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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17412167

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, Jdrama, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

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>>17428523
Nice meme you got there black science guy

>> No.17428599

注意:このスレには日本語の話せる人はいません。

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>>17428599
>日本語の話せる
>の

>> No.17428630

夕莉が僕の身体を引張り、いちかの抱擁を既で交わす。

what is that 既 here?

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Procrastinate all weekend!

>> No.17428657

>>17428630
Probably a typo: 素手で

But I'm not sure.

>> No.17428809

>>17428617
お前の出来ぬが見える

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>>17428642
fuck.

>> No.17428914

>Listen to japanese 24/7 and eventually you will magically understand it

sounds like i've fallen for a meme...

>> No.17428933

>>17428914
are you legitimately retarded by chance?

>> No.17428935

>>17428914
>baby growing up in japan

>> No.17428954

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77lPX2InLeE
ASMR with Japanese and English subtitles.
Only recommend the ones with 雑談 for listening though, since those are the ones with enough listening content.

>> No.17428956

>>17428914
>he doesn't know it works

>> No.17429007

>>17428935
A baby also tests out the knowledge they acquire and is constantly corrected by parents.

Babies don't just magically learn by observation. It's all trial and error.

>> No.17429027

>>17429007
Then be reborn Japanese.

>> No.17429099

>>17429027
would not wish this on anyone

>> No.17429107

>>17429027
No thanks. I like not being a manlet.

>> No.17429168

Anyone else post-JLPT N1 here? Doing anything interesting with your language skills? Other than indulging in japanese entertainment I mean

I think I blew an opportunity to go live in Tokyo, would have been good to put what I learned into practice.

>> No.17429214

So I fell for the Genki meme and this book doesn't teach you any of the kanji as they appear in the book. Is the best way to go about this pausing and learning the kanji as they appear, or now that I have the basics of grammar down, should I focus on studying kanji for a while before progressing further?

>> No.17429221

>>17429214
anki core 10k
suspend all
unsuspend once they appear in genki

>> No.17429244

I checked the guide but it's all written content from what I can see. What's my best bet for learning moon runes with audio? I have about 30 minutes a day I always listen to stuff while I do general chours, would like to put it to use learning glorious master race language. Any suggestions?

I don't plan to just do it via audio before any one says. I will learn the moon runes as well but I already have those resources

>> No.17429257

>>17429244
I don't know how anybody learns this language memeing about it that hard. Seems like you have no genuine drive.

>> No.17429267

>>17429257
DEAR THREAD USERS

I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN JAPANESE VIA AUDIO WHILE I COMMUTE. CAN YOU PLEASE RECOMMEND ME SOME SUITABLE PRODUCTS?

THANK YOU
ANONYMOUS

>> No.17429282

>>17429267
Pimsleur

Will probably teach you the most important phrases you need

>> No.17429283

>>17429244
>chours
I do the same thing every morning I listen to ~30-50 minutes of japanese and maybe ~20 minutes before bed. It depends on how much you already know... but when I first started I listened to some of the JPod101 lessons that are in the CoR. Now I listen to audio rips of SoL anime and some drama CDs that I found online.

>> No.17429304

>>17429283
>>17429282
Thank you for your help, it is much appreciated.

>> No.17429314

>>17429304
No need for thanks, that's what friends are for.

Lots of hate in these threads, but haters gonna hate, so just keep your head in the game!
xoxo

>> No.17429317

>>17429304
The Pimsleur recommendation is a ruse, my friend. 気をつけて
>>17429314
アンタはヒドイ

>> No.17429324

>>17429221
What a bummer. I was hoping to find a way to integrate the two at the same time. It really seems artificial learning a ton of kanji first without practicing the grammar. Maybe I'll just write up some basic sentences with my newfound vocabulary every so often.

>> No.17429325

>>17429244
>moonrunes
>audio
How would you even do it?
>Number 48, keyword Dr., onyomi ハク. Better be sitting down for this one. The kanji is divided into two parts, left and right. The left part is just Number 10, Ten. The right part is just like Number 48, Specialty, but with a dot at the upper right.

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What is that っと supposed to mean?

>> No.17429335

>>17429325
Some say when you speak the moon the moon shows you how to read the runes.

On a full moon you take your cup of ramen. Add a little water and SHAZAM the noodles become the shape of the words you speak.

>> No.17429353

>>17429329
It doesn't mean anything.
It's a sigh or sound she makes at the beginning of the sentence.

>> No.17429391

>>17429353
That actually makes sense, っと feels like something that pops out of the mouth easily and doesn't really sound like a word. Thanks.

>> No.17429404

>>17429324

Just do core2k dude, literally no reason not to at least start it. It's silly to think you can put grammar off until you've mastered vocab or vice versa

>> No.17429406

>>17429283
>>17429304
Seconding the Drama CD recommendation.
You're forced to follow the dialogue at the speed it's spoken, and there's no way for you to take a quick peek at the translations or answers.
To validate your understanding of the CD after listening, you can sometimes reference it to a source work and compare the written or drawn story to what you got out of your listen.

Plus, the soothing effect of a proper SoL Drama CD is a great match for shitty traffic. Days with better than usual traffic felt sometimes disappointing because I didn't have the time to finish the last chapter for the day.

>> No.17429418

>>17429404
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you, it just feels odd, like the two should be complimenting each other as far as progress goes.

>> No.17429419

>>17429007
Correcting babies doesn't do shit you fucking idiot. They're not intelligent enough. Corrections are just more input.

They are seriously only possibly capable of learning by observation.

>> No.17429443

>>17429419
maybe he meant like a toddler dude no need to seem so buttblasted and call names and act like youre somebody worth listening to

>> No.17429447

>>17429443
There is no fitting treatment other than shame for people who perpetuate disproven falsehoods as if they're scientific consensus.

>> No.17429455

>>17429447
one youre not citing anything two you talk as if science isnt ever evolving and changing and hasnt ever been wrong three get the stick out of your ass

>> No.17429459

>>17429455
I'm sorry that I know more than baby's first folk psychology about language learning, anon.

>> No.17429463

>>17429455
if someone knew anything about language acquisition they would never call it "trial and error"

>> No.17429465

>>17429459
then why are you hanging out here take your knowledge and put it to greater good if you can
>>17429463
if someone knew anything about language acquisition that wouldnt be in this thread period

>> No.17429476

>>17429465
did you seriously just say "ignorance is fit for this thread"

fuck off

>> No.17429480

>>17429463
But anki is trial and error...?

>> No.17429485

>>17429480
that's memorization, not language acquisition

very different things

>> No.17429598

trying something new and throwing myself at the reading route. started trying to read kino's journey, but I feel like I'm depending on yomichan too much
is there something I should be doing differently in this case to help the process?

>> No.17429604

>>17429598
Read more.

>> No.17429633

>>17429598
Buy a book so you can't rely on fancy tools.

>> No.17429638

>>17429598
Try restricting yourself to only looking things up once you've finished a sentence or a paragraph. Failing that, disable the extension while reading. Failing that, read on an application different than your browser, or better yet, read a hard copy.
Just keep in mind that the other extreme, which is reading without any lookups at all and blindly trusting your intepretation/brushing off words or sentences you don't understand, is also a bad way to go.

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1時間の浪費を何とも思わない人間は、人生の価値を見いだせていない

>> No.17429715

>>17429641
楽しくさえあれば浪費じゃない

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context is her laying down the 敷き布団

It seems that she's saying that she laid them out next to each other like the lines of the kanji 川. It's funny because there's more than one kanji for the reading かわ, but I guess this figurative meaning is used by the Japanese only with 川? Have you ever encountered something like that?

>> No.17429773

>>17429770
what are you even talking about

>> No.17429789

>>17429770
Yes 川の字 is a pretty common description idiom, most often used for three people sleeping next to each other.

>> No.17429828

>>17429770
大の字

>> No.17429871

>>17429770
Do you fuck them?

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>>17429871
It's an all-ages game.

>> No.17429937

Is there any way to stop Anki from showing the english translation of the example sentence right away? Working through the Core 2k deck right now.

>> No.17429951

>>17429937
Yes, you have to edit the card layout by pressing the "Cards..." button.

>> No.17429958

>>17429951
You're a lifesaver anon

>> No.17429963

>>17429958
No problem.

>tfw just reached 1000 words mined

>> No.17429965

きょうはヒトがウラン爆縮を

ヒトの空のうえでした日

72ねんまえの

きょう

おにいちゃんもツルを一羽

いのりのために折ってくれませんか

>> No.17429972

https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/kanji-radicals-mnemonic-method/

Thoughts on this?

>> No.17429977

>>17429972
Not japanese.

>> No.17429981

>>17429972
glorified ad for an expensive subscription proprietary flashcard service

>> No.17429983

>>17429972
Learning radicals as an approach to kanji is in the guide

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>>17429972
brute force > memeonics

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>>17429972
I'm level 60 on wanikani, it's not really been worth it.
Maybe it motivated me more because I paid money for it, but that's about it.

I mostly just skimmed over the mnemonics and they naturally left me after a couple of days for each kanji, so I'm not sure if the mnemonics had anything to do with me setting a basis to recall the kanji.

When I mine new kanji now it works just fine without thinking about radicals.

>> No.17430034

Couple questions: Is the Heisig book any good and second, if so, anyone got a full scan of it?

>> No.17430036

>>17430034
No, it's terrible.

>> No.17430042

>>17429977
そこ

にほんじんやとってないって

きいたことがあるよ

>> No.17430051

>>17430034
there's a link in the CoR

>> No.17430060

>>17430034
The kanji learner's course is better than rtk

>> No.17430182

>>17429391
She's basically interrupting herself there

>> No.17430192

Is it normal for stuff marked "basic" in the CoR to have sentences this long:
>ぼくはもうじき十五歳になる十四歳で、ごくごく平凡な中学生をやっていて、友達もいて、好きな女の子もいて、それなりにおもしろおかしく過ごしていた。

It's not that I can't suss them out, but it's tough. Should I try to find something easier?

>> No.17430207

>>17430192
The length of a sentence doesn't really matter. That one has pretty basic grammar. But yeah, shop around a bit if you want. It's going to be difficult at first, no matter what you read

>> No.17430215

>>17430207

That's fair. I'm gonna try to at least plug my way through a chapter or two of it.

>> No.17430246

えいごにはない「て」の文だから

えいごがはなせるおにいちゃんにはよみにくいとおもうよ

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Which accent is the one where they say "~yae" and "-han" a lot again? It makes me doki doki every time.

>> No.17430261

あと26分で

鐘がなるよ

わすれないための

鐘が

>> No.17430263

Anyone have hayashi scores for the cation games? I'm curious where they fit in with the rest of the stuff in the vn scripts list.

>> No.17430267

>>17430246
gerundとかparticipleとかinfiniteとかsubjunctiveとか

多い関係がある文法けど教えた考え方悪いよね、難しそうから

>> No.17430319

8時15分だよ

ふくざつなきもちになるね

わたしたちヒトは

ある支配を否定し

いまの支配を選択した

正しくない選択肢しかなくても

選択することが正しいとしても

あなたたちはころしすぎた

>> No.17430321

Guys, I need help. I've been reviewing kanji to keyword with the KKLC deck of the guide. But I recently discovered that doing so will fuck me over in the future.
Could you guys lead me to the light? Share a deck that can help me learn better?
I seriously want to do this right and as a beginner I don't want to waste myself.
ありがとうございます

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>>17430319

>> No.17430335

>>17430321
>But I recently discovered that doing so will fuck me over in the future
why?

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"Be honest and say its bad, not paying attention to my feelings is irritating me!"

I think that's what she is saying? The 変に気を遣われる part confuses me though. What is the purpose of 変に in that phrase?

>> No.17430356

>>17430335
According to the internet, learning from kanji to keyword will make it harder for me to write them, because I focus on remembering the keyword rather than making up the kanji to write it (key->kanji). And sometimes the keyword is misleading.
I'm honestly overwhelmed but I don't want to give up on this.
I feel like only knowing kanji and keyword won't help much, because I'm missing readings.
I don't know, I just know I want to keep going but in the correct path.

>> No.17430373

>>17430356
"The internet" (whoever that is) is wrong. Their advice is based on RTK, which was designed with the sole purpose of learning by writing. KKLC is not designed this way. Its keywords are beneficial regardless of whether you decide to write.

>> No.17430375

First line of a story called いちょうの実
Struggling to comprehend just the first sentence

>空のてっぺんなんかつめたくてつめたくてまるでカチカチのやきをかけた鋼です。
and やきをかけた鋼 has ruby next to it that says かたくやいた鉄

So we have
>空のてっぺんなんか
around the top of the sky
>つめたくてつめたくて
cold, cold...
>まるでカチカチのやきをかけた鋼です。
there is completely hard, forged steel

I feel like I have it all wrong...

>> No.17430384

>>17430373
So, what do you think would be best for me as a beginner?
I'm looking at the All in One deck but I might not be ready for it.
I'm doing the core2k/6k, I'm fine with it. Kanji is what worries me most.

>> No.17430387

>>17430384
If you're learning vocab in kanji you don't have to worry about isolated kanji study at all. Just do however much you feel like doing.

>> No.17430394

>>17430347
気を遣われる is not negated, it's passive

having her feelings looked out for is irritating her (because she wants you to be honest)

>> No.17430395

>>17430387
Maybe I'm just too scared? But I think it's normal in these cases. I want to learn writing down too.

Anyways, thank you for reassuring me a bit.

