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>>17490781
most likely bullets fashioned after the real world objects.

What's the best way to get into all the touhou lore?

>>17490946
Play the games and read the dialogue, even on easy mode if you're struggling. That covers most of the lore (if you clear on each character). The next phase is to read the official mangas. The touhou wiki is pretty good to fill in blanks if you miss parts of the lore.

>>17490946
It's a bit old, but this lists everything in chronological order. There's also a timeline on the wiki that's more detailed.

>>17491149
Everything up until June, I mean. I think the only things that came out since then were a couple of FS/VFiS issues and TH16

>>17490781
It's often the actual object - Sakuya uses real knives, Kogasa uses real umbrellas, etc.

>>17490781
The actual object, this is made clear in works like Grimoire of Marisa, fighting games, and other materials.
Which, funny enough, means that Wriggle is literally throwing bugs at you, while Nazrin's iconic line of bullets non-spell pattern is meant to be a hoard of rats being flung at you.

>>17491420
>Nazrin's iconic line of bullets
I don't think that's really implied. But otherwise sure.

>>17491420
Aya and Hatate also remark on Kogasa throwing umbrellas, Minoriko's rice and taters, and Sizuha kicking trees to drop leaves.

Everything in a duel counts as danmaku

>>17490781
Yep. Real. Like how Seiga throws dead fetuses at you.

>>17491714
>Everything in a duel counts as danmaku
even other 2hus counts as danmaku like chen or ran

>>17490781
Nitori throws literal ass juice at you.

Can one do danmaku battle with a gun?

>>17491999
Reisen already did it, so yes.

>>17492067
No no, by "gun" i meant m61 vulcan not that trumpet cannon nor "hand"gun

Are there any superstitions or routines/habits that you usually do when playing?

How do you maintain the will to keep going after a goal for months?

>>17492137
sumireko have a 3d printed one if that count

>>17492187
>Are there any superstitions or routines/habits that you usually do when playing
playing stage practice or anything on normal/hard as a warm up helps a lot to get in the mood and do better in lunatic or just in general, same as always putting my pepsi's can in the left side of the desk

>How do you maintain the will to keep going after a goal for months?
by doing other stuff, other games or just anything to give time to my brain to process all the info from previous attemps

>>17492230
she will also throw anything at you that isn't nailed down (and then some) with her PK inspired danmaku.

What program did ZUN use to draw for Touhou 6-9? I'm aware I sound like a brainlet but I need answers if there are any

>>17492679
it's a thing called paper

>>17492869
So what, did he scan the drawings onto the computer?

>>17492304
Spell card- "Half brick in a sock" when

Do you do more damage the closer you are to an enemy?

>>17493044
yes

>>17491149
Can I skip the fighting games?
They suck ass

>>17495733
ULiL is good

But yeah you're not missing a ton

>>17495226
Sort of. It depends on the shot, most have a spread, and if you're at the bottom of the screen only some of the shots will hit. Focus usually concentrates the shots.

Forward laser shots don't have a spread obviously. Sanae B from UFO has a huge difference in damage when close up.

>>17495733
Yes you can skip them. ZUN doesn't make them anyway, aside from music and character design and maybe some other slight meddling besides.

>>17495733
They're actually relevant to the overall story (at least as much as the other games), but I agree they're not worth playing. I'd say just read the translations.

>>17495733
You should at least read the plot, I know what you mean since I don't like the gameplay myself but the plot is important

>>17495756
I think he was talking about concentrated shots, like when you're closer the distance is shorter so there's more damage per second or something.

>>17495838
Sure, if you're moving closer you'll do more damage while you're moving closer. It's the doppler effect.

>>17495756
ZUN writes the story, you idiot.

>>17495964
Forgot to mention that oops

>>17492187
>How do you maintain the will to keep going after a goal for months?
I don't play Touhou religiously. I found that spellcard routes and patterns ingrain forever, so while I may play Touhou for only 10 hours a month I feel that those 10 hours are better at reaching a 1cc than 10 hours a week. It also helps to prevent me from getting burned out as I only play when I really feel like it.

Would it be feasible to do a no focus LNN of LoLK at all?

Which 2hu has the prettiest danmaku?

>>17496132
Alice or Kaguya

>>17495733
The storylines are fun, at least watch playthroughs. Don't miss out on Tenko.

>>17496127
Probably not. I recall some of Junko's cards need you moving very precisely.

>>17495733
IaMP introduces a major character.
Hisoutensoku gives Sanae much needed character development.
HM is the conclusion to the arc from 10 - 13, but it is also an awful conclusion.
ULiL sets up the events of LoLK.
They are all written by ZUN and contain good characterization moments for 2hus.

>>17496132
You're waifu.

>>17496385
>>HM is the conclusion to the arc from 10 - 13, but it is also an awful conclusion.
At least Kokoro is nice. And don't forget SWR, which has a whole lot to it.

Soku is actually not that important, even for Sanny.

>>17496404
Honestly I can't think of any lasting repercussions SWR had.
It was a good story, sure, but it's not part of an arc, sets nothing up, and the newhus become more or less forgotten fairly quickly, unlike Suika.
I'd argue that even Soku has more story relevance. At least it gave Sanae character development and maybe resulted in her new shot in TD.

>>17496439
I don't think there's anything wrong with it not having lasting repercussions. At its core, Touhou's SUPPOSED to be about standalone stories.

>>17496385
>IaMP introduces a major character.
Suika doesn't do shit

>>17490781
Is it "Chang'e" or "Jouga"? Which is the correct spelling?
What's Kaguya's deal? i could never get a read on her personality even after reading the print works.
What's the difference between the Reality-Fantasy Barrier and the Hakurei Barrier and why is Yukari apparently capable of maintaning the former but said by Yuyuko (Who's supposed to be secretly super keen on stuff) to be uncapable of maintaning the latter?
I don't get it, what even is a god in Touhou? Some gods are portrayed as basically being powerful Youkai who gather faith instead of instilling fear, others are shown to basically be creatures who represent some aspect of nature while others are portrayed as being powerful beings who have existed long before any life existed on Earth itself.
Technically not related to Touhou itself, but are there any signs of a Miko Fumo being made? Miko is my favorite character and i think Fumos are cute.

>>17496512
She's nonetheless major. Most characters don't do shit, even Yukari (though lately she's showed up again a bit)

>>17496512
She served as a support character throughout all of SA, that's far more than you can say for 90% of the cast.

>>17496570
>Is it "Chang'e" or "Jouga"? Which is the correct spelling?
"Chang'e" is what that particular Chinese goddess is called in English, and "Jouga" in Japanese. Technically Jouga is the correct one since that's what ZUN refers to her as, but Chang'e was what was used for the English translation and it stuck.
>What's Kaguya's deal?
She's a shit and IN is overrated.
>What's the difference between the Reality-Fantasy Barrier and the Hakurei Barrier
I'm pretty sure those are just two names for the same thing.
>and why is Yukari apparently capable of maintaning the former but said by Yuyuko to be uncapable of maintaning the latter?
I don't remember this at all.
>I don't get it, what even is a god in Touhou?
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/God
>Miko is my favorite character
Good taste.

>>17496570
>Is it "Chang'e" or "Jouga"? Which is the correct spelling?
Honestly I don't know how this shit goes but it's pronounced Jouga, so I dunno why it's spelled Chang'e. I think it's cause it's Chinese, and Chinese romanization is fucking retarded.

>What's Kaguya's deal? i could never get a read on her personality even after reading the print works.
She does what she wants to do. She wanted to live forever, she wanted to connect with Gensokyo, she wants to fuck with Mokou, she wanted to screw with various suitors. She's fairly wise and knows Eirin better than Eirin knows herself. She's also kinder than Eirin, who's kind of a cold bitch. Kaguya is a different shade of bitch.

