/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Mani was here
Lulwy a loser

Why do NPCs give milk and eggs like cattle if you throw love potions in their face. That's way too lewd.

>>17306113
Getting tired of your shit.

>>17306136
Be faster

>>17294949
Can't disassociate Kai's waifu with the one and only
daily reminder there will never be another VN like this

Need an advice.
Can i make multiple copies of the same npc with ALP?
And is it possible to make a pre-debuffed pet for low ini values without ALP\soul spindle?

Nice.

The buildion is one of the most annoying enemies. You enter a floor and that jittery piece of crap bangs the ground almost every godforsaken turn. BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG. I'm contemplating to change that audio file to something less obnoxious. Poi or whatever.

>>17306833
necromantis??

>>17307003
please tell me which file it is because i have a buildion pet and i'm so upset

>>17307011
Good question. I've just looked through the sound folder and didn't find it.

>>17302203
Preaching without anyone around/with no one having impress available, so with just the base 20 exp, slowed down noticeably around 1000.
Well, slowed down relative to this monster, for a normal pet or for a PC, it would still be fast.

>>17307039
i checked and i think it is ball1.wav, not sure if there are any codec requirements or whatever

>>17307063
That's for ball spells though.

>>17307065
i think it just copies it. the game seems to count it as some kind of spell anyway (control magic affects it)

>>17307070
It sounds different. Well if I encounter another one of those I'll try to swap files. Or you can try it, since you thought it would be a good idea to get one as a pet.

Strange stone.

You did get both, right?

Alright. The smash ground attack uses the ball1 and crush1 sound at the same time.

>>17307213
who did this. why did they do this.

There was really no reason for you to rip open your chest and give me your god heart, but thanks anyway Saimef.

>>17307003
Man I got so scared the first time I heard that. It was like an ADOM titan was tearing up the level

Permadeath sister is go. I already filled all equipment slots, had multiple close calls (almost killed by a <<pawn>>, grizzly bear, gunner...), traded with adventurers for some gear with minor resists, and made 30k. I will probably end up doing something dumb and dying, then go back to my normal mode character in shame

>>17305299
Ah, so I guess the health recovered by regeneration just isn't worth it compared to just having a defender with healing rain then?

Since my last codepad about what luck affects seems to have been helpful, I made a new one about the critical hit damage multiplier question:
http://codepad.org/7H9Mwjzq

I hope that sheds some light on the matter for those interested in it.

It is BloodyShade here btw, in case it wasn't obvious :)

>fighting <Cacy> the cat tamer in the Void
>nothing serious until it fills its gauge
>except it fills its gauge retardedly fast
>it catches me
>unleashes the fury of the gods on me
>I'm playing a healer/debuffer and forgot to cast holy shield
>Cacy is ATATATATA'ing me with its bullshit staff limit break
>watch my health bar rapidly deplete
>holy fuck I'm gonna die and it's only my fault
>for some reason it stops depleting with my HP in the two digits zone even though Cacy is still raining blows on my face
>attack finishes, I'm still alive
>check the log
>it's filled with "Absolute protect!"
>look at Defender, she only has a sliver of HP left too

Jesus Christ, that was shonen as fuck.
I gave the inevitable dead cats to Jure because eating thm reduces karma and gave my Defender a nice juicy steak of Cacy as thanks.

>>17308571
As a solo player I lack moments like this. For me it was more like
>Fighting X thing
>Buffed
>Bumped into it until I won

>>17308331
Thanks for your work in finding the details in how both luck and crits work. Hope the luck page on the wiki gets updated with your work and a crit technical page or something made.

>>17307621
Ded

>>17308640
I liked her PCC though. Good face.

>>17308331
Huh. So equipment heavier than "light" causes a reduction in crit damage?
Interesting.

>>17308793
How do you figure?

>>17308952
If equipment weight > 15s, then the equation that determines the crit multiplier reduces "atkomosa" (the raw crit amplification variable) by the total weight of your worn equipment.

>>17308331
Thank you for your service BloodyShade! Both for these code posts and for what you've worked on for custom. It is always nice to see exactly how all these things work.

Any chance on you shining light on any other Elona mechanics?

>>17309035
You'll probably have to be a bit more specific than that.
You could write a book on Elona's mechanics.

Reposting this in case the original requester missed it.

Still looking for requests, don't be shy.

>>17308972
From what I see with the equation it's saying that the damage multiplier goes up as the weapon gets heavier. However, past a weapon weighing 15s you'll see an increase in the damage multiplier but it begins to suffer diminishing returns as it nears some sort of cap.

managed to beat my first god today

now im wondering if i should evolve my goose or just switch gods and save it for the more stronger god pets

>>17309054
>the damage multiplier goes up as the weapon gets heavier.
This is correct, and takes place in this line:
>atkomosa = inv(7, cw) * 2
atkomosa is twice your weapon's weight.

>However, past a weapon weighing 15s
You're reading it wrong. That's not weapon weight here:
>if ( cdata(64, tc) >= 15000 ) {
That's equipment weight (checking to see if it's over 15s). And in the next line:
>dmgmulti = dmgmulti * (sqrt(limit(atkomosa - cdata(64, tc), 1, 360000)) / 3 + 100) / 100
It's _subtracting_ equipment weight from the 2*weapon weight bonus. There's diminishing returns even without the penalty due to sqrt, but that's unrelated to the penalty itself.

>>17309046
Ah, I was thinking about actual definitive answers on skills that don't have technical pages.
Like how much magic device or alchemy multiplies damage/hex effects/lengths.

I just didn't say that since I know I have no idea how many places in the code something as general as that could be lurking.
I just like hearing about any of the hard math of mechanics so I appreciate what BloodyShade and the technical page contributes on the wiki have done.

>>17308331
eqweight there is a sum of equipment in all slots including weapon, right? It seems that this eqweight substraction was made to prevent using both ranged and melee weapons with boosted mass.

>>17309123
The way it targets all equipment weight greater than Light and jumps from no penalty to total weight makes me think it's supposed to make crits more powerful for lightly armored characters (like a rogue-style character), who would ordinarily be screwed over by their reliance on light weapons.

>>17308331
>>17308793
Also in case anyone was wondering this means that your weapon needs to weigh 360s + [the weight of the rest of your worn gear] in order to maximize crit damage. So hey, maybe those incredibly heavy Inner God weapons aren't so unnecessarily cumbersome after all.

Martial Arts also hits max crit damage at 900 skill in light armor.

>>17309181
In layman:
2k MA allows max crit damage with 440s eq weight
For weapons you need to get 1s weapon weight for each stone of equipment weight from the rest of the equipment in addition to base 360s weapon weight
You can have max MA and ranged crit damage at high MA skill levels.

>>17309213
>and ranged crit damage
Nope, that checks ammo weight.

>>17309221
I mean you can have 360s+eqweight ammo and still get maxed MA crit at around 1800MA skill

>>17308331
How is dmgmulti initially determined?
It's first occurrence there is in a x = x * y line, so it has to be set elsewhere to begin with.

>>17309046
I dont remember DW/Riding weapon mass penalties and bonus for 2H weapon mass being covered in detail.

>>17309249
>It's
Brb sudoku.

>>17309249
its your base dmgmulti from weapon skill,str and stuff being multiplied by crit multiplier. you can see it in char screen.

>>17309249
There's a variety of sources dmg multiplier comes from. Mainly skills such as tactics, two hand, weapon skills, etc.

>>17309260
Ah, makes sense.

>>17309053
>>17309049
I did miss it.
I love it, that's a great looking sprite, and it it fits with the moe monster spritesheet. Indeed it's a little colorful for elona, but I don't mind at all, surely not compared to the original sprite.

So you want a static item to train now?
Furniture or inventory item?

>>17308331
>http://codepad.org/7H9Mwjzq
>heavier ammo is better

i feel like i should have realized this sooner.