>> No.17430400

Are there any good free manga reading apps on iphone? I've looked for one before, but I can never tell if they have untranslated stuff so I never bothered downloading anything. Gonna be leaving for a few days and I'd like have something to practice reading with while I'm out of the house.

>> No.17430403

>>17430356
>>17430384
>>17430395


The KKLC keywords are based on information in the Kodansha Kanji Dictionary by Jack Halpbern, so I wouldn't really worry about the keywords being incorrect. That's one of the advantages of KKLC over RTK is that it's much more current and better researched. RTK supposedly has some bad keywords but I haven't read enough about the subject to comment about what >>17430373 said.

Secondly, KKLC is for training your 外人 brain to recognize and retain kanji by thinking about them as combinations of graphemes/radicals. That way you can retain the kanji through mnemonics that use those radicals. For me so far it has made it a lot easier to recognize kanji in my reading, especially when you get to the point that you know a lot of similar looking kanji. If you do it in moderation along with studying vocab and reading, I think it's a good learning aid.

How are you studying it? Do you write down words a few times as you go? That helps add a little bit of context, especially if you are already familiar with the word. If you can't reproduce the kanji based on the keyword, you might not have practiced writing enough. After a certain amount of time the stroke order begins to feel completely natural and writing kanji becomes very easy.

Last of all, take it easy on yourself. Just the fact that you're studying is good. Japanese is a very difficult language, but with effort you will get there.

>> No.17430431

>>17430321
Adding on to this >>17430403 , after reading your post are you evening using the pdf of the book? There's not point in just drilling the deck, you should download the book and read the introduction which explains how you should be using it.

>> No.17430442

>>17430403
I have limited time, so I started using that deck (just seen 200 kanji or so), and rarely write them down (though I want to).
I'm worried of not getting the appropriate information and I want to correct myself now that I'm at early stages.
I'm probably just confused as to how I should approach my studies. I want to be able to write and read. All of it. And I probably just have an hour a day to study. (Weekends are more of course).

I would appreaciate some direction, but the fact that you're explaining those things to me is useful on itself. I will not give up that's for sure.

>> No.17430450

>>17430431
I have not, is it in the cornucopia?

>> No.17430460

>>17430442
>>17430450
If you're not using the book, then yes, you don't have the appropriate information. It's in the guide resource list under Kanji. Read the introduction to the book (which is pretty long), and the method should become a lot more clear. I recommend doing like 5-10 new kanji a day, that way you'll make it through the entire book in about a year's time. Or you might decide you've gained enough from it and aren't interested in continuing with the book.

>> No.17430475

>>17430394
oh woops, i'm a bit retarded. still though, what is the purpose of 変に in that phrase? seems like you could omit it and the meaning would stay the same?

>> No.17430503

>>17430460
Thank you very much!
私は頑張ります!

>> No.17430554

>>17429598
Just keep doing it because you're not gonna magically know and understand kanji and grammar patterns you you've never seen before. After you get through it and study over the words you mined try reading it again without yomichan

>> No.17430561

>>17430475
The purpose is to describe the 気を遣われる that annoys her as 変. As opposed to the normal, appropriate, expected kind that would probably not be annoying.

>> No.17430587

>>17430403
>Secondly, KKLC is for training your 外人 brain to recognize and retain kanji by thinking about them as combinations of graphemes/radicals.
You retards sure do bend over backwards to restate the exact same bullshit you talk RTK down on, only now claiming it is a good thing in regards to KKLC. I'm convinced that it was originally spammed on /a/ for more underhanded reasons and feel bad for any beginners who fall for that sort of shit idiots like you are constantly vomiting out.

Everytging, and I mean everything you claimed about KKLC can be said, word for word, about RTK. Thr key difference between the two is that KKLC is written poorly and rehashes the same damn radical systems countless other kanji learning books have.

Honestly it was a mistake to allow it added to the guide. Having both RTK and Kanji Damage was too crowded, as they both the shit. Beginners don't need choice and methology zealouts like you have no care at all about the actual learners. Realistically, if the guide had a single key resource for each major aspect of the basics of Japanese, with the rest tucked out of the way as a referential footnote. Learners benefit from choice only once they are up and on their feet.

>Japanese is a very difficult language, but with effort you will get there.
Ironically anons like you are the worst possible influence on beginners because all that conjecture about resources does is bring about uncertainty and hesitation. Better off if all you methology fuckers shut the fuck up and stop rehashing these same dishonest arguments and trying to use the threads and totally-not-samefagging when using conspicuous beginner questions as a platform for shit that both no beginners benefit from and framing it as trying to be helpful when in reality it's spin.

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>>17430587
t triggered kanji koohii moderator

>> No.17430602

>>17430587
I'm sorry, can you try talking about reality? Thanks.

>> No.17430603

>>17430587
You can't learn Japanese.

>> No.17430610

>>17430587
Every Single Last Person I know who used RTK has used it for far too long. I actually do not know a single person who used RTK who used it for less than a year. Meanwhile, they studied basically fuckall outside the most basic of the basic grammar, with zero reading and very little vocabulary acquisition.

I do not know a single person who recommends RTK that is neither a vlogger living in Japan nor a member of what is basically the mimetic RTK cult. There are zero theoretical or empirical arguments in favor of RTK compared to the other kanji resources that came out Right After it, or Even Before It, which are so much better that it's not even funny.

RTK is like pathologically bad. It does the absolute bare minimum necessary to say that it "teaches you kanji", and those things that it does do are done much much better by basically any of the alternatives, even the obscure crappy ones.

>> No.17430636

http://www.kongregate.com/games/tukkun/kana-warrior
have you guys seen this yet? It does a good job tricking me to think I'm having fun while learning kana

>> No.17430645

>>17430610
Sorry to spark dispute.
I just wanted some help.

This guy says KKLC is a better choise.
kanjijourney.weebly.com/uncut-reviews-of-kanji-study-tools

But I crearly came here with the djt guys themselves to know their opinions on how a beginner like me might best approach 日本語.

ごめん

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17430646

You guys aren't kidding about translations. The group doing 三ツ星カラーズ translates リーダー as "Captain".

>> No.17430667

every kid thinks they know better than the translators because they see an english word in katakana not directly translated back as that word

>> No.17430679

>>17430667
but thats wrong, the loan word can mean something completely different to natives..
lately i've seen ギャラリー not as gallery but as onlookers

>> No.17430683

>>17430679
peanut gallery

>> No.17430687

>>17430683
ah is that where they get it from

>> No.17430691

>>17430687
it's the same use of the word gallery

>> No.17430713

>>17430645
I'm the anon who was originally helping you a bit earlier this thread. I picked KKLC after researching several systems because it had what I wanted. It is etymologically sound, it introduces the kanji in a well thought out fashion, it includes vocabulary so that you get exposed to compounds containing kanji you've already studied. The author goes for whichever mnemonic is the most functional. I really like the author's method and it was exactly what I was looking for. Not sure why that guy got so butthurt

>> No.17430717

>>17430667
In some cases but in this case its exactly the same. Changing it to a synonym is pretty pretentious.

>> No.17430724

>>17430713
He got mad because people who subscribe to the RTK "cult" get extremely defensive whenever they see KKLC recommended, because it supersedes RTK in every single way and people who recommend KKLC typically go out of their way to warn against RTK. It's a pathological example of familiarity bias.

>> No.17430728

having trouble configuring yomichan to import to anki, trying to get the cards to look like the core2k/6k cards but having trouble, can someone post their field configuration?

>> No.17430731

>>17430717
just because its the same idea doesnt mean its the right word to use in english

>> No.17430737

>>17429972
I don't have the energy to read the article right now, but from the title it just sounds like Do-It-Yourself RTK.

While we're on the subject of radicals though, why are all the English resources about them so fucking shit? You're forced to use Japanese sites like the one I'll link below if you actually want any accurate or useful information about them.

http://www.k3.dion.ne.jp/~masatono/every/busyu.htm

>> No.17430742

>>17430737
Just use the Kangxi radicals deck for concepts and the indexes in KKLC for regular on'yomi groups.

>> No.17430749

>>17430713
>>17430724
Well guys I'm convinced. Now please answer, there is the core2k6k and also the KKLC 7200.
Should I use one over the other or both are fine?

>> No.17430756

>>17430749
You're best off just doing a couple thousand words in a frequency deck then mining from whatever you want to read. https://vnscripts.neocities.org/stats.html

>> No.17430757

>>17430742
>Kangxi radicals deck
is full of mistakes like every other english resource

if you read about the radicals from japanese sources, you will see how shit and wrong every english resource about them is

>> No.17430761

>>17430757
The Kangxi radicals 2017 deck is based on etymology where it's possible and uses vague shape-like concepts whenever it's not possible. If you have any actual problems with it, state them specifically. As is you're just another one of those guys that recommends J-J resources for the sake of recommending J-J resources.

>> No.17430763

>>17430757
Kanji and their radicals aren't Japanese so if you're not reading classical Chinese linguistics resources you're just getting more misinformation.

>> No.17430767

>>17430728
figured the importing out, just wondering if there's any way to get rid of the dictionary line before the definition.

>> No.17430769

Can the shinmoemanga manga guy ~please~ add back the yonkoma/furigana filters?

>> No.17430777

>>17428508
2日間私はANKIを練習しなかった。

Big fucking mistake.

>> No.17430778

>>17430749
どちらを選択しても結果は同じ

>> No.17430782

>>17430384
>All in One deck
It's based on the kanji meanings you get on Jisho which are shit.

>> No.17430788

>>17430403
>difficult
*different

>> No.17430798

>>17430788
I've learned english, my mother tongue is spanish, I'm aware of the challenges when it comes to a whole different way of communicating the world around me, I'd say.
I really want to thank you all for helping me out, now it's on me to make an effort.
Hasta luego anons!

>> No.17430806

>>17430749
>KKLC 7200
Has no sentences to demonstrate how the words it's "teaching" you are actually used so it's worthless.

Learning words from a deck like that is like learning English words from a thesaurus.

>> No.17430814

>>17430798
hey dude big ups for positive attitudes have a good one

>> No.17430820

That feel when you start working out meanings based on kanji but way of saying it is wrong. I still feel like a wizard.

>> No.17430824

>>17430820
Pronunciation is the easiest part, that is assuming you're a native English speaker. Your shit's all backwards.

>> No.17430836

>>17430824
I assumed he meant reading

>> No.17430839

>>17430836

Yeah I meant reading. I am a native English speaker but I am dumb.

>> No.17431002

I finished "reading" the whole prologue of the first book I've decided to try (文学少女) and I feel pretty happy about that. I was able to get meaning out of it. Of course, I used Rikaisama for a good 99% of the words, but that's normal at first, yeah? I thought core2k would prepare me better for this stuff. Even though I'm only halfway through it.

>> No.17431032

>>17428523
I usually do anki and get good and frustrated (within reason) before I get on /jp/. then i see this and it just makes me laugh. Not sure if it's always you posting this, but thanks anyway.

今日も一日がんばるぞう!

>> No.17431097

>>17431002
>halfway through 2k

knowing only 1k words isn't gonna be enough to prepare you to not look up the majority of the words. That's okay though, just fight through it, mine some shit and keep going on. It'll get easier over time.

>> No.17431099

So I'm starting to learn vocab and for something like 人 on Jisho, there are multiple Kun and On readings. Should I memorize all the readings?

Also, for the Kun readings, there are sometimes "-" and ".". What do those mean?

>> No.17431110

>>17431099
Don't memorize readings. You'll learn readings with words and kanji compounds, either through reading or through a core deck.

>> No.17431114

>>17431099
I think the period represents the break between the kanji reading and the hiragana that follows it (I don't know the term for this although I'm sure there is one).
Example:
動く
うご.く

>> No.17431116

>>17431099
I wouldn't

>> No.17431125

>>17431032
きょうのあんき

広島
原爆
被爆者
折り鶴
火垂るの墓

>> No.17431147

>>17431125
>折り鶴
I think I heard a story in class about a kid with leukemia. He was told if he folded a thousand of those and hung them from the ceiling he would be granted any wish.
A real tear jerker at the time, but now I think about it why didn't he just get a bone marrow transplant

>> No.17431156

>>17431147
Once cancer metastasizes you can't remove it from the body with any kind of certainty. Even if you remove the malignant tumor before then there's a very good chance that whatever caused the malignant tumor is still in your life, be it a genetic issue, exposure to something harmful, or unknown disease, and for tumor that don't present themselves as convenient bulbs of solitary organic material, you don't get 100% certainty with regards to removal, either.

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17431163

>>17430587
>You retards sure do bend over backwards to restate the exact same bullshit you talk RTK down on, only now claiming it is a good thing in regards to KKLC.
But that's not what happened anon. The basic idea behind RTK (associating kanji forms with meanings to improve retention and comprehension) is sound. What was retarded about RTK was its execution.
Heisig encouraged learning ALL the kanji before doing any other study, which is fucking retarded. Then he has a second RTK volume to teach you his partially-accurate, fully-autistic methods for memorizing readings.
KKLC, on the other hand, encourages reading (another /djt/ mainstay, which as an obvious newfaggot, you may not know) as early as possible, orders the kanji for that purpose, and contains key vocab words to learn alongside the kanji. In other words, a non-retarded take on the RTK philosophy. Hence we support it.

>> No.17431169

>>17430667
Reminds me of commie translating ビッチ as "bitch"

>> No.17431194
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17431194

I can't learn Japanese.