>What's the difference between the Reality-Fantasy Barrier and the Hakurei Barrier and why is Yukari apparently capable of maintaning the former but said by Yuyuko (Who's supposed to be secretly super keen on stuff) to be uncapable of maintaning the latter?
I don't know about this at all. My guess would be that Yukari/Maribel is all about dreams vs reality so that would explain why she can mess with reality/fantasy? The Hakurei Barrier is maintained by "common sense". I thought Yukari could influence it though. Source?

>I don't get it, what even is a god in Touhou? Some gods are portrayed as basically being powerful Youkai who gather faith instead of instilling fear, others are shown to basically be creatures who represent some aspect of nature while others are portrayed as being powerful beings who have existed long before any life existed on Earth itself.
It's mostly based in Shintoism, so basically "gods are fucking everywhere, man". Gods of rocks, gods of nature, plain ol gods. I think there's a term? Myriad Gods.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yaoyorozu_no_Kami
Any faith-based being is a god, but there are also other types of gods in Gensokyo because Gensokyo accepts anything "forgotten". Most gods shouldn't be about fear. In fact, none of the ones in Touhou are right now, although Hina is NOT faith-based, but...curse-based, I think? There's at least one that's supposed to be the "creator", the Dragon God.

>>17496697
You'd be better off linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kami for that penultimate question.

>>17496570
>are there any signs of a Miko Fumo being made?
Never ever.

>What's the difference between the Reality-Fantasy Barrier and the Hakurei Barrier
They're the same thing. Yukari doesn't actually maintain the border, that's Reimu's deal. Yukari just kind of has a lot of influence over it, considering borders are her deal.

>I don't get it, what even is a god in Touhou?
It's a Shinto thing. Long story short, "god" in Shinto describes a vast array of spirits that embody or represent various objects, ideas, or locations. Some "kami" are close to what we would consider actual gods (like Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi), while some are just spirits that watch over your house or that really old tree in your backyard.

>What's Kaguya's deal?
Well, I suppose she's a fair bit laid back, despite being a princess. She's easily bored, a little mischievous, pretty powerful, and easily the most human friendly of the Eientei group (aside from maybe Tewi.) She still has the typical air of superiority that the other Lunarians have, but she doesn't seem to be as bad about it. It's kind of hard to get a much better reading on her, thanks to her low number of appearances. That's just the read on her I got, I'd have to reread her stuff to see if that's right.

>>17496570
The original Reality-Fantasy border is at least 500 years old and set up the conditions for Youkai existence, but didn't separate Gensokyo from the rest of the world.
But even with the original border, the humans scientific progress and mental state still threatened the paradigm that made Youkai possible.
The Great Hakurei Barrier is a reinforcement of the original barrier, and also establishes a warped space around Gensokyo which acts as a wall against the Outside.

>>17496756
I thought the event that happened 500 years ago was simply the establishment of what would become Gensokyo as a youkai territory, and had nothing to do with barriers?

>>17496756
I think you're misinterpreting some details there.

Lunarian technology is in reality a mix between a more advanced tech (relative to the outside world) plus divine mysticism, right?

>>17498690
I think nobody knows, it's unclear

What the fuck are spellcards?

>>17500033
Read the lore.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Reimu_Hakurei
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Draft_of_Spell_Card_Rules

>>17496570
>Miko Fumo
Do NOT degrade the Crown Prince.

>>17500146
Miko is a guy?

>>17500148
Duh. He's literally Prince Shoutoku.

>>17492679
He drew on paper then scanned and coloured in Photoshop. It's in the zun documentary on YouTube. I can tell it's Photoshop because of the cloud textures he used specifically for imperishable night.
In a more recent video he's using a cintiq to draw seija.

>>17500314
>In a more recent video he's using a cintiq to draw seija.
Ah, that must be why his new drawing look so weird. ZUN's line art is much better drawn on paper than on a tablet.

>>17496132
Byakuren and Marisa.

>>17491873
This is really canon?

>>17490781
This question got me thinking: What exactly are the bullets that aren't described as being actual objects? Are they just little bits of magical light/heat?

>>17505228
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Spell_Cards/Stage_4

If there was no human village would the youkai cease to exist without something believing they exist?

>>17506107
That's a major plot point in the written works so yeah probably

>>17500033
>>17500127
This one is also very important: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Grimoire_of_Marisa/Afterword_by_Marisa_Kirisame


On a similar note, I remember reading danmaku don't really hurt phisically that much but mostly just "tire your soul", do I remember this incorrectly? Because I can't find the source of this.

>>17505915
Probably just magic.

>>17506136
I recall ZUN saying that it was like getting hit by a softball, which is to say danmaku can bruise, but not much more than that. I can't find a source on that, but I'd imagine that it must make some sort of physical impact, considering how the losers of these things always walk out with torn up clothes.

>>17506705
What about the kitchen knives, .380 ACP pistols, and high-speed trains that get used in spell card attacks? Do characters survive hits from those just by being really tough?

>>17506740
Magic

How does Keine's power works? She can rewrite the history or she knows everything about Gensokyo's history?

>>17506824
Nah. She can "consume" history. However, it should be noted that "consumed" history is not destroyed, but rather hidden. The effects of this are that anything that stems from the "consumed" event apparently ceases to exist (for example, in IN when she consumed the history of the human village, it disappears). However, this ability seems to be illusory in nature, as sufficiently powerful beings can see through it.
From this, it can be assumed that her ability while in her hakutaku form, creation of history, likely causes things to spring into existence, though these things would most likely also be illusory in nature.

>>17506853
I see, I think that I understand. Thanks.

>>17506740
Spellcard Rules are implemented into Gensokyo on the conceptual level. Once danmaku battle is declared, by definition the results are non-lethal, no matter what overpowered bullshit ensues during it.

>>17507402
I mean that's technically headcanon, but we actually have no real explanation for inexplicably non-lethal knives, so it's fine.

>>17506891
A concise way to frame it is that Keine "teaches" history, and by "learning" that history you are manipulated into perceiving the consequences. But if you knew the truth of those events you couldn't be tricked.

>>17498690
Probably, they used a Lunar Rover-lookalike to begin the purge of Gensokyo in LoLK, right? So I guess there's likely some genuine technology incorporated into their society, although it could have just been magic designed to resemble something they were familiar with as an invasion tool. Divine magic is absolutely a huge part of Lunarian society, though.

>>17500148
Miko is literally Prince Shoutoku, a male historical figure. It's unkown whether ZUN intends Miko current female status as a magical handwave while transfering to Gensokyo, or if the Prince was a girl the whole time, ala Saver from Fate.

>>17507556
Don't call Keine a liar, bastard.

How many times have bloomers actually showed up in actual ZUN drawings?

>>17509270
The Lunar Rover thing was actually a manifestation of Sagume's power, taking on the apperance it did due to the Moon Landing being seen as a hoax in the outside world. It's closely related to the occult orbs' power.

>>17510055
Off the top of my head, I believe you can see Marisa's bloomers in some of his art, though they're the long style that reaches below the knees.

scrub here. how badly am I gimping myself by using a gamepad? I finally 1cc'd IN on easy, but playing the same game on keyboard I can maybe get to stage 4 before needing a continue. I just do much better with a contoller, but I hear the harder difficulties and games require a keyboard because it's more precise. Do I need to bite the bullet and git gud with keyboards?

>>17510422
It doesn't matter what're using. What matters is performance.

>>17510422
Keyboard is more precise, but not to a degree where it's impossible to do well with other methods.
The method you do best with is the best method.

Unexpectedly good thread so far.

>>17490781
DDC's Sakuya B refers to green score items. What the fuck are those? her shot never brought any out that I saw, and I've only seen some yellowish green drops in HSiFS, and even then, very rarely, like when i fuck up and die during a release.

>>17510055
>>17510128
EoSD, it would seem.

Do Lunarians poop?

>>17511796
Only one way to find out.

