/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>17019068
How does the に work in 川をきれいにしましょう

Is it the same as in 買いに行く?

Without rikai hovering over it, how many people here know 稈 or 硅石 or 雉? Just kind of wondering as I noticed my mining cards seem to be mostly random specialized stuff now and I'm not even in the five digit range yet.

>>17019123
Can you read a book without hovering over it?

>>17019152
You mean not looking up anything? Far from it. At least talking about the books I'm interested in. Even though I would say I know all the "normal vocabulary" a lot of stuff has random words like the ones above which kind of kills the flow. I predict it will be about 15k~ mined cards before I feel truly comfortable.

>>17019188
And what books are you interested in?

>>17019188
>I predict it will be about 15k~ mined cards before I feel truly comfortable.
try double that

>熱海湾に面した沿道は白昼の激しい陽射しの名残りを夜気で溶かし、浴衣姿の男女や家族連れの草履に踏ませながら賑わっている。
Can anyone explain the causative usage of the 踏む here? Shouldn't it be passive, since it's being trampled on?

>>17019261
Not really. One only needs ~9.5k words to know 95% of the words that come up in novels.
I'm sure you don't know all of the words in your native language either. But you can derive its meaning by context. Or by looking up in a dictionary.

>>17019272
Personalization of the 沿道? I.e. it's 賑わっている because in a metaphorical sense it's letting people's 草履 踏む on itself?

>>17019315
And by "personalization" I mean "personification".

>>17019272
こった

ごった

にほんごっぽいにほんごだから

英訳はかなりむずかしいよ

とにかく、お祭りの描写なんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>17019272
Road is making the people walk around despite themselves because it's just that nice of road.

>>17019444
>>17019495
Two poles of autism.

>>17019120
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/adverbs

>>17019123
I knew 硅石 and 雉 but I know about 28k words according to online tests

>>17019261
I feel pretty comfortable at 15K. Not fluent, but for a game like Subahibi I get maybe 5 new words per 1K lines. You could guess or skip those without missing much if you wanted (although looking them up is no problem). The number of cards in your deck is also not a great indicator of its value. I'm generous with adding cards, but I do make the bare minimum effort to not add totally obvious shit. There's one anon here with 3500 kanji spread over 6000 cards, and on the other hand I've seen someone who claimed to have 20K cards while knowing only 2.7K kanji.

>>17019286
>>17019643
Unless you are doing double sided cards you are merely training recognition (i.e. passive vocabulary). A native speaker's passive vocabulary ranges from 25k-50k depending on factors like their education and social circle. Now mining that many cards can be a bit troublesome, in the latter stages of language learning words should be learnt more passively. Mined words therefore seems to be a bad indicator of how good you are or how well you will read.

>>17019643
>but for a game like Subahibi I get maybe 5 new words per 1K lines
I have 7k cards and there's not a single word in Subahibi I don't know heh.

>>17019706
(there are more than 7k words in subahibi)

>>17019715
Does that exclude obvious compound words?

>>17019724
Some but not all.

What's a nice Japanese font for Word?
I use it for notes, saving song texts and stuff like that.

While I'm at it, I can barely read the entries when using a J-J dictionary with rikaisama, is there a way to increase the size?

>>17019727
fonts section of the cor

>>17019715
I see you are a very smart individual.

>>17019727
Get good.

>>17019733
Some people are really that stupid.

Is there any anki core2k like deck that doesn't (or rarely) us any kanji, but rather hiragana and katakana?
Basically I want to learn vocabulary separately from kanji, as I think that my pace will be much faster that way.
Also listening comprehension is more important than reading for me.

>>17019914
Bad idea no matter what your goal is. You can theoretically simply restructure the existing core decks as they have the Kana information in there but it's simply inadvisable. If you really want to to learn Kanji, do that, but also learn the vocabulary with the Kanji. That way your studies overlap. Trying to categorize and isolate language learning sections only harms you.

>>17019931
How can it harm me if it is the way japanese people learn?
First the words are learned and then the kanji.
I think it will hamper me if I fixate too much on the necessity of reading kanji, as I can learn vocabulary much faster than kanji.
Kanji study is something I will do separately, but at a lower pace.
As for the deck, maybe I will write a script which automates the process.

>>17019966
Whatever works best for you, good luck.

>>17019966
Rule of thumb for all language learning: the more you struggle the more you learn. Go ahead and do whatever you feel will make it easier but you are only burning time on inefficient learning.

As for the cards, you literally only need to change the styling and that's it.

I'm two-thirds of the way into Core6k and I realized what a mistake I've made by not reading and mining after finishing Core2k. I'm a できない

>>17019966
Do you want to learn Japanese in 10+ years?

>>17019996
Just start reading right now.

>>17019996
It doesn't really matter, core is garbage and distributes common words throughout the entire 6k instead of frontloading them. It's inefficient but you still spent your time learning useful things.

>>17020002
If I am able to learn more vocabulary in a shorter time, I will gain understanding quicker.
Especially since listening comprehension and speaking is high priority for me, as I will spend a lot of time in Japan soon.
Knowing a lot of kanji is not really necessary for day to day life in japan, understanding others, knowing how to form sentences and speak is.
Also I didn't say that I won't learn the kanji writings of vocabulary, but I will do this separately.

>>17019987
>As for the cards, you literally only need to change the styling and that's it.
Thanks, this was quite easy.

Is 名前 a loan word?

>>17020061
Yea, from Chinese.

>>17020080
Well not a loanword but etymological roots. Nothing to do with the English name.

