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Question: how much do you have to grind to finish Act 1? I enjoy the game so far, but I'm lvl 35 and got murdered on Lesimas 33 by some invisible monster throwing pots and spells at me. Do I need to bother with main quest at all?

>>16982717
People have definitely beaten act one at lower levels then you are at before, but it varies based on your gear and playstyle.

No matter what, invisible enemies will not become any easier until you either get a piece of equipment that let's you see invisible creatures or get a way to wet everything around you (such as a rod of bubble ball or alchemical rain special action).

>>16982795
My gear doesn't allow me to take more than a few hits, and pets go down fast when facing strong monsters. I play wizard.

>>16982824
Ah, honestly I'd say just go around raising your skill levels/the main spells you use and find some decent equipment with resists first. Also do the same for your pets if you can, since things seem to get exponentially easier the more pets you have even if they are mediocre.

I decimated Zeome at level 30 as a long sword melee build with 4 pets.

But really unless you want to have better access to herb seeds with the Kuromi statue, there isn't a reason to rush to act 2. Just go around doing whatever you want and enjoy the game.

>>16982878
I'll do just that then, thank you.

>>16982717
You can probably beat Act 1 as you are, even when some monsters can still kill you (I think a halloween nightmare throwing a high damage potion can kill even higher level characters).

Remember to enchant you and your pets gear (say up to +3). I always stay on the lookout for gear of [element] or defender, got some of my best pieces from pets crafting it overnight and trading with adventurers.

>>16982973
Problem is, I haven't found any good gear except for boss weapons and some glass armor (and that one material that's like glass). I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

Just spam ball spells for invisible creatures. Wizards have it easy when it comes to them. You don't have to see them if you just destroy everything within a radius of you.

>>16983035
Shiet no wonder you're getting smashed man, you need to invest in magic vendors so that they start stocking scrolls of change material/superior material. Bless a stack of scrolls after gathering a bunch, and then use them to change your gear to e.g. rubynus/diamond/adamantite. Glass gear makes you a little faster but leaves you as brittle as, well, glass.

Get water bottles from trading medals to the workshop

>>16983071
Problem is, 2 casts from that invisibo and my wizard's a history unless I spam healing rods.
>>16983081
I'll try that, thanks.

Coming from 1.53, this magic practice stuff is absolutely absurd. Level up my buffs without spending 10 minutes draining my MP reserves? Grind Meteor without smashing my own face in with rocks from outer space? All for the meager price of 3 shiny plats? Hell fucking yeah, let's kill these spell potentials!

Was the speed cap on Leold always 800? I thought it was higher than that and I didn't see anything about it on the changelogs.

Can you change the name of your class after character creation? So you can start as one class, and then change later on. I know business cards are a thing, but I don't know how that would work.

>>16984149
When you change your class name with a business card to an existing class (lowercase only for some reason), you actually get the appropriate class feat, replacing your previous one. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Class_feats_(Elona%2B) I often get a card when getting a lot of wins playing blackjack on a lucky day.

Finding special inn meal that raises growth for almost everything + dumbell of Opatos + training machine to be on par with eating herbs while a hungry host nibbles on you. At least that's how it is for attributes really high level where everything takes awhile to level. Wonder how good special inn meal + training machine is in early game where it's easy to level up multiple attributes at the same time.

>>16983996
Definitely a powerful feature but gets incredibly expensive later on. The exp you get towards your spells is fixed but the learning attribute does help a bit in the final total of exp you get. Each session will cap out at 10 platinum however it will eventually take multiple sessions to level up spells since spell levels will demand more exp to level. I probably dump at least 600 platinum just to level spells from 400 potential until I drill down to around 200. I still use the service when I get the platinum for it because it's fast, levels up a bunch of spells, and helps level up attributes. If I don't have the platinum leveling it the old fashion way works well. The challenge is just keeping potential at a decent level.

>>16984100
500 AP speed cap for South Tyris and 800 for Lost Irva. Don't recall it ever being different from that.

Can someone tell me about herb in food? Is it efficient?

>>16985108
Coincidentally I just tried it for the first time, getting an entire log full of pet stat increases (including speed and sometimes multiple increases per stat) is so satisfying. But it took a while to get cooking high enough to do it.

>>16981814
Does anyone know how to the exact sprite number for each npc? I know how to find the numbers on the character sheet but, how do I search the names of each of the npcs? The wiki does not have every number.

>>16986272
You do it by simple counting. Open character.bmp inside /graphic folder and count. That first black space is 0.

>>16986409
That's what I said I already know how to do. I meant the name of the npc for each number.
Example: Little girl, sprite number 4

>>16986272
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SiamJai/Tutorial:_get_sprites_out_of_Elona_easily!

Download the grid and the sprite numbers, line them up in photoshop and there you go

>>16986417
Yeah, that's why I deleted my post. Embarassing.

>>16986420
This doesn't help me finding the npc name

Do you think Ano is going to lift the 2000 limiter on stats and skills and 20 million HP and add an Act IV where numbers go REALLY crazy?

>>16986449
If if took them like 5 years and act III is still not done, how long would it take for act IV?

>>16987333
Doesn't matter because we would have to play for 15 years to grind the stats for REALLY crazy numbers. It would be the Namek Continent.

>Collect jewelry since the start of the game
>Finally convert to Yacatect after getting Lulwy's last reward
>Sacrifice hundreds of rings and necklaces in a row, requiring several trips to the storage house

Is there any solution to the seemingly permanent dim effect in awakened dungeons? This shit is practically unplayable.

>>16987333
Around the same time Dwarf Fortress is finished.

>>16986272
Anyone?

>>16990217
Sorry m8, no idea. Just out of curiosity what were you going to do with them? Are you trying to identify some mystery NPCs?

>>16986449
It will be awhile before beings that justify raising the cap will show up at the rate Act 3 is progressing. I'm guessing that chaos god that the other gods don't like would constitute such a situation. I imagine if they have difficulty dealing with the chaos god then its attributes and skill levels are higher than the inner gods 2000 attributes and 1000ish skill levels. Or perhaps another threat such as a renegade inner god or some other menace will come along that will justify raising the cap.

>>16989157
It's been awhile since I've done awakened dungeons but is dim a floor hazard now? Only remember gravity, poison, time, and discharge being floor hazards. I really should start doing them again as there's something that only my pet Akeno with her bitflags can test for me concerning Nefia cores.

At any rate, enemies having an easier time dimming the player is a normal feature of higher level monsters. Since awakened dungeons and the void scale monsters, dim becomes a big problem. You don't need to be a Golem to avoid dim. You just need enough sound resist to avoid it. As enemies get stronger you will need more sound resist to keep up.

After a certain point, the normal way to measure resists, weak,normal, superb, etc, doesn't cut it and you need to measure resists in class. Even though all my resists are shown as superb they certainly are not equal as shown with the object of heart. I've been immune to dim for a very long time with a sound resist of class 20. I'm not a Golem but just a Eulderna. So you may want to aim for a sound resist class of 20 or some other number if you're not a Golem. I got to this resist class through artifact fusion so you may want to look into that or at the very least, start paying attention to gear with sound resist and start stacking even more of it.

