dictionaries for verbs I looked for "is this verb a ru verb or an u verb." And of course, it doesn't have that term in there, it's got "ichidan" and "godan." The other guides I've used don't mention "ichidan or godan," but they do say "go look it up in the dictionary with only OUR term to go off of" so if they know the dictionary they're recommending is going to use specific terminology, why not just teach the fucking terminology?

Gomenasai anonsantachi I didn't mean to start a fight.

>>17752776
>is more important than the fact that ichidan and godan are the Japanese terms
It's basic stuff needed to start using a dictionary.
On the other hand for some of his grammar edict entry is enough.
Let us end this autism though as we just have to agree to disagree.

>>17749330
>できないちゃん
xD

>>17752796
>It's basic stuff needed to start using a dictionary.
Works fine here. Maybe get a real argument?

>>17752799
The "basic stuff needed to start using a dictionary" that anon was referring to was the terms ichidan and godan. That doesn't say "this is a ru/u verb!" it says "this is an ichidan verb." Somebody that doesn't know the term (because they're a beginner and their guide didn't teach it to them) won't be able to make use of that info because they haven't been taught the term. damn dude

>>17752786
was meant for >>17752767
also see >>17752795 for how making people do their own research instead of just mentioning it in the guide is reinventing the wheel

>>17752810
You don't need to know what kind of verb it is to use the dictionary. The conjugation is right there. My dictionary deconjugated なり into なる, therefore it must be one of these "u" verbs that I was taught about. Trivial shit.

>>17752811
That's not what a strawman is, I suggest you learn how to use an English dictionary before trying to use a Japanese one.
And honestly, If you can't figure that one out yourself, you're probably too mentally deficient to learn Japanese.

once again sakubi proves to be the superior grammar guide

>>17752820
english dictionaries use the term

the strawman part was suggesting that I don't know dictionary and textbook knowledge is not enough, that you also need exposure

>>17752828
That's not what strawman means you literal butter brained booger worm.

>>17752820
>And honestly, If you can't figure that one out yourself
I got taught about it before I started using a dictionary, I was just empathising with the anon. Though it's nice that you admit defeat by resorting to namecalling.

>>17752836
That's not what literal means, dumbfuck.

>>17752839
It literally is what it means until you can prove me wrong that you're not a worm with butter for a brain. Because from your posts that is what I gather you are.

>>17752836
that's exactly what you did, you argued as if I claimed textbook knowledge is enough to learn nip
an opinion I never voiced, a convenient strawman you used because you had no real arguments

>>17752843
the person making the claim is the one that needs to procure the proof

>>17752844
A strawman is setting up a scenario by yourself that introduces a opposing claim then defeating said claim.

You (or original anon) made a statement that figuring things out for yourself = reinventing the wheel and the lack of necessity of doing so.
Thus there is no point in figuring things out if its already been done and put in a guide.

And even if this is not the case, that is still not a strawman.

>>17752859
>You (or original anon) made a statement that figuring things out for yourself = reinventing the wheel and the lack of necessity of doing so
yes. in your strawman you argued against a strawman introduced by you (namely that textbooks are enough)

>>17752865
>*in your reply

>>17752865
Jesus fuck anon. Being the token dumbass isn't cute in real life.

>>17752868
my comment
>better read some fact in a guide than waste time finding it out by yourself
your comment
>textbook knowledge is not enough to learn a language
You were arguing against something I never claimed (in fact I agree that you also need a lot of exposure to get a 'feel' for a language).
arguing against something your opponent never claimed is strawman fallacy
Just give up.

>>17752885
Still not a strawman, learn the term before you use it. Dropping the name of fallacies incorrectly just makes you look like an idiot.

