/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>17020139
OK.

>>17020139
She might be if she wasn't a fighter in a world full of high level magic users.

>>17021799
That just makes her more badass. She's like Batman.

>>17021799
Meiling isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a 2hu with such an ability and knowledge in Tai Chi? China puts danmaku on another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a 2hu with her skill and passion for the gardening again. Sakuya breaks space-time. Yukari breaks boundaries. Meiling breaks the rules. You can keep your shitty waifus. I prefer the chi.

>>17021336
>>17020139
Oh, I remember being blown away by his badass redesigns. And how they're actually clashed with goofy characters and comedic dialogue. This Akira guy is a fucking pro and an inspiration.

Man Meiling sama is so cool
Remember that time she beat the catfish in a dream?
Sooooo awesome and relevant!
Just like every SDM character
Totally canon and radical
What would we do without her?

>>17022093
Go back to tumblr, Clarste.

I want to Hong her Meilings

Hong Meiling wears pants!

PANTS!

>>17022083
I would pay money for a 3rd instalment

>>17029321
Hey look it's the other redheaded green-wearing character who gets impaled during timestop.

>>17022083
That looks like shit.

>>17020139
Didn't she end up tied up though?

I want to massage her feet.

>>17022083
Banpai Akira is actually the reason why I started learning how to draw and visit /ic/
Still nowhere near acceptable but I'll make it.
I wish he actually streamed sometimes so I could see how he gets it done tho.

>>17020139
Why are you on Ojou-sama's laptop Hong?

>>17022093
>Just like every SDM character
>Totally canon and radical
...did you just imply EoSD isn't canon?

>>17022083
I'm excited for the left half of pic related. Already have the glorious Remi.

>>17021870
Except Batman can beat the most powerful being in his own universe, Mei Ling can't even guard a mansion properly

>>17033144
If you haven't noticed, that's been a trend lately among people who are in the "idiot valley"/Dunning-Kruger area of Touhou knowledge, presumably because it makes them feel smart, or cool, or above (other) secondaries.
To be fair, you can list a bunch of reasons why TH06 doesn't fit in and therefore feels like it shouldn't be canon, but of course that doesn't change the fact that it is.

>>17034328
What are some of the reasons that people give? EoSD never really felt out of place to me.

>>17035376
'Western youkai don't belong in a Japanese setting' (somehow missing that that was the point)
'It's basically a PC-98 game'
'It was just a practice run'
'ZUN's writing has gotten better since then, he'd never make something like that nowadays'
'Only secondaries like it because it's not REAL Touhou'

Forget that Remi's original incident (the one before TH06) was what finally brought on the introduction of spell card rules, or that the Koumakan team was an integral part of Bougetsushou and has played a part in multiple other print works, or that Sakuya is a recurring playable character.
And what about what the idiot in this thread was saying? Meiling isn't relevant, and that somehow makes her not canon? I guess every other character who we haven't seen in a while has just been retconned out of existence! Makes sense.

>>17035609
I don't remember any of those. People *did* argue that EoSD is just your vanilla youkai incident and SDM isn't terribly important in the grand scheme of things compared to the casts of later installments - which is true. The spell card system creation and the moon flight are the only plot points where the SDM were important outside of their own game.
That, and people also pointed out that ZUN *did* retcon their backstory since EoSD, which in a manner of speaking did render part of SDM-related canon false.

Does that make EoSD non-canon? Hell no.
Many newhus would kill for the amount of attention Meiling got - but she is such a positive, likable and admirable girl, she deserves every last bit of it.

>>17034165
Stop being such a comic secondary. Bats can't even beat Superman outside of shitty movies, how would he beat the actual most powerful being in DC?

>>17036134
ZUN never retconned EoSD.

>>17036164
It's been only stated in BAiJR and later PMiSS that the mansion and its' residents moved in from the Outside World.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Scarlet_Devil_Mansion
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Scarlet_Devil_Mansion

Presumably, ZUN wanted to explain why there's a bunch of western youkai in a japanese setting - whereas right after PC-98 games, western youkai were nothing unusual (see Elis, Sariel, Ellen, Kana, Orange, Elly, Sara, Louise or Alice.

>>17036159
I want a game where meiling is given 1 day of prepare to beat every one

>>17036257
>>17036134
That in no way contradicts the story of TH06. Adding additional backstory does not count as a retcon.

