/jp/ - Otaku Culture

How do I seduce anki into showing me all of the cards I saw today over again? I just want to take a look at them before going to sleep. Please just let me have sex with you.

がんばってください

What's a good way to get up to speed with science vocabulary? I want to take the EJU in maybe a couple of years. The news is a great way to get political/historical vocabulary, and anime is a good way to get common/everyday vocabulary, but how does one go about getting more technical vocabulary to prepare oneself for, say STEM college lectures?

Anybody know any Japanese professors who teach intro-level classes (chem, bio, physics, etc.) and upload recordings online?

>>16974222
>222
認め致しました

>>16974263
wiki pages?

>>16974263
reading lol

>>16974349
That's honestly not even a bad idea. Don't know why I never thought of that.

>>16974352
As a side note, Japanese wikipedia intentionally avoids certain written Japanese grammatical constructions that are more "formal" and less "technical".

>>16974355
can you give an example?

not doubting you; I just don't understand what you mean

>>16974443
It's like how english wikipedia basically purges "comprised of" on sight.

>>16974555
日本では子供の日
アメリカではタコスの日

>>16974567
why not both

How exactly does あんた differ from あなた? I had thought あんた was what women used but I was reading Jojo part 5 and Giorno, a man, was using あんた. Do I have a wrong understanding or is it indeed the form women use and Araki is just writing Giorno very feminine?

>>16974671
あんた is more casual as indicated by the fact that it's slurred.

>>16974674
So it isn't just for women then? Is it friendlier? He switches to it from お前 after a fight that ends with him and the other guy on good terms.

>>16974680
あなた has a stereotype of girls referring to their boyfriends with it so some people think it has affectionate connotations when it's not contracted. Not sure that's what's going on here, but it's worth knowing.

Is was told there was an anon edit of Genki. Is that what the link is or do I have to download it somewhere?

>>16974680
From most to least polite it generally goes あなた→あんた→お前.
お前 can be considered a more masculine word especially when used to address non-family members, but neither お前 nor あんた is strictly masculine or strictly feminine.

I'm fucking drowning in my reviews.

I'm 4k into core and want to finish it soon with 25 new words per day.
On workdays my retention is poor and reviews stack, on weekends I have to make up for it and it gets better, but it barely leaves me any time to read.

I didn't read in weeks.

I know reading > everything else, people told me to drop core in the past, but I want to finish it cause it might still have a lot of useful vocab in it.

What should I do?

>>16974924
Lower it to 20- new words per day, do your reviews before work, stop treating it like it's a race

>>16974953
I want to learn Japanese in this century though.

>>16974924
Why do you ask what to do if you are already deadset on ignoring it anyways? You already messed up your route severely and are lagging behind everyone with an equal time spent.

>>16975048
>Why do you ask what to do if you are already deadset on ignoring it anyways?
You make it sound as if I'm ignoring everything people say, truth is I just want to find a way where I can finish core.

>You already messed up your route severely and are lagging behind everyone with an equal time spent.
Reading might be more effective, but I'm still convinced that it'll pay off to finish core.

>>16974924
>I know reading > everything else, people told me to drop core in the past, but I want to finish it cause it might still have a lot of useful vocab in it.

>What should I do?

You should drop core and start reading.

>>16975048
>>16975150
Fuck off drones.

>>16975080
There is absolutely no benefit of core over a mining deck. Zero. You learn the exact same words eventually but with mining it's in an order that actually benefits you immediately. You'll have forgotten half the core cards you won't see for months because they aren't being reinforced.

This is completely ignoring the fact that not reading is about the most retarded thing you could possibly do and no, randomly finishing core won't suddenly "pay off". There is nothing at the 6k mark in particular that makes it somehow the ideal spot to stop that you have arbitrarily created in your mind. Your only choice is whether to continue wasting it or actually doing something. Of which you are of course going to pick the former judging by your attitude, hence the "dead set on ignoring". Nothing anyone writes will change your mind, you're just here hoping for someone to reaffirm your ineffective methods. I mostly typed this out for other beginners browsing so they can learn and not end up like you.

>>16974263
I'd imagine these would be a good start.

なぜ

がいこくの

ホモは

マッチョなの

>>16975080
It won't pay off to finish Core. Reading stuff you find enjoyable is a better way of reinforcing vocabulary than mindlessly drilling it.

>>16975224
モダンなホモの過半数は体細長くて派手好みな人だとおもう
キモすぎ

>>16974240
up the review count I guess?

>>16975199
What is actually Japanese? A language consists of many different areas that need individual training. You get better at what you train. I mean it's clear and we both know it, but that graphic doesn't help anyone, doesn't convey useful knowledge and was only created to support the view that RTK is shit (which it admittedly somewhat is). If you want to inform people and keep them from wasting their time with bad learning resources, try making a side to side view of all areas you need expertise in, what you should do to train them and what resources/programs can be useful in attaining proficiency in that particular field of study. If that is not your goal you should stop because those are really useless and just serve to reaffirm biases (whether grounded in reality or not) people have about certain ways of study. As for RTK, I have never used it but I am pretty sure it was created to teach you how to write by breaking each Kanji up into mnemonic pieces which can be combined to make more Kanji, so active reproduction in short. Not to help you remember vocabulary. But I'm sure there are better ways to learn that than RTK.

>>16975306
RTK was constructed to make it easier to remember vocabulary through making you recognize kanji more easily. Not to teach people how to write.

>>16975308
>That having been said, the goal of this book is still to attain native proficiency in writing the Japanese characters and associating their meanings with their forms.
Ok

>>16975316
>Finally, it seems worthwhile to give some brief thought to any ambitions one might have about “mastering” the Japanese writing system. The idea arises from, or at least is supported by, a certain bias about learning that comes from overexposure to schooling: the notion that language is a cluster of skills that can be rationally divided, systematically learned, and certi3ed by testing. The kanji, together with the wider structure of Japanese—and indeed of any language for that matter—resolutely refuse to be mastered in this fashion.

>>16975324
Explain how that statement has anything to do with the topic at hand, also explain how it nulls the DIRECT statement that,
>the goal of this book is [...] to attain native proficiency in writing the Japanese characters
Go ahead.