>> No.17431207

>>17431099
>Should I memorize all the readings?
Absolutely not.
>Also, for the Kun readings, there are sometimes "-" and ".". What do those mean?
"-" denotes a prefix and "." denotes okurigana. Example: 魔法使い ~ -つか.い
使う ~ つか.う

>> No.17431229

>>17431194
how long are you taking per card if i may ask

>> No.17431239
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17431239

>>17431229
I don't know if there's a "cap" to the avg time, sometimes I might have to walk away for something while doing reviews (and I leave anki open) which might be inflating it.

>> No.17431255

おにいちゃん

おそうじー

>> No.17431310

Why do so many people use Kana only in these threads?

>> No.17431320

>>17431310

DEKINAIKUNS

>> No.17431336

>>17431320
So they aren't doing this on purpose they're just bad?

>> No.17431344

>>17431336
Eh? I'm pretty sure it's harder (i.e. riskier) to type in kana only since pressing space bar to convert to kanji is basically like spellcheck.

>> No.17431403

>>17431336
くぱぁ

>> No.17431437

>>17431239
>13.3s average
download this https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/803940993
and set it to ten seconds
I feel like you might be staring at the one card too long, forcing it out, creating unnecessary stress

>> No.17431450
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17431450

>>17431255
手伝いません~

>> No.17431455

>>17428523
i you get the joyuu down you can basically pull off being a dumb actual japanese person

>> No.17431615
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17431615

>他の皆さんがリングに上がっちゃって解説相手がいなかったんですね!
>Everyone else has climbed onto the ring, there weren't any commentary assistants

Pretty sure I'm interpreting this bubble wrong since it makes no real sense, anyone able to get a meaning out of it that makes sense in context?

>> No.17431662

So when a Japanese person types "wwww", how are they pronouncing that in their head? I've been reading it like "わわわわ” but I was wondering what the most common way is.

>> No.17431669

>>17431662

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.17431681

>体育座り

I love how much information Japanese can convey in just 4 characters.

>> No.17431699

>>17431681

And now that I think of it, I bet this makes twitter way better and more fun for Japanese than English. They can cram an entire short story into 150 characters.

>> No.17431724 [DELETED] 

>>17431681
Yes, it shows how superior the japs & ch^nks are compared to amerikan waito piggus when it comes to writing alien characters.

>> No.17431727

>>17431699
Japanese is the 2nd most popular language on twitter because of that reason I think

>> No.17431739
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17431739

Newfuck here, is there any reason this is marked that way? Is it just for emphasis?

>> No.17431748

>>17431739
yes

傍点

it's basically like underlining text, only in the furigana slot

>> No.17431757

>>17428914
That method worked for me with 90% of the English I know and helped me perfect my Spanish. Not a meme.

I'm not learning Japanese that way but it works if you have a really basic understanding of the language.

>> No.17431789

すいかひやしたよ

おにいさまいっしょにたべよ

>> No.17431795

Are SMT I and II good enough to play for beginners to Japanese?

>> No.17431800

>>17431795
try them and find out

>> No.17431804

>>17431795

Depends on how "beginner" you are and how much time you're willing to spend looking up occult terms and other unfamiliar stuff. But really, it'd take like 5 minutes for you to figure it out yourself, just download a rom and give it a try.

>> No.17431806

>>17431795
I think they're mostly in kana because of system limitations. I haven't played them though.

>> No.17431814

>>17431795
SMT IV has full furigana if you wanna do SMT

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17431817

>>17431789

>> No.17431827

Anki is helping me understand what written kanji translate into english but it isn't helping me understand it verbally. Is there a way to hear it first and then I figure out what was spoken?

>> No.17431832

>>17431827
Japanese has so many homophones that would be suicide. Just consume verbal Japanese.

>> No.17431835

>>17431827

What I like to do is recognize the kanji, then close my eyes and listen to the sentence, and try to understand it. That's not the only Japanese I listen to, but I still think it's probably helping.

>> No.17431838

>>17428914
Nobody said you would actually understand it. Listening to Japanese 24/7 is to train your ears so that, in the future, when you listen to someone say a sentence, you can at least know each sound they are saying.

>> No.17431840

>>17431827
make cards with only audio on the front?

>> No.17431841

オノマトペをどんどんあんきしたほうがいいよ

ごろんごろんでてくるから

>> No.17431892

>>17430667
I'm waiting for some fansub group to translate マイブーム as "my boom"

>> No.17431909

Green means inexperienced in both English and Japanese. Did the Japanese meaning come about independently?

>> No.17431913

>>17431909
no, both come from unripe plants

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17431918

>>17431909
これは

あおです

>> No.17431924

https://youtu.be/sAdy-y9XBqQ
This cutie's english and japanese!

>> No.17431927

>>17431909
Independently but not unrelatedly.

>> No.17431928

>>17431924
If you don't stop shilling your videos here I will personally go to Japan and find out where you live.

>> No.17431929

>>17431924
北京語なまりかな?台湾語なまりかな?

ねいてぃぶではないよ

>> No.17431941

>>17431913
>>17431918
>>17431927
さすが/jp/さん

>> No.17431944

>>17431929
なんでそう思うのか

>> No.17431951

>>17431944
はつおん

>> No.17431954

>>17431615
There was no person he could show off his knowledge with.

>> No.17431968

>>17431615
相手 doesn't usually mean assistant in the cooperative sense, it describes the other party in a mutual exchange or activity. So the 相手 of a commentary would be anybody who might listen to your commentary, or possibly the person that you're commenting on.

>> No.17431972

>>17431951
発音について何がおかしいって教えられる?俺は自然だと思う

>> No.17431985

>>17431972
なにがってぜんぶなまっているよ

おにいちゃんなにいってるの

>> No.17432067

So 天鵞絨 is supposed to be "velvet". But when I google it I get mostly green colors. Why is that?

>> No.17432070

>>17431832
I just want to be able to be able to recognize words when I hear them once I get to the point I can start listening to things in Japanese such as anime but I'm worried that despite learning the kanji I won't be able to put two and two together on the spot.

>> No.17432100

>>17431681
You would love http://www.yojijukugo.net/ then.

>> No.17432117

Is 僕 ever actually read as しもべ?

>> No.17432121

>>17428508
is SUBStoSRS literally the best thing ever?

you hear everything and its directly in anki. trying to translate manga for learning purposes seems like a giant waste of time when this exists.

>> No.17432128

>>17432117
I read it as ぼく instinctively, but I also don't know Japanese, so take this with a grain of salt.

>> No.17432134

>>17432121
It's not bad, but you have to rely on a translation that was probably not made with a language learner in mind.

>> No.17432145

>>17432117
I've seen it used as such in dirty manga after some heroines get corrupted into evil 性奴隷

>> No.17432151

>>17432134
yeah i noticed this as well. i always cross check with several translations and look for subs of groups that translate rather literally.

still when i think about how grueling slow and painful manga translation exercises are this is just gold.

>> No.17432167

>>17430431
>There's not point in just drilling the deck, you should download the book and read the introduction which explains how you should be using it.
Different anon, here, excuse me if this is a stupid question but do I really have to do more than drilling an Anki deck to learn the kanji? I thought individual kanji study only mattered for making studying vocab a bit easier and since the guide says I could as well skip it altogether, I figured it's not that important to spend much time on it so all I did was download the RTK deck and I have been learning kanji from it for now. Am I actually doing something really wrong here?

>> No.17432168

>>17432117
Yes, but I've only seen it used that way with furigana, even in works that barely use any furigana otherwise

>> No.17432170

>>17432167
Thinking about kanji study at all is doing it wrong.

>> No.17432173

>>17432167
And this is why RTK has such a bad reputation.
People try to use it without reading the instructions, then get angry when they find out that RTK doesn't teach them japanese (it's not trying to)

>> No.17432174

>>17432170
What do you mean?

>> No.17432187

The only way to do Kanji study is to review Keyword -> Kanji and to gradually replace Keyword with vocabulary as you acquire words containing the learned Kanji. Everything else is flawed.

>> No.17432199

丼がたべたい

おなかすいた

>> No.17432209

>>17432173
It doesn't matter what it says it does. What matters is it doesn't teach you Japanese. Nobody who's trying to learn Japanese should use RTK. Nobody should recommend RTK as material for learning Japanese.

>> No.17432210

>>17432209
Yeah RTK has a bad reputation because of people like him pretending it's not causing problems when it obviously actively is.

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>>17432117
I've seen it used that way, but with furigana.
I think it was a JRPG.

>> No.17432233

>>17432199
おかずは

>> No.17432257

>>17432233
あ・た・し

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>>17432257

>> No.17432277

>>17432272
わっふるわっふる

>> No.17432278

>> No.17432298

>been really going hard at study for the past few months
>find myself occasionally beginning to write a sentence in Japanese when I intended English
>If someone asks a question that I don't really need to think about to answer, occasionally the answer comes out in Japanese even though I didn't intend for it to

I can't tell if this is a good or bad thing.

>> No.17432302

>>17432298
Depends on how much you interact with other people.

>> No.17432314

>>17432298
That's totally normal.

Your brain just takes some time to switch between Japanese and English. It'll go away.

>> No.17432316

I want to play a VN that's easy to understand and also doesn't have furigana. It's need to popular enough to actually be seeded on torrent sites. I've never played a VN so I know nothing. Help a brother out.

>> No.17432319

>>17432316
Oh yeah, and nothing with an excessive amount of kana in general either please.

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17432320

>read paragraph
>realize you have no idea what it meant

>> No.17432322

>>17432316
Almost all VNs have few furigana. It's not manga dude. And you also failed to list your interests, the most important part when picking something to read.

>> No.17432329

>>17432320
Not every paragraph has to mean something.
Sometimes text is just superfluous.

頑張って!

>> No.17432335

In japan they don’t say ‘I love you’ they say 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 which doesn’t mean anything it just spells out 'Extra Thicc’ in japanese symbols.

>> No.17432358

>>17432335
That's nice, but are you positive that those are, in fact, "japanese symbols"?

>> No.17432363

>>17432335
超膨張太もも

>> No.17432364

>>17432322
I don't really have any specific interests in terms of genre or anything like that. I guess I like good character interactions. But if you think it's good that's enough for me, I just don't want my choice to be completely random. If I'm not having fun I'll move on.

>> No.17432370

>>17432364
>I guess I like good character interactions.
Try ひまわり -Pebble in the Sky- then.

>> No.17432374

>>17432370
Thanks, will do.

>> No.17432490

>>17432335
But thicc is just obese, which thankfully doesnt work in japan

>> No.17432493

Happy 原子爆弾 day!

>> No.17432499

>lowered cards so I would get less reviews too
>reviews decrease day by day, yet I keep taking the same amount of time to review
I mean, my stats seem fine, but should I be worried?

>> No.17432508

>>17432499
Not all cards take the same amount of time. Your review time may be staying the same because your mature cards are still increasing and you have more problems with those than with young cards.

>> No.17432515

>>17432493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUt5oFL3Qk

Time to celebrate

>> No.17432566

How do i memorize all the conjugations? There are too many of them.

>> No.17432567

>>17432210
I have no idea if it's causing me problems or not, though, but from what I am reading in this thread it sounds like it does. I am guessing I should restart using different material.

>> No.17432582

>>17432566
Read.

Grammar is acquired automatically over time. Don't memorize anything or you'll just confuse yourself over which rule to use where.

>> No.17432586
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17432586

Reminder that if you're not having fun then you're doing it wrong.

Unless you're learning kanji...

>> No.17432592

>>17432566
you don't

https://www.youtube.com/user/lingosteve/search?query=grammar

>> No.17432620

>>17432567
RTK is good at what it's trying to do (teaching you how to remember and distinguish kanji by giving each of them a unique name). You can go through it relatively quickly (~3 months) and then start actually learning japanese without being afraid of kanji.
RTK is not good at what people think it does (teaching you japanese). Some people try it, find out they still can't read any japanese after going at it for a while and angrily quit. Other try to fix it by changing the cards to include vocab and are basically creating their own (probably inferior) learning material that isn't actually RTK anymore while massively increasing the amount of time it takes them to go though it. Then they all blame RTK for being bad at teaching japanese.

If you understand what RTK is trying to do and don't waste too much time on it, it can be useful. It's definitely not necessary to learn japanese though.

>> No.17432737

If you tell yourself that as reading becomes easier you will do it more because it will be effortless

you are lying to yourself, you will still just post on 4chan all day

If it's something you don't do in English, you won't do it in Japanese either that is the sad reality

5 years later I can read anything in Japanese I want without a dictionary, but I don't because it turns out it has nothing to do with what language I'm reading

If you don't read in English you won't end up reading in Japanese, simple as that

>> No.17432756

>>17432737
I don't read comics but I read a shit ton of manga. I read it more now because its near effortless. Besides, I'm not learning Japanese to read novels.

>> No.17432758

>>17432737
What? I'm pretty sure people aren't learning Japanese here for the sake of consuming literature. It's either that people are interested in Japanese media like games, anime, manga, VN or whatever or they have personal reasons to learn Japanese but I suppose that's more /int/ territory. In the first place why would you start learning a language you have no use for? The more I think about it the more the entire point of your post eludes me.

>> No.17432759

>>17432737
I never liked reading English books and have already finished over 50 novels in Japanese over the last 2 years, while reading every single day for at least an hour. So no, your theory is wrong. You just don't like Japanese media and made a bad life decision.