>>17308331
Eh, that's hard to understand. Can't you add a simple explanation like in the luck one? Maybe with what people replied to your post?

>>17309482
Maybe its easier to understand like that?
Formula
(sqrt(weapon weight*2000 - equipment weight*1000)/3 + 100)/100
maximum bonus is 3x

Equipment weight is ignored if its below 15s. Means with light armour and 4s weapon you'll get approximately 130% damage on crit.
If weapon uses ammo,ammo weight is used instead. MA uses MA skill level*400 instead of weapon weight*2000.

What weapon proficiency is used if I wield <Nightmare> as a melee weapon? Short sword? Throwing still? I couldn't find an answer on the wiki but I may be retarded.

>>17309654
Should be blunt like any other ranged weapon in hand slot, Isuppose.

it's 6/15. I've been stuck in my house for weeks. The etherwind won't stop blowing. I've already emptied all of lesmias. send help

>>17309734
Leave your house and roll with it

>>17309738
>leave your house

Is there anyway to get rid of this confirmation window, for faster bloodsucking?

>>17309734
Start praying to Lulwy to lay off those putit burritos so she can keep her flatulence in check.

>>17308331
Thanks !
I was just about to make my laser gun heavier, it would have been a disaster. It's the ammo that count !

Choked on a mochi in the puppy cave

How does the pet AP skill Tactical Attack work? Can they get decapitations on any style of (non magic) combat? Does the chance stack with that on naturally decapitating weapons?

I just reached south tyris after years of real life procrastination.
What's the most urgent(interesting) to do besides the maid mansion?

Is an (evolved) young lady a good pet? It looks like she can throw high potions, but I've never used any of them before. And isn't it likely I or my other pets will get hit too?

The prostitutes are fucking the Fire Giant in Noyel.

>>17310222
No, they're perfectly safe. I've seen aqua sanctios thrown at bosses with Nightmare and inflict confusion on them and disasters are practically a death sentence on normal enemies.

>>17310222
My white princess completely wrecks strong enemies by exploding them, inflicting ailments and reducing their stats with those potions of hers. She can heal and cast debuffs too. Young lady a best

>>17310247
i dunno what youre taking about i had to retire my halloween nightmare after stepping in too many fuck your stats puddles. if youre gonna go this route keep a big stat of blessed restores

>>17310265
The real question you should be asking yourself is why aren't you floating?

>>17310271
i am, but many creatures inflict gravity and i don't always have feather hotkeyed

>>17310265
At high throwing your pet will rarely if ever miss, and unlike halloween nightmares young ladies close into melee range first most of the time, further increasing their accuracy.

>>17310285
oh, clever, all i saw was some faggot throwing disasters halfway across the room into a dogpile of my pets. maybe i'll give more thought to this

>>17307147

only pick one

>>17310236
wew

>>17309311
Thanks for the feedback. By static I mean a character sprite. Basically another of what I just did. I'm switching to moe monster style too, it's just much more in my own style and I'm going to be using that mod myself.

>>17310236
That is my fetish.

>>17310489
I don't think the kid was terribly thrilled with the scene, though.

>>17310511
exhibitionism and mental scarring, nice.

How many hours have you guys sucked into /elona/? Makes you wonder what else it could have been spent on.

>>17310885
285 hours on this save, but I've made at least 3 other files with similar playtimes in the past.

>Time to decorate my house!

Crushing lack of creativity ensues.

>>17310918
How do you guys decorate your houses?

>>17310989
Make rooms first.
Pick themes/function second.
Fill with furniture third.

>Ah cool, another living sword for my little girl warrior
>It brings an end
Yea, so much for that I guess.

>>17310989
You need:
- a place to show of your stuff
-a bedroom at least 5x5
-a kitchen-
-bedroom(s) (can be communal) for your servants and either an open market place for them or mini shops
-a place to meet your guest that is comfy as fuck while not gaudy.

>>17310167
Keep procrastinating for as long as you can here, exploring slowly.
Third continent is in a very unfinished state atm. There are a few great items here but other than that it's like playing an early alpha build.

>>17311061
Don't forget bathroom

One of the only places in the land with a toilet

>>17310989
Buy house upgrade
Unceremoniously dump all my shit anywhere
Slowly move usable stuff to another area
Move relatively rare or great gear to another area
Realize my items are starting to get a theme happening
End up making cool themed areas and rooms by accident
Goto (10)

>>17310885
Elona has helped me realize the crushing futility and pointlessness of video games and electronics in general. Especially when my save got corrupted and I lost everything.

If I may blog though Elona has also helped me gain more motivation to overcome my addictions and lead a better life. It's starting with limiting my play time per sitting whereas when I first started it was a 86 hour binge that landed me taking antibiotics.

How do I customize my shiftcore sprite?

>when you get Siva as your voidboss

>>17311635
Wait till you meet a Yerleswood.

so in 1.69, theres a cap that states "Purchased items will have their price during purchase saved. When selling these items at your shop, their sale price will be capped at 1/3+1 of the purchase price regardless of shop type. "

Does that mean if i buy an item and change its material I cannot sell it at a profit? There are a lot of things that are no longer profitable that I wish I had done...

>>17310885
At least 800, not counting scrapped, non-heir, and inferno mode characters

>>17311713
Be sellf-sufficient! Craft your own silk panties with custom ribbons for extra $$$!

>>17311837
if a panty-maker i must be...

Ano should add value bonus to panties worn at least once by roran race.
Game misses /jp/ feeling without that crucial element.

>>17311061
>place to meet your guest that is comfy as fuck while not gaudy.

This is where I disagree. After all the bad times I have had punks and arsonist children I decided the best route was to make a small pleasant room FAR away from anything important.
Also completely sealed behind 2 tile thick walls. If they are good guests I rod of Tele them out. If not I dimension move out and go about my day.

Crocodile's alchemical rain will cause your karma to plummet if it is used in pet arena. Hopefully unintended.

>>17312069
>xe doesn't fireproof xis furniture

>>17312199
If you fireproofed a Statue of Lulwy, could it act as a makeshift sprinkler system? Because 2 tiles of walls isn't going to stop an out-of-control wildfire. I tried to burn a bard's instrument with Fire Breath in Port Kapul a while back, and about a third of the ocean ended up getting burned away.

>>17312232
i dont think it rains inside of your house, if you're really concerned in E+ you can make all of your walkable tiles water tiles

>>17312232
Cast water bolt at the fire.

>>17312199
>fireproof furniture
Really not a bad idea, except I ran out of all the fireproof fluid I used to horde for equipment.

>>17312232
Its probably better to just have the bubblestorm spell or rods on hand.

speaking of elemental damage, does cold damage really break non-potion items? i read kai's comments about picking up ball spells and how ice deals even more damage than lightning against wet targets, but i'd be a little upset if i accidentally destroy an enemy's godlike ring. i can deal with the loss of maybe 1 or 2 speed uppers and potential potions, but beyond that i'd think its not worth the fuss

>>17312518
Check the floor with * before you start slapping cirno about. If there are some things you want you can just lure the enemy away. Not that hard.

>>17312527
floor is fine, i mean carried objects. i can't always pickpocket everything

Man, is there any decent non-mostergirl character sprite mod? Tried to compile from other sprites but, ugh, too tiresome.

>>17312853
>too tiresome
You sure this is the right game for you?

>>17312540
Nobody can tell you without code diving.
It does not display a message that some of an enemies items were burned/broken, so there's no way to know otherwise.

>>17312860
I dont like lurking for sprites too much. After looking through several hundreds of sprites i completely abandon uniformity and game starts looking like a crappy mish-mash, ya see?

Dear Anon, may I ask you to re-upload chinese modpack(maybe without sounds and other non-compressable stuff) outside of mega? Those filthy jews from mega want my money for downloading mere 200mb, screw that.