>The spell card system creation and the moon flight are the only plot points where the SDM were important outside of their own game.
Yes, the fundamental mechanic of incident resolution and the most major print-work story to date. Plus the chapters of the manga wherein Sakuya or Remi and their connections to the outside world were relevant, or the incidents that Sakuya helped solve, or the fact that their very presence is a check on other non-human powers.
>SDM isn't terribly important in the grand scheme of things compared to the casts of later installments
Explain why they are not at least in the top half of groups in 'importance'.

>>17040445

>the fundamental mechanic of incident resolution
Which were created to *deal with* Remilia's rampage and are in no way her accomplishment. She was only the first rowdy youkai who necessitated their creation.

>the chapters of the manga wherein Sakuya or Remi and their connections to the outside world were relevant
Relevant to whom? How are their personal connections important to the changes that Gensokyo is undergoing?

>the incidents that Sakuya helped solve
She only resolves incidents that inconvenience Remilia in her spare time and thus her help is in no way necessary or expected.

>or the fact that their very presence is a check on other non-human powers
Remilia *could* be one of the players in Gensokyo power struggle, but there's little we could actually see her doing for a long time. Outside of her little moon trip and the hobgoblin deal, that is.

>Explain why they are not at least in the top half of groups in 'importance'.
Yuyuko governs the netherworld and Yukari oversees the barrier. Eirin is a Lunarian sage and had an active role in every Lunarian-related plot. Eiki judges souls. The Moriya Trio brought a new shrine onto Youkai Mountain and plan an industrial revolution. Byakuren brought another shrine with her and actively preaches peace between humans and youkai. Miko planned to usurp power in Gensokyo and still preaches taoism and Mamizou continues her youkai propaganda. The disapperance of any of these people would have much bigger impact on Gensokyo that the loss of one childish vampire mistress and her ensemble.

>>17040937
You seem to be rather upset, but I'll humor you.

>Which were created to *deal with* Remilia's rampage and are in no way her accomplishment. She was only the first rowdy youkai who necessitated their creation
There likely have been other rowdy youkai before, reminder that Yukari fought a war with the moon before for example. So she certainly can't be the first. The spellcard rules also aren't specifically to deal with Remilia, but to end war like conflicts while still accknowledging that there is a necessary system for people to fight each other.

>She only resolves incidents that inconvenience Remilia in her spare time and thus her help is in no way necessary or expected
Reimu only went out to deal with the scarlet mist cause her laundry wouldn't dry. That they are inconvenienced is usually the prime reason to do shit in Touhou. Since Reimu exists, Marisa is not necessary to solve incidents and vice versa. Tada all player characters are unnecessaty.

>Remilia *could* be one of the players in Gensokyo power struggle, but there's little we could actually see her doing for a long time. Outside of her little moon trip and the hobgoblin deal, that is
It's always implied that factions keep each other in check, when was the last time you saw the tengu or kappa do something as a faction that had much impact?

>The disapperance of any of these people would have much bigger impact on Gensokyo that the loss of one childish vampire mistress and her ensemble.
Except that possibly the spellcard rules wouldn't exist and Yuyuko would have killed the player character with anti code OHKO due to lol no rulez. It quite well be that gensokyo would be grimsokyo without them making a big ruckus.

>Relevant to whom? How are their personal connections important to the changes that Gensokyo is undergoing?
Hey I can play this game with the other factions.
Lets take PCB. Youmu might have been a player character, but so was Sakuya. So that doesn't count. Similarely they are in SSiB, but hey that doesn't count and being a first stage boss? Come on, PCB is unimportant and not canon. Yukari is a bit special, but what role did she really play in later games, not canon too.
Lets look at IN, Reisen as PC is unimportant according to your rules, their mangas are and they didn't cause the moon invading the earth. As you can play without Eirins hax elixir, they are unimportant to LoLK, so not canon.
You must be silly if you think PoFV had any influence on anything, not canon.
So next we have the big thing, an interconnected storyline. MoF caused SA, which caused UFO, which caused TD. So I'll count them as one entity, like one big thing. They caused the new fighting games, but fighters are like manga, they don't count. And they had no real influence on the next two games. So they are unimportant and not canon.
Wow, now DDC and LoLK didn't impact fuckall, very not canon.
And like this I applied your logic to everything and everything is unimportant and not canon. Good job.

Back on topic, did Meiling fight in the vampire incident? That would make her rather badass and maybe she was good enough in it so that Remi kept her as gateguard. Where else would they pick up a chinese youkai.