And you statement >>17752567
does not say "better to read a fact in a guide than find it out yourself"
it says
"then i guess you read no grammar guide and used no dictionary
no reason to reinvent the wheel if somebody already did the hard work"
implying >>17752859
Because as stated in your post which was a reply to "figure it out" you state there is no reason to figure things out if its already invented.

and still not a strawman, your post claiming that they don't use a dictionary or guides is closer to a strawman, but still not.


no use arguing with stupidity that can't even figure out what a strawman is.

>>17752756
Thanks for reminding me to push the changes I've been sitting on.

>>17752905
>A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.
which is exactly what you did, see >>17752885

>>17752905
>can't even quote
had some fun but it's too much even for my standards

>>17752916
And repeatedly if you look at your post, that is exactly what you presented. You can reword it after the fact, but what you said implies textbook knowledge is enough.
And in the first place I never stated you made that claim, I made the statement independent of your post to make a point that both are needed while your original post claimed otherwise.

>>17752905
>"then i guess you read no grammar guide and used no dictionary
>no reason to reinvent the wheel if somebody already did the hard work"
>implying >>17752859#
>Because as stated in your post which was a reply to "figure it out" you state there is no reason to figure things out if its already invented.
So you meant it's better to figure it out if it's not already figured out by anyone? Not sure what you get by adding the caveat.

>>17752927
>but what you said implies textbook knowledge is enough
ah, so it was a reading comprehension problem
carry on then

>>17752930
Reinventing the wheel. I.e. being in a guide. I was using his analogy and typod.

>>17752927
>while your original post claimed otherwise
Not sure how you got that.

>>17752933
I think you lack simple logical reasoning.
I'm aware that is not what you meant, but that is what the post implies, which is why I called you retarded at the time.
Now after your 20 posts shouting strawman incorrectly and your inability to realize how your post implied something you didn't intend, I can comfortably state you are an idiot.

>>17752944
>I'm aware that is not what you meant, but that is what the post implies
so you are arguing just to argue
not like it's a bad thing, had some fun with you

>>17752944
also, I obviously meant your lack of reading comprehension
good job misunderstanding yet again

I can barely just kind of sort of pull some meaning out of one in every several sentences in とある魔術なんとか. Should I pick something easier or just keep trucking? I feel like I'm mostly only understanding by context and there's so many grammar functions that I don't understand that if I look each individual one up, I've forgotten how they all work together by the time I'm done.

聞える旋律は美しいが、聞えない旋律はさらに美しい。

>>17752972
Fixed

>>17752961
That doesn't sound very compelling. I suggest reading something you understand the majority of at least.

>>17752998
Guess I'll come back to it later after a few more volumes of Kino, then.

nice thread you got here

>>17752972
>プロ野球
なに the fuck

>>17753070

>>17753074
>BEFORE: couldn't understand funny meme image
>NOW: can understand funny meme image
It's amazing what a difference a month can make

youll be as old as old as this nigga >>17753074
before you learn japanese

What does 誘い受け mean? I got it in a sentence and all I can find out from it it means something about BL.

>>17753085
look at other compound words using sasoi and figure out how it involves twink asshole

>>17753085
>uke is 受け
my life will never be the same again

>>17753085
誘い(を)受け(る)? Does that make sense in context?

>>17753104
Yeah that's what I thought it meant. Was making sure if that was the true definition.

>>17753085
Always post the actual sentence. Otherwise you're better off Googling and reading the top result.

https://youtu.be/A2PnItzO0gg

Where's a good place to order mangos

>>17753172
i've never had any trouble ordering from amazon. only real issue is shipping and handling if you're ordering directly from japan can be a bit expensive and takes forever. amazon.jp has a lot of manga really cheap, but they're not always willing to ship outside of japan, and the shipping costs end up being so high that even if the single volume you wanted costs 1 yen, it'll end up costing around 10 bucks.
as for condition, i've yet to be let down, and especially on amazon.jp they're very honest and detailed about the condition of the books (ex "this came from a manga cafe, so there are stamps declaring that on the cover, some of the pages, etc but other than that good condition"). you basically can't go wrong.