>>16990371
Yea, basically. I have the tieba graphics pack and I want to place sprites that are fitting compared to the original. The wiki does not say the sprite number for all of them but they must have got some of them through some method.

>>16990448
Alright, thank you for the informative response. I fused some murder cds into my gear but it still seems to happen. It's not when the monsters attack me, but rather when I attack them. Once, in an awakened dungeon of level 240ish, I used swarm during timestop surrounded by 6 or 7 enemies and instantly got the status effect "Unconscious" and died. Apparently Dim goes in stages of Dim -> Muddled -> Unconscious. It seems from standpoint to depend on how many times you attack per turn.

Every single awakened dungeon is like this regardless of floor hazards, and it happens no where else (not even the void). I spend virtually every moment of every battle in every awakened dungeon with the Dim status effect.

>>16990933
Ran a couple of lv 400-600 awakened dungeons. Dim doesn't appear to be a floor hazard. For a couple of dungeons, I ran without having any armor on and sure enough I was getting dimmed from enemies. Like the shoebill in the top left picture would claw at me and cause dim anytime it wasn't applied. Put on my armor and he couldn't dim me which is the picture to the right. There are enemies that can dim you on attacking them. In the dungeons I did, I found that the hungry sea lion, dead eye dragon, and mithril golem caused me dim on touching them. Got a picture of the mithril golem doing it in the bottom left. Again, after putting on my equipment I was immune to dim. Not pictured is where I only put on the equipment with sound resist and sure enough I wasn't getting dimmed after that.

Aside from enemies that can dim you with its attack, my only guess about why when you touch certain enemies they can dim you as well is that they too might have that AP trait of charm or something like that.

>>16981814
How to you use EloSnack. Im doing what the readme says but I just have a black screen

>>16991660
pls don't bully shoebill

>>16991872

Those things look creepy. They should be eradicated.

>>16989157
Aren't awakened dungeons supposed to be super hard? Getting the appropriate resists is probably a requirement.

>>16990576
Please consider adding your findings to the wiki later.

>>16991670
Did you get the updated files for E+? I'm pretty sure people still use EloSnack so it should work somehow.

>>16991872
Well at least shoebill didn't get killed despite the fact that he was giving me that withering glare. Since the boss of the dungeon was already dead I just returned home.

>>16981814
Updated pastebins with current downloads and the new younger sister pack.

>>16992010
>new younger sister pack.
If you've added new sprites for them, why not post in thread?
I'm not interested in using the mod myself as I'm already doing my own thing, but I do like seeing the sprites.

>>16992049
Ask the imouto guy when he posts again.

I haven't played in in 2 years since ~v1.45. I've forgetten all my hotkeys and weeb grind methodology. I have a level 50 character with a bunch of skills ~20-60 and reading all these patch notes.

Is it to create a new character to relearn or are there things I can fuck up in my old save? I used to remember that leveling to high was a death sentance because enemies or bosses scaled like mad... is this still true?

>>16992439
Old save should work. No such thing as leveling your character too high. Might be thinking of making your dungeons too high level that it becomes hard to do them but that can be fixed with the oblivion palace.

>>16992565
>oblivion palace
must be new, I'll look into it. Thanks.
Is there still time limitations on some quests or can I take centuries worth of time at my own pace?

>>16992566
Think some job board quests are still timed as in you need to complete them within a couple of days. Other quests including the main quest isn't timed so you can take your time with that.

>>16992439
If you're using an old save from a previous version and are updating to a new version make sure you save in town before doing an update. Do not do an update from a dungeon or you run the risk of corrupting your save.

Is there a way to borderless full screen Elona+? full screen has nasty delays when alt tabbing and windowed mode is fucking tiny on a 1200p monitor.

>>16992639
All you can do is just play with the dimensions in the options for display and use the one that works for you. The game didn't seem to plan for the monitors of today.

>>16992010
Thanks

>>16992639
Are you on Win10 and disabled the display scaling? Earlier versions of Win10 used to have some nasty blurry with the scaling, but they seem to have updated the algorithm it to be less shit.

>>16993180
The window is locked at a fixed resolution. It doesn't scale at all because it can't be resized.

>>16992439
I was like this guy a couple weeks ago. Old save was the same version, even. But I've long since gotten addicted to this game again. We can never escape it.



help

>>16993220
Judging by your screenshot it is already being scaled and checking this option will make the window smaller. You might want to double check to make sure it isn't checked anyway.
You also should try going into your display settings and increasing the scaling factor there.

>>16991933
Im dropping the update files in the converter and I still dont see anything on elosnack

Am I doing bad for my playtime?
https://pastebin.com/nHb2jb9S

>>16993662
Where are your resists? Like this any breather or mage can blast you to death in no time. I'd rather have gear that isn't even <miracle> and has few stat/skill bonuses, but has e.g. #### resist to an element. Magic resist is also great because it lowers damage from every other element

This has probably been asked multiple times but can you play the game without a numpad(a laptop)?

>>16993790
Yes, and you can even play it with a gamepad. But a numpad is just the handiest. You can probably get a usb numpad for cheap

>>16993220

You can play around with window size in config.txt

>>16993790

You can also change numpad exclusive keys to keys that you do have in config.txt

>>16983126
Pick a pet you plan to keep with you at all times and teach it tailoring. Make a point of sleeping at night instead of whenever and you'll get a piece of blessed miracle or higher light gear every day. Most of it will be junk, but once in a while your pet will make something with some great resistance on it. Pretty sure the same pet can't make gear and breakfast, so if you already have a chef pick another.
Yacatect's weapon reward and a helm available from the workshop can reveal invisible enemies. Pumpkins are trivial enemies of you can see them before they can throw a potion that fucks you up like slow or confuse or blind.

>>16992639
Can't do borderless AFAIK, but in config.txt you can set the resolution. Paste a screenshot into paint and count how many pixels each tile is and make x and y multiples of that. Might be able to push the borders off screen.

>>16994851
>Pretty sure the same pet can't make gear and breakfast
It can.

>>16993790
I do. I've been using the Windows on-screen keyboard to hit *.

>>16993599

I got to work. Ignore post

>>16995665
How did you make it work?

>>16995672
I selected one of the character save files instead of just the save file

>>16993662
I like seeing other people's character sheets/dumps.
>Soul Sex Mansion

You probably need more resists like anon said.

>>16995691
I'm trying to use EloSnack to find the sprite id for the mobs but they don't seem to correlate to the ones on the wiki (which seem to be the correct ones)

>Escort quest
>Get ambushed and the client is killed one tile from Noyel

>>16993790
I never even considered playing with numpad

Magic capacity shouldn't be a skill.

>>16997568
We should just kill everyone the moment they hit 0 MP instead of prolonging it.

>>16997568
Why? There needs to be something to keep me from imploding into a bloody mess if I manage to fuck up the incantation.

>>16999075
Miss vampires are cute.

>>16999075
BRUTAL.

When speed is capped for pets, any recommendations on what should I be giving them for AP? Bare in mind I'm using custom and most skills I can just teach them through wasting time in the puppy cave.