>> No.17432766

>>17432737
I stopped reading//playing/watching anything to have time for anki

>> No.17432780

>>17431662
I always read it as われわれわ (although I have no idea why)

>> No.17432785

>>17431662
i read it as fourじゃないwan

>> No.17432792

>>17431662
I don't read it

>> No.17432795

>>17431662
I read it as wüwüwü

>> No.17432810

>>17431827
>>17432070
You just need to practice listening more. Training your ear is an important part of language acquisition. Watch your favorite anime and turn off the subtitle track.

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17432828

こんばんは、痴女です。あたしの口とマンコとアナル3穴同時レイプしてください。肉便器になりたい!

>> No.17432834

I'm trying to use the RTK Deck from the DJT Cornocopia of Resources, but I've got some weird issues - specifically when importing it, the first card is always "Sparkle" instead of "one", and I don't know how screwed up the rest of the 2200 card ordering is.

I was trying to start again with the RTK since I had left it for so long building on stories wouldn't make sense, so I tried a plugin command to reset my deck progress. This fucked my deck entirely, so I deleted it (and then the plugin), and eventually found the Coronocopia version and got that.

Installing the Cornocopia RTK deck leads to weird behaviour though. I do have it set to "Show New Cards in Order Added", so that's taken care of, but when I go to study the deck, the first card is "Sparkle".

I've used the Browse button to open the deck listing, and the card's Sort order is OK. Going down the list it seems that when browsing them one by one using the sort order, everything is in RTK order as far as I can see.

However, it seems to have assigned the first 21 cards a Due value between 2200 and 2220. Thus the start stuff seems to have been put at the end for some reason?

I'm not sure whether the DJT apkg file is screwed, or whether I'm doing something wrong, or something even more exotic is happening.

Anyone have any ideas on what is happening or what to do? I just want to learn things in order.

>> No.17432854

>>17431662
wwwwuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>> No.17432861

>>17432834
in the deck browser, make sure the cards are sorted the way you want, select them all, then Edit-->Reposition

>> No.17432871

>>17432854
how do you feel about the twitch text to voice version
https://clips twitch tv/ShyCarelessPterodactylWutFace

>> No.17432875

>>17432566
There really aren't that many

>> No.17432887

>>17432167
>Am I actually doing something really wrong here?
Yes. Download the resource you are using and read from it. Better yet just skip RTK and download KKLC from the guide. Read the introduction which explains the mnemonic system. If you're not using the mnemonics you're better off just memorizing vocab. Or if you're too lazy to look for it and download it, you can go inside the book on amazon and read the introduction there by going inside the book (You can read quite a bit of it for free) https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268

>> No.17433028

>>17432861
thanks anon.
seems to have worked - though maybe someone else should check whether they get the same problem and whether the DJT deck needs to be fixed and reuploaded?

>> No.17433265

>>17431662
literally laughing

>> No.17433390

>>17432780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ce5hdGIdgY

>> No.17433406

>>17433265
So when you see "lol" you hear someone laugh?

>> No.17433428

>>17433406
the japanese know how our letters are said, small dick boy.

>> No.17433443

>>17433406
this is unrelated

>> No.17433508
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17433508

Is this really in the top 200 words?

>> No.17433529

>>17433508

Did you mean 2000? IIRC it shows up around 500 or 600. I think "tap water" is pretty useful.

>> No.17433560

>>17433508
Note that 水道 isn't actually the water itself, it's the water supply.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B0%B4%E9%81%93
If you're talking about the water, you want to use 水道の水

>> No.17433574

>>17433508
The rankings are based on newspaper usage.
Any article about some natural disaster somewhere in Japan would likely include a reference to disruption in public services including water.
Also, if announcements are counted the stats would be inflated by any mention of public works that affect the availability or potability of tapwater.

>> No.17433604

>>17433508
I've seen 水筒 way more often.
I think I've maybe seen 水道 once outside of anki but I don't really read newspapers.

>> No.17433616

>>17433508
I hope you know that's not the Core 2K/6K deck linked in the guide.

>>17433604
It shows up in the first volume of Yotsuba. Japanese people use it to refer to drinking taps

>> No.17433623

Can I learn kanji just from the 2k/6k deck without having to learn it isolated?

>> No.17433631

>>17433623
Yes and no.
Certainly not enough to pass the kanji kentei.

>> No.17433640

>>17433623
Depends on what you mean by "learn kanji". You can certainly learn them well enough for 99% of use, because the vocab is all the kanji is used for.

Maybe you need to supplementary study if you want to learn how to write them by hand properly.

>> No.17433642

>>17433640
I'm mostly just focusing on speaking and reading, not so much writing

>> No.17433653



Is this used at all, or is it mostly ダム?

>> No.17433660

>>17432620
>by giving each of them a unique name
That's not what makes Kanji easy to remember/recognize, what makes them easy to recognize is breaking them down into components (primitives, radicals, etc) and creating vivid stories that relate those components to the whole to match it back up with the keyword.
It seems like if someone just downloads the deck, they won't be coming up with the memory aids and are just brute forcing a useless keyword onto a kanji. If that's what people are doing, no wonder they hate it.
I went through RTK in around 2 months 2 years ago and I felt that it helped me instantly recognize kanji while coming across them on vocabulary cards. In my case, I used the koohii forums to help come up with stories and alternate keywords.
After finishing RTK and starting vocob I just let my RTK deck slide by never clicking 'again' unless I didn't recognize the kanji at all which almost never happens.

>> No.17433675

>>17433660
>memory AIDS
this is how you know it's harmful

>> No.17433702

>>17433675
What are you talking about? They're easy to set up and work for the short term while you get used to the actual shit and fade away once they've served their purpose.

>> No.17433711

>>17433702
Same thing happened to me with wanikani mnemonics.

I don't think I remember even one of them.

>> No.17433732

stop using the anki meme and pick up a real book like genki

>> No.17433755

>>17433732
This will blow your mind:
You can use Anki to remember the material you learned from Genki

>> No.17433767

Should I be adding every new word I encounter to my anki deck or just the ones i've seen at least twice?

>> No.17433769

>>17433755

I was talking about all the retards that think that only doing anki can make you an N2

>> No.17433774

Why is 男 - male but 男性 also male?

>> No.17433776

>>17433767
The rarer the better.

If you see them at least twice you'll pick them up naturally.

>> No.17433779

>>17433767

if after 3 times you encounter the kanji and still don't remember it, quit learning Japanese

>> No.17433791

>>17433774
男 is the more colloquial, informal term.
男性 is used for shit like bathrooms and legal documents I believe.

>> No.17433855
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17433855

and what is your average number of cards you review/learn daily?

>> No.17433861

>>17433855
10 new cards, around 200 reviews

>> No.17433900

>>17433855
9 new, 71 reviewed a day

At least that's what anki stats tells me. I have 10306 cards though and only 200 are not mature.

>> No.17433927

>>17433900
How can I track how good I know my kanji?

>> No.17433929

>>17433927
Kanji Grid

>> No.17433933
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17433933

Hello guys, I wondered if anyone else is experiencing this. Basically my quality of sleep has severely decreased a couple months after I started learning Japanese. It seems like I am in a state of constant restlessness during the time I am supposed to sleep, it's similar to dreaming just without the rest. Basically my mind is stuck in a constant state of reviews that just never seem to end. Usually I do manage to get like 3 hours of proper sleep per night but I wish I could just use all of my sleeping time efficiently rather than turning and sweating and panicking over failed reviews coming back over and over again. Even though I should know those reviews aren't real I feel like I am in a state where my mind is being prevented from really shutting down because it thinks "I can't sleep until I get those reviews done" but it just never happens. The next day I usually get retentions consistently over 90% so those head reviews may actually be doing something but I'd rather sleep properly, anyone know what I mean?

>> No.17433936
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17433936

>>17433927
What >>17433929 said.

I rarely use it though, I don't usually look at my stats.
This is just my mining deck.

>> No.17433942

>>17433936
Somehow it can't detet my current deck I started.
I have around 120 kanji over there at the moment and grid tells me there are 0 unique kanji found.
How come?

>> No.17433954

>>17433942
You have to tell it how the field containing the kanji is called.
For core I think it's vocabulary-kanji.

>> No.17433962
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17433962

>> No.17433972

>>17433954
Where can I put some words for my kanji deck for it to be detected by grid?

>> No.17433975

>>17433954
I left it blank and it still worked for me.

>> No.17433979

>>17433942
uncheck the box [match exactly]

>> No.17433984

>>17433979
still nothing

>> No.17434006

>>17433972
open your kanji deck and find the field that has the kanji in it.

>> No.17434010

>>17433933
Go see a psychiatrist and get addicted to some drugs, that might fix it.

>> No.17434015

>>17433933
Try a secret remedy known to mankind for centuries.

Masturbate before going to bed.

>> No.17434037

>>17434006
I looked for it and now it gives me an error.
F U C K
Why is Anki so backwards

>> No.17434112
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17434112

>>17433962
my penis is bigger

>> No.17434131

>>17434112
Hello, I hope you're enjoying your first month on DJT.

>> No.17434144

>>17434131
what are you implying anon?

>> No.17434146

大丈夫!

君ならやれば出来る!

>> No.17434165

>>17434146
どう見ても大丈夫じゃない

>> No.17434177

>>17434165
もっと自信を持ったほうがいい

>> No.17434186

My Anki refused to load any of my profiles, so I restarted it. Now everything is gone.

Anyone got a good method of killing myself?

>> No.17434193

>>17434186
If your recourse is going on DJT and crying rather than restoring your data using one of the million ways in which one can restore Anki files, you should indeed kill yourself.

>> No.17434197

>>17434193
Don't worry, I've already tried. Everything seems to have gone. Even media and such.

>> No.17434200

>>17434186
See it as a blessing from the Japanese learning gods. Now you can actually start reading instead of droning.

>> No.17434201

>>17434186
Just mine again from scratch. If you're reading everyday, it's no big deal

>> No.17434204

>>17434144
The lack of mature cards reviewed, probably.

>> No.17434210

>>17434197
Should've synced to ankiweb then.

>> No.17434212

>>17434197
Did you look in
C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Anki2
?

>> No.17434213

>>17434186
>>17434197
Sucks to be you.

Once a week I copy my anki files to a usb stick just in case.
I know it makes backups on it's own but I don't trust it.

>> No.17434219

>>17434186
why kill yourself now youre free to learn japanese

>> No.17434221

>>17434212
Yeah, the only profile it has is User 1 which is the standard profile.

I guess this is why you don't install betas.

>> No.17434224

>>17434186
>tfw synced to ankiweb
>3 devices all have backups besides that
I'm pretty confident in this setup

>> No.17434229

Doesn't everyone have a phone these days? Just Anki on your phone even if you don't use it. It's already close to impossible to lose your files because it does a shitton of backups on its own. Even if your entire hard drive dies, if you synced your data you get it right back from Ankiweb. Now let's say you're an honest to god pants shitting retard and actually managed to sync your broken collection (even though it asks every time once you make any major changes) AND fuck up your hard drive, if you have a second device you can just have it upload to Ankiweb and your entire data is restored again. Unless you're actively trying to purge all your data I really don't see how it's even remotely possible to do.

>> No.17434234

>>17434221
This once happened to me and as stupid as it sounds, what made everything magically reappear was downloading the latest Anki build and reinstalling it. Can't explain why but one day I went to do reviews and suddenly it went back to having the default profile and nothing else was there, but after installing the latest version the old profiles were back.

>> No.17434255

Hey guys, it's me again, the spanish beginner.
I found that there is no way to make ankiweb work for me. I thought I could add decks directly from it to the web app.
But you'll see, as a poor latino guy, it had to happen that my computer got destroyed because my sister doesn't know how to walk. And the only way to do my reviews is through ankiweb.

Would anybody be so kind to make me a profile with the kklc combined deck and the core 2k/6k?

That would help me out a lot. 田つけて下さい

>> No.17434261

>>17434255
あんた、出来ない

>> No.17434269

>>17434255
Post a link to the decks.

>> No.17434291

>>17434269
KKLC
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/779483253
Core2k6k
https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU

Thank you!

>>17434261
なぜ?

>> No.17434303

>>17434291
This may take a little bit. Going to need an email address or some place I can send you the details, unless you want the ankiweb email and password posted in the thread (not a great idea).

>> No.17434327

>>17434303
id bet you alot of pesos you could post a ankiweb login in here and no one would fuck with it

>> No.17434343

>>17434303
Okay guy, for being so helpful I'll let you meet me.
Send the mail here: superboy_5tmm@live.com.mx

>>17434327
I would agree, 4chan is full of shit but you guys are pretty cool, son chingones.

>> No.17434345

>>17434221
Search your computer for .apkg and .anki2 files. Or try using recuva, if it was recent and you haven't downloaded too much porn one of the collection file or one of the 30 different back-ups file Anki keeps might still be intact.

>> No.17434351

I sure thought that was entirely ironic but it doesn't seem that way judging from the flow of conversation. Maybe I am the one that is out of place.

>> No.17434403

>>17434343
A temporary email would have been fine, but okay. That's what I used to create the Ankiweb account.
Anki is syncing the Core2k6k deck at the moment and could take up to an hour to do so. Once it is done I'll send you the details and delete the profile from my computer. My advice would be to change the email and password asap, then get yourself a cheap Android phone, download Ankidroid and sync the profile.

Check your spam inbox within the next hour. You will receive an anonymous email with a link to a temporary pastebin with the details. It will expire within a day so if you don't grab it by then, you'll be shit out of luck.

>> No.17434410

Where can i get jj dictionary files to use on the qolibri?

>> No.17434411

>>17434403
Will do.
Gracias buen anon.

