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Archer is from modern times.

But what about Shirou?

i summon youre mom as rider lol!

>modern Servants

Archer.

The thing about heroic spirits is they have to have a level of mysticism about them. They become living (deceased) divine mysteries, and transcend humanity.

In our times, heroes are never looked at as anything more than human. Everything they do is explainable. Everything they use is mass-produced and mundane. None of their actions can defy things on a grand scale.

So no new heroes.

You are so fucked...

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>>1762522
He made a contract with the world. Otherwise, he probably would've faded into obscurity.

>>1762522
>>1762524
>>1762526

What about Servants that AREN'T from the Future, then?

Actually, hell, MORE from the future.

Darth Vader as a Saber go.

>>1762525
>I summon your mom as a rider loli!

>>1762537
Star Wars took place in the past, though.

>>1762529

>Everything they do is explainable. Everything they use is mass-produced and mundane. None of their actions can defy things on a grand scale.

You have not seen Rambo.

Cyclops as Rider

Didn't I recall reading somewhere that although it is theoretically possible to summon a hero from any time frame, it is (generally) impossible to summon one from the future because artifacts/knowledge/whatever of them don't exist yet?

>>1762543

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity

Depends on how far away it is.

It might not have happened yet, hell it might be going on right now.

>>1762552

Uh wait I don't think that was the article I wanted to link to.

Let me search for it.

Fine, I summon the winner of the this and the next war.

>>1762529

Fine. Why not heroes from our stories that DO have mysticism, then?

ARAGORN AS SABER, LEGOLAS AS ARCHER, GIMLI AS BERSERKER OH MY GOD

>>1762573
Gollum as assassin.

>>1762567

Gollum as Anonymous

Humans are weak.

Weak with weak guts.

>>1762574
HK-47 as Assassin.

50 Cent as Saber.

>>1762544
I've seen all but the newer one.

It doesn't change anything. Rambo didn't have a magic knife or a magic machine gun. He was too documented to be legendary. Everyone knew he was a normal human being, albeit special forces. There was nothing about him that approached being a divine mystery.

In an era with immediate connectivity and cultural disassociation with magic and the occult, it's just not likely.

>>1762552
>>1762559

Wait a second, nevermind.

Relativity would mean that it happened even FURTHER in the past so fuck it.

>>1762574
HAL 9000 as caster.

>>1762578

HARRY POTTER AS CASTER

OH SHI-

>>1762578
>all but the newer one

Don't bother, it sucks.

Also, Doomguy as Berserker.

Do they have to be "heroes", or just beings of myth?

SANTA CLAUS AS A RIDER FUCK YEAH

Tarzan as Shirou

I summon you!

>>1762610

Black Berserker gets a damage bonus against dragons, though.

>>1762602
Has to be some element of truth and form. Assassin wasn't Kojiro, but he could do Tsubame Gaeshi.

Do you really need to ask?

How much bullshit can you make up if you can convince a large enough group?

If I convince everyone in the world that Rambo was an immortal god, and it becomes a legend for all time, if he gets summoned as a servant will he be an immortal god as a servant?

>>1762602

Noble Phantasm Assault!
"Now!
On, Dasher! On, Dancer! On Prancer, and Vixen!
On, Comet! On, Cupid! On, Donner and Blixem!
To the top of the porch! To the top of the wall!
Now dash away, dash away, dash away all!"

>>1762632

So he retreats?

>>1762617

>Has to be some element of truth and form

Medusa was real?

Saint Nicholas was more real than Medusa.

>>1762627
Everyone knows Rambo is a fictional character, so good luck with that.

>>1762636

No, he runs you the fuck over.

And god help you if he summons Rudolph to guide his sleigh tonight.

>>1762637
Fate universe = real magic.

It's not ours. Medusa was real in it.

Enough people believed that Medusa was real.

>>1762644
Oh.

Then Jesus was real eh?

>>1762644

Well Saint Nicholas the Wonderworker of Myra was real, and all the Saints have mysticism on them, so SANTA CLAUS RIDER IS A DEFINITE POSSIBILITY FUCK YEAR

Japanese Hero "Tadano Hitoshi" [0:43- ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBd-S0B-xK4

My servant would win by explaining why your servants don't exist, and watching them go POOF!

>>1762653
That's definitely a possibility. But it's unlike that the Santa Claus of present years would come out, as the original "Santa Claus" had no truth in that shit.

>>1762652
Full gods can't be summoned. Humans with some divinity, yes. But not fully divine beings.

You know what happened when they tried to summon the god Angra Manyu? They got a worthless servant that fucked everything up.

Reimu summoned as a Caster.