Everyone loves _____'s ass.

a)my little girl
b)Lomias
c)Shena
d)Murder Knight
e)Kumiromi

>>16999962
f) Aniki

>>16999962
m)wind slut

>>16999962
Kumiromin has the fittest butt of them all due to all the field work, I bet

>>17000029
D
D
F

I didn't expect just petting my spides would make their meat and skin worth its weight in diamonds

>>17001142
ikr
I plan to ditch my pets except god ones, and make more ranches for $$$, they all die anyway.

>>17001228
I leave my weakest pets at home using the housing board, they're just there to be cute and greet you. Could have them man shops as well (I noticed there is an option that trains shopkeeper negotiation+charisma potential for some gold). Getting the charisma to have a lot of pets is easy with just investing and shopping, but it takes a lot of time to train and gear one up so a small group is best.

On the main squad I piled every piece of elemental gear I could find, each piece enchanted+changed to superior materials and everything. Now all of them can take a hit and survive e.g. dragon breath or bomb rocks.

Dominating a cockatrice might be a good idea for the ranch (285 breeding power despite being a level 50 npc, liberally uses nerve arrow and eye of stiffen)

>>16981814
Does anyone know the artist who makes these busty npc and pcc sprites

>>17001945

>>17001951

>>17001958

>>17001963

>>17001971

>>17001945
Yeah, this guy https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=6715949&tag=Elona

>>17001990
Thanks

Can someone answer a question on AP?

It says on the wiki you can store up to 3000 AP, but mine stops at around 2k, it also seems like I'm losing a few points of AP as the number in parentheses is higher than the count on the left which is supposed to be AP I can currently spend.

/tg/ here. Can I ask why the Elona general is on /jp/ and /vg/? Not that /jp/ Elona general isn't comfier than it probably would be on /vg/.

>>17002113
If you look at the times between posts, you'll notice that often there's a couple hours in between. I'm not sure if that's the original reason, but it's impossible to keep a general this slow alive on /vg/. On there you need a rescue bump every hour at least in order not to slide off page 10, there are just too many sanic fast mmo generals.

>>17002113
We don't have the speed and don't want the futafag shit posters that try and derail everything

>>17002143
futafag? I've never seen any Elona related futa art

or like eating cursed forbidden meat to make their PC a futa?

>>17002166
It's a thing going on /v/ and /vg/ currently. /jp/ has its crowd while /vg/ and /v/ has its own thing going on.

>>17002113
It gets mentions in the roguelike thread. I used to pop in there when Elona was not a 100% uptime thread on /jp/.
But Elona isn't really a roguelike, and people who want to play a roguelike aren't playing Elona.

Thank god you came with the element bitflag Akeno making you immune to fire. I can't normally just tag any pet to me and meteor everything in the void to farm you AP. Meteor normally kills them many times over because they just don't have enough fire resist or magic resist.

Maybe I can get you to 1000 MA from 600 in an hour by doing this tag meteor combo.

>>17002062
2000 is the max you can get before you need to spend it. The second number in parathesis under AP on the character sheet is the total amount of AP the pet or character has made during its lifetime. Like for my pet Akeno she has made 19,600 AP since the time I've begun raising her. Currently she has 0 AP to spend due to the fact that I've already spent it all on AP to bonus points from Leold. Maybe the wiki's 3000 is referring to that.

is there any way to take notes on items? I think I'm wearing a ring of teleportation, but I'm not sure how to mark it as "possibly teleportation".

>>17002438
You're...wearing an unidentified ring? Go get it identified at the wizard and e(x)amine it to see what it does.

>>17002452
It was generated on me. I've taken it off -- I wanted to figure out which one might be causing the teleportation by process of elimination, and I think I've found out which one. How do I mark it as, "THIS IS A RING OF TELEPORTATION"?

>>17002458
As far as I know, there's no way to inscribe items like other RLs. There isn't any need for it either, because identification shows everything an item does, is cheap, and can be done en masse. It could also be the case you have a cursed item equipped or have the ether disease symptom that causes random teleport.

>>17002265
Hey isn't >>17001951 the sprite you use Kai?

>>17002678
I'm not Kai, I just used to picture to see if anyone would know the artist since Kai is a familiar face.

>>17002682
but it is the sprite he uses

>>17002678
That would be the one I based my sprite off of. I just made minor changes to the sprite for roleplaying reasons. Like I changed the sprite's eyes to blue because my character is the son of of a Roran which normally have blue eyes. Think the original has earrings if you zoom in enough and I got rid of them but my memory on that might be wrong.

Like other anons, I like his sprites too and have used a couple of them for my pets. Either the original or one where I edited them.

Kinda new to making custom ai, does this seem alright? I'm trying to make sure I don't have any pets standing around confused by my instructions, while still learning new abilities.

>>17003058
whoops, I forgot to add in shadow strike in line 10

>>17003058
Looks like it should work if you put in shadow step where you said you would.

>>16995799
sure why not
https://pastebin.com/heJgyVga

I want to lug my heavy-ass happy bed around to sleep on on the go. Is rawwork the lightest material it can be? And can I "lock" the item so I don't accidentally eat it or something?

>>17003844
>That light cloak

>>17003891
If you heavily invest in magic vendors, you'll start to see scrolls of flying that can make your stuff even lighter. Press x to examine your inventory and then * to toggle items as no-drop.

Best power gaming class min/max?

>>17003913
snail pianist

>>17003891
I did this with my latest game. First wish I got from a well was happy bed, immediately blessed it and carried it with me along with my Jure daki. It was a heavy burden (pun intended) at the start of the game, but it definitely pumped my str+weight lifting that I can carry 2-3 big daddy corpses with my status just at the 2nd stage of burdened, I know it ain't much compared to the higher level players here, but it just pleases me that I can carry so much despite being a supposedly lanky wizard.

How do I specialize a shop into a specific type?

>>17003989
Use the register, there is an option to change type

>>17003991
Apparently I need to upgrade from 1.55 then. What with the Custom hiatus I'd been neglecting it.

>>17003998
I recently updated to 1.66, but I'm holding off on 1.67. Maybe if they add some fun stuff instead of ''balance'' tweaks I will bite the bullet

>>17003985

If you're a wizard you should just mass store corpses in 4 dimensional pocket. I don't know how I'd survive without that spell.

>>17004903
You do need a book to grind that up though. You can't just start shoveling the fleshy masses of deceased Lovecraftian deities into your personal dimension without training your mental fortitude first!

>>17003913
Pet.

>>17003891
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment
Check out the weight modifier on material types.
I think griffon scale is the best you can do on inferior material scrolls.

>>16985108

>>17005896
You can't roll/cycle griffon scale on inferior scrolls, it's superior scroll material.

>>17003891
The lightest material is probably the paper. You could also try dawn cloth, spirit cloth, zylon or ether.

>>17006713

>>17006713
Time to review up those lamia pets

>>17006839
Rev, fuck

>>17006139
Whoops! I'm always getting that confused with zylon. Maybe they're both green or something.
I think paper isn't an option on furniture, though it was a long time ago.

>Lamia
Snake a shit
loli skunk girl sprites when?

I noticed sometimes when you exhaust an NPC's attract, the ''Let's talk'' option vanishes when talking to your pets as well (leaving wait at the town as the top option). I've had this occur intermittently for a long time, and each time the way to fix it is to talk to a different NPC without emptying the meter.

