/jp/ - Otaku Culture

My Feedback is that you have to leave.

There's certain topics (which I'm not going to name) that are not allowed to be discussed on /jp/, even though they don't break any rules and are not particularly offensive.
It would be nice if the board rules were expanded to actually say something about them if they're not allowed, so people will know what's acceptable and what isn't instead of getting post deletions, warnings, and bans out of nowhere.

Would any moderator or janitor be willing to discuss this?

Additionally:

Do you think lewdposting (eg. boobhu threads) is problematic?

Is it allowed or forbidden to mention (not advertise, merely mention) other sites outside of 4chan that are related to the ongoing discussion? Does that apply to only specific sites or all of them in general?

Would anyone on the staff be willing to explain, in their own words, what they define as "shitposting"?

Are there any rules, any at all, which are enforced but not explicitly mentioned in the board rules, and if so, why?

Are repetitive threads like "flanfly" problematic?

>>17635096
>Do you think lewdposting (eg. boobhu threads) is problematic?
YES! I wish for the jan-man to permaban every single faggot who uses the word "paizuri". I'm so fucking sick and tired of having those shitter flooding the board.
>Is it allowed or forbidden to mention (not advertise, merely mention)
It should be allowed
>Are there any rules, any at all, which are enforced but not explicitly mentioned in the board rules, and if so, why?
Talking shit about the janster is poor behavior. Call him fat and enjoy your post getting deleted.
>>17635098
Only repetitive boobs threads are problematic. Rest are mostly /jp/ culture.

The only thing I want out of /jp/ anymore is /jpg/. Or rather I want a lot of things, but of them /jpg/ is the most likely (and it's not likely) so that just goes to show you how unlikely the other ones are.

>>17635086
Janitors are not allowed to discuss with users and it is extraordinarily unlikely that any mod would talk to you on 4chan itself, but you can try one of the mods that idle in the #4chan IRC. Don't message them all at once. Be patient and civil. Depending on your time zone you might have to wait some large number of hours. I suggest that you pick one whose name isn't all-caps with underscores. If the mod redirects you to feedback, further trying to push the issue with that mod won't help.

Also, if it's related to U15 in the slightest, give up now while you're ahead.

>>17635096
Anytime you feel tempted to use the word problematic, like in "is X problematic", try asking instead "is there anything wrong with X." It's a word, like "cringe", that allows people to criticize things without actually saying anything about them.

In practice I'm pretty sure we've all noticed that certain sites are persona non grata on /jp/ and some sites that are not. There's a definition of shitposting in the FAQ but I'm not sure anyone actually cares about it. If you have a certain specific complaint with specific moderation behavior that you think is weird you can also try IRC, but asking the staff to "justify themselves" or "explain this shit" won't get you very far.

>>17635104
I have to ask - are you against lewd and sexuality threads in general or just boob threads in particular? If it's the first then that's more consistent, if it's the second then might it be better to just hide the threads and start your own that you do like?

>>17635131
Noted! The idea is to make some particular things more clear to everyone on /jp/ so they know what the limits are, which would incidentally make the staff's job easier.

>>17635140
Outside of one or two isolated posts in general threads, in the last few years that mods have not been talking to /jp/ or for that matter the rest of 4chan in general. If there is some policy in /jp/ you think is opaque and want to tell /jp/ about, you're going to be stuck talking to mods to figure out what it actually is, and relaying that to /jp/ yourself upstream through waves of deletions.

>>17635140
>>17635140
Look, lewds and/or sexuality threads are alright. But hearing "paizuri" in every single fucking thread made under the fucking sun is driving me insane. Big boobs this, paizuri that. It's just fucking enough. I can't stop hiding them because they don't ever seem to stop getting posted at all. This is where janster should draw the line. I know that the average person who goes on /jp/ has not touched a breast in his entire life, but hearing the word "paizuri" alone makes me cringe into achieving fetal position on the floor. The entire board is turning into a shitty breast growth/worship thread from /d/. You make a character thread and slowly watch it get dominated by paizurifags. It is a disease that doesn't seem to stop spreading. Janster could send those threads to /trash/ but they JUST SEEM TO PERSIST

>>17635086
>would be nice if the board rules were expanded
There is only one rule: lurk more.