>>17019996
Time spent "studying wrong" is not time wasted. As other anon said, you without a doubt learned something useful in your time spent with Core. There are only two modes to this game: Learning Japanese and Learning Japanese faster. Remember that the only way to actually fail at learning Japanese is to give up. If your methods are horribly inefficient but your resolve is sincere, you will still learn the language, even if it takes twice as long as another guy.

>>17020080
I mean from English.

>>17020136
Are you retarded?

>>17020141
No. I'm just asking if 名前 is a loan word from English.

>>17020148
So you are.

>>17020154
No. I'll repeat my question, is 名前 a loan word from English?

>>17020038
Here's one problem with your idea: Homophones. How are you supposed to know whether かみ is the thing you take notes on, the fuzzy stuff on your head, or the dude in the sky you throw coins at on New Year's? This isn't a problem in spoken Japanese because you have the context clarify. Not so with Anki.

>整理したものを系統別にちゃんとまとめておきました。
I have a hard time coming up with an English word for 系統別, anyone have an idea? I know that it means he tidied up everything into a neat system with differentiation but I can't come up with anything that sounds more eloquent than that

>>17020160
I don't know japanese.

>>17020170
Same here. I'm not even a learner yet.

>>17020173
Fuck off, faggot.

>>17020161
In such cases I can just learn the kanji.
It's not like I hate the idea of learning them.

>>17020080
Chinese don't say 名前...

>>17020160
http://gogen-allguide.com/na/namae.html

>>17020182
Can you tell me if 名前 is a lone world from English?

>>17020216
I too would like to know this.

>>17019580
that's not how adverbs work

t. not bothering reading the chapter to see if it actually covers more than adverbs

>>17019120
let's make the river きれい

>>17020184
The language is full of them. You can do whatever you want but you'll probably end up confused.

>>17019987
>the more you struggle the more you learn
W R O N G
HOLY SHIT

This is absolutely retarded, never even attempt to spread this bullshit again.
Struggling can mean so much more than "challenging yourself in a worthwhile way."

>>17020281
t. babby who can't read more than Yotsubato and moege after a year still

>>17020166
"by {group, class, order, et.c.}"?

Are any of you guys good enough to understand the news? It took me like 3 years to get to 80-90% anime comprehension, and watching the news (or really any kind depiction of normal Japanese people speaking) I'm only getting like 20-30% comprehension. I guess I just realized it's gonna take me another three years to understand normal Japs and I've come here to complain about it. I hate waiting. Any listening comprehension advice?

>>17020286
You sound like the kind of faggot to defend pressing again on new cards because "it makes my stats worse, which means my training regime is harsher, which means my gains are greater"

Being autistic =/= making progress. At least study for half a year before infesting the thread with your bullshit.

>>17020312
Listen to massive quantities of comprehensible material. If it took you 3 years then you did something really wrong or didn't spend much time.

>>17020323
You can't learn Japanese.

>>17020286
t. N2-kun

>>17020332
Too late.

>>17020323
>defend pressing again on new cards
What? Are you supposed to press pass despite not knowing the card?

>>17020265
The pattern is adverbial form + する・なる regardless of whether it's still considered an adverb. That's why it's in that section.

>>17020342
You're supposed to press the 10 minute button. It makes literally no difference in the long run (read: 1 week, seriously) other than skewing your statistics. The "pressing again" statistic is for cards you forgot, to track your retention. What do you achieve by including 20 cards you have not yet learned into your retention statistic?

>>17020330
Well, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit. I didn't even bother mining words in anki until about six months ago, so if we're being liberal here I could say I didn't start REALLY learning japanese until about a year ago.

Have any recommendations for real people speaking Japanese at a fast pace besides the news though? All I know about is the news and anime.

I don't understand the dictionary's definition of 同居人.
>一緒に住んでいる家族以外の人。
A family you that you live with the exception of people? The main thing that's confusing me is 以外.

>>17020367
[一緒に住んでいる] [家族以外] の人。

>>17020367
People you live with except family.

>>17020342
Of course not. Pressing "Good" on a card you don't know doesn't make much sense does it?

>>17020357
Have you ever taken a look at the statistics screen or are you just retarded?

>>17020367

It can also mean "other than" or "outside of".

can one of you type this captcha for me please? thanks.

>>17020404
問根堀

So I was reading this Chiebukuro post to understand better the difference between 中味 and 中身, and as general practice.

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1142504986

The difference proved not hard to grasp, but I came upon this phrase.
>「ミカンの中味」と言えば
>皮を剥いた真ん中の《だいだい色の球体の可食部分》に、
>その実の詰まり具合や味などの内容を含んだもの。

Am I correct in understanding that 実 is 「み」, and that the meaning of その実詰まり具合 is to the extent of "The consistency of the fruit body"?

>>17020423
>その実詰まり具合
Missed a の here, but it's in the quoted text.

>>17020404

といねほり

>>17020433
thanks so much, worked perfectly. you're the man.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4874246788/

How's this compared to DoJG?
Seems like very little learners actually own it and no pages online for me to check the quality.

>>17020508
Probably better since it's more modern but nobody's ripped it yet and I'd only buy it to do so if it were available on .com.

>>17020508
>>17020510
Also, the japanese version is in the CoR, IIRC, but I don't know whether it's an old revision or not.

>>17020508
The Japanese version is pretty good. Better than DoJG in a lot of ways, although the focus is different so the comparison isn't straight-forward. Here, I had this excerpt.