What does Danmaku even look like outside of gameplay? Cause we've seen it in fighter and in danmaku format. is it one person as the "challenger" and one person as the "challenged" and having the latter use spellcards and shit while the other has to do protagonist-style fighting?

>>17512126
There are depictions of it in the manga, SSiB's moon chapters and the WaHH chapter with Kogasa are parts I can remember off the top of my head

>>17511747
Slut

Did Reimu 2.0 Nendoroid come out already? They announced it a really long time ago, and there's been no trace of it for months after that.

>>17511654
They increase the value of blue point items. Say, blue items are worth 10000. Then you picked a 100-point green item. Now blue items are worth 10100.

>>17512244
Really? That's now how I expected it to work. Are they the faint looking white stuff that goes to my character after I use bombs?

>>17512275
>>17511654
You see those green specks around Raiko?
That's them.

>>17512148
Unwarranted.

>>17512323
Really! I thought they'd be those weird spherical things with the kanji on them.

>>17512338
Those are something else, but they're also related to scoring.

>>17510422
I think some people with those charts on gameplay threads play with pad, go ask them.
>>17510055
Marisa in EoSD as pointed, Youmu from TD and I believe Letty on PCB? Can't remember.

>>17490781
is thcrap_brliro the only english translation? it reads like crap. i looked it up and the translator isn't even an english speaker- he is french. if anyone remembers that one IN english translation you should read brliro's- nothing in it makes sense.
makes me feel like the current games won't be translated properly either

>>17518911
If you don't like it, you can read it from the wiki. Oh wait, they're the same.

Make your own English translation if the current one roasts your bum so much or fuck off.

>>17519354
why did you get so triggered? are you brliro? i was just asking why they changed the translation so much and if there was any other translation teams. i read it straight off the wiki a long time ago and it looks like it was changed since then.

I feel super ashamed asking this but I recently had a hard drive failure and lost all touhou games. Which site is the best for downloading them from?

>>17526826
moriya shrine should be fine, unless you want be a fag and ask for a torrent

Why does Kaguya sometimes send assassins to kill Mokou instead of murdering her herself? Purity? Laziness?

>>17490781
How do I beat sakuya? I always end up jamming to the bgm and get fucked.

Aside from Septette for the Dead Princess/Beethoven's Piano Sonata No.8 3rd Movement, is there any other ZUN music which is obviously based on something else? I don't mean vague resemblances, but clear derivation.

Why is it that when you are controlling a character their bullets are fast and straight, but everyone you fight uses crazy ass danmaku. Why is it not danmaku vs. danmaku?

>>17528957
Cinderella Cage references Kagome Kagome, it's even in the name

>>17529288
gameplay-story segregation

>>17528957
By obvious do you mean intentional musical references or just pieces of melodies that he's used potentially by accident?

>>17527293
Boredom, and to keep her busy.

>>17518911
>>17519474
1) You aren't spelling their name right
2) brliron doesn't translate you moron

>>17528957
Japanize Dream (PCB credits) and Sakura Sakura.

>>17518911
thcrap is always open to better translations, that's the whole point of the patcher. If you have a better translation show them and they'll gladly implement it.

Is Mokou the only 2hu to have actually died in a danmaku battle? Although she is immortal but she did die and resurrected a couple of times in her fight.

>>17533818
Technically any youkai that explodes after the end of the fight, of course they respawn after a while

>>17533818
>Is Mokou the only 2hu to have actually died in a danmaku battle?
Yes, though a case could be made that Kaguya exploding and coming back at the end of her battle is actually her dying and resurrecting. Also the Three Fairies battle in GFW could be interpreted in a similar way (they die at the end, but the endings that include them take place after they respawn).

>>17533831
Completely false.

Where do the spell card comments on the wiki come from? I'm pretty sure IN is the only title where they appear in-game.

>>17534416
I'm pretty sure it's said somewhere in the wiki that the comments are most of the time made up by the community (so it isn't ZUN's), though I can't find where right now.

>>17534557
You can check the history for some, although when the wiki moved years ago all edits before then lost their original author.

>>17534416
StB and DS.

>>17528957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIQiFVLkBgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFu66ye6YWM

Why does Reimu follow Yukari's orders when Yukari's a youkai?

>>17539988
The power balance in Gensokyo isn't just "humans versus youkai." It's often in the best interests of both parties to work together.

If Koishi's power makes her unobservable to grown humans, how did Reimu and Marisa fight her?

>>17540647
They're teenagera

>>17540647
She's not observable, more like unnoticeable. If you ever read HGttG, she basically has a SEP field around her person.

>>17540647
If she interacts with you then you have no problem interacting back with her. You'll just forget it later.

Where does one start with the multitude of manga out there? The official stuff, the semi-official or most-fans-take-it-as-canon stuff, fun stuff, etc.

There's so much out there.

Its been a while and I feel pretty stupid and confused. What Moriyashrine site is the real one?

If Junko gets pregnant then another sun would appear?

Is Love Colored Magic Spark an arrange of Love Colored Magic or is there any noticeable difference between the two?

>>17548934
Order of release

>>17550095
Only one way to find out

>>17512126
Not like the games. Both folks can declare spell cards and both have to deal with them. Unlike how the games have one person dodge and the other person get whittled down, in reality they're both dodging until one of them makes enough mistakes (gets hit) to lose. The closest to how it works is PoFV. The manga don't convey things the best.

But really, it sounds really difficult to properly portray.

>>17512178
http://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/6474/Nendoroid+Reimu+Hakurei+2+0.html#itemZoom2

>>17528957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO9ZA2Wd9_s

>>17539988
She doesn't. She eventually accepts Yukari's requests/orders because she's incredibly fucking annoying. Eternal Night incident was one case where she was forced into it cause Yukari was worried about youkai. In SA, she did not want to go at all but Yukari wouldn't leave her alone. Similarly, in SSiB Yukari kept suddenly bothering Reimu to get her to train.

>>17548934
Canon until you've got no canon, then you can do fan stuff. You can save the Inaba manga for whenver. There's not really any "most fans take it as canon" stuff in the realm of doujinshi.

I'd recommend reading them after playing all the games, but they did release alongside the games. There's lists, or a picture of something, detailing the order everything was released...pretty sure.

>>17496570
>What's the difference between the Reality-Fantasy Barrier and the Hakurei Barrier and why is Yukari apparently capable of maintaning the former but said by Yuyuko (Who's supposed to be secretly super keen on stuff) to be uncapable of maintaning the latter?
The first one was part of Yukari's "Youkai Expansion Project", and causes supernatural beings to be drawn to Gensokyo.

The second one hides Gensokyo away from the world, and is implied to be reverse-engineered from the barrier on the Lunar Capital.

Touhouwiki's page on the Great Hakurei Barrier hasn't been updated in ages, which is likely why so many anons are confused.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Basic_Knowledge_of_Fantastic_Words_2015

>>17528957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSle1oJvsSg

>>17528957
It goes in reverse too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvuNo02q0mY sounds suspiciously like a slower version of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMOk4Znm0QY

What the hell is a flower youkai?
Can there be youkai of anything?

>>17551498
You tell me

>>17551498
There's actually new trivia about this matter in the latest Strange Creators of Outer World volume.

>>/jp/thread/S16914166#p16921177

>>/jp/thread/S16914166#p16923945

It's a real shame nobody is seriously translating SCoOW, we're missing out a lot of info.

>>17534112
Care to explain why?

>>17496570
>Is it "Chang'e" or "Jouga"? Which is the correct spelling?
嫦娥 is a Chinese goddess. The Chinese pronounce those characters as "Chang'e", and the Japanese as "Jouga".

While it makes sense for Japanese people to pronounce a Chinese name the Japanese way, there is zero reason for an English speaker to do that.