I swear, newfags these days just jump straight to posting and expect to be universally accepted, and if not, at least have their hand held the entire time when picking up rules. What the fuck happened?

>>17635209
"Lurk more" was mostly intended as a way to encourage users to figure out board user conventions, rather than to divine the complex set of unlisted moderation policies seemingly unique to /jp/ that were silently installed over the last three years.

Idols really have to go or at least be policed.
There are so many shitty generals now that are really not in the spirit of the board, even if they do technically fall under `Otaku Culture'.

I wouldn't mind a thread about idols and idol culture every now and then, but it's near constant and what threads I've looked through are uniformly rubbish.

>>17635178
So you just dislike boobs, alright.

>>17635178
>breasts are /d/
For fuck's sake. You've never even been to /d/, have you?

>>17635223
>divine the complex set of unlisted moderation
That's what "board culture" is, and it isn't very complex.

Lurk for a few months, and you will have almost inevitably picked out what kinds of threads are made and enjoy a long welcome, and what kinds aren't, or disappear very quickly. If that's not enough, you could look at the archive and check a bunch of sub-20-post threads to get a general gist of what doesn't fly. Or you could be a retarded millennial, jump straight into posting, and then whinge like a child who wants a new toy, because nobody force-fed you the rules and you got yourself warned. Boo fucking hoo.

Lurk the fuck more.

What exactly is the deal with greentexting, spoiler tags, and the stigma against using them for something other than their explicit purpose? Thought it was just some meme, but seen too many posts get axed for it.

>>17635096
>Do you think lewdposting (eg. boobhu threads) is problematic?
Hell no. It's impossible to talk about most otaku shit without it getting lewd sometimes. Trying to regulate it is just going cause trouble.
>Is it allowed or forbidden to mention (not advertise, merely mention) other sites outside of 4chan that are related to the ongoing discussion? Does that apply to only specific sites or all of them in general?
Of course. Why would this be a problem?
>Would anyone on the staff be willing to explain, in their own words, what they define as "shitposting"?
>Are there any rules, any at all, which are enforced but not explicitly mentioned in the board rules, and if so, why?
I'll second both those questions.

>>17635209
/jp/ got nicer, /jp/ got moderated, /jp/'s culture changed.

>>17635261
>That's what "board culture" is, and it isn't very complex.
Board culture is historically constructed by users rather than moderators.

>Lurk the fuck more.
I have been lurking for over 7 years, regularly check up on deleted threads, and still think that some portion of the deletions conducted in /jp/ are rather arbitrary. Forcing people to infer a "secret rule" that cannot be criticized because it's not a real rule so there's nothing to point at is inane.

>>17635273
It leads to metadiscussion, and when metadiscussion happens someone eventually comes along and nukes every post within a file mile radius.

>>17635291
>I have been lurking for over 7 years
So you don't even understand what "lurking" means.

>>17635293
You got me. I started lurking seven years ago, back when the culture was completely unrecognizable from what it is today. How long should I cease posting for again so that I can internalize /jp/'s "new" standards?

beato

>>17635297
If you haven't adapted on the go, then I don't know what to fucking tell you, mate. I've been here since 2006. I was here when /jp/ was made. I was here when Gensokyo Man single-handedly caused the board to be effectively nuked. I was here when idol generals began to be a thing, and I was here when I put that shit into my filter list so I never have to look at it again.

I've never been banned on /jp/ for reasons other than blatant rule breaking on my part: nipples on a "worksafe" board, and such and such. I've never had any issues adapting to or adopting the changing board culture. So yeah, I seriously don't know what to tell you.

