/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Girlgamesh is a girl.

>>1697701

Gilgamesh is whatever he feels like at the time.

>>1697697
>Not even I want the people of a city to be killed so brazenly. I look down on the idea of anyone other than me killing a man. Should a man fell another man, oh, let us be grieved with foolish crimes and punishments. There is no amusement in that level of suffering, you understand.

What, did all interest in that thread die?

>>1697697
>Not even I want the people of a city to be killed so brazenly. I look down on the idea of anyone other than me killing a man. Should a man fell another man, oh, let us be grieved with foolish crimes and punishments. There is no amusement in that level of suffering, you understand. In this era, there are too many meaningless and worthless humans. It would be an act of justice to remove them all at once.

Keep the ones we have and change their quotes add Yumemi take Yukari, etc

Again, best translation of Kaguya's quote.

"The ones who have stopped the night... it was YOU, wasn't it?!
This tattered everlasting night that you have made... My Eternity Manipulation will destroy it!
Your spell of Imperishable Night will be shattered...
AND THE DAWN SHALL COME!"

5 STEP BEAT
5 CARD CAST
~11 AM~ ~MIDNIGHT~ ~1 AM~ ~2 AM~ ~MORNING MIST~
~OF THE IMPERISHABLE NIGHT~

Again, best translation of Kaguya's quote.

"The ones who have stopped the night... it was YOU, wasn't it?!
This tattered everlasting night that you have made... My Eternity Manipulation will destroy it!
Your spell of Imperishable Night will be shattered...
AND THE DAWN SHALL COME!"

5 STEP BEAT
5 CARD CAST
~11 PM~ ~MIDNIGHT~ ~1 AM~ ~2 AM~ ~MORNING MIST~
~OF THE IMPERISHABLE NIGHT~

The problem is i can't recall any memorable quote from Gilgamesh, except "mongrels" all the time

Needs all the less Touhou.

Really, do we need Shikieiki Yamaxanadu?
She's not a villain, she's just giving you a lecture. That's like having your high school English teacher be your nemesis.

I KNOW Utsuho has to have a more fierce quote than that.

Yukari is cool, but she can't be necessary. She was defending herself more than anything, since it was R/M/S besieging HER home.

The damn thing don't want to upload. Oh well, here it goes in lower quality.

Still looking for awesome Nitro+ villains. I already have Remi, but she is first in a new row, so I'll post it later.

Gil's quote is placeholder, it will be changed, too. I actually like this one >>1697716

>>1697738
"I am already carrying everything in this world!", etc

Kaguya sucks dont add her

"Fool. The only hero in Heaven and Earth who is a real king is me. The rest are a collection of mongrels."

That is the Gilgamesh -> Iskander conversation in Fate/Zero

Creepier Yukari.

>>1697752
My name is Gore! I am Gore!
You are Gore! We are Gore!
Goregoregoregore!
GORE SCREAMING SHOW!

>>1697743
She may have been defending herself there, but she's often portrayed as the villain behind the scenes.

>>1697743

>I KNOW Utsuho has to have a more fierce quote than that.

"The divine flames that I've absorbed
will burn you to a crisp with nuclear energy and leave nothing behind! "

"And then I'll melt it all away with my atomic fire.
Are you strong enough to bear this skirmish?
Do you have a power that can match nuclear fusion!?"
(Translation modified slightly from THWiki's to be more dramatic, thanks to Rikaichan)

"Each person who could would control fusion energy differently.
What would you do with it if you could steal it away?
The ultimate vehicle? The ultimate weapon?

This Rin quote in SA sounds good:
>If you die around here, you'll burn so hard there won't even be ashes left. If I want your corpse, I'd better take ya down here!

About the anon who wanted a fiercer Utsuho quote, what about this?
>Once I beat you, I'm going to go above
ground to test out this power of mine. Hohoho, that pathetic place will be
reborn as a new Blazing Hell!

This Rin quote in SA sounds good:
>If you die around here, you'll burn so hard there won't even be ashes left. If I want your corpse, I'd better take ya down here!

>>1697812
Badass quote is badass

Seriously, i know is Touhou and all, but Utsuho is fucking awesome

>>1697827

Rin was the hero of SA, though.
She was the one who sent the souls to the surface to alert Reimu/Marisa/their youkai buddies and to ultimately stop Okuu before STARS EVERYWHERE.

>>1697839

She IS basically the only Touhou with explicit malevolent intent and the power to do so.

>>1697849

Though admittedly it was waived as "she's an idiot who decided POWER = CONQUER" instead of her being a badass.

>>1697738
>>1697716 is gilgamesh's

More VNs, more VNs! /jp/ is not touhou in a bottle!

Any other Fate villains come to mind? (I'm still playing through Fate, don't know them yet.)

/jp/ actually has many badass quotes, It's just that most of them are from men and the original chart only depicted touhous.

