/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>17673559
Even Shena wouldn't miss Loyter.

>be wearing maintain attribute armor
>finally die
>charisma (which I've been trying in vain to train up) falls, like always

W-why...? This is what for naming my race "NEET".

So, let's say I want maximum Damages, the best thing to do would be to transform these all itno claymores right?

>>17673689
No, because lightsabres ignore armor (100% pierce) and claymores have much less pierce. Your damage die may not be as high, but more of it will get through enemy defenses.

>>17673712
But a lightsaber has 2d5+1 and a claymore has like, 3d21+35

>>17673712
100% pierce =/= ignoring armor.
PV still has a notable impact.

>>17673724
Claymores will be more effective against weak/unarmored enemies, yes. Most of your damage should be coming from non-weapondamage sources, namely stat/skills.

>>17673689
Looking at all this, I wonder if Ano will buff Artifacts. Seems crafted Godly-tier stuff just utterly eclipses one-of-a-kind artifact equipment, which seems really odd.

>>17673757
Well, it takes a fuckton of grinding to create a completely perfect artifact fused item. From my perspective static artifacts are neat items for new players/non-min maxers, but the option to create something absolutely perfect on your own to me is a lot cooler than finding some item and it automatically being the best. Seeing as static artifacts aren't rare in the slightest it would actually be kind of lame and everyone would have maxed gear without trying.

>>17673774
While I see your point there, it still seems odd you can create an infinite number of things better then a unique. Not saying Ano would have to buff their innate stats, but maybe some way to strengthen the Artifact to make it keep up with crafted Godly items.

Did some testing in wizard mode and unarmed refuses to do more than 1 time hit per turn regardless of skill level or number of empy arms. Duel wield does 1 per wep equipped. So its between it and two handed as for which is worth going for, depending on how many slots you need to use on duel wield to equip accuracy compensating items I guess. Not really sure how to test that.

Alright, Moyer the crooked isn't storing craft repair kits anymore, did I fuck up and get his shop rank too high?

>>17673806
If you wouldn't be able to get artifacts better than static ones, then every single high level character would had same equip. And that's terrribly boring... At least while we have so few unique artifacts.

Continuing my thoughts from earlier, you can sleep with <Urcaguary>. She has to be at soul mate though for some reason. Remember to be sleepy and be over a bed.

Why I wanted to teach fire a volley to a snail is that I stumbled on something important. If you're at full health salt will take you into the single digits. It will also bring your gauge up to 95%. 16 snails using fire a volley with guaranteed critical hits could be an amusing way to kill enemies. Just get the heaviest ammo possible to boost critical damage.

>>17673868
Actually for some reason it keeps trying and missing for a 4th hit with 3/4 slots equipped. No + hit equips. I don't think duel wield is supposed to work like that

>>17673868
Skills never ever grant extra ("furthermore") attacks.
They only come from class feats and equipment, as far as I am aware.

>>17673868
>>17673935
And to make things clear, skills determine the number of "furthermore" attacks you are ALLOWED to get.
Most melee is capped at 4, MA caps at 8. I think Ranged can only get one or two?
Dual Wield can get "furthermore" attacks on every hand's hit, but every additional hand gets an increasing penalty to getting them.

>>17673906
I can sleep with the clone version, but not with the original. Oh well, deep down she loves me.

I should probably do some custom text for her.

>>17673935
Its extra arms I was seeing if help unarmed, like if it hit once per arm or your char is unable to use multiple arms despite having them unless holding something. The latter is the case. Which means its a question of if duel wielding is not only strong enough to compare to unarmed/2 handers but strong enough to be worth using mutant slots on hands over... whatever else you'd use them on. Of which I'm not sure since you can't wear multiple of the same artifact so no multiple 7 leagues/that one Ashura necklace, etc and I don't know if the good effects are more likely to spawn on certain types of equips or not since I never really bothered with crafting or messed with equips much on my last char

I need ~20 craft repair kits, wat do

>>17673963
I think there's a point at which you'd get more use out of another armor slot than your 20th hand. Not sure when though, sounds like one hell of a theorycrafting job.
Diminishing returns is definitely a thing with Dual Wield hands.

>>17673980
I remember someone here with an absurdly strong char said on his char duel wield is the weakest way of melee fighting, but I don't think his was a mutant, or how close it was. If it was even vaguely close on a standard 2 armed char duel wield should easily win. Then I just need to figure out how many slots I need to dedicate to accuracy items, test that somehow (wizard mode/wizard wishes are shocklingly limited in the equips they can give you) and then I can just use any extra slots on whatever seems decent. Then I just need to save scum enough to get it all to work.

>>17673975
One of the types of general stores ~lvl 100 holds them occasionally..

>>17673945

gotten 3 on range attacks (pumpkin tossing ninja stars gotten 3 in one turn) not sure if it can hit 4 or not.

>>17673339
Either you're not sleepy, you're not standing over a bed, or she secretly hates you, because you can definitely bang non-party Urcaguary.

>>17674029
I'll fuck her and her clone even if it's the last thing I do then.

Does anyone know if enhanced rice balls train Speed? I checked source.hsp, but I couldn't find the part of *eatEffect that handles enhanced food; just the code for the herb bit and quickling corpses.

>>17674282
I just checked. They do.

Hopefully that doesn't get nerfed.

>>17673559
Someday i will do something notable or stupid enough to get into an op image.

>>17674299
It's intentional, I think.
They said it should apply to ALL foods with a + value, even if it doesn't train it normally.

i really want to impregnate a dark elf.

>>17673774
I mean you can still fuse things into uniques, just less.
I know it isn't saying much at all since he is ridiculously over leveled, but from his screens he posted a good bit of Kai's gear are just unique he added more resists to.

>>17674320
Yea, and to think that even with how strong he is, you can still create gear that's even better than that. I love the almost limitless power potential this game has.

Now that's an interesting question. How does a living lightsaber stack up against a living claymore if wielded two handed? Lightsaber has 100% pierce while claymore has 0% but the claymore has the better damage dice. Decided to take Kai and do some damage tests against the enemies I'm fighting in the void which have cap attributes and cap skills. Important here is the cap armor skills.

Both Claymore and Lightsaber are around 420s. Lightsaber I kept ether but applied a craft repair kit. Claymore I used an adamantium material kit and craft repair kit. Both have been enhanced to +10 using the blacksmith. All 10 living weapon levels went to magic damage for both of them.

Despite the living lightsaber having less damage dice, it was doing more damage than my living claymore. I'm thinking it's due to the 100% pierce. In the instance of my pic, total damage for the lightsaber was 1,078,278 while claymore is 752,467. Ignoring the damage with proximity assist, highest crit/magic damage for the living lightsaber totaled 347,027 and living claymore totaled 296,863. Interestingly for non crit damage the living claymore beat out the living lightsaber though.

So now I've went from a living spear, to a living claymore(which currently sometimes does a bit more damage than my living spear despite my sword skill being much less than my polearm skill.), to now a heavy living lightsaber. Anyone else with a two hand build giving heavy living lightsabers a go? Hows your damage? I suspect pierce really matters against enemies that scale.

>>17674376
how long ingame does it take you to get a living weapon with everything you want? I'm 9 months in to trying to get my living weapon to get magic damage and im wondering if its going to take me ten years to fully level it.

So... To level up alive magical stave i need to use it as, ahem, club? And smash skulls via brute barbaric force?

>>17674399
If I'm understanding your question correctly, how long does it take for me to level up my living weapon to lv 10? Maybe 5 minutes? The reason why it's so fast is mainly because I'm killing very high level enemies in the void with the living weapon. In my earlier days I found challenge and panic quest monsters to be good for leveling living weapons so I would look into those quests and if those aren't even available for you then look into killing dungeon bosses. At any rate, you're looking to kill high level monsters or failing that, lots of enemies to reach whatever exp the weapon needs to level.

Getting the living weapon to level up with magic damage is pretty easy. All I do is kill monsters with the living weapon until it's at 100% and ready to level up. I then look to see if magic damage is an option for level up. If it's not I cancel out of the menu and go to the blacksmith to enhance it by +1. So I enhance and then look at the level up menu again. If magic damage is there I'm golden but if it's not I just keep enhancing the weapon by +1 until I find it as a choice for leveling up.

After that, I just level up my living weapon quickly against powerful monsters and every single time I level it up magic damage should be in the menu for choosing.

>>17674432

just get kills with the living weapon and it get exp

Thanks Elona+.

>>17674484
At least you can eat it.

>>17674484
Thanks for being such a great poster and pillar of the Elona community that your posts require a name you XD random attention seeking faggot.

>>17674501
ecks dee, thanks anon <3

>>17674511
Something fucking looks off about that dog.