It's pretty trivial but it rustles me every time

>>17006859
you could always modify the skunk girl pcc from the mod pastebin, I'd post it if I wasn't on mobile

>>17007177
Strange. I can't seem to replicate what you're seeing. I talked to various vendors and guards in towns exhausting their lets talk option but when I talk to my pet their let's talk option is always there. Can never seem to exhaust my pets attract either. Maybe it's a bug with a specific version of Elona that was fixed later on? Currently running Elona+ 1.67 fix2.

I have been playing on this character for a long, long time. (since like 1.30 something as far as E+ versions) I haven't tried out wizard mode, either.

Also, pets not running out of attract from just talking is normal. They'll always love to talk with you unless they hate you or something.

Known ways to actually decrease pet attract are things like using them in the Ensemble special action or smacking them. Not 100% sure on others, though.

>>17003913
Yerles.

>>17007448
That, and taking engagement items from them after giving them one.
It drains more points when you take it away than when you give it in the first place, thus slowly draining your affection

>>17008249
You're confusing attract and impress, the attract value is just how many ''chats'' you have left with an NPC before they get bored, impress is how much they actually like you. Pets are not supposed to ever run out of attract points, meaning you should always be able to chat.

But according to the anon above, some actions actually drain pet attract for some reason until you can't chat (???)

>>17007448
Regular performance also drains their attract, as it does for any other NPC. I assume performing for NPCs with attract points to spend improves the effects of that performance.

>>17007448
>>17009137
Holy fuck that's it, this entire time I thought it was some kind of bug related to talking to NPCs while all that was happening was their attract being drained by performing in between

I'm mega baka

Can you reroll or add adventurers while the game is in progress? Looking at the leaderboards every time I restart is one of my guilty pleasures.

>>17009765
Sometimes they retire after being killed, which will free up a spot in the list and cause it to eventually be filled by a new random adventurer.

Yowyn is so comfy, harvest quests aplenty and panic/challenge quests are extremely easy because the map is so small. Can complete them in seconds.

>>17010072
Speaking of harvest quests in Yowyn...

I don't think harvest quests are worth doing once you get kumiromi statues.

>>17010270
Can you wish for one instead of having to wait until beating the quest in South Tyris?

>>17010301

I've never tried but I think that even if you wish for one and successfully get it. You won't be able to get duplicates from the little sister quest without doing the south tyris quest. Only having one statue isn't that helpful.

>>17010301
It's a precious item and you can't wish for those unless you're in wizard mode.

Kai: Hello wish-chan are you there?
Wish-chan: Y-yes Kai-san? What can I do for you today? *hundreds of telephones ringing the background*

Wonder if I should get the wish goddess to move into my house. Instead of calling her from a well or using powerful magic to establish a direct line of communication to the goddess, I can just ask her for stuff face to face.

Nah, I shouldn't do it. If she left her call center there would be turmoil all over the place.

>>17010982
What if on answering ''You'' a wish goddess showed up, or it replied ''I'm busy, but I'll send somebody in my place'' and you got a servant race pet

Suggestion for the devs

>>17011030
Would be neat.

>>17008945
I think hitting pets with your attacks reduces their attract.

>>17011030
>You feel as a stroke of good fortune passes by

She definitely needs more people to help her. I blame you all for hogging her time and giving me a busy signal. It's my time to cry on her shoulder!

>Time to pay taxes!
>Trek all the way to the Embassy
>Forgot the bill

time to buy a tax box

>>17002062
Guess I'll be a bit more specific this time, picture related.
Is there a way to stop it from jewing me or pets out of minor amounts of AP?

>>17011799
Don't kill any AP granting creatures untill you find the one that grants exactly 4 points?

>>17011799
I've done 3 2000 AP turns ins for my pet and the accounting appears correct. Would check spending AP values to total AP every now and then and it appears to be right. I saw no unaccountable numbers for my 3 turn ins. Had no bleed throughs either. Meaning when I got to 2000 spending AP that was the hard stop to my gains and I saw no numbers carry through and added to the AP number in parenthesis.

What version are you using? Might need to update. Anything odd that you've done with your pets or character that you can think of that might be affecting AP gains?

>>17012035
On custom 1.62.1 currently.
Nothing that I can think of, no.

>>17012057
I'm on Elona+ 1.67 fix2. Might try upgrading and see if that fixes your problem.

>>17006846
Doesn't 1.67 let you choose paper for furniture?

>>17009765
If there was a way to import other people's characters as adventurers for your world, it would be incredible.

>>17012405
You could do facsimiles with Elosnack.

Is there a way to make riding not suck at low levels? If I buy a Noyel horse and ride it right now it doesn't boost my speed at all but it does completely tank my hit % even with the feat.

Do you just ignore riding unless you're a golem or something, do I wait until I'm higher level to bother with it, or am I supposed to just suck it up and run around with 84% training my riding skill?

>open door
>get dragged into the center of a room filled with cluster bomb rocks then immediately nuked by every single rock before I can even react
>survive
Still alive you cum guzzling shitstains. Go fuck yourselves to bomb rock hell.

It looks like clovers don't increase luck's potential, and neither does anything else. They are just a very poor alternative to rabbit tails.

>>17013312
There are actually at least two ways to raise luck potential:
1. Eat breakfast (1%-6% depending on skill of your pet cook and RNG);
2. Turn in stray cats to <Dog Cop> (80%-100%, but trains luck instead if potential is more than 300%)

You are right about four-leaf clovers, they don't increase luck potential.

>>17013285
bombrock genocide best day of my life

New comer here, what makes this game called Elona+ good and what is it about? It seems like a pixel flat pane game

>>17013926
The tvtropes page on the game sums it up pretty well

I severely underestimated the power of melons

>>17012998

I don't like riding because it makes my sprite look retarded. I've just been playing alone lately for the 20% speed boost. I'd rather further the growth of my own character rather than some pet.

>>17014392
You do know you can disable the riding sprite right? Press "p" on the character sheet while riding and the option to change/disable should be there.

>>17014392
If you really want to solo power to you man, but pets make life so much easier. They grow at a much faster rate than you do, take hits for you, clear out areas for you and shower you with gifts. Items such as ores and herbed food are wasted on yourself, because pets get many times the benefit from them. I've had most of mine from the beginning --- now I'm around Lv 30, but my pets are more than ten levels higher and way tougher than my PC. Watching my party surround, debuff and take down monsters of level 80+ on their own is great.

I just hit continent 2 and I'm looking at the AP guy and where do you guys stand on Chara quality up?
It puts a greater than and less than symbol around my pets names and I'm not sure I care for that as it triggers my OCD.

Since I can only pick two feats for both the player and pet, is there a general consensus on which ones are good? I hear barrier mentioned a lot but I don't know where to go from there.

Lastly I want to teach a pet some skills in custom but it's not showing certain ones though I'm sure they should qualify, is there a list of all the abilities I can or can't teach them somewhere?
Not sure if I need to use AP for moves like Attribute or if I just need to grind stats much higher or not.

>>17015257
They don't even have to be higher level than you to make life easier.

I've kept about 5-7 levels ahead of my 4 pets, and we still wrecked thinks many times our levels while in our 20s. Beat Act 1 at about level 24 (pets lower) without any dedicated stat grinding.