>tfw cant get past page 60 on tae kim guide
help a newbie out my muys

It just occurred to me... Isn't Core10K a really great sentence deck (for people who are into that sort of thing)?

Given that it contains example sentences for close to 10,000 individual vocabulary words, the actual amount of vocabulary covered by the deck must be in excess of 10,000 words, right? Which means there's a good chance of it containing a good chunk of the words that you encounter in the wild while reading and listening.

Almost 10,000 sentence cards already made for you, and they're all read aloud by native speakers so you know they're grammatically sound. The audio also serves as confirmation of whether or not the furigana readings on the kanji are correct too.

Rather than the traditional approach to mining whereby you have to create a new card for every new word you encounter, with this approach all you have to do is unsuspend one instead (my idea is that you would have all the cards suspended by default and then unsuspend them as you encountered the words on them in your reading/listening).

I've been contemplating trying out sentence cards lately and as I was thinking about it, this idea just suddenly popped into my head. I figured I'd share it since there might be other people also interested in sentence cards and wondering how they should go about it. Compared to the alternative of manually copy-pasting/typing out example sentences + their translations from J-E dictionaries or textbooks, this approach seems to be better in every regard.

>>17753365
Just noticed one problem, that being the bold formatting applied to the vocab word in focus in the sentences, which you probably don't want in a sentence deck.

Luckily, there's an add-on for Anki which lets you strip HTML formatting from the fields of your cards, thus removing any bolding, colouring and so on:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1114708966

>>17753365
No idea how the sentences are in that deck but I generally found the sentences in core 2k/6k to be so simple that they might as well not even be there

Japanese:
>お茶でも何でいく？
Subtitles:
>"Would you like some tea?"
Context: A student came to visit her teacher at night unannounced.

I read up a little on ていく but the explanation was less than satisfactory. It seems to indicate doing something and then going, but the character who says it isn't the type. It also says it can mean to continue to do something? Can someone explain what's going on here?

>>17753443
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I was under the impression that the sentences in sentence decks weren't supposed to especially long or complicated or anything. Actually, my understanding was that they were supposed to be nice and short.

After doing a little bit more thinking though, I remembered that with sentence cards, while the idea is to start out with J-E cards, you're supposed to transition to J-J cards after a time (I guess once you get to the stage where you can read J-J dictionary results without having to look up 15 other words from the definition in the process), so I guess this Core10K deck is something you would grow out of before you got to the end of it in any case.

小学生の尻は最高。

>>17753537
全く…ッ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9jLHIRVZYM

>>17753537

>>17753469
pls respond

>木 = tree, wood
>森 = forest
>女 = woman, female
>姦 = wicked, mischief, seduce, rape, noisy
what did japan mean by this?

>>17753609
kanji isn't japanese fuckwit

>>17753612
Some of them are actually.

>>17753612
yeah, but I'm not sure if they have the same meaning in japanese buddy. just trying to make some small funny talk

>>17753618
>>17753612
>same meaning in japanese
chinese** ofc

>>17753614
Which ones did they make? I bet it was some god damm food

>abuse coffee/caffeine more and more to go on long binges of rote memorization
>make huge gains, but it's not working that well anymore
>having a hard time concentrating at all without caffeine when I try and study

How good is adderall? I've never tried it because I had a friend in High School that actually needed it for ADHD and he stopped taking it because he said it made him feel less than human after awhile.

>>17753623
I don't think that doing drugs to study is a good long term decision anon

>>17753623
If you're neurotypical, try to get ritalin, not adderall. Adderall is slightly neurotoxic if you don't have real ADHD.

>>17753623
>>17753626
this or modafinil if you can get some. Although caffeine should still be an option, you would ideally cycle though various ones to prevent receptor down-reg(shit doesnt work so good anymore feeling)

Is my Japanese just getting better or has the quality of posts here gone down dramatically for the past few threads? Most of the content has just been study advice (which is covered extensively already in the fucking guide and elsewhere), anki circlejerking, and questions that require literally a single google search. I have yet to see any substantive posts ever since the linguistics guy had a mental breakdown a while back. Are the few remaining advanced learners finally gone?

