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>>1723908
It's not fucking it up.
Just a new perspective due to different circumstances.

>>1723908
>HF is fucking up Shirou's character.
I agree completely with your post

UBW and Fate ftw

Every route was supposed to fuck up Shirou's character.

Fate - Delving futher into retardation
UBW - Knowing that everyone can't be saved
HF - Sacrificing everything

100% agreed.

HF: Goin the extra mile for a whore.

Hmmm, Reminds me of an old movie I once saw.

>>1723908
>raep Sakura
I fixed that for you

>>1723918
Aw come on, Shirou's basis in life was to save people, Okay, in UBW he realises he can't save everyone, but still, he does it anyway.
HF on the other hand, just has him going " Oh hey, I've been wanting to do this all my life, but since I just started caring about my friend I haven't given a shit about for the last few years, I'm just going to screw all this."
Geez, Heaven't Feel should've been a whole Mind of Steel route.

>>1723918
UBW and Fate were the same, Shirou saving everyone he could.

HF shat all over my King

HF was fine. What you want is some retarded mix of UBW and HF.

If you don't like it, don't play it again.

Incidentally Rin was at her best here I think. I wanted a Rin end over Sakura personally, but that'd go against the entire theme of the route.

>>1723932
It wasn't even Shirou's ideal - it was Kiritsugu's. Heaven forbid Shirou does his own thing.

>>1723935
This though, I will agree on. Saber (and Gil, incidentally) got shafted hard in HF. Still, Shirou beating Dark Saber was satisfying. Route made up for it with Ilya and Kotomine though.

>>1723932
He doesn't just say 'screw all other people'.
But instead of puting everyone else in higher priority than himself, , now Sakura becomes the first.

Of course, if you don't like Sakura, that doesn't help much.

>>1723908
op got a higher resolution picture? can't really see Ilya in that one

What I wanted was UBW with the few moments of awesome HF had.
Suddenly changing a character's personality thanks to a little girl's comment in a park is stupid.
I half expected Shirou to decapitate her right after choosing to be a superhero.

>>1723942
exactly Sakura sucks

The problem with HF is that Sakura is a realistic female character. Saber and Rin are basically men with tits+vagina - the idealized perfect female. Sakura is just like the real life females who ruin our lives, so it's particularly rage inducing when Shirou starts thinking with his dick and fails at everything because of her.

Sakura is #1
<3

>>1723945
Accepting your father's ideal is a very good and manly thing to do.

>>1723951
>Shirou starts thinking with his dick
I, for one, don't blame him...

>>1723944
Sorry, I don't.

>>1723916

>>UBW ftw

I guess I would have liked Fate route more, if I hadn't watched that mediocre anime first. The best thing about HF Shirou is that although he sacrifices everything for a whore, he at least isn't as retarded as Fate Shirou. God, he was intolerable bastard!

>>1723955
And self-destructive.

Anyway, HF is good enough for this 'true' ending.

>>1723957
I for one do.
This is a war, you're supposed to kill people, not think about your slut friend who should've died already.
The sex in F/SN annoys me.

So. Archer.

How's 'bout that there archer the eh guys?
goes around
fuckin with time causin paradoxes.

Fate/zero VN where?

>>1723966
Yes, cause Shirou always goes enthusiastically into war, marching in his white horse, challenging Servants in the other routes.

In fact, I want an Archer route.

>>1723972
THIS!!!

I want to see my King in an Armani

>>1723966
It's not a war you dumb shit.
That's just the name for it.
It's people like you that makes the grail war so damn violent.

>>1723957
I don't really like Sakura, but she's pretty hot. Too bad Nasu sex scenes suck. Or well, eroge sex scenes suck period. A Heavens Feel OVA should come with all the hot dickings animated, that'd basically be the best thing ever.

>>1723952

I am annoyed by Sakura's generic moe voice. Taiga on the other hand is fucking win.

>>1723979
I'm talking about what I would've rather liked to have.
Now, if you want the guy to care about the girl he hasn't given a damn about until here and just scrap all he's been doing until now, go ahead.

>>1724001
A GIL ROUTE YOU SAY?

turns out gil was a girl all along.

WE NEVER KNEW

>>1723980
From Rin's perspective. And then a Lancer route, a Saber route, and then for shits and giggles a Gil route.

Would be the most awesome thing ever.

>>1723984
Well, we are fighting other masters to get the grail, call it a war, a fight or a competition if you may, beating the others is what we do.

>>1723987
Rin lead-up to the sex scene and Akiha's sex scene were good at least.

