/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Sekai/Denpa/Maiden
Ley-Line: The Borderline of Dusk - In QA, Summer release
Ley-Line: Daybreak of Remnants Shadow - 72% translated, Kickstarter finished, Summer release
Ley-Line: Flowers Falling in the Morning Mist - Picked up, Kickstarter finished, Winter 2018 release
Grisaia no Rakuen - Steam version released, uncut release upcoming
Hoshizora no Memoria - 100% translated, Kickstarter ongoing, Fall 2017 release
Hoshizora no Memoria Eternal Heart - Stretchgoal in ongoing Kickstarter
The Bell Chimes For Gold - 62% translated
KaraKara 2 - 100% translated, late 2017 release
Memory's Dogma - Code:01 Released, 02 onwards upcoming
2236 A.D. - 100% translated, Engine/QA work ongoing
Maitetsu - In QA
Nenokami - Part 2 2017 release
Kokonoe Kokoro - 100% translated, engine work
Creature to Koi Shiyo - 100% translated, engine work
Tenshin Ranman - 99.01% translated
Darekoi - 100% translated Engine/QA work ongoing
Wagamama High Spec - 100% translated, Denpa version announced. Demo released
>Koikuma - 73.93% translated, 2017 release
Fault Milestone 2 - Side Above released, GE still to come
SakuSaku - Engine/QA work ongoing, Spring 2017 release
Baldr Sky - Picked up both 1 and 2
Fatal Twelve - 72% translated, Kickstarter finished, demo released
Her and Her and My 7 Days - 70% translated
Girls in Glasses - Picked up
CyberRebeat - Picked up
G-senjou no Maou - Denpa version announced
Re;Lord ~Herford no Majo to Nuigurumi~ - 100% translated
Nekopara Vol 4 - Announced
Unannounced Project 1 - 68% translated
Unannounced Project 2 - 100% translated, editing/engine work ongoing


Frontwing
Grisaia: Phantom Trigger - Vol 3 July 28th release, Indiegogo project ongoing
Sharin no Kuni - 2nd Kickstarter finished, goal reached, August 2017 release
Island - Roughly 50% translated, 2017 release
Subahibi - 2017 release
English release planned for "upcoming adult title"


Visual Arts
Little Busters - On Steam Greenlight, 2017 release
Rewrite+ - Picked up
Angel Beats - 50% translated


Degica
>Symphonic Rain - Released
Muv Luv Alternative - 2017 release
Muv-Luv Photonflowers - Translation started
Muv-Luv Photonmelodies - To follow Photonflowers
Schwarzesmarken - Through Greenlight
Kiminozo - Picked up


Aksys
Collar x Malice - 7/28 release
Bad Apple Wars - 2017 release
Code: Realize fandisc - Picked up


Fruitbat
Seven Days - Late 2017 release
SeaBed - Late 2017 release
Chuusotsu! 1st graduation - Kickstarter finished, demo released, late 2017 release


Other
>Kyuuketsu Hime no Libra - 6/20 release
Dies irae - Released, uncut patch late July
Tayutama 2 - Summer release
Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro - Sept 5th release
Danganronpa V3 - 9/26 release
Chaos;Child - Q3 release
Magical Charming - Fall release planned
428: Shibuya Scramble - 2018 release
Love Sweets - Picked up
Noratoto - Picked up
Himawari to Koi no Kioku - On Steam Greenlight
Harumade, Kururu - Seems to have an English release planned
Taisho Alice - Volume 1 released
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

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>>17195241
For a game that was fully translated six years ago. How do they do it?

>>17195552
>How do they do it?
Poorly? Slowly?

>>17195241
OP forget to update Flowers.

The time is nigh

>>17196107
With MG now doing Steam patches I wouldn't be surprised if we get Bullet Butlers.

>>17196609
why would they license BB if Tokyo Babel flopped?

>>17196922
Don't all of MG's non-nukige flop?

>>17196936
No, only most of them.

>>17196936
Kindred Spirits and Gahkthun did fine.

>>17196990
You surely have a good reading comprehension.

Is it going to be another December without angels /jp/?

;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vTlNKnOSs

I haven't played a VN since 2014. Any good ones been translated since then?

>>17197083
Hadaka Shitsuji

>>17197083

>>17196922
Kouryuu did say that they were interested in doing more Propeller games. Not sure if it's true on Propeller's side though.

>>17196936
Moege do fine. Gameplay titles also do well, but all of Mangagamer's gameplay titles are either nukige or extremely sex heavy (like Rance VI) unless you count the Kara no Shoujo series. That series did do well enough to get hard copies for 1 and 2, if only because of a persistent fan base.

>>17196922
Tokyo Babel was all ages and less well regarded than Bullet Butlers.

>>17197001
Is the VN that good or is this just a meme?

>>17197472
it's a Leaf VN, so it has to be good

>>17197472
It doesn't matter anymore. It's gotten memed so hard it can't be anything but disappointing.

Hm, Hoshimemo kickstarter is ending a little while, it hasn't reached 75k - which is the stretch goal for Eternal Heart - and based on my admittedly possibly-faulty statistics, it seems the high estimate for it is around 72k given the trend.
Only 53 hours to go, do you think it'll each it?

>>17197727
The last push usually brings in big numbers so it has a fair chance, though I would be highly amused if it failed to reach it with how many are backing it purely for the fandisk.

>>17197727
Are you new to kickstarters? The ending rush is usually always equivalent to the initial rush. Not to mention even if it fails to meet the goal the Backerkit access will assuredly push it over. It'll make it.

>>17197775
I have to admit, that would be quite amusing.

>>17197801
I stayed the fuck away from the idea of kickstarters as soon as I saw the first one fail to deliver (which was probably the first project I saw). I'll happily buy a product when it's finished, but I ain't going to beta-test or pre-pay for stuff, just like I don't have a mortage against my name.

>>17197365
>Kouryuu did say that they were interested in doing more Propeller games. Not sure if it's true on Propeller's side though.

He also said probably not any of their older ones

>>17197727
The stretch goal is more than good enough bait to make it.

>>17197801
It's generally a bit weaker than the initial rush (about 2/3rds), but occasionally a bit stronger.

Then there are final rushes that just run all the way to the moon (Muv Luv), but that isn't happening with a Sekai kickstarter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/6hz5b4/translation_status_updatediscussion_jun_18/dj2d4zi/
What the actual fuck.