Spirit Sign ["Fantasy Seal ~Blink~"]

>>1762652
There was a historical cult leader named Jesus. His fame would give him some power as a servant, but he'd really only wield incredible charisma.

>>1762668

12 Noble Phantasms - Apostles of The Lord.

Judas would be a Suicide Bomber, of course.

Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John have to be a 4-in-1 that could only be used in that order.

He would also have a one-time use Resurrection Phantasm.

>>1762668
S+ Charisma.

Capable of swaying other servants of the same alignment to stop fighting, unless a command seal is used.

Even then enemy servants will hold back, which would be enough to let him get away if he so wished.

While modern weapons are powerful, those people who use modern weapons mainly are somewhat difficult to be put in the Heroic Spirit category. The greatest advantage of modern weapons is that "anyone can use them with the right training". But see, the thing behind that is that because of that, it's hard for them to become "one sole existence". These are what people call faceless heroes. If there is a hero that has on him modern weapons, what's going to be treated as the Heroic Spirit isn't the owner, an expert that anyone can become by training, but the "most excellent weapon of that era" itself. The weapon itself would have to have a soul however.

Fine, I'd have a tentacle-monster as a servant, and win by raping your servants to death.

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>>1762680

So Barack Obama is actually Jesus brought back to life as a Servant?
OH SHI-

>>1762687

But rape gives them mana! You must target the masters instead! And it won't be effective against Shirou because he doesn't know what sex is.

My servant.

>>1762693

WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S SO POWERFUL?

>>1762694
Won't it drain the servants of mana?

I'd figure it'd be made to do that, instead of give mana to them.

>>1762695

That would be a Phantasm.

Your Servant would have to be Truman or Einstein.

>>1762585
HAL 9000 is the grail.

>>1762700
Na, I just have a nuke as my servant.

>>1762709

Wouldn't work, unless it was a special remembered one.

So your only options are Little Boy, Fat Man, Castle Bravo, and Tsar Bomba.

I'm going to guess you're taking Tsar Bomba.

But really, it's inanimate. It would be the Noble Phantasm of your Servant who it is linked to. Probably going to be Einstein summoned as a Caster.

Besides, what would a nuke get summoned under?
... Berserker?

Here's my servant:
*grabs dick*

My nuke-servant would be called "Hiroshima-BOOM!"

>>1762719
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

You could give yourself mana.

>>1762718
The pilot would be summoned as rider.

>>1762722

That would be Little Boy.

But I still don't think you're getting this.

>>1762728

WHO WOULD SUMMON SLIM PICKENS?

>>1762731
Oh, I am. You're not getting me.

Well, as in servants in terms of slaves or whatever. I'd like to think that there are always the servant kind among human hierarchy. In the ancient times there was slavery and now there's sort of like underpaid worker and people in less fortunate countries. They are all part of same natural continuum. It's basically like as the human cultural evolution proceeds and society evolves the things become different but the the basic primal structure maintains itself. Kind of like in comparison to biological evolution, very different species develop similar qualities due the nature of events, even thought there can be millions of years in between of such events and no direct genetic link.

>>1762724
Only by fucking yourself in the ass

>>1762777

You haven't played Fate/Stay Night.

"Servants" far, far, FAR exceed their "Masters" in terms of power.
In fact, they're among the strongest things on the planet.
(Though the strongest thing on the planet came from a different planet.)

They're heroes, like King Arthur and Beowulf and Odysseus and Hercules and Leonidas and Luke Skywalker and Miyamoto Musashi and Lenin and so on.

>>1762786
grand wizard caster

>>1762789

Then how come Shirou can still defeat them?

>>1762795
And Shiki?

>>1762789
strongest thing in the solar system is seen every day, but it isn't on earth.

type-sol, always the center of attention.

>>1762801
In all likelyhood, in Nasuverse the sun is probably a giant ley line connected to the root.

Pygmy hippo. The moe~ is unconquerable.

>>1762795

You haven't played Fate/Stay Night still?

Shirou is a Servant, lol

>>1762795
Fate/UBW- Excalibur's sheath & Saber.
Heaven's Feel - Arm transplant.

>>1762789
That is peculiar. If one assumes that the human sociological structures are all slightly varied takes on the same pattern, would it be safe to say that these servants are the culmination of it. The culmination of social evolution and thus the culminations of human psyche. The contradiction is that while human cultural evolution plunges onward at top speed the genetic evolution has profoundly stopped within the species. In modern days there are no really heroic figures but rather myth of those. Or could it be that the collective human culture actually unconsciously enforces some kind of genetic development. As for the planet thing, I think it scientifically safe to say that life on earth started due interplanetary collision.