>>17753469
>>お茶でも何でいく？
Clean your ears, it's probably お茶でも飲んでいく

>>17753644
I'm still here, but if I post too much, it'll expose my identity.

>>17753644
>anki circlejerking, and questions that require literally a single google search.
So, par for the course?
How often do you even come here

>>17753644
I'm still here to tell you to watch anime

>>17753659
How do I start to understand anime in genres like Sci-Fi/magic? I have trouble understanding those

Man, some SNES games sure like to use really ugly fonts. I can read the kanji in this game if I seriously sit down and look at it, but I can't imagine being able to just quickly glance through it. So this is the power of an N5-tier learner...

>>17753672
It's the only way they were legible through CRT blur.

>>17753668
Watch more of them

>>17753668
Read Sci-Fi/magic stuff and learn the weird vocab.

>>17753674

>>17753672
The kanji in your screenshot are all easy to read though.

>>17753672
yeah, that shit is eye cancer to look at normally, but if you squint your eyes to imitate a CRT its super easy to read.

>>17753682
It'll help if I could find them with jp subs
>>17753683
shit never thought about that

>>17753656
Par for the course, but you seem to lack reading comprehension in understanding my post. The thread consists of almost only ankidroning and blogposting now, and there's almost no value in visiting this thread anymore for people outside beginners. Which is unfortunate, since there's been some really valuable and interesting posts in the past.

>>17753688
Yeah, but by comparison, Metal Max 2's Kanji isn't just smaller, it's also more legible, even without the blur. Though I will admit that >>17753686 is more readable, so I guess if I wanna get through Idea no Hi in under a year I'll turn a filter on.
Also, as I said, I'm still pretty early into my learning, so I have trouble with basic kanji sometimes. It took me a few minutes to realize that last one in that screenshot was 通る

>>17753644
/int/'s DJT has always been the quality DJT, you've been missing out. Leave this autism den and come join us over there.

>>17753609
>安 = cheap, inexpensive

women = whores???

>>17753709
>go to /int/ /djt/
>posts are literally exclusively 2nd grade sentences in broken hiragana and katakana
>literally no one has ever passed JLPT N1
>no one wants to read, they just want to talk because /int/ is literally the most normie board after /soc/

>>17753726
A guy posted his N1 results just last week, the posts are of better quality than the blog shitposting going on here and you actually get answers to questions over there instead of snide remarks which devolve into a 50 post argument about what the definition of a strawman is. Oh and no Sakubi shill over there.

>>17753735
Go back to your paranoia containment board.

>>17753735
this thread is a bad example baby give us another chance we can change baby c'mon!

>>17753743
I've given you more than a year, and this place is still too autistic to be useful for learning Japanese or to be a fun hangout spot.

>>17753745
I do wish people would talk more about fun Japanese stuff they're learning, but that always gets memed on as blogposting.

>>17753745
how can you say that, look how >>17753644 is such a smart and informative person, he clearly wants to teach people and looks to be fun to hangout with. doesn't look like a snobby son of a gun at all.

>>17753754
There you go, problem solved. That's exactly what goes on over at /int/'s DJT, yet half the people here insist on staying here and complain how it's shit and useless. Let the /jp/ DJT die like it should have a long time ago, and let the 4-5 autists fucking up this thread sperg out elsewhere on this website.

>>17753745
We're not a fun hang out spot, and we like it that way.
Go back to your flags if you so desperately want them.

>>17753765
Autistic lack of self-awareness in a nutshell.

>>17753770
Avatarposting is against the rules.

Cool I can just report you for avatarfagging now, thanks

>>17753773
Two reaction images from the same thing, an avatarposter does not make.

>>17753790
It does actually.