Why the hell do people still make remarks of MG pretty much only releasing nukige, which was never truth to behin with (although they always released some), and then expect shit?

I can only think those people are utterly blind trying to ruin the good reputation MG has among many members of the VN community. Not to mention MG was the one who wrecked all their competitors with their announcements last year.

>>17198030
It's still a half truth though. Better to go in expecting nothing than to be disappointed when it's like 3 low quality nukige

>>17197908
Well, they can't go newer. Sougeki no Jaeger bombed, didn't it?

>>17198030
>caring about what people say on reddit
>going to reddit

>>17197727
It'll reach it no problem.

>>17198047
>Expecting MG to announce "3 low quality nukige" on AX
Hello newfriend

>>17198030
It's excusable if it was MG two years ago when their modus operandi of big stuff at big cons and nukiges at small cons wasn't that well-known yet but this is pretty silly to say now.

Just leave it as reddit being 3 years behind on the VN community and it should make sense.

>>17198030
You need to go back.

Real version of Grisaia no Rakuen when?

>>17197908
>>17198050
EVOLIMIT

will we ever get an official Leaf game that isn't for PS3 or PS4?

they got quite a library that has never even gotten a fan translation.

>>17198440
Toheart 2 Xrated is almost done

>>17198050
I would imagine Propeller would push for it precisely because it bombed since they want to try and turn that around logic be damned.

>>17197130
How bad is the translation of the new Utawarerumono?

>>17198689
Haven't seen any complaints about it so far. There weren't any typos at least.

>>17198689
Actually very good.

>>17198689
Worse than Persona 5. Too many non-English terms that require me to learn about a fictional culture.

Jokes aside, leans a bit more on the literal side of the should translations be more literal or liberal debate, but it's fine. It uses English honorifics instead of Japanese honorifics though, in case that bothers you.

>>17199022
>>17198689
Oh, and the naming scheme is very similar to what the mirrormoon translation of the original game, but some of the old characters' names are still romanized differently.

>>17196922
Tokyo Babel and Himawari did well. If anyone expected them to have 100,000 sales they are crazy. The most you can hope for is about 3k or 6k if you are lucky.

>>17197083
Steins;Gate or Kara no Shoujo

>>17197908
Asairo incoming

Why is it so hard to find out who's translated something? If I want to know who's written something it doesn't take me five minutes to find out, but if I want to know who's in charge of interpreting that writer's text into another language I either have to find the credits on Youtube or dig through a bunch of garbage on Twitter or some equally stupid.

>>17199595

A: Eroge is porn, who wants to be credited for porn? Especially porn that overwhelming features imaginary women not necessarily of an age that's socially acceptable in the west.

B: It's a translation and people are psychopaths these days. If someone doesn't like how you translated something and your information is readily available, they could very well do something nutty like put a brick through your window.

C: They're contracted translations. It's in the company that put out the contract's interest to take all the credit. Because contractors come and go per project, it's wise to leave them uncredited so people don't realize when a translator they like has stopped doing work for the company.

>>17199634
If you don't want to be credited for porn you shouldn't be working on it. The situation is the same for mainstream games too, something people should be more willing to take credit for, but there you have more dedicated autists transcribing the entirety of the credits to Mobygames or somewhere. A lot of these translators have Twitter accounts where they talk about their lives in extreme detail. The use handles as a stopgap means of keeping their real identity a secret, but anyone that obsessed would have an easy time figuring out who they are, where they live, what times they leave their house. Meanwhile, not crazy people who are only interested in whether the translator for something is a hack or not have to go through a ton of unnecessary bullshit to figure that out. A lot of eroge writers are contracted by the company releasing the game, but I can easily find out who's writing it by just looking at their website. All it really shows is that not only do consumers not care enough about translation to demand this information be easily findable, the people producing it don't care enough to make it so.

>>17199702

Look, dude, even if you do go to Moogy's house and confess your undying love for him, he's never going to love you back.

>>17198030
In the future please do not link reddit, its a hivemind for normies and casuals just at least show a screenshot from there. We dont want to give them anymore ad revenue than they already have. If you are going to link it use an archive version.

As for those fans they are more casual than any other i have ever witnessed. Fuwanovel may at some points damage control for Sekai when they are a shitty company but at least they are critical of most their work and know the industry much like any of us do.

>>17199707
>moogy
No I'm talking about translators.

>>17198047
>low quality nukige

Do you even know MG at all? Its like you just got here or something. They are the only ones that take risks getting some of the weirdest and some controversial nukige while the rest just casually play along with it.

>>17199022
lol i was about to ask if you were one of them. The thing is it never bothers me so as long as the story is understood from beginning middle and end. That is why its more about stylistic debate than anything severe.

>>17199740
>never bothers me so as long as the story is understood from beginning middle and end
You don't need a translation for that, just a summary.

>>17198030
Breaking the link by adding a space should be sufficient for making sure they don't track the link back over here. Just mentioning that in case anyone can't help linking to reddit in the future.

>>17199723
You're probably giving Fuwanovel too much credit, but the average redditor is worse than the average fuwafag.

>>17199450
Tokyo Babel sold very poorly at launch and only started pulling in decent numbers when it was half off. It was also an expensive license due to its famous VAs. Not exactly a resounding success.

>>17199748
That is true but even more so when you are playing a game to the end and you become confused about what the story was in the first place.

>>17200087
That is true. I just was saying that it's difficult to have something become a runaway success. At most we can only hope there will be more anime visual novels to bring over. Those are the only games I can ever believe would sell well enough to be hugely profitable.

Hoshimemo is starting to see its ending surge kick in. It's up $2k over the last 6 hours, and has another 43 hours to get its remaining $2.5k for the stretch goal so it will have no issues reaching that goal.

The final total is likely to really jump if they add the fandisc add-ons tomorrow once the stretch goal is met instead of waiting until the Backerkit.

Fuck Dovac for everything he did to Baldr Sky, and fuck Moogy for helping him do it.

there could a "recently released translated visual novels" list, so people would know what's new, but since they disappear once it's complete it's real sad

>>17200651
https://vndb.org/r?q=;fil=released-1.olang-ja.lang-en;o=d;s=released

Dies Irae is what you buy when you crave for a third-rate chuuni anime series uncomfortably distended across 40+ hours of crap graphics substituted for the typically mediocre direction of an actual anime.