Numbers are king it seems. The more party you have the more divided the enemies efforts are, the more damage the party attacks are doing, and that isn't even accounting for custom ai.

We aren't unkillable by any means, but numbers help you swing way above anything you should have a right to.

>>17015519
True, they're only higher because they leveled faster than I did but have been useful all the way. In combat most of the time all my character is doing is literally cheering them on (with cheer, gravity accel, occasional potion or healing rain). Also it's nice to hand down your equipment to them when you upgrade, and there are way too many unique artifacts in the game to use on your own. It'd kill me to leave all that good shit lying at home unused

>>17015458
>I just hit continent 2 and I'm looking at the AP guy and where do you guys stand on Chara quality up?
>It puts a greater than and less than symbol around my pets names and I'm not sure I care for that as it triggers my OCD.
You can rename your pets to get rid of that.

>>17015458
>Chara quality up
It makes your pet (almost) immune to status effects, just like bosses. Brackets around the name is a small price to pay for this.

>Since I can only pick two feats for both the player and pet, is there a general consensus on which ones are good?
Barrier is generally good, especially for non-magic users, since it acts essentially as a second HP bar. As for others, can't really give a good advice.

>Lastly I want to teach a pet some skills in custom but it's not showing certain ones though I'm sure they should qualify, is there a list of all the abilities I can or can't teach them somewhere?
Can't help you on this one, either pet already has the skill or something else is in action here.
The full list though is on the wiki: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/AP

>Not sure if I need to use AP for moves like Attribute or if I just need to grind stats much higher or not.
That depends on your playstyle, Attribute is very good for martial artists since it adds magic damage to your punches (notable: nether heals you a bit, chaos can apply up to 5 status effects, magic is less resisted than others, element can be changed with <Element Eyes>)

>>17015613
While this is true, it may lead to problems when you want to have all resists covered on every pet. Finding proper armor is an RNG affair of highest caliber, and artifact fusion is reliant on scrolls of gain attribute, which are /noshop/ and very rare in dungeons. Pic related - my little girl, first and best pet with one glaring hole in nether resistance.

>>17016394
Yee my dude, hunting for resist gear is basically my character's job at this point. Dungeon delving, crafting, investing, running around towns looking for adventurers, it's all just to maybe once a month luck onto an elemental piece with superb resist.

Here's my black angel. You can imagine what happens if we fight something with chaos breath or that spams nerve. At least magic resist mitigates it somewhat.

Summon spirit for party time quests is now completely nerfed. Didn't see it in the patch notes but in 1.67 fix 2 it's nerfed at least. Picture on the left shows the points my character Kai got using spirits. Picture on the right is actually of me just using fascination dance on everyone. Got more points just using fascination dance on everyone at the party instead of killing everyone and replacing them with high level spirits.

Back to the slower way of farming hero cheese and magic fruit. Certainly not impossible to do just slower. Managed to get around 15,000 tickets just doing all the party time quests in North Tyris and South Tyris with fascination dance and the job boards seem to refresh in about every 3 days. Can always get hero cheese and magic fruit from little sister turn ins as well.

Definitely going to add extra time to getting my pets to where I want them to be but I'll manage.

>>17015458
Chara quality up is something to grab eventually as it is useful but for me it's rather low priority on things to get because of other things I prioritize working on before getting that. Such as speed upgrades and bonus points for skill ups.

Barrier and charm are the ones I get for my character and pets. Since I don't like running with low HP and heal myself when I can, I wouldn't get much use out of the other traits. If you don't mind staying at low life then those other traits might be useful to you. They can be pretty strong especially if you stack it with other buffs and special actions.

>>17015677
The first time I'd done that I think it gave me those symbols again before.
Wonder if it was because last time I'd tried this on another version or something else I'd done wrong.
I'll fiddle with that some more see if it's on the up and up now.

>>17016394
I kind of figured it was worth it, but if I can remove the brackets anyways I'm not too concerned, I'll make that the 3rd thing I get.
I meant the skill list for CUSTOM. Since we can't teach our pets certain moves with it. I have attribute unlocked for my PC and I want to teach a pet that, but I don't know if we're able to outside of spending AP. I'll just keep raising their stats to make sure, I'm sure the requirements can't be more than 10 times normal even if the normal is twice. Better safe than to waste AP. Didn't know Element Eyes also works on Attribute, I'll have to go grab that.

>>17016635
>Barrier and charm are the ones I get for my character and pets. Since I don't like running with low HP and heal myself when I can, I wouldn't get much use out of the other traits. If you don't mind staying at low life then those other traits might be useful to you. They can be pretty strong especially if you stack it with other buffs and special actions.

So one is always active, one is active as long as you have enough MP, the other two don't do anything unless your HP is low, and all 4 revolve around you taking hits in some form.
Going to have to agree with your choices as I don't make a habit of running around with lower life on purpose opting to be fully capped in HP.
I'm not particularly interested in a glass cannon build and it'd probably be better to just have enough base evasion and such to make sure you don't fall into less than 50% life to begin with.

Thanks for the info anons.

Unlocking a new recipe is the best, you find out you had been collecting materials to make it the whole game and can produce dozens of the item at once. I waited for a lucky day to blast this shit out

Daddy hunting is suffering.

>>17017042
Beat dungeons with a different goal in mind like hoarding medals or gathering mats, see the daddies as a bonus

>1.67 cart upgrade system

Thank you jesus, I might actually have reason to do cargo runs again.

Are there any "elegant" ways of beating bosses besides grinding until you can close your eyes and hold F? It seems like anything that might be potentially useful, like debuffs, walls, stealing just goes to shit with bosses and the only thing left is to level up your pets until they can solo it.

>>17017932

I get this feeling too.

>>17017932
With their super resists against everything combined with a HP multiplier, you don't get much of a choice except hitting hard or hitting harder.

>>17017932
Well can't seem to get around grinding of some form. It's a big part of the game so yeah there's that. Bosses as far as I can tell have something about them that makes it harder to stick debuffs on them but it's possible. Just need to work on leveling said debuffs. Been using tons of debuffs on bosses and enemies for a very long time such as ones that slow them down or silence them if they heal and teleport.

Stealing does work on bosses. Picture shows me robbing a skeleton boss blind. Took his sword, helm, and armor. Was successful on my first try for the sword and armor but for the helm I needed two attempts. You need a high enough pickpocketing skill and after that blinding, putting the person to sleep, or doing the deed in darkness will help.

If you're not using special ammo and taking advantage of additional range attack for more attacks each turn you're only doing a fraction of your damage potential. As for pets, they're definitely nice to have but you certainly can solo the game if you need to. I have another picture of me stealing stuff from a powerful enemy in the void as well. So pickpocketing does work even later on.

>>17018422
In the void I can steal from enemies. It's easier with normal enemies as bosses can't be put to sleep but regular enemies can be. I used the special action where if you touch an enemy you can put them to sleep and proceeded to take the weapon of this juere swordsman. In the past I had fun stealing the hammers of the Atlas. They're really strong with their two hand skill and a decent hammer but forcing them to use their bare hands reduced their damage a bit.

>>17016635
Why does everyone insist on using 1.67 again?