>>17020511
>>17020584
Are you sure the Japanese version of this is in the CoR? I've searched through the files containing "handbook" but didn't find it.

>>17020508
Someone posted some photos of the English version a while ago.
http://imgur.com/a/TNJ8J

>>17020632
日本語文型辞典

>>17020642
>http://imgur.com/a/TNJ8J
Looks good. Hope scans appear eventually.

>>17020312
>Are any of you guys good enough to understand the news?
Nope. I'm not even a learner to be entirely honest with you.

>>17020734
Then what the hell are you doing here!

>>17020759
Trying to become a learner.

>>17020760
You can do it.

When are two kanjis equal?

真面目の一歩はいいアニメです！！！

>>17020508
>>17020584

I have the english version (and all the DOJGs). This one is basically all example sentences for grammar points, while the DOJGs focus more on detailed explanations.

Both are useful.

>>17020809
When they share the same unicode codepoint

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification

>>17020642
>日本語文型辞典
Thanks mate (really should've been able to find that on my own, though).

>>17020812
I bet you think you did something smart.

what's the name of the jap font used in Persona 5?

>>17020812
>真面目
Wrong letter, buddy. It's はじめ, not まじめ.

>>17020827
Them's fighting words, senpai.

Ok, I'm retarded and tech illiterate. I downloaded the Core 2k/6k anki deck from https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html but now I don't know if I'm being shown cards from 2k or 6k. There are 6k cards in total but do the cards go from easy to hard or are they just shown randomly? Do I need to make a selection to learn the simpler cards first?

>>17021267
Every card has a number. Cards with smaller numbers are shown first. 2k is simply the first 2k cards. 6k is both 2k plus an additional 4000 cards for a total of 6000 cards.

>>17021267
>>17021269
Also anki has an option for showing new cards in random order, make sure it's disabled.

>>17021269
>>17021272
Thank you, that's exactly the explanation I needed.

I'm getting back into Anki but I can't find the optimized core10k anymore. Does anyone have a link?

>>17021398
Just mine you dumb fucking drone.

I'm working through the genki books, I'm at chapter 7 of the first one right now.

When should I start looking into japanese pen-pals? I'd like to get accustomed to writing/speaking with an actual person.

No matter where I look I can't seem to find a decent explanation of んじゃない, even though it comes up everywhere. Judging from the contexts I've seen so far, it seems like it can be a either a command or an assertion, and either positive or negative, which is very confusing, and de-abbreviating it to のではない often doesn't seem to make any sense either.

>>17021464
Talk to one ASAP.
They're all pretty helpful.
Try hellotalk

>>17021507
https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/6997868.html
It's basically a softer, less direct version of the rhetorical じゃない

>>17020812
is this a parody

Does anyone know how to write with furigana?

>>17021702
What's a furigana

(blog commencing)
i went through the japanese course of duolingo through a hack because why not.

it's full of nuances, sometimes the kanji is not read, and expect it to be good once it gets full of feedback.

also there's a subculture and a olympics sub-course as a bonus. i couldn't use them because it kicked me out.

tl;dr keep doing your daily studies and don't even attempt looking at this until more than a couple months pass. It's for n5 babies anyway.

>>17021708
So you realised that your post was a blog but submitted it anyway?

>>17021708
nobody (reasonable) here thought duolinguo was going to be useful

Why do we have so many mouthbreathing retards like >>17021707 here lately?

>>17021745
Looks like we're being raided by /r/learnjapanese.

I know I'm repeating myself but do you guys know of any alternative link to the All About Particles anki deck? The one at DJT seems to be down

>>17021947
Please do not learn grammar in anki.

>>17021552
Not exactly. I found more or less what I was looking for here:

https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/8789955.html

apparently んじゃない can also work as a negative imperative, even though that might mean almost the opposite of it's interpretation as a rhetorical question.
I still don't really understand how it can mean that (the top answer seems to have a go at explaining but they are still a bit vague), but that's just japanese for you I guess.

>>17021953
Not him: If the deck is structured like a dictionary of particles I think it's fine. If it's something else though I agree. I don't have the deck so I don't know, but I accidentally mined particles when I started out and it actually helped, i.e. I recognize the ones I mined with more reliability.

>>17021947
I don't have a copy, but if you really wanted it you could remake it using this.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WRDMOoote81ar83frLpXtXMuqqLyVvbK0Ad01Bz_Cuc/edit?authkey=CNvEn78D&hl=en&hl=en&authkey=CNvEn78D#gid=0

You'd have to export it as tab-separated files, import that into Anki and remake the style/template yourself.

Do you go through your cards all in one sitting or do you only do an amount of them at a time before coming back later in the day?

>finish reps on 23:58
FUCK, YEAH!

STREAK PRESERVED!

>>17021507
>and de-abbreviating it to のではない often doesn't seem to make any sense either.
but they're the same thing

Is there a replacement for Rikaisama?

>>17022193
what part of のではない makes a negative imperative then? I've seen plenty of rhetorical questions as のではない（か）, but I've never seen a negative imperative expression written like that.

>>17022301
A physical dictionary.

I think some anon mentioned yomichan or some shit not so long ago, not sure if it is any good though.

>>17022311
can't really tell you what part makes it work like that, but it's used like that, like のだ can be used to give a command/instruction

>>17022311
>>17022347
The superior grammar guide mentions it.

>>17022393
sorry i don't want to learn manga japanese

>>17022411
Good luck learning tae kim japanese then.