Dies Irae is paradoxically the most pure and most disingenuous of fanservice: loli/moe garbage colored up with throwaway references to a literal-minded high school art student's take on Nietsche. To anyone above an eighth-grade level of literacy, it's quasi-physical torment. There's no real gameplay to speak of to make the usual high-concept low-execution frame of anime palatable, hallways between protracted cutscenes featuring underdirected anime puppets shaking their porcelain udders or flowing boybitch locks while spewing arbitrary acronyms or glib references to shit that wasn't even that clever when it was written in Latin or German.

>>17201404
But the girls are cute.

>>17201404
This reads like kopipe, but a quick search came up empty. At the very least it will make good kopipe in the future.

>>17201404
Dies irae*

>>17199595
In Europe, it's illegal to release translations without the permission of the copyright holder. It also even applies to the film subtitles.
That's a good reason to keep a translation team anonymous.

>>17201404
>Chuuni

Oh shit its anti-Chuuni again your back to shit on everyone else that has different tastes than yours again right?

>>17201731
It's a copyright violation in most places. They'll just send a C&D though, and fan translators always seem to comply with those like bitches regardless of how anonymous they are. I'm not asking for real names just to be clear. I'm asking for a consistent way to identify who has worked on what and for that information to be clearly communicated. Tanaka Romeo isn't the writer's real name, but if there's something coming out it's easy to find out that he's involved. How do I find out who's translating Maitetsu? Why is it I can go to the Japanese site and get pic related, telling me everything from who the artist and writer are to who did the scripting and logo design but the most I can find on Sekai's site is "Maitetsu is 100% translated. In QA". If you go look at MG's Sorcery Jokers page you only get who worked on the Japanese version. Who's translating this shit? Have they translated anything before? Who knows. It's better than most, but it's still shit.

It's actually easier to find out what fan translators have worked on what projects most of the time because they always use the same aliases and actually list who's working on a project to maximize the ego stroking they receive. My main problem is with official releases.

>>17201984
You can usually figure out who's translating what for MG by checking twitter.

Dal Segno is being translated by the guy who did Funbag Fantasy. Kouryuu is doing Maggot Baits. And Sukisuki was done by Arunaru etc.

>>17201984
Because for the most part people don't care. The average consumer barely cares about translation quality let alone who did it, and if there's no demand to cater to nobody will bother.

>>17201731
Berne Convention makes it a copyright violation in over 170 countries, iirc.

And now for something completely different:
There's no news of the +18 version of the last part of Grisaia, is there?

If anyone has any questions they'd like MG to answer at AX, you can submit them via their online Q&A form.

https://twitter.com/MangaGamer/status/875806839191085056

>>17201992
I know, but you shouldn't have to dig through Twitter to find out who worked on something. There's hardly a point to these official English sites with how little info they have on them.

>>17201997
Obviously. That doesn't mean you shouldn't. Maybe if there was some level of personal accountability shitty translators could at least be bullied into stopping.

>>17200413
As expected, the goal was reached.

>>17198704
>960x544
Why are you resizing it?

>>17202233
That's the Vita's resolution though.

Aquaplus restricts screenshotting after the first few hours of the game. Strangely, this restriction isn't there in the Vita version of the game.

>>17202238
I forget about PSV version.
Playing Utawarerumono on a big TV on PS4 is making tails more fluffy

>>17202004
More or less only that Sekai is working on it.

>>17202004
Frontwing expected to be able to ship those around autumn. So hopefully they have worked those things out around October.

>>17201992
The About Page on their blog had it too, but it seem to be erased from existence. That or I'm looking at the wrong section.

So, is the Symphonic Rain any good? The new eyes are creeping me out.

>>17202387
If you mean the VN itself then yeah it's good. Just use the fanTL if you don't like the new art.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/lets-bring-visual-novel-hoshizora-no-memoria-to-th/posts/1907437

They'll won't be adding the fandisc stuff until backerkit, so that won't drive a larger than usual last day of the Kickstarter, though it does mean they will being in a considerable amount of revenue during the Backerkit. That said it is up to $78.5k with 27 hours to go, and is up a bit more than $8k in the last 24 hours, so it should exceed the $87k that Chrono Clock did.

>>17203387
They also showed they sold 100k+ bundles. Easy way to make VNs seem much more profitable on Steam. Maybe we will return to the imaginary "all-ages is the shit on Steam!" timeline.

Sad thing is that now they are going to be all "Look, Steam users don't like to pay, so we must have cheaper games on Steam and let all 18+ users pay 500% extra".

>>17203433
The bundle is over a million in revenue, but it isn't exactly a trick they can pull more than a couple times and for the sheer number of keys they distributed it honestly isn't all that much money they brought in.

Aside from the direct revenue, it happens to be in part a massive PR stunt. They largely focused on titles with upcoming sequels or upcoming Vita releases (and a couple with R18 DLC), and having tens of thousands of people playing these titles is great for word of mouth, so in part a longer term question will be how much they can capitalize on that. Something like KaraKara sticks out since that was designed to be a Nekopara clone, but wasn't much above 10k sales wise, but will now have ten times as much with KaraKara 2 upcoming.

>>17202078
>Obviously. That doesn't mean you shouldn't. Maybe if there was some level of personal accountability shitty translators could at least be bullied into stopping.

So they should invest resources with no expected return on investment, just so you can make it harder for them to hire translators? That doesn't seem like a good business decision to me.

Sekai put out that they'll be doing an AX preview as a stream on Wednesday.

>>17203600
Dovac invests more resources into shitting up Twitter than it would cost to put a name on a website they already made. Hiring competent translators wouldn't be a good business decision since no one cares how shit the translation is, so obviously everyone should stop demanding it. I don't care about a company's bottom line and neither should anyone who isn't getting paid by that company.

>>17205587
>Nobody cares how shit a Translation is

Not that anon but ChronoClock would like a word with you. Fans did complain about the quality but you are right it just needs to be good enough to get by.

Besides that is not the problem is there is not many that know how to translate well enough or know the language as good as a native does. It's an advanced language in itself that takes years to learn. There is barely anyone that will ever have the skills to get it done.