>> No.17434582
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17434582

Why do some words have images instead of normal kanji? It's the J-E EPWING dictionary from the CoR

>> No.17434601

question regarding names

can all readings of a kanji be used for naming? it seems that naming isn't limited to the nanori reading, but not all readings seem to be used for naming. or am i wrong on that?

>> No.17434607

>>17434601
You don't even have to use any of the readings.

>> No.17434614

>>17434601
For names you can do whatever the fuck you want

>> No.17434620
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17434620

このバナナ食べてみてください

>> No.17434627

>>17434614
recently i have had that impression, but wouldn't it
be weird to name someone like 糞野郎 ? is it even legal?

>> No.17434632
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17434632

>>17434411
Message sent, screencap as proof of Ankiweb account. Best of luck.

>> No.17434633

>>17434627
That probably wouldn't be accepted, no. I meant more in terms of making up your own readings etc as >>17434607 said

>> No.17434636

>>17434627
糞 isn't jouyou or jinmeiyou, so that one definitely won't be allowed

>> No.17434650

I downloaded some J-J dictionaries from the cor and that onedrive link, but they dont show up on qolibri. What causes this?

>> No.17434654

>>17434650
I don't know

>> No.17434661

>>17434650
>qolibri
Quality of Life after Brain Injury?
http://www.qolibrinet.com/

>> No.17434670

>>17434661
https://pt.osdn.net/projects/qolibri/releases/

>> No.17434695
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17434695

>> No.17434720

>>17430646
Where you get raws from? I don't belong to any secret clubs.

>> No.17434738
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17434738

>>17434720
Its in the guide.
https://shinmoemanga.neocities.org/
If its not there, you can try your luck on nyaa or even just google it.

>> No.17434752

>I need to focus on other things and will probably not respond to feedback. If an update is needed, someone can always download the offline version and make a new site on Neocities.

>> No.17434823

>>17430257
korean

>> No.17434933

>>17434752
who are you quoting?

>> No.17434935

>>17434933
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nC03SCIiEy_4S0Ivv56dADu46sAWh5YANFB4gFuNChI/pubhtml?widget=true&headers=false&chrome=false

>> No.17434937

>>17434933
Die.

>> No.17434964

>>17434937
rude

>> No.17435023

>>17434632
I have not received the mail. Damn it.
Well, I still want to thank you for the effort made.
It might had to do with temporary mail stuff but anyways.

度もありがとう

>> No.17435044

in hindsight, what were some things you could look back and be ashamed of having done so?

>sticking up with kanjidamage for months
is mine

>> No.17435047

I'm only 140 words or 5 days into core6k, should i swap to core10k so i don't have to do the the first 6000 again in order if i want to do core10k at some point and i probably do

>> No.17435056

>>17435047
core6k is fine, after you get a good base with it, maybe past 2k, start reading and mining.

>> No.17435071
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17435071

So this has happened where when I had to restore my data due to some corruption, the due dates for all reviewed cards in my decks inexplicably jumped several years. Is there a way of reversing this, or do I have to reset all of my decks somehow?

>> No.17435093

>>17430646
What do they translate 大佐 as?

>>17435023
https://pastebin.com/wVr8LEny

>> No.17435101

>>17435044
I did the same thing, which actually helped my retention because just jumping into core was pretty difficult. However, I stopped doing core for those months while doing kanjidamage.

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17435157

>>17435093
Hands down best anon, heaven might be an illusion but you fucking deserve that shit.
Estoy extremadamente agradecido.

Forever yours, spa anon.

>> No.17435176

what are some good nip radio stations you like to listen to? mostly talk shows
i don't feel like going through hundreds of stations to find something that doesn't play instrumental music all the time

>> No.17435194

>>17435176
i listen to these chuckfucks using miro http://hkbk.fm/

>> No.17435202

>>17435176
tbs954

>> No.17435280

>>17435194
is this actually quality content? i only started week ago and if it's actually fun i'm not sure i want to listen to it when i can't understand much at all yet

>> No.17435303

>>17433933
Fuck.
I laughed at this post when I saw it now the same thing is happening to me
I'm 2 hours into trying to fall asleep but every time I doze off I get to that same state and I wake up minutes later finding out one been doing reviews in my head the whole time
This is like experiencing the tetris effect but on steroids
it's much more draining and it won't let your sleep
I want to sleep god dammit

>> No.17435335
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17435335

Is Kana Town a good app for learning hiragana/katakana relatively fast (without being tought the strokes)

>> No.17435420

>>17435335
It's meh
I used it to learn hiragana
I learned katakana through the combination of that and nukemarine's remembering the kana video series and thought that it was significantly faster
But imo using anki deck instead of kanatown would be even faster than that

>> No.17435512

>>17435335
Hags do not deserve to feel love or pleasure.
Please refrain from posting such grotesque imagery in future.
Thank you.

>> No.17435537

fucked up my inputs on my anki imports and now the front of the flash card has furigana. is there an easy way to edit all of them to delete that but keep it on the backside?
stupid fucking question I know but I've added quite a few cards today.

>> No.17435546

>>17435512
>t. was not loved by his mother

>> No.17435558

【泡を食う】と【一泡吹かせる】の「泡」は、唾とは関係ないそうです。
「慌てる」の語幹「あわ」に、「泡」の字を当てただけのようです。

>> No.17435590

へー

>> No.17435643

Should I edit the anki deck so I hear the word too when I see the kanji so I know how to recognize it when it is spoken or will I learn better if I keep it as is?

>> No.17435667

>>17435280
>if it's actually fun
its two リア充 talking about stuff they like, hardly compelling dude
i have it on while playing vidya and barely catch anything, im just trying to get comfortable with normal pace conversation

>> No.17435727

>>17435643
i think it helps me immeasurably. but some people think cucumbers taste better pickled. I do a "custom study" on my anki decks a few times a week where I'll not look at the screen until i've pressed space, and remembered/guessed based on hearing the word. things like 好き/ 空き fuck me up, but it helps me to remember the homonyms. try it and see if it helps after a week or so

>> No.17435734

>>17435727
>>17435643
i meant 好き /  月 that shit fucks me up daily. but also, im bad

>> No.17435769
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17435769

Have you ever dropped a show just because you couldn't understand it very well and you felt that watching it with subs is accepting defeat? I just did that with the currently airing Symphogear and I feel really guilty. Now all I watch is children's shows and New Game.

>> No.17435805

>>17435734
Everyone is.
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/aim-to-fail/

>> No.17435832

>>17435537
Change the card template, move the furigana field to the back.

>> No.17435909

1500 RTK cards due
do I just delete it?

>> No.17435916

>>17435909
no u little bitch, get to work, do u even really want to 日本語???

>> No.17435918

>>17435909

>RTK

Yes.

>> No.17435924

so I finished reading up Tae Kim's grammar guide the other day. I liked reading it during downtime at work cause the lessons were very short & simple so I could read through them fast. Is there anything similar that I could read for my downtime at work? I could probably just read nhk easy articles since those are short, but more grammar resources would be nice too

>> No.17435936

>>17435924
Time to unlearn everything you learned from Tae Kim and read Sakubi instead.

>> No.17435946

>>17435936
not the same guy, but any particular reasons?

>> No.17435949

>>17435946
No it's just a meme.

>> No.17435956

>>17435936
>>17435949

yeah, no memes please. some serious suggestions would be cool

>> No.17435957

>>17435924
Dude stop obsessing over grammar and read some damn Japanese.

>> No.17435974

>>17435957

Seconding this, I started reading recently and can feel myself getting better at Japanese in real time.

Just kidding, I still completely fucking suck, but being able to choke some meaning out of these sentences is pretty satisfying.

>> No.17435978

>>17435957
i read jp at home. its harder to read jp during downtime at work since i can't mine shit on my phone. Been going through はなひらっ the past week and it hasn't been bad at all.

>> No.17436049

>>17435978
Read a grammar dictionary like HJGP then.

>> No.17436202

>>17435974
>being able to choke some meaning out of these sentences is pretty satisfying.
It feels really fucking good, but as I progress I keep wanting to do more and more so it's hard to feel satisfied.

>> No.17436291

>>17435924
How about reinforce what you read from TK by reading NHK Easy News?

>> No.17436333

>>17435978
>i can't mine shit on my phone.
The rikai phone app has an option to add words to a text file, after you can transfer the file to your PC and add those words to anki.
I think it also has an option to add it directly to your anki app but I never really wanted to experiment with it.

>> No.17436391

おはようおにいちゃん

たいへんなんだよ

台風がきているんだよ

500ミリの雨だよ

>> No.17436445

>>17436391
おはよう妹
久しぶりに会えたけど苺ましまろのイメージはもう使えないのね

>> No.17436446 [DELETED] 

If you're learning Japanese so you can live in Japan, stop, this country is shit

>> No.17436451 [DELETED] 

>>17436446
Fuck off, faggot.
>>>/int/

>> No.17436468 [DELETED] 

>>17436451
I don't care if you want to be delusional about the quality of living in this country, I'm just posting this as a fair warning.

>> No.17436469 [DELETED] 

>>17436446
It literally can't be worse than the shithole I'm living right now.

>> No.17436473

>>17436445
しー

たらこにみつかるー

>> No.17436475 [DELETED] 

>>17436468
And I'm telling you I don't give a shit. If you want to shitpost about Japan go to /int/. Did you select a thread at random in /jp/ just to post this shit?

>> No.17436479 [DELETED] 

>>17436469
Which country?
>>17436475
You obviously give a shit because you're replying to me. I've been a DJT regular for years. It's very relevant to the subject of the thread.

>> No.17436502

Why is it so hard to find manga I actually like that actually has legible kanji/furigana

>> No.17436505

>もう何がなにやら
I can't really make sense of this, besides maybe expressing exasperation. Is there a nice translation for this?

>> No.17436515

>>17436505

>no context provided

pwease

>> No.17436518

>>17436505
Do you really think the Japanese are actually trying to mean something half of the time noises come out of their mouths? lmao

>> No.17436522

>>17436515
もう何がなにやら
About 620,000 results

>> No.17436535

>>17436522
You forgot quotes, but yes, it gets enough results to be a grammatical construction that does not necessarily need context. However, context always makes it easier to know that the grammatical construction is being used in a given way if the construction has multiple uses with different meanings, or if the construction is often misused or can be used to mean something unrelated to the normal construction.

>> No.17436558

>>17436535
I was simply looking for a loose meaning or at least given some direction to what it can mean, but fortunately I found an answer that I glossed over by mistake in Google. しまった
But I guess I'm just reminded that posting here is pointless now anyways.

>> No.17436608

>>17435071
Edit-->Reschedule in the card browser

>> No.17436613

>>17436558
yeah this threads pretty useless for asking questions half the time context or not. Read more or something

>> No.17436632

Converting LN epub into HTML with calibre. How to keep the images?

>> No.17436644

今日(A)台風(B)家(C)外(D)雨(E)風(F)強い

てにをはをいれてね。3つくらいあってればつたわるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>> No.17436676

>>17436505
It means "Everything's gotten messed up"

>> No.17436702

>>17436644
今日は台風で家の外に雨と風が強い

>> No.17436703

any advice for reading a VN for the first time? wanted to know how people usually go through the process. already adding all the words I'm not familiar with to a deck and after these few days of reading the stack is growing decently sized.

>> No.17436708

>>17436703
Read more, basically.

>> No.17436716

>>17436703
just add the words and keep reading. I got like a 1000 words from my first VN

>> No.17436736

>>17436702
すごーいどうしてできるの?

だいたいあっててびっくりしたよ

>> No.17436739

>>17436703
Add the words, but try to avoid creating a huge backlog.

What I mean by this is try to learn as much as possible, like 50 new cards initially. You'll remember them much better if your memory is still fresh.

My mining deck had a backlog of 800 cards once and by the time I got to them it was pure hell.
Don't overwork yourself but also try to keep it small.

>> No.17436744

>>17436739
That's really retarded advice. Never ever do 50 cards. Backlog is fine, just keep the new card count at something you're comfortable at (10-20) and you won't have any problems overworking yourself.

>> No.17436745

>>17436736
どうしてって、俺は最高だから
お前らのような出来ない子じゃない

>> No.17436750

>>17436739
I followed this advice and it's just retarded. Only do this if you want to become a slave to Anki.
>>17436744
This is much more sensible.

>> No.17436766

>>17436744
How is 50 new cards overworking yourself?

You'll hit easy on ~60% of the cards and you're left with 20 you actually need to learn.

>> No.17436781

Are radicals worth it?

>> No.17436792

>>17436766
If I knew a word just by looking at it once, I wouldn't need to mine it

>> No.17436800

Is it still possible to download visual novel reader? I want to use it to text hook a psp visual novel but I can't find it anywhere

>> No.17436801

>>17436792
Easy means you're confident you'll recall it after 4 days, not that you know the word.

>> No.17436804

>>17436800
There is no reason to use that garbage program, ever.

>> No.17436803

>>17436800
It's being maintained by a russian who distributes it exclusively through a shady registration-only website. Just use ITHVNR. VNR hasn't actually made any major changes to the texthooking in a long time, just added more hook codes.

>> No.17436809

>>17436801
I can't recall a word after 4 days just by seeing it once.

>> No.17436812

>>17436804
>>17436803
Csn I get ith to work with a psp emulator?

>> No.17436816

>>17436812
ITHVNR, not ITH. Yes, ITHVNR works with PPSSPP.

>> No.17436818

>>17436745
ステイツじゅうざいのゲルマンのあのん?