Have you considered the possibility that the particular topic you'd wish to discuss on /jp/ for which you have been banned is another board's area, and you're just ignorant to it? It's the only plausible explanation I can give without insulting your intelligence.

>>17635303
>I was here when idol generals began to be a thing, and I was here when I put that shit into my filter list so I never have to look at it again. I've never had any issues adapting to or adopting the changing board culture. So yeah, I seriously don't know what to tell you.
/jp/ does look pretty good if you put on blinders, never rock the boat, and have no standards.

>>17635310
Give me one sound reason to un-filter those generals, and I'll give it a think.

>>17635314
If you have the generals filtered your idea of what /jp/ looks like is completely divorced from what /jp/ actually is and what kinds of posters you're posting with.

One of the new standards of moderation in /jp/ is to more or less to ban everyone who gets in a heated argument, which I suppose if you always thought they were autistic garbage is a good thing, but also puts a massive damper on the discussions that people are willing to invest in.
It's less getting explicitly banned and more watching hours of investment and decent topics go down the drain.

>>17635327
>idolshit
>decent topics
But hey, who am I quoting, right?

>>17635333
Way to respond to the half of the post that was not about idol generals, and competely ignore the half that was specifically about idol generals. Good job. Gold star.

I know of at least four topics so far that cannot be talked about on /jp/, and I hesitate to even name them here, but I will anyway. I'm sure there's more than these.

Real-life otaku events (going outside with people) that happen outside of Japan. The Miku concerts were a specific exception to this.

Character roleplay or anywhere that it takes place. It's safest to never acknowledge that it even exists.

Other touhou-related forums and communities outside of /jp/.

Japan in WW2, except in the context of KanColle and even then it's walking on eggshells.

>>17635416
>>Other touhou-related forums and communities outside of /jp/.
I've moaned about TH-P, ShrineMaiden and TVTropes, and bemoaned poosh's death right here on /jp/ on numerous occasions. Never got banned for it once. TH-P is pretty much an off-shoot of /jp/, even.

If this post gets deleted, I'm going to laugh really hard.

>>17635096
>Do you think lewdposting (eg. boobhu threads) is problematic?
I think it shouldn't be on /jp/ if the thread is nothing but Psuedo erping and dumping images

>>17635098
No because they don't really make sense on other boards.

>>17635416
You missed the NEET threads. Princess threads even get purged if discussion begins to drift.

>>17635416
>>17635469
This is a strange one, but when the eternal boobhu thread reaches its image limit or falls off the last page, as a plebian anon you are not allowed to start a new one yourself. Try it, it'll get deleted.

/jp/ no 七不思議

I want /jp/. to end and a board made for just doujin games and VNs translated or not. No mobile games, no Gust, no KanColle. Maybe even no Touhou and give Touhou its own NSFW board. Maybe old /jp/ can be Japanese/General again and let all the weeb topics flood in alongside idols and tea and dolls and stuff.

The doujin board (also NSFW as the worst you could do and be on topic would be CG dumping) would have
Untranslated VNs
Translated VNs
Doujin games from conventions
Games published on DLsite and the like, pornographic or not
Other games from free game sites
Maybe translated Steam games
Translation discussion
Game making discussion
Meme threads about VN companies
YN and whatever leftover discussions
No KS. That stays in /vg/ and rots.

>>17635555
Also Illusion and the like + MMD stuff would probably be disallowed to avoid the temptation to just make porn threads about shitty porn made using them.

Remove 3DPG Idolpigs.

>>17635047
I'll be honest with you. I only browse /jp/ for the Kantai Thread most the time. The other times that are when I run into the Boobhu thread and go "Oooooh, Boobs" and get sidetracks or jump into one of the million Touhou shitposts out there.
>>17635253
It's a fetish. but it's hidden on /d/. /d/ is mostly for Futa horsecocks. Either literal horse cocks or dicks that are so big you call them horsecocks. It's hentai you might not like but you still get hard to. At least that's me.