>>1762812
Moe doesn't exist in 3D.

>>1762833

Neither does F:S/N servants.

>>1762833
I'm pretty moe myself.

>>1762812
That is so cute :3

Then again, it is probably highly mean-spirited as all cute animals.

>>1762695
What sort of alignment would Oppenheimer have?

>>1762832

You really, really haven't played Fate/Stay Night.

The strongest being on Earth is from Mercury, not due to Giant Impact.

It came here to kill everybody, but for some reason it decided "Eh, everybody doesn't need to die now, so I'll kill them in 5000 years" and then went to sleep.

It has nothing to do with human evolution.

>In modern days there are no really heroic figures but rather myth of those

Well it's always been like that.
Beowulf and King Arthur have no confirmed basis in history.
They were stories people told, just like modern day we have Lord of the Rings and Star Wars and Superman and the like.

>>1762855

ORT isn't in Fate and STOP TALKING ABOUT ORT THAT IS LIKE THE NINTH TIME IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP THIS MONTH

>>1762856

I CAN'T HELP IT I LIKE ORT

>>1762855
This is what ORT looks like.

Summoning Ranka, the hero of Macross frontier!

>>1762855
So, it's basically like Cthuzlchulcu, right?

In modern days the evolution really does not cut it, but let's say back in the dawn of mankind human species still had these evolutionarily superiour people coming up. One could say that such thing was to in motion even during middle ages and other such times.

Anyhow, back in the ancient times. Must have been so boring.

>>1762876

>So, it's basically like Cthuzlchulcu, right?

Okay that is the weirdest way I have ever seen that-which-is-pronounced-"Katooloo" spelled.

But yes, ORT does have a similarity to Cthulhu as the "ancient alien unkillable thing that will end the world when it feels like it", but Cthulhu is actually weaker in that it's heavily implied there are things much, much stronger than him on Earth when ORT is very clearly the World Breaker.

>Anyhow, back in the ancient times. Must have been so boring.

Well you'd probably spend a lot of time being a farmer or something lame like that, so yeah.
But then, you also died at 30 so you don't have to worry about a mid-life crisis.

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>>1762855
Where's everyone getting all these facts about ORT?

>>1762896

This pic and >>1762855 are the most solid sources.

But I suppose I should clarify that ORT is only "the strongest" confirmed PHYSICALLY. It doesn't have any known spells or even ranged weaponry.
But those blades of its are considered instant-kill in every dimension and will cut absolutely anything.
(Since Angel Notes tells us Types exist in other dimensions simultaneously.)

>>1762896

Their asses.

>>1762892
This ORT, I don't know him, but I'd say Katooloo is not such destroyer but rather a dweller and oppressor. He is not the only great thing in the galaxy and other dimension, but he certainly is hinted to be at evil top 3 of the entire existence.

>>1762911
Also, just because someone will bring it up eventually, ORT is immune to the mystic eyes of death perception/instant death/whatever else you want to call it.

>>1762916

>but he certainly is hinted to be at evil top 3 of the entire existence.

WHAT?!

YOU DO NOT KNOW LOVECRAFT MY FRIEND.

Cthulhu is an entire REALM OF EXISTENCE below the Outer Gods.

Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep, Shub-Niggurath; they all put "The Great Cthulhu" to shame.

>>1762932
Cthulhu is a wizard, anyway.

>>1762932
Well, I would not say so. Some these gods, they are rather elementals than actual beings. Like Azathoth, merely a whirling mass of chaos rather than actual being.

Also, lol, claim that Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath are above Cthulhu? No fucking way. Seriously.
Yog-Sothoth maybe, in some fields of intrest. I mean, she could fairly dual Cthulhu unlike the others.

>>1762949

Yog-Sothoth is "all of the above".

Literally.

Everything above this statement is Yog-Sothoth.

Technically, everything below, too. And the statement itself.

>>1762953

>Well, I would not say so. Some these gods, they are rather elementals than actual beings.

Well you'd be wrong.

>Like Azathoth, merely a whirling mass of chaos rather than actual being.

An OMNIPOTENT whirling mass of chaos.
Omnipotence can look like whatever the fuck it wants.

>Also, lol, claim that Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath are above Cthulhu? No fucking way. Seriously.

Again, you'd be wrong.
Nyarlathotep is probably third to Yog and Aza.

Cthulhu is pretty low-tier among the Lovecraft horde; he's just one of the most interesting.

Just the fact that Cthulhu exists as a "Great Old One" puts him below every single Outer God.

Even the nameless pipers of Azathoth's court.

Hell, Cthulhu isn't even the strongest Great Old One: Hastur matches him.