>>17205724
Japanese natives are certainly going to understand their language better than a non-native, but that doesn't mean they're going to be good translators. TakaJun is a Japanese native and his translations are flat as hell because of his shit English. Yes, learning to translate takes a lot of time and effort. Translation is a completely separate skill that has to be learned on top of just learning the language. But if the people employed to do this can't do it acceptably they shouldn't be doing it. At least hack writers are just producing shit instead of ruining other people's shit.

>>17203591
>KaraKara sticks out since that was designed to be a Nekopara clone, but wasn't much above 10k sales wise, but will now have ten times as much with KaraKara 2 upcoming.

Hmm. I don't know. KaraKara is preeeetty fucking boring. But, then again, so Nekopara contains one of the most boring, anti-charismatic scripts I've ever read, and people eat that shit up -- so what do I know?

From what I can gather, on Steam reviews are classified as being by "Steam Purchasers" if they actually paid some money for the product on Steam, so in the case of a free to play title, if they purchased the DLC. In that regards, 34 of the 750 reviews for ChuSingura46+1 and 9 of the 116 reviews for Dies Irae are listed as being by Steam Purchasers. Now that said, I don't know what happens if one leaves a review and then purchases the DLC.

Of the other 107 reviews for Dies Irae it is hard to estimate how many of those are from the Kickstarter vs how many are people who just played the free download. Well aside from the handful of negative reviews which were made simply to give a negative review to a free to play VN.

>>17203433
It's bundles sold but not noting how much was paid towards them most could just give it to charity but there is no stats to track this. Like another Anon pointed out they could get revenue for 18+ but then again I just think a lot will sit there. I would like to hear the stats of how many are playing the games.

This game http://store.steampowered.com/app/644570/Material_Girl/ is the same as https://exhentai.org/g/1045458/9832ef7ddd/ right?
Where to get uncen porn patch? Did they even translate porn?

>>17198030
Their reputation isn't that good.

>>17207353
""translate""

>>17207472
During the Edelweiss era maybe, but now they are seen as one of the better VN publishers in the scene. Not that is hard with JAST doing very little, Sekai Project self sabotaging itself at every turn and Frontwing souring tastes with episodic releases through crowdfunding.

>>17198030
> muh good reputation
Stop kidding yourself, you guys have none of it and never had.
No amount of astroturfing on vietnam origami board can convince that your shitty products are worth reading.

>>17208260
If you seriously think this is true then I think you're the delusional one here. There is definitely at least ambivalence towards MG, if not an outright positive reception.

>>17207353
The porn is in the Steam version, they just censored the genitals and nipples. The translation is fucking awful by the way

>>17208523
Quite amazing. Though the patch restoring that makes it even better.

>>17207353
Dieselmine eh? I wonder if we'll have Violated hero on steam next.

Sekai's bundle ended with 117884 bundles sold at an average of a bit over $10 per bundle.

>>17208715
fml

Another one bites the dust. How many people been burned by sekai now? https://twitter.com/ellyberries/status/877259068930269184

>>17207472
Most VN places view MG in a positive light. Steamfags used to hate MG because of no 18+ patches, but they exist now, and the complaints over too many cheap nukige are mostly gone now. The only group of people that would prefer JAST over MG nowadays are hardcopyfags, which is fair enough.

Interestingly enough, MG is the only modern VN localization company that stands on its own through traditional VN sales. Frontwing and Sekai use crowdfunding, Fruitbat Factory and Degica mostly rely on the indie game market and only do VNs on the side, and JAST has J-List funds as support.

To be honest, I wouldn't fault MG for using crowdfunding as a way to see if a VN will sell enough to warrant hard copies as opposed to their current system. I'd prefer if they didn't though.

>>17209122
People didn't hate MG over no patches. They hated them for listening to a nut-job and being unable to get a second opinion when the entire industry knew the nut-job was wrong.

It is roughly as bad as NISA and all those companies that say "We cut content because we don't want anyone to be sad". Like they never once visited any forums or chats where people rage about the changes. Must be getting all their intel from Fox News or something.

>>17209040
Wasn't she the one working on their otome/BL stuff? Looks like their new brand is off to a rocky start.

>>17209219
Most devs have all their contact with Steam through their Steam rep. How easy is it to just switch reps?

Libra just released can anyone tell me if they at least fixed some of the Translation errors?

The Hoshimemo Kickstarter finished with $88,848 from 1363 backers. The closest comparison, as it has been for most of the campaign, was Chrono Clock which ended up with $87,561 from 1207 backers. LeyLine on the other hand ended up with 1498 backers, although the dollar amount ($135,430) isn't as close of a comparison since that was for three games instead of one (and thus had a much higher average). Although Hoshimemo should add a larger than normal amount of revenue during the Backerkit process, since they'll only be adding the fandisc tiers with the Backerkit.

Considering it managed to get a similar amount of backers as other recent (non-Vita) Kickstarters, it would appear that Kickstarter is still holding up for larger VN projects.

>>17209040
Wow I see that person a lot around the VN community. That is a really bad loss for them.

>>17209579
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/lets-bring-visual-novel-hoshizora-no-memoria-to-th/posts/1917385

>We hope to see you again for our next campaign! We've got some great ones in the pipeline!

From their post concluding the Kickstarter. While it is no surprise since they have been giving pretty much every big title a Kickstarter and they still have a handful of big projects coming up, but they teased that they have more Kickstarter campaigns in the pipeline.

Separately, as far as R18 content goes, they had 163 backers for just the Steam version, and 386 backers for the next tier up with the Denpasoft version (of course, all the higher tiers included the Denpasoft version so the proportion of sales with the Denpasoft version is a fair bit more lopsided). Although it works out that people who only wanted the Denpasoft version paid extra, since in their Backerkit preview from mid-campaign they listed that they'll be selling just the Denpasoft key for $20 during the Backerkit, so they effectively charged an extra $10 during the campaign to include a Steam key along side the Denpasoft key.

>>17209219
NISA is clearly lying when it tried to use the ESRB as a scapegoat. At least in MG's case, their excuse was a bit more justified with how wishy washy Steam has always been on the issue of lewd.

While the competition was fine with Steam being wishy washy and the (admittedly small) risk that held, Mangagamer wanted a clear answer. Steam was unwilling until recently.

>>17209318

Maybe they called the brand "Maiden Voyage" because it was all about taking women for a ride.