>>16975330
>constructed to X ... not to teach people how to write
is not contradictory to
>the goal of this book is still to attain native proficiency in writing the Japanese characters

"native proficiency in writing the Japanese characters" is not "how to write", because
>the notion that language is a cluster of skills that can be rationally divided [is wrong]

>>16975343
What he is saying is that you can't learn Kanji (or Japanese for that matter) to any degree of proficiency if all you're doing is learn in a classroom environment, but that is obvious. I hope you're not one of those people that believes you can only learn one thing at a time, so if you're learning from RTK you are automatically not bothering with anything else. That is simply not true. And how can the goal of the book be native proficiency in writing if it doesn't teach writing? That is a contradiction.

>"native proficiency in writing the Japanese characters" is not "how to write", because [irrelevant statement about language learning]
Wrong.

>>16975367
It says you can't master language in divisible parts, then goes on to say that RTK is meant to give you a native proficiency in writing the characters. For what purpose? Because all long it was meant to help people learn japanese in general, through filling in the specific gap of how to write characters. That logic is bad, but that's what its actual logic is.

How to write characters is a single part of how to write, and targeting only a single segment of how to write doesn't target how to write as a whole.

when a response is so obvious that someone types a response up in advance

>>16975369
So you are talking about the skill of writing as a whole? As in what I need to write a book? Is that what we are talking about when we talk about writing? Obviously you also need vocabulary, grammar and cultural knowledge for that but the pure skill of putting lines on the paper is something RTK aims to convey and he directly says so. You are moving the goal post by changing the definition of writing. Now you are basically admitting that he teaches how to write characters, which is what I was talking about all along. If you're this anon >>16975308 , I'll take this as a victory, as he said it was just made to make you recognize vocabulary more easily and not how to write.

>>16975373
It'd only be impressive if he actually addressed what I said. All his post entailed was something he could have included in the previous one, which would have saved me the trouble of writing up another response.

>>16975404
>Now you are basically admitting that he teaches how to write characters, which is what I was talking about all along.
>What is actually Japanese? A language consists of many different areas that need individual training. You get better at what you train. I mean it's clear and we both know it, but that graphic doesn't help anyone, doesn't convey useful knowledge and was only created to support the view that RTK is shit (which it admittedly somewhat is). If you want to inform people and keep them from wasting their time with bad learning resources, try making a side to side view of all areas you need expertise in, what you should do to train them and what resources/programs can be useful in attaining proficiency in that particular field of study. If that is not your goal you should stop because those are really useless and just serve to reaffirm biases (whether grounded in reality or not) people have about certain ways of study. As for RTK, I have never used it but I am pretty sure it was created to teach you how to write by breaking each Kanji up into mnemonic pieces which can be combined to make more Kanji, so active reproduction in short. Not to help you remember vocabulary. But I'm sure there are better ways to learn that than RTK.
ctrl+f character, 0 results
ctfl+f kanji, couple results, not statements about "how to write characters"
good joke

>The aim of this book is to provide the student of Japanese with a simple method for correlating the writing and the meaning of Japanese characters in such a way as to make them both easy to remember.

QED

>>16975417
>>16975324
>>16975316
So basically RTK's intro is literally nonsense.

>>16975410
So
>teach you how to write by breaking each Kanji up into mnemonic pieces
makes you think I wasn't talking about how to write Kanji?
I'll just take that as a confirmation of you being retarded and take my leave now.

>>16975419
No, it makes me think you were talking about how to write kanji. Not how to write. I responded with a tangential argument, just like you did in your first post.

>BASED
これの意味を教えてアノン
4chanでよく見る　良い意味？悪い意味？

>>16975453
My dad brought home literally a truck full of marijuana. My dad is based.

My favorite band released a new album. My favorite band is based.

Bernie Sanders made fun of Donald Trump. Bernie Sanders is based.

>模範的な行動が常に最良の結果を齎す訳では無い事も知っておいた方が善い
完全にdekinai

>>16975460
>イカれてるぜ
>イカしてるぜ
ってことね

>>16975475
>齎す

>>16975479
Sort of.

>>16975475
I feel proud that I knew that that was もたらす even though I've never seen the kanji form of it before, solely through context. 天才すぎるかも、僕は

>>16975453
要するに「かっこいい」って意味だよ

>>16975453
良い意味

>>16974687
The Jojo homoeroticism just increases even more when you read it in Japanese.

>>16975489
つまり神父はホモ

Most common word with 寵 in it?

>>16975612
龍が如く

>>16975612
寵愛 would be my guess

Rikaikun refuses to actually translate shit whenever I switch my PC's locale to Japan to play them VN's. Is there a way to circumvent this?

>>16975644
>kun
Use rikaisama in firefox.
>whenever I switch
Don't do this. Just leave it on it permanently. Rikai functionality is not related to locale anyhow.

>>16975612
I have 寵愛 in my mining deck

>>16975645
>Rikai functionality is not related to locale anyhow.

Maybe I am missing something but in my case it simply stops translating stuff to english and shows only hiragana in the popup windows.

>妹を治す方法は鬼なら知っているかもしれない
Is he saying "If there's a way to cure your sister then maybe the oni will know"? The grammar is kinda confusing me.

>>16975644
Try using https://github.com/xupefei/Locale-Emulator/releases instead of changing your locale.

>>16975652
Try hitting D

>>16975680
The なら does not refer to the cure method since it doesn't stand inside the は topic making your "if" is wrong. It refers to the oni, literally "if it's an oni he might know"

>>16974240
browse, studied today, go through the list

>>16975612
寵姫

>>16975756
that'll do, pig

>>16974240
Why see all cards? Just custom study and review forgotten, build on problem spots.

Is there any iOS app with the same functionality as iVocabulary?

>>16975859
your web browser

>>16975860
Looks like you have no idea what this app is about.

>>16975888
looks like you're a shill

>>16975890
Keep calm, baby.
It's gonna just one kiss. I promise.

>>16975890
ゆーあー

ごーすといんざしぇる

ティラミスが食べたい...げろまで

>>16975959
おしい

>げろるまで

このかたちでつかうよ

でもほんとにあけるのはいくないよ

MSE decided that the vnrhook.dll file from ITHVNR-3.5640.1 was a trojan today.