>>1762911
Whaddaya mean physically. Where does it say physically.

>>1762975

No idea.

Nasu just said so, that nothing can match ORT in a battle.

It's left at that. Even though some things could KILL ORT (Slash Emperor, Ea, etc.), nothing can defeat it before it defeats you.

>>1762980
See? This is more stuff that's being made up.
What's said is that ORT is the strongest by pure power.

>>1762980

What if That Guy stood at the other end of the universe and let Slash Emperor grow to the size of the universe and then slashed ORT?

Azathoth is definitely the worst. Considering how far from humans the great old ones are, he's the one the great old ones call the great old one.

>>1762980
See? This is more stuff that's being made up.
What's said is that ORT is the most powerful by pure power.

>>1762966
Look, Nyarlathotep is a pussy. It's strongly hinted that he is merely earth specific "god". He is not really a god but a being like Cthulhu, anyhow. It is also pointed out that Cthulhu is way more powerful and hostile.

Everyone knows that Shub is crap. Lesser being, not really a god or even that powerful.

As for Yog, it appears that he is not really such physical being that has effect on physical world. Definitely way different line of existence than Cthulhu or just does not give a heck.

>>1762980
I could beat ORT and i'm just a normal human.

All I gotta do is punch em.
Real hard.

>>1762990

Well that depends on ORT's status of ranged weaponry.

But that not "fighting" ORT.

>>1762991

And we take that to mean physical power, then.

Since it doesn't mention any mystic skills other than Crystal Valley (which seems more of a subconscious thing) and it doesn't have any obvious weapons other than the fact that its very "skin" is described as the sharpest thing in existence, we only know that it can attack by slashing.
Thereby, it can only be the confirmed strongest physically.
It can be determined that it can attack parallel dimensions because the Types/Aristotles exist in multiple dimensions as confirmed by Angel Notes.

So, as confirmation, we only KNOW it is the strongest physically and nothing can kill it in basic combat.

Can Jackie Chan be summoned as a servant?

>>1762998

>Look, Nyarlathotep is a pussy. It's strongly hinted that he is merely earth specific "god".

WHAT? HIS LITERAL DESCRIPTION IS THE SOUL OF THE UNIVERSE'S TRUE FORM.
GOD DAMN, YOU ARE HIGH.

>He is not really a god but a being like Cthulhu,

... No, he isn't! He's far, far, far, far, FAR beyond Cthulhu! Calling Nyarlathotep a Great Old One is just WRONG!

>anyhow. It is also pointed out that Cthulhu is way more powerful and hostile.

More powerful no. Hostile yes. Cthulhu was never described as truly powerful, even among Great Old Ones.

So by "fighting" we mean as if Bazette challenged it to a boxing match, not Yukari gapping a nuke into its stomach?

>>1763003
Yeah, but when you put it like physical power it makes it sound like it's limited to just melee.

Pure power encompasses everything.

>>1763025

Well, the only thing we know ORT HAS is Melee and Crystal Valley.

>>1763027
Why do you turn that to just melee? That's retarded.
When it says pure power, that sounds more like firepower. -> Ranged

>>1763014
Compared to Azathoth, Nyarlathotep is just a passing thought.

>>1763033

Compared to Azathoth, nothing but Yog-Sothoth is a fleeting thought.

>>1763014
Well, everything else is debatable except that Cthulhu is not powerful and that Shub is crap. I mean, seriously, Shubbie is weak and does not have any real capabilities, other than monstrous size and the tree children.

Nyarlathotep is probably on a par with Cthulhu in terms of power but he gets too much rep because every other being worships him.

Cock punch ORT to death.

It's the only way to be sure.

>>1763030

Well it's just not confirmed.
It gave no mention of any form of ranged attack at all.
I mean, it would be fucking STUPID for it to lack one (I mean Type-Saturn was decked out with "guns"), but due to the fact that discussions can only work with confirmed material, it's a consequence to not throw it in.

Personally, I think it has some form of giant laser beams.

>>1763039

But ORT is female. Supposedly.

>>1763037

Nyarly is way above big C.
Nyarly has, beyond his lol-form-changing, the power to shift reality and the inability to die.
Cthulhu can be killed; it's just that Great Old Ones are still "alive" even when dead. Nyarly doesn't even get that; it's utterly impossible to get him to stop working.

Shubby... whatever. Shub is an Outer God, and it thereby is above Cthulhu.

>>1763044
It didn't give any mention of any melee attack at all, but that's being treated like a fact.

Just treat it like the most powerful thing in terms of destruction. Any further discussion on it is stupid.

>>1763046
Cunt punt then.