>>17209040
Who the fuck cares?
Shit translators are a dime a dozen.

>>17209122
>Most VN places view MG in a positive light
Kek, koeshitter came to /vn/ to damage control when several anons convinced everyone to boycott MG.

>>17209964
Was that when BDH and co. got triggered by another TL wanting to add a "grab her by the pussy" joke to his stuff?

>>17209122
>MG using crowdfunding

It's ironic because Kickstarters require so much effort that it could take away their other efforts. But I can understand if it's a huge title that would need the funds. But I would worry about them doing it more than twice a year. Sekai has been doing more than 3 so far if I think about it and that is just too much even for them which causes more delays and all of those things.

>>17209964
>when several anons convinced everyone to boycott MG.
So what, 5 people?
Based on sales numbers 4chan is hardly the majority of MG's sales base.

>>17202387
Play the original, dude. It's great and the art is much better, imo. The new art looks a bit westernized to me.

Anyone else experience a bug where your Dies Irae save file is deleted?

>>17206170
Blame the Chinese for buying all this shit.

>>17209122
>MG is the only modern VN localization company that stands on its own through traditional VN sales
Saying this just after Sekai made one million dollars selling bundles shows how desperate and out-of-touch are MG shills nowadays.

>>17210197
The huge titles don't need the funds. The funds go to paying for the small titles that they can't run kickstarters for.

>>17210835
How many of the games in that bundle were funded via Kickstarter?

>>17210835
>Sekai made one million dollars selling bundles
That's not how it works. They can make all the money go to charity and not give the publisher much of anything. The people are able to pick who the money goes to.

http://www.siliconera.com/2017/06/20/root-letter-heading-pcs-west-2017/

is it any good

>>17210934
Root Letter is genuinely, offensively bad. The story is a fucking farce, the gameplay is literally a guided series of hundreds of button presses that practically amounts to a walkthrough for itself and the character writing is absolutely atrocious. The mystery is literally nonsense, the five 'routes' completely contradict each other for no reason. The game itself is really short (around 10 hours) and the fact that it's being sold for $40 is unbelievable.

>>17210875
IIRC, assuming everyone used the default, they would only get 70% of the total anyways.

>>17210869
Root Double, Narcissu, WEE, Memory's Dogma, and Fault Milestone one all had Kickstarters by Sekai Project. Kara Kara was in Indiegogo. There are a couple of other titles there that have their own patreon, but those aren't owned by Sekai.

The only really notable title that had no KS attached was Nekopara.

>>17208560
Where to get uncen porn patch?

>>17210835
>traditional VN sales
>humblebundle
lol

>>17209964
>several anons convinced everyone to boycott MG
>Implying they're not samefagging
You don't understand the autism on that board.

>>17209964
>several anons convinced everyone to boycott MG
That would imply they were buying shit in the first place, which I kinda doubt, and at most they probably are losing one or two legitimate sales.
Also the "boycott" didn't seem to stop high sales of DC3 and Rance.

>>17211880
I think MG employees could go to their house, murder their dog and shit on their bed and Rancefags would still buy Rance.

>>17211900
>I think MG employees could go to their house, murder their dog and shit on their bed and Rancefags would still buy Rance.
That's nothing at all, if it's for Rance, I'd let them fuck my sisters.

>>17211522
Community forums.

>>17199022
>It uses English honorifics instead of Japanese honorifics though
ew

>>17202289
wew those copyrights

>>17209040
>>17209956
That was just a PR person, not a translator, right?

>>17212207
I think she was mostly in charge of Sekai's new otome/BL brand.

PayPal's UK Twitter account today sent out a message revealing that this year's Summer sale kicks off at 6 PM BST (10 AM PT / 1 PM ET) on Thursday, June 22.

Hopefully there will be some good VN deals this time around.

PS Vita release for Nurse Love Addiction in the West confirmed.

http://www.handheldplayers.com/2017/06/20/nurse-love-addiction-arrives-on-the-ps-vita-in-europe-this-week/

Fruitbat Factory confirmed that the Backerkit will fund the stretch goal of the side story. It's 26k, about 2k above what they have currently.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/215814918/chuusotsu-1st-graduation-a-visual-novel-with-philo/posts/1917957

>>17212354
They only just announced the brand a month ago and their staff is already bailing or getting canned? That's not a great sign. Sekai has a history of really public and messy staff firings though... at a much higher rate than other devs.

>>17213088
Only the best can work for SP.

Remind me why Doddler screwed over Aroduc in favor of Sekai Project again.

>>17213190
Doddler cannot disobey mugi's orders, would face some long jail time otherwise.

>>17213190
Doddler's latest site post talks about work he's done for the project even after Aroduc went AWOL, so I'm not sure who's screwing who.

Libra torrent never.

>>17213242
Torrent maybe, but I'm already downloading through DDL.

>>17213190
As far as I can tell he didn't. People keep saying this but I haven't seen any evidence for it and the evidence against it is that he wasn't even in the loop of knowing it was being licensed.
Is this a plot to split them further by repeating it over and over?

>>17213347
I think to some people, Doddle not refusing to work for SP on Baldr Sky like Aroduc did, is considered screwing Aroduc over too.

>>17213347
>Is this a plot to split them further by repeating it over and over?

I wouldn't chalk it up to malice when it could just be stupidity. All it takes is one person posting unsubstantiated bullshit for people in this thread to take it as fact and start repeating it endlessly.

>>17213459
True. Remember the whole thing about the Root Double raffle? I can't believe someone bothered to make a fake advert for it and trick people into believing it was true.

>>17212807
http://www.thedrastikmeasure.com/2017/06/21/tdm-news-room-degica-games-is-coming-to-anime-expo-2017-booth4130-all-new-titles/

Speaking of Degica, they mentioned a few surprises at their booth. They may or may not be VN related, but MLA and Symphonic Rain are listed as being part of the booth. Some VN related news may arrive from Degica this AX.

>>17210348
Are you sure that's not a feature to save you from yourself?