I told someone I'm learning Japanese and they told me to say something because they want to hear how the language sounds, so I say something simple and they awkwardly laugh and make chinese ching chong noises. Incidentally it's not even the first time this happened. I think I'll never tell anyone I'm learning Japanese again because people just don't get it.

>>16976176
That's because it hooks into process memory.

>>16976176
You don't need MSE.
>>16976184
maybe stop talking to americans

1.5流

ってどういう意味ですか

A few weeks ago I formatted my computer and Anki ended up force closing (so didn't upload). Because of that it said I missed 2 days.

I knew I was on a few monthly streak but mfw had been going to at least a year before that happened.

Feels bad man

>>16976463
If that happened to me I'd have to figure out how to edit the database and fix it. No point learning Japanese without your Anki streak.

>>16976271
一流と二流の間

全体計画の次のステップはなんですか

What's the aedict equivalent of iOS apps?

>>16976463
I wish Anki kept track of streaks instead of % of days studied.

Do you guys do your anki reps in one sitting or spread throughout the day?

>>16976845
I do them all in one sitting wherever possible, as early in the day as I can. My last step for new cards and lapses is half an hour though, so at the end there will be about 10 learning cards left. Those last cards I will save till as late as possible to maximise the spacing effect and double check their integrity.

How can I remove English subtitles when I use the Japanese .srt file? They always stack on top of each other. Is it because it's hard-coded into the video or something? I'm not too savvy when it comes to these things.

>>16976845
One sitting. Only takes about 40 minutes. Then I do another review of forgotten cards before bed which takes less than 10 minutes.

>>16976900
Can't really answer this question without knowing which player you're using and which release you're trying to watch.

>>16976184
Japanese sounds nothing like Chinese.

>>16976918
Sorry, Horriblesubs Boku no Hero Academia with MPC-HC.

>>16976921
You underestimate the ignorance of americans.

>>16975165
They are right, though.

>>16976931
>>16976921
The average retard will mix up Japanese with Chinese, it's not an American thing.

>>16976955
Most americans are average and retarded. Your point is?

>>16976963
That assuming that anon was American makes you as retarded as the people he was talking about.
Your additional generalization helps to reinforce my point.

>>16976977
I don't remember assuming anything. Can you quote that part, please?

>>16976992
Yes

>You underestimate the ignorance of americans.

>>16976890
>>16976900
Do you atleast do the 5 minutes of break each 25 minutes. I'm worriying that I don't have the endurance to learn for 1 hour straight.

>>16976925
In this case it's because it's hardsubbed yeah. You'll have to get another release if you wanna get rid of the subtitles. Or you could give your subs a background by setting Border Style in Subtitles->Default Style to Opaque box

>>16976921
That was really the point of my post.


>>16976977
>>16976997
And you're right, I'm not American and I have honestly never actually talked to an American in my life, didn't care enough to reply to the other anon but now that seems to be a point of contention. I'm eastern european.

>>16977006
Why are you replying to yourself?

>>16977018
Well, not really anon.

>>16977004
Thanks a lot. I'll try this.

>>16976998
I'm supposed to be taking breaks?

>>16976998
I believe in taking a break at the point when you're feeling tired or frustrated, not according to some arbitrary timer.

>>16977006
>That was really the point of my post.
That's really beyond ignorance, though. I could understand mixing up Korean and Japanese, however. From a purely phonetic standpoint, they are similar to me.

>>16977074
that's true, but you might not notice until you are at ~70% capacity and taking breaks would then be more efficient

https://www.rocketlanguages.com/blog/the-15-most-spoken-languages-in-the-world/

I enjoy reading about languages and stumbled upon this article and Japanese had a number that surprised me. Are we really so few?

>>16977206
>(estimated)

>>16977206
How do you think they measure people who learn it in their basement? That's only people who voted on random shit

>>16977206
I imagine that only accounts for people who learn Japanese formally.

>>16977212
>>16977214
>>16977219
Yea you're probably right, but I assumed even basement learners take the JLPT so they have something on their resume. It sucks that I don't know where that estimate is from. It's really not like the majority of learners stay in the hidden forever. Feels like a shame not to know how many people actually speak it as a non native language. If it really is less than a hundred thousand then I'd be stunned.

>地元の知ってる友達とガチでセックス
what's the function of the の with してる? Or is there just an omission after?

>>16977256
How the fuck did you read that as してる?

>>16977256
の can be used to mark the subject (just like が) in relative clauses.
>地元が知ってる友達
>地元の知ってる友達
Same thing.

>>16977280
>Same thing.
No way to know without context. 地元の could be referring to a location.

>>16977256
地元の［(俺が)知ってる友達］とガチでセックス

What's the difference between 方 and 方法? Like when do you use one or another?

>>16977313
So is the のis just modifying the following noun clause (if I interpreted it correctly)?

>>16977389
Read more.

>　どうせ、俺が出来ないとふんで言っているのであろう。
What does the ふんで do here? I think the overall meaning is "She's saying it because I can't do it anyways"

このすずしい夜みんなはどんなほっとなすとおりいを読んでいますか？ぼくは相変わらず何にも読んでいないが

>>16977466
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/ふんという
This might help.

When it comes to learning Japanese (or any other language), do you eventually/gradually stop translating the material in your head and just understand it for what it is?

>>16974447
You know it's literally just one guy who only edits to remove 'comprised of'.

>>16977478
What is the point of asking this when you're never going to learn japanese?

>>16977478
I stopped doing it the second I had the grammatical structure and vocabulary in my head which was a week after I started. This is with sample sentences in Anki of course as I didn't read for real one week in. I have to force myself to translate the sentences into English if I want to compare to the answer card despite understanding the sentence completely (I don't do this most of the time). It may be a trained skill though because I'm already fluent in 3 other languages.

>>16977478
Yes. You can improve the speed that happens at by trying to force yourself to think in japanese, but it will happen naturally over time. Your brain likes efficency, and going from japanese-> english -> understand is way harder than japanese -> understand.

Anki just crashed on the final review and reverted everything.