>>1697882
We did have Souichiro, but it seems that we have enough Type-Moon stuff already. Though I do think that we need to represent Kara no Kyoukai in some way...

So far, we have 7 villains, 3 of which are Type-Moon and 2 are Touhou. We still need a Nitroplus one and around 4 of others. Has anyone played Shikkoku no Sharnoth? Can Munchhauzen or the M considered a villain?

Are you still going to use Wallachia or did you decide to drop him from it?

>>1697931
Find a good quote for him and I'll add him.

>>1697884
Thus proving that men are the source of all things that are badass in this world.

Can anyone find a decent quote for this guy?
>>1696539
By the way, who is he?

I love you guys.

At last, old friend, we meet again. Have you brought me a gift? Your life, perhaps?

>>1697882
Might as well leave it at Gil/Kotomine. Unless you want someone bent up there--I'm too lazy to bother looking through Zouken's quotes, though. Archer works just as well, though, too.

Also, still needs Takano Miyo--fuck /a/ if they don't like it.

>>1697955
If you mean Utsuho "third leg"= man you're so true

>>1697973
Higurashi is /jp/ property.

Everyone who matters agreed. /a/ can go fuck itself.

>>1697973
Quote, please?

Okay, I'm going to sleep for now. Things to do tomorrow:
Add Remi and Takano.
Find a better quote for Gil, if needed.
Find some info about Sharin no Kuni guy.
Decide on Nitroplus villain (Saya, Perla?).

Oh, and I guess I should use my tripcode to avoid shenanigans.

>>1697987
The original counts for every title, so that's fair this way.

>>1697913
So, who was the other Touhou character?

>>1698059
Works for me.

>>1698057

Either Utsuho or Kaguya. Probably Utsuho.

>>1698059
I'm good with this.

I hope you accept my apology. With love from Dedicated Hirano Aya-sama Fan-sama Fan. ♥~Dedicated Hirano Aya-sama Fan

Please don't swear online -_-.
What if my mom saw that she wouldnt let me browse this forum!~Haruhi1994

I-I love you A-Anonymous.~Gensokyo Man

>>1698111
Die.

>>1698059
Now that I think about this, it basically sums up everything about Gil.

He's better than everyone else in existence.

You're all faggots.
Roashiki pays with 1 yen coins. Now that's HARDCORE

Die.~White Ren

>>1698167

>>1698059
It's good, and show in a really good form than he thinks he is a heroe, although he is just a villain
>>1698076
Personally i think Utsuho is one "must". Kaguya, although i don't really like her, is a really good quote and we should think of putting it (in spite this would make three Touhou quotes)

>>1698202
>anime screencap

>>1698167
You bastard!!!

>>1698229
>classy troll face.jpg

>>1698235
I'm tired of you faggots posting anime faces for your reactions.
They are worse than smilies.

>>1698235
Got you covered, braw.

>>1698250

>>1698250

Reimu is Touhou's Marche.

>>1698296
Oh come on, nobody is THAT bad, besides Marche himself.

>>1698296

I would've brought that up, but there are no actual quotes or relevant information in the games; it's more of an outside view and view from all of the "bad guy's" perspectives.

Reimu just backhands them for trying to help themselves.

>>1698059
Do you have more Gilgamesh quotes like this one?

I bring you the true villain of /jp/, the greatest troll ever!

Lake.

>>1698329

Sikieiki is a badguy? There is more then enough canon material on Reimu to compare her to other villains in the series. Like Marche she's a hero who's actions aren't always heroic.

Reimu has no issues with taking things from Youkai and beating them with little more reason then 'it's her job' and has been scolded by the JUDGE OF THE AFTERLIFE for being too keen to bare fangs at anyone who bothers her.

Sikieiki's on of the good guys in Gensokyo. She acts to improve everyone, unfortunately she's too keen on correcting people before they die and gets on peoples nerves, but her heart is in teh right place and it's not like she can lie.

>>1698364
Marche is a girl?

>>1698059
>A hero is someone who carries with them everything they see.
Oh yeah, those bastards think that being on a quest to save the world gives them rights to waltz into everyone's houses and take anything that isn't bolted down.

>>1698371
IT IS THE RIGHT OF PEASANTS TO HAVE WHAT IS THEIRS PROVEN TO REALLY BELONG TO NOBILITY.

>>1698364
>Like Marche
>a hero
>Marche
>hero

Pull the other one, Anon, it's got bells on.

>>1698366

I was referring to Reimu, I just missed the comma so it looked like I was referring to Marche when I said "she's"

Still, I can see why people would get him mixed up.

>>1698386

Same could be said about Reimu sometimes. Though I suppose the main difference is that most of Reimu's actions ultimately have good results, even if her motives are suspect.

>>1698350

Jump in!

>In the end you were the strongest, Zwei. It seems like the deciding factor in the quality of my soldiers is ultimately "motivation". A strong will. Something to protect and indomitable will...it seems as though heroism is not just an illusion you know. My regret is thinking back on it now, I directed your "motivation" in the wrong way. It is quite regretful that you will end as my enemy, Zwei.

