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In before someone mis-interprets the graph

lol suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeee Vietnam is 100% atheist. Thats why they got all those Buddhist temples all over the places!

>>1719448
>>1719453

>>1719453
That's 80%, not 100%.

>>1719448
Lol.

Sweden's the best!

shit graph is shit.
there's no way north korea is so low while japan is so high.
fuckers these days don't kow how to fake their data anymore.

>Atheist
>Non Religious

So, Atheism is a religion now?

>>1719474
The "non-religious" will be agnostics, who don't practice any religion, but wouldn't consider themselves atheists

Less than 5% of the US is atheist?

Why do I get the feeling I'm going to have to stay a closet atheist all my life ;_;

>>1719440
Bullshit graph, this graph may apply to "Do you believe in a omnipotent god".

Shh, don't tell the people at Christian Anime Alliance.

I wouldn't exactly call Japan a shining beacon of rationality

>>1719448
>>1719453
Good show.

>>1719474
Non-religious means you believe in a higher entity or metaphysical crap, atheist means you reject it completely.

Also, that graph clearly shows some countries didn't poll for the "non-religious" option.

>>1719474
Yes, insofar as religion is a belief system about the greater workings of the universe. It's about believing in a system, not a power.

>>1719474
There's a difference
Athiests believe that the book is closed on the Existence of God, and that the fact (as in, fact, proven, etc.) is that God does not exist, end of story.

Most "Non-religious" (I think the term is Agnostic for most) believe that there is no way to know of God's existence or nonexistence except to die and find out, and that trying to prove or disprove God's existence (or nonexistence) is ultimately futile

phew

>>1719476
You should totally come out of the closet about that and start.....not....being.....religious.

>>1719495
0/10

Sad thing is that you're not trolling, you actually are that dumb.

>>1719474

It's a belief, I see no reason why it isn't.

Less than 10% China Atheist? LMAO
Whatever happened to all the claims about "oppression of religion" in "Godless China"?

http://www.godhatessweden.com/

>>1719440
This graph should have been turned into a table that listed countries in order of world-wide population, descending. Two columns then: one for atheists and one for non-religious.
Finally, a summation row.

>>1719499
Not quite. There are 'strong' atheists and 'weak' atheists, and most atheists identify as 'weak' atheists when surveyed specifically.

'strong' atheism = I KNOW there is no God

'weak' atheism = I have no reason to believe there is a God any more than I have to believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster, so I withhold my belief pending actual evidence.

>>1719511
That's Godless Japan

gb2-1972

>>1719511

>survey
>accurate
>religious opression

>>1719494
No, non-religious means that you don't affiliate yourself with any official religion, ie "not religious". Religion is the organization and practice of a belief, so non-religious doesn't really say too much about particular beliefs.

And atheist means that you reject theism. Metaphisical stuff is irrelevant to the definition.

>>1719503
Funny how theologians define atheism as a religion.

>>1719511
China believes in a higher power.
The Chinese are His servant, and Mao is their Leader

>>1719507
If what you say is true, then roughly 100% of the population belongs to one religion, the religion of not believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, dubbed Pastheists from now on.

After all, not believing in the FSM is a belief, so it's totally sane and valid reasoning to lump everyone together.

>>1719529

Again, 1972. My history teacher once said that someone spouting Mao ideology in modern Capitalist China would probably be assasinated.

>>1719520
This.

>>1719540
No, atheism is the denial of ALL greater forms of power, not the denial of any one of them.

>>1719543
Probably true, thankfully. Fuck those warped commie "theories" that made China suffer so much until they abandoned it after Mao's death and stopping the Gang of 4 coup.

You realize that Bhuddism doesn't involve the worship of any particular god, right? Its essentially an atheist religion.

I know, minds blown, etc

>>1719528
>theologians
Theologians are, by definition, people who study religions, the great majority (all?) belonging to a religion of their own. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to think that these people aren't fond of people who make a mockery out of their work and life mission, and therefore, they try to discredit them by saying "not believing is the same as believing". They're possibly the most biased authority you could think of in this matter.