>>17635555
I'm not against the idea but I don't think you can fill 165 threads with it.

Stupid stinky janny deleted the ai-chan thread earlier, wtf? If that shit ain't otaku culture, nothing is.

>>17635587
You don't need to.

>>17635178
I love me some boobhus, but I agree that the obsession with paizuri and mating presses is incredibly annoying

>>17635555
>give Touhou its own NSFW

this needs to happen

>>17635131
>Also, if it's related to U15 in the slightest, give up now while you're ahead.
All he needs to do is portray them as singing idols. Any other idol thread has no problem posting under 18 girls in bikinis.

Which filters are you using? Need to improve the /jp/ experience.

/Gravure/i;boards:jp
/JAV/i;boards:jp
/Nutaku/i;boards:jp
/Onahole/i;boards:jp
/AKB General/i;boards:jp
/Sakamichi General/i;boards:jp
/Perfume General/i;boards:jp
/Sakura Gakuin General/i;boards:jp
/Alternative Idols/i;boards:jp
/H!P/i;boards:jp
/Stardust Idols General/i;boards:jp
/gbp/i;boards:jp
/boobhu/i;boards:jp

>>17635416
The first is normalfag /soc/ shit and anyone at any point in /jp/'s history would tell those threads to fuck off.

The second doesn't belong on 4chan.

The third only applies to shitty /jp/ spinoffs

History and politics will only lead to /pol/ or /int/ shit

>>17635327
>One of the new standards of moderation in /jp/ is to more or less to ban everyone who gets in a heated argument
This is the stupidest shit but probably lies in an inability or unwillingness to distinguish between a derailed thread and people expressing hot opinions about the topic.

>>17635253
Lewd threads always devolve into some fetish like breast expansion or fattening or oppai loli or gigantism/crushing/foot fetish or larger than body boobs

Stop trying to come up with ""good ideas"" to ""fix"" /jp/

Every time you do this you just cause more problems

The vocal should be ignored

>>17635854

>>17635926
I feel too sorry for you not to help you.
There's a thing called regular expressions. Just put "/(general|g\/)/i" without the quotes and see what it does.

>>17635943
I don't actually normally want to filter all generals. The word "general" probably ended up in there out of fury at the recent rapid fracturing of the idol threads into a bunch of baby threads.

>>17635960
You can whitelist threads by moving them up the list.
No amount of filtering will help vg though.

We need more FLAN threads, 2 nights ago there wasn't a 2 AM thread seriously the fuck was that

>>17636009
The Flan needs sleep too.

>>17635131
/jpg/ would be awful. Just ask for /id/ for idol shit if it bothers you that much.

>>17636018
Not even a NOT 2 AM thread or reply, how the hell would I shitpost about that if there wasnt a thread

>>17635327
I've never been banned for arguing, even if I've had posts deleted. Mods seem to mostly target topics that are often associated with shitposting, anyway.

>>17636039
Flan was visiting Mugetsu's thread.

>>17635426
TVTropes really doesn't count as a Touhou community.
They barely even count as secondaries.

>problematic
get triggered, fuccbois.

/jp/ - just paizuri

Turns out filters are garbage after all. It's impossible to make a single ultimate general filter because it does not search into the truncated portion of long ops, and there's still no option to search all fields from index/thread view nor to import catalog filters to them. Adding a first-line filter for "edition" helps but I want a perfect filter.

>>17635047
Asking for translations and travel recommendations should get you banned.

Would it be remiss to ask for G5's enforcement to lighten up a little on /jp/? Or at least get an actual meaning behind "work safe?"

When do we get a nsfw otaku culture board?

Then we could talk about futa as honestly as people are talking about onaholes.

>>17636854
/trash/

>>17636822
Asking for translations of /jp/-relevant material should be encouraged on /jp/, because it can create discussion and interest in little-known topics.