>>16977645
No, it didn't.

>>16977645
Congrats on getting to review everything again!

>>16977651

It's fucked now because I won't remember which I got wrong or found difficult.

>>16977648

It has done it three times this year.

っつの is supposed to be short for というの, right? If so, is の just explanatory/emphasis?

I don't understand the usage of っつの here anyways; "I told you I saw (you do it)" wouldn't make sense because he's saying it for the first time. Is just used for emphasis in this case and has no real meaning?

>>16977837

Meant っつーの, my bad

>>16977837

Don't over analyse it.

>>16977837
Read Tyler Kim.

>>16977875

I read the entire section about it before posting here.

>>16977837
というの
↓
っていうの
↓
っての
↓
っつーの

>>16977875

How do you actually find anything in that infernal guide?

The custom search is totally useless and never returns a single result.

>>16977898
Did you also read the part where he says that って can be used for pretty much anything, not just quoting things that were previously stated?

>>16977837
It's more like "I'm telling you."
"I'm telling you, I was right here watching..."
Something like that.

>>16977915
Download the PDF.

Is there really an anon edit for Genki?

>>16977523
>3 other languages
Assuming you included English as one of the three, what are the two?
>>16977629
>but it will happen naturally over time
That's good to hear.

>>16978054
There is nothing that autism can't ruin.

>>16977206
(((estimated)))

If you could only learn one kanji in your entire lifetime (but learn that one kanji REALLY well) which one would you choose?

>>16977206
Well it's not like they can easily count all the self-taught weebs that learned so they could play porn games. Most likely that's just formally educated people who learned for their job or because they plan to move to Japan or whatever.

>>16978224
What the fuck is this retarded question? Think twice before posting next time.

>>16978224

What kind of retarded question is this?

The most useful kanji are incredibly simple.

>>16978224

Autism was a mistake.

>>16974924
How many reviews a day do you have? Just curious I did 100 new a day for weeks before it piled up to where I needed a break and thats with full yime school and work.

>>16977206
About 35K people pass N1 every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Language_Proficiency_Test#Applications_and_results

There are certainly millions of people "learning" Japanese, but probably 99% are permabeginners.

>>16978224
Hello, my most favorite kanji is 凸 and my least most favorite kanji is 凹, genki de ne!

>>16977206
Look up the jlpt n1 pass numbers I'm pretty sure that many pass per year and that's not including people who don't take the test

>>16978084
I heard it was good because it removed the romaji. Is this true?

>>16978300
AFAIK the original Genki book removes romaji after chapter 2, so that doesn't really seem like an issue anyway.

>>16978327
Genki 1 or Genki 2?

>>16978376
Genki 1

>>16978224
ha々

>>16977658
This only happened to me once before but I just mash Hard on everything

One fucked up day won't do anything in the long run.

諸行無常

>>16977478
It might be worth continuing to actively think in J->E if you intend to actually do translation/interpretation in the future

I started a translation job after eliminating english from my studies for over a year and I pumped out robotic garbage for days before someone corrected me

>>16978600

anybody got a good hanahira torrent with no translations? Need to practice reading.

スレの一番力強い日本語戦士出ておいで

なにか面白いものを書いてくれたまえ

しないとスレが終わっちゃうぞ

kohhの手で

youtu.be/0k5xkm2LpNI#t=30

Is there any recommended anime to watch without english subs for a beginner?

>>16978735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23MgOzYw8Yg

がｍば

How hard is the Japanese in Grimgar? I'm a Japanese beginner and looking for a light novel series to start out with. I've done core2k and have been working through Tyler Kim.

>>16978681
>not having AB

What IME are you all using?

I'm currently using the Google IME since I heard that one was better than the Windows one.

>>16978808
>google
Good job getting your information mined and sold to third parties.

>>16978783
you should read manga if you're just starting out

>>16978817
You seem paranoid.

>>16978800
help senpai.

>>16978892
There are at least two nyaa mirrors up, you should be able to figure this out yourself.

>>16978892
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4991977

Remember RUtracker. There's very little you can't find.

Is it bad that I get new cards wrong at minimum 4 days in a row?

>>16978968
Set more (and longer) intervals when learning new cards.

>>16978968
All that matters is your long-term retention.

>>16978982
If you tank the ease of each card 80% in the beginning that makes your review workload a lot heavier.

>>16978968
1. Custom study every night of the cards you missed. That's twice the exposure.
2. Try a kanji book.

>>16978968
Suspend them. Unless they matter, then learn them outside of anki. Don't bother messing with your intervals or custom study or kanji, trust me, I had 50% true retention for months no matter what I did until I just started suspending leeches and doing them outside of anki.

>>16979033
>I had 50% true retention for months no matter what I did until I just started suspending leeches
So you were doing poorly until you suspended everything that was causing you trouble? Amazing.

>>16979120
Yes, and now I know japanese.

What's the easiest and most natural way to force yourself to read/write/interact in japanese on a daily basis?

>>16979143
If you need to be forced, just give up.

>>16977466

>　どうせ、俺が出来ないと踏んでいるのであろう。
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E8%B8%8F%E3%82%80%E3%83%BB%E5%B1%A5%E3%82%80-375270
>見当をつける。評価する。

I thought that the writer wrote it wrong.
私は筆者が書き間違えたと踏んでいる。

>>16979145

I'll never give up faggot.

>>16979143
pretty much this >>16979145
you really shouldn't need to learn Japanese unless your reaching the language block everyday, which is true for most here whether it be manga, VN's, or anime. If your not interacting with the language daily I doubt you have the commitment to learn Japanese.

>>16978932
>https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4991977
but it is in english senpai

>>16979207
Then describe why you need to be forced.

>>16975172

I would say one only needs to finish up to 2k before mining. I certainly wouldn't need the word 支給 as a weeb even though core has it

Alright /djt/, how the fuck do I but a kindle book from amazon.co.jp? Sure, I can make an account, but can I take yen out of my American bank account with only dollars somehow? And is the Japanese kindle region locked? Am I on my own here or has anyone else tried this?

>>16979402
I dated a girl like that once. She always turned me down for sex, then complained later that I wasn't forceful enough. Fuck off I'm not going to jail over your forced sex fantasies.