>>17022311
>廊下で走るんじゃない！
If you tried to translate it literally it might be something like, "Running in the hallway is not the thing!"
That is to say, it's not the proper/expected thing to do. You should do something else instead.

>>17022301
>>17022331
Yomichan is good, that's what I've been using as a Rikaisama replacement. I had to upload my own J-to-J dictionary for it though.

>>17022311
I assume it's never expanded to のではないbecause it's an inherently slangy way to make a command. Putting one part of your slang in proper Japanese sounds silly.

>>17022024
Thanks a lot!

sorry guys, I give up

>>17022676
Good

>>17022676

>>17022676
How far did you make it

>>17022761
finished genki 1 and 2

tried to immerse, and I can't understand a goddamn native thing no matter how much I work at it

could an anon help me recognize the radicals?

Which kanji is the most complex/has the most strokes?

>>17022911
鬱

>思春期に大量に分泌される化学物質のなせるわざだ
What does 思春期に mean in this sentence? Is the の replacing a が?

>>17022916
Trying to write that thing makes me depressed.

>>17022920
Are you fucking braindead? Go back to learning particles, retard.

>>17022924
I think I got it now. The される was what I needed to look at. Long passive phrases are difficult.
Thanks for the help anyway.

>>17022920
it's the work of chemical substances that are released in large quantities during puberty

>>17022967
Ah, thanks. I see it now.

I think I want to get a kanji book. Should I get remembering the kanji or kodanshas kanji or another?

>>17022920
That なせる confused me at first. It's not actually the potential form of なす and just means した.

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E7%82%BA%E3%81%9B%E3%82%8B-588795

>>17023007
文語は楽しい

Having trouble with this,

>ko, kono
Is it saying "child, this", or maybe "th-this"?

>休勢wa
"Rest energy is-"? I don't know the word 休勢 and it isn't in my dictionary

Where do you guys go to double-check stroke order?

Are some places better or worse than others? I've been using http://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/home/ but I don't know shit.

>>17022818
You probably need to try a bit harder than that. Just do it slow

アノン君ファイト！
頑張れー

Based on 8 VNs, only one of which is particularly short, only ~24k words show up in more than one of them. And something like, I'm ballparking this here, 25% of those are loanwords from english or not "words of their own" (adverb forms of i-adjectives, compound verbs, nouns with derivational affixes attached).

>>17023116
I don't care about stroke order

>>17023116
If WWWJDIC doesn't have a stroke order animation I just Google "[kanji]　書き方"

Going through Genki 1 now. When should I start core 2k? After Genki 2?

数たちをよく聞こえることを磨く方法を教えて、お兄ちゃん

日本語が中途半端に入ると難しいな。。。

>>17023566
You could start now. But I'd start by solidifying a bit of grammar and then moving to native content you're interested in so that you learn stuff in context, instead through a seemingly random order of words and expressions.
If you don't understand, which is normal, there's always jisho.

>>>/int/74820293

日本人

変格活用まで理解しようとすると無理だよ
感覚で覚えるもんだし

>>17023747
せ、し、す、する、すれ、せよ
こ、き、く、くる、くれ、こ・こよ
ただの暗記なんだよ

>>17023765
暗記か？
普通に俺は感覚で使っちゃうから難しい
でもそれを理解した上で使ってる日本人少なくね？

>>17023664
よく聞くと聞き取りが良くなるだろ

>>17023338
It is useful.
You should.

>>17023765
投稿を訂正しろ！

>>17023808
何が悪いの？
たしかに口語では
し・さ・せ、し、する、する、すれ、しよ・せよ
こ、き、くる、くる、くれ、こい
なんだけど

>>17023808
流石お兄ちゃん説明がうまいな

>>17023817
>しよ
しろ
ってへ

I don't have the discipline to get any farther on my own in Japanese. I really need a structured native tutor at this point, especially because I want to focus on business level Japanese.

If I can't find a live tutor in my area or classes, does anyone have suggestions of paid websites with streaming sessions that give good results and are well structured and intensive? I have plenty of free time and money isn't really an issue.

>>17023817
日本人ですら国語、古文で小中高12年かけて学ぶもんを文字で理解しろって無理ゲーだから怒ってるんじゃね？

怒ってるなら英語で書いてくれるとわかりやすい

日本語を仕事で使えるレベルか…
日本人とSkypeで話すのが一番覚えやすいんだけどな…
日本語のインターネット授業って少ないのよ

You had better talk with Japanese people on Skype

流暢に発言できるのはすごいですね
僕もそのようになりたいんですが
アメリカに住んでますし、周りには日本語母語者もいません
得意なのは読解と翻訳だけです
それで満足することにします
はい終了

今北産業(´･ω･`)

>>17023901
それだけできればすげえよ！！
U A amazing!!

>>17023918
ここの連中
日本語話したい
なぜか文章で理解しようとしてる

>>17023828
Try iTalki, it seems pretty popular.

おｋ　I anderstand come on ! ! !
グーグル翻訳で英語待機してるで！

I came from the Japanese version 4chan.

I came from VIP.
haha

>>17023940
Exactly what I was looking for, Thank you!

I don't understand who is a man whose language is Japanese.

>カノー先輩は、生命力に欠け過ぎてますからね～
>そうかな
>はい、毎朝公園でゲートボールしてるウチのおじいちゃんより、儚げです
I don't really understand the third sentence, mainly what より is doing here and the following 儚げです.