Picturing Akiha thrashing around with your slightest touch...
Excuse me , gotta read a certain doujin

>>1724006
>Picturing Akiha thrashing around with your slightest touch...
>Excuse me , gotta read a certain doujin
please share

>>1723966
The guy just wanted a piece of Sakura's ass. How can you blame him?

>>1724006
I didn't really like those, but you know what, I was wrong. Shiki's dream where Akiha is watching, hot damn. That's probably one of the hottest things I've ever read.

>>1723998
Taiga's VA sucks

>>1724020
An Infatuated Girl.

Loli and gym-Clothes Akiha loving with decent art,

>>1724022
Than, he should've simply raped her after killing Shinji, not like she wouldn't like it anyway.
Don't drag his " OH WOW YOU FUCKING MATURED, I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT THIS MAKES MY PENIS TINGLE" act for a week.

>>1724025
Posting related material.

>>1724039
I still have a save file right there. I'm probably going to go fap to that later, thanks.

>>1724036
You're expecting too much from Shirou... I think you lost him...

>>1724046
Well, true this isn't very in character.

>>1723961
They should have had more explicit CGs for this...
fap fap fap fap...

>>1724039
Why couldn't every scene be as hot as this?

>>1724034

What and Sakura's is good? Ha! That's funny!

>>1724025
Ｔｈｅ　ｏｎｌｙ　ｇｏｏｄ　ｓｅｘ　ｓｃｅｎｅ　ｈｅ　ｅｖｅｒ　ｗｒ
ｏｔｅ．

>>1724069
Sakura's was moe~
<3

>>1724070
Fucking agree.

>>1724065
Because it's the zenith of h-scenes, it's perfect.

>>1723951
>realistic woman character
More like idealized Japanese woman character

>Taiga's VA sucks

WHAT.

Also, I hate the fact that Kotomine is here so awesome while he does not much aside from being last boss in fate and last boss's master in UBW.

Taiga's VA - Sachiko
Rin's VA - Yumi

Marimite/stay night

>>1724125
While he is clearly awesome in HF, he is much like Roa.
May not see much, but what he has set in motion is incredible.

>>1724137
Yeah, I understand he's been doing all this during the routes.
But I hate the fact that I only get to see it now.
Like how he uses up his magic crest just to make Shirou and Rin suffer more.
It's so awesome.

>>1724137
And when he appears, he's the star of the stage for that time.

Sometimes, good characters should appear sparingly, so that other, lesser characters don't get pushed into oblivion.

>>1724157
This is why team GAR never got to fight together as a team.

>>1724167
If they did, there'd be no Fate/Stay Night. It would self-destruct under the weight of their awesome.

Seriously, the three most awesome characters from the game together at one time? United?

>>1724167
>>1724169
Kotomine lets Lancer fight seriously and spam minor Gae Bolg. Gil goes serious on all the Servants that survived. Kotomine finishes off rogue Masters. War ends in three days. Maybe less.

>>1724209
Archer goes UBW against Gil but gets Gae Bolg'd.

>>1724209
Seriously, what the fuck was Kotomine thinking when he commanded Lancer to take it easy?

>>1724169

>>1724228
Get enough info to make the Grail War even a greater Clusterfuck.

>>1724228
I lol'd in UBW when he ordered Lancer to kill himself

I'd like to see a REAL 5th Heaven's Feel.Where:

Zouken is present
Matou Sakura fights
Lancer and Gil don't get eaten
etc.

>>1723979
>Yes, cause Shirou always goes enthusiastically into war, marching in his white horse, challenging Servants in the other routes.
His father did!

>>1724259
More like he would sneak around blackmailing, taking hostages and assassinating whilst Saber went around fighting her 'honorable duels'.

And the whole point of the game is that Emiya Shirou is Emiya Shirou, not Emiya Kiritsugu.

>>1724272
The point of the game is that Emiya Shirou has taken Kiritsugu's ideals in 2/3 of the game.
Slightly styled them in Fate, gone semi 4th War Kiritsugu in UBW and completely dropped them in HF.
Obviously, Kiritsugu's ideals are a bigger topic in game than saving the slut.

>>1723908
>Game should've gone Mind of Steel route

Reload a UBW save.

>>1724278
Haha, but that taking Kiritsugu ideals wasn't an answer, but saving Sakura indeed is. Fate and UBW only explains "who is Emiya Shirou", nothing more, nothing less.

Look to Fate/Zero as well. Your beloved Kiritsugu ends EXACTLY as HF Shirou, but realizing it too late to save Iri.