Did some tests with a 10 armed mutant, although the char info screen only shows up to 7 arms accuracy far as I can tell. Duel wield skill makes a much bigger dif to accuracy than weapon skill, and weight of wep even under 4 makes a massive difference. Using nothing but the same type of wep and having them be 2 weight at the most increases your accuracy greatly, especially for the really unnacurate later weps.
The 7th weapon is a massive falloff point in accuracy if you have both good duel wield and wep skill so 7, 8 or maybe 9 at a stretch would probably be a realistic number before you start looking into neck/hands before adding more. Wish i could see the accuracy of the rest.
The questions now are:
What is better for accuracy, necks or hands? You want 1 neck slot for Ashura+ hit thing but beyond that I don't have any items that add accuracy to compare
And could one simply stack crit items to forego accuracy entirely. And if so, what slots are best for that?
You can get 100+ to 80% accuracy for 4 weps pretty easily, at relatively low skill levels. About 50 both if your weps are light. The ones after those barely care
At 25% duel wield skill and 25% longsword, the acc goes down 20% per arm. At 50% long sword, it goes down about 30%, at 75%, it goes down about 40%. This pattern is actually consistent. Weird
Raising duel wield keeps the first 4 weps much, much closer and somehow makes the 6th wep more accurate than the 5th.
So it makes sense to focus on raising duel wield before your wep skills for this.

For the guys wanting to add specific body parts to pets without having to cheese : you are going to have a LOT of mutants in your party in your game, namely the little sisters.
Before turning them in, take your gene machine, go to the slavetrader, and add normal 13 slot things ( they don't give limbs ) and see what slots the little sister gain from levelling up.
It's like yet another lottery, will the little sister gain only hands ? Will the little sister gain only waists ? Throw the dice !

Great to see the mods supporting quality posters on our forum.

For living weapons, wouldn't lightning damage be better if you're playing with custom and ride a mount/pet dedicated to casting element scar and wetting the enemy ?
While ice is better for spells due to differing dices, element damage on weapon is the same for all non-magic elements, given the same modifier, right ?

>>17674478
If you wield four weapons, not all four get the exp, only the one that gets the kill, right ?
Wielding the living weapon to level up in the shoot/throw slot would make sure you use it i guess.

>>17674590
Wait a second...! So i can have 27-limb monster in my party?

>>17674610

one that gets the kill gets the exp.

>>17674611
You could yes, but pets can only carry 20 items, so you ca only use at max 20 slots.
And since having in your pets inventory a fire and cold blankets is kinda nice, at least for me that's effectively 18 slot mounts.

Speaking of mounts, is the best mount a black seraph ? There's no other NPC that have boost and lulwy's trick, well, that have lulwy's trick period.

>>17674615
And who gets tht exp when fire bolt gets the kill?

>>17674647
Itzpalt of course

>>17674549
I'm no mutant but maybe this might shed some light on the crit vs accuracy topic. I took my heaviest spears out of storage, both around 420s, and equipped them to dual wield. Normally you don't want do do this because it can kill your speed and just having 2 of these on me put me close to overweight. It also kills your accuracy but I wanted just that for the experiment.

For this experiment I wanted to know if I could still hit enemies that have cap evasion and greater evasion despite running negative accuracy. I would be mostly relying on my ability to hit through crits. Helped through the Eye of Mind skill

Interestingly I didn't have problems hitting for the most part. Most of my hits landed on enemies. Like in my pic, I landed 7 of the 8 hits attempted at the monster. So at very high levels of eye of mind/crit chance you might be able to get away with bad accuracy.

>>17674658
That because of critial hits - they ignore accuracy, and always hit.

>>17674670
What's important is that he found out if it still works against cap greater evasion enemies since greater evasion can force a miss from crits.

>>17674670
That is what he is trying to say. Investing on crit% may negate the issues caused by low accuracy because most of your hits will be crits so accuracy is basically ignored.

>>17674682
Well, to be honest your experience doesn't scales well. He won't have 2k of Eye of Mind. And with more realistic numbers it could be much worse.
Considering that even with 2k you still missed one hit.

>>17674687
Why isn't 2k eye of mind realistic? Kai managed to get it and as far as I'm aware he doesn't cheat. Nothing stopping a player from going with a few hands to start and then going crazy later with more hands once their skill allows for it.

Is there anyway to extend the length of pregnancy other than to have enough health to be able to tank the chest bursting? I noticed when pregnant with parasites you can impregnate others as a special action.
That gave me the perfect life goal. I will impregnate every single npc in N/S Tyris and Lost Irva and become the father of a new age. Then the world will be united as one happy family. Sure some of those not ready for the new world will die from blood loss, but the rest will become stronger for it.

>>17674687
Probably still gets misses at positive accuracy with a normal attack as long as the enemy makes a successful evasion roll against a normal attack. Even my character lv 50 character can miss a putit if I fuck up the roll although this happens rarely.

>>17674718
At the very least it wont be soon. It's not very hard to get 10-20 hands, but how are you supposed to fight with them untill you have insane crit rate? By the time when you have all limbs your eye of mind will be somewhere around 50. And what are going to do with it?

>>17674781
Attacks during time stop never miss.
They can't crit either, though.

>>17674781
Probably start with 4 and as my character progresses add more hands. I wouldn't go completely ape shit with hands as soon as it was available. Besides, there's tons of other things I'd need to farm for before I considered adding even more hands or slots. It's going to be a colossal pain in the ass to craft perfect weapons for a ton of hands. I struggle just 2 good weapons. If you're playing a mutant you're either doing it for the lulz or you're a min maxer. If you're a min maxer you're looking at the long game and not the short game. So you care about what things look like at the end more than the beginning.

I haven't found a single material kit in months and have three living weapons to change.

>>17674815
>as my character progresses add more hands
It's not how it works. To get all limbs you need to get first 15 limbs at level one. Therefore if you're aiming to big amount of hands - you'll have a lot of them from the very beggining. Them you'll get first levels it that's even more limbs. You'll have something like ~20 limbs before even getting eye of mind. And there a good chance that at least half of them will be hands, depends of what you're aiming for.

And yes, of course rushing to Gavela with lvl 1 mutant it's min-maxer affair. But even they need to kill mobs somehow, for further farming.

>>17674849
What are you talking about? When I play as a mutant I start with 4 slots and every 3 levels I get a new slot. I have no interest in cheating in anything so what you're saying to me might not even apply.

>>17674849
Could always you know, grind and just accept that in the beginning you have work to do. I thought everyone playing a mutant already knew beforehand that it's going to be a lot of work.

>>17674825
Buy material kits of souvenir vendors in Larna and arcbelt, and the festivals.
Change material with garok.

>>17674871
Mutant with 27 slots it's not cheating, it's min maxer build. The way you're raising your mutant will give you only 16 slots at the end. That's... Pretty lame, now when any race can have 15 slots.

>>17674891
How do you go about getting more than 16 slots then?

>>17674890
I thought they were ridiculously expensive like everything else. Thanks.

>>17674895
Doctor Gavela, npc in South Tyris. He can add limbs to any character, up to 15.
So, to unleash mutant potential you need to reach him(act2) with character level 1, before you get any limbs from leveling. Get 11 limbs from Gavela, up to 15. And only after that you can start gain exp, and grow limbs with levels.

Since 2 handing a lightsaber had already been brought up, can I ask what I need to do to make the best lightsaber?
I'm already planning to make it adamantine, use a repair kit, and make it heavier. But should I take a basically blank one, garok extra attack onto it, then eventually artifact fusion it? Or should I just try my luck at getting a living one and get magic damage?

>>17674911
Sounds like something you'd make a gene for so your trip to South Tyris is easier. I could always have my gene inherit a couple of living weapons with eye of mind boosting equipment or weapons with timestop to get around hit problems. Not like I need all 20 of my hands to hit day 1. I'd be happy if even 3 or 4 hit as I already would be doing more hits than lv 1 regular human fresh off the boat.

>>17674605
Ice break anything.
Ligthning stay better in any case.

My version of elona is 1.64, should i uptate it?

>>17674919
In this case it's pick your poison. If you go the living weapon route you have to deal with needing stardust and materiums. If you go the artifact fusion route you will definitely want scrolls of gain attribute and if you're going to add magic damage you're going to need lots of sox to get the required tear jewel. Stardust and scrolls of gain attribute are going to be your major hurdles.

If you go the artifact fusion route you can add magic damage, absolute pierce, invokes, or remote blow for example. If it were me I'd look into combining an invoke and magic damage. If you go the living weapon route it's very hard to get another enchant on the living weapon at a pretty good magnitude but it might be possible. In that case I'd be hoping for another elemental damage such as ice at a pretty good magnitude or maybe an invoke.

>>17674947
Do you depend on your shop for money, or is it nice but still 2nd to other means?
Do you need the baility to craft panties and vindale cloack that bad?

>>17674964
I would have preferred the ability to craft underwear in tailoring (bra, sox, panties, bloomers) instead of the shit crafting we got.

what is permanently missable?

some "recruitable NPCs" that you can meet once in dungeons.
child Gwen before going to act 2.
anything else?

>>17674965
Is nice but i mainly make money through questing.

>>17674965
Is nice but i mainly make money through questing, and about the other two things i dont know i am still new at this i am at the level 45 of lesimas at level 45 myself its my first run.

I cant beat the false prophet he always heals before i am able to deliver the last hit.

>>17675024
You could try to silence him, make him drunk or cheap him out from a sagfe distand where he can't do shit.
For the latter, remove your pets, they would hinder this.

Pre 1.69, with shop specialization and cooking+fishing you can be filthy rich quickly and steadily, same with panties.
Now every source of income is nerfed to oblivion and we're left wondering whet he wants to do.

>>17674658
So how should I build my mutant Kai?

>>17674983
Any unique precious item that you do not identify and subsequently lose.
Pael's mom monster form figure if you sell her to Loyter. Regular form figure as well, if you don't get it before she mutates/you sell her. Unlike many gone-forever unique NPCs I don't think she shows up at Amur-Cage.
I think you might lose out on Ragnarok if you get to Act 3 without getting it off of whatshisname in Vernis.