>>16979615
Someone here did this before. If they don't give a response post the same question on /int/, they might be there instead. Good luck.

>>16979145
>>16979211
You guys are idiots, how can you possibly learn anything without forcing yourself? The only things we do naturally are those bodily processes that keep us alive.

>>16979628
Okay thank you. You can only get so far reading manga and VNs, I've always wanted a real textbook in Japanese in PDF or kindle so I can copy paste the kanji.

When can I start reading light novels?

>>16979676
never

>>16979676
Right now. You have our permission.

>>16978743
Thanks anon this is great

>>16979676
permission redacted, >>16979707 is no longer in effect, sorry anon

>>16977478
Yes, it happens naturally with time. And that's the moment when it becomes annoying to watch anything that is hardsubbed as you often stumble with English translations that end up being very wordy and distracting (or wrong) when in your mind you're processing faster the concepts as a whole.

That's why I respect the ones that do live translations, since not only they're processing the concepts but also due to the nature of the languages you need to hear a good chunk an then translate from there.

Is what's going on here supposed to be colloquial for 持つ, 行く, しまう linked together by the means of て?
Meaning something along the lines of "take it", I believe?

>>16979847
Yes.
持っていってしまって
持っていっちゃって
持ってっちゃって
"just take it away from here"

>>16974205
Hi, can anyone translate this for me? I don't trust google/babylon on this specific text. Thank you for understanding.
Text: 夜に聞きたくなる曲ですね。
歌ってる時の顔って面白いのねーしみじみ

>>16978076
Sorry I'm repling so late, I went to sleep after posting. My other two languages are German and Russian.

>>16974205
Ok, I'm confident in Hiragana now, what's next?

>>16980068
Practice Katakana and dabble in Kanji. Or practice grammar. You can read the basics now.

>>16980068
You finished. Now you are 100% fluent.

>>16980076
I'll try some reading and fail then. That is more befitting.

>>16980081
But I don't understand a thing :(

>>16980083
Grammar is very important, reading and pronunciation can go along way. Dabble in easy kanji like 行き（いく）or 私（わたし）

>>16980017
Awesome. Thanks for the reply. Wasn't sure if that was correct or not.

>>16978076
>Assuming you included English as one of the three, what are the two?
Sorry I'm replying so late, I went to sleep after posting. My other two languages are German and Russian.

>>16980115
Thanks, I'll work on it!

>>16980132
You can always become an anki drone.

>>16977478
Yes, English is my second language and I've even started having dreams in English.

You can learn languages truly, you can only learn when you are young is a bit bull feces. It's just that babies spend 12 hours a day working on a language rather than 2 hour a week.

>>16980142
>anki drone
What does this mean? Someone who only works with anki?

>>16979615
You just make an account, add your card, make your address a fake Japanese one (I used this http://www.fakeaddressgenerator.com/World_more/Japan_address_generator)) and go nuts. At least it worked for the 2 manga chapters I bought and cracked. You can have a different address for shipping and your card without problem, it seems to only check the shipping address for region stuff.

What;s a good program and pdf for studying jap?

>>16980175
Are you just asking dumb things over and over again? This isn't your first post in this thread.

>>16980142
>>16980156
is anki a meme or something?

>>16978817
So what IME do you use and if it is Microsoft, you are aware they most likely do the same thing, right?

Are there download links for these visual novels?

https://djtguide.neocities.org/reading%20list.html

>>16980364
The built-in language bar version mines your data?

>>16980403
Visual novels are pretty huge so they were never uploaded. Check nyaa.

>>16980431
>Check nyaa
Anon . . .

>>16980431
What is the URL? I found one link with it on Google and it says it is down.

>>16980435
>>16980439
>>>/g/nyaa
Unless it's a newish hentai ____, it should be there.

>>16980431
>Check nyaa.
It's dead, Jim.

>>16980435
>>16980453

>>>/g/60249331

>>16980452
I went to nyaa.pantsu.cat to find はなひらっ！ from the list. What would I search? The Hiragana?

>>16980474

>>16980510
I assume I want the second one there?

>>16980474
>>16980510
Why do I keep getting "Bad Gateway" messages whenever I try to use the search function?

>>16980524
Nah, the English patched version is better (it's green for a reason).

>>16980474
>>16980524
Would you like the normal wipes or the wet wipes used to clean your shit, sir?

>>16980534
Is it still recommended for beginner readers of Japanese?

>>16980532
Also, why can't I use the search function?

New Japanese learning subreddit opened and it''s perfect for DJT.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapaneseNovice/

>>16980570
Does /jp/ like Reddit? It's strange for me to see a link to a subreddit on 4chan.

>>16980619
No and that's a dumb question. Unless you're have severe autism it should be pretty simple to see that his statement is full of irony and the link merely posted to mock the nonsense that is going on there.

Is おんな the word for girl?

>>16980641
Just stop posting already you clown.

>>16980619
The only time I ever see reddit linked here is in mockery.

>>16980619
Your autism about reddit shouldn't stop you from using it as a resource. Take /r/learnjapanese too, it's full of beginner questions, perfect for DJT as well.

>>16980650
What? It was a serious question.

>>16980657
/r/learnjapanese is full of egoist N3s that think they know enough japanese to help people and they're reinforced by the karma system and the need for other people to be nice to them

at least on 4chan people like that can get scared off

>>16980657
/r/japancirclejerk is infinitely more down to earth than that shit hole

>>16980671
/r/japancirclejerk is an endless repeat of the same style posts by the same people.

It would be fine on 4chan where all the repeated mocking of clueless beginners and "JCEs" would be anonymous and dispersed all over various threads, but centralized on Reddit it quickly becomes cringey.

>>16980690
Yeah JCJ is basically an autoparody ans almost as bad as the things it makes fun of.

>>16980665
>at least on 4chan people like that can get scared off

By N2-kuns?

>>16980690
still reddit, still just as bad. just more self-aware and slightly more tolerable than the rest of the garbage

レジットって何？
食べ物？飲み物？

I just got done talking with a Jap through skype and he taught me how to play hearthstone, outputing in Japanese is so fun after you get used to it. If you're at a semi advanced level I REALLY recommend you find a way to talk to one.
Also I never knew hearthstone had such good seiyuus in it.