>What's Kaguya's deal? i could never get a read on her personality even after reading the print works.
She loves Earth but is extremely sheltered, and she's grateful to Eirin so she finds it hard to stand up to her whenever Eirin misunderstands what Kaguya wants (which is often, because Eirin is a ruthless pragmatist who doesn't understand human feelings).

Just watch that Ghibli movie about her.

>>17551396
holy heck, it's almost exactly the same

>>17551551
That's cool and all, but it doesn't answer my question.
Let me put it this way. Letty is a Yuki-onna. Mystia is a Night Sparrow. Nue is a Nue. Yuuka is a youkai that does stuff with flowers?
Legend says objects can become Youkai, but is Yuuka a really old flower that became one? Saigyou Ayakashi is a youkai born of a cherry blossom tree, but it's still a tree.

>>17550107
>>17551773
It's been a while since I've read up on Yuuka's lore, but isn't she a generic category-less youkai in the same vein as Rumia and Meiling? So Yuuka is not a flower youkai, but rather a youkai with power over flowers (like how Rumia is not a "darkness youkai" or Meiling isn't a "chi youkai").

>>17548934
This is their chronology in canon, but seriously if you just read the damn things in release order you'll be mostly following this anyway.

>>17550107
There's some differences in tempo and instruments, but I believe the two songs are about the same. It's not like Maiden's Capriccio.

>>17552053
Thanks for the list anon

Whether it's a problem with me, my keyboard, or both, I find that my movements in-game always seem to overshoot where I want to go and I get hit by a bullet. What are some good tips about control?

>>17557367
Learn how to tap, or perform micro movements.
Junko's second card(?) is decent training in that regard.

>>17557412
LoLK is by itself a decent training.

>>17561001
Decent training in crying that is.

>>17512126
The gameplay we normally see is just an abstraction, proof of this is ZUN's comments on Great Fairy Wars stating that it only looks like there's so much danmaku on-screen because Cirno is weak, and even the danmaku of fairies looks deadly to her.
Think of the boss healthbars as more of a stamina bar, and they're actually dodging your attacks. Then when they get close to being hit, they bomb, which results in their spell card pattern.
The player character functions identically, except we can get hit and respawn as a gameplay mechanic.

>>17551565
Only fairies do what you described.
If a youkai dies it's just dead, unless it has some unique ability allowing it to respawn or be immortal in some capacity.

>>17563487
Youkai don't "respawn" but they possess exceptional regeneration, to the point where they can survive being cut to pieces. Only spiritual attacks are really effective at killing them. It's possible that some spell card battles have ended with a youkai "blowing up" only to be fine later.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Youkai

>>17563551
Yeah, I wouldn't call regenerating respawning though. 99% of youkai die when they are killed.
Not that that ever comes up in spell card duels, which are explicitly non-lethal. Nothing dies in Touhou except maybe the generic enemy fairies, and they're the only ones who respawn after a while.

>>17563761
>Not that that ever comes up in spell card duels, which are explicitly non-lethal.
Using "lethal" attacks is apparently not frowned upon if your opponent can come back to life, as we saw in the Mokou fight.

>>17563487
Youkai don't really die unless everyone believes it or stops believing in the youkai itself

>>17563995
Doubt they're 100% immortal other than that. Say if you blow them into pieces or crush the heart, I'm sure they'll die.

>>17563790
Did Kaguya ever say before fighting the playable characters that she was immortal? It's been awhile since I last played it. It'd be pretty funny if they had actually killed Kaguya on accident after Hourai Jewel because she looked like she resurrected just like Mokou for her survival cards.

>>17564507
It's always been awkward that Kaguya and Mokou revive in their fights. It's was obviously just done by ZUN in order to show off a cool ability and have their immortality visually represented. Having a boss "die" and then reform in front of you was just too hype to pass up putting showing off to players.
As far as serious questions about the setting, I think Kaguya and Mokou's battles should be partially ignored in this sense, because every other source says that danmaku is nonlethal, and indeed the entire purpose of the spell card system is to resolve incidents peacefully, nor would there be any reason for the heroines to use lethal force against Kaguya and Mokou, yet nobody else.

>>17563790
>>17564993
Mokou was blowing herself up though. A big part of her strength comes from how she gives zero fucks about overexerting herself because the damage to her body will be gone when she respawns.

>>17565279
>Mokou was blowing herself up though.
I doubt that - I know Mokou is fond of blowing herself up in a few of her spell cards, but it seems pretty clear that the protagonists are blowing her up in IN, at least in the Barrier Team's scenario:

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Barrier_Team%27s_Extra

>But if she won't die, that means I can go all-out on her, right?
>More or less.

>>17565361
Reimu and Yukari are assholes.

>>17564993
>nor would there be any reason for the heroines to use lethal force against Kaguya and Mokou, yet nobody else.
Well, there's the fact that both of them are explicitly immortal and won't stay dead no matter what you throw at them. By that token, danmaku still remains nonlethal even if you kill them with it.

What's with the hate towards Ten Desires? People here constantly shit on it. (example: https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/17532084))
Is it because it's too easy? The music being soft instead of blaring ZUNpets? Or is it because the religion plot getting another game and/or the character designs are crap because of this?

The atmosphere of Ten Desires is just so comfy, and having really old timey characters (pre-Heian / Asuka+Nara) is really nice.

>>17567130
I actually liked TD for its music and it's not really that easy when you play as Marisa (at least for me).

>>17567177 (Sorry, accidentially deleted it)

What's with the hate towards Ten Desires? People here constantly shit on it. (examples in this thread >>17532084)
Is it because it's too easy? The music being soft instead of blaring ZUNpets? Or is it because the religion plot getting another game and/or the character designs are crap because of this?

The atmosphere of Ten Desires is just so comfy, and having really old timey characters (pre-Heian / Asuka+Nara) is really nice.

>>17563995
They CAN be literally killed (see Fortune Teller for example), it's just really fucking hard to do if they aren't a newborn weakling like FT was.

>>17567477
Probably because the meme goes "TD is so easy!" but it's really not and they get mad at the game when they discover this

>>17567477
It's a few factors that kind of combine together that results in it having very few fans.
To get the obvious out of the way, it's an easy game, and unlike other easy games in the series, the ease is mostly because of how simple the patterns are, which is an obvious negative.
In contrast to the easy difficulty, the game has a very odd way of rationing out resources, giving you loads of bombs and few lives. Add in the difficulty of doing Death Bombs in this game thanks to trance making the window even smaller, and you have a system that encourages the player to take fewer risks and to use bombs and trance to skip difficult sections. Compounding this further is the how much the game punishes you for dying, taking out a huge chunk of your power and forcing you into trance if you have enough, wasting it in the process.
There's also the change to the new style of shot types. While the idea of having encompassing shots that represent all of the most iconic aspects of a characters sounds like a good idea on paper, it resulted in shots that felt very samey overall, to the detriment of the game as a whole. It doesn't help that Youmu had the only interesting shot in the game, and that Sanae got shafted as fuck in regards to her shot.
Trance is also an unpopular mechanic, as it's easy to gain, feels necessary for resource collection at points, and unlike release is completely safe and requires little strategy outside of routing.
TD is fine, but it has some huge issues.

>>17567745
Overall, TD is just kind of a boring game with an overcentralizing mechanic, and introduced a few concepts that just weren't very popular.
That's not to say that TD is awful, or completely unredeemable. Depending on who you ask, the Taoist are a good cast, the music is good as always, the return on Spell Practice was a much appreciated thing, and Overdrives were a fun way of utilizing the mode. However, this doesn't make up for the game just being so mediocre in other aspects.

>>17565279
>>17565361
I think it's left vague on purpose. The only thing that's absolutely clear is that she's dying and reviving after each card.

>>17564507
The difference is that the game explicitly calls what Mokou is doing "Resurrection", as seen by the text at the top of the screen. Kaguya doesn't get that.