なぁ、タダでさえ神の俺っちが神を超えたら俺っちは一体何者になるんや？

>>17024044
I understand what they mean individually, just how it connects with 家のおじいちゃん

>>17024065
he seems even more ephemeral than my uncle that plays gate ball at the park every morning

>>17024008
ウチのおじいちゃんより、儚げです
= more frail(or fragile) than my grandfather

「嬉しげだ」と「嬉しそうだ」とは、ほぼ同じ意味を持ってるでしょうか
同じ文脈でも使えるでしょうか

>>17024085
Sorry.I did not translate it

>>17024104
嬉しげだの方が賢そう

>>17024140
残念ながらそれには日本のipが必要なんだ。。

>>17022136
New day starts at 6 hours past midnight by default

なんか認証のせいでエロ動画をダウンロードしてる気分だよな

IP弾いてんの？2ch最低だな

2ch is isolated

>>17024195
>2ch is isolated
Is it isolated?
Everyone who came here Hentai

>>17024206
串も面倒いな
こういう串とか理解したいらしいけど
あと外人書き込み遅いな

>>17024221
that's right
I think I get angry when translating Japanese below

Jesus

>>17024225
ダメ人間ゆうな
社畜じゃなくて何が悪い

>>17024230
それがどうしたって言うんだ？

>>17024259
いや２ｃｈの奴等はみんなキチガイだから気にするな

>>17024259
日本人が言うと滑稽千万だぞ

>>17024284
いや私たちの日本語は優秀すぎるだけだ

Although you did come here at an awkward time, all the Americans are asleep.

2chは専ブラないと使いモノにならないレベルだけどここはいいね

なるほどオーストラリアなら日本と時差がないな

アメリカの西海岸のニート共もまだ起きてるはずです

>>17024323
祝福ありがと

>>17024273
すげえな
パウロちゃん可愛すぎ
>>17024284
>>17024289
アメリカ人は大体寝てるかも
もちろんこの俺のようなニートなら午前 三時だって関係ないさ

思うんだが4chanの連中と、俺ら時差あるよな…？

>>17024353
怒りを表すreaction imageなのです

切腹しろ

>>17024369
so cute

大学時間です、さよなら日本人達
(ゝω・`)┏┏

>>17024390

Thanks

But wouldn't that mean "Shingeki no Bahamut" was Rage's Bahamut instead of Bahamut's Rage?

グーグル翻訳してもなお
カタカナの英語が出てくる(´･ω･`；)

>>17024462
I think it's just an adjective phrase.
to make sounds cool.

>>17024474
>>17024480

I see. Thank you. I don't quite understand, but it helps me to know there are different uses.

>>17024545
その場合　の　はいらないな
俺の存在を定義する漢字
でいい

>>17024567
ありがとう

久しぶりにきたらビッカスが暴れてる？

>>17024098

おはようおにいちゃん

いわしむきすぎて

手がもうボロボロ

>>17025247
妹ライフスタイル大変だね

what the hell happened here

>>17025273
おっきいのはこうやってワタとホネを抜くんだけど
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_fkCROz5eQ

海でとれるから

さくさく漁ればいいんだよ

>>17025448
なんで4chanで英語の勉強したいかわからないが、/int/のほうがふさわしいと思うよ
Pretty good English for a 13 year old Japanese though

>>>/int/74867180

actually he is 43.

but why 4chan check if 'im fucking robot or not every single post?

>>17025376
>if production had some overlap with reading and listening comprehension I'd surely take the time though
I think it does.

ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━!!!

>>17025789
Nice, desu-ne!

Duolingo's Japanese course coming out in three days, are you all hyped?

>>17025919
No. Fuck off.

>>17025929
Any reason for the negativity other than the 4chan-trademarked kneejerk reaction of it being new

coming--------:)--------!!!

>>17025947
>>17025945
Except for being judged by people who think other people care about what they think, is there still no legitimate reason for all the negativity

>>17025957
None at all, now blast off like Team Rocket.

>>17025957
Keeping people from being misled into buying into crappy platforms is a very legitimate reason for negativity.

>>17025984
No, "buying into" is a phrasal verb in english.

>it's a fine platform
Does it expose you to copious amounts of arbitrary, compelling japanese? Does it adapt to your skill level, no matter how low or high? The answer is no. It's not a fine platform.

>>17025984
>It's free
Have fun with that. You get what you pay for.

>>17025995
Go marry him, faggot.

>>17025991
The answer should be no because it's not out yet, but it definitely does that with other languages though

>>17026000
It doesn't.

>>17026002
But it does, and I'm guessing you haven't finished an entire course let alone checked it out again after the first time you did years ago

>>17025995
had a giggle

>>17026011
I should have to finish the course for it to show me things at exactly my skill level. The fact that you used the words "finish" and "course" prove that it's inherently bad. Fuck off and stop shilling.

>>17026004

Top: Chinese version and how it is displayed on some sites.
Bottom: Japanese version and how I'd like it to look everywhere.

Both Chrome and Android do this unless the whole system is set to Japanese from what I know.

>>17025995
crushing hard on this cutie :3

>>17026013
>>17025995
>>17026024
You need to go back, dogen.

>>17026018
Look at how I didn't mention the training mode to do the thing you keep complaining about, meaning you did exactly as the post you're replying to described and haven't actually been to the site let alone do one of the courses

What is it with 4chan people and the fear of being in the wrong

>>17026038
That doesn't do what it needs to do. You don't know how languages are learned.

>What is it with 4chan people and the fear of being in the wrong
What is it with shills and strawmanning

>>17026038
There is exactly one way to learn languages.

Consume language material that's at the right level for you.