>>16980702
Yeah, ones that thankfully don't spread their misunderstandings of japanese, because they subscribe to the delusional "no spoonfeeding" policy that newfags forced on 4chan circa 2009.

>>16980532
>>16980567
So nobody knows why the search function is broken on that website?

>>16980747
It's prime time in japan and they're raping the server. Use nyaarchive for now.

>>16980747
It works, just takes 30 attempts to get through cloudfire.

>>16980854
I started downloading it through the archive as >>16980751 said.

anyone willing to translate this for fun?

>>16981163
No.

>>16981165
>trying to learn japanese
>doesnt want to read japanese
not gonna maig it

>>16981163
Try asking on /int/, that's where all the Japanese professionals linger. We are just learners here.

>>16981169
I know japanese. I don't need your "practice".

湯気　陽気

I'm going too fast during reps and always mess these up

>>16981170
>Japanese professionals
>/int/

>>16981191
暢気

>>16981163
Doesn't look very fun. I'm gonna watch anime instead.

Difference between a 博覧会 and a 展覧会?

>>16981430
Google image search gives a pretty clear picture.

is this the right kanji for "cave'?

I am relying on Jisho.org for kanji lookup.

>>16981510
Would this say "Cave Home"?

>>16981510
>>16981519
No, no.

>>16981522
What am I doing wrong?

>>16981526
Not learning Japanese.

>>16981527
Huh?

>>16981510
穴 does show cave on rikai, but guess not.
Try 窟 or 洞.

>>16981534
You have absolutely no understanding of how Japanese works.

>>16981510
I can't help but think of butts when I see 穴.

>>16981522
>>16981527
>>16981538
Stop replying to this retard. It's not your first posts either so you can probably see for yourself that he has been shitting the thread up for hours.

俺さ彼女いない歴＝年齢のDTだけど最近セックスする価値ってそもそもあるのかを考え始めたのよね
これは悟りか、それとも末期の症状なのかわかりやしねえ

What's the literal interpretation of 滅相もない? I can't tell if the translations on jisho and edict for 滅相 have flipped the polarity or not, and kenkyuusha just gives translations for phrases.

>>16981657
Second definition on Goo.

>>16981662
Damn, I guess I really ought to brush up on buddhist lore a bit

>>16977912
>みてたっつーの
>見ていた から/ので（外にはだれもいないことを知っています）

の略なんだっつーの

Is anyone else staggered by the speed non-basement learners learn? I mean when someone says they learned a couple hundred Kanji in three years, or their goal is "JLPT N2" in 3 years I'm just staggered. Do these people just not know how to study or are they lazy? These kind of testimonies are extremely common all over the internet and nobody seems to bat an eye as if it's normal to be so slow.

>>16982182
I'm more staggered by you posting this here. Just focus on yourself and ignore others that affect you in no way. Or if you really need to blog about something unrelated to Japanese media go on /int/.

>>16982182
their goal is to 'learn japanese' not 'read x/y and play x/y'
they dont affect me so i dont care at all about them

Just tried all buttons, I can't type ー with my QWERTZ keyboard.
Any ideas how to fix this?

>>16982194
You're not wrong, but it's all fun and we can't be learning 24//7. I (and I think most people) find it interesting to compare myself to others. You should really take it easy, nobody posted for over one hour so it's not like there is any harm in making an exclamation about learning speed.

>>16982222
There is nothing wrong with slow threads unless you're a crossboarder used to threads filling up within hours. Even ignoring the fact that the post is off-topic, it's also simply boring and has already been talked about hundreds of times before. It gets tedious.

>>16982182
They don't have Anki autism.

>>16982263
It's funny you cry about crossboarders on a thread that is only here because mods purged it from the board it was on originally. There is nothing wrong with slow threads but it follows that it's also alright to post things that are only tangentially related, otherwise you could purge half the posts in here including every mention of Anki. Sorry about not pleasing you with my post I suppose, though that was also hardly my intention.

>>16982182
Everybody's circumstances are different of course, but I think generally it's not that they're slow, it's just that massive consumption of native content (perhaps also supplemented by anki) is such a powerful tool it makes everything else seem slow, almost to the point of being futile.

>>16982182
ゆっくりとするのは何が悪いの？
貴様の方がただどうしても他人の奇行を見逃せない糞体質。

>>16982279
It was purged because one stupid mod wanted to push his retarded agenda.

>>16982310
あの傲慢なＮ２くんじゃないけど、投稿させてもらう。

>奇行
ゆっくりした勉強の仕方を「奇行」と言えないだろう。

What's does the か do here?
>「獲れる」とさも何物をか取ったようにいった。

I'm trying to create a reversed version of an existing deck in Anki, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do it.

I exported the deck and imported it into a new profile, then renamed the deck, renamed the notes, and switched the fronts and backs of the cards around, then exported it, but when I try to import this new deck back into my original profile Anki detects all the notes as duplicates and I wind up with an empty deck.

Anyone know what the proper way to do this is?

>>16982329
ya sure you don't havew を and か reversed there pal?

>>16982334
Anki cards have a template format. Just edit that.

>>16982347
I want to keep the current version of the deck as it is and have a separate deck with the cards reversed. I intend to keep studying with the current version, so flipping the cards on that deck isn't a solution.

>>16982344
Yes. It's a printed book, so it could possibly be a typo, but I'm not sure. Also I have a vague sense that I've seen the construction before, but I'm not too sure about that.

>>16982368
Anki supports using multiple card templates for the same notes. Anki generates cards with templates and notes. Those generated cards are what have scheduling information, so there's no problem doing that.

>>16982376
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood your previous post. But would I be able to separate my reviews that way?

I only want to review one type of card at a time, but this method seems like it would force me to review both types at once.

>>16982391
That is indeed an issue.

You can work around anki remembering the identity of the exported deck by making a new deck and importing the data from a text file instead of from an apkg. The issue is the text file must be sorted in the same way as the original shared deck, and you can only do this if you export it to text from a fresh profile, or at least, this /used/ to be the only way to get such a text file.