>>1698418
shit sucks. give up on having someone from nitro+, they can't make a cool villain to save their lives

Can't you kids leave /jp/ alone and go back to /a/?

>>1698454

>>1698454
You first /a/ expert

Gilgamesh's favorite weapon is the Katamari ball.
It allows him to pick up everything he sees, and be a true hero.

Doned (Marche's crippled brother) willingly helps bring back the real world, Cid willingly helps bring back the real world, Ritz is a whiny faggot who thinks having white hair is a real problem, and Mewt's mother in the dream world is actually a monster that quite literally FEEDS ON FALSE HOPE.

Marche isn't a villain. He IS unsure if what he's doing is right from time to time. People also seem to forget that only Mewt's family exists in the dream world; Marche starts his quest not to help Mewt confronts his fears, but to see his parents again. He doesn't find out Mewt's involved until something like two Totemas in.

Also, /jp/ won't have as awesome quotes as, say, /v/ does because most /jp/-related content are fan translated, with an emphasis on staying as literal to the original text as possible instead of making the dialogue flow better in English. Only a few fan translators actually make the effort to make /jp/ material sensible.

>>1698553
For some reason it seems like translators think it's a crime to translate things sensibly into something that sounds good.
They much prefer translating things directly even if it makes things sound stupid.

>>1698570
Yeah, that really bugs me too. The only group I can think of offhand that actively keeps sensibility in mind is the guys at iitran.

Also, as far as villain quotes go: see panel 3.

>>1698570
To be fair, most translators know shit about writing. And writing is really fucking hard. Coming up with a way to say something that is as creative and has as much impact as it did in the original is not always an easy task.

"Really? You'll chase me? And only me?"

Or whatever the fuck she said in that bad end. Fucking sweet.

>>1699007

If you were going to use one of her quotes, I'd go with the '98% of the world is comprised of shit etc etc' one.

>>1699027
What part was that? It's been a while since I played.

bump

>>1698553

To add on, doesn't it state that Ivalice is just a parallel universe to the one Marche and company were originally from and that Marche wasn't destroying it by trying to get back to his universe?

>>1698296
>Reimu is Touhou's Ranger Smith.
Fixed and you know is true, folks.

>>1699512
No, the Ivalice world is just as real as his "world". Only reason he wants to return to his world is because he is a butthurt moralfag who thinks everyone would be happy going back to the "real" world.

>>1699652
No, he wants to go back because HIS FAMILY DOESN'T EXIST IN THE FANTASY WORLD.

Mewt traded away Marche's parents so he could be a spoiled rich kid with his dead mom. If any of the core cast could be called villains, Mewt/Llednar would be it. (Also, Ivalice survives even after the kids leave.)

>>1699539
HEY, I'M A HAKOOREI PROTECTED YOUKAI
QUIT SHOOTIN' THOSE BULLETS AT ME

>>1699652

That's sort of what I said already, but in a more hostile nature towards Marche.

>>1699709
Yeah. If they had some sort of gimmick like the dream worlds created by the book were actually some sort of malicious weapon designed to keep people from wanting to leave while slowly killing them, or if the world they were in was actually just a dream, and they left sleeping, deteriorating bodies behind in the real world then it might have been different.

But there wasn't really anything to suggest that the new world WASN'T real, and the lives of the kids there were better in every case. Marche was just a moralfag.

Please tell me we're not seriously having a /v/ discussion on /jp/

Please tell me we're not seriously having a /v/ related discussion on /jp/

How can you not have that Perla quote about giving people enemas or whatever? Shit is so cash.

>>1699805
It kind of did do that. Remember the final boss against Mewt's fake mother, and the extra afterstory mission where you fight her again?

>>1699844
I concur, stupids mongrels, we need more /jp/ and less /v/ in here.
Stupid Yukari for breaking borders that should never be broken

>>1699864
I remember that part and the deal to go back to his world was he had to convince all his friends to want to come back with him. When it came time to convince his brother who leads with the impressive argument "I can walk and do magic here. I have nothing back there, you had everything. What are you, high?".

Marche's response? "I didn't have everything. You always got all the attention because you are such an ill cripple and were always in hospital. CAN'T YOU SEE HOW I'VE SUFFERED?"

Somehow, this works...

>>1699864

thatsthejoke.jpg

>>1697752
If you're the guy behind this whole project, I have a small request: could you please upload that Wallachia copypasta? You know, the one you used for his quote.

>>1699709
Who is the Yogi bear of Touhou then?

It's Suika isn't it?

I'm back. Here's the final version of the first line, all we can do here is probably change the pictures, though they seem badass enough for me already.

New line in the next post, we need just three more. If there would be no new ideas about Nitro villain, I'm adding Perla. Also, still waiting for Takano quote and Sharin no Kuni guy.

>>1700064
Yeah, sure, read the next post.