Anyway, the original question is dumb as the times when a character does die during a spell card battle (Mokou) are made explicit for the viewer. Any other explosion is just an in-game abstraction to visually indicate to the player that the character in question is pacified. Hell, explosions sometimes even occur in these games when the opponent is completely unscratched (Marisa in GFW, Yuyuko in TD, Sagume). It's obviously not meant to be taken literally.

>>17567745
>it's an easy game
>In contrast to the easy difficulty, the game has a very odd way of rationing out resources, giving you loads of bombs and few lives. Add in the difficulty of doing Death Bombs in this game thanks to trance making the window even smaller, and you have a system that encourages the player to take fewer risks and to use bombs and trance to skip difficult sections. Compounding this further is the how much the game punishes you for dying, taking out a huge chunk of your power and forcing you into trance if you have enough, wasting it in the process.
So which is it?

>>17567935
It's an easy game that punishes you for trying to take any real risks. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. You can have a game with easy patterns, offset by the lack of lives, as well, simultaneously making it both an unforgiving (as in you get few chances) and a fairly simple game.

>>17567949
What the hell kind of "easy game" is described as "unforgiving"?

Simple =/= Easy
And as you're arguing yourself, easy patterns =/= easy game.

>>17567935
I'd say the easy patterns and how unforgiving it is balance out to be somewhere in the middle regarding difficulty (compared to other Touhou games) that requires learning the mechanics to do well. I like to distinguish this because there are games that aren't hard when playing/routing around the mechanics but are notably more difficult when you don't use them, like DDC and HSiFS for example.

>>17568009
The patterns are easy, therefore it is an easy game. But any mistakes you make are heavily punished, encouraging players to use Trance and Bombs to bypass the difficult sections rather than even take the risk at all. This results in a less fun experience.
I'm not even that guy, seems pretty explanatory though.

>>17568416
Game's so easy that you have to make a point of mentioning how severely it punishes mistakes.

You must be arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

>>17568450
A game being easy has nothing to do with how it punishes mistakes. It is easy to not make mistakes, but when you do make mistakes they are punished too harshly. I do not understand what is so difficult to understand here.
>You must be arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.
That was my first post in the thread, so not really. If anything you seem to be the one trying to extend the discussion into an argument.

>>17557412
Any good tips/guides/videos for that? I can't seem to find the right pressure/timing/etc.

>>17568639
Just practice tapping the direction as lightly and briefly as you can.
Diagonal movement is also the best way to get the smallest horizontal movement possible, and is thus good for very tight patterns where you have to slip into a wall of danmaku (like a lot of Junko's stuff).
This is also why hugging the bottom of the screen is such a powerful tactic on some spells, because you tap diagonally downard, but because you're already pressed against the screen edge, you don't change vertical position, and instead are only moving half of the horizontal distance.

>>17567490
Or the shrine maiden isn't being serious. I can't imagine Reimu's choice of the word "exterminate" is a coincidence. It's likely, in my opinion, that prior to the spell card rules Hakurei shrine maidens actually killed youkai.

>>17564993
>It's was obviously just done by ZUN in order to show off a cool ability and have their immortality visually represented
I think he mostly thought it was funny.

>>17563995
There's that Shoe Tsukumogami that Marisa killed and Umatsuki that Reimu exterminated

>>17568745
>It's likely, in my opinion, that prior to the spell card rules Hakurei shrine maidens actually killed youkai.
That one is actually false, if you consider PC98.
We know that Reimu has had the ability to seal youkai non-lethally as early as SoEW, and Marisa explicitly finds the methods with which she does so in one of her LLS endings, both of which would be pre-spell card rules.
It's likely that
I mean, she probably had to kill SOME youkai, but I'd imagine it was like it is now, where she reserves youkai killing for when it's necessary. Despite what FS would have you believe, Reimu has never been completely against the youkai, despite her complaints about them. FT had a point, nobody who hates youkai would let them hold such a strong presence at their shrine as Reimu does.

If Shou is Bishamonten's avatar, shouldn't she be, like, EXTREMELY powerful?

>>17568853
>That one is actually false, if you consider PC98.
RIP Orange

>>17568853
>if you consider PC98
well there's not much reason you should. I was talking about older shrine maidens regardless anyway. Lots of words surrounding the rules make it sound like they were actually highly in favor of youkai against the shrine maiden (or rather giving them a fair chance) rather than giving humans a chance against youkai. Furthermore that non-lethality is an explicit rule just tells me lethal fighting was if not the norm, commonplace enough that it had to be bar.

And FT had me believing nothing. Reimu likes normalcy and balance. "Normal" in Gensokyo is to have an antagonistic relationship between humans and youkai, but still youkai are the primary residents of the land.

>>17567477
gimmic's lame, game's easy

that's about it

I love everything about TD other than playing it

>>17570050
Avatar =/= Bishamonten himself

>>17570502
Nice meme.

>>17570798
>Furthermore that non-lethality is an explicit rule just tells me lethal fighting was if not the norm
It's specifically the rule because the shrine maiden can't be killed without bad things happening.
And there's no reason to completely dismiss PC98, outside of it conflicting your "grimdark" fantasies.

>>17571350
>because the shrine maiden can't be killed without bad things happening
This isn't true at all. You just have headcanon there, because there's nothing saying anything like that. Straight up, if anything there's suggestion that the shrine maiden can be replaced if the youkai wish her to be replaced (at least according to Aya's thoughts on the matter). Reimu isn't crucially tied to Gensokyo's existence, there were always maidens replacing old maidens. They're human, they die, that's really not likely to be the reason for it, and I can't see why you'd think so when the word used for defeating youkai is still "exterminate".

>outside of it conflicting your "grimdark" fantasies
what

if anything PC-98 is more grim, with Makai being razed to the ground (by the protagonist?)

I dismiss it because it's a bunch of rough hewn ideas from a young guy who was playing around and didn't think very hard about things. It's a lot of silly or strange things, and said young man didn't even want people really connecting the two to begin with. I don't know a proper comparison, but basically why bring up stuff that's not the same? There's not even a "barrier" in PC-98, the shrine doesn't work the same way, and so on and so forth. Like, honestly, I read stuff like "AND IF YOU CONSIDER PC-98" and I think "you mean with the talking missile and multiple dimensions and flying turtle and manic Reimu and whoa the whole earth blew up because you wished on the yin yang orbs!"

It was a dumb, but admittedly fun little setting that is not the same. It explicitly did not have rules because ZUN didn't care. First thing that happens with EoSD? Hard rules are set, setting is firmly established, and so on. The Eastern Land is a place where anything can happen because it was developed with the idea of anything goes (Hell, the netherworld, other universes, whatever the fuck), while Gensokyo has some limitations and is largely tied with mythology.

But whatever, let's just pretend we can talk about these two very different things in the same context!

can i have a suwako nendoroid

>>17571510
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Reimu_Hakurei
>Gensokyo relies on the Hakurei Shrine and its shrine maidens to preserve the form it exists as today.
>As a result, no youkai oppose them.
>Without a way for any youkai to defeat the Hakurei shrine maiden, many youkai felt that their meaning to exist had disappeared,
Keep pushing that secondary head canon, though.

>>17571637
Huh, fair enough. That doesn't actually refute my saying that youkai needed to survive though. I also wouldn't rely on it too strongly since every profile in the Gensokyo Chronicle is tailor made to satisfy the person who is being written about. Akyuu outright asks for edits and things, and was shown explicitly talking with Marisa and Reimu at least about their articles. I don't see why Reimu wouldn't highlight her importance and the shrine's necessity, especially when her reputation is dogshit. There are also plenty of dubious facts regarding the entire creation of the spell card rules (Reimu may not have come up with them herself). On the other hand we still have Aya's statement that the shrine maiden may need to be replaced, as if it's a possibility. A decent theory about the Hakurei is that it may not be a bloodline or clan. After all, we only know ONE who is alive, period. Very bizarre for a "clan". And as for the shrine, it's literally been destroyed more than once, AND tampered with, so there's that.