>>17753790
Haha damn never mind looks like /int/ is way more autismal than we will ever be.
>so asspained you have to take a bunch of quotes out of context instead of discussing the actual content of the guide
What is it about Sakubi that causes people to get so weirdly anusincinerated?

>>17753735
>>17753790
doesnt this just reinforce that this is where you belong
stop self loathing and start learning japanese
i heard you can pass n1 and start a wonderful life in japan as a result of reading the sakubee

>>17753802
Yes, those quotes are out of context and /jp/ is usually a shining beacon of wisdom and knowledge. Just like what >>17753743 said, this thread is also bad because I'm probably reading it out of context, I should familiarize myself with the proper context in order to feel but a wisp of the spiritual enlightenment occurring over here.

>>17753810
Shut up Sakubi, we're not buying your shit.

Aaaaaand derailed again!

>>17753802
People get very upset when they realize they got trolled. https://archive.whatisthisimnotgoodwithcomputers.com/int/search/text/groundbreaking%20sakubi/

>>17753829
Yes, the 50 post conversation about what the nature of a strawman is didn't derail it, yet discussing how to either make this thread a better one for learning Japanese, or migrating people to /int/'s DJT so that they may have better discussions about language learning has absolutely ruined this thread. Delusional isn't just a river in Egypt.

>>17753821
ima be real with you *takes bite of sandwich* i just come here to laugh and talk shit and occasionally throw a bone to someone i deem worthy of bone throwing
can you stop harshing the mellow
we just finally got the other boneheads to stop slobbing all over each others strawmans

>>17753823
didnt i teach you about honourifics in my self titled guide "sakubee"

>>17753849
ctrl+f honorifiic
phrase not found
Looks like you didn't write it after all, huh?

>>17753855
oh i guess not
well heres the quick and dirty you may refer to me as sakubee様 or 陛下

>>17753864
Thanks for the rundown, sakubee奴め

>>17753864
huh, never heard this honorriffic in any of my anime... sakubeeよう

>>17753873
it's pronounced zama as in "zama miroo"

>he doesn't use 俺

what's your excuse for being a little bitch?

>>17753913
I'm not 12 years old

>>17753913
i specifically use 僕 to make 俺 using men realize i want their dick, dummy.

>>17752627
あたしはごちうさみんではないのです

アニメもクラッシュしたけどくやしくないもん

>>17753936
london?

>>17753977
USA, and 3D is PD anyway.

>>17753963
>クラッシュ
どういう意味？興味なくなったですか

>>17754004
４TのHDDがクラッシュしたの

こないだ

>>17754004
>>17754020
そのなかにごちうさ全話はいってたー

でもあたしはごちうさみんでは

だんじてございません

>>17754020
４ｔｂだったの？ぼくだったら超悲しい
なんの銘柄、WDとseagateとか?

>>17754050
しーげーと

どこの（くにの）かいしゃかはしらないよ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnP38TQIIjk

Reminder that you will never catch up to the rate at which the modern Japanese language is evolving.

>>17749383
the textbooks teach you how to use words commonly paired with other words. also, flashcards are gay

also would like to give +1 to flashcards bein gay but then again わたしもそうダね

>>17754107
たまにわかるのがこわい

いなかでもちょっとだけつかう

anyone know what this character is? i can't find it looking through the LN

>>17754182
It's not one character.

>>17754192
ok obviously, you know what i mean

>>17754202
I didn't actually. I figured you were looking for it wrong and thought I'd help get you to a point where you could have a chance of figuring it out yourself.

>>17754182
応用編

>>17754206
yeah i don't want to dick around in a stroke drawing thing for 30 minutes, but ok i'll just ask a japanese person tomorrow

>>17754213
>30 minutes
どうしようもない人だね、あなたは

まいたけがやすかったよ

あたしきょうむてき

>まいたけ
>Grifola frondosa

Do Japanese subtitles for nogibingo exist?