>>1700064
Villainy is not about personal benefit, of wealth or resource. Villainy is about process and result. Villainy, is about anticipation and ensuing climax.

VILLAINY, is like the production of a fine wine.

Heroes are not the end of the villain. Heroes must win, for a while, to advance the process. Heroes, must experience the illusion of momentum before the revelation.

HEROES, require ripening akin to grapes before a harvest.

Despair is not a simple occurrence reached at random. Despair is the sum result of all preparation, the final product of the brilliance of a malevolent mind. Despair, is the true purpose of villainy, the result which requires every nerve and fiber's attendance.

DESPAIR, is like the first sip of a fine wine which you have produced.

As you sip the wine, you feel elated, as you remember CRUSHING them with their own FAULTS, the looks of HORROR and SHOCK upon their faces in the moment of the REALIZATION of their own INFERIORITY, like MASKS upon the stage, SHATTERED, RUINED, DESTROYED!

>>1700813

Fucking god.
WHAT IS WALLACHIA FROM?
I MUST ENJOY THIS

>>1700813
Thanks. I couldn't find my original.

And you even preserved all the capitalization.

what is the name of this, can you guys help me too find it out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshe65EE0So

>>1700802

>Takano quote

"Without a curse, there would be no God. I curse, therefore I am feared. I am feared, therefore I am revered. Now is the time of God's descent! I AM OYASHIRO-SAMA!"
(Feel free to change "Oyashiro-sama" with "The Curse God" or "The Cursed Shrine God" or somesuch. Or just go blank (and therefore most universally-receivable for these quote deals) and just say "God", since that's basically what she means anyway.)

I don't understand why Yuka is even included there. But that's just going to start a shitstorm among the Touhou people of /jp/, so whatever, I guess. To be honest, I'm not even 100% sure why we're making one. Are we just making one because the other boards did?

>>1700863
Because, man, we aren't picking iconic villains, we're just picking people with neat quotes.

>>1700863
>Are we just making one because the other boards did?
That, and the one we had before only had mostly bad Touhou quotes.

>>1700863
I guess we're making one because we already made one, and it consists of Touhous, Touhous and even more Touhous.By the way, Yuka was there, too.

>>1700860
Great, thanks.

>>1700874
Well, I think that is a very silly reason, but I'm sure that doesn't mean very much.

>>1700834
Wallachia is from Melty Blood.

I made that copypasta, and he never says that. But he's completely awesome, so you should download Melty Blood and revel in how much of a thespian jackass Wallachia can be.

Does Touhou even really have an iconic villain?

Just from reading doujins, you'd get the impression that there's no villains at all besides nameless youkai and men. Hell, just from playing the games, there's no real "iconic" villain for the series, just iconic heroine.

>>1700907
Iconic villain?

Yukari. She's been Reimu's ally in the games for a bit, but she always has her own designs.

>>1700907

>Does Touhou even really have an iconic villain?

Reimu. She's at least as evil and genocidal as Luca Blight but for some reason she gets a free pass. I guess it's only wrong to kill humans and heroic dogs, nobody cares about youkai.

>>1700914
See, this is where trouble happens. Yukari is perceived by some to be evil, but there's quite a following that believe her to just be mysterious and devious, but bearing good intentions.

Whatever is on the villain chart is basically from the decision of a very small amount of Touhou fans in /jp/ rather than holding the weight of what the majority of /jp/ers believe is the iconic villain of Touhou.

>>1700938
>Whatever is on the villain chart is basically from the decision of a very small amount of Touhou fans in /jp/ rather than holding the weight of what the majority of /jp/ers believe is the iconic villain of Touhou.

And really, thinking it through, there's not really much of a problem with that I guess.

One more to go. It will probably be someone from Kara no Kyoukai or Norose (at least I can find a quote for him by myself).

>>1697728
Signed; this has always been my favorite touhou quote.

>>1700999
Well, we can add her instead of Utsuho, if you want.

I'll be back in a few hours, until then, comment ahead.

>>1700978
Looks like shit

>>1700813
So i'm not a villain if I take out the begining of what I do, and just kill the would be heroes immediately?

>>1700999
>Kaguya
>/jp/'s iconic villains
Huh?

>>1701040
Refer to:

>>1700907
>>1700938
>>1700871

>>1700978

Better idea.

Michael Roa Valdamjong of Tsukihime:

"The noble wish, the yearning for eternity which everyone seeks yet cannot achieve; this is the absolute power humanity longed for even as they avoided it! Ha...that's it! That's what I wanted! Eight hundred years ago I really HAD seen eternity! The princess of the moon, not fading away even a bit since the moment that I first saw her! I present to you to the spectacle of the burning end of my 18th death, a perfect reincarnation of the Serpent of Akasha! Till we meet again, my love! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

>>1701040
I'm sure that I'm not qualified to influence /jp/'s 'iconic villain', but Kaguya's scene was absolutely amazing.