It's the TRUE only way to be sure.

>>1763064

>It didn't give any mention of any melee attack at all, but that's being treated like a fact.

Due to the fact that its "skin" is sharp, we can assume it can at least rush you and you get cut.

>Just treat it like the most powerful thing in terms of destruction. Any further discussion on it is stupid.

Like that stops Type-Moon fans ever.

>>1763044
Uh huh, it didn't give any mention of any melee attack at all, but that's being treated like a fact and the only thing that guy can do other than Crystal Valley.

You don't call something like that the most powerful being on Earth by pure power unless it can do more than that.

Just treat it like the most powerful thing in destructive power. Any further discussion on specifics is stupid.

If ORT didn't have any ranged attacks, I don't think people would have that much trouble with it. Just dump lots of nukes on it. It can't attack you right?

>>1763083

>Uh huh, it didn't give any mention of any melee attack at all, but that's being treated like a fact and the only thing that guy can do other than Crystal Valley.

It can move, right?
Then it can melee.
A body rush is a melee attack.
A TAP is a melee attack.
If it can even move at all, it can manage a melee attack.

And since it didn't list any other method of attack...

>You don't call something like that the most powerful being on Earth by pure power unless it can do more than that.

Sure you can.

>>1763089

Nobody knows how fast it moves.

Also, nukes probably wouldn't stop it.

And its UFO mode can almost certainly fly.

And again, we just don't KNOW if it has ranged.

I would THINK it does, since Type-Saturn was chock full of LASER RAIN.

>>1763092
What are you nuts? It's supposed to have enough power to singlehandedly erradicate everybody on the planet. If you're just invulnerable and only have melee attacks and just 40 meters big, you're not going to be able to do that.
Hell, even big Avenger can't outdo this guy in speed.

What are you nuts? It's supposed to have enough power to singlehandedly erradicate everybody on the planet. If you're just invulnerable and only have melee attacks and just 40 meters big, you're not going to be able to do that.
Hell, even big Avenger and humans throwing around nukes can't outdo this guy in speed.

>>1763106

>What are you nuts? It's supposed to have enough power to singlehandedly erradicate everybody on the planet. If you're just invulnerable and only have melee attacks and just 40 meters big, you're not going to be able to do that.

Oh yes you can.

Nothing can hide from you, to be sure.
No armor could withstand your melee attacks, no buildings, nothing.
And who knows how fast ORT is? If it could move at, say, interstellar speeds with its UFO mode, it could destroy Earth with 1 pass through.

>>1763112
You live underground, in caves, in mountains, etc.

And where do you get the idea it's superfast? It's supposed to be the sort of monster that Ultraman fights.

>>1763112
You live underground, in caves, in mountains, etc.
Yeah, sure it could be superfast. But if you put it like that, it could also have ranged weapons.

And honestly, it makes more sense for it to have ranged weapons than be super fast.

It's supposed to be the sort of monster that Ultraman fights. Watch an episode and see what kind of damage those monsters dish out.

>>1763128

>You live underground, in caves, in mountains, etc.

It digs through and annihilates the mountains and land itself to make sure you are dead.

>Yeah, sure it could be superfast. But if you put it like that, it could also have ranged weapons.

I was just saying that because it's implicated that a UFO mode would be used for interstellar travel. And interstellar travel would have to be absurdly fast. Unless it drifts, which it may.

Besides, who says it NEEDS ranged weapons? It could be so damned fast that it can clear any distance in an instant.
Both are equally baseless.

Does it matter whether it shoots things or rushes them? It can kill everything, regardless of its methods.

>>1763145
Maybe it just digs a big tunnel inside of the planet and let's it cave in on it's own weight. Those claws seem to be sort of mole-like.

>>1763145
It's plain absurd to get a "on a totally different dimension level" for melee.
But whatever.

Look at the pictures themselves. There's some energy being projected from the tentacles.

>>1763163

Well, supposedly it's doing something similar with Crystal Valley.

It's slowly turning Earth into a bigger Mercury.

>>1763174

Not much to be said about that.

The blue fire could indeed be projected as a weapon.

If you look on its "Beast Form", there are five spots that could project energy as well.

>>1763189
Or, it could be burning methane.

Saber here

King Kong as berserker.

Though it isn't Modern Day, I bet Merlin summoned as a Caster would fuck King Arthur's shit up.

Can animals be Servants? I'd pick Voytek the War Bear. Only this time around he'd be lugging around a machinegun.

Tesla as caster.

>>1763593
fuck year voytek

Jar Jar Binks as Lancer

>>1762859


Ort is actually an alien loli?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUU-

Can ADA become a servant?