>>17312902
Well I guess you better get used to monstergirls or bite the bullet and make your own spritesheets. It is tedious, but you shouldn't aim to replace all sprites at your first go anyway.

>>17312941
? You sure you pressed the right button, download through browser?

>>17312959
woop didn't mean to add that image

>>17312941
I've seen "have to have a free account" and "have to use our downloader addon", but "have to pay money"? That's new to me.

>>17312959
I have no idea whats going on, usually downloading 0,5gb wouldnt be a problem for mega, but now download progress resets several times down to 20% and them i get an error about exhausted dl limit.(pretty much everything else including other file sharing services and torrents works fine)

>>17311123
Yea this. For instance I have a torture room closed off by a little barrier which originally was just where I put mats for making zombies

>>17312862
oh i gotcha. i'll do my best!

>>17312862
Make elona custom pet script to use healing touch on non-100% hp target and use ice spell only on 100% hp target, add mp% check and toss items you want to test in passerby adventurer's inventory. Slap adventurer and check if pet's spells break anything.

>>17312941
>>17312959
Some weird shit, apparently mega refuses to dl 500mb when i have only 2gb free on system drive(and i dont even store downloaded files here).
Got the archive, no need to bother, Anon.

>>17313110
unfortunately i suspect you need grievous damage to break items, since you're supposedly protected at superb resistance and do not need a blanket. probably will take a lot of kills to figure out

Damn. First time getting time stop on a living weapon for myself although I've seen it on another anon's living weapons. Too bad the magnitude of time stop could be better. Got this from a shop trade in.

>>17313171
One turn is better than no turn.

>>17312853
From 1.66, just paste the bottom row on it to update it.

>>17313445
I've merged some sprites from it already, thank you, for now it looks like that and i'm probably gonna give up on finding decent non-bobhead human sprites

>>17313516
I pretty much can't live without the bobblehead sprites for NPCs.
The regular ones look oddly stretched.

>>17313522
< Bobbleheads in my eyes

>>17313652
There's good reasons why video games with small sprites exaggerate head sizes.

I feel like I am one of the few people who love the elona defaults for music and sprites.
But I will admit how easy it to mod the art anf things is one of the greatest parts about this game. Everyone can have what they want.

>>17313832
I like the new defaults a lot, the E+ ones that is. The vanilla ones before Elona+ were pretty bad. At least for the humanoid NPCs, because those were stretched and blurry.

I'm on a new character (Lv5, permadeath). Somebody drank from the well in Palmia and a fucking dragon came out. I used a rod of teleport before he could mince me in one turn, and now I'm hiding in the palace. I can't reach the exit without coming out and if I risk teleporting again I might end up right next to it. What do? It's still out there massacring the town

>>17313880
Dig through a wall.

>>17313880
>17313880
teleport again

>>17313891
I escaped like this, it took a while though since I don't have mining skill. While I was digging away for like 100 turns, the log was filled with things being killed, but after a while it stopped. I'm still scared to go back.

>>17313893
If I saw it was nearby I would have done this.

So how long before I can be sure it's gone? The same thing happened to me with a lightning hound in Vernis and when I came back it was still there.

>>17313719
Yes, but it seems that some players got used to odd bodyshapes so much that normal proportions look oddly stretched for them.

Anyway, i just dont feel that cartoon'ish style fits well enough in Elona.

>>17313928
I went back to look and a Com-bat (Lv78) was sleeping in the square. Goodbye Palmia, maybe I will come back in a decade or so.

>>17313928
If you nuke the city, it will probably die as well. That might make the city safe again. Until then, Palmia's pretty much off limits. Even the city resetting won't get rid of the thing.

>>17313976

One of my pets is gaining AP at a rate much faster than any other, and now she's sitting at 1800 ap when everybody else is barely at 200. She's already the fastest pet and also the second strongest overall. What are some other good uses for AP besides speed? Is Chara Quality Up worth it? It sounds too good to not have a downside.

And can I use abilities taught to pets with AP with custom AIs?

>>17314381
You should strengthen the others so they can keep up with her. If needed park her at home for a while and go train the rest, then use AP to get everyone at the same speed. Yes to the latter two questions.

>>17314381
If they aren't casting magic, get them Barrier.
It's Free HP™

need build better light sabers for him any thing with time stop or crit boosting

>>17314416
This is why you start with Hypnotism.

is it really just poison damage bast on ler?

its doomed with no real downsides.

Alright I've reached floor 2005 of the void. I'm fairly convinced that my character and Saya have reached the maximum amount of AP they can get. Both me and her haven't gained any more AP for 1000 floors now in the void. Since enemies already are capped in their attributes and the only thing increasing is their HP and level there is nothing increasing the enemy INI sum which is used to determine if you gain AP at all. The wiki says the cap is around 80k but both my character and pet are indicating it's probably around 90k. At least for INI scores like ours. Since there is an effective cap to AP the lowering of INI is mainly to cap AP sooner. Greater thought should be put in what you spend AP on but luckily a couple of stuff I recall are refundable but not all.

>>17314381
I like AP to bonus points. Speed and barrier like other anons suggested are good too. The special actions Leold teaches your pets can be used with the custom AI.

>>17314490
Is Violent Garden teachable with custom AI? I haven't been able to find the list of whitelisted moves anywhere. The only ones I've seen firsthand are Fire Breath, Touch of Sleep, Variable Breath, Squeeze, Body Blow, Knockout, and Vindalian Jiu-jitsu.

>>17314531

not on the list.

fairy monster that uses Misteltein but its not teachable to pets.

>>17314490
Gardening skill too.

>>17314563
Well, there goes the Poison Ivy Army. Oh well.
Anyway, thanks for the info.

>>17314381 here
Thank you all for the answers. One more question: What's a good food to eat that raises weight and not height? Turned my character into a Junji Ito abomination and now I want to return him to normal. I tried eating pretty much anything I find but not even raw butter is giving me weight gains. And on the topic of food, is the best way to get rare herbs for herbed food through music tickets? What few herb seeds I find only seem to grow stomafilias and curarias. I have around 100 of each now but no rare herbs to go with them.

>>17314679
>Eating it will increase body weight by an amount dependent on the +enhance value.
>Body weight increases from eating livestock feed is not subjected to the character height limit.
>This is for recycling food items that are cheap but have an +enhance value or are unsellable and also fattening livestock. It can also help get rid of that bony figure.

>>17314679
Blessed food will occasionally make you gain weight. Doesn't do anything to height. Haven't tried it myself but livestock feed I hear increases weight. Might want to check that out. Herbs through music tickets certainly is a nice way to supplement what you have. I personally did fine with getting rare herbs from just my farms but you need a bunch of them.

can I make custom NPCs with custom evolutions? I want to add an AE86 (behicle :DDD) and have it evolve into a GT86 with a machine heart.

>>17312941
>>17312992
>>17313124
What's the best file hoster other than MF these days?

>>17314759
I still use mega man, people were warning about it going to shit years ago yet nothing happened. I never experienced anything like what the other anon had.

>>17314643

the cursed wood king happens to use it

>>17314416
>>17308571
Reminds me of my first real fight against a little girl dungeon boss. She was only a level above me so I took a swing.
I did maybe a chip of health, then she retaliated by taking a third of mine.
Cue running and teleporting throwing poisons, sulfuric, and molotovs to little effect ending in me chugging all my buff potions then fighting her while keeping her stuck in a flaming tile. Finished her with a gauge release.
Not that impress in the grand scheme of things, but was exciting to me.

>>17314739
If you need the custom sprites made I can help.

I desire cuter/funnier sprites fro the roach
There is threee roach sprite
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gokiburi
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Murder_cockroach
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/King_Cockroach

I wish for either:
-an idolmaster parody with a G-faced producer with antenna coming from the G
-a cute pic related roachy replacement

Took me a while too decide which would be interesting to request...