Whereas many of these quotes display random violence, or absolute ambition, Kaguya's quote has a rare essence of inevitability.

Even while she's declaring her intent, she's already ferociously tearing through time, until she finally heralds in the dawn.

Compared to Utsuho's mundane, overused, and altogether blunt intention, Kaguya is infinitely more awe inspiring.

>>1701129
I suppose that I should mention that I haven't read any of your damned touhou fan crap (despite being a browser of /jp/, I still don't yet hate myself that much), and so I have absolutely no idea how Kaguya is portrayed outside of the games.

>>1701146

>and so I have absolutely no idea how Kaguya is portrayed outside of the games.

Lazy immortal NEET

>>1701129

>Compared to Utsuho's mundane, overused, and altogether blunt intention

Oh come on, I put up Kaguya's quote at >>1697728 and she's my second favorite Touhou, but I still find the quotes at >>1697812 to be goddamn fuckawesome.

(My first favorite is Komachi, not Utsuho, by the way. Utsuho's floating around #6.)

>>1701126

This. Definitely.

And may I suggest an image?

>>1701126

Roa's definitely iconic alright.

"USE YOUR HAIR."

>>1701192

Oh come on, it's so completely overused!
'I'm the strongest, and I'm going to destroy everything.'

Furthermore, I simply can't get past how absolutely ridiculous she is. I was alright with the loli vampires, flower viewing ghosts, and sleeping terrors, but this is my limit.
Utsuho (and her monologue) is, as far as I am concerned, the definitive line between silly and retarded within this already skewed touhou realm. I suppose her quotes could've been worse, but I couldn't imagine granting them any position on a list of 'top quotes' that isn't exhaustive.

Wow, such brilliant discussion taking place in 4chan. I must say I am impressed.

>>1701514

>Oh come on, it's so completely overused!
>'I'm the strongest, and I'm going to destroy everything.'

And that hasn't been used in Touhou at all. It's refreshing to see a classic archetype fitting into the storyline after Reimu's endlessly questionable "victories" over questionable "villains".
Remilia was messing around, Yuyuko was trying to satisfy her curiosity, Kaguya was PROTECTING HERSELF from the Lunar Empire, (Touhou 9 wasn't really a battle at all,) and Kanako was actually trying to HELP Reimu by annexing her shrine and allowing it to get more worshipers and fame.
But no, she goes out and backhands them, taking out any wandering Youkai along the way.
Finally in SA there was a legit malicious threat for the Border Maiden to defend all Gensokyo from, as she's charged with.

>Furthermore, I simply can't get past how absolutely ridiculous she is. I was alright with the loli vampires, flower viewing ghosts, and sleeping terrors, but this is my limit.
>Utsuho (and her monologue) is, as far as I am concerned, the definitive line between silly and retarded within this already skewed touhou realm.

She's mad with power, that's all there is to it. There's no silliness; it's a property of getting what was explicitly described to her as "the nuclear fire of the gods that can burn souls to ash". Ravens may be renowned for their intelligence, but that's only compared to other goddamn birds.
So we get somebody who isn't "misunderstood" or "accidentally or inadvertently harming Gensokyo". We get a direct War on the Surface World with an insane omnicidal creature who can defeat gods and wants to make a Blazing Hell on Earth! What is BAD about this? It's a true villain, with no damned vagueness or excusability!

>>1701546

Well, I like Okuu a little more now.

>>1701546
>>1701565
Same here. Nicely said.

More, more, more!
Needs more bad guys to represent us!
Dammit, why does 90% of /jp/ have to be Type-Moon or Touhou, 5% random Japanese stuff, and 4% Japanese /v/?

>>1701546
Your problem is you want to fit everything into a long deprecated hero-villain dichtonomy. Can't have actual, you know, characters, right? You have to choose someone and point them out as a villain, and then call them "questionable" (well, of course they're questionable as a villain, idiot, they're NOT ONE), and them having actual character and motivation "vagueness" and "excuse". (Actual characters don't need excuse, they have a character. You know, human urges and drives. Having actual character is not vague, having no character at all but some dumb urge to destroy everything around is vague. Get that through your thick skull already.)

I guess it's fine when you just want to fly around shooting things... though it's still pretty disturbing when you need to fight EBIL to feel good about it. But as long as we talk about fiction in general... gee, go fuck yourself and your boring black and white worldview.

Inb4 Saya

>>1701712
>Your problem is you want to fit everything into a long deprecated hero-villain dichtonomy

Not that I demand it fucking universally, merely that I DO WANT THAT ONCE IN A WHILE AND NOT THE SAME "oh I'm doing something that will benefit me and hamper Gensokyo slightly and now Reimu stabs my goddamn face off". It's getting old for Touhou and in Japanese media in general. Tragic heroes and accidental villains are simply BORING.

>Can't have actual, you know, characters, right?