Drills don't work. Memorizing patterns don't work. They don't make you fluent in any way.

Duolingo doesn't have enough compelling language material. It's not useful.

>>17026068
Ah, yes, making people feel good for finding this hip fun thing that makes you sm4rter on tuitter, prompting them to retueet it and tell their friends.

>>17026047
>>17026051
>>17026058

Which one of these posts have actually finished a course on the website

Don't reply if your answer is no or dodging the question, because don't expect another reply then

>>17026137
Does being fucking done with this language count?

>>17026137
>finished
What's that?

>>17026137
I haven't started yet, but I plan to do that soon.

When people say 「うーん」in manga is it always ううん meaning no, or can it sometimes be some sort of extended うん with emphasis meaning yes? If so is there something that can help me distinguish the two?

>>17026232
It's neither.

>>17026137
As long as you're here you're a DJT EOP.

>>17026232
I wonder. . .

>>17026237
Hello DJT EOP.

>>17026232
It's an abbreviated form of うんこ. Next time, use a dictionary.

>>17026095

>I assert that paying me $200 for me to tell you to stand on your head will make you great at golf.

>What's that? A community of golfers suggests that's not the case? Ha! Have any of them given me the $200 for my program? No? Then how could they possibly postulate the effectiveness of my program?

>>17025986
Han unification was a mistake.

>>17025986
why not simply change to Japanese font

Why is こんにちは "Konnichiwa" instead of "Konnichiha"? Is it an abbreviated sentence or something?

>>17026354
Why are you so stupid?

>>17026349
>>17026374
Do you perchance have some kind of learning deficiency?

>>17026397
Probably, don't know what though

I always just figured I have a bad memory

Newfag here. What does mining mean?

>>17026406
At what age did you start learning? What age are you now? What does your studying routine look like/what has it looked like for the first and last years?

>>17026419
Pls no bully

>>17026468
I could you've been reading much at all if your comprehension is that bad.

>>17026450
Thank you for correct my bad English.

>>17026468
You might be retarded.

>>17026468
I doubt you've been reading much at all if your listening comprehension is that bad.

>>17026496
Maybe it is because idolmaster is more otaku so that they use more unusual Japanese?
I don't know about anime these days though.

>>17026496
>Idolmaster
It is hard even with English subs.

>>17026496
Yeah not buying it. Someone who would be at the level of being able to read Albatross does not struggle with SoL anime.

>>17026528
It's not that hard to believe that I've just spent a disproportionate amount of time practising reading compared to listening

Those gooks sure know how to shitpost

>>17026548
It is. Reading is like mini-listening at the same time because you sub-vocalize the text in your head. So if you are able to read at a decent speed and got the vocabulary down, you are also able to pick up listening very quickly retroactively. 95% of my time is spent reading and anime became a non-issue long before I even reached the second year of study.

>>17026579
Well I guess I just have brain problems then, I've been reading for at least 5 years, most of that time I was neet, I mined 15k words and 3k unique kanji before I stopped using anki, yet I still have massive problems with listening comprehension

>>17026372

I do not have an answer for that question.

I may be too stupid to comprehend the reason.

>>17026592
If I were you I'd just give up and completely indulge in reading. If you still can't listen well after that long of a time it's 仕方がない. Books are superior anyways

>>17026354
こんにちは　and こんにちわ
both sound same konnitiwa
if you just pick the letter は　
you pronounce it ha though.

>>17026617
I'm pretty sure I just need more listening practice, it's just that it's so slow and painful I can't bring myself to do it, don't know how people practice listening without going insane

俺が英語のリスニング勉強するときは再生スピード変えたりして訓練してる。

なんか俺の日本語も変になってきた

So many fucking words and compounds aahhhhhhhh I want to die

ハロー ジャパンネーズ ピッポル

お前ら恥ずかしくないのか爆笑

でもここって/jp/ - Otaku Cultureの一スレにすぎないわけだろ？いいじゃん居座ったって

>>17026705
weve come to play onii chan lmao

>>17026762
ちょっｗｗｗｗやめっｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>17026764
youtu.be/bARY2QkVLv4#t=17

>>17026764
it says
you guys are shy even though you are gaijin but react like japs.

>>17026775
I keep thinking that Japanese is not meant to be rapped like that.

>>17026776
Thanks, that makes sense to me now. It sucks being a beginner.

こんにちは日本人達。
僕は日本語を分からない。
日本を行くのは欲しい。どうして？
日本の女性を一発やる。

>>17026806
一発じゃなく3発はやるべき

>>17026806
なんだよｗｗｗｗｗｗｗあたまおかしいだろおまえｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

過疎すぎるなここ

Kannst du auf deutsch sprechen, japanisch?
Ich kann nicht

>>17026835
こ↑こ↓

>>17026842
Klar kann ich das. Was glaubst du wer wir sind? Deutschland ist unser engster Verbündeter damals und auf ewig.

>>17026854
これがホントの日本だ

>>17026858
おまえいうな

こいつらは2chからきたよね
あっちのやつらはほとんどリア充じゃなかったっけ？
気に食わねえ、さっさと帰れ

>>17026854
原油クソポストってなんや

>>17026879
この排他性オタク特有だな
ある意味きちんと伝統を受け継いでいるといえる

>>17026895
謝謝アミーゴ

>>17026854
>not filtering posts with Japanese characters

>>17026879
They would be イキりオタク which is
recently created meme term.