>>17213451
>>/jp/thread/S17126454#p17129883
>Aroduc has been pretty upset with him and other people in the community for a long time for trying to pressure him into accepting an extremely unfair deal with Sekai Project for Baldr Sky. I don't know the details, but apparently it involved Sekai Project having carte blanche to not pay him if they found any issue with him or his work, and required that he completely quit fan translating and remove everything having to do with it from his site. He tried to revive the Prism Ark project a few months back, but nobody besides him did any work on it.

https://twitter.com/The_Doddler/status/872145635134373889
>Still working on Prism Ark despite Aroduc basically dropping the project... not sure why though. Maybe he'll pick it up again? :/

https://twitter.com/The_Doddler/status/872154823822639104
>I'm confused where Prism Ark stands, Aroduc said he'd quit if work didn't get done, so taking time of other projects, but he's MiA again :/

Doddler screwed him on Baldr Sky. Months later, Aroduc said he'd quit Prism Ark if Doddler doesn't work on it. Doddler dosen't work on it. Aroduc quits. Doddler realizes Aroduc was serious and starts working on it.

Will that bring Aroduc back? Don't know. He doesn't seem the forgiving type.

My Tsukihime crashes. A lot. Anyone else had this problem? Really don't feel like redownloading thsi

>>17214185
Anon, one of those is just some random guy posting. Yeah, it might be accurate information, but you'd have to extremely naive to source some random post on /jp/ for that sort've drama.

>>17214197
I'd put bets that Aroduc himself is the one that keeps bringing up the situation in these threads. Either way, I don't know how Doddler screwed Aroduc on Baldr Sky. I can't even think of how he could. Sekai licensed the game, and if the terms weren't favorable, I can't imagine how that would be his fault.

>>17214245
Why? Is this inside knowledge? And does that mean it's true?

>>17214368

You think someone would just go on the vnts and post lies?

>>17214368
Just look at the claims made in the post. He said in the contract that they could chose not to pay him if they found issue with his work. Given the nature of the industry and the fact that it's actually not unheard of that a company needs to turf a translation entirely cause it's unusable trash, I'm not surprised they have something like that in the contract. Actually, even though it sounds bad, I'd be surprised if they didn't have something like that.

But the claim they would shut him out of fan translating I'm certain is completely false. They haven't required that of any of their contractors before. At worst, they may have asked him to take down game content related to Giga, such as Duel Savior.

Huh, George Henry Shaft is at it again.

>>17214431
So you're saying that it's Aroduc and he's lying about everything? What?

Setting that aside, I have never seen any kind of clause like that in any translation contract. It's a subjective standard. The standard is "Client has X days to review translation and report issues, which Translator will fix at no additional cost." But that's completely different.

>>17214749
Sorry, overuse of the word standard.

...Translation accuracy and quality is a subjective standard, The usual or typical is "Client has etc.

>>17214718
How hasn't he been locked away in an asylum somewhere by now

>>17214431
>>17214749
Allow me. Sekai Project's reasoning was that Aroduc had a public profile, and they couldn't be associated with unlicensed patches because that promotes piracy, so he would have to scrub his site clean of all mention of any of his projects, and could no longer associate himself with any unlicensed work for five years from the contract's expiration.

>>17214840

Aroduc when are you writing your tell-all blog post?

>>17214185
>Will that bring Aroduc back?
I sure hope not.

>>17214808
To be fair, you have to be insane AND a danger to society to be locked up in an asylum.

He translated Hanahira, so he is a net positive good to society even with his insanity.

>>17211880
>>17211900
Rance general on /vg/ hates Managagamer but all went out to buy Rance.

>>17215459
They mellowed out considerably once VI and 5D were announced last year.

>>17215484
As far as I recall they hate Maria and PastelChum but don't hate Mangagamer.

So the Dies Irae Backerkit still hasn't released the digital soundtracks on the downloads section. Just the main game release. Is there some sort of date when it's supposed to be released? Are they holding out until they finish the other materials, despite the relative ease of providing audio files?

>>17215876
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986219362/dies-irae-english-localization-project-commences/posts/1900387
>As for the digital OST, the distribution of the reward is expected to be around the end of June.

>>17215503
And Arunaru. But everyone hates him.

>>17215098
Then why is Doddler doing it?

>>17216205
Only Ludo does. Or one of his many personalities. It's a wonder how he is able to translate Japanese (song lyrics) in that state.

>>17216243
No, we all hate you.

>>17216211
Probably hoping Aroduc will smuggle loli into Canada for him if he gets on his good side.

what was it that doddler got done for, it was a loli onahole or something right?

>>17216205
I only hate him for nameshit, he's pretty alright otherwise and unlike a few other translators he keeps his head mostly down.

It's nice being able to go on a translator's Twitter and checking up on project-related stuff without it being completely shat up by political BS or e-celeb drama.

>>17217061
Same. Arunaru's overly stubborn, but he's probably the most passionate of the three. He did a lot of long Alicesoft games after all (TT2, Kichikuou Rance, Haruka, and Rance VI) with Mamatoto being a medium sized game. The guy was willing to sell his soul to MG and become an in-house translator too, presumably for the sake of having more say in the company when it comes to AS titles at the cost of being coerced to translate nukige and moege.

>>17216211
Because he said he would. And people might blame him for Aroduc quitting otherwise.

>>17216205
Any Arunaru dislike would be over name choices.

ChronoClock sucks and was written by a EU refugee.

>>17216570
Probably a normal ona-hole. BUT THE ANIME GIRLS LOOK LIKE CHILDREN!

>>17217579
>a EU
Acronyms are read as individual letters, not the full name they stand for. EU is read as イーユー. The pronunciation starts with a vowel, so you put an before it, not a.
Be glad that us ESLs know English better than you.

>>17217472
That already happened. He already said that Aroduc quit because he wasn't working on it. You can't unring a bell.

>>17217593
It's not like you could actually prove the loli onahole actually simulated a little girl's vagina. Well, you technically could, but not legally.

>>17217891
>He already said that Aroduc quit because he wasn't working on it.
He said he was MIA and couldn't get in contact with him. Slight difference, though it could end up with the same result.

>>17217593
It was for the loli box art on the onahole.

>>17216570
It wasn't a loli type. The fault simply lies on the faggot Canadian prudes crawling all over the place.

>>17218093
https://twitter.com/The_Doddler/status/872145635134373889
>Still working on Prism Ark despite Aroduc basically dropping the project... not sure why though. Maybe he'll pick it up again? :/

He also has a blog and posts all the time. How can anybody not get in contact with him?