I don't like the concept of dragging a relatively innocent person into what would be a battle to the death.
That is, if Gensokyo even worked that way and not "I shoot at you and then we have tea".

>You have to choose someone and point them out as a villain, and then call them "questionable"

If there's no conflict to a story, what's the point? There is always a villain. Whether they're evil or not depends on the story itself. Sometimes one WANTS an evil villain. Repetition is stagnation.

>and them having actual character and motivation "vagueness" and "excuse". (Actual characters don't need excuse, they have a character. You know, human urges and drives. Having actual character is not vague, having no character at all but some dumb urge to destroy everything around is vague)

Insults aside, it's entirely possible to have villains with character and motivation. It does not mean they have to be perfectly innocent and their actions doing harm unbeknownst to them. It could, instead, be that IT IS THEIR INTENTION FOR ONCE. Their character and desires are the ROOTS for their drive for inflicting the damage that the others cause by accident or by decided necessity.

>I guess it's fine when you just want to fly around shooting things... though it's still pretty disturbing when you need to fight EBIL to feel good about it.

It doesn't feel good to punish an innocent; and if it does, you're a sadist.
Even at that, punishing innocents ALL THE DAMN TIME gets fucking grating and being able to punish a deliberate wrongdoer feels god damned rewarding.

>But as long as we talk about fiction in general... gee, go fuck yourself and your boring black and white worldview.

Random insults contribute to an argument incredibly well, no?
Be cleansed in the divine purging fire, and think no more.

And I'm not even SAYING the accidental "villain" or necessitated Tragic Hero can't be done well!
It can be done incredibly and touchingly!

But it!
GETS!
TIRESOME!

HOW ABOUT I KILL A MAN BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DESTROY THE EARTH, AND NOT HAVE TO SUFFER THE GUILT OF HIM WANTING TO DESTROY THE EARTH SO HE COULD SAVE SOME OTHER DAMNED PLANET!?

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE
TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALES
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
PHANTASIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>1701755
>>1701758
>Tragic heroes and accidental villains are simply BORING.

That's true. They're boring because they're still heroes and villains. Can't we have all "heroes" in their own right for once? And, no, that doesn't stop conflict from happening.

>if Gensokyo even worked that way and not "I shoot at you and then we have tea".

Well, that's the point. Gensokyo works the way that allows us to have all characters on the same (relatively low) moral level and not massacre each other in the process. The conflicts are easy to start and easy to resolve, it's the goddamn basic idea, and it's perfect!

>There is always a villain. Whether they're evil or not depends on the story itself.

No, the evil part is in a very definition and job description of a villain. You're thinking of an antagonist or something.

And no, you don't need an antagonist to have conflict. I mean, of course everyone needs to be an antagonist to each other - you just don't need a story-wide antagonist. What for? To force people to cheer againist them? It's not really working nowadays anyway.

>>1701775
Funny, we hate the same thing for a completely different reason.

>>1701850

>Gensokyo works the way that allows us to have all characters on the same (relatively low) moral level and not massacre each other in the process. The conflicts are easy to start and easy to resolve, it's the goddamn basic idea, and it's perfect!

THAT'S NOT PERFECT AT ALL!
That's boring and repetitive!

>You're thinking of an antagonist or something.

Antagonist and Villain are synonymous in regards to storytelling; at least, for any perspective that isn't Omniscient Third Person.

>You're not "punishing innocents" in Touhou at all. They attack you. You're beating them up in self-defence.

Uh, no? Reimu is universally the offender who hunts them down for doing something to Gensokyo that she does not approve of. They never besieged Hakurei Shrine (except in the PC98 days).

>Of course it's disputable whether, say, Reimu is a well-done protagonist, but she's certainly better than she would be if she were a pure innocent Miko saving the pure innocent human village from evil youkai.

Now this must be dissected in a different post.

Why would you WANT to play her if she's a heartless tyrannical wretch? "Anyone who walks out of line gets the Giko stick"?
It might be interesting if they didn't TRY TO PORTRAY HER AS THE GOOD HERO OF LIGHT AND GOODNESS.
The Shrine Maiden of Paradise never does evil according to her doctrine, so she clearly has to be the best thing Gensokyo is.
Now, ZUN might be setting us all up for some elaborate dramatic face-heel-turn of "Reimu is a tyrannical bitch Touhou 13 stage 6 boss", but it definitely does not seem that way since she's always the goody hero of the day who abuses the relative innocent and enforces an absurd undefeatable law.

FUCK YOU, rayyyymoooooh.

>>1701891
>THAT'S NOT PERFECT AT ALL!
>That's boring and repetitive!

It's perfect if you want both a massive cast of characters and still have them resolve their conflicts with brute force. Otherwise they'd all kill each other off quite fast.

And it's obvious ZUN wants both. And anyways, the point was, it's explicitely, canonically stated that Gensokyo just works that way.

>Antagonist and Villain are synonymous in regards to storytelling

So where do all those villainous protagonists come from?