What's the deal with Kanji like 右　左　有
How am I supposed to know which stroke to make first, the diagonal or the horizontal one?

>>16982329
Exactly what you think it does.

>>16982203
The - key (between 0 and =). ーー

Depending on the text box it might show up as a straight line though (like google translate's).

>>16982415
Exporting it as text (notes) worked. Thanks.

>>16982391
You should be able to move all cards of a certain type to a new deck within anki.
Do the new template stuff, then select all those cards and move.

>>16982541
Oh, just tried that out of curiosity and that works too.

>>16982442
The first three strokes are always written in alternating directions.

>>16982442
End result is all that matters. Write them in whatever order.

>>16979847
>>16980017
It's not a command. She says they're thinking of giving their old TV to Yotsuba's family and the other girl adds "because keeping it (もってっちゃって) is a bother"
A command with てしまう is odd

>>16982442
Well for the first two it's easy.
右 is right, I start with the obvious stroke on right (the diagonal one).
左 is left, so I start with the one on the left.

Still working on 有... In the end it's more a question of feeling. You'll get it eventually, keep practising.

>>16982321
その人の中にある普通の行動、常識
それの外にあるものはすべて奇行だから正確な使い方だよ。

>>16982924
Where does the 行く come from then?
If it was just もってしまって it would be もってちゃって

残念ながらこの携帯のキーボードには英語しかいないのでローマ字だけ書けました。

Should I add で after だけ or is it okay as is? Any other errors I should be aware of?

>>16983254
I mean if it was just もっていてしまって

>>16983261
英語しかない
ローマ字で書けました

>>16983261
英語しかない
ローマ字だけで書けました

>>16982924
Also:
>A command with てしまう is odd

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/100617/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%97%E3%81%BE%E3%81%86/
>その動作・行為が完了する、すっかりその状態になる意を表す。「早く食べて―・いなさい」
>「早く食べてしまいなさい」
This dictionary must be written by a non-native or something then.

>>16983294
>>16983298
>書きました。

>>16983261
残念ながらこの携帯のキーボードにはローマ字しかないのでローマ字（だけ）で書きました。

>>16983315
"was only able to type in romaji"

>>16982182
Anon who took Japanese classes here.
First, when you take group classes, you follow the pace of the group, not your own pace.
Second, when you take classes, it's kind of assumed that you don't study at home. So, if you take 2 hour classes twice a week, for example, like I did, you only study 4 hours a week. At the pace of the group.
Third, some lack the drive to study Japanese in the long term (which is why many quit after the introductory levels).
When I started studying on my own while still taking classes, my level rocketed. I was the only one who passed the exam in a group of 7, I knew the kyouiku kanji after a few months of study (while only 160 or 240 were required at the time), and I could discuss its use and applications when vocab would come up.
What I miss, though, is the grammar study. It's difficult for me to study grammar.
Even now, some years after classes, I still use the days of the month song in order to remember them (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDhkNFx0xlA).).
It's also great to meet other people who also like to learn the language, if you're into that.
This is just my two cents, maybe someone else has a different experience.

>>16983332
強調したいなら「だけで」にしても良い。
>ローマ字（英語）しかない
と先に書いているので「だけ」を使わなくても同じ意味で伝わる。

I can't type long vowels for the life of me. It's converting into everything except the correct long vowel symbol. I'm using Google IME if that matters, anyone know what I have to do?

I can't read. I've read both genki and tae kim and I just don't understand Japanese grammar.

>>16983534
Read more.

>>16983534
Accept that you can't learn japanese and move on.

>>16983534
Read Japanese the Manga Way
Watch Visualizing Japanese Grammar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc_UVpFayaw

>Can read a chapter of yotsubato in like 15 minutes now

Holy shit, I'm almost done the first volume. What should I read next, anons?

>>16983637
Yotsuba volume 2.

>>16983637
The second volume.

>>16983637
Anything that isn't the second volume.

>>16983641
>>16983644
I'll probably pick it up. Any suggestions for more reading material about that level?

>>16983648
What would you suggest, anon?

>>16983656
sukasuka

>>16983662
>sukasuka
This?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%ABmatsu_Nani_Shitemasu_ka%3F_Isogashii_Desu_ka%3F_Sukutte_Moratte_Ii_Desu_ka%3F

>>16983656
Any shounen or shoujo manga you might be interested in. It will be a bit more difficult, but that's the point.

>>16983689
Well I always liked Card Captor Sakura. Maybe I should give that a read. I'm a little nervous without the reading pack, though

>>16983724
Maybe you can create your own reading pack and share.
There are no reading packs in real life, anon!

>>16983637
Fortune cookies

>>16983679
That's the one. It has won /jp/'s very own "untranslated light novel of the year" award multiple times.

>あなたは私達と探し物を一緒に探す気ですか
>さぁな、俺はその気なんぞないが……どうも霧がな……

what does that どうもnameがな mean?

>>16983859
>俺はその気なんぞないが
I do not have such an intention, but
>どうも
no matter what,
>霧がな
霧... (does/might have such an intention)

>>16982924
Guy who posted the original question here.
So, if that's the case is it that it's 持つ,　いる、 and しまう？The いる indicating that it's a continuing action?
Sorry if that's a stupid question, just trying to understand this.

>>16983544
>Visualizing Japanese Grammar

Holy shit where has this been all my life? Not sure if it's because it's supplementary material at this point but I'm understanding the concepts in these videos a lot more than I did when reading through Tae Kim.

Is this how I would write it in Japanese?

>>16983679
isn't this pretty tough? I don't think someone who can only read Yotsuba can do this

>>16984131
By modern grammar rules it's ちゅ not　ちゆ

>>16983679
>終末

I thought it was 週末. I thought the title was like "What are you doing on the weekend?" so I was never interested.

>>16984201
Those don't even look similar.

>>16984209
I only saw the romaji name before.

>>16982442
As a general rule the horizontal strokes go first then the vertical ones. Remember that and think of the other ones as just exceptions. Things like: 右、成、感、布、有、波、皮、歳、臓、怖, etc. are exceptions to this rule for example.

>>16984201
Isn't it supposed to be a pun?