>>17218425
I don't know. Ask Doddler.
https://twitter.com/The_Doddler/status/872154823822639104

>>17218434
>>17218425
I should add that it is strange that even with his blog/forums it is impossible to contact him but at the same time why post the stuff in the open at all if he could and say that he is trying to get his attention?
https://twitter.com/The_Doddler/status/872154889853558784

>>17218453
>>17218434
Missing in action is a funny way to describe someone with a daily social media presence.

>>17217826
I feel your pain m8 the amount of times I've had to explain its an + vowel "sound" and a + consonant "sound" to people and they say no its an + vowel and a + consonant is unbelievable

>>17218835
>>17218453
>>17218434
Aroduc logged off of IRC.

That's what he means.

https://denpasoft.com/events/anime-expo-information/

Denpasoft put up their AX preview. The main thing to note is that they are having Saji Sasai show up as a guest at their panel (along with some "secret cosplayer.") It doesn't give any idea about how many announcements they have other than a vague "plenty of title announcements."

>>17220288
>Saji Sasai
literally who

>>17220296
Eroge artist on VNs like Narcissu and Harumade, Kururu.

https://vndb.org/s1776

>SukiSuki - In Beta

>>17194974
>SakuSaku - Engine/QA work ongoing, Spring 2017 release

I remember someone saying that this was going to be released on time. Who would ever believe that.

I can't believe I haven't seen this mentioned here before. At least I noticed it right away. Libra's screen quality goes way down when you alt tab (or click on your other screen - it's not borderless window, but shitty fullscreen)
Check this - regular quality

>>17220817
And this is after I clicked on my other screen and the game's window got minimalized.
It can be restored to previous quality by changing display mode to window and then again to fullscreen, but it's annoying as fuck.

>>17220288
Perhaps Harumade, Kururu will be a repeat of Nekonin, a title that we knew was getting an English release thanks to comments by the company, but didn't get an announcement from Sekai until a later convention.

>>17220822
You should mail them about this. They even put this up for cases like that: http://steamcommunity.com/games/604170/announcements/detail/1342485237971418105

>>17220822
Now the image quality matches the translation quality.

>>17221004
I didn't buy it, so them fixing it now does nothing for me.

>>17217826
>>17219052

lol this is why no one will ever take Europe seriously. Your attacks are over the most petty of things.

>>17221158
Grammar is very important to the Nazi party.

>>17220822
Probably some corner case, not happening to me (physical version)

>>17221019
Translation is good.

>>17221804
>I can't believe I can't control it this much
It sure doesn't look like it.

>>17220657
I remember when the team who worked on it & sold out promised it would be out by December 2016.

Libra is fun

>>17222722
It is. And it forces me to edge all the time because of the naked sprites option.

>>17222722
Is it actually, though? I don't want another shitty moege-cum-chuunige ala Koiken Otome which was just the most boring shit ever

>>17222796
So far I'm really enjoying it. Pretty fun and interesting. Also great banter with maido.

>>17221158
>>17221169
It's not an attack you thin skinned basement dweller
If I'm a foreign language teacher and people are writing in textbooks and telling my students wrong information of course I'm going to want to correct it

The Phantom Trigger volume 3 Indiegogo project seems to be struggling. Frontwing just added some figure as a reward probably to try and boost the total, but with 12 days left it has just $28k from 455 backers (out of a goal of $40k). While the amounts aren't going to be comparable thanks to the big difference in tiers, the Kickstarter for Vol 1+2 got 1700 backers.


Being an Indiegogo project, they don't necessarily need to worry about reaching the goal since it is flexible funding, but even if it manages to reach its goal it will likely be viewed as a disappointment. At best, it will do on par with the Corona Blossom titles, which got between $43k and $55k from between 858 and 960 backers.

>>17223984
Steam sales also play a factor everyone is more focused on the sales right now which could throw off the funding. I made a purchase of both Phantom Trigger vol 1 and 2 then followed Frontwing as of yesterday.

>>17222839
What about 18+ patch any word on it? Also did they fix the errors that were mentioned on the last thread with translation?

>>17224062
Everyone's playing with the 18+ patch.

>>17224062
>What about 18+ patch
I hope you love watersports.

Libra torrent when?

>>17224077
You could have had it 2 days ago if you used MEGA like everyone else.

>>17223984
I am not so surprised that it is struggling. The reception to vol 1 and 2 was mixed at best along with people realising how much of a cash grab it was after that interview where they said it wasn't even intended to be a Grisaia title until mid development.

>>17224077
Check the cartel's sukebei.

>>17224086
Post the MEGA link then.

>>17224077
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5419618

>>17224061
The Steam sale could certainly depress sales for the last couple weeks, but it has been up for a couple weeks already. By this time the original Kickstarter had 1150 backers, and the volume 3 Indiegogo project would have been more front loaded thanks to the project launching with an update for backers of the Kickstarter.

Libra has thus far peaked at 53 concurrent users. In a vacuum that probably would be an acceptable amount, but much of that is likely Kickstarter boosted and may not do much to reflect new sales on Steam. Even accounting for the fact that the physical copies were sent out beforehand without being reflected on Steam, there were roughly 1100 backers who only opted for a digital version. Of course, with the timing of the release, the Steam sale is likely to reduce the first week sales that it might have otherwise got.

>>17224163
They still get covered with KS money so who cares how many ppl buy it on Steam.

Unironically Libra > Dies.

No surprise, but MG announced they will have the hard copy of Rance at AX, even if they aren't releasing it until the 7th through their website. It would have been a poor choice to not have it ready to sell at their biggest convention of the year.

>>17224134
Volume 3 offers no lewd add-on items, so very few are interested in it. It has been that way with almost all their kickstarters except part 1-2 and Corona Blossom.

They honestly think they can somehow get kickstarter backers by offering all-ages items. But that isn't how it works.

>>17224539

Guess ImoPara 2 isn't gonna make that wishful early summer release.

>>17224606
Rance Quest will be announced.

>>17225650
*Sengoku Rance

>>17225401
Doddler still has a ton of programming work to do on it, so its editing progress was never the real indicator for when it would come out.

>>17194974
fault milestone - SILENCE THE PEDANT is currently set for a Q4 2017 release.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/487500/fault__SILENCE_THE_PEDANT/

>>17225745
It looks like it also has a demo out.

>>17225650
You can't base announcements off the merch. They sold an Otoboku 2 daki once without announcing it. Besides, by the same logic, Rance 01 and 03 are confirmed because the dakis use the remake art.