>>17675047
Dunno. I have no experience with mutants. All I cared about in showing in that post is that you can hit with crits despite accuracy being in the negatives. If you want to talk about a humanoid using magic, martial arts, or two hand I'm sure I can answer your questions but mutants fall outside my expertise. Sorry, hopefully someone else can answer your questions.

>*Critical Particle Cannon*
>A giant beam cuts through the entire level
What the fuck was that? I cant find it on the wiki

>>17675168
Maybe one of the new ammo gauge moves? I haven't seen them myself yet.

>>17675174
Makes sense since he's currently using an energy cell as ammo and a laser gun.

does this game have waifus

>>17675196
It's made of waifus.

>>17675204
ok downloading

Try not to let your waifu die too much or she'll hate your guts.

>>17675174
>>17675180
Found it in the changelog, You were right, It is the new energy cell ammo gauge attack

>>17675216
do i have to create a waifu or are they already in the game

Using scrolls of oracle and sense object how can i find the item in the map? the game gives me cordenates but i dont know how to follow them.

>>17675259
Both. I personally created mine.
Unique NPCs require a special rare item to recruit, however.

>>17673559
I need more dark elves in my game. It's not fucking fair that only some players can get them. Then again how can I attract a dark elf when I live in a cave...

>>17675268
how do i make my own waifus

>>17675359
Short version: Take any pet or ally you like and change their sprite, talk text, pictures, etc. to whatever you want. Voila.
Long explanation I'm pretty sure is in the pastebins in the OP.

>>17675168

ammo types have gauge attacks now.

energy cells = rail gun

>>17673559
I decided to write another custom tone file for Elona+, this time around the ever popular Golden Knight.
https://pastebin.com/bKGWE6hH
This tone text is made for the latest version of Elona+ (v1.71)

In previous tone files I wrote before, I tried to keep a vanilla interpretation of the NPCs in mind. This is no different, but default Golden Knight had nothing to go on other than a JPN description not available in ENG which only describes her looks. So I took a small liberty.
In my headcanon I've always thought she'd be the kind of onee-chan who wants to be relied on, but also wants to be praised as well. I tried not to overdue it though.

As usual:
- I'm no writer, so suggestions, improvements and grammar corrections would be appreciated
- I borrowed some stuff from the Generic Dialogue banter in the pastebin
- Still needs some playtesting to know if the text flows well
- The Japanese text is still default

>>17675792
I also wrote ones for Little Girl and Young Lady, available at Elona mod pastebin or my pastebin username.

Little Girl
https://pastebin.com/v8N6DBKm
Young Lady
https://pastebin.com/6Ht0Yryt

>>17675802
Probably personal taste but before I made my own I changed all the contractions in the Young Lady tone to the full words (Can't -> Can not, etc) because it seems more 'refined speech' to me.
The EN action notes helped since the sample was useless in this aspect.

>>17675802
what portrait pack is that

>>17675792
I'm easily pleased and thus have nothing constructive to say, but thank you for your good work, anon.

>>17675949
It's not a pack, he is using individual portraits made by this guy http://scrapiuna.blogspot.nl/2013/11/blog-post.html
There is more in the tabs at the top. Such a good artist, I can't imagine the time it took to make this many all by himself

>>17675925
Yeah, that makes sense. I think I tend to use short form words a bit too often and sometimes it messes with the flow of text.
I think it can also depends on how "Young" the players' interpretation of "Young" lady is.

"Young" could range from Little Child to Young Adult depending on how you translate it.
In-game, Young Ladies when generated from diaries can have their age range from anywhere between 10 to 20, so it's all a up to the roleplay.

Then again, do kids these days use short form words often?

>>17675949
http://scrapiuna.blogspot.com/

>>17674451
don't know what version you play, but latest Elona+ makes living weapon bonuses rotate on a fixed schedule. So once you get a magic damage bonus for example, you'll have to rotate all the way back around, potentailly waiting up to 12 months, to see it again next time.

Besides that, how do you force lower an enchantment level?

>>17675792
>>17675802
>corresponding reddit thread

>>17675028
what nerfed the Cooking+Fishing bit?

>>17676394
Damage the weapon with an acid puddle.
mix something on it.
>>17675792
>>17675802
>>17676109
Baing a s rare as they are, any soul willing to contribute a tone file will be looked upon favorably, though you missed a big occasion by not releasing a younger sister tone on younger sister day.
>>17676428
What? Explain further.
>>17676457
Changing completely how the special shop worked did, it's still good, but it's not great anymore.
A restaurant isn't worth your time anymore.

>>17676394
I'm sure he is playing on 1.7.1, based on his screenshots. Last time I leveled a living weapon I did the same thing: Reroll level up list with enchantments until I get the screen I want, then grind levels fast before the list changes again (usually at the end of the month, but I had some random changes before and I haven't figured out the pattern yet).
You can lower enchantment levels with acid damage, from an enemy or any vial of acid find in dungeons (you need to curse Acidproof to damage your enchantment, but normal acid can be used normally).

>>17676530
Pattern seems to be unique to weapon (and +enhancement level). Two +0 weapons will have different schedules, and the same weapon at +0 and +1 (and so on) will have different schedules still.

>>17676521

thats odd he running off the normal AI and he doing jiu jitsu take down with his squeeze.

>>17676556
Does he know Jiu-Jitsu? Wiki says they'll switch when needed.
>NPCs that use Vindalian Jiu-jitsu will switch to Jiu-jitsu if enemy's PV>DV by 100, and will disable it if enemy's DV>PV by 100.

>>17676530
what if the living weapon generated with the Acidproof bonus? Can it be removed?

>>17676547
Yeah, it's mostly random, but I wonder if there is some logic behind it.

>>17676573
Any change material scroll (inferior/change/superior) should do the trick, since natural Acidproof comes from the item's material (not randomly generated like enchantments).

>>17676650
You can't use materials scrolls on living weapons.

I don't remember mixing acidproof my my living weapons either. But it has it.

what is this bs. i have like 30 spell stock and i cast one time and i dont have the spell anymore fuck u elona.

>>17676764
Ah yes, that is correct. You need a material kits for living weapons.
I haven't tested it yet (except for one accident), but I believe that changing the item's material removes any acid protection (even if it was added by an acidproof liquid, the part I haven't fully tested yet), but only if the new material isn't naturally acidproof.

>>17676573
>>17676650
Wrong. Unlike other intrinsics, if an item has had acid- or fireproof before it will carry over after changing its material.

See pic related for proof, a pair of paper gloves changed to dragonscale with change material scrolls to gain acid+fireproof, and then back to paper with an inferior material scroll. It kept fire+acidproof. Tested on E+1.71

>>17676838
Sometimes i think about Elona but with the magic system of Morrowind and i have an accident.

>>17676900
Then I probably fucked up my weapon/savefile, because its acid protection disappeared after I changed its material, or at some point after this event. But thanks for testing.

>starving
>no food to eat besides the bog standard "cargo of traveler's food"
>try to eat
>"Someone else is using the item"
>walk around, losing HP
>try again
>"Someone else is using the item"
What the fuck is going on? In my 300 hours of playing this' never happened

How do AP gains work while riding, same as tag team, where each gets 50%?

>>17676861
>>17676928
>I probably fucked up my weapon/savefile
Not likely. Either you mistakenly thought it had acidproof when it didn't, or the chance of carrying over protection is not 100%. The wiki says ''there is a very good chance the new material will retain those properties'' implying it doesn't happen every time. But it's vague and the article might not be up to date. A code diver can probably shed light on this. In any case always check your facts

>>17673559
what tilset please for that smug little girl

>>17676928
>>17676989
>>17676900
So basically what you're saying is Ano nerfed living weapons too since they take literal ingame years to perfect.

In fact everything is just taking more time now.

>>17677065
Are you on drugs? The posts you quoted were talking only about changing materials and fire+acidproofing. Material kits are available at souvenir vendors (low tier kits are cheap), and in recent versions you can easily change a kit's material at Garok.

>>17677097
If using scrolls won't get rid of fire/acid proof, what makes material kits an exception?

>>17677140
Why would you get rid of it? You have plenty of chances to get an enchantment list you want, whereas before you only got 4 options based on the name and not this variety. If you want to play vanilla just do it, man

>>17676989
I'm planning to test it again when I get home, with acidproof materials and using liquid on non-acidproof ones. Now I want to understand what happened to my weapon.
>In any case always check your facts
You are correct, phoneposting was a mistake. It was silly of me to posting things just with vague memories.

>>17676394
this "fixed schedule" doesn't seem so fixed to me. or it has some fucked up logic that makes it especially exasperating. In February I got one living weapon, leveled it up and got nether, the next month I got nether, then sound, then nerve...it seemed like I would hit chaos and magic right after. Instead it went to darkness, mind, poison, nether. In october now.

At some point I picked up another living weapon (got them both cheap from merchants on the road), and while it started off with its own pattern, it synched up with my other living weapon and they both give the same options on level up.

I didn't know that enchanting it would move the list along or I wouldn't have already acid proofed it and made it +10. Might try that with another living weapon I found that I haven't done anything with yet.