>>17026905
romanji bakari jan

NO
オタクじゃなくてただのニート

だんだん車とガソリンスタンドと店と山を選ぶゲームがうまくなってきてるな

>>17026913
オタクじゃないなら暇で何をしてる？

>>17026905
I can feel my brain capacity expanding.

>>17026929
２ｃｈ　ようつべ　ゲーム　読書だな

本物の日本語超怖いよ

あたしいじめないでください

>>17026938
うるせえ童貞

>>17026654
問題は時間より興味のほうだと思う。そもそも課程の小部分にすぎない科目を興味もなく試験だけのために勉強するばあい、実際に英語をよく分かるはずも願いもない。
いっぽう趣味にかられて暇（しかもこのようのサイトを通うカスの豊かな暇）で日本語をわかるために言語を勉強するばあい、埒が明かないまま勉強をいつまでも続けることは困る。

>>17026937
だめにんげんとしては、何かの反省あるか？

>>17026952
嘘つき

>>17026976
マジで俺の友情を無視したかよ
それが反省の一つだろう

>>17026997
お前の友情なんてそんなもんか
ペッ

>>17027005
いや待ってなんで俺が悪い急に

>>17027024
あんまりそういうのに答えてればゲイっていうし
答えなければ無視すんなって言うしむずかしいところやねそれは

>>17027036
ｄｊｔの住人は全員ホモだからOKです

>>17027036
ゲイってなんだよ
日本でブロマンスというもの存在してないか

>>17027170
>所為
お前、最高の初心者って知ってるぜ？

Name a modern fiction writer harder than Mareni.

>>17027182
me
i'm msuchg a bed writer th meaning ot what i write is coninrehansible

>>17027182
Name two (2 (二)) worthwhile works of his

who is mareni

>>17027227
You must know more than google, because it sure couldn't find any

おはようおにいちゃん

おふろはいろ

>>17027254
「はいろう」といいたかったよね

>>17027248
oh you are.

I don't know about you guys, but I made some major gains today

おふろはいろ
でも正解だよ
子供が甘えてるような言い方だ
おふろはいろうといえば
真面目な感じが出る

>>17027294
ちゃんと釣られたな

>>17027308
ん？
これが釣り？どう意味で？
だとすればほとんど病気だな

How can I get a random japanese person to pratice with, anyone with experienced with this? How did you get over your own autism? What is the minimal level to start practicing in this manner?

>>17027292
what gain?

>>17027317
そんなに日本語の下手やつがいるわけないだろう
ｄｊｔにも

this world is taken over by some psychos

>>17027354
いい加減にな

>>17027372
どういう意味ですか？
日本語がいい加減だなといってるのですか
それともいい加減にしろってこと？
あなたの日本語はよくわかりません。

>>17027393
おまえかなりばかですね

>>17027404
お前よりましです

>>17027323
If you're not normie enough for hellotalk then your best bet is to go hermit until you learn production on your own

like me

>天気はきれいで、よかったです。
>The weather is beautiful and good.
>The weather is beautiful and I was happy.

Which one is the proper translation for this?

>>17027406
>The weather is beautiful and the pleasure of being cummed inside.

英語は喋って？
私は日本語とても悪いそなわよね。。。

>>17027418
>天気はきれいで、よかったです。
The weather is beautiful and good.

>天気はきれいで、気持ちよかったです。
>The weather is beautiful and I was happy.

>>17027418
Weather's good, lucky me
literally: weather's good, that's good

if it were past it would be でした

なぜ、ふたばは漫画板がないのか

I've got some questions
What are the rules for using で and に when listing several things? I often see the first one used on adjectives and the latter when refering to several clothes a character is wearing.
Second: often, I see のも, but I rarely can squeeze the meaning out, I suppose it is の as in もの and も as in either or too, however, I'm still lost most times I see it.

>>17027594
asking the important questions

>>17027458
This is not in Tae Kim, but it's covered by JTMW, the DoJG notes for と (1) and Imabi.

>自己主張が得意な女の子たちの中で、彼女が立っていられる場所はちゃんとあるのだろうかと、ときどき心配したりもする。
>自己主張が得意な女の子たちの中で
Is that "Among women with self-assertion as a strong point"? As in, 自己主張が得意な modifies 女の子たち, rather than 自己主張が modifying 得意な女の子たち

>>17027636
ほのめかしてる? I have no clue

Anyone know a good way to watch NHKニュース7? NHK won't let me do their on demand service from overseas and youtube only has up to two weeks ago.

>>17027708
Yes.

>>17027849
Does anybody have access to that Cloze pack they have? I'm interested in seeing the content, it may be useful for an intermediate-advanced level if anything.

>>17027988
AbemaTVも日本だけで見られるようです。コピーライトはひどいな。

>>17028420
It's so they can trick dumb foreigners into working for them with extremely low salaries. The average, non retarded person knows that, in order to live in a country, you must speak the official language at least at a basic level. Seeing EOPs ｃreate excuses about how they don't need to learn japanese in order to function properly in the japanese society and later complaining about how everyone treats them like a braindead foreigner is one of the most laughable things in existence.

>>17028420
it is dumb and most ppl are wise to it now

teach english anywhere else

>>17028420
The Japanese think that immersion is the best way to learn. Even if you know Japanese, you are only allowed to speak in English.

>>17028493
Well you are teaching English. What good is it if you don't use it?