I honestly think an Alicesoft announcement is really likely, but it could be Sengoku, Evenicle, or just the Escalayer reboot.

>>17225920
Not basing it on the merc. Its them having a near complete translation of Rance Quest already.

>>17225745
Are these still being translated by someone besides the original writer?

>>17225711
He started on Bokuten, so whatever hang ups the programming for Imopara had are gone at least. Maybe by late fall though since there are a lot of other VNs in beta right now.

>>17225926

>>17225926
>Its them having a near complete translation of Rance Quest already.
Has Maria posted any progress on that? Because last I heard it still had a ways to go and Maria was busy with other projects. Not to mention that MG will likely go in order and release Sengoku first, because Quest is a direct sequel to Sengoku.

>>17225944
>He started on Bokuten, so whatever hang ups the programming for Imopara had are gone at least.
He's been known to juggle projects, so him starting on Bokuten doesn't mean that Imopara 2 is done.

>>17225951
Let's not forget that Rance VI was had a completed TL, but Mangagamer went for Haruka.I don't think they are in a huge rush to push out Rance games, and there's some logic to alternating between Rance and non-Rance, especially because the non-Rance selection is notable in its own right. People complain about the Funbag milking and how non-Funbag Waffle games aren't likely to be released any time soon for example.

>>17225967
>but Mangagamer went for Haruka
desu that was likely Alicesoft that went for that. pretty common to test the waters with a less popular/less well known title first

>>17225967
>Funbag milking
kek

>>17225967
I'd prefer both a Rance and non-Rance Alicesoft announcement this year. They've announced 2 titles from the same dev simultaneously before, so it could happen again.

>>17225986
AX seems set at 4 announcements this year, and 2 of those already seem to be related to the two guests. Though I wouldn't mind 1 Alicesoft announcement at AX and 1 at Otakon or if Alicesoft was ultimately saved until Otakon.

Ah, speaking of AX, last year there was a full sized Haruka doll. I wonder if Rance gets something as silly to advertise the AS merch.

So, MG is going to stream their panel or we just wait for the livetwitter?

Is MangaGamer putting EVE burst error on sale a regular thing? Asking since I'm hoping/expecting for the recent remake, Eve burst error R and its adult version to be translated by them, and them putting the original on sale might be an indication that they will.

>>17226055
I don't know why that's on sale, but I doubt that's the reason.

>>17226018
Traditionally we have got live transcripts from AX, though last year the panel was streamed. Either way there should be nearly no delay learning announcements.

Surpisingly, Chuusotsu met its 26k stretch goal (side story).

There remains a 27.5k (new op) and a 30k goal (physical art book that is only free if you got the highest tier but can be added on to backer kit).

>>17226055
MG's having a sale on their site right now in general to match Steam's sale. A particular title being on sale isn't much of an indicator of anything. They have things like Koenchu on sale too.

>>17226055
>>17226071
I kind of doubt they'd license the remake. Most people interested already bought the original from them. And Steam users won't want to pay full price for what's essentially a very old VN.

>>17227650
Will the side story also be available in Japanese?

>>17228181
The main VN will be dual language, so it's safe to assume the side story will be as well

>>17195480
Order Number - 276240
Order Date - 2017-06-24 23:48:12

>>17228312
Cool, I'll pirate it then. Thanks for paying for it, EOP pals.

>>17229292
>EOP pals
>English-Only-Peasant pals
Kinda irksome.

>>17229496
Nouns can be used as adjectives. Like dragon girl.

>>17229512
Sounds incredibly awkward though. It's not wrong, just silly to read out-loud.

Guys this had the most well executed story I ever read for many years. Are there any good ones as this out there?

>>17229573
Ask the /vn/ general on /vg/. I think they like Grisaia more than this thread does.

>>17229292
Pirating all-ages crap.
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>>17229573
>Guys this had the most well executed story I ever read for many years
Really?

Kyuuketsu Hime no Libra torrent when?

Don't you link me BnP, my man. Think twice.

>>17229780
What about dolphin porn? Do you like that?

>>17229835
Not into it.

Libra is not so good

>>17230425
Meh, it'll fill my chuuni craving until Dies Irae comes out. It's decent though.

Thus far at least, Steins;Gate seems to be the biggest beneficiary of VNs from the Steam sale, showing a jump to nearly 200 concurrent users (and likely a stronger sales response, since a Steam sale tends to sell titles in bulk). Plenty of other titles have seen some response, jumping a good bit above their normal levels.

See, Shuuma -> Shuma is fine. Yuuki -> Yuki is not.

>>17231249
>Plenty of other titles have seen some response, jumping a good bit above their normal levels.
But will it be good enough for Supipara chapter 2? The sooner it meets the goal the sooner they can finally let it rest and stop pretending that it will ever get enough funding for chapter 3-5 allowing them to move on from that failure.

>>17231421
Why are they still continuing with this in the first place? Would it be that bad to acknowledge that it was a failure. It failed in japan and pretty much failed in the west.

>>17231421
As far as the minori games go, Eden did show a modest response (has peaked at 18 concurrent users since the sale started), but Supipara has shown pretty much no response.

>>17231516
Obviously a continuation of Supipara beyond chapter 2 won't occur, but it is still probably worth it to finish the chapter 2 goal and claim there was a "success" with the crowdfunding project.

what's moogy translating anyway?

>>17231841
hopefully nothing good

>>17231841
chronobox

Don't make a new thread just yet. I may make it in time to release something new.

>>17231841
moogy knows Japanese?

>>17232238
It's been an hour, anon! Where are you ?!

>>17232455
Anon is dead.

>>17231841
Fault Milestone

>>17232455
Im running the last checks yet. Probably going to be an hour or two. Plus i want to check if the Vn works on w10. It worked on the friends pc but not on my parents' one.

>>17232524
Super excited to read your Muramasa translation, anon

>>17232592
H-how did you find out? Are you stalking me?

>>17232524
It's been two hours, anon.

>>17232906
le tricked

>>17232906
bumfrazzled

>>17232906
If you're that impatient, you can make a new thread, I'll just post a link afterwards. Just be sure to include this pic in the OP.

>>17232913
or that.

>>17232913
There's already a new thread you slow shit. It's been up for 20 minutes.