>日本語勉強するので
>あんまり進捗よくない
>友達はバスケに誘いって
>友人の友人が来った
>日本人
>「友達になろう」
>毎日彼女を喋りました
>今は日本語少し上手

(You) can learn Japanese

>>17755479
うわああかっこいい話しだねそれ、兄貴

>>17755486
こちらこそ、
兄ちゃん

What does everyone think about FM Yamato? I think it's pretty neat from what I've listened to so far, seems to be mainly Japanese folk songs with the Tokyo accent.

I'm trying to get the Tokyo accent down by listening to it all the time, is there anything else out there to get that down?

>>17755538
Ah, I meant to say folk songs in general with all of them being in Japanese; the folk songs aren't Japanese-only in origin.

>>17755479
You might just be able to pass N5 with that Japanese

>>17755479
ニホンゴジョウズDEATH!

Why do long vowels so often get stripped out during romanization? Are they too confusing for Americans or what?

I know that Japanese is a language that has the least different sounds compared to the other ones. So there are a lot of homophones.

Does this affect everyday talk? I know a lot of verbs for example that have the same sound but are clearly very different in meaning. Do people confuse these or the context can tell you most of the times?

>>17755631
English doesn't have real long vowels, they cannot be represented when writing in English.

>>17755655
English isn't the only language that uses the Latin alphabet though.

>>17755665
Doesn't matter, that is the answer to your question.

>>17755641
>Do people confuse these or the context can tell you most of the times?
The fact that they exist as homophones should tell you the answer.

>>17755641
nobody understands anyone and just respond to each other with えっ constantly all day

>だのに
I don't get it. Why not「なのに」?

>>17756036
Judging from his comment outside of the bubble it looks like she was using unnatural Japanese. I'm not sure though.

Why do the characters in flyable heart keep mentioning "calorie mate". What is that even.
Like in this line:
結衣「そうだよね。どうせ準備するならケロリーメイトとか、携帯食料とかがよかった…」

>>17756036
bc shes a bad bitch

>>17756093

You could've googled that ten times over in the time it took you to write that post.

>look at something in Romaji
>what am I looking at
>look at something in Kanji
>makes perfect sense

what

is this normal

>>17756099
completely normal

>>17756093
If I remember it's some shitty artificial health food in the game, like a ration.

>>17756096
It's a brand of energy bar. Why do they keep saying it. It's like Calorie Mate sponsors them

>>17755885
I don't think you can tell it so easily. I heard some Japanese TV show's have subtitles exactly because of this.

>>17756109
Calorie Mate would be キャ, they're saying ケ. It's totes different dude.

>>17756109

Do you think the Coca-Cola company sponsors every piece of fiction that mentions drinking cola?

>>17756119
Why don't they just say energy bar.

>>17756115
Oh I see. It seemed strange to keep mentioning a brand by name all the time but that makes more sense

>>17756125

Why don't they just say soda?

>>17756125
It's one way of mentioning something more specific the intended audience could relate to. Similar to how in manga, anime, etc. you will see often censored or slightly altered referencing to brands, people, etc. which the reader/audience will understand.

>>17756132
Cola is more specific than Soda but doesn't refer specifically to Coca Cola.
>>17756142
basically what this guy said is the correct answer

I hate when I have a busy day and I have to Anki before sleeping. Then I have to reduce my sleep if I actually want to read something. Not to mention that then when I wake up, it's anki again. So annoying.

>>17756397
I do anki early so I don't have this problem, but I have to get up real early so I'm sleeping by 9:30.
If I want to get an hour of reading in it means I have to get in bed by 8:30, and I get home at 6:30.

>>17756397
>wake up
>go to work
>come home
>open up game and anki
>do anki cards while dead in game
>Read before bed
i don't see the problem.

why does anki show all the msot difficult leech words in the last couple dozen? i have 84% retention from 200 reviews to 40 reviews left and then BANG it goes all the way down to below 70

i'm already tired and exhausted and in a hurry by the time i get there because the reset is soon so why do they have to show all the difficult words in the end? why ankI?