>>17315175
>>17310480
A second reference of these cuties~
If you have the time, I'd be pleased to have these

That would give a use for our king hearts...
N-B: the image is a sample don't archive it by mistake, O potential lurker.

>>17315175
>>17315214
Cool. Johj would make a good king roach.

>>17315218
Cute girl(male) evolve into Great King JOHJ of greter /fit/ness
THanks for the nightmare.

typing a single word of the capcha is being a bitch for a while now.Goolge got better in being annoying.

>>17315236
Too bad the murder roach sprite is single-tile. I could get away with editing the stock PC template though, it'd be an easy do but I'll see if I can do better than that.

At the moment I'm working on a sprite of my waifu for myself so I can literally become my waifu and self-insert as I play as her. I'm not very happy with how it's coming along though since I'm so unused to working with such small resolutions. Any comments are appreciated.

Also if you check the catalog I successfully ruined the 11 day flanfly streak we had going.

Oh and here's a blow-up. I also left the rigging layer invisible by accident.

I'm off for tonight. Sleep tight anons.

>>17315310

>>17315292
and I meant that king roach is single-tile*

fuck me.

>>17315175
>>17315214

>>17314679
Rare herbs are, well, rarer than stomafilia/curaria. Expect 1-5 of each rare type for every 50-100 of common herbs you gather.

Note you can get consistent stat growth on pets through cooked food before your herb plantations become big enough.

I tried, still some work to do, but later today.

Nice INI looser.

Err can i get above 2k stats with buffs? I've seen screenshot of >2k stats on some anon's character. how do you do that?

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=63845540
To be tested in game.
I should make it speedy as a cnpc, methinks.

>>17315544
Equipment, buffs, and feats can take you over 2k.

>>17315581

anyone got a hammer 'etc' pcc sprite?

>>17315634
You agree to take full responsibilities if you do anything ilegal with it, k?

>>17315656
N-not that kind of hammer but okay I guess

What, No sexual remark? I'm honestly surprised at this.

>>17315421
>>17315622
Scut!

How do I get rid of that stupid opening warning box?

>>17316245
Just change the option in the config file to disable it.

>>17316281
You don't even need to do that.
It's in the regular options as "Disclaimer" or something.

>>17316245
>>17316357

>>17316357
>>17316373
Huh. I am now very confused how I never noticed that.
Thanks anon.

>>17316373
the fuck
I never noticed that either
thanks big lad

I'm having a problem with text not going into rows during story line popups and other random tidbits, any fix to this?
The text just goes in one line and off the screen.

>>17316762
You're using v1.69.2, right? Get v1.69.3, it fixes that.

>>17307621
Attempt #2 all the deleted characters in between don't count

Once again no-heir inferno, start from scratch. Got a farm, ranch and cozy house so far, and run with little girl, gangster (I was charmed by her ''kyahaha'') and rushed to get Izpalt's exile. Got a nice bit of magic resist from adventurer trades too, so I won't get minced by wizards. I'm going to play it absolutely safe. If I die this time I will drink myself to death. Please warn me of stupid shit I must avoid doing

>>17316805
>prostate apostate
so far so good

>>17316805
Why did you travel from the future for better work?
Did they outlaw prostitution?

Also watch out in your fun, don't want to lose a character to getting aids.

>>17316805
>Please warn me of stupid shit I must avoid doing
The guildmasters are no longer fooled by disguise kits/incognito, so don't try to sneak into a guild. (That's the biggest threat I can think of offhand, mainly to longtime players who didn't hear of the change.)

>>17317072
It fools everyone else in the guild though.
It's much easier to dodge one asshole by teleporting than the whole building.

>>17317002
Let's make something up. In her timeline long after the player beat all three acts, life on Irva for a time was peaceful, but to our subject incredibly boring. There was little conflict and no great deeds to be done, and more importantly no hero dick to bounce on. So when she got a wish after drinking from a well one day, she wished to be sent back in time.

She's a 44 year old virgin

Anyone know what the limits on milking are? I know each time you milk anything you're told it was "weakened". Never paid attention to it before, but suddenly I got an "If you squeeze more milk, the putit will die." warning message.
(More putits will show up soon to replace the dead ones, of course, so I'm mostly asking out of curiosity.) Do ranch animals gradually lose that "weakness" over time, or is it a status condition that can be cured (I tried throwing restore body and restore spirit potions; didn't remove the "weakness"), or is there just a hard cap on the number of times you can milk any one ranch animal, or what?

>>17317261
Squeeze remove some health.
Heal them.

>>17317266
I overcast spells for a bit to make my Defender cast Healing Rain, but it didn't affect the ranch putits. I healed one several times with a rod of cure, but milking was still fatal.

>>17317261

healing rain or any time of healing item

kinda new here, questions

how do i get good at magic? like, really good casting most battles without fail good?

and how do I get pets to cure?

I was on 1.57 but im going to start playing custom soon and restart. I did learn some magic but got stuck when it comes to pets.

>>17317181
Well that is certainly a backstory. I take it you will be having fun being pure, rather than purposefully going out of your way to try and bring about that boring future by saving the day?

>>17317261

odd this is the text i get when i try milk them a 2nd time.

i think its just on a timer for re-milking

So if the 8 attacks max per round thing is true, did I mess up giving my mutant like 5 arms? Seems a bit pointless if you can eventually get +hit equips and 2 handed is stronger anyways

>>17316805
i like your pccs

>>17317332

>>17317332
That's the normal daily limit for milk. What I encountered was after having milked the same ones several times.

>>17317327
Yeah she's just going to party and groom this exile (female) into a godslaying wizard, and then cook her cursed forbidden meat to create the perfect husband (girl).

>>17317346
You can use them if you'd like, the download for bases+parts and shit is in the pastebin (ctrl+f collage). I still make more periodically.

>>17317306
>how do i get good at magic? like, really good casting most battles without fail good?
Have the Literacy, Memorization, and Casting skills, and train them and the spell itself up. Wear light armor, with no shield or offhand weapon.
>and how do I get pets to cure?
Self MP > 10%: And
Player HP < 50%: Healing Touch, Preserve Entity As Target
(Or just recruit Jure's pet Defender; its default AI will reliably heal you.)

>>17317306
Magic takes a few things:
1. Casting skill required. More skill = better cast rates.
2. Spell practice. The more levels a skill has, the easier to cast*
3. No shields, no dual wielding, less than 15s of worn equipment. Breaking any of these rules imposes a cast penalty.

*Wish is weird and different but don't worry about it now.

Any trick to make a magic shop keeper appear in the list for my house? I'm level 86. Still yet to see it. I gather they're pretty important

>>17316805
Inferno/Loss mode's difficulty is heavily front loaded. The most difficult time is the very beginning of the game but as your character gets stronger the difficulty lessens and eventually just plateaus because you have more agency in what kind of trouble you get in. In other words, If you can survive the beginning of the game it's pretty much smooth sailing unless you choose to look for trouble.

At the very beginning of the game I prioritized safety and success rate above all else. That meant I did only the easiest of job board quests and did dungeons far below my character level. To make gold early on I was doing only short distance escort quests. Like Vernis toYowyn, Vernis to Derphy, Palmia to Luminest, etc. Delivery quests such as where you bring a book to someone regardless of distance was perhaps the easiest job board quests to do. I only did low level green hunting quests and future god slayer Kai spent most of his time hiding behind the little girl as she tanked everything because you really are weak at the beginning of the game. Would have the little girl get the monsters attention and once the log showed me the monster was wailing on her I'd swoop in and start attacking the monster myself. Gold was used to get gear and platinum new skills.