So I figured I'd try my mutant again, and I am curious if anyone knows the number of times you can attack with your hands?
I know I can miss 16 times, but I'm still low level, so I don't know how much I can hit.

>>17018533
I'm personally using it because I'm fine with the changes and hope some of the bugs in the past versions were fixed in this version. Custom is out for it as well so I figured why not upgrade. I'd upgrade to fix 3 but the fact that the wiki says it's an experimental build keeps me away. Having said that, 1.67 fix 2 has been pretty stable for me and I haven't had any problems with it. Custom for it also works well too.

>>17018563
Is there a way to tweak the code and undo some of the damage?

>>17018584
Have no idea about tweaking the code of Elona. Although from what I can tell with the Custom features there's toggles that turn on savescum and some other features. You might want to read up on them. I personally don't play with savescumming and have left everything on default. Due to this, I can't exactly tell you more on them unfortunately but they're there for those people that want to use them.

>>17018584
No idea. if you're talking about the summon spirit thing I guess it was bound to happen. It was quite the effort to get to like lv 800 summon spirit in the first place and then to have a performance skill around 900 to 1000 to get the stars on their heads. But I guess the silver lining is that you don't need to grind for that anymore. Instead the grind just switched to doing many party time quests. If 8 party time quests can give 12k to 15k in tickets and the job board refreshes every 3 in game days I'm sure I can still get a decent amount of hero cheese and fruit.

>>17018637
Can you summon spirits for extra points?

>>17018650
Wouldn't be worth it. I had heard in patches past that Ano really wanted to halve the reward value of things summoned in. He first started with undead and I guess now he got around to the spirits. Each party has a maximum amount of people that can attend so you need to kill people to make room for the spirits. Problem is you're killing people for spirits that don't give as much points as the regular people now. So it's actually better to just perform or use fascination dance on the regular attendees. I prefer fascination dance as the animation is fast, works off of charisma which is very easy to raise with bulk investment, and I think in one of the patches Ano said you may get slightly more points from that than performing. I could be wrong on that but I've been using it nevertheless.

>>17018665
Well that sucks.
Would a piano man build be viable now?

>>17018692
Should be still viable. Just understand that if you're playing for gold in party time quests that it's the people in the audience giving you gold not the quest itself. The quest itself will only give you one plat and music tickets. For tickets I can get around 1500 to 2000 each party time quest. Don't know if you need as high of performer or attribute levels as I have to get those numbers but from what I can tell, it's merely the audience and the number of named NPCs that show up that will determine your score. All that matters is that you're successful enough in your performer skill to get stars over their heads.

>>17018715
Glad to hear that, I was hoping to make my first character a wandering minstrel.
Though if Ano keeps putting nerfs on things without giving us legitimate alternatives it might be time to start making our own mods.
There's no excuse for padding, especially in an open world rpg.

The game just disappeared my happy bed and barbecue from my very safe spot on the ground while I was off picking watermelons. I'm about to do some nasty mucking in the save directory to get them back. Does anyone know which file keeps track of inherited items?

>>17018794
Yeah don't leave anything on the ground that isn't your house or some sort of thing you own. It will vanish after some time has passed. I did this with a stack of food I left for a pet. Left it on the ground in town and afterawhile it just went poof. Guess someone came along and thought it was free food and just took it. Probably some dirt poor adventurer that just got done with Lomias's tutorial came by and just took it.

>play after long hiatus
>don't remember fucking anything

God damn it, new character I guess. Should I "create gene" on my old one or will it fuck up the save?

>>17018831
Shouldn't mess anything up. Make the gene. Incarnate an Adventurer at the menu on the startup screen, go through character generation with the gene file. If you need to update to a new version of Elona just make sure you save in town with the gene before you do the update.

>>17018794
Multiple save slots with separate autosave when?

>>17018831
there is no reason to make a new character, the game is just a grind anyway

>>17018831
Just pretend you got amnesia.

Is the pv/dv you get from armor essential?
When I made my mutant, I only gave him hand slots, and I am feeling a little bit squishy with 17 life.
Since I don't think you can really get more than 10 pv/dv on each weapon, and with only body slot I'm not sure how to do it.

I can get plenty of resistances easily because of the precious weapons. And chest slots don't have anything that I can't get elsewhere except pv/dv, where as more weapons always have more utility, if not for the damage, which is why I went for hand slots instead.

I have eight slots left which I'll use one for neck for the twin edge, at least one ring slot for aurora ring, maybe ring of steel dragon.
Leg for seven league boots, but this one too isn't really super important. Arm for Cestus of Meteors. Back for the Mighty Arms.
Head for the Sage's Helm, but that isn't that needed either, just an earlier source of see invisible, but I should be able to get that with the solar cane.

I'd just like some thoughts on what to do, I doubt too many people play mutants, but I figured trying one would be fun.

>>17020260
I think every character needs high dv or pv, even a fairy that can barely wear anything relies on defense from equipment. With a lot of hands you are presumably going into melee and thus getting hit a lot, which will lead to you getting wrecked fast unless you mitigate the damage. Maybe wear multiple shields/tonfa? Focus on defensive spells? I hear that claws and tonfa limit your attacks to 4, though. Another problem would be getting resists, you'd need to basically put resist sticks in your hands instead of actually strong weapons.

Shields are off-limits, since I think they make me train shield instead of dual wield, and considering my hit chance for some weapons is like -160% I need to level it.
Currently I have 56/93, because of a nice body piece, and once I get more slots I should get more from upgrading what's in those slots.

>>17020260
>>17020350
*when referring to resists I mean it'll be tough to cover all your bases with just the precious weapons and they often have rather low # values or are hard to get

>>17020397
That sounds alright. I'd try amassing a stock of holy shield/hero/speed/regeneration/attribution shield spellbooks over the course of the game as well, training and hotkeying the spells. You should be good to go then

>>17020444

Did they ever finish that Elochat replacement?

yooooooo all chaos bosses beaten

Does evolving a pet affect their INI score?

Shame the new INI Lowering NPC only goes so low. I'd love to lower a pet to single digit stats just to see how far and how fast they can go

>>17020529
Good, now go down south and beat those.

>>17021021

At least the north tyris ones don't require hard capped stats to beat. Just some creative teamwork.

The south Tyris ones are just plain bullshit.

How japanese is this game?

>>17021027
Ah, honestly I was just popping a suggestion for a "complete" set. Haven't beaten the South Tyrith bosses myself.

Speaking of which, about how should a person's stats look if they want to take down metal vesda and the like?

Pretty sure I could get away with less than recommended since I'm running 4 pets, but I'd still like an idea of what to shoot for. Had to stop playing for a while due to college, but am now going to try and get back into the game.

>>17021240
Datto isu goodo questionu anonnu-kun disu geimu notto for howaito piggu desu

>>17021240
It's got panties and sex and stuff. I guess that's japasese enough for me.

>rolling aliases
>miss out on leg lock by rolling too fast

>>17021240
I'd say it's fairly Japanese.

My fairy seems to be picky about the stomafillas now, only giving the seeds with blessed ones. Has it always been like that? I thought I remembered cursed stomafillas working.

>>17015257
>>17015519
Just a couple of threads ago, the consensus was that having more than a couple pets would make the party actually overall weaker. Being a pet master has finally become fully viable.