>>17031435
I want to massage her cervix with my glans.

>Meiling thread
>"I DON'T LIKE THE SDM AND THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT IN GENSOKYO AND THEY'RE TOO POPULAR, I WANT MORE ATTENTION FOR MY FAVORITE FACTION, ANYTIME THEY DO SOMETHING IT'S BECAUSE ZUN SHOEHORNED THEM IN, SOMETHING HE NEVER DOES FOR ANY OTHER CHARACTERS. THEY SHOULDN'T BE CANON IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE WESTERN YOUKAI. -Cacophony of dying walrus-like bitching noises-"
Keking hard right now.

>>17044806
It's not as bad as moonposters at least

>>17044806
Meiling is JUST-tier.

Can Bruce Lee defeat Meiling-chan?

>>17045885
If an asparin can, Meiling-sama easily could!

>>17046209
Too mean.

>>17046276
I apologise.

>>17044806
>dying walrus-like bitching noises
I bet it sounds like the last 5 seconds of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHHtvCZ5MIM

>>17042686
And you're going on about the catalysts for respective incidents, why?

I didn't even refer to the incidents themselves - but to the continued importance of people who maintain the current status quo in Gensokyo (Yuyuko, Yukari, Eiki, Eirin now and then) or visionaries who continuously aim to change the status quo (Kanako, Byakuren, Miko, Mamizou, Kasen).

Remilia is neither, thus her continued importance is reduced to her presence being merely a passive check for other youkai that you mentioned. She's more than happy to sit there, drink tea and find new ways to amuse herself instead of actively taking part in Gensokyo matters, which places her alongside the likes of Suika, Tenshi, Utsuho, Seija or Junko.

>>17051437
No I was applying idiot logic to show that idiot logic is idiotic.

You are trying to rate the importance of people by your own standards, that someone needs to be shoehorned in often and do some kind of official job to be considered important. Like that the doctor is more important than the standing army that just currently doesn't fuck with something.
You forget that they already caused an incident, had pretty much a whole manga about them and show up still regularely in the mangas. How much more exposure should ZUN get them? There are plenty other characters that wish they got a fraction of that. And what things would warrant them interfering? Why would they meddle with the human village, when the devil contract doesn't allow them to attack humans? Why fuck much with other groups when they already tried to take over the place before and couldn't. Their current situation is also pretty good, they get humans (from probably Yukari) to eat and in return need to do fucking nothing but not attack the human village. If Remilia had manipulated fate to find a place they could stay comfily, this is it. So despite Remi being constantly bored, she doesn't suddenly decide to fuck everything over. They are smart enough that they know it likely would only make things worse cause there isn't potential to make things better.

>which places her alongside the likes of Suika, Tenshi, Utsuho, Seija or Junko
You mean the Seija that tried to cause a revolution and turn everything around?
You mean the Junko that caused enough ruckos on the moon so the lunarians were forced to evacuate/invade earth?
Thats the two people that tried to change the status quo the most recently.

>>17052227
*Everyone* among the willing incident instigators tried to change the status quo to an extent - that's the whole point of an incident, anon-kun.
The sole exception is Tenshi, of course, who just wanted to get beaten in the first place.

I listed out the people who no longer want to concern themselves with changes in Gensokyo after their incidents, which by nature makes them unlikely to attempt anything of note anymore.
If you disagree with me listing those who deal with the status quo and changes to it on a daily basis above those who don't in level of importance, that's fine. No need to get into defensive fanboy mode. For the record, I love Meiling and have a soft spot for Flandre too.

I just like her.

>>17057570
That's good.

>>17042686
>now DDC and LoLK didn't impact fuckall, very not canon.
You sound butt devasted my dude

You people really need to move on
I know that EoSD was everyone's first game but things change, ZUN's writing matured and so should you

>>17057628
>I know that EoSD was everyone's first game
Speak for yourself.

>>17055847
It's fine, I see what you mean. I thought you were one of the new hipsters that must hate everything old and established we always get when a new game is around. (Next to the ones that hate the new game, in combination with liking a certain group of games very much. I don't think there are PoFV fanboys).
But if it were different, people would complain that the SDM always gets shoehorned in. Some people just can't be satisfied.

>>17022199
this never gets old

>>17022199
https://my.mixtape.moe/qzndxv.webm

Meiling is so cool!