Eventually I moved onto other job board quests like harvest, parties, and did more difficult job board quests. I also started doing very low level dungeons for small medals and ancient spellbooks to join the mage guild. In all instances I had no shame in purposely failing quests or running away if I saw something I didn't like. If I ended up in way over my head in a hunting quest I'd run off the map and fail the request. In dungeons if I saw the boss was a creature I didn't like I'd just head back up the stairs and fail at clearing the boss of the dungeon. Survive another day was pretty much my creed so no shame in running away and failing. To that end, return scrolls, escape scrolls, and rod of change creature were all great emergency tools.

You would think that if I kept playing it safe I'd have a hard time leveling but that simply wasn't true. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to level through just trying to raise skills and or spell levels. Just trying to raise crafting skills and spell buffs were giving me lots of levels at the beginning of the game. After buying or finding good gear all my gold was going to investing in magic vendors and I was using platinum to make sure any skill I was actively working on raising was at max potential.

So that's some of the stuff I did at the beginning. A little bit of luck and playing it extra safe should keep you alive during the most trying times of your character development and if you can survive that you'll be able to survive almost indefinitely.

>>17317261
Milking permanently reduces life stat. Raising it back will be too expensive to even bother. Just slay the "cannot milk anymore" ones.

>>17317568
Thanks for the post. At the start I actually mainly did harvest time quests, and now I always remember to drop by Yowyn. They're so incredibly easy when you've got gardening, and give a nice chunk of exp. Now that I've got a farm I've been using all my seeds at once and skill gain skyrocketed on the first harvest. At level 13 my gardening is already 40. I'm actually scared it will get too high and generate powerful monsters on the farm, so I'm cutting back. I found the more skills I get the faster I gain exp. Right now I'm already at the stage where I can do Lv10 or below dungeons easily, so it's time to start gathering materials and level my crafting skills. I think one of the biggest dangers for me right now would be to e.g. run into a bomb rock or kamikaze yeek room. I'm not sure whether you can reduce the explosion damage.

>>17317572
>Milking permanently reduces life stat.
Irva has some questionable livestock care.

>>17317572

man how hard is it being milk?

>>17317626
I treated dungeons as places to gather resources. Since quality of gear found on floors for selling, small medals on the boss, resource nodes, and platinum on the boss didn't care about dungeon level I wasn't in any real hurry to level up dungeons. If you keep your dungeon levels low you might not even run into the suicide guys because I think they only spawn once a dungeon is at a certain danger level. Can probably raise the dungeon danger levels slowly as you get stronger and are more confident in surviving the suicide enemies. Other tips I can give in dealing with them is the use of the teleport spell and from what I heard wet suicide enemies don't blow up. So an alchemy rain of potions to make enemies wet or bubble storm can help in such a situation if what I heard was true.

>>17317649
>wet suicide enemies don't blow up.
This is true. A water bolt every few rounds means they can't do a thing.

>>17317572
Does this mean that pets with "produce more milk" have extra life?

>>17317648
This actually holds true in real life as well. You should think twice before milking yourself from now on.

>>17317661
I think that just means they cause the randomly spawned milk on the ground to show up more often.

>>17316794
Thx

>>17317649
I take back what I said about the platinum on bosses. Higher dungeon level bosses will give more platinum but it caps at 5 platinum.

>>17317430
No idea if it has been fixed yet, perhaps it only happens if you're playing in English, but you may be running into a problem where a magic vendor you have currently shares the same name with a magic vendor you're trying to hire. Thus it won't show up on the list for hire. Thus to fix it you need to rename the magic vendor(s) you currently have and you should like in one in game day or a few in game days have another magic vendor show up in the list to be hired.

If you're not experiencing that bug then I guess all you can do is be patient for one to show up in the list to hire.

https://exhentai.org/g/856184/0f74aeb7be/
This was how milikng is done in Elona's world, we just conveniently ignored it.

>>17317767
Only if you ''milk'' them yourself and reduce their life are you like the oddland farmers, the demihumans on my ranch gently milk each other by hand and laze around the rest of the time, waiting for me to come pat them on the head and pick up the bottles.

>>17317730
>No idea if it has been fixed yet, perhaps it only happens if you're playing in English, but you may be running into a problem where a magic vendor you have currently shares the same name with a magic vendor you're trying to hire.
I don't have a magic vendor at all

>>17318121
All you can really do then is just keep checking the board. The list refreshes every day. Since I already have 8 magic vendors in my palace I decided to create a throw away character to test if anything changed in 1.69. Nothing seems to have changed from what I can see in hiring people. Managed to get a magic vendor show up for the test character after a couple of days passed.

>>17318263
Darn. Reminds me of trying to get the final chapter in RF4, which I've been unsuccesfully attempting for like 3 years

>>17318305
Your chances here are significantly better compared to one random event per longass day out of a huge list of events. And when you get one of the vendor you want, you can duplicate the same vendor by hiring one, changing their name, then hiring them again.

Do the generic derphy rogues keep their ability to steal from npcs on recruitment like prostitutes do?

hello guys it's been a while since the last time i was here! how is Elin going??? any news? 0-:

>>17318672
Someone posted this video last thread:
https://youtu.be/ZmdBiiXzjhM

>>17318677
i think i've seen that before!
has there been any news about the release date yet? i know its a bit too soon but one never knows right?

Anons what are some of your less common pets?
It seems everyone has a little girl/some form of sister/god pet/bell/karata, but what others have you used?

>>17318713

http://ylvania.org/en/elin

Anyone have any kaneda riding pcc?

>>17318754
I use an evolved rabbit because it uses time stop when its gauge fills.

>>17318754
No uglos allowed in my party. My possy can only have qt 3.14s.

Honest answer. I was thinking of adding the murder knight to the party since he looks so fucking cool but that shitty life value, plus the high INI scores made me reconsider. I might get one of those perfomaids that I've seen show up in later dungeons but they probably will have the same INI issue. I seem to remember someone did a trick to lower his pet's INI with rotten food but I don't know how exactly did he do it. I imagine just feeding it shouldn't be enough since INI is determined at chargen.

Have any anyone figured out how to fix the issue of being able to see the chat but not send messages to it? I thought I was the only one, but I heard another anon in a past thread talking about it.

>>17318867
Pretty sure there is an npc in act 3 (Oblivion Palace?) that will lower you and your pet's INI's in exchange for cutting your stats in half.

>>17318754
Fire fox brother, Black Cat. Not that uncommon I suppose.
I also have Pascal running my store.

>>17318896
Oh. Well that sucks. By the time I reach act 3 I won't even care about the perfomaid.

If I use a scroll of palace to upgrade my house all of my stuff will be moved to a single spot, right? Will I also lose my servants? And more importantly, will all the stuff in my basement vanish?

>>17318958
>will all the stuff in my basement vanish?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Furniture#Upstairs_and_downstairs
>Also if you create a floor under a home type, it will be preserved in that state for new homes -- adding a basement to your cave sets the screen dimensions and item limit of that basement to cave levels, even if you upgrade the home later. Reset the room to fix.

>>17318963
Here's an unfinished king roach
I need to make the antennas longer obiously.
Do you see anything else that is wrong?

>>17318983
Didn't meant to quote >>17318963, sorry.

Here's the same in game.

>>17318963
Hm, some of these wiki pages are awfully hard to find if you don't know what to look for. Thanks.

>>17318992
Scut, but I think a darker outline might make them fit the rest of the sprites better. Also nice Fiora you have there.

>>17318754
I dominated a spiral king from the quest from Loyter.

>>17319043
>Hm, some of these wiki pages are awfully hard to find if you don't know what to look for.
Agreed. I only found this one a couple days ago:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Easy_Gene_Engineering
Really could've used it before...

Is riding considered a must going into South Tyris? I'm playing as a wizard and it fucks with my casting success rate so I've basically ignored it until now.

>>17319074
Lol no.
Riding sucks now bro. You can just farm AP on your own once on ST and then become faster than speedy gonzalez.