>>16984182
Is this because the small ゃ changes the sound of ち? What is the new sound it makes?

Also, isn't ウ a 'u' and not a 'ya'?

How many new words are you doing a day?

>>16984613
Kept it at 20 since I started. I'll be finished with Core 6k next April.

Japanese the manga way is such a dumb title.
It made me think it was just going to be weeb garbage but it's actually very comprehensive and well organized.
Never judge a textbook by it's title

>>16984660

It's a very good book. I thought it was gonna be like a "learn Japanese while you watch cute girls doing cute things" sort of thing. I was wrong, but the book ended up being good either way.

>>16984660
>weeb garbage
whats that

>>16984613
10

>>16984902
おまえのすきなアニメ

>>16984941
you thought Japanese the manga way was anime i like?

I started reading Tae Kim but the problem I have is I can't be sure that I'm reading hiragana properly. How does one check the pronunciation of words written in hiragana?

Even if you don't compliment artists this is a nice and simple info graphic.

>>16985027
Unlike the retardation that is the English language where you don't know how a lot of things should sound in Japanese you have it easy, just learn how they sound once, then repeat those sounds in the word you're reading and voila.

>>16985028
No, it's actually quite worthless.

>>16985027
Hover over it with Rikaisama and hit F

>>16985027
Study hiragana?

Do you listen to anything while studying? What kind of music?
I'm finding out that listening to rap while studying is not very productive, at least, and that sometimes I find myself pausing whatever I'm listening to in order to remember stuff.

>>16985086
Maybe don't listen to garbage mainstream generic bland trash music.

>>16974924
if Anyone can answer
What do they suggest you replace core with?

>>16985086
if it's nighttime, classics

otherwise nothing.

what the fuck

>>16985147
Dumb phoneposter.

>>16985147
Looks like Japanese to me

>お客様は、どのようなお楽しみを求めておられますか？」

This is a servant speaking (a robot if you must know), so why is it that they seem to be using the humble おる for お客様's actions? Have I got who is doing what mixed up somehow?

>>16985111
Your mining deck

>>16985214
I'm not sure what you mean but the humble speech is for oneself, the humbleness doesn't get transferred onto the other person or whatever you were thinking.

>>16985214
Why is it in passive form?

>>16985147
https://my.mixtape.moe/gogvry.webm

>>16985086
Listen to Japanese bands for double the dose.

>>16985259

So you just conjugate to negative twice? Why didn't my synagogue visit with kike kim teach me this?

>>16985262

What's the best place to find Japanese music?

>>16985296
Nyaa

>>16985296
amazon.co.jp

>>16985214
おる is the humble form of いる, while いらっしゃる is the honorific form.
But conjugating a verb into the passive form is also a form of honorific speech.
おられる is sometimes used for いる in honorific speech these days but it's technically incorrect and some Japanese will say it sounds weird.
https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/2061738.html
https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/summary/kotoba/term/012.html
https://careerpark.jp/53542

>>16985232
I really don't know. It seems like it ought to be that the servant is asking what amusement is being desired from it, but I'm sure は is supposed to mark the object in passive sentences and right now it points to お客様

>>16985302
2soon

>>16985306
なるほど. I hope it doesn't catch on, a verb that is both humble and honorific at the same time just seems too dumb to be allowed to exist.

>>16985302
RIPとは日本語でどう言えばいいでしょうか

>>16985397
>"求めておられます"
> 935,000 results
I think it's too late.

>>16985431
冥福を祈りますぜ

>>16983931
I think the original answer I gave you (>>16980017) was correct.
The line is an inverted sentence. I interpret it like this:
>邪魔だから、持っていってしまって[下さい]
The other poster seems to be interpreting it as non-inverted, as in something like this:
>[私たちが] 持っては邪魔だから
But I don't think that's correct, because 持ってっちゃう is definitely 持って行ってしまう.
If she meant 持っては it would be 持っちゃ. Even if she meant 持ってしまっては, it would be 持っちゃっては. (Or maybe 持っちゃっちゃ?)
And if the first supplementary verb were いる instead of 行く it would be 持ってちゃう, not 持ってっちゃう.

>>16985659
Alright, cool.
I was pretty sure it wasn't いる being used as the supplementary verb due to the small つ being present.
I appreciate the input.

>そんなことして苦しくない = Isn't it painful to do such a thing

How did they get "to do" out of that? Does て form translate to the infinitive form sometimes or something? This isn't mentioned in Tyler Kim or DoJG

>>16985861
して

Fuck you all faggot. Reading doesn't teach me vocab at all.

I'm gonna finish Core6k first.

>>16985896

I meant "how did they get 'to do' out of して”

て form doesn't translate to infinitive form like this, does it? If it does then why doesn't TK or DoJG mention that?

>>16985919
Stop translating it to english and learn japanese, retard.

>>16984613
25, but I need reviewing every single card everyday, currently averaging 600 reviews/day. Why did it have to end up like this.

>>16985919
>て form doesn't translate to infinitive form like this, does it?
It actually does.

>If it does then why doesn't TK or DoJG mention that?
Because English natives and Japanese natives alike don't understand the "real" meaning of the word "infinitive". For example, a legitimate academic reference grammar calls the dictionary form of japanese verbs the "infinitive", just because they thought "infinitive" meant "dictionary form".

>>16985919
Did you try reading the example sentences and notes in DoJG? It should be enough to understand the sentence regardless of whether some grammar jargon applies.
>When the て form links two predicates, the relationship between the two is often one of the following: [...]
>(C) A1 is the reason for or the cause of A2, as in Key Sentence (3), Examples (b), (d), (e) and (g). (This usage of the て form is very common.)

>>16976184
Most people are monolingual plebs.

Where can I learn more/learn the "rules" of how certain kanji readings change slightly depending on the position in a word?

By which I mean, things like 本 (ほん) being read as (ぼん), or 桜 being pronounced with a z in something like 千本桜.

>>16986551
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%A3%E6%BF%81

Sakubi - Yesterday's Grammar Guide copy editing phase.txt

https://a.safe.moe/VUyOX.txt

I just rewrote like 1/5th of the lines in the first section. Second section is next, then it's "done".