>>17674658
Interesting, thanks. I'm saved infront of the guy at level 2 mutant (hard to do; for some reason all but 1 of y carried over undead had like 8 digit cooldowns, forcing me to try and hide behind just the one and not get hit ever since I had no good body armor to carry over and that's the only defensive slot Mutants start with) so now I just gotta consider if hitting most of the time at super high levels is good enough or I should add acc slots.

>>17677058
Not a tileset, an individual sprite from uploader. Change to bmp

>>17677197
The workings of the ''schedule'' were changed multiple times in recent updates, we really need somebody to go through the code and get to the bottom of it. The wiki article is already outdated. One thing I like is since 1.69 pets can also level living weapons. I have one on every pet in my party, they weapons are all gaining levels quickly. In earlier versions you'd have to level every single one yourself.

>>17677164
the living weapon level up list is fixed to one element of dmg/res, a few skill and stat buffs, and one potential invoke/extra property per list. Every time.

Min/maxers will want only the best kind of endgame enchantments, such as Magic Damage/Res, piercing attack, etc and will have no use for more common elemental dmg/res or useless skill/stat ups.
Considering enchanting weapons go up to +15 max (unless you waste a weapon level up on +4 enhancement) that's a limited amount of times you can try for a new level up menu if you're stuck with acidproof.

For example, If my ideal perfect living weapon was to deal nothing but magic damage and maybe have pierce and nothing else, and once I do get the first level of magic damage/pierce, i'll have to either wait for them to come back around, or enchant my weapons (if it isn't already +15) multiple times and hope it comes sooner rather than later.

>>17677221
>>17677164
and outside of the limited +15 enchant times, the level up list only changes once per month.
So I don't know what you mean by "plenty of chances"

>>17677221
I get that, but by the time you're ready to create your perfect living weapon, after getting the right selection you should be able to smash your way through the void and level it extremely quickly. Even when you select an enchantment it doesn't change until the month is over, so you have time.

>>17677241
What the fuck?
I don't see how having plenty of time to level it up correlates to being able to select the type of enchantment I want in a timely fashion.

The level up lists changes everytime you level up the weapon itself now. It doesn't stay on magic damage all month.

I don't want to have to wait a month every goddamn time I want a new list of level ups.

So unless the living weapon spawns in a shitty enough material to not have intrinsic acidproof to deliberately dmg my weapon with acid to swap level up lists around, I'm shit out of luck once I hit max enchants. I've enchanted a living weapon several times already and all I keep getting are shitty invokes and nether/chaos/nerv element dmg/res options. Waiting several months yielded same results.

>>17677261
Since when does it change when you level up the weapon itself? I've been leveling my weapons and had the same selection between levelups. Where in the changelog does it say this?

>>17677273
The latest change to living weapons was on 1.67+, and even then the description was petty vague.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_(Elona%2B)/1.60_-_1.69

Bottom line is, I had selected magic damage on my living weapon on the month of October, leveled it up within the same month, and the list no longer offered magic damage despite still being October.

And yes, I'm talking about the ingame month, not real life month incase you think I'm that fucking retarded.

>>17677273
>>17677295
and according to the living weapon pages on the wikia, it says it underwent even more changes after v1.68+
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Living_Weapons
>As of 1.68 the above chart is no longer accurate, though month still has an effect on the available selections.

So who knows what the fuck is going on.

guys i had a rod of wishing with 1 charge i left in tin my house and now it has 0 charges wtf.

>>17677295
Clearly we haven't had the same experience with the selection. It is the middle of May, I'm going to level a lightsaber right now and see what happens.

>>17677295
The same happened to me too, except the list only changed after about 5 level ups.
I think RNG might be involved

>>17677261
>The level up lists changes everytime you level up the weapon itself now. It doesn't stay on magic damage all month.
This happened once to me with my last living weapon. On the very first day of the month I enchanted/damaged my living weapon multiple times to get magic resist on it. Then I leveled it on a fairly slow pace, so it reached level 8 around the 11~18th day of the month. From levels 1 to 7 I had the magic on my list, but on level 8 it disappeared.
I thought it was just a bug, or maybe Ano is fucking with us with some wacky RNG.

>>17677305
Living battery disease, maybe? I never had this disease but apparently it eats any rod you touch.

Here we go again...
I've taken a look at the code again. There are three things the selection depends on:

>taisei = inv(11, ci) + inv(20, ci) + gdata(11)

where inv(11,ci) is a number of sides on damage dice (for example, weapon with 9d3 damage will have inv(11,ci) of 3;

inv(20,ci) is an enchantment bonus,

and gdata(11) is number of current month.

The selection hasn't changed:

>First choice, Enchantment Bonus + 4, is always available.
>Second choice, the resistance, is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 11.
>Remainder of 0 means Fire Resistance will appear as choice, 1 - Cold Resistance, 2 - Lightning, 3 - Darkness, 4 - Mind, 5 - Poison, 6 - Nether, 7 - Sound, 8 - Nerve, 9 - Chaos, 10 - Magic.
>Third choice, the elemental damage, is essentially the same element as in second choice.
>Fourth choice, the stat increase, is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 10.
>Remainder of 0 means increase in STR, 1 - END, 2 - DEX, 3 - PER, 4 - LER, 5 - WIL, 6 - MAG, 7 - CHR, 8 - SPD, 9 - LUC.
>Fifth choice, the skill increase, is determined by the same number.
>Remainder of 0 means Eye of Mind will appear in the list, 1 - Casting, 2 - Dual Wield, 3 - Two Hand, 4 - Tactics, 5 - Marksman, 6 - Healing, 7 - Meditation, 8 - Magic Device, 9 - Magic Control.
>Fifth choice is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 9.
>Remainder of 0 means Shield will be added in the list, 1 - Evasion, 2 - Disarm Trap, 3 - Heavy Armor, 4 - Medium Armor, 5 - Light Armor, 6 - Stealth, 7 - Greater Evasion, 8 - Magic Capacity.
>Sixth choice is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 12.
>Remainder of 0 means Mining skill will be added to the list, 1 - Carpentry, 2 - Tailoring, 3 - Jeweler, 4 - Gardening, 5 - Cooking, 6 - Anatomy, 7 - Fishing, 8 - Alchemy, 9 - Lock Picking, 10 - Detection, 11 - Sense Quality.
>Seventh choice is determined by same number as sixth.
>0 adds Weight Lifting skill to the list, 1 - Pickpocket, 2 - Swimming, 3 - Literacy, 4 - Gene Engineer, 5 - Memorization, 6 - Faith, 7 - Negotiation, 8 - Investing, 9 - Performer, 10 - Riding, 11 - Traveling.
>Eight choice, responsible for the special skills, is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 7.
>Remainder of 0 means Damage to gods will be added to list of choices, 1 - Damage to Undead, 2 - Damage to Dragons, 3 - "increases your chance to deliver critical hits", 4 - "enhances your spells", 5 - "enhances your breath", 6 - "gives you a chance to throw an absolute piercing attak".

>>17677261
>>17677308
I just leveled a fresh lightsaber in the void. This took place on the same day (522/5/17). The selection did not change after multiple levelups.

How does one win really really hard at blackjack, beyond casting hero and cheating? I want to change my class on my mutant to pred for the crit boost, since I was rushing through so many copies of the same dudes after failure I forgot to make her that again. 10% crit should be massive for me

>>17677349
>>17677328
Man fuck living weapons it's not like I wanted them anyways.

I'm going to artifact fusions, at least that equipment system cares about me!

>>17677360
TL note: above post means ''oh I guess it doesn't change after every levelup after all, my bad anon I was mistaken''. It's good news for your future weapons really.

FOR SOME reason MY ARENA RANK keep on reseting ?

>>17677355
Other than the usual lucky day recommendation (or luck buff from blessed food if you are desperate), learn to "read" your opponent's cards. Sometimes you don't need to cheat too much because your opponent already lost the round.

>>17676955
Probably died or fixed it, but try dropping the cargo and then eating it off the floor.

>>17677417
Palmia and Port Kapul arena's hold different rankings.

>>17677328
So it is the enchantment level that affects the list, not the enchantment process itself, same for months.
This means that my list randomly changing in the middle of the month happened probably because I haven't noticed that my weapon was damaged by some acid attack. Now this stuff makes more sense, thanks!

>>17677417
All your ranks, except House, Guild, Museum, will degrade over time if you don't do something to make it raise/maintain.

Whats the highest resolution you can put in Config.txt and still remain in full screen?

Can you make pets ride one another? As in using custom AI or something.

Would using Living Weapons and such be viable as stat/ability increasing tools? (Aka maxing out luck/crafting)

Considering Faith maxes out at 2000, what's the highest default/stock possible bonus worshiping each god would give?(This kinda should have been put in the pastebin long time ago)

I have crazy idea. I want to make supporting pet for my next run. And he's going to be pure supporter - i'm not going to include any forms of "attack" in his AI preferences.

Any particularly good candidates for such role? I know about defender, and there a couple of monsters with innate cheer, but maybe i missing some useful special action?
Or maybe here a pet with a great variety of (de)buffs - so i won't need to painfully learn them myself, just to teach pet and never use them again.e

Could make yourself Roran and try for the new Roran little boy NPC from the book with bound in blood, for regular slots and that buff

>>17677881
That's interesting idea, but not applicable to me. Bound in blood requires gauge to be effective, and with pacifistic pet it won't be very useful. (Besides i'm already decided with my own race)

>>17677844
There are creatures with platinum song (frognrolla, nymph, golden goose). Healing rain is always handy. Insult and synchro hearts can be taught. Spells as well. Probably a good idea to tag your cute support with somebody so they don't get surrounded and killed.