>Omniscient Third Person.

It's unfortunate we are just that in regards to fiction.

>>1701980

>And anyways, the point was, it's explicitely, canonically stated that Gensokyo just works that way.

And the addition of Utsuho Reiuji of an omnicidal bitch changed that refreshingly. A deliberate malevolent.

>So where do all those villainous protagonists come from?

They're not the villains of their stories?

>It's unfortunate we are just that in regards to fiction.

Which is why we have accidental villains which don't work well and make Reimu a heartless bitch.

>Please note: Reimu would come off as an utterly heartless and detestable if she were a standard protagonist of a "hero fights againist evil monsters" story.

Christ I'm tired.

UTSUHO IS POWERFUL AND MALEVOLENT AND SAYS AWESOME THINGS

SHE STAYS ON THE /jp/ ROSTER 'o VILLAINY

I'm goin' t' bed.

>>1702006
>They're not the villains of their stories?

We operate on a different understanding on the word "villain". Let's not discuss semantics.

>Youkai aren't evil

Which you wouldn't know if they weren't fledged out as characters. They're naturally threatening and violent, for one.

>I simply said Utsuho was a great character for breaking the mold I don't like. Clearly you like the mold, which makes Utsuho a bad character.

Not so much "like the mold" as "don't like the mold that Utsuho comes from".

Utsuho is a boring character because she has basically no character of her own. She's just crazy. To make matters worse, she's supposedly mellowed at the end of the story, which makes her future/actual character completely unknown. A blank card thrown into a world of fanon. This may be the ultimate genius of ZUN, actually, but I still don't like it. Say hello to Gensokyo's new power source.

>>1697738
what about "oh the potion? i gave it to the snake."

>>1700978
I think we need another image of Utsuho.Fortunately there's more than enough to choose now

Okuu > Kaguya in terms of villainy. Definitely.

Also, slap on Roa. He fits the best, and what an amazingly fine fit he is.

>>1702066
I though we have been looking for Badass quotes from villains, not quotes for the best villains

>>1702050

Is this badass enough?

>>1702077

This is for the most iconic /jp/ villains. That said, Roa is the definitive Tsukihime antagonist. Nothing would have come of Tsukihime were it not for his existence, and he is omnipresent throughout the game.

>>1702130
The villain of Tsukihime is Kohaku

>>1702149

Guess who raped Kohaku. Remember? Well, guess who got implanted in fragments within Kohaku because of said rape. It's not hard to imagine. Guess why Kohaku didn't commit suicide right then and there like she had originally planned. With all the implications that SHIKI and Vermillion Akiha brought with them, it's kind of obvious.

The villain of Melty Blood is Neko-Arc

>>1701522
Huh?

Okay, I'm back.

Leave Utsuho be, she's the most powerful and ambitious villain on the list right now. Also, saved a couple of pictures to use.

I guess we can have two more slots for Kaguya (her quote is pretty unique and goes to the list nicely) and Roa (as iconic as it could go).

>>1701638
Hmm, right now, there are:
14 villains in total
14 = 4 Touhous + 10 Visual Novels
10 = 5 Type-Moon + 2 When They Cry + 2 Nitroplus + Goa
5 = 3 Tsukihime + 2 Fate

>>1701728
>She is not evil! щ(ﾟДﾟщ)

well anyone wanna make a chart?

Aaand I'm done. Fixed some minor issues and added the last chars. I consider it the final version; if you don't think so, post your ideas.

Take Kaguya put something more evil.
Even Wriggle is more evil than Kaguya

>>1702463
Hmm, I should've centered some of the text properly. Oh well, it can wait until the next version.

What series are all those villians from?

>>1702520
Gilgamesh - Fate
Nero - Tsukihime
Yuka - Touhou
Gore - Gore Screaming Show
Kirei - Fate
Beatrice - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Roa - Tsukihime
Remilia - Touhou
Perla - Gekkou no Carnevale
Utsuho - Touhou
Takano - Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni
Wallachia - Tsukihime (Melty Blood)
Norose - ChaoS;HEAd
Kaguya - Touhou

>>1702463
FUCK YEAH!
Now we need a version with heroes.

>More specific, please.
What about Kanako?
>A shrine exists to be the home of the gods. I believe now is... Now is the time for you to seriously reconsider the meaning of a shrine!

Alice has some badass quotes.

Mima was more evil then Kaguya >.> and harder danmaku.

>>1702463
Write Kaguya quote in verse:

"The ones who have stopped the night... it was YOU, wasn't it?!
This tattered everlasting night that you have made... My Eternity Manipulation will destroy it!
Your spell of Imperishable Night will be shattered...
AND THE DAWN SHALL COME!"

Also make "will" of Remilia, "shall".