By the way, I like that you go straight to "secondary" when you think someone is wrong, although nothing I said indicated I got my ideas from fandom or, hell, even my own interpretation. Lack of information, faulty memory, these are things.

>>17563551
The level of regeneration varies depending on the youkai. Vampires have bullshit levels of it, magicians have none at all. Newborn youkai tend to be bad at regenerating because they're not stable yet.

What colour are nitori nipples

>>17564993
When bosses explode, they're not necessarily dying. In UFO stage 1 we see Nazrin exploding, yet the protagonists say she simply ran away. Plus, most of them talk to you after exploding.

>>17571938
She doesn't have any, she's not a mammal.

>>17568745
>I can't imagine Reimu's choice of the word "exterminate" is a coincidence.
Blame the translators.

>>17572101
She uses the same word in Japanese

>>17571612
She'd be perfect for one.

How to I get good playing the games?
Would forcing myself play in Lunatic all the time work?

>>17578442
Yes. Watching perfect 1ccs also helps.

>>17578442
Not if you'll just get tired of grinding and not really bother to learn much, but generally sure it's possible to kickstart like that.

>>17578450
thanks! Memorising some space spots would help a lot.

>>17578458
Considered playing from Easy and increasing the difficulty once I can 1cc it but worried I'll get too comfortable and get stuck at a difficulty.

>>17528957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Zc_67zjxs
Reisen's Theme

>>17578618
X5 is referencing it, not the other way around.

>>17578827
X5 came out 4 years before Imperishable Night

>>17578509
I wouldn't recommend Easy even for newcomers, because getting out of the rutt of comfort on that difficulty is even harder than, say, simply going from Normal to Hard.
Start on Normal. It gives you the good endings and will actually give you a genuine challenge most of the time, allowing to actually grow and improve rather than have the illusion of improvement Easy gives you.

Why did Eirin choose to devote herself to Kaguya even though she's supposed to be a goddess of the Lunarians?

>>17578442
play and play and play some more

>>17582345
Because Eirin hates making mistakes, and what happened to Kaguya was a massive mistake on her part. She also doesn't really care about status, and didn't have any close bonds to people on the moon (she had people she was fond of, but not deeply) so from her perspective she wasn't losing much.

>>17582345
Speaking of Eirin, we all know that Mokou hates Kaguya's guts but was it ever shown on what Mokou's opinion on Eirin was? Considering that she's also a Hourai just like her and had also created the elixir.

>>17582496
Mokou's hatred for Kaguya is based on what Kaguya did to her father, and how she ultimately caused Mokou to become a hourai immortal through how the events just turned out after Kaguya came to earth. Mokou probably hates Eirin for being allied and close with Kaguya, but it's a completely different level of hatred.

>>17582496
Does Mokou even know that?

>>17490781
I really don't get the plot of LoLK and Junko's master plan at all. I'm guessing this is mainly because I just don't get what purification even does. Apparently it roids up fairies like Clownpiece to a whole new level of power, but at the same time it's also highly destructive?

What exactly is the purpose of the UFOs in UFO? The actual ship that gets you to Hijiri is a fucking literal ship and none of the girls are ayys in that game. Hijiri is a youkai apologist human and the others are shitty youkai.t

>>17582879
Junko's ability brings out and strengthens the core property of its target. A spoon of salt would become very pure salt. A fairy becomes even closer to the source of its existence - i.e. nature. Nature is anathema to the Lunarians, who eschew and deny the natural cycle of life and death. Had Sagume not frozen the Capital and moved the inhabitants into the Dream World, they might have gotten "infected" with nature/life and lost their immortality.

>>17578618
Eh, that's just different enough that I wouldn't call fowl play. More likely just a coincidence.

>>17582939
It's explained in Marisa B's ending.

>>17582879
The Lunarians sent a "metallic spider" (actually a rover, Sanae points this out in her story) to Gensokyo. It was purifying the land it touched - aka making it lifeless, and the youkai couldn't do anything about it because, due to its purity, they couldn't see it. News about this reached Eirin, who instructed the incident resolvers + Reisen to go to the moon and gave them the medicine that will allow them to defeat the Lunarians (the Ultramarine Orb, aka Pointdevice Mode), though canonically nobody took it. Thus, our intrepid heroes went to the moon through the Dream World, which connects Gensokyo and the Lunar Capital. And fun fact: Doremy was ordered by Sagume to send anyone heading to the capital to an illusory copy of it so that they don't bother. Doremy was annoyed by this and sent the protagonists to the real capital instead.

Turns out, the metallic spider was sent to purify Gensokyo so that the Lunarians could move the Lunar Capital there (ULiL was also part of this plan but that's another topic). This is because of Junko and her pallies, who are threatening their pure land via super-charged fairies. "Purity" is the rejection of the concepts of life and death (which is what allows the Lunarians to be virtually immortal - that which is not alive cannot die) while fairies are pretty much the embodiment of such, which enables them to "taint" the lunar grounds. That's what Junko's ability is enhancing.

Junko is doing all this out of a desire for revenge, as she was cheated on by Houyi, her husband, who also later killed their child. She killed Houyi and is now after the person he cheated on her with, Chang'e, a Lunarian goddess who is imprisoned in the Lunar Capital after having drunk the Hourai Elixir (I can't remember if it's ever stated just why the Lunarians don't just hand her over and be done with it. IIRC Chang'e is the master of the moon rabbits, so it could be that they're holding onto her to keep them under their control). So Junko has no beef with the Lunarians actually, they're just in her way. And Hecatia is pretty much just along for the ride, even if she does have reasons to dislike Houyi.

>>17582939
>What exactly is the purpose of the UFOs in UFO?
They're used to break Byakuren's seal, read the dialogue. They also aren't actual UFOs, MarisaB's ending explains that (and links the main story to the Extra stage).

>>17583124
I read the dialogue but without knowing MarisaB's ending, it just seems retarded. Even the heroines think it's retarded.

>>17583205
>Even the heroines think it's retarded
Because all they see are UFOs.

>>17582879
>>17583124
Junko's "purification" powers amp up a single aspect of something, and have nothing to do with how the Lunar Capital is pure of life and death. Some translators have been pushing to call Junko's power "refinement" to avoid this confusion.

>>17583124
>News about this reached Eirin, who instructed the incident resolvers + Reisen to go to the moon and gave them the medicine that will allow them to defeat the Lunarians (the Ultramarine Orb, aka Pointdevice Mode), though canonically nobody took it.
If you play in Legacy Mode and lose any lives before you've reached Junko, she mocks you for "coming while bearing impurity" and after the fight you get the bad ending where she beats you and sends you back to Earth.
On the other hand if you play pointdevicely (either with or without the elixir's help), then Junko admits her defeat and only fights you as a formality.

The real point of the elixir was to produce someone who was (temporarily) as pure as a Lunarian, but not afraid of touching fairies and losing their immortality like the actual Lunarians were.

>>17583553
I said the fairies are the ones tainting the moon, not Junko, what are you reading.

>Some translators have been pushing to call Junko's power "refinement" to avoid this confusion.
That ended a while back. Though I think they should have gone with it.

>>17583553
Is pointdevice the proper way of playing LoLK?

>>17583615
>Though I think they should have gone with it.
Judging by ZUN's English use of "Pure Furies" in Stage 6 and Junko's theme, I think he was purposely trying to mislead us in regard to the final boss.

>>17582879
Fairies are embodiments of life itself. Junko's powers of purification pushed them further into that realm, making them completely toxic to the Lunarians who are without life and death. By introducing so many pure fairies to Lunar Capital, Junko introduced the concept of life and death, removing the immortality of the Lunarians in the process.