>>17018533
Because there's nothing wrong with it?

>>17018584
You mean the huge buffs to everything?
Can't believe people are still making up stuff to find reasons to hate Ano.

>>17018831
Make a gene, no reason to at least not get your old stuff.

>>17021518
Hey Ano, people can dislike changes in an update without it having anything to do with you

>Manage to get 2 well wishes within a month.

Can somebody say MEWMEWMEW

>>17021465
See >>16943935
>Cute fairy: upon being fed, it will generate vegetable seed, fruit seed, and gem seed,
but if fed on days 3, 9, 13, 19, 23, 29, 30, it will generate vegetable seed, magical seed and herb seed,
and if fed on days 6, 16, 26, it will generate vegetable seed, magical seed and gem seed.

I don't think it matters what you feed it

Is exploding enemies' damage weighed against your PV? In order to survive bombrock gangbangs, do I just pump my gear to +10?

v told me if i do whatever people are doing here i can actually make it past grind puppy cave>still confused>give up in this

Trying to integrate party time quests with my usual with my usual farming of herb seeds and hitting up each town for their magic vendors. Party time quests I guess are just one more thing to do from my usual challenge and panic quest farming for platinum. In one hour of game time I got a pretty good haul. Enough platinum to level up my spells from attending the magic schools, a bunch of wonder scrolls, enough herb seeds to fill at least another farm if I wish to, a spellbook of wish that I can pull 50 wishes out, and enough music tickets for 4 hero cheese or 4 magic fruit. Not bad. Despite the summon spirit nerf I can still work with this.

>>17020654
From what I can tell from the god pets I evolved, no it doesn't. INI score is pretty much locked when a pet joins your team.

>>17021782
It may help a bit but bomb rocks are mainly there to tell you that you're too low level to proceed. Getting more levels for more HP to survive the explosion should be done as well.

>>17022107
The beginners guide in the OP helped me when starting out.

For generic advice I would say do harvest quests to level up and train skills since the monsters that show up there are very weak. Taking delivery/fetch quests that are close by until you have some nice equipment and a couple of levels wouldn't hurt either.

Also, despite your views on it being a "pet" choosing the little girl at the beginning will help your survivability since she will definitely be stronger than you starting out.

>>17020654
No. Tested on 6 different pets.

>>17022156
>>17022269
Thanks lads

>>17022156
Huh, so you don't pick up change material scrolls for shop stock?

I turn all my equipment stock into rubynus/griffon scale or better tier with a stack of blessed ones that I get from doing magic shopkeep rounds for the same purpose.

The difference in value multiplier between Paper and Dragon Scale is a bit more than 75 times.
Though I don't know the full depths of how shops work just yet and there may be a cap on how much you can sell one item for based potentially on an invisible set cap or held back by pets negotiation/charisma.

Anyone want to discuss this more in depth?

I just found out joining the fighter's guild halves the cost for upgrading weapons and armor at the blacksmith in town. Give me back the million gold I just spent

>>17022369

That's interesting. I'll never betray the mage guild though.

>>17022340
That's a neat trick and makes sense to do given the recent changes. I normally keep my eyes on wonder scrolls, spellbooks of wish, potions of potential, descent potions(rare but I have seen them on my magic vendors from time to time), and gain material scrolls which I farm in bulk and read to craft gear.

Most of my gold I've gained through just picking up all the junk gear in dungeons and selling them in the pet run shops. When I craft things I usually only save a handful of items with the rest of the stuff I put in my shops too. Between the crafting and selling of junk armor I make a decent amount of gold. I have some magic seed farms which I use in hopes of getting rods of wishing. All other rods I put in my magic shop run by my pet. Sometimes I'll just buy out all the stuff from magic vendors and put them in my pet shops relying on trade ins for better stuff. Such as spellbook trade ins for hopes of a spellbook of wish.

So it seems for now I get most of my gold through treating my pet run shops as recycling centers. I may look into taking the junk from dungeons and applying those material scrolls to sell for markup in my pet run shops. Thanks for the heads up on that.

I really want a couple Evolution Hearts. Do I just do dungeons endlessly? Amass a fortune and visit souvenir vendors? Run around the first few levels of the Void for a while?

I've been killing a lot of monsters of Lv 29+, but haven't seen any hearts drop except from the forts. I'm starting to wonder if I have to beat the main quest first or something.

>>17022476
I don't know what to use my wishes on these days, what do you spend yours on?

>>17022491
It's completely RNG to have drop with the only definite way to secure one is to buy it at a really high price. It's going to be painful if you're actively searching for one. Instead, I've had an easy time just finding them through achieving some other goal while hunting monsters down. Ehekatl doesn't like it when you stare at her trying to communicate to her that you want that heart. She'll give it to you in time if you just go about your normal business.

>>17022387
Mages Guild for lyfe m8

>>17022491
>Evolution Hearts

Hit level 50+, they're not that rare. I have a whole stack at home. Same for the "Another" variety. Conversely if you have money to spare Souvenir-type vendors will rarely stock them for obscene prices (1 mil)

Seems it's the Magic, God, Machine, King hearts that are hard to get, though. That or they'll drop from common enemies later when I'm a much higher level than I am now, as of right now the best way for me to get those would be to kill the special bosses littered around north/south Tyris.

>>17022526
Descent potions. That's why my level is so high aside from doing challenge/panic quests and void. A blessed descent potion gives you a level instead of decreasing it. Earlier I said I can pull 50 wishes out of a spellbook of wish. I normally get a couple of those books, bless them, read them, get a lot of spell stock, and then wish for a lot of descent potions. I bless the stack and then get around 200-400 levels depending on how many spellbooks of wish I have or wish stock gained from wonder scrolls. The wish goddess knows me by name because I'm constantly putting in orders for a shipment of descent potions.

Well that's what I'm using my wishes for now. In the past it was for getting all the feats with miromi, getting shift cores, new years gifts for the five horn helmet, and a happy bed.

>>17022491
Nope, you don't need to finish the main quest, I've grabbed a couple before even entering the first floor of Lesimas. I'd think that just picking up a money maker skill like fishing and questing would be the most direct and quickest way to get one, but I've gotten more than enough just playing the game.
Also, note that if Evolution is giving any speed boosts, that speed is wasted unless your pet has already hit the AP speed spending cap of 800.

>>17022529
>>17022539
>>17022554
Thanks for the advice, I think instead of buying hearts I'll use the money to beef up my squad and start doing higher level dungeons.

Is there a general agreement on opinions of what makes a good candidate for Ranch stock?

For example, maybe rabbits for the potential of dropping rabbit tails for luck?

Seriously now? How the heck am I supposed to find that?

>>17024146
You can be a little tricky by finding paper.bmp and modifying it. Maybe it'll give you a bit more help.

Has the train shopkeeper option disappeared for anyone? There doesn't seem to be a change to shops in the last few versions that'd be it

>>17024595
Works fine for me, make sure you didn't accidentally take your shopkeeper out (assigning the same one another time actually unassigns them)

The option doesn't appear when I assign a shopkeeper, maybe a bug?