>>17319074
There is one skill I have never learned.
It's Riding.

>>17319086
>>17319091
thank fuck

>>17319074
Riding is pretty much only good for early game golem play or if you play a mutant with a billion limbs.

>>17318677
>>17318799
I'm out of the loop, what is this? Why does it look so cute?

>>17319074
There's five uses to riding :
-during north tyris while you don't have access to AP yet
-to cancel the speed penalty due to hindu god status on either you by riding, or a pet by being ridden
-just after the oblivion palace reset
-a passive source of WIL exp when travelling kicks in
-roleplaying

What do you normally do when you have a lucky day buff?

>>17319235

craft weapons and treasure map stuff

>>17319221
The idea of not being on my kaneda bike displeases me.
This one more point that should be elaborated upon, instead of adding new content.

updating from 1.65, ouch that food shop nerf. Havent even started Lesimas, was content just grinding cooking all day, slowly collecting all the god pet/item/weapons, and tending to my herb garden. Guess I'll actually have to start doing some dungeon diving and selling equipment in a blacksmith shop.

>>17319235
I try to read as many of the maps I get from souvenir vendors, wizard harvest and arena wins; also spam wizard harvest;
play blackjack; pick artifact plants; craft equipment; and use vending machines to generate treasure balls on the lowest dungeon floors.

>>17319308
While the profit margin obliteration hurts, what really bothers me is that before the patch i could sell almost the entirety of the 398 items dump, while now i'm lucky if it reaches 100. And that's with selling the items the shop specialises in.

>>17319043
Thanks for your comment. I'll try to improve her a bit.

Only the G faggot to do after and I'll be able to do that quest.

>>17319235
Blackjack, 100/500 Yen gachapons, treasure maps, crafting.

>>17319439
Bubble guy here, scut, very scut! When you're done with them if you'd like me to I can have a hand at touching them up. I'd explain the changes as well if you want to get deeper into the artform.

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While I'm busy cockraoching, What do they lose whend you dominate them? What of their ele resist bit?
>>17319534
Sure, gladly.
This is where I am on king roachy.

>>17319407
>vending machines on the lowest dungeon floors
Neat trick, I'm assuming that generates them at the danger level of the dungeon floor you're on? Couldn't you just find a high-level dungeon and do it on the first floor?

>>17318992
Gokicha is life.

>>17319628
Huh. 3 hours went by really quick. I enjoyed myself though and it was a learning experience for myself too, enjoy!

dafont.com/pixelmix.font

Here's the font if you're interested. Can be useful for cheating on writing text.

>>17319840
This flying creature in the bottom right corner seems awfully familiar.

>>17319857
She hasn't been around lately.

>>17319840
Informative

>>17318754
I have like 8 rabbits

>>17318754
Messengers of Death and their evolution might be interesting options.

How would one go about changing the appearence of every member of a single species? Trying to go for a theme and it bugs me that my rabbits (which were changed with the Interact command for that) and their children don't look the same.

>>17320268
Change the original sprite one the character sheet for the new one. Literally paste it above the old one, instead that over one of the free custom spots.

Does defender's lay hands work with elona custom ai enabled?
I'm considering which god to bring big daddies corpses to with my permadeath fairy mage.

>>17320576
>permadeath fairy mage
Someone likes to live dangerous.

>>17320576
Hauling corpses to the altar isn't worth the trouble

>>17320593
4-dimensional pocket lad. Store them there and bring them out in challenge and panic quests in Palmia/Noyel. Easy 250 favor.

>>17320588
Nowhere close to a snail tourist, you shoot crap from other side of the screen and enjoying op buffs.

>>17320576
Yeah, it works fine. He'll automatically cast it the first time he sees someone take lethat damage, custom ai or not.

>>17320666
Thank you, Anon.

>>17320622
Yeah, up until you get crit-shot from around a corner.

>>17318754
slime girl, buildion, desweeper, candle wisp, magic hawk moth

good pets out of those: magic hawk moth

>>17318896
>>17318922
oblivion palace is act 2

>>17320820
On the other hand, permadeath has no meaning if its not risky at all.

>>17320842
Earlygame is risky no matter what kind of character you got. And even for high powered characters, there's always an element of risk. You can die just carelessly misreading a book twice, or from to a monster summoned out of nowhere (wells, adventurer with cursed gear) or from a cluster bomb rock teleporting you in to introduce you to his family (that'd kill even my character who otherwise completes level 150 dungeons with ease). And I fear for the inferno player who meets a grass dancer or group of cockatrices for the first time. In Elona there aren't any mindflayers sucking out your brain to inflict stat death or wands of death that instant kill, but there is still plenty of scary shit. Just consider that up until you reach quite a high level, if Bethel ever decides to get drunk and hit someone with the Ragnarok in Vernis, you can kiss your character goodbye.

>>17320842
Minimizing risk is how you succeed though.
I had a Golem pugilist that I beat Act 1 with, sadly lost the file subsequently.

Some progress.

>>17320969
I had a maxi-handed mutant with soul spindled bell, a few balls and a set of godlike weapons.
Then i started as an orphaned golem and just built full tank while my pets did the job.
Both chars were boring as fuck. Now with fairy i'm fucking scared of every yerles machinegunner and desperately grinding gold to boost learning via gene engineering to avoid getting instagib'bed by sudden summons.
Somehow its both incredibly fun and annoying at the same time, but at least it fights boredom.

>>17321013
Honestly it's the equipment restriction that keeps me away from fairies.
Fuck that shit.

>>17321013
>boring
>boredom
>annoying
You sure you like this game?

>>17321018
Yeah its the only truly annoying part til i start swimming in flying scrolls. But Ano boosted dodge some time ago so maybe DV++ feat is not that bad.

is there any reason why philosopher's stone mask doesnt actually change race? high reqs to get or make, needs a recipe for any past the first 3 you get, is only cosmetic. assuming the choice "mutant" was struck from the list you could choose would it really be broken to actually change a race?

>>17321033
Rearranging Life/Mana values is a pretty big no-no from a balance perspective.
Also INI cheese.

>>17321039
oh i see. oh well, i guess it would be pretty bad if people took intense training holidays as a snail and came back a lich. too bad, maybe eventually there'll be more race support (like how shells, yeeks, and imps have lords that buff their race)

>>17321027
Aren't there enemies with physical attacks which ignore DV?

>>17321024
>incredibly fun at the same time
Sure. I like this game but lack of any kind of risk makes gameplay too dull. I've already dropped Elona a few times after building perfect chars before.

>>17321060
many, crits ignore DV and so do absolute piercing attacks, crits i guess get fucked on by greater evasion but i dunno what you do against absolute pierce

>>17321080
You already beat all the acts, S Tyris chaos bosses and gotten deep into the void before? There's only one player I can think of that has a character close to ''perfect''

>>17321013
>I had a maxi-handed
I stil ldon't get the point of this if the 8 melee attacks per turn and duel wield being weaker than 2 handed things are both true

>>17321080
As someone who just started and hasnt even made it to south tyris yet I feel odd.

>>17321060
>>17321092
Also Shield Bashes.

>>17321111
Elona seems to have really front loaded difficulty. Once you start getting speed in south tyris everything kind of just dies at you. I play with no pets outside of breakfest, pretty much do nothing but jump into dungeons twice my level and I haven't even needed to think about what I'm doing in what feels like forever. I can't imagine how easy it is for the people using the absurdly fast scaling pets to fight for them.
And even if you do get into trouble, the game constantly spams rods of tele at you. Thousands of them. You get quests to hand them in that reward them for succeeding.

>>17321139
You can also make yourself a few dozen of them in a single turn.

I designated one of my pets as a martial artist and she's just pulverizing everything with Attribute.