>>1702565
"At last, old friend, we meet again. Have you brought me a gift? Your life, perhaps?"
"Silly shrine maiden, your two-colored powers are a mere

twenty-eight-point-five-seven-one-four percent as powerful as mine! "

"I've come here just
so I can beat you!
For that, I have mastered
all kinds of magic.
It's magic so powerful that
you can't do it without looking.
It's stronger than everything!! "

"Why the stuttering?

If we're going to talk about theoretical bad guys, they should at least look badass, you know?

>>1702463
I think looks very nice. Maybe another picture of Kaguya but it seem fine to me

>>1702615
If you have better or more badass pictures, post ahead.

>>1702585
There's a chance it won't fit that way, but I'll see what I can do.

About Alice and Kanako - the problem is, they can't be considered pure "villains", too, just as Kaguya. So, it all comes to the quote quality, and it's pretty high already.

>>1702701
Okay, let me look in my folder

>>1702731

>>1702735

>>1702740

>>1702743

>>1702747

>>1702735
>>1702740
There is one where she's like "lick my foot". Let me see if I can find it.

>>1702750

>>1702762

>>1702771

>>1702765
This one is awesome, she has a psycho look.

>>1702773

>>1702774
i was turned on by her tits, but then i realized kaguya looks like she would eat my dick, literally...

>>1702783
That was the last one i have, hope you could use one. And thanks for all your work

>>1702740
This looks great, will use this one.

>>1702765
This
>>1702769
>>1702774
Those two are excellent but no background.

Excellent job. Now we can work on heroes.

In before Shirou and UBW.

also lol I forgot I had this quote.

>>1702793

om nom nom nom

>>1702935
From who is this quote.
Also, Shirou is the heroe of /jp/
"People die if their are killed"

Fixed a couple of things, like Kaguya's quote and picture, Remi's quote, and some minor issues.

>>1702809
It doesn't look that great when cropped.

>>1702946
That's Gilgamesh after he fuckowns Berserker in UBW route.

Really though, Shirou's only got a few quotes in the deluge of monologue (although he's some choice monologue pieces, pic related). I'll post up a few.

Could I get the image you used for Warakia, I used to have it but it seems I lost it.

>>1702953
Looks pretty good, thanks Neko

>>1702953
Fuck, Kaguya's picture is higher than it should be. Now I must spend another 10 minutes to upload the updated version.

>>1702970
Sure.

>>1702972
I lol

>>1702978
Much thanks good sir. My day just got a hell of a lot better.

>>1702935
Shiki.
Kyon's personality, with a more ongoing attitude, good humor and a BLOODY MURDER self who appears at random.

>>1702999
Shiki and Shirou kinda automatically qualify. Reimu I think, too. Kyon's property of /a/, though, I thought.

"Eating one's hat, I believe is the custom. And while I would like to rid myself of this ridiculous hat, I'd much rather set it on fire."

>>1703029
We can't forget Marisa here too...
At least this time we will need to put only two Touhou's characters. We need to find some good quotes for Reimu and Marisa though

Someone know a good quote from Shiki (the one from Kara no Kyoukai)?

Also Archer could be put here right, i mean, come on!!! The man become the hero of the earth till the point of weariness!!!

>>1702953
Ah, thanks man for all your work

>>1703068
What about Arcueid?

We need to do another one now, hope could continued it soon

Good night

To be fair, not every selection from other boards is truly villainous, the idea seems more to fill it with character who seemed villainous at the time even if their overall intentions were for the better.

I'll admit, Kaguya when you get down to it didn't really do much. She protected herself from a perceived threat without realising Gensokyo was safe enough as it was without interference. Hell, she wasn't even prepared to kill over it. However she does act villainous at time and has some good quotes to work with.

Others like Suika obviously wouldn't be suitable because Suika never intended any real harm nor is she as malicious as some of the other characters.

Yuyuko would work rather well though, I'd even argue she's more of a threat then Yukari. Yukari's actions have never really threatened Gensokyo and it's clear she makes some effort to protect the place, however mysterious or powerful she may be. Yuyuko didn't know how dangerous her plots were and simply didn't care. She clearly wanted Reimu and the others dead and the entire incident wasn't some accident, she basically did it on a selfish whim to see what would happen and if prolonged would have caused real problems. Even after that she doesn't think anything of trying to poison people she wants to work for her in death.

>>1703126

>To be fair, not every selection from other boards is truly villainous, the idea seems more to fill it with character who seemed villainous at the time even if their overall intentions were for the better.

The original one from /v/ fucking opened up with Luca Blight, Giygas, Ganondorf, and Kefka.
It later built to include Infested Kerrigan and DIABLO.
>WHAT?<
That is like the 6 evilest video game characters I KNOW. Excluding perhaps Giygas, who's simply so insanely powerful his mind borkd. (Giegue when he was still brain thunk good was still genocidal to humans, but only because he was ordered to I guess. He still had emotions.)
It's a villain roster.

By the way, >>1702953 is pretty damn incredible.
I don't even know who Gore is, but the upgrade of his quote with one line of text really made it better from the other versions for some reason.

God damn autosage