>>17756491
take your flashcards burn them up like an asteroid they are never gonna fill the void

>>17756491
I moved my leeches to their own deck and usually do them, then core (~50 reviews usually), then mining (~100). After the leeches, everything else feels nice and easy.

My NEET existence is coming to an end. I hope I'll be able to continue my studies even while dying every single day at a wagecuck job.

>>17714645
UPDATE - https://a.pomfe.co/usgewyn.apkg

Additions:
- All the cities from the Tama region of Tokyo. I came across several of these while reading and listening so I decided to make cards for them all.
- The cities and towns from the Nishitama sub-region of the Tama region.
- Region/sub-region cards for Tokyo (Special Wards, Tama and Nishitama)
- The cities and towns surrounding Mount Fuji. Figured these were probably worth knowing and there's only 7 of them so it's not like it's a lot to learn.
- Two more cities which I encountered during reading and listening.

>>17756925
Thanks for your work.

what are some good online magazines with N1 level grammar and vocabulary usage? I read Diamond and NHK mostly but I want to branch out to more difficult and advanced articles in preparation for the N1 this december.

>>17756925
>The cities and towns from the Nishitama sub-region of the Tama region.
Don't know why I wrote that. There are only towns (3 of them) and a single village in Nishitama (the area is apparently "mountainous and unsuitable for urbanization").

>>17756941
No problem.

Going throug tae kim and i'm pretty okay with everything except the quotation part and all the numerous uses for という. If anyone else has had the same problem is there another resource that made it easier for you? This shit is baffling me utterly.

>>17757127
https://sakubi.neocities.org/#quoting

>>17757154
cheers lad

>>17757154
Not wasting any moment to shill sakubi huh.

>>17757242
Not that anon, but do you have any issues with the content presented in that link or are you just mad?

Need some help from anons over here.
How would I write something akin to "It would be an honor to work for ABC Company." Isn't there something more formal than the cuck-Genki "お働きたい” which is just "I want to work" with some お added for keigo?

is it time for todays epic sakubee anal meltdown

>>17757358
just don't give him yous and he'll wander off to spam /int/ instead

Guys I just bought Textfugu. Is it worth it or did I get meme'd?

>>17756968
At the N1 level magazines are harder to read than forums, and forums are much better for learning.
>>17757271
They're just mad.
>>17757372
You got memed hard.

>>17757336
abc会社で働くなんてお楽しそうね
歯車になりたいですよ
ぐるーぐるー
わたしのお尻の中でぐるーぐる
あなたのお返事をお待ちしてます

>>17757400
Isn't there a more formal expression for wanting something? And であります instead of です, and so on. I have no idea actually, but it seems far too casual for the salaryman-speech

>>17757417
you might want to actually read what people respond to you with

>>17757426
He can't.

>>17757417
if you want the real deal then you also need to spend the first thousand words of your message apologizing for your own birth and general existence and the audacity to take up even a second of someones time which is incredibly unbecoming and your entire family is nothing but one giant dark cloud of shame hanging over the entire world while also wasting resources on your worthless miserable lives

>>17757376
Well shit. On a related note, how interested would you goyim be in a rip/backup of the full site?

Should it surface at some point

>>17757456
It wouldn't be that useful but I'm sure it would keep someone from wasting their money like you did.

>>17757456
I don't know if it includes EtoEto, but if so, the audio transcriptions might be useful for beginner listening practice. Someone ripped the audio files a while ago but not the transcriptions. I don't personally care that much so don't go out your way though.

>>17748393
>面白いよ
面白い…だぜ！

>>17751768
For real? In what country?

>>17757644
Canada IIRC. And yes for real.

>>17756099
Because Japs must always return to superior chinese ways

Why does it feel so good to read untranslated stuff while other people are waiting for it to be translated?

>>17757685
If you think that's good, just wait til you start reading NEVER EVER tier VNs.