>>17321060
Yep, and enemies with jiu-jitsu is super scary. But vorpal is just as scary if you focus on pv.
Key point is that DV was nearly completely useless before, and now i'm not sure about that.
>>17321099
I've had my pets beat chaos fort bosses before i could even see them. Dunno about the void since i never dived too deep, but most of my pets(aside from obligatory little girl maybe) could get thru 400-500 pet arena rounds 1v9, and i rarely could put to use all those timestop/crit living adamantium lightsabres.
>>17321106
Invokes are nice. As for raw damage, I bet maxed out MA is the best now, but i'll never level it high enough on PC char to compare.

My fairy gains around 900% evasion from his DV bonus. I don't know how helpful this is because my pets kill everything before I can get attacked.

>>17321185
After a point it stops mattering.
You could have 1,000,000% evasion but you're still gonna get smacked by everything that ignores it.

>>17321173
>Invokes are nice. As for raw damage, I bet maxed out MA is the best now, but i'll never level it high enough on PC char to compare.
Pretty sure the guy with the super mega godlike pc already did

>>17321345
I mean yeah, but you're talking about the guy who has put multiple thousands of hours in.

>>17321345
His PC is focused on ranged,i think? DW is too weak with only 2 weapons due to lack of crit damage bonus from weight.
But its hard to compare since MA doesnt have invokes. Single timestop proc practically doubles total damage.

>>17321385
Kai did do a comparison. DW would match MA if you manage to proc time stop on every one of your eight attacks.

>>17321478
err maybe i'm stupid but dont you get another 8 attacks after single timestop 1-turn proc?

It adds free turn(s) where only attacking character could move, not attack, and each turn nets you another 8 attacks or spells/actions.
Not sure if you can refresh time stop turn if you proc it during time-stop'ed turn.

>>17321578
You'd have to ask him yourself, I'm no expert on time stop.
I just recall that being the gist of his tests.

>>17321591
Well that sounds wrong to me, i remember testing it with diablo and it basically gave me 3 or 4 free turns to attack target during proc.Imagine me and enemy both got 2k speed, with 4t timestop i had equivalent of 10k speed(total 5 my turns vs 1 enemy turn). with this.
Well its been 2 years since i've played with it, maybe i forgot something.

>>17321627
Yes, but MA also gets up to 8 attacks per turn in addition to an absolutely mind-boggling amount of damage. Plus elemental damage of the attribute of choice.
It's a huge wall of damage.

>>17321696
In the end it depends whether you can or cant refresh timestop counter during time-stopped turn.
You need to consider the fact that you have to leave your hands empty for MA and stack multi-hit bonuses on equipment to get reliable max # of hits.
I wonder how well proximity assist weapon will do with DW at higher skill/bonus levels.

>>17321794
You need multi hit bonuses for 8 hits with DW, so that's a moot point. Proximity works with MA as well.
Like I said, ask Kai.

>>17321822
8 weapons with #### multihit bonus from drake rod
11 hits total + proximity assist.
You probably need to(attempt to) debuff enemy with gravity to reliably hit with criticals, though. Also, critrate wont go above 50% no matter what you do, it seems.
Not sure about max critrate, too easy to misunderstand formula from wiki's eye of mind page

>>17321957
>>17321794
One stop time proc from <Rankis> (#####)
5 additional turns to attack target, and dont forget the part where you get additional tons of xp for that.
However i dont remember an event when i proc'ed time stop during time stop-ed turn, so it may be impossible to make endless chain, at least.in last e+ version.

Btw, this is a low-skilled lv40 char in lv120 dun.

>>17321957
So the 8 hits per round thing is bs?

>>17322210
Well its a 8-hand mutant on those logs. I may try to EloSnack a few more hands just to make sure, but i think it is bs.

Just noticed that you get 100% hitrate with stop time too. I guess DW mutants have to focus solely on this proc to be successful.

>>17322228
Yea its for mutant I was thinking it sounded really bs. Getting more hands is the main reason to play one

>>17322259
This whole thing started from this
>>17321106

>>17322283
Last thread someone said there was a cap of 8 melee hits also

>>17322283
Nah, in a previous thread when even Kai was wondering if hand oriented mutants could break the 8 attack limit some anon claimed to have extra hands mutant and that even with tons of extra attack equipment the number of attacks was capped at 8.

People seemed to just take his word for it.

That being said, DW is pure shit without at least 4 hand slots, and becomes better than Two Hand only at 6-8+ hands with good weapons due to damage/crit multipliers.

>>17322298
to be fair he is like lv7000

10 weapons.

>>17322720
>"You repay kindness with ingratitude?" "Uhhh"

10/10 Oscar worthy dialogue.

>>17322547
No I was saying another anon convinced Kai and everyone else of the mutant cap.

Kai didn't know either since he has never played a mutant.

today was a lucky day

Is this worth hanging on to?
It's living, but it doesn't seem too noteworthy otherwise.

>>17323002
Living things always worth hanging on to. Even if guaranteed high-grade enchantment is meh, you can just load it with skill+ enchantments and create a perfect utility tool.

>>17323189
Or load it with "it maintains <stat>" and "it increases <stat>" and then use raw material kit.

>>17318754
I have a Lamia (evolved cobra, 13 slots with extra ring instead of legs).

I also picked a bear as my starter, got him all human slots and imagine him as Dovahbear. I only I had a Dovahbear sprite.

>>17317376
Different anon here, what if I have claws as my offhand weapon? Does it still affect my magic?

>>17324099
nope claws dont act as a shield or weapon

if i make a gene does it remove all eligible items from inventory even if i have them set to no-drop?

>>17324250
You keep them all.
The gene file gets duplicates.

>>17324304
You're serious. why haven't I done this yet

Oh snap, I wonder what will happen.

>>17324346
Please reconsider.

>>17324353
How will he spawns a zombie loli otherwise?

Nothing happened, can't even steal my candy back. What a shame.

Just going to throw this up as people have been discussing damage styles. This is for a non mutant and all damage was against a sandbagged mithril golem with cap armor skills. Picture 1 is of my martial arts damage. Had clear mind and attribute running which are special actions that only martial arts can make the most of. 2,639,624 damage but could have been 3 million if I had all my hits crit.

Picture 2 is of me two handing a living spear weighing 420s. Only thing of note on it is magic damage[1800]. 715,000 damage in total. Still room to grow in damage as I haven't capped the two hand skill. I haven't capped polearm yet ether but I don't see the skill contributing much more to my damage multiplier. I think 2 million damage is reasonable to expect once stuff is capped.

Picture 3 shows dual wielding. I dual wielded two living spears that both had magic damage at 1800. Total damage was 439,300. Don't really expect my damage with dual wielding to grow much. Already have tactics capped and I don't think I'm going to get much more damage multiplier from my polearm skill. Dual wield skill contributes nothing to the damage multiplier.

So for damage it looks like MA is best followed by two hand and last is dual wield. At least for a non mutant.

Now things get interesting if you factor in timestop. The magnitude of the timestop enchant on a weapon determines how many extra actions you get in a turn. The higher the magnitude the more actions you get. It's very hard to find timestop on weapons and harder still to find one at a decent magnitude though. At a decent magnitude 5 extra actions can be expected.

Assuming my spear for two hand also had timestop on it and I got 5 extra actions. That 2 million damage under the best circumstances where all 5 extra actions lead to 4 attacks would turn into 12 million damage(5 timestop actions * 2 million damage + the initial 2 mill). It's really hard to hit 4 times each action though but nevertheless it's possible for two hand to hit harder than MA if timestop procs and you luck out with your attacks. If I applied timestop to dual wielding I'd get around 2,635,800 damage. So dual wielding approaches MA's damage in this instance with a non mutant character.

MA can probably do more consistent damage due to not having to rely on procs and needing to get consistent 8/4 attacks but two hand and dual wield can spike their damage every now and then with time stop. This is assuming dual wield and two hand combine timestop with some sort of magic damage or element damage of high magnitude on their weapons. Must have both or they fall short of what MA puts out. Pictures show that a great deal of their damage comes from that extra magic damage.