>>17678034
Oh, right! I completely forgot about platinum song. Innate song, plus i can teach him cheer and that's a pretty good amounts of buffs already.
Though, what's the deal with 100gp cast cost?

>>17678068
It's the jew goose's signature skill

I don't have enough life for more body parts ;_;. Gonna have to look into carrying over little girls, getting an singular hero cheese, using them to dupe it, then getting more body parts. I got to 11 body parts without using them, but largely because I wanted neck (for asura), 2 arms (for acc; the necklaces are crap compared to gloves), back for vindale, leg for 7 leagues and a ring because I'm likely going to be mounted so I may as well use that one minus speed but otherwise really good ring. And those are all cheaper than arms.
Will need about 30 of them total to get enough life.
Surprisingly levelling isn't really an issue since you can unlevel yourself in a pinch, carry over expensive items to sell to get deeds and just have undead kill stuff for you. Steal gives exp, but very very little, even for a level 1 char.

>>17678082
Yeah, i know. But my goose isn't evolved so i don't know how exactly does it works. Is it my gold? Or his gold? Won't he drain all gp if i'll use him to always keep a buff on me?

>>17677844
Little girl and nurse have Rain of Sanity.
Harpy has Super Regene (if you want a support pet that's hard to kill).

>>17678100
I'm pretty sure it drains your gold. They charge you the same rate as Yacatect's lullabies.

>>17678100
I suspect it uses its own gp since otherwise Ano could design an enemy that uses platinum song and it would drain your gold.
A way to know for sure would be to enter combat with your party consisting of just you and your (evolved) goose and look at your money before and after it uses the skill.

>>17677844
Cheer can be taught through Custom AI and debuffs can be taught by spending AP on them.
Healing Rain can be taught to your pets but only if your spell level is 50 or more.
Some abilities not all pets can have are Sanity Rain (little witch and evolved nurse), Lay Hand, Absolute Protect (both defender).
If you're going to pick a pet with Absolute Protect be sure to teach it Cure of Jua since it's going to tank hammer strikes with its face.

How do I use the chat? every time I try edit server.txt it resets.

>>17678209
Open config.txt and make sure serverList is set correctly.

>>17678219
it's set to disable auto retrieve, "1"

>>17678225
Try deleting server.txt and recreating it instead of just editing it.

>>17676569

No he does not only skills he got base off chaos seed and its evos+the MA stuff off black gauntlet leold.

Some thing not right about this.

Can I use the outdated Elona Plus Beautify ?

>>17678288
You will need to edit the graphics sheets you want to use with the default ones so that new things are included.

>>17678288
You can if you add the newly added/changed sprites to the spritesheets with paint or gimp. Then just make sure all graphics match.
That's what I've been doing.

>>17677328
I'm not much of a math person but if that's the case then what are the desired variables to let's say have the ability to "inflict Chaos"? Because it seems that that was one of the attributes I was allowed to add to my living weapon and I can't seem to see that in the choices.

>>17678288
Its what I do and all I've noticed an issue with is teas, which i don't even care enough to fix

Where can i get books of mutation or books of resurrection or forbiden meat?

>>17678337
It's right there under the third choice, which is the same as the second. So you'd get Chaos if the remainder is 9.

>>17678365
>books of mutation
Luck. After fully reading one, the book store in mage's guild.
>books of resurrection
Rare drop from mummies.
>forbidden meat
Pot of fusion, quest reward at some point in Act 2's main quest.

>>17678377
Thanks i suppose i should go to the pyramid and grind.

I made someone my soul mate by killing and reviving them repeatedly.

Because I killed them in one hit each time and had the secret treasure of the wicked I gained karma. This is my favorite game.

>>17678401
I fix my karma that way.

Murder a dozen of guards in Palmia and revive 'em.

So, what's the best layout for mutant? Ignoring acuracity. Twin Edge, SLB, and 21 hands?
Or, by the way, maybe i can give SLB to mount? Will it work?

>>17678426
Oh. I just got pissed at someone who heard me stealing. I found out bards can be revived as well.

So I have a couple questions about splitting allies. If they're taught abilities or get feats through AP will the freshly created version get them as well? Will the wet status interfere with splitting?

I ask because I think a cluster bomb rock with a magaqua could make for a good ally. The newly created ones should remain wet long enough for me to get away.

>>17678508

Wet stops splitting how you stop bomb rocks form blowing up.

>>17678515
Wet also stops them from exploding. Never done a hunting quest in the rain before?

>>17678508
It seems inconvenient to say the least. You'd have to always be running away (possibly into danger) from your own pet and worrying about the blast radius. Although you could train one until he is strong enough to survive his own blast and maybe call him in to inflict massive damage to e.g. gods.

>>17678563
IIRC suicide attacks deal 99999 damage to suicidee and don't scale all that well. Not really worth it.

>>17678563

Bomb Rock would need over 99999 hp to survive the suicide attack means shit ton of levels and points in con and life boosting.

If going do this train up bomb rock and evolve it into black crystal bomb with a magic heart, gaining 40 constitution and 30 speed stat bonuses, Shadow Step special action.

>>17678578
This. Same reason allies with death word aren't as useful as you'd first expect.

>>17678563
I was thinking a tag team with me riding another pet. Disable their special actions to prevent draw shadow from being used. After that just teleport out of the way whenever a new one appears and let them handle it.

Why I chose the cluster bomb rock was so I can quickly clear out the group of them once I leave the area and they become hostile. Damaging enemies is just a pleasant side effect.

I heard that the barrier feat makes it survivable at low levels. So long as the original doesn't detonate I can have a repeatedly exploding mass of minions.

Newfag here, I read all the instructions of installing Elona+ 1.71 and Elona+C 1.71 properly. Elona+ works without the custom but once I installed the custom, error happens.
This is what I did: I first install Elona+, then extract the Elona Custom in the Elona+ folder ,and then run ElonaC.exe instead of Elonaplus.exe. But this is what happens when I open it (and yes I tried running it as administrator). Any idea what went wrong?

>>17678622
did u run it in compatibility

>>17678622
Pic of Elona working without the Custom.

>>17678622
Give a cap of your game folder?

>>17678642
Yes, Win7 to be exact.
>>17678657
Here.

>>17678685
Everything seems to be in order, when extracting the custom files you properly overwrote everything right? No idea what the problem might be

>>17678703
Yes, I let the custom files overwrite everything just like what the instruction said.

>>17678712
Do it again, if you Copied over everything instead of using Cut it shouldn't take you long.
I had this happen to me few times while updating/reinstalling. Not the same error mind you, just that game refused to open despite doing everything correctly.

If all fails restart your PC or Shut it down, wait a minute then start it up again.

>>17677925
>needs gauge to be effective
Why? Bound in blood doesn't require gauge, it increase gauge.

>>17678720
I tried everything to make Elona+ Custom to work but the same error keeps happening, guess I'm stuck with just the standard Elona+ for my Mac. Well I still have my PC so I guess I'll install Elona+ on it to play the Custom.

>Get ganked by bandits on road during cargo sale run
>Really don't want to give my cash to them
>Start fighting
>little girl tanking like a god
>Charge up gauge and aim for the boss
>Hits once, barely ~5% hp down
>Hits again, this time in melee range and take another HP bit off
>And again and again and again
>Keep slashing constantly for 20 something attacks before killing the boss
>Run away behind little girl
>She wipes out the underlings easily
That went better than expected.

>>17678822
Little girl is the ultimate

>>17677545
>Can you make pets ride one another?
No, you can only tag team them together.

>Would using Living Weapons and such be viable as stat/ability increasing tools?
Yes, but only for luck and maaaaybe speed. +141 luck per weapon is a sizeable boost, and if you wield three (2 hands + range slot) living luck-sticks before going shopping, you get +423 luck. Add in happy apples \ soma \ lucky day...

>>17676479
>changing how special shop works

I thought they only capped sell prices of things you buy from NPCs and equipment?

>>17676394
This is what leveling a living weapon is like for Kai.

1) Got back from doing 50 floors of the void and have some stardust to use due to repeat precious weapons on void bosses. Do some crafting in my blacksmith shop as I'm going to sell everything that isn't a living lightsaber. Get living lightsaber and apply adamantium material kit and repair kit to maximize damage dice and get rid of speeding up ether disease. Apply cursed flying scrolls to increase its weight for higher crit damage.

2) Head back into the void to quickly level up the lightsaber. Once it's at 100% it's ready to level up

3) I look at the menu choice of what I can select for level up. Cold damage is nice but I'm aiming for magic damage. Escape out of the menu choosing not to level up the living weapon at this time and head to town.

4) At the blacksmith I harden the living lightsaber giving it a +1 bonus.

5) Go to level the living weapon. The menu has changed. Instead of offering cold damage it's now offering lightning damage. Still not what I'm looking for. Want magic damage so I escape out of the menu.

6) I talk to the blacksmith again and harden my living lightsaber to +2.

7) I check the leveling menu again and find it's now offering darkness damage. Still not what I want.

8) I end up stepping through the hardening process with the blacksmith checking the menu each time. In this case, I end up having to harden my weapon to +9 before I get the level up menu I want.