>> No.17436846

nanatsuiro drops hook code
/HBN-C*0@3E3C1:nana.exe

>> No.17436870

>>17436846
For reference this game is easier and/or better than Flyable Heart, by the same creators, and the only reason it's not recommended as a first VN is because it's hard to texthook.

>> No.17436872
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17436872

I don't want to do my reps today.

What do you do once you're this far in? Do them once a month?

>> No.17436873

>>17436816
Thanks I got it to work.

>> No.17436874

>>17436872
Once a week.

>> No.17436882

>>17436872
It only takes a couple of minutes, why not just daily?

>> No.17436885

>>17436882
I can't get into it and half ass it if it's too small a batch.

>> No.17436894
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17436894

>lol, it's de, not de
Just what is the point?

>> No.17436902

>>17436894
I don't know what that is, but I assume de3 is a different concept than de2 in this guide

>> No.17436907

>>17436872
That's like 2 mins of work.

>> No.17436908

>>17436894
This is what happens when you read bullshit guides. Tae Kim and Google referencing is all you need.

>> No.17436917

>>17436894
DoJG: old and busted
HJGP: new hotness

>> No.17436938

>>17436907
>2 mins
Don't you repeat all the sentences out loud trying to sound like a cute anime girl?

>> No.17436941
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17436941

Would this be effective to learn written and spoken?
>One deck is the normal 2/6k deck with Kanji on the front of the card and translation on the back
>Another deck is the same except with audio on the front and translation on the back so I have to figure out the word from audio only
I want to be able to both read and listen to Japanese culture so would doing both decks be best for my learning?

>> No.17436945

>>17436941
no
the best is consuming content

>> No.17436949

>>17436941
Just maximise the number of words you're learning and watch a lot of anime.
Words will only truly stick after you've encountered them a bunch of times in the wild, rather than hearing the same sentences over and over.

>> No.17436973

>>17436945
>>17436949
So I'll just pick up the language naturally then after going with Anki and Tae Kim as I begin content?

>> No.17436981

Remember to listen to classical music while studying.
It really gets those little brain cells going.

>> No.17436987

>>17436981
Stockhausen especially works wonders.

>> No.17437003

Anyone know any Japanese alt right podcasts? I want to listen to their struggles against cultural marxism and keeping Japan Japanese.

>> No.17437011

>>17437003
[muffled white pig go home in the distance]

I think you should ask on pol, maybe some english teacher can tell you.

>> No.17437037

>>17436973
Grammar guide plus SRS is your best starting point. Consuming content is the best next step because it helps guide your self study while also giving more accurate real life examples. It's not gonna be a very natural transition into eachother tho.

>> No.17437053
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17437053

溶岩フレーム

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17437074

>>17437003
>listening to a bunch of crackheads

>> No.17437129

けっしてかれないはなを

はつめいしてはならない

>> No.17437205

>>17437129
人間の手によってではなく、決して枯れない花は勝手に進化してきたらどうする?

>> No.17437225

>>17437205
きゅうきょくカーズはうちゅうへかえすことになっているよ

>> No.17437532

What do if I'm reading something and there is a line I just don't fucking get?
I probably still learn a thing or two if I ignore it and just move on, but it still feels wrong.

"just ask djt" worked well for easy manga, but whenever I posted a line of a VN, I got 3 completely different explanations and most of the time none of them seemed to be correct considering the context.

>> No.17437539

>>17437532
People need to know the context if you want accurate help with context based stuff.

>> No.17437543

>>17437532
take a screenshot, set it as your wallpaper and hope that one day it will click

>> No.17437544

>>17437532
>"just ask djt" worked well for easy manga, but whenever I posted a line of a VN, I got 3 completely different explanations and most of the time none of them seemed to be correct considering the context.
Go into the archive and quote your post right now where that was the case.

>> No.17437546

もじは

ききとれるひとにかいてあるんだから

きこえるようになるまで

まずは、きくほうがいいとおもうんだよ

にほんごにかぎらず、どのことばも

>> No.17437561

だから、まんがより

アニメをさきにみるといいとおもう

がんばれおにいちゃん

>> No.17437574

>>17437539
I know and I did explain what the situation was and how the conversation went thus far.

>>17437543
>take a screenshot, set it as your wallpaper and hope that one day it will click
Good idea but I think we can further improve it.
I should buy a printer and print out the screenshots of every sententce I don't get and put them up on my wall so I'm always surrounded by my fails.

>>17437544
This may take quite a while, the last time I asked DJT for help was around 5-6 weeks ago.

>> No.17437623
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17437623

>>17437561
いつも大変お世話になり、ありがとうございます

>> No.17437654

Is rikai-sama going to be updated when Firefox gets updated?

>> No.17437657

退屈

>> No.17437701

>>17437654
No, rikai-sama is abandoned. See the red text on top here: http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/

>> No.17437719

>>17437701
2 questions

1.Where can I call the creator a faggot?
2.Fork when?

>> No.17437734

>>17437701
>>17437719
I guess we should just learn Japanese before then.

>> No.17437752

>この作品は私を殺している。
What did he mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdvSNZwyA0

>> No.17437869

>>17429770
十字ボタン

>> No.17437885

>>17437752
作品をわたしが殺した

>> No.17438018
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17438018

Anons help, what's this kanji?

>> No.17438030

>>17438018
Looks like 前

>> No.17438032

>>17438018
I mean the top left one, I understand the others.

>> No.17438041

>>17438018
たたかう

>> No.17438044

>>17438032
"fight" but I only did RTK

>> No.17438059

>>17438041
>>17438044
Thanks

>> No.17438174

>>17434738
Yeah they're taken down from the Mega links there and the results that show up on google. Anyway I downloaded Hitori Bocchi from the same author, works just as well for my intents.

>> No.17438199

>>17436885
Then add 30 new words or something

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17438240

>>17436941
2k/6k is a good deck to study general vocabulary. Until 2k it's mostly learning kanji and basic words. From thereon, it's usually new words with kanji you've already learned.

Study grammar. There are many grammar resources.

Don't focus only with Anki.

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17438253

Please, don't pollute the VN thread with general questions if you have Anki or grammar lessons due.

>>17438106

>> No.17438292

>>17438253
you should've just ignored him
also nice try trying to stir shit by linking that exact post

>> No.17438315

>>17438240
At that point you might as well go all the way and just learn the language.

>> No.17438340

Does anyone have the retail versions of Kino no Tabi volume 4 and on?

>> No.17438366

>>17438315
He saved a lot of time by not bothering to memorise any of the definitions. You don't need to know what a word means to use it in scrabble, only how to spell it.

>> No.17438444

in spoken japanese I heard the term "sumafu" occasionally used for smartphones
すまふ doesn't yield the expected result in google translate though and translating "smartphone" english->japanese doesn't yield anything similar either
is this slang that doesn't show up in dictionaries or did I just mishear the word?

>> No.17438448

>When in doubt, try googling to see the level of popularity of each combination. It turns out that 「からだけ」 is almost twice as popular as 「だけから」 with a hit number of 90,000 vs. 50,000.
The amount of research that went into this thing is astounding.

>> No.17438450

>>17438444
スマホ

>> No.17438453

"only because" and "because only" mean different things

>> No.17438486

>>17438253
that picture hurts my soul

>> No.17438500

>>17437719
You're probably free to continue the project, many people here would appreciate it...

>> No.17438508

I want to learn Japanese, but the only issue is that I think I'm too intelligent for Japanese humor.


Is it funnier once you speak the language?

>> No.17438515

>>17438508
lmao

>> No.17438529

>>17438508
this but unironically

>> No.17438682

>>17438508
I never really understood why people don't like Japanese comedy. I think it's funny. Obviously I'm not rolling on the floor laughing over it, but I don't think that's really the point of humour. Maybe it's just westerners who watch too much randumb comedy.

>> No.17438833

>>17438240
>Until 2k it's mostly learning kanji and basic words. From thereon, it's usually new words with kanji you've already learned.
To quantify this statement a little more.
1005 unique kanji in the first 2k words then from 2k~6k there are 603 newly introduced kanji, covering a total of 1608 for the entire 2k/6k vocabulary deck.
Data:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11S-anuSEV5do9el4asZREsCQq9FOOshwBcH1h_psO6s/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.17438849

>>17438778
Look at this angry neckbeard ww

>> No.17438895

>>17438508
Dunno. Dumb Japanese jokes seem funnier in Japanese to me.

>> No.17438915
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17438915

How valuable is JLPT N3 when applying for jobs in Japan? Should I skip it and go for N1/2 instead, or is N3 still acceptable?

I can imagine that the better the certificate, the better the odds. On the other hand, the sooner you can go there, the faster you'll develop from "somewhat conversational" to fluent. I've been doing Anki since last month, picked up a grammar guide and started reading a little. I was hoping to get a decent certificate at a JLPT next year, but I don't know how realistic this goal is.

>> No.17438921

>>17438915
N1 is the minimum anyone should ever consider doing. You can easily acquire it in less than 2 years if you put in the work anyways.

>> No.17438970

>>17438921
>N1
>two years
not unless you're a chink or some other kanji-user

>> No.17438974

>>17438970
how many different kanji do you need to recognize for N1?

>> No.17438979

>>17438915
No. I heard you may get something at N2 but that's more of a "I work at an American company and can do business with natives" certificate. N1 shows that you can work in Japan.
If you spend an hour or two a day learning Japanese, you can realistically get N1 in three years if you are diligent and read. If you neckbeard it and are good in languages you can make it in two.

>> No.17438984

>>17438974
all 2000 丈余

>> No.17438987

>>17438979
>with natives
Japanese natives, that is.

>> No.17439005

N1 is a meme. I passed it after 6 months of study.

>> No.17439008

>>17438970
You're either overestimating the N1 and/or have brain damage. N1 is still "not very good at Japanese" tier. If you read every day and prepare for it a week or two in advance you'd have to try to fail with how lenient the pass rate is.

>> No.17439011

>>17439005
If you didn't pass it a week after beginning you really ought to just kill yourself for being a brainlet.

>> No.17439021

>>17439011
Should I wait for the next JPLT before I start studying so I won't be looked down upon?

>> No.17439035

>>17439005
dam what's your secret?

>> No.17439040

>>17438915
>>17438921
>>17438979
>>>/int/

>> No.17439048

>>17439035
I was born and raised in Japan

>> No.17439070

>>17439021
>Should I wait
>to start studying
Never wait. Do it everyday. I know that you are joking but some people actually do put off studying for some reason.

>> No.17439121

What's the best way to study variant kanji? Should I just add them normally to anki? What's the best way to check what nuances there are with the variant besides looking at the sentence you've met the word in?

My word is 遭う occuring in the phrase 事故に遭っちゃう. I'm also not sure how I should add any extra information I found out to the card?

I know that Readmore will solve all of this, but until I figured there might be a way to go about this more effectively.

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>>17438453
She told him that she loved him.

Place the word only anywhere in the above sentence and the meaning changes.
English is fun!

>> No.17439242

>>17439121
Do a search like this:
http://jisho.org/search/*遭*

And look for the other words the kanji is used to find out nuances.

>> No.17439254

>>17439242
Nice, that's exactly what I did. Thanks!

>> No.17439271

>>17439254
What conclusion did you reach then?

>> No.17439305

>>17439271
Well it reinforced the feeling that 遭う is probably always encountering a hardship, and not meeting a person or something.
This is based on the On compounds listed on Jisho: 遭難 and 遭遇. Though I have to refine my previous sentence since 遭遇 means encounter (among other things).

One thing is for sure: when this kanji is in play, it's always used in a kind of ominous way.

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17439338

>>17439305
>when this kanji is in play, it's always used in a kind of ominous way.
What did he mean by this?

>> No.17439388

Anyone happen to have all of the related written media for YuYuYu? S2 coming up and never read any of the related stuff, but haven't been able to find anything aside from a bunch of translated stuff.

>> No.17439417

>>17439338
look at the words its used in ding ding

>> No.17439442

>>17428508
>>>17437701
>2 questions
>
>1.Where can I call the creator a faggot?
>2.Fork when?

1. Wherever you want, the effect will be the same.
2. Use Yomichan instead

>> No.17439452

>>17438444
スマホ, short for スマートホン

>> No.17439453

>>17438974
I know ~800 and my J-CAT score was equivalent to N1, but that was due to my near native score in listening comprehension rather than my shitty reading ability.

>> No.17439468

>>17428508
>If you spend an hour or two a day learning Japanese, you can realistically get N1 in three years if you are diligent and read. If you neckbeard it and are good in languages you can make it in two.

Can confirm. I spent 1-2 hours a day, passed N2 after 2.5 years and N1 after 3.5 years. I probably could've passed both half a year earlier (based on my JCAT scores), but the JLPT near my location is only held once a year.

>> No.17439494

>>17439468
Did you just read or did you also study material for the test?

>> No.17439505

>>17439468
So I should be able to pass N1 with ease, that's reassuring.

>> No.17439513

>>17439494
I used the Shin Kanzen Master books for grammar and reading. Both were very useful.
Didn't need the other 3 (kanji, vocab and listening)

>> No.17439527

https://twitter.com/PrayToAsuka/status/894668943595520000
>the subtitles

>> No.17439540

>>17439442
>Use Yomichan instead
Not him, but I just installed it and it seems alright so far outside of how much less compact it is, but I can't get the audio to work (the audio still works fine in Rikaisama, so I don't think it's on JapanesePod101's end). Is there a way to fix this?

>> No.17439543

Is the DoJG grammar anki deck useful?

>> No.17439559

I'm not near my PC right now, so I can't test it, but it worked yesterday.