>>17324418
Picture 4 is just of me playing around with damage inflation. Know how if you make enemies wet and then cast a cold spell you do more damage? Well I changed the element of my fists to ice, casted element scar and bubble storm, then started punching the mithril golem. Almost 5 million damage in one turn or a 2 million damage increase in the damage I was doing with just having my fists set to magic damage. Can probably put ice damage on weapons to achieve the same damage boost although magic damage is still all purpose less hassle. I'm just glad with MA that it's easy to change my elements on the fly with element eyes.

>>17324424
Have you tried megid flame in lower void levels, per chance? I wonder how much worse it is than element scar.

I use custom ai on my mage pets to apply wet status on enemies first, i wonder if electric(maybe with a chance to paralyze enemies, but not sure if its possible for stat-capped targets) first would be good.

>>17324418
All and all MA is the best for pets since you can train it in pet arena while applying maximum speed debuffs for your PC to save time.
Gotta say that for PC timestop proc is excellent for fast training as well, too bad you dont train eye of mind while it lasts(no crits).

...somehow that 10-hand DW log made me want to make a little sister pet and add her 11 limbs with gevala service, then add some limbs via gene engineering and level her....such a monstrocity that will be, i imagine. And maybe make her ride my PC, since you cant make pets ride other pets, unfortunately.

>>17324430
Unfortunately I don't have any pets with megid flame. I'd be interested in seeing how it functions on scaled enemies as well though. Guess I'll leave that for someone else to find out.

>>17324447
You could turn her into a shoulder-mounted turret by adding only hands and putting only claws in the hand slot.
Maybe add a custom talk file with "pewpewpew" for onkill.

>>17324467
But it wont flood your log with a hundred attacks per turn. Sweet idea though.

Craft shit on 777 lucky days.

when you do find some thing good jam in piercing tear stone jewels+what ever other stats you need.

>>17324493

My FSM with 4 crit living light sabers.

Most of the Sabers have 4/5 levels left to go

>>17324516
Definitely one powerful FSM. Should probably focus on crit hits with a mutant pet myself.

>>17324516

>>17324538

How do you change the names of items? My juice bottles are all labeled bottlebottle.

Anyone knows what 'hyper dash' gives (i understand that its speed, but what magnitude?), unicorn and machine storm(large bike evolved) got that.

>>17324418

>Dual wield skill contributes nothing to the damage multiplier.

Is this really true? My multiplier is lower when dual wielding (very low level skill) than 1h + shield. If dual wield skill and shield skill both contribute nothing to the damage multiplier then what would cause that?

>>17324695
Direct paste from a changelog since the special action page is missing it despite things linking to it directly.

Hyper Dash -
Learned during level up if Riding skill is 80 or above.
Nothing happens if used while not riding/being ridden.
Effect is applied to the player if used by the steed the player is riding, or if used by the pet riding the player.
If used by the player when the player is not riding, the below mentioned effects do not occur.
The character controlling movement (or the tag partner of an NPC) will be able to displace enemies from their tile with this buff.
When the player is under the effect of this buff, a melee attack will not occur when moving in the direction of an enemy and the enemy will get displaced.
Shadow Step and Distance Attack can still be used. Select the appropriate option from the 'i'nteract menu to use melee attacks.
Be aware that NPCs will not attempt to push away an enemy standing between them and their target.
Inflicts 1 turn of Wince. Damage is reduced by the average of the target's PV + DV + Dexterity.
The character controlling movement will gain Riding skill experience. (Also given to the player's steed/rider, and to tag partners of NPCs.)
This is basically a hit-and-run attack.
Divine cattle and unicorn NPCs from evolution will now have this special action.


And from a later changelog:
NPCs are now able to destroy walls and doors when buffed with Hyper Dash.

>>17324693
ItemList.txt if i recall correctly

>>17324702
Oh, should have checked changelog myself first. Thanks.
>>17324699
weapon skill contributes to damage multiplier. DW skill only reduces hit% penalty for offhand attacks, as far as i know

How the heck does Decapitation work?
I thought it was an invoke on weapons, but Leold can teach it to pets and then it becomes an ability? Is that the same thing?

>>17324828

ability one is the 10% hp one

>>17324917
But can't the weapon invoke only trigger below 10% anyway?

>>17324927
Both the weapon ability and the AP learned skill activate below 10% HP. The latter should work with any melee fighting style, while the first is usually found on scythes. I have a martial arts pet and she really likes to rip heads off.

>>17324418
Interdastin thanks

>>17324418
>Assuming my spear for two hand also had timestop on it and I got 5 extra actions. That 2 million damage under the best circumstances where all 5 extra actions lead to 4 attacks

Timestopped turns work differently. You get 100% hitrate always, but weapons cannot crit. Vorpal\PAW attacks still work, though. Well you can get weapon with higher weight only in main hand so crit multiplier is too low for DW anyway.

There is another downside of timestop - procrate is 5% or less, so you need many hits to apply it reliably. 8 hits for non-mutant may be not enough to contend with TH under best circumstances.

how does time stop ammo work with multihit? if you fire time stop ammo and get extra ranged attacks does it stack more time stops or what?

>>17325807
Question is: do you use more ammo during multi-hit?

Timestop's general rule: only one timestop can be active. You cannot proc next TS while time is stopped.

So multi-hit with TS ammo shouldnt do anything, i guess.

A super hungry sea lion just turned into a level 1065 Yerleswood type M on the 225th floor of the Void. Love when this happens.

>>17324693
This is a "bug" in custom, seems to have been around at least since 1.62, I'm not sure what the intention of that was, will have to check with Anna, but it is definitely being fixed next version of custom.

>>17326204
I just assumed it was a simple mistake. Like, in one place the base item type was "bottle", and then in another place the derived item name was "bottle of %fruit%", but it should've been "bottle" and " of %fruit%".

How do I fix this graphical issue?

>>17326257
Stop using meteor.

>>17326230
It is in fact a simple "mistake", at some point Anna probably identified item id 1005 as being bottles, and put the type as bottle in the item information.

Unfortunately the code starts the string with that information, so instead of it being empty it was now set to "bottle", and the very next line checks if the item id is 1005 and adds "bottle" to the string, causing the "bottlebottle" string to be set.

For now I removed the bottle string from the item information, but I'll have to wait for Anna to confirm if there was anything else to it that made her add that.

>>17326274
sometimes you have to end an entire floor full of undeads

The general goods vendor wanted a round chair. So I bought a round chair from the general goods vendor and handed it in. Wait...

is there any way to counteract bleeding aside from massive heals? I'm gearing up to make an imp gene with the performaids but i'm realizing that "the user bleeds severely" on a lv10 pet is probably instant death.

>>17326871
There is a bitflag (cCureBleeding) and equipment (crimson plate) that counteract bleeding. I'm not sure what creatures have the flag except miss vampire, or whether the anti-bleeding attribute can show up on random arts.

>>17326899
ah man i forgot i had a crimson plate. that's good for current character, wish I could pass it on. maybe a blade pet for a ranch. I will keep an eye out for random artifacts with that attribute. Thanks!

>>17326899
>whether the anti-bleeding attribute can show up on random arts.
Yes, it can, I have one or two pieces of armor which diminish bleeding. It's just rarer than other negating attributes.
And it seems like none of the creatures have cCureBleeding, aside from evolutions.

>>17327055
Wow, you'd expect at least like vampire bats or something to have it.

>>17325237
Do I need to tell my pet to actually use the Decapitation ability though, or will it sort of "auto-trigger?"

How do you decrease speed of the npc to recruit it later with astral light pen? I assume that stats are decreased by cursed restore body/spirit potions, but i have no idea what to do with speed.