9) At +9 I get the menu I want with magic damage and choose it.

to be cont.

>>17678872
>Yes, but only for luck and maaaaybe speed.
Mutants OP then, if you want nearly 100% positive crafting then mutants are a way to go.
5000 is the maximum number for the quality check AFAIK and with 2000 stock luck+Lucky day+Mutant weapon luck boost.
And then, you just put all those up for you gene to inherit.

>>17678989
1) Head back into the void to level the living weapon further. At 100% it's ready to level up.

2) The menu is still offering magic damage for level up. I'm trying to level up the weapon quickly to keep the same menu because the menu can change if the month changes. Currently the date in my game is 8/27 in my game. If it changes to 9/1 level up choices may change and I don't want that seeing as how the menu I now have has the magic damage I want.

3) Still leveling the weapon.

4) Menu staying the same and I keep adding more magic damage.

5) Get the living weapon to lv 9 and the menu has never changed for me allowing me to add magic damage to my living weapon for each level.

6) Final menu to add magic damage. I managed to level up my living weapon to lv 10. Looks like I also did it in one in game day. Running Elona+ 1.71.

For some reason tag teaming with any pet makes my game kind of stuttery on moving. I don't get it

>>17679112
Normally, when you move your sprite "glides" from tile to tile. When tag-teamed you just teleport instead. So it feels jerky.

>>17679118
Oh I thought it was gonna be a ''just me'' issue.

For some reason the Gamma Shift Core I carried over to my daughter has 78550h cooldown. Which never goes down. The Omega I have in the heir trunk I can't afford to take out also has that cooldown and never goes down. And most of my undead coffins.
Any idea why they won't go down? Or why they're so high? I carried them over to not have to spend more wishes on them but now I'm likely gonna have to

>>17679189
>9year wait time
dang

So I assigned my cupid of love to a ranch and it produced only a single offspring. Is this normal? Why does the cupid of love refuse to make love?

>>17679189
If the cooldown is set by date and not time remaining, that could explain it.

>>17679208
Cupid race has a breed power of a whopping 1.
So you'll probably never get another while you've received one, since the more offspring there are in the ranch the more of a penalty there is on breeding more.

>>17679205
Yea I doubt I'll even play long enough to get it down lol.

>>17679209
Maybe. Been doing farming quests and now its at 78487, but its only going down in them far as I can tell. Waiting in town or walking on the map for any amount of time does nothing which is what made me think its frozen. Its very weird.

>>17679218
Oh, gotcha. Guess I'll kill it then

How do I track skills? It says *. But hitting shift to press * closes the menu.

>>17679230
Holy shit, fucker reproduces in a day, but only one at a time. Goddamn, at least my purpose of a cupid meat farm is fulfilled

>>17679272
Use your numpad

>>17679189
>>17679209
>>17679229
I always figured the cores would be a precious item, especially since they can only be wished for.

surprised they aren't, but with cooldowns like those they might as well be.

>>17679288
Oh lol I'm dumb

>>17679189
The deep sea castle may reset the cooldown to the maximum normal cooldown. It's worth a shot at least.

>>17679296
Don't have access to it yet but I'll check it once I do. Good idea.

Do absolute piercing attacks only work on melee weapons? I found a ranged weapon with this kind of enchantment.

>>17679319
I think this was mentioned few threads back, it just gives you boost to chance on melee weapons, or if you use ranged weapon in melee slot as club or something.

Help, I'm indecisive and can't decide between making a martial artist or going swords for all that living weapon stuff I've never done before. I realize it's a matter of opinion on what's more fun but those opinions would be very helpful.

My little girl keeps tripping on goddamn nothing and dying. Is this normal? My previous char didn't use pets beyond ranches.

>>17679349
I tested MA in wiz mode before starting my journey to making a 27 armed mutant, and its only really good at absurdly high skill levels. Its very good at those though. I'd say go living weps, see how you like them, then switch over if you don't like them

Since changing a weapon supposedly keeps the originals fun attributes is it possible to take a lightsaber, change it to a claymore, then have a claymore with 100% pierce but large damage die?

>>17679379
Sadly the pierce is considered a part of the weapon and not an attribute.

>>17679379
No. If you change the claymore to a lightsaber you will have the damage dice of a lightsaber.

>>17679379
Lightsaber's base enchantment is the darkness resist [##], that is the one that will carry over when you use the Equip Update recipe.

How much INI is too much before AP gains become bad anyways?

My starter characters and pets had INI of 350 and AP gains are quick even without a void dungeon. But newly gained pets nowadays start at a higher level. My recent one has an INI of 750. Maybe that isn't too much higher?

fascination dance wont train charisma my dream of being a combat whore is dead

>>17679435
The other whore technique still trains charisma, you know.

>>17679419
It doesn't mean much long-term. They'll get their AP quickly once you get them to the point of AP gain, no matter what their INI is. High INI just slows the start down a tad.
If you're really worried, reset them.

>>17679419

trips into the void or trip/high level dungeons or to the oblivion Palace to knee cap the pets stats levels etc for a lower INI.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/The_Oblivion_Palace

>>17679349
No idea what the damage potential of a mutant is but as normal human like creature with 13 slots MA is going to do more damage than any of the weapon skills and magic against single targets come endgame. However it doesn't do that enormous damage until you're really up in there in skill level. Martial arts damage dice begins really small and only increases as you level up the skill. It isn't until like skill level 250 that MA starts to pull ahead of other fighting styles. Meanwhile, weapon users are swapping out weapons with all sorts of enchants to up their damage quickly and magic users can transition to stronger spells. Due to this, I would only recommend an MA character only if you really see yourself playing the game for a long time. MA pays you back if you can hold out because the damage can be huge. Like was able to get 15 million damage off of one punch recently.

Having said that, it's not like the other damage types in the game are awful. They're all viable imo. I'm using two hand as well as MA and I'm having no problems killing things with two hand. Ditto with magic. I suspect dual wield to be alright as well but you can't really see dual wield at its best unless you're a mutant I think. If you go two hand you'll be doing good damage right out of the gates and you have an impressive selection of weapons you can look into. Various precious weapons and the ability to craft weapons as well. In my experience with two hand I've found it effective yet at the same time relatively easy to play. Mainly get the largest and heaviest thing you can swing and equip it. Later on you can further your damage by getting gear with additional attack chance and getting a weapon with magic damage or some sort of element on it.

The void should have unique void like scenery and music.

>skill training raises potential by 100% now

Holy what the fug, is this a low skill level only thing or is this just how it is now? I could get used to this.

>>17679491
Skills drain more potential when increased now, however.

>>17677881
>Roran little boy NPC
explain further

Does anyone knows how thief class feat works? His "100% crit rate" very appealing for mutant...

>>17679542
When you are attacking an enemy that hasn't noticed you yet, you will always crit.
Normally the crit rate for these surprise attacks is 1/3.

>>17679540
One of the secret roran characters from the insane book is a little boy with health issues.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Insane_book

>>17679550
Actually i have no idea how stealth works in Elona, so this only brought more questions.
Stealth skill learns by itself, and any character have it at decent level. But i haven't even noticed that every 3rd of my hits is critical. So, i assume it isn't very reliable feature? Or maybe it can become useful after heavy training of stealth? Is it even possible to utilize this crit bonus from feat?

>>17679542
It only works off stealth, which generally means the first hit. My 27 mutant is going pred instead for the more reliable crit rate.
Combining it with that one wide skill that just releases a ton of mist could maybe be good since I think that breaks LoS.

>>17679554
>sickfull older brother
>little boy

>older brother
>boy

>older
>little

Pretty sure he's meant to appeal to filthy fujoshi who like their bishie white haired sphagetti men

>>17679554
>>17679605
>Roran
>male

Absolutely disgusting

>>17679615
Maybe that's why that guy went insane.

>>17679604
>It only works off stealth, which generally means the first hit.
Well, yeah. I guessed it's only for first hit. But if i'll crit just once with all 23 weapons i might not need second the hit at all.

>>17679592
>But i haven't even noticed that every 3rd of my hits is critical.
Like I said, it only rolls the bonus stealth crit chance against enemies that HAVE NOT detected you yet.
If you hit an enemy, they are now aware of you. If an enemy starts moving to attack you, they have noticed you.

>>17679605
I was planning to say "older by roran standards", but I actually never had one so I just believed in what the other anon said about him being "little". I decided to check it myself, and yeah there is nothing little about him, apparently his age is always around 18~22. Back to fox brothers, I guess.

>>17679638

>get wish from well
>wish for vindale cloak because no idea what else would be useful after 7LB+happy bed+BBQ+aurora ring
>drink well again, get another wish right afterward
Guess I'm getting an astral light pen now. Who's worth copying with this thing? I might just copy Gwen for the novelty.

>>17679554
Gay, I'd rather have the fox brother.

>>17679615

>>17673559
>Terrorist suicide bombing in Vernis

Oh look, another adventurer causing us simple folk trouble. Is it really so hard to do an honest day's work of farming than resorting to actual terrorism you adventurers?

t.Palmia Citizen

>>17679702
#NotAllAdventurers

>>17679680
Vindale is meh after you get used to etherwind's routine, though it may save you from getting too corrupted when you forget about it.
You could get a shift core, like Omega, or an astral pen.