THIS JUST IN: AL-QAEDA MEMBERS AGREE THAT AMERICANS ARE INFIDEL PIGS, NEWS AT 11.

>>1719565
You act like Chinese aren't still suffering.
Only now, they're bleeding on us.

posting religion in a religion thread.

>>1719586
NO GOD? IT CAN'T BE A RELIGION!

>>1719586
that's some pretty esoteric knowledge you got there

>>1719586
den y do tey ofer babbies to buda???

>>1719586
You have a pretty backwards notion of Religion. What, do you come from rural Alabama or something?

God =/= Religion

I know, minds blown, etc

>>1719596
b cus he fat and eat babis

>>1719587
If theologians hold people with religious beliefs in higher regard, then how does claiming that atheist hold religious beliefs discredit them in their eyes?

>>1719592
I fully support this post.

>>1719601
Thats the same exact point that I made.

Literally the same post.

>>1719586
I don't have a facepalm.jpg handy, so here, have a beer nigger

I believe in the power of lambda abstraction.

I think by "non-religious" they mean those who are completely apathetic towards spirituality in general and don't have any particular views of god, whereas atheists actively believe that there is no god.

>>1719613
It discredits atheism because they try to pass it off as "just another religion, among dozens more." Not "the opposite of being religious" (which is the fucking definition).

>>1719623
No, it's the exact opposite.

You: It has no god, so its not a religion
Me: God is not a prerequisite to being a religion

what the fuck. America is more religious than Israel, a country founded on a religion?

Buddhism is really too wide to be collectivelly dubbed as one thing. Many schools of Buddhism are definitely religions, but others could be said not to be.

>>1719644
Did you even read my post? Where did I say that Bhuddism wasn't a religion?

>>1719644
I wasn't even participating in this argument, I just wanted to inform everyone that your argument must be invalid due to your misuse of "its."

>>1719639
Yet it is the way to Satori.

>>1719653
>>Its essentially an atheist religion.
Oxymoron.

>>1719654
His argument is also invalid because he's using shitty macros.

>>1719661
Oh god, you dumb ignorant fuck. Do you even know what atheism and theism mean?

>>1719654
Wouldn't he be exonerated of that, since technically he's quoting someone else as misusing "it's" instead of himself?

>>1719661
NO ITS NOT, THAT WAS MY POINT

>>1719686
You are an oxymoron.

Athiest means anyone who put down, "Athiest" in the little survey for religion affiliation, while non-religious means those people, plus anyone who declined to answer.

Also, it's possible to have gods without religion, and it's equally possible to have a religion without any gods. Finally, most forms of Buddhism acknowledge the existence of gods, but state that they're not to be worshipped, because the gods themselves are busy trying to attain enlightenment and aren't really concerned with being worshipped. That's generally considered the "official" take in the scriptures used in the three major branches.

>>1719654
I'm not even >>1719644. However, I would like to inform everyone that "it is" contracts it "it's", and that you are wrong.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm

>>1719588
Oh they ARE, but now not out of actual communism, but rather misapplied capitalism that's making people super-materialistic and petty.

>>1719695
>it's possible to have gods without religion

For a very narrow definition of "religion". It could be said that any belief in the supernatural meets at least some definition of "religion".

>>1719695
/thread

>>1719692

>>1719707
Democracy makes people materialistic and petty, not capitalism.
Go read a bit of tocqueville.

>>1719754
Candy makes people materialistic and petty.
Go visit a nearest candy shop.

>>1719754
To make an odd analogy, that's like saying "It's not the wheels that make the car goes, it's the engine"

Both contribute.

>>1719709
I'm a deist and I don't think I would consider myself anymore religious than an atheist.

>>1719754
But people where materialistic and petty under totalitarianism and Communism(planned economy) too.