>>17583747
Proper as in? If you mean in terms of how the story goes, then no.
>Doing a no-miss clear on Legacy Mode is what's canon (laugh). Because the "Ultramarine Orb Medicine" doesn't appear in the story when you do a no-miss clear. It didn't matter whether you used it or not.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Legacy_of_Lunatic_Kingdom_interview_with_ZUN

>>17583747
LoLK is designed around pointdevice mode, and legacy mode is kind of tacked-on and unbalanced, but there's nothing wrong with playing it anyway for the traditional Touhou experience.

>>17583806
Is he honestly expecting anyone except for the real hardasses to beat Legacy with no msises?

>>17583820
Look at the bright side, you can still use bombs.

>>17583820
That's probably the idea.

>>17583820
Of course not, that's why PD exists.

>>17583809
>legacy mode is kind of tacked-on and unbalanced
After having played fan games with actual tacked-on and unbalanced modes, I feel like statements like this are fucking stupid.
Sanae can net you pretty easy resource gains, yes, but that doesn't make the difficulty broken. It's hard, but that's not in and of itself imbalanced. And please don't tell me that you're one of the memelords who claims that CP is easier on Lunatic than on Normal, because then you might as well complain about PCB and HSiFS pulling the same shit at points.

>>17584108
>memelords who claims that CP is easier on Lunatic than on Normal
Not him, but I do find her first and second spells on Hard easier than their equivalents on Normal. Rest of the fight is obviously more difficult.

>>17584145
First one, probably, but that second one increases the difficulty on the one aspect of the spell that makes it difficult (the laser duration and ease with which it can trap you), which makes the normal version more forgiving, despite the apparently harder star pattern.
And even if two cards are harder on normal than on other difficulties, that doesn't counteract the difficulty of any of the other cards.

>>17584156
>apparently harder star pattern.
But I do have a harder time. Every time I try squeezing into those tiny gaps, I fuck up and if I don't move fast enough, I just get guillotined by the laser.
>that doesn't counteract the difficulty of any of the other cards
That is certain.

Why do the games fuck up the romanization? "Byakuren Hiziri", ect. Is it the translators fault, or is it text left in there by ZUN?

>>17584538
It's ZUN's romanizations.
Reminder: Etarnity Larva

>>17584603
Etarnity makes Eternity sound more cuter though, not gonna lie.

There was this series of pictures, maybe from a doujin work or something. In it, whenever Alice was in a photo, she has always somehow managed to look at the camera and give it a perfect smile. I'd find it myself, but I can't even really fathom what I should be searching for. Someone help?

>>17584702
Maybe it's a parody of How I Met Your Mother, I remember that exact same scenario being part of the focus for an episode.
Dunno if that would even be mentioned in the tags or whatnot, though.

Why does Zun hate digital distribution?

>>17584538
"Hiziri" is nihon-shiki romanization and is completely valid. That being said, ZUN does not stick to a specific romanization system nor is he consistent, even mixing systems within the same game, e.g. having both "Hutatsuiwa" and "Futo".

Meanwhile unlike this, "Etarnity" is simply an error.

>>17584861
He doesn't. He does dislike having to do extra work on games he's already finished and released, and much rathers just putting out new work all the time, but that's only one reason why he doesn't jump on it. He's already tried his hand with Playism, and it's impossible to say whether or not the conditions were unfavorable or he just hasn't gotten around to releasing other games over doing other work, or literally any other reason. He clearly doesn't hate digital and recommends it especially for indie developers.

>>17584702
>>17584733
I'm pretty sure this isn't an actual image that exists.

>>17582496
I'm pretty sure Mokou hates the moon.

>>17589968
I'm pretty sure Mokou doesn't really care about anyone other than Kaguya

>>17589976
Play ULiL on PS4. She while she does go nuts, at first she's straight about how much she dislikes the way Eientei does things, their attitude, and the attitudes of those from the moon. Which makes sense, since her beef with Kaguya stems from Kaguya's holier than though, no fucks given antics.

>>17589980
It sure is weird that Mokou wasn't part of the playable cast in LoLK when she would've probably loved mowing down the Lunarians and everyone connected to them.

>>17589980
But her beef stems from Kaguya rejecting her father.

>>17590211
It's the Lunarians fault for giving birth to Kaguya. Mokou has enough reason to be pissed at them too.

>>17589986
Since she took the Hourai Elixir, it's possible that the Ultramarine Orb wouldn't work on her, so she would harm more than help the Moon (which was the idea) with her impurity.

>>17590211
Like I said, that comes from standard Lunarian attitude. Also she didn't "reject" Mokou's father, she gave him tasks to complete because she didn't want to bother just saying no, which is actually worse.

Although at the same time Mokou being upset about that baffles me, honestly. Sure, Kaguya IS a bitch, but how is it her fault that her dad wanted to marry her

How did you bind your controller? I use square for shooting, X for bombing, triangle for trance/release, R1 for focusing and the D-pad for movement. I don't plan on changing, but I'm curious about different combinations.

>>17591236
I use 'z' for shooting, 'x' for bombing, shift for focusing and the arrow keys for movement. Kinda unusual one, but works out really well for me

>>17591236
Y for shooting
R for bombing
B for trance/release
A for skip in the games that use that
L for focus
L Joystick for movement

>>17591309
Isn't it less precise to use the joystick? How far into touhou have you gotten, if that's not indiscrete? Normal, hard, lunatic 1ccs, play for score? I can't play with a joystick for the life of me.

>>17591346
Well I have lunatic 1ccs on IN and PoFV.
I can't really play on kb, I never got used to it, plus it doesn't help that I'm on fucking laptop. Dpad is a no go either.

>>17591346
I remember waking up at 6am sleepy as fuck and booting up my computer to play PCB. I picked up my controller and it worked. Played all the way to stage 4 before realizing what the fuck I was doing. It's okay, you can totally get used to it but I would rather used a keyboard.

>>17591428
I do use a controller, but move with the d-pad. I've 1cc'd most games on lunatic.

>>17589986
If she were a playable character she wouldn't have helped Sagume. She would have finished the game on Stage 4 and let Junko finish off the moon.

>>17551773
She's a dryad.

>>17592148
I mean, if Sagume just says "You are not going to help us" wouldn't it make Mokou fated to help them anyway?

>>17591236
Assuming Dualshock inputs, I use the dpad for movement, X to shoot, L1 to focus, and R1 to bomb. For trance/release/etc., I can't decide between R2 or square.
This retains the "different fingers for different inputs" advantage of a keyboard while maintaining the ergonomics of a controller. Sure, you don't really get the same precision as individual arrow keys, but I personally find the better ergonomics to be a fair tradeoff.
I am contemplating switching to a controller with a better dpad though. The XB1 controller and SNES controller are two I'm considering at the moment.

>>17591346
It is, but pads with short sticks and octagonal gates (i.e. GameCube, N64) feel okay, almost like an arcade stick.

Can Okina open doors on the back of doors?

>>17592509
What's wrong with the Dualshock dpad? It's the most comfortable on the market for me. This is due to it being where your thumb can naturally manoeuver. On every other controller, this place is reserved to the joystick, since it's the most used component in modern games. The only reason Sony left the optimal place on the gamepad to the now rarely used dpad and not the joystick is because the controller become emblematic and thus a good brand symbol, useful for sales.

>>17592338
That's not how it works. If you like world lines, it's more like the universe decides to take a new line that eventually proceeds to reverse the situation being talked about. It can't just break all logic and make people act uncontrollably in order to fulfill the conclusion. She could have by coincidence ended up saving them, though.

>>17592338
No, if Sagume talks about the Lunar Invasion Plan, and is sure that's fated to succeed, then her power will reverse the fated result, causing the Plan to instead fail. It wouldn't necessarily involve Mokou in this case.
The reason she talked about the plan to the heroines in LoLK was because she was sure they would be capable of stopping Junko. So her reversal of fate would occur without disastrous contrivances on the universe's part.
Mokou would be non-compliant, so I doubt she'd take that risk and talk about the plan to Mokou, activating her ability in the process.