I really do not like JAV or onahole threads, my friends

>>17636072
official touhou manga series scanlated by touhou: 0.962
official touhou manga series scanlated by /jp/: 0

>>17635891
/soc/ is a completely unusable board, and intentionally kept that way, so sending threads and topics there is practically the same as banning them or putting them in /trash/. I could see a case for keeping some of the irl otaku stuff on /cgl/ instead, except that it isn't necessarily related to cosplay. In any case, they are something that is relevant and we need somewhere to discuss them.
Also, not /jp/'s problem but /soc/ needs to be deleted, or at the very least made worksafe and self-doxing absolutely forbidden, so it'll stop spreading venereal diseases and coalburning.

Roleplay happens on 4chan and doesn't necessarily get punished if it's not named. But the moment you tell them "If you're gonna roleplay, why not go to _____ and do it there" you're get a warn or ban.

Yeah, mentioning other touhou places seems to be okay if you're complaining and talking shit about them, but if you say anything positive then you're getting whacked for "spam/advertising".

>>17636930
/trash/ is a furry board now. Go look at it. Everyone that's posting there needs a permaban. That's not /jp/'s problem though.

>>17637251
It's not on the topic, but /cgl/ is generally considered "the con board."

RP is banned everywhere on 4chan outside trash and maybe /qst/, if the mods see you doing it. I can see an argument that discussing roleplay communities should be allowed as long as nobody actually engages in it.

A 2D/Random board would suck up most of the "shitty" threads on /a/ /jp/ and similar while still giving back a potential great board to lurk for 4chan

>>17636854
Why not /bant/?

>>17635047
I suggest taking it easy and leaving it at that. Overmoderation only leads to problems, who should decide what kind of content is allowed in a board is its own population as a whole.
Also, bring back visible sage.

>>17636163
Then just manually filter the threads you dislike. /jp/ is a slow board after all, you won't need to filter the new threads for those for at least a few days.
>>17637568
Great idea, let's all move to /b/ with flags.

>>17638064
I've been here since /b/ was the random japanese stuff board. /b/ with flags is more or less the ideal. People shitposting anime have taken over /qa/, /bant/, and /s4s/. I don't know why people still want /jp/ in specific to be 2D/Random.

Besides that, Japan is international and random is random. There aren't that many topics in /jp/ that aren't Touhou or Idol threads so /bant/ has more than enough room to hold whatever the fuck topic people want in a 2D/Random board while not really being encouraged to make idol threads, which is really what people want gone when they say they want 2D/Random.

teenbro thread
4/jp/ died in the great janny wars

>>17638545
When was that? The last autism burst that killed the W where people were hiding cat images in random pictures thinking the janitor would subliminally become mad when they were posted? Or was it spamming random black people against the so-called "NSJ"?

>>17638549
teenbro

(I'm ignoring generals because I see them as isolated communities)
As others have hinted at, I think /jp/'s current identity is to be the "serious" Japanese board with some image dump threads contributing filler.
Other boards have stepped up to do silly stuff with the content. It's not to say that there isn't serious stuff on /qa/, [s4s] or /bant/ - nor is /jp/ void of humor - but it seems like over time there's been a mindset that "I'm going to be stupid or silly, so I'm going to do it on another board so I don't get banned" has gained traction. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to interpretation.

>>17639346
>(I'm ignoring generals because I see them as isolated communities)
Which don't belong here.

>>17635047
It's been 10 years but i'm concerned I don't really get /jp/ outside of touhou spam

>>17643212
A wise man knows that he knows nothing

>>17638121
>"I'm going to be stupid or silly, so I'm going to do it on another board so I don't get banned"
Personally, I like /jp/ specifically because I find modern anime shitposting dull. As for those boards, I don't even care about them enough to find out what their differences in board culture might be. Well, maybe just a little, since I like to collect useless information anyway.