>>17679727
Forgot to mention I already had a shift core (though I guess I could get some for my pets), so pen it is.

>>17679727
I have so many cure corruption potions now I don't even bother to pull my vindale cloak out of my pocket anymore. It's easier to just cast return to your house and sit in a shelter.

So why do some songs just randomly change instruments when loading in?

>>17679636
Through a bit of testing I figured out something. The bonus seems to apply if your enemy is no longer in combat. The <Harakiri> allows you to get the thief class feat critical again. The critical hit occurred 20 out of the 20 times I tried it. Just don't use the <Harakiri> again for at least 50 of their turns. Otherwise they may instantly kill you.

>>17679782
So you are telling me a viable strategy for thieves is to pretend to comit seppuku, then immediately stab the unsuspecting enemy in the back? Man I love this game.

So since pickpocketing always succeed if the mark is teleported away, could it be possible to put "if target status sleep then teleport other" on a pet, so you can touch of sleep and chain with pickpocket, letting the pet teleport the mark away after merely one pickpocket tick ?

>>17679851
I know right?

With continuous attacks only the first is a guaranteed critical. That isn't a good sign for a 22 hand mutant hoping to use that for guaranteed hits.

You could use barrier and the obstinate feat for guaranteed criticals. After all, the <Harakiri> and bleeding both damage your health without damaging your mana. Salt does that too by the way.

>>17679851
Even better, you can use your blood stream from seppuku as a weapon as well.

>>17679851
It's traditional Japanese apology-fighting.

>>17679892
I remember when I thought it was amazing you could kill people in this game by throwing pianos and panties at them.
Now we have thieving, suicidal, blood sorcerers.

>>17679947
And for a damage idea on blood stream after using seppuku (more damage the more you're bleeding)...

>>17679947
I killed enemies with a body pillow, hugging, tofu, and throwing money. That doesn't compare to another kill.

I kissed a prostitute to death.

New player here, the slavemaster in Derphy stopped selling slaves and now I can only sell slaves to her. I know I haven't reached my ally limit yet. Did I break her?

>>17679885
>put 22 claws in the 22 hands
>use harakiri
>shoot in the back
There, the ultimate one shot one kill build.

>>17680029
You have reached your ally limit.
You may not THINK you have, but you have.

>>17680038
so if an ally dies then it doesn't lower my limit?

>>17680038
oh i buy them back at the bartender. got it.

>>17680084
>>17680095
Nope. An ally is considered to be in your group unless you release them or drop them off at a dojo/discarded ranch. Dropping them off somewhere basically transforms them into regular NPCs as far as the game is concerned.

>>17679947

>>17680107
wait so you can just have a ranch full of little girls and train your performer skill on them?

>>17680124
Discarded ranch =/= Ranch. The discarded ranch is a special property that lets you store extra pets without them counting towards the limit.
The pet you leave at a regular ranch as a breeder still counts as being in your group, but all the NPCs that spawn as a result do NOT count until you intentionally take them out. (By interacting with them and picking the option)

Free stuff is free stuff.

>avoiding death words
>while trying not starve
>had to back up
>no escape
>no corpses to be found
>die
>after all that struggle
loss makes me frustrated

>>17680135
can you breed pets?

does halberd always have pushback effects?
they are fucking everything up

>>17680243
You can ONLY breed pets. However, it doesn't work like you're probably thinking it does.
You just slap a single pet of any kind into a ranch, then after some time passes (days, weeks, months depending) more of that pet (usually) will appear at the ranch as neutral NPCs.

Seeing people with modded looks in the game. How easy is it to do? Can you mod things like how your character sheet background looks? Seeing interface mods as well.

>>17680255
>How easy is it to do?
babby tier
its THAT easy

>>17680255
All the graphics are laid bare in the graphics folder, it's just a matter of replacing them.
Stuff like individual portraits and sprites is even easier since you can just dump them individually into the user/graphics folder and select them in-game.

>>17680255
Most of what you see in this threads it simple replacement of graphic. But for some interface tweaks(not just appearance) you may need to edit code and recompile game.

>>17680238
That's what traveler food cargo is for.
Even without upgrade you can have 40 units, largely enough for anything.

>>17680255
It's almost scary how easy it is to change the looks of the game. Just need Gimp, Photoshop, or some decent image editing software and time. There are a lot of decent sprite and graphical mods in the mod pastebin that you can take advantage of though so you might want to look at that pastebin in OP. As an experiment I did look into whether or not you can change the character sheet backgrounds and yeah it looks like you can.

Took the jp sura concept art for RO seeing as how my Elona character is a martial artist and with a few edits made it my character sheet background. All I did in Gimp was colorify to make the image vanilla, played with the brightness setting so the image looked faded out, resized it, and exported as a bmp file. Turned out ok and I might actually keep it. Might need to clean it up or lighten it a bit but I'd say mission mostly successful.

First etherwind popped up and immediately gave me hawkeyes for +10 perception. Shaping up to be a good start.

>>17680331
What file in the graphics folder do I need to replace?

>>17680382
ie_sheet.bmp

>>17673559
any way to use a npc sprite for the pc character?

>Split the items that vegetable, fruit, magic, and unknown seed crops yield into groups. Each item group will be harvestable during different times of the year. This is to introduce harvesting seasons to make it seem a bit more like farming. From a player's perspective, items are going to stack 4 times as easily and rods of wishing are also going to be more easily obtainable.
Whoa.

>>17680477
I'm happy for rods of wish chance being multiplied by 4 but in years of farming i never saw a rod so it's probably something like 4/100000 instead of 1/100000

>>17680529
Crops are going to stack 4 times as easily since their variety within a season is going to decrease, it's not that rods will appear 4 times as frequently.

I neglected my little girl the first hundred hours, only now started to really train her and she's catching up to my character so quick it's scary. This fight could have been much more painful if not impossible without her so I am glad.

>>17680539
If you remove 3/4 of the items in a random table, whatever remains effectively got a x4 boost.
But yeah it'll reduce the inventory dump frequency, nice.

>>17680545
If you're using custom, don't forget to put "if self status brainwash then move away" as the first order on the list.
To remove the chance of the monster being unleashed on you instead of on less scary monsters.

>>17679445
sauce?

>>17680461
You PC always uses animated PCC sprites (which I assume stands for player customized character). If you want a static, you'll have to edit a pcc to have a static on every frame of animation. So you open one up in an image editing program, and drop your sprite on all 16 32x48 frames. Then save it in graphic as pcc_body_[number] and select it like any other body

>>17679419
That sister is cute! CUTE!!!

>playing elona for the first time
>at least for the first time after having read the fucking beginners guide
>this happens

what the fuck do I do

>>17681025
There is a wish article on the wiki that can give you some suggestions. Popular wishes are seven league boots, happy bed, and shift core. However happy beds have become rather common now.

>>17681025
seven league boots can help you get around quicker in world map, and do more quests faster as a result hopping from town to town.

>>17681028
>>17681045
nice

>you begin to feel good when hit hard
what does this mean
I'm a bit worried

>>17681092
It means the power of your ass is increasing

>>17681103
>You like showing off your body
praise it

combining two little girls makes them unstoppable holy fuck

>>17679910
This image made me look up and read that comic. I'm really enjoying it. Thank you anon

Good sauces for income (early-mid)? Still selling putitoro to invest in my magic vendors.
(Potion of Potential seen 60+ rank, what about Scroll of growth?)

Does rotten status matter for large picnic baskets? Just the food's rank, right?

>>17681169
Blacksmith. Although you can't mass craft equipment anymore, you can still drop large quantities of fodder from dungeons/quests in there and get good value from them. Also you might get something good as a trade-in from your useless miracle/godly gear, I got this shield that way. Scroll of growth is sold at souvenir vendors for couple mil a piece.

>>17681169
Learn anatomy, and build rabbit ranches.
For the breeding rabbits use "you're certain to get more meat".
Turn the corpses into jerky and sell in a food shop.
If you have a decent salesperson you get 1k per jerky. With 4 farms I get around ~750 jerky every 4 months. The skins are also worth ~200k.

Just killed my first big daddy (lv18), was quite the hard fight, my Exile did most of the work while I was keeping distance.

>>17681208
Jerky is useless both as food and to sell. Cooking a steak from the same meat will earn you over 10k, even the lowest tiers of cooked food will sell for more than jerky.

>>17681228
Requires high level cooking, until you can reliably get rank 9 food jerky will sell for more.

>>17679472
>I've dug/mined more walls than Kai
I'M GOOD AT SOMETHING!

>>17681262
Yeah it's fine. Even if that weren't the case you're still making money, and don't have to take the time to cook a large quantity of meat. But I think jerky got the shortest end of the stick of all the food types.

Got my early go east to go back west with maxed level 1 body parts mutant online. Now its a simple matter of savescumming good slots. Speed isn't as much of an issue as I expected, since I carried over a speedring and 7 Leagues (which surprisngly aren't disallowed) and I have the 20% no pet bonus. Currently I have -20% speed but soon I will probably have to mount, since my plan of just using the speed shift core doesn't work when it has that like 4 year cooldown.

I am about to attempt Loss mode for the first time. Tips on what you would usually do in Essential that you shouldn't in Loss?

>>17682167
This should be a start
https://pastebin.com/EdZjcgPf

>>17682167
Don't do anything that's remotely risky or fun. Only go into dungeons that are levels way lower than what you know you can do then pretend you're good at the game when you don't ever die.