>>17592569
I do prefer sticks being symmetrical, but I find the disjointed construction of the Sony dpad awkward in comparison to dpads with a pivot point in the middle.
I think this thing might suit my preferences more than the XB1 or SNES controller now that I think of it.

>>17592827
I forgot the picture.

>>17590748
I think it has to do with her father being dishonored, which resulted in Mokou trying to avenge him. It's implied that she was an illegitimate child, or at the very least was unplanned, so it's likely that doing so was her way of proving her worth to her father.

Why is Subterranean Animism so hard? I've beat the previous ones so easily in comparison to this, I hardly get to the 5th boss.

>>17592862
I'd have to dig up the exact quote, but I believe ZUN admitted that it was an unintentional design flaw on his end, and that he apologized for making the game too hard on normal.

>>17592862
If you can make it past Stage 5, you'll probably have a easier time with Okuu aside from maybe her first spellcard which is just a clip death waiting to happen.

>>17592862
The shots and bombs feel weak compared to other games, bombs being tied to power make bosses take longer to kill, and lack of life pieces from dying to spellcards can all be very punishing for worse players. I have a really cheesy play style, so all this made for a harder than average experience for me. I'm almost certain if you're actually good at dodging things, it's not so bad, but the patterns do feel a bit denser on normal compared to other games.

>>17592862
Treat Parsee seriously instead of a stage 2 boss you'll go through easily, as soon you actually pay attention to her she's easy.

If you're playing on normal Yuugi is actually easy since the cards can be cheesed with no problem, good luck on harder difficulties.

Also if you use Reimu A, remember you can cheese homing bullets.

>>17592834
I have that thing.
Main reason for now using it is the stick placement, second reason is batteries.
I wonder how the Switch pro controller is for this

>>17593106
not using it*

>>17593106
There are USB adapters by Mayflash to get around the battery issue, but I don't think it's worth it if you use the analog sticks. I'd say a GameCube controller is good for that. If you use the triggers in your control scheme, removing the springs helps.

>>17593106
Also forgot to ask, what program do you use to get those to work? I tried Wiinusoft and Wiinupro, but xinput doesn't work in Touhou and I can't find the option to map to keyboard inputs.

What is the hardest Satori on Lunatic? I've mostly played Reimu A and her first two spellcards during her second part wreck me hard. I tried a few other shot types and her attacks didn't seem that hard in comparison.

Her last spellcard as Reimu A is my favorite in the series though.

>>17593199
Double Black Death Butterfly.

>>17593197
I use wiinusoft. I does work just fine though.
Used to play with wiinupro, but now I only use it for PC98 games

Why people hate lunarians?

>>17583124
>so it could be that they're holding onto her to keep them under their control
This was actually confirmed by ZUN when he explained more about LoLK's details.

Chang'e is a prisoner of the Lunarians and since she too is a Hourai Immortal which is kind of hard to punish. Chang'e was morphed into a toad and imprisoned in the deepest part of the Lunar capitol as her punishment.

However the Moon rabbit race are loyal to only Chang'e not the Lunarians so by holding her as a hostage the entire Moon Rabbit race are forced into eternal servitude/slavery.

Without the Moon rabbits forced manual labour the Lunar capitol would cease to function since EVERY Lunarian is a god of some kind and expect to be served. Menial labour would be beneath the entire race due to their ego's.

>>17551773
It's easier to think of Yuuka is just a generic youkai who just happens to have a power over flowers, for all we know it may just be a side effect of her being so powerful.

I think it's just after a certain point of being so old and unmatched physically and spiritually it doesn't matter what kind of youkai you are near unstoppable and unmovable.

>>17596371
Yuuka probably used to be a normal, specialised youkai, but then overcame her specialisation. Which youkai technically aren't supposed to do. You have to remember Yuuka has lived so long that the Yama found it disagreeable.

>>17595936
Aki Eda's portrayal of them in SSiB as arrogant, holier-than-thou powerhouses who can't be defeated is one contributing factor. Memes are another.

On a more personal level, it is easy to find a race of extremely powerful beings, who do not have to work for their power at all, unabashedly employ slave labour, and who nonetheless consider themselves above most if not all earthly creatures, somewhat unpleasant.

>>17595936
>>17596894
They are basically space elves.

>>17596894
>Aki Eda's
ZUN is the writer

Was Suzunaan cancelled? The ending seemed really abrupt. The art was, by comparison, quite poor on the last couple of chapters too.

>>17597144
Moe got tired of it and wanted to work on her own shit so ZUN had to axe it

>>17596288
>Chang'e was morphed into a toad
Chang'e morphed into a toad by drinking the elixir, which is a detail in one version of the myth.

>so by holding her as a hostage
It isn't really a hostage situation, it's "just how life is" for them, as is the case with many societies with slavery. They don't work just because Chang'e is imprisoned, although Chang'e is used as a metaphorical carrot by the Lunarians.

>>17596876
>normal, specialised youkai
This is a false dilemma, there really just doesn't have to be any sort of specific species for youkai. It's just usually more thematically interesting for them to be a specific kind of youkai and so most youkai are something specific.

>>17597144
>The ending seemed really abrupt
The pacing was rather strange at the end but literally all of vol.7 was building up to it; it wasn't just hastily stopped.

>>17597166
Yeah, just like how Fairies got axed after volume 1 because the artist left.
Oh, wait...

Would anything bad happen if Yuyuko were to know that she was the one who's buried under the Saigyou Ayakashi?

>>17597192
Have you considered the mythological angle? Most any supernatural creature you see described in mythoi has a more or less specific origin and/or purpose. Japanese youkai especially.

>>17597308
Im not sure, a lot of grief prob, not sure if anything bad would happen to the tree tho.

>>17597182
>Chang'e morphed into a toad by drinking the elixir, which is a detail in one version of the myth.
I think even in that version it didn't happen until she reached heaven not upon drinking it. Otherwise we'd have a very slimy Mokou.

>>17597308
Probably nothing to be honest, it's not in her character. I mean you have to realize the way ZUN designs/writes his characters a lot of them are walking oxymoron's who deliberately juxtaposes their origin sometimes outright contradicting their existence.

Ghosts are meant to be remorseful/vengeful things by nature who have some heavy regret they're unable to let go of which won't subside.

But Yuyuko's whole gimmick is she is actually much happier and content dead than she was when alive. She has no regrets or emotional baggage, is perfectly mentally healthy yet is a ghost, it should be unheard of.

You see this pattern with a bunch of others like Okina a HIDDEN God who likes being a center of attention whore. Yukari who maintains a world of fantasy using pure science, logic and mathematics. Kanako who wants to be a god of engineering/technology which have no need for faith. It even goes down to the most minor characters like Mystia a night sparrow youkai who feeds victims grilled lamprey is plain absurd.

Is there any way to get the dpad to move your character using xinput?

>>17598320
Use JoyToKey.

>>17598323
It feels like there's a bit of lag compared to native inputs, but thanks for the info

Is touhou an anime?

>>17596894
Didn't lunarians created yokais?

Is ULiL latest fighting game?
Do people still play it?
Why won't it go fullscreen?

Where do I get the games?
Are they paid or are they free?
Asking for a friend.

>>17599541
Amazon
Paid

This was a good thread.

>>17598921
Nigga what

>>17604017
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Lunarian
>Supposedly, according to Kaguya Houraisan, the Lunarians are the originators of magic and youkai on Earth, creating youkai in order to regulate the Earth's "filth".

>>17597308
I think she knows now? She forgot a lot of things but I think she might have learned after PCB. Anyway, it would've been pretty bad if her plans succeeded.

>>17604736
>trusting Kaguya

>>17603070
Yeah, this was one of the best threads I've seen in a while. I'll miss it.