If you don't like it, forget about Fate/stay night.

>>1724285
but Kiritsugu doesn't save Sakura, so hes a winner

>>1724285
>Look to Fate/Zero as well. Your beloved Kiritsugu ends EXACTLY as HF Shirou, but realizing it too late to save Iri.

the same Kiritsugu who shot without remorse an illusion of Irisviel without knowing it was a fake?

>>1724268
Same difference.

Sakura,
At first, she was tight, like anoos of seven year old.
Now, her vagine hang loose, like sleeve of wizard.

>>1724285
Kiritsugu betrays her in the end, so that nobody gets the holy grail.
I don't see Shirou betraying Sakura here.

>>1724285
Wrong. Kiritsugu is not UBW Shirou. Kiritsugu is like a much, much darker version of Archer. Both of them had ideals that they started out with, but ended up being betrayed by WHILE also betraying them. Instead of resisting the contradiction, moving forward while refusing to betray the ideal, and accepting the pain, Archer and Kiritsugu grew cold inside and stopped thinking about the ideal, only concentrating on the results. They lost sight of the process completely.

UBW Shirou made a promise to never lose sight of the here and now, the people in front of him, and what he has to do at the moment, instead of only working for a future result. Kiritsugu would've never been able to do that. He could only calculate the risks and chance of success for a result, then take the action needed for it.

Archer, when he lost sight of himself, did the same thing.

>>1724313
Except Archer, like Shirou, sucks at results, so he lived an even more painful like than Kiritsugu because he wasn't as good as him at getting the results he was willing to betray himself for.

>>1724299
>>1724307
He betrays her because it's too late. The Grail can't grant that, Iri is lost and he will never see Ilya again.

So he breaks apart. His final wish, live happily with Iri and Ilya, can't be granted because it's too late.

What's "Mind of Steel"?

>>1724344
A "bad end" in which Shirou decides to not betray his ideals, refuses to save Sakura when Rin goes to end her, and Kiritsugu praises him as being "Emiya Kiritsugu" reborn.

The defining quote is when he talks to Illya, he decides what he must do, and turns his mind to steel, so that no doubt can dissuade him.

He wins the Grail War.

>>1724344
It's when you're so determined, nothing can make you sway from your objective.
It's the name we call the " I want to be a superhero" bad end.

>>1724344
Shirou becomes badass and defeats everyone. To avenge Saber, of course

>>1724353
That being said, I would've liked the bad end to last a bit longer, enough to see him kick ass, that is.

>>1723908

I AGREE SO MUCH WITH THIS POST

YOU ARE RIGHT OP

>>1724356
Saber gets no love in HF. She's part of the reason you decide to TURN YOUR MIND TO STEEL, and that's a bad end. You get the chance to spare her, but doing so is also a bad end.

Nasu fucking hates Saber/Shirou. The only time she doesn't die/fade into sparkles is when she becomes Rin's pet.

>>1724365
Indeed, that's why he made the first route focus on that, and unlike Shirou/Rin or Shirou/Sakura routes, there are far less obstructions during their interactions.

>>1724365
I know.

Rin gets three sex scenes, Sakura gets like 10, and Saber is only done once.

Even though she got that extra end in the PS2 port.

>>1724365
Because Saber/Rin is canon. Shirou can go fuck that slut Sakura.

>>1724358
The point of the bad end, and the reason it is a bad end ,is that he replaces his humanity completely with his ideal, making the same mistake as Kiritsugu.
The story might be enjoyable in a "fuck year rip and tear!" kind of way but it is his loss.

>>1724353
>>1724354
Oh, that. Completed it some time back but didn't make the connection. Got it.

>>1724376
It's not even a real ending.
It's a followup of the FATE end, to make you feel a little less bitter and depressed.

>>1723908
>Game should've gone Mind of Steel route, kill Sakura, take Rider, fight Archer, team up with Kotomine to kill Zoken/True Assassin, fight Archer barehanded, UBW, kick everything else's ass until the end, fight Kotomine barehanded while discussing the false dichotomy of good and evil.

Then you keep Rider after the end of the war.

>>1724376
Saber gets "mana injection" twice actually. Once before Berserker and once before Gilg.

>>1724389
No, that was Rin's sex scene

>>1724387
And proceed to have sex with her in F/ha.

>>1724387
Oh, sounds nice, too.

>>1724387
Shirou will not enjoy it, at that point, he is like a robot after all.

>>1724441
That's why Rider is there to bring him back.

With sex.

Its a shame Ilya got shafted in UBW

I want to shaft Saber, if you know what I mean