>>17682175
I've seen loss players in these threads do risky and fun things. You sound like you have issues. What have you done lately?

>>17682183
Grind spell levels in my basement and farm AP in the void.

>>17682199
Woah that sounds fun and risky, good job

That's sucks. 27-limbed mutant became insanely more grindy at nowadays. New hand from Gavela takes 22-27(depends of total amount, apparently) life, and he refuses to give new limb when i don't have so much. So, to add 11 hands i need to farm for something like 150 more life. With character level 1.
Dammit. I'm starting considering downgrade to old version just to create character without such insanity...

>>17682207
Going deep into the void where you can efficiently farm AP is risky. I can't think of anything more risky other than attacking gods or high level NPCs.

Why have i never ever used a tactstock before?
Training pets is so much nicer with this.

The void isn't risky.
Awakened dungeons are risky.

And after comparing sources of old and current version i found the main difference. Formula to determine price were drastically changed. With random parts, it used to be life/20+5 for anything. Now each part uses own formula. Some useless parts become cheaper, some more expensive. For hands now it's life/20+22. Right. Much more expensive... And you can't get 11 hands with natural 100 life, which used to be possible.
Long story short: If you want 27 limbed mutant get Elona 1.66(gene files from current version seems to works there), grow limbs, and then upgrade to modern version.

>>17682479
I'd rather play as a snail. No level/savescum worries, and you can get up to 12 hands.

>>17682479
Or you might as well just use Elosnack.

>>17682479
I'd be more interested in starting a mutant myself if it wasn't for the fact that it sounds a whole lot like savescumming and version hopping. If I were to make a mutant I don't want any of that complexity or having to use anything but the base current game and maybe custom.

>>17682479
Does that mean it's impossible to make an ideal mutant on loss mode?

>>17682577
Well, for snail price to add 12 hands would be same. So it's still applies to him.

>>17682587
Actually after checking what going on i returned old Gavela to my game, and added limbs like in old times. That's one of the merits of having HSP compiller.

You can call it cheating, but such limit only for new characters in sandbox game, where people playing for years with same save... it's sucks immensily. And besides, i already had such mutant without any save and source edits, long time ago.

>>17682650
It's not impossible, just a one in 590 quintillion chance.

>>17682634
Well, mutants always been save scum race. By design.
And you still can get 27 limbs without version hopping. It's just... insanely hard. You need to farm cheese with level 1 character. A lot of cheese.

>>17682689
You could just inherit a shitload of little sister corpses. You monster.

>>17682694
Right. That's probably best option now, for those who want to get hands from Gavela.

Or you can go for cheaper slots, like legs, backs and waists - which you still can afford in new version with starting 100 life.

>>17682634
Ayy it was a massive pain the ass to get mine off the ground, and so far my reward is -25% speed and extra damage that doesn't even matter because I'm just 1 shotting everything anyways. But its fun and that's what we play for anyways

>>17682843
>But its fun and that's what we play for anyways

Speak for yourself homo.

Apparently ranged slot works equally good for creatures with any amount of front(upper) limbs, and even without them at all. And it can operate with wide variety of tools, from stones to machine gun.
I'm curious. How such "ranged" limb looks like?

>>17682988

>>17683003
Is it telekinetic grasp?

>>17683010
It's the same force that allows RPG characters to stick their gear to their back when it's not in use.

I'm currently using the spell sprites from All-in-one Graphics pack. They look nice but they haven't been cleaned at all, making them look terrible on any lighter background, especially snow. Is there some cleaner alternative?

>>17683056
That's not difficult to fix, you know.

>>17683067
I know, just wanted to make sure there isn't anything better already before I do it myself.

>>17682988
use u're imagination

>>17683187
Completely unrealistic. The horse would obviously have the gun in it's mouth, operating the trigger with it's tongue.

>>17683010
Likely that or innate magic powers or some such. I mean, creatures can also use martial arts with no hands by using EYE BEAMS.

What I'm curious about is how military putits acquire and put on those helmets. Because they have no hands and in game npcs say that if you take their helmet off they get much dumber.

>>17683202
maybe in ur imagination but in mine he has become one with the gun and its in his brain

>>17683212
It's like the toads hats.

>>17683212
Don't the NPCs only say that during April Fools' Month?

>>17683252
If so then I somehow didn't notice it was.
I'll have to check again just to be sure. Not sure if that would make me happy for my military putit team mate or sad since that seemed like a cool mystery.

''(Speed bonus will gradually increase each time Gravity Accel hex overwrites itself, up to half of target's original speed (Caps at Speed+300)''
how does this work exactly? does it have a short duration but recasts, long but goes up over time, what?

>>17683450
I didnt do an extensive test but casting Gravity Accel gives you the speed buff but also "Gravity" hex(on the left) and if you cast Grav Accel while the hex is still up it will boost your speed further as well as refresh the buff and hex

I found wing snail on hunting quest, and my party is full. Any chance to save him? Will i be able to recruit him later if i fail this quest, and leave him alive?
And yes, i know how pathetically useless he is. But i want to catch them all.

2000 stock luck(maxed out) + 141 luck per living weapon(max luck) X 20 mutant hands = 4820 Luck + 777 Lucky Day buff = Guaranteed positive crafting
x 21 mutant hands + 77 Lucky buff(food) = Guaranteed positive crafting.

I wonder if Ano is going to nerf this if people start making Mutants to make genes with and inherit flawless gear.

>>17683844
Won't the bloodsucking get in the way of making said gear ?
Or the pot for fusion isn't stopped by damage ?

>>17683844
>>17682587

>>17683844
>making Mutants to make genes with and inherit flawless gear.
By the time when you max your lack, and get two dozen of maxed luck weapon you will already have almost flawless character. So it doesn't really make any sense.

Sox get turned into clubs which get turned into hammers. I could turn a good non artifact sox into a perfect material hammer with nerve damage. I could then turn said hammer into an artifact with Garok's hammer. On second thought you'd probably get a living weapon before you get your carpentry that high.

What were they thinking when they removed the recipes?

When an enemy used scavenge on me it ate my caramel of termination. Seeing what happened next gave me a thought. They can repeatedly eat from my inventory, even as pets. Can it be used to give huge stat gains?

Some parts of Elona code is really weird...
if ( jp ) {
strweight = "" + "s"
}
else {
if ( "s" == "" ) {
strweight = "" + "s"
}
else {
strweight = "" + "s"
}
}

>>17684310
I was about to ask where the source is, then I noticed source.hsp in the folder.
>almost the entire game is in one 477k line, 11.5 megabyte source file

>>17684539
forgot pic

>>17684211
Ouroboros could be good for that since it have super regene.$
But considering the only thing you need to do for a pet to go through a lot of food is putting it on the ground, reducing your speed and pressing F3, it's not really interesting as a gimmick pet.

>>17683956
> So it doesn't really make any sense.
Well if you want to play a specific character, RP or something that would allow you to just farm cash for heir deeds and get the perfect equipment for your new character.

>>17684539
can someone point me to where the text are?

>>17684761
scene2.hsp
If you want to actually change the text that displays in-game, I think you need to fiddle with data/talk.txt.
This is assuming you have Custom.

>>17684815
thank you
I just want to correct some things and add misc things

It took a hell amount of time, and still isn't flawless. But that's already much better.

this sock will label you

Is there an easy way to get kitty banks?

>>17685350
One kitti bank lies in Cat House. Accept quest, and steal it - behind first door, Very easy.

>>17685350
If you talk about getting steady supply of kitty banks, invest in goods/general good (forgot where I last brought it from) vendors at home, it may come out once in a while. Otherwise go to thief guild vendors to look for one, still considered rare though.

>>17685340
>It grants you knowledge of anatomy [#] -74
Excuse me?

>>17683760
Thanks

>>17683844
If he wanted to nerf mutants, he'd have probably fixed the 27 part exploit ages ago. But I don't think he's gonna when its only really with that that mutants are even worth a damn when you can get just 1 body part short on any character now and even get to pick your parts from a list making the mutant racial near worthless without it.
If he did remove that, Mutants could really use a buff, because they are only really appealing to an insanely small amount of people even with it. Letting us pick the parts so they become Gavela with less grind would be a good QoL one and stop them being save scumming for barely more reward than other classes get without bothering.

>>17685440
I wonder if he'll legitimize the 27 slot thing next update.
iirc you can have up to 30 body parts(though it requires cheating), so the possibilities for mutants becoming even crazier is there too.

>>17685298
all hands mutants are now, quite literally, a dying species

What the hell, I just got a gene machine from a dungeon. Not a bioprinter, but the genuine article.

>>17682175
Another faggot dictating to others how they should have fun. Actually what he's saying is his idea of fun is taking risks, but he is only prepared to take risks when there is no real consequence to failure. Then he talks shit about people risking their savefile instead of some gold.

>>17685748
I took that guy's advice and been avoiding most dungeons past level 25, been working out so far. Also, who though it was a good idea to place a level 15 dungeon all the way up north in the middle of nowhere?

Also, why don't Statue of Creator add to house value? They look dope and I've been filling my house with as many as I can find.

>>17679778
The game seems to apply some minor variation to tracks, it's pretty interesting

>>17685790
Those normally look like this, probably a joke item. Only use they had vanished with moongates. Might be a reference to the dev