>>17027594
>インプライーング

>>17028509
I wouldn't advise you to take a mundane career like english teaching too seriously. See: Ryan Boundless. He's already mentally ill but his bad experiences in japan as an english teacher only made him worse. Truth is, english teaching is more like a step in order to give yourself more chances of attaining residency in Japan. Most companies like JET will probably just use you and then throw you away in order to welcome more hungry foreigners. And when you do get thrown away, or just get tired of the same teaching agenda, you'll have nowhere to go. Teaching english doesn't give you any valuable work experience. It's basically a dead end from there.

Does anyone have that mediafire link from years ago that had all of the nsfw asmr doujin voice recordings?

>>17028536
>>17028509
>>17028456
>>17029200
Do not teach English.
Teach a STEM field!

i'm trying to memorize some hard-ass names with kanji in anki, but it can't stick with me if i hit "again" and then "good", then forgetting about it in a couple minutes just to find the next day i didn't memorize it (i mean, it works in the looong run, but it takes a lot of time).

Can I achieve having more steps on already reviewed cards that are in the "again" pile? I want something like my steps on new cards (1 1 10 10 30).

>注文
>命令
Is there any difference?

>>17029444
注文 is order as in "to order a pizza" or "to order at a restaurant"
命令 is a command from a superior, usually something military. Your lord orders you to advance the army.

At the restaurant the waiter will come up to you and ask you
>ご注文は？

>>17029457
Thanks, anon.

>At the restaurant the waiter will come up to you and ask you ご注文は？
Not if you avoid all human contact and order through the ticket machine outside!

>>17029483
>who's to say the 自動販売機 won't in a couple years from now?
Absolutely horrible.

>>17029435
i already write them, though not with the utmost care (especially the more complex ones).

Also, i got this same deck from ankiweb and it's not only super old, but also terribly organized (very mixed). I've thought of lurking for a good, curated deck (like core but for names), though it's too late for me (i'm 1/7 through).

「訪ねる」と「訪れる」はどう違いますか？

>>17029652
たずねる　ask or search
おとずれる　visit or come
だから訪ねるの場合はまだ知らない土地に行くというニュアンスがあり、訪れるの場合はもうよく知ってる土地に行くことや春が訪れたなどの使い方もある

>>17029688
>>17029783
なるほど。ありがとうございます！

>>17029688
私も気になったことだ、わかりやすい説明ありがと

Is there a list/chart somewhere of the most common "alternative furigana" (I don't know if there's a name for that)? Examples: 運命ーさだめ, 感染すーうつす, 膣ーなか.

>>17030260
https://core6000.neocities.org/furigana.txt

If there are any 日本人 here please be my friend

How do I interpret this?

How many new cards per day do people usually do to start? I feel like if I set it too high then I'll just be overwhelmed eventually but I think 50 is a fair number.

>>17030489
Well once you start learning Japanese you'll have a good head start.

>>17030489
I'm not an RTK hater but spending more than a year on it is tragic. You've done enough to get over your fear of kanji. Drop that shit and focus on reading/vocabulary.

>>17030647
いえす　いーじーつー　りーど

>>17030647
The first one is Hanayome=bride

>>17030665
And the second?

>>17030863
Use your damn head. It's clearly a Dragon Quest box art, and you got a name right after the (very common) kanji you're looking for.

>>17030908
Back in the past I had a ton of sites saved but cannot remember them for the life of me now that I actually graduated.

My japanese is piss poor but i'd still like to try this out. Don't mean to spam the DJT but if anyone knows of any good recruiting sites/etc I could look at i'd appreciate it.

So im doing no internet in june completely so i can study Japanese and work on real life stuff.


Whats every Japanese book grammar book i should read? Ive already read through most of them...

>>17030930
Just read actual books then.

I don't wanna do Anki today

>>17030938
それなら、全裸で道端にガッツポーズをしろ

>>17030489
Well, you'll definitely have a confident grip on the grammar when you first start out, with problems only arising when you get to very late intermediate things. For now I recommend learning kanji through words instead of individually, it's less efficient than doing them individually but it will get you more vocab and kanji faster. Remember to write them down and do lots of recall practice, this is VERY important.

Otherwise I'd recommend starting with Minna no Nihongo or Genki right away, unless there's something keeping you from dedicating 2-3 hours a day on studying that stuff.

>tfw you're taking special classes on Japanese Archeology so you end up passively learning useless niche words like 遺伝子, 採集狩猟生活, 土器, 渡来系弥生人, 落葉広葉樹林

>>17031182
>useless niche words
>遺伝子
>採集
>狩猟
>生活
So you started learning Japanese yesterday.

>>17031189
Thanks
Please subscribe

>>17031200
Yes

>>17030647
天空の花嫁

音楽　すぎやまこういち

Trying to remember when big is "tai" or "dai" (and when it is not "big and great") really makes you think about the arbitrary character of Japanese sound readings.

When can I jump into reading stuff? I'm grinding vocab for about a week now. Around 250 words currently.

>>17031339
You should have started a week ago

>>17027636
>>17027729
>>17028523

Found it. After several hours of searching, I found a Jap slang site that translates 4chan speak.

>>17031237
I wish I could devote more time but I just have too much shit to do. (Im studying computer science)

行きたくない買い物なんか

ただ遊びたい

>>17031492
>(Im studying computer science)
haha nerd

>>17031501
r00d

新しいスレを作った前に、面白い手応え顔見せてくれる‼

>>17031557
何のために?

The duolingo incubator said it would be in its beta stage by May, 15 -- guess fucking what, it's now moved to the 18th. That is bullshit! I'm not going to use their course in protest of people who lie to your users! Get fucked!

>>17032205
You should not use it in protest of people who create normalfag-pandering gamified language courses.