>> No.17439574

>>17439543
No you are better off if you just look up the parts that you don't know imo.

You'll probably forget the stuff you learn if you never see it used anywhere anyway.

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17439576

why 遊んでいる? why not just 遊ぶ?
what is the difference?

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17439589

that feel when fix one problem and create another

DirectX wasn't working properly in my virtual machine (which I use to play VNs which won't work through WINE), which was making it so that the sprites in Flyable Heart weren't being anti-aliased when scaled (resulting in the ugly, jagged lines you can see in pic related).

I fixed that by installing the VirtualBox Guest Additions on the machine, so now Flyable Heart doesn't complain about DirectX not working anymore and the sprites are properly anti-aliased when scaled, but now I'm having a new problem where the background disappears whenever a new sprite pops into a scene, so all I can see is the character sprite on a black background.

Anyone know how to fix this?

>> No.17439591

>>17439540
>>17439559
Found the problem, oops. NoScript was blocking languagepod101. I guess yomichan plays the audio in a different way than rikaisama, because that didn't cause issues before. Thanks anyways.

>> No.17439594

>>17439576
read a grammar guide, this is such basic shit

>> No.17439598

>>17439576
That would be "the children play in the park".

I have to ask, but do you speak English and know what the -ing form does?

>> No.17439608

>>17439594
>>17439598
nevermind
I'm an iddiot
haha

>> No.17439615

>>17439576
they're trapped there

>> No.17439618

>>17439589
Oh, actually it seems like it's not every time I character sprite pops up. It seems to just happen completely at random.

>> No.17439630

>>17439589
I'm not using virtual box for VNs, but whenever I have graphic errors I press right ctrl + c twice.

>> No.17439669

おはようおにいちゃん

たいふうにほんかいがわにいっちゃったー

にほんかいがわのひときをつけてね

>> No.17439712

>>17439589
Okay, I found a work around. If you save at a point when the background disappears, then reload from that save, the background comes back (but the next few lines of text go completely black for some reason).

Kind of annoying, but I don't have a clue how to fix this problem properly, so I guess this will have to do. It's a step up from seeing those ugly, blocky sprites constantly anyway.

>> No.17439718

>>17439589
Easy solution, don't use a retarded OS.

>> No.17439734

>>17439712
Try some of the compatibility settings Windows itself has?

>> No.17439737

>>17439718
>using NSA spyware

>> No.17439772

>>17439734
Which ones?

The Windows version I'm using is XP, and that's what most older VNs (and probably new ones too) were made to work on, so the "compatibility mode" feature isn't going to help.

The only other compatibility settings are "Run in 256 colors" (completely breaks the game, don't try this if you suffer from epilepsy), "Run in 640x480" (smaller than the VN's resolution so it's unplayable like this) and "Disable visual themes" (didn't help).

>> No.17439774
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17439774

I'm at the level of a 2 second old Japanese baby, but I am learning hiragana right now and recognized the tako on the takoyaki stand in persona 3 and looked up the full name on Wikipedia.

My question is, why does this sign not have the ki hiragana on it if Wikipedia does? たこ焼きis how it is listed there

>> No.17439776

>>17439772
>the "compatibility mode" feature isn't going to help.
Tried them all anyway just in case and it was the same story on all of them.

>> No.17439799

>>17439774
Because in Japanese you can spell a single word in multiple ways. Better get used to it, there's much worse waiting for you on the road ahead.

>> No.17439818

>>17439776
Mucking with the 3D and 2D HW acceleration settings in Virtualbox might help. Other than that idk.

>> No.17439853

>>17439774
That sort of thing happens quite often. I guess it's just because, for a Japanese person seeing the sign, it's obvious that you're supposed to read it as 「やき」, even though 「やき」 isn't actually a proper reading for that character, so they don't bother adding the 「き」 at the end.

In this case, it's probably done so they could have the text on the sign be bigger, but I imagine it's equally often the case that this sort of thing is just done out of simple laziness.

I guess you could see it as an extension of the practice in spoken Japanese of leaving as much as possible to context.

>> No.17439898
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17439898

>>17439774
Stop playing video games and start studying

>> No.17439914
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17439914

>>17439853
>even though 「やき」 isn't actually a proper reading for that character
>焼

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17439918

>>17439914

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>>17439898
Thanks for the kek anon

>> No.17439932

>>17439918
so all nouns are to be read as verbs now? gotcha

>> No.17439948

>>17439932
>I'm more of an authority on kanji than the most highly respected of all Japanese dictionaries!

>> No.17439971

>>17439948
so you read たこ焼 as たこやく because of your precious dictionary?

>> No.17439979

How come there are so many people that don't speak flawless Japanese even after living there for a decade or more?
I've been stumbling across quite a few bloggers etc. that claim to be "somewhat fluent" but they still run into Japanese flyers they can't read and stuff like that really makes me think.

I for one, want to speak flawless Japanese that'll astonish everyone in Japan that's my goal.

>> No.17439984

>>17439979
They don't read is why.

>> No.17440008

>>17439979
They fell for the myths.
http://www.antimoon.com/other/myths.htm

>> No.17440030

>>17439737
you dont know shit about anything stay ignorant and afraid

>> No.17440081

>>17439979
Because people don't learn kanji
http://japaneseruleof7.com/learn-hiragana/

>> No.17440128

>>17439979
just because you live in japan doesnt mean youre truly intermingling with the japanese like as a person so that means youre still kept at arms length by nearly everyone at all times and generally arent gonna have a lot of opportunities to learn unless you really push for it yourself and make it happen

>> No.17440534

コニュミケーション?
コミニュケーション?

>> No.17440584

>>17440534
コミュニケーション

>> No.17440702

ガトーショコラ

>> No.17440727

>>17440584
コミュニュケーション?

>> No.17440760

>>17440727
>>17440584
>>17440534

コニャモニャコニャケーショニャ。。。ニャニ

>> No.17440812

Does anyone have the raws for 中二病でも恋がしたい!? None of the torrents work on nyaa. I remember trying to read it years ago when I was new to reading so I'd like to look at it again to see how much I've improved.

>> No.17440836

ロボットとアンドロイドは

なにがちがうのですか

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17440855

Can somebody explain what is going on in this picture, I don't need a direct translation but I'm curious what the explanations are saying

>> No.17440917

Which would be a better resource to study first?Heisig's Remembering the Kanji or the Tae Kim guide?

>> No.17440931

>>17440917
They're completely different. Do Tae Kim first, start core 2k, and start reading native material. Then study the Kanji Learner's Course from Kodansha as a supplement, which is a newer and better version of RTK. This will help the kanji stick in your mind and make grammar acquisition easier over the long term.

>> No.17441112

>>17440917
You can also try Sakubi. It will keep reminding you that reading is the most important part of the learning process, which you would do best not to forget.

>> No.17441170

>>17440931
how many kanji does KLC cover anyway

>> No.17441212

>>17441112
>you'll pick this up by reading so I won't explain shit
Great grammar guide :^)

>> No.17441229

>>17440836
アンドロイドは人の形をしているロボットです。

ロボットは人型だけで無く、工場などの作業ロボットも含みます。

つまり、ロボットは大きな分類です。

>> No.17441235

>>17441212
considering the fact that any attempt to explain anything that isn't extremely basic is only going to give people really weird misconceptions yeah great

>> No.17441238

>>17441235
this, especially considering the fact that many retards don't "start reading" until they completely finish a grammar guide

>> No.17441364

>>17441229
タチコマはどっちですか

>> No.17441366

>>17441212
>>>/int/

>> No.17441393

Barely passed N2 after 2.5 years of dicking around in class and consuming /a/ and /jp/ related media.

How can I get to a point where I can actually read stuff? Even shit like Kino is a challenge because my vocab game is trash.

>> No.17441409

>>17441393
Read more.

>> No.17441512

>>17441393
How can you not read stuff if you passed the N2

>> No.17441590

ロンドンで食中毒だって

なにやってんの?いみがわからないよ

>> No.17441639
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>>17441229
なのはロボットなんだけど

>> No.17441649

ロボットになったら、どうする
もちろん、火炎放射をつけてる

>> No.17441659

I'm awful at languages and still trying to figure out how best to learn them. I'm finding that I can only really commit Anki flashcards to memory if I organise them into a list and learn them from a list. For example, Anki was giving me the days of the week all out of order, but I could learn them better when I wrote them out in a list from Monday to Sunday and repeated them in my head in order.

Is this a bad learning practice? I've also just switched from 20 cards per day to 10 because I'm just so bad at it and getting overloaded.

>> No.17441670

>>17441649
ロボットになれたら

まずなにをしますか

>> No.17441681

>>17441659
If something helps you, then it's good. After you repeat them for a while, you'll forget any crutches you may have used to memorise them.
If something is giving you trouble, you can do many things to make it easier. I find it best to associate Japanese words with Japanese titles I've heard before, like 逆 with 逆転裁判. Another example: I kept saying しょうりゅう instead of しゅうりょう (終了), so I reminded myself of the fact that this is not related to 昇竜拳, and that's all it took for me to remember it for now.

>> No.17441695

>>17441681
That's reassuring, thank you. I definitely find the easiest words to remember as ones that I attach personal and amusing thoughts to (e.g. 金曜日 is my pay day), but you just made me realise that I don't consciously think of the amusing stories when I read it, I just know the word.

>> No.17441819

How much time per flashcard does the average anon take?

>> No.17441831
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What does this shirt spell?

天下?双

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>>17441819
4.3s average here

>> No.17441841

>>17441819
8,6 seconds, though I think I'm a high outlier.

>> No.17441846

>>17441819
If I go by deck life I have 8.8 seconds.
Just this month I have 7.7 seconds.

>> No.17441867

>>17441831
天下無双

>> No.17441873

>>17441833
Commendable dubs and commendable time.
How long have you been at it, anon?

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>>17441873

>> No.17441893

Do you guys think this site it's good for a beginner?

http://newsinslowjapanese.com/

>> No.17441896

>>17441867
Well, that is what woudl seem reasonable, but it doesn't even remotely look like 無 to me.

>> No.17441945

>>17441819
13.1 s

>> No.17441960

>>17441639
なのはロボットじゃなくて人間《実際にロボットものの》ですよ

>> No.17441977

Hello, would some one be kind enough to help understand a couple of line please?

巣の周辺に暗鬼は数えるほどしか居なかった。

What I don't get is that if the number of beasts is such that it cannot be counted, or there isn't any beast anymore.

現本拠地での行動ということもあり,

the current HQ is taking action?

>> No.17441993

>>17441893
I tried the first article about the 少年刑務所.

I find the slow option is too retardedly slow and the fast option also feels really slow.

I think it's not challenging enough to make you better at listening, you'll still struggle at normal speed Japanese if you don't practice with it.

>> No.17442098

>>17441896
Hand writing often looks very different from computerized fonts. But if you look at the strokes you see that they are all there.

>> No.17442100

>>17441977
数えるほど ≒ 数えられるほど

現本拠地での行動 = the action at the current HQ

>> No.17442227

Sup, my favorite elitists. I have a question regarding the (it seems to me like...) souda form that's explained in the sticky. It's not very clear to me after reading through about how this form uses negation.

I know you can use ja nai to negate nouns in souda form, not to mention that the "nasasouda" nai form is said to be possible, but at the same time it's written that nai "usually" doesn't precede verbs and I have to use ni or mo nai. Somewhere else on the net it's also written that you can simply use sou and then negate the entire sentence with de wa nai, for instance.

This is all really confusing, what the hell does "usually" mean? Is this interchangeable or do I just use ja nai for nouns/na adjectives, nasasouda for i adjectives and ni/mo nai/ja nai for verbs?

>> No.17442231

>>17442227
what the fuck

>> No.17442235

>>17442231
Every single time I post a grammar question you guys make me feel like a complete fucking idiot but at least I usually get a satisfactory answer, hopefully this is one of these times.

>> No.17442241

>>17442227
>>17441235

>> No.17442245

>>17442227
>>17442235
You seem to have a perfectly reasonable understanding of whatever resources you read. If you want validation on how you understand it, read something in Japanese and look for clues.

>> No.17442261

>>17442227
First of all, do you mean the そう that relays information you heard elsewhere, or the そう that expresses how the speaker guesses that something is something based on direct observation? It sounds like you mean the latter but the latter doesn't very often have the だ after そう.

>> No.17442266

>>17442261
The latter, correct.
>It sounds like you mean the latter but the latter doesn't very often have the だ after そう.
Da or desu is used all the time in the grammar explanation. It depends on how you're using it, you can say takasouna kuruma if you want to describe a noun, that's pretty easy to understand. I'm just not sure how to use negation here.

>> No.17442311

>>17442266
>>17442227
In that case it's なさそう for じゃない or i-adj, and そうに/もない for normal verbs like the guide says.

>> No.17442312

>>17441238
That is what the sticky says to do, after all.

>> No.17442330

>>17442312
There's no sticky.

>> No.17442340

>>17442330
*the djt guide

>> No.17442350

>>17441170
2300

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>>17442312

>> No.17442393

Can't checkout on the Yotsubato reading pack
Is it a regional thing or something?

>> No.17442410

>>17442393
It's not that good anyway. I think it even had some errors when I used it

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>when you only have the motivation to do 100 reps a day for a few months

>> No.17442429

漫画界の中でイジメを無視する先生が多そう。

なんでですか?

>> No.17442432

>>17441819
13s for my writing deck, 5.5s for my reading deck

>> No.17442443

>>17442227
>>17442266
そう can be both a verb suffix, like 美味しそう or なさそう or it can be used alone as an adjective like そうだ.

I hope this helps and please install an IME.

>> No.17442453

Help a beginner out?

Studied hiragana and katakana before, but stopped, and now refreshing my memory with Anki. But this time I'm serious with learning, and even bought the Genki textbooks.

Question is, where should I start first: kanji, grammar, or vocabulary?

NihingoShark says don't study anything until you master like 2000 kanji. The DJT guide mentions learning kanii alongside vocabulary. And the /int/ wiki says go straight to Genki after mastering kana.

So what is the best method to go about this? My goals are to be able to read raws and hold a simple conversation (I'm not rushing though, fully expecting to invest 2-4 years on this)

>> No.17442474

>>17442443
They mean different things. I haven't read a grammar guide in years but my impression is that there are two そう's:

1. masu-form + そう ・ い -> そう ・ ない -> なさそう
This means what you think something might be.

2. normal full sentence ending (です・だ・る・ます・etc.) + そう (だ・です)
This means something you've heard someone else say, but are not sure yourself if it's true or not.

食べるそうです "Apparently he will eat it"
食べそうです "I think he will eat it"

>> No.17442491

>>17442453
Download a vocabulary deck for Anki and start going through it while reading a grammar guide that actually uses kanji. Don't ever use kana only, romaji, or learn kanji individually. Just learn words. Nothing else matters.

Step 1: Tae Kim + Core deck on Anki
Step 2: Read and keep adding words to Anki
Step 3: Fluent reading

>> No.17442493

>>17442474
Yeah, but in my badly worded post that started this whole thing I had a problem with how you negate, because you can negate a sentence with the first kind of そう in like three different ways, out of which each is seemingly correct.

Anyway, I'm going with what this anon told me >>17442311, but I think this hasn't been concretely answered yet.

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>>17442453
Vocabulary is king.

Do everything else moderately but put your focus on vocab.

>> No.17442519

>>17442511
So... reading.

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>>17442453
Studying just kanji is a complete pain and will likely result in you giving up.
Study vocab. A lot of it.
Grammar is a close second.

>> No.17442527

>>17442493
I looked it up for you in an actual Japanese grammar guide for natives, and what it says is that:

なさそう is the one you'd normally use
sentence:
(お店の様子を外から見て)この店なら、高くなさそうです。

そうじゃない is what you would say to negate what someone said to you
sentence:
A:ねえ、見て。このお店、高そうだと思わない?
B:えー!全然高そうじゃないよ。

The second one you can see it's using the same form as the first person said and is negating that as a whole.

The first one is just from out of nowhere, and what you'd usually use.

>> No.17442529

>>17442491
Could you give an explanation as to why you do not recommend isolated kanji studying?

>> No.17442538

>>17442529
Because if you do that, you might as well learn vocab containing the kanji to reinforce them alongside which takes you straight back to learning words.

It's okay as long as you do not learn kanji and nothing else.

>> No.17442539

>>17442529
Waste of time. Any information you'd get from learning individually you get from learning words, but you don't memorize all the useless stuff that comes with it. Lot's of kanji only appear in a single word, no reason to learn those individually outside of that word, for example. Or even more common, readings that only appear in a single word, etc. Just learn the word. There's just no point.

>> No.17442546

>>17442453
grammar is king because in conversation once you know how to ask basic questions using basic words the japanese person will be able to understand what word youre looking for

also grammar is king because well look at these threads its the thing everyone sucks at second to using japanese ways of saying things as opposed to weird en > jp dictionary hodgepodge

if you know the basics of all the little common use words and grammar you can do anything
if you know a bunch of nouns adjectives and unconjugated verbs you cant do anything

>> No.17442548

>>17442538
>>17442539
Alright, thanks for the help anon! Downloading the Core 2k deck now.

>> No.17442555

>>17442527
This is actually pretty helpful anon, thank you.

>> No.17442558

>>17442548
Make sure you edit it so the card has word on the front, and meaning and reading on the back. Just think about what you want to learn, if you want to learn to read, well you need to recall meaning and reading while having the trigger of seeing the word, that's how your Anki cards should be set up.

>> No.17442564

>>17442558
pretty sure that's the default option given to you in the djt guide

>> No.17442566

>>17442548
If you want to learn to write too this is a very helpful link:
http://www.yamasa.org/ocjs/kanjidic.nsf/SearchKanji3?OpenForm

>> No.17442578

>>17442546
Depends on if you're learning to understand or learning to use. Most people here and learning to understand so most of what you said doesn't apply. Obviously you need grammar either way, but learning how to use grammar correctly is mostly irrelevant, as long as you can understand the grammar when you see it. This is a newbie trap, you always see people here ask stupid questions like "what is the slight nuance difference of a and b?", when really it doesn't matter at that level. It's the same thing about learning to write or not. You don't need to learn to write to read, and realistically you shouldn't, especially not right away. It's just a waste of time focusing on nuances like that, unless the meaning is actually different you shouldn't even concern yourself until you're comfortable reading and understanding.

>> No.17442585

>>17442578
the guy i replied to literally asked about holding conversation

>> No.17442603

>>17442585
I did, but I also want to be a bit more well rounded. That's why I'm content with investing 2-4 years on this. I'm not looking for the "fastest" way to conversations or reading raws, just the most efficient way to study and go about these things.

>> No.17442614

>>17442603
Just by reading you'll be able to speak after getting better at the language, you don't need to worry about that for now.

>> No.17442678

このペンで書く。
One writes with this pen.
私はこのペンが書き易いだ。
When it comes to me, writing with this pen is easy.

上野さんと一緒に仕事をした。
One worked with Mr. Ueno.
私は上野さんと一緒に仕事がし易かった。
Working alongside Mr. Ueno was easy for me.

No mistakes here, right? I want to make sure I got what the lesson says about particle change when using the yasui/nikui forms.

>> No.17442715

>>17442678
Your mistake was using 易.

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>>17441819

>> No.17442718

>>17442678
You can't put だ after an i-adjective.

>> No.17442719

>>17442678
when it comes to 2 and 4 they got mad fuckin problems so i guess they werent as 易い as you 思った

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>>17442715
>>17442718
>>17442719
I fucking hate this language.

>> No.17442730

>>17442719
Please tell me what's wrong with phrase 2 and 4.

>> No.17442742

>>17442725
Ignore >>17442719 and >>17442715, they don't know Japanese.

>> No.17442758

>>17442725
ignore >>17442742 they dont know japanese

>> No.17442759

>>17442742
Only beginners think using unconventional kanji makes them look smart. Literally no one spells やすい like that.

I bet you also complain "if used the kanji I would have known that word". That means you still suck and need to get better, not that you're so advanced because you know the kanji.

>> No.17442765

>>17442759
only beginners look to that as the major problem

>> No.17442768

>>17442759
So the reason why using 易 is wrong is because... you don't like it? Fuck off, retard.

>> No.17442772

>>17442678
The が feels weird to me.

You want to emphasize the easiness, not the subject.

>> No.17442774

よしのの山となにながれたるよりもなをおくなるみよしのといふところ。

>> No.17442776

>>17442768
It's as wrong as using an archaic spelling of an English word would be.

>> No.17442778

>>17442776
易 is really common. Don't give advice to others if you don't even know basic Japanese.

>> No.17442784

>>17442776
Thou surely jest.

I'll spell 貿易 as 貿えき from now on.

>> No.17442786

>>17442772
How would you recommend doing the fourth sentence then?

>> No.17442793

>>17442784
>no one spells やすい like that
>I'll spell 貿易 as 貿えき from now on.
>やすい
>貿易

>> No.17442800

>>17442786
I'd use a different way to express it.
上野さんと一緒に仕事をするのが簡単だった

>> No.17442803

>>17442786
Sentence 2: 私はこのペンで書くのがしやすい
Sentence 4: 上野さんと一緒にの仕事がしやすかった

You should get used to omitting the subject for phrases like this, it sounds weird.

>> No.17442814

>>17442800
thats no better than how he did it
>>17442803
now were in shit city

how long have you guys been doing flashcards again? come on

>> No.17442817

>>17442814
Why do you keep posting here? Get a better hobby or go back to /int/.

>> No.17442823

>>17442817
why not instead of get mad at me direct your anger inward and learn how to say this most basic fucking thing

>> No.17442831

I love it when someone asks a simple question and all the egomaniacs come crawling out.

Reminds me of that time someone posted an N5 exam question and 90% of the people here got it wrong.

>> No.17442832

>>17442823
I'd ask you to show me how you'd do it but if you knew you would have already done it. You were honestly less obnoxious when you were spamming shitty westaboo hip hop songs, so maybe go back to doing that.

>> No.17442839

>>17442832
sorry but flaming me is not learning? and you give advice in this thread? its fucking laughable dude that now you are the one who wants spoonfed

>> No.17442842

>>17442831
this

>> No.17442844

>>17442800
>>17442803
Now I see what you mean and it finally makes sense, thanks anons.

I actually have to learn verb nominalization too so this is pretty helpful. However, are you sure you use やすい with のが?I've learned that there are set verbs that you can only use with のは, like 面白い、and some that you only use with のが、like はやい。

>> No.17442851

>>17442678
私にはこのペンの方が書きやすい

上野さんと仕事するのは簡単です

>>17442814
r8 me 先輩

>> No.17442852

>>17442831
What was the N5 question?

>> No.17442858

みんな、いじめないで

いじめ
ぜったい
だめー

>> No.17442862

>>17442852
I forgot, some sentence about cleaning a room and choosing the correct particle to go in a gap.

>> No.17442869

>>17442851
わたしには is no good here bro but like big ups on using 方 this is one step closer

mr 上野 would still be fucking sad though that you said either of these

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>>17442852

>> No.17442884

>>17442878


That was fucking easy.

>> No.17442887

>>17442878
I remember this question, pretty sure it was の.

>> No.17442889

>>17442878
>every single one of these aside from を looks good to me.
Fucking kill me now.

>> No.17442894

>>17442889
が would mean that the room cleaned the brother.

>> No.17442895

>>17442878
I'm far from a 日本語達人 but I say に

>> No.17442896

>>17442878
Hehe, first thought was に but it's の, isn't it?

>> No.17442897

>>17442894
And ga, yeah. Souji means order so I'd honestly say both ni and no are correct.

>> No.17442901

>>17442869
>mr 上野 would still be fucking sad though that you said either of these
That wasn't the point of the exercise though.

>> No.17442909

>>17442896
>>17442895
>>17442884
に means the brother made the cleaning IN the room, not the cleaning of the room itself. But yeah basically both are grammatically correct.

>> No.17442918

>>17442909
Looking back, you'd have to use で for that, not に. So の is the only correct one.

>> No.17442919

>>17442909
Hm, not sure that's correct. If he did cleaning "in the room" it would be で not に . I don't think に is grammatically correct in any plausible way

>> No.17442922

>>17442919
>>17442918
ninja'd

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>>17442909
>>17442918
>>17442919

>> No.17442932

After spending a relatively short amount of time with you people I'm CONVINCED I could tell you all to explain to me the difference between the simplest of things, like を出る and に出る, and still fuck up the thread with the ensuing shitstorm.

Not sure if this says more about you or about Japanese as a whole, though.

>> No.17442940

>>17442932
日本語かこのスレの皆か、上に出るのはどっちかな?

てへ

>> No.17442941

>>17442932
Xを出る is leaving X, with the nuance that X is a more public place than where you are going
Xに出る is entering X, again with the nuance that X is a more public place than where you are going. In other words you are leaving the less public place in favor of X

>> No.17442942

>>17442932
There's really no reason to post in this thread after you've mastered Japanese, so most people here are beginners. It's better to get used to it and take all advice with a grain of salt. Either that or just search things by yourself.

>> No.17442957

>>17442942
You never master Japanese though. There is always more to learn

>> No.17442959

>>17442932
>マンコに出る
>マンコを出る
選べ

>> No.17442963
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>>17442942
>There's really no reason to post in this thread after you've mastered Japanese
It's fun.

>> No.17442982

>>17442941
I thought that X を出る is leaving X, and X に出る is leaving wherever you are for X. And I'm pretty sure I got this explanation from someone in one of these threads. Christ.

>>17442942
>It's better to get used to it and take all advice with a grain of salt.
No kidding.

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17443003

>>17442959
マンコに入る!

>> No.17443027
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>>17442924
Let's see if you guys can at least read hiragana.

I imagine this should be doable.

>> No.17443036

>>17443027
Jokes on you, I watch aho girl and already know what the sign says without reading it.

>> No.17443041
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>>17443036
Damn, I also prepared this.

>> No.17443043

>>17443027
夏休み中

>> No.17443051

>>17443043
What an absolutely horrid つ.

>> No.17443070

>>17443041
(バナナはし???だ!)
アホガール

>> No.17443075

new thread >>17443072

>> No.17443080

>>17443075
You're supposed to wait until the current thread dies.

>> No.17443083

>>17443003
ドイツ人 caught red handed

>> No.17443087

>>17443080
It's the second last thread in the catalog. It will be dead in 10 minutes.

>> No.17443089

>>17443070
At the end of the first line it's だソ

I can't read the rest either, しわしわ?

>> No.17443094

>>17443089
>だ has only 1 dakuten
>random circle underneath
ok dude

>> No.17443095

>>17443089
it's an exclamation mark

>> No.17443096

>>17443087
Fuxking retard

>> No.17443101

>>17443083
Actually I'm from switzerland.

>> No.17443202

>>17443094
I thought the circle was a 。lol

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