>>17024016
Horses, rabbits, putits, other things with high breed power are all good. I've had a ranch with tarantula (pretty high breed power) and gave the whole team poison resistance that way. Some unique pets have relatively high breed power and produce shades, so you can get random pets/corpses. God pets breed extremely slowly if at all but you can get one or two duplicates by putting them in a ranch anyway.

>>17024757
Just checking, does your new shopkeep have negotiation? I'm still on 1.66, that sales exp line is new to me.

>>17024769
Oh shit that's probably it

>>17024146
If you look closely at what it's showing you, there's what looks like some different terrain bordering in the bottom and left edges. Could be one of the sections where the snow turns into a different tile (grass/rock)?

Once your character marries a pet, besides a lack of the ''May I ask for your hand?'' option there's no indication of who their spouse is, is there? I loaded an old character and had no idea, had to go through the pet army one by one. It would be nice if there was a line in the character screen that shows who your PC is married to.

Or maybe also a listing of your adopted imoutos, like expanding the ''designate pets as precious'' option with giving them little titles. Could have a <Family registry> book that lists them or something.

Houzanha (30 mining skill) is the best. No more tediously going through corridors in a dungeon and having your pets get lost, just wreck the whole level

>>17002265
Is there a list of npcs with the element flag? Will my little girl not be able to handle my meteors eventually?

>>17013926
You can have sex with dinosaurs, marry a rock, grow dank herbs, run a restaurant, kill whores, rescue a puppy, worship a guy with a beard made of fire, and ride a motorcycle

>>17024146

There's not that many places it could be.

>>17026411
I used Karata as the base for Akeno. Just changed the gender using forbidden meat and changed the sprite. So Karata has cResEle. Other creatures that have the bitflag include Murder Cockroach, Gokiburi, Grass Dancer, Grass Killer, King Cockroach, and possibly Cubes.

Meteor's damage is fire based so having enough fire resist is ideal to mitigate its damage. Magic resist can work too as magic resist helps reduce all spell damage regardless of element however its main specialty is magic. Resists of the appropriate kind(Ex:fire resist for fire) do a better job resisting their respective element though. So with enough fire resist or magic resist any pet can survive the player's meteors. I have class 8 fire resist on my character and he can walk through his meteors fine so that's what I would need to aim for for my pets as well.

The problem with me is that I'm having problems keeping up with the resist needs of my 4 pets. A common problem that will emerge as parties get bigger. Crafting has allowed me to make decent armor with resists for my pets but there's resist holes that need to be filled with artifact fusion. The main bottle neck for taking advantage of artifact fusion for resists for me is gain attribute scrolls being needed. I've been able to get those scrolls through finding them in dungeons and through magic shop trade ins but my resist demands exceed supply. One of these days I'm going to need to set aside a bunch of wishes to just wish for those scrolls again.

My other pets have resist holes in their gear however due to Akeno's element resist bitflag and metal bit, I can be really lazy with her gear at the cost of having a harder time farming AP for her because of her INI score. All I need to do with her is just load her up with magic resist since that's the only hole in her resists she has. That's been pretty easy to plug and since she's near fire immune I can easily meteor around her without having to worry that it will kill her.

>>17024146
>>17024190

>>17025915
You can also use it in Panic/Challenge quests with no consequences.
The town will be destroyed but will respawn back to normal once you change screens. Because they're instances.

I am overcome by this urge to give Murder Knight forbidden meat and big melons

I just found out about word of death and I'm kind of excited to raise a pet with it and nuke high hp enemies.

>>17027657
I think bosses are very difficult to hex now and even ordinary enemies had their resistance raised, but it could still come in handy so go nuts

Killing enemies this way won't give your pet any exp though

>>17027720

Yea, I read about the exp thing. I figure that it will be able to kill the vast majority of things within 20 turns anyway so it won't be a big deal.

>>17027657
I think it has a hard cap at 10k damage which doesn't even count as a nick in the infinitely scaling content.

>>17027769
missed a zero there

>>17027657
Don't get too excited, death word only deals 9999 damage, and it doesn't scale later on.

>>17027720
Bosses flat-out ignore 75% of attempts of getting hexes, and even when you do land a hex, the duration is reduced by 80%. Also, they are immune to death word.

>>17025110
I saw that, but couldn't match it to anything on the map as-is.

>>17027162
Thanks, I may just cheat a little after all

>>17025421
But can't you marry as many pets as you want? Polygamy is totally fine in Sierre Terre.

>>17027818
>Bosses flat-out ignore 75% of attempts of getting hexes, and even when you do land a hex, the duration is reduced by 80%
For real? So leveling up those spells is a waste of time, it's exactly bosses you want to slow down and weaken.

>>17028026
20% duration can still make a difference. Level your spells so that 20% is still plenty.

>>17028026
>So leveling up those spells is a waste of time
Not at all. Even if a silence spell lasted 5 turns I'd still use it just to keep a boss from healing itself. Considering spells can last up to hundreds of turns once they're leveled up even a reduction of 80 percent isn't something to care about later on. Duration isn't a problem. Getting it to stick is a problem but normally if you can get a high level spell to stick it lasts long enough to end the fight.

I feel like the amount of turns spent trying to hex and failing could be more efficiently spent just using damage spells, with the exception of silence.

>>17028115
>>17028124
But with a flat 75% chance of failure, isn't it better to just keep pummeling? It's going to take several turns to get the spell to stick.

>>17028151
Depends on the situation. If the enemies heal spell is powerful enough that it negates the amount of damage you're doing then silence is definitely worth it. If your slow spell is powerful enough and lasts long enough you can make it so you take more turns than the boss and do more damage or heal yourself. Then there are enemies with specific resists and if you weaken or remove the resists entirely they become easier to deal with. Especially true again if the enemy can heal itself and you're just planning to overwhelm their healing or trying to kill them before they kill you.

I love ruining the lives of liches, baptists, and fairies when I silence them. No lich tactics for you guys where you just teleport in, cast a spell on me, and teleport away laughing.

Don't know where one goes to suggest things, but would it be a good idea to have the "pick up items after party time" thing from custom be available for the Pet Arena?

Kind of sucks to see things dropping with no way to pick it up.

When it comes to the graphics mods, what needs to be done in order to update for compatibility with specific versions? I moved over to Elona+ Custom 1.67fix2.2, but I've gotten so used to the monster girl sprite sheet, that playing without it feels weird.

>>17028792
Doubt that would be accepted since you could never pick up things from the pet arena, and Custom doesn't want to change things like that. I'd consider that to be akin to cheating myself.
The link with the official thread is in the OP if you want to suggest it.

>>17028858
Get the character.bmp from 1.67, compare it to the one you were using, them add the new stuff from 1.67 to the old one with Photoshop or something. Most of the changes should be at the bottom.

So is this game pretty much "Autistic Minmaxing: The Freeware RPG"?

>>17029009
You can enjoy the game for over 100 hours without minmaxing or autism.

>The increase in potential decrease [in 1.67] was a little too much, so all potential increases from training and items have been increased. The potential decrease remains the same.
Can we expect 80% potential from training once in 1.68?

>Like attribute potentials, potentials of all skills will now increase by 2% when waking up.
>When earned AP causes current AP to exceed the cap of 2000, the excess AP earned will decrease total AP. (This means that AP is no longer wasted when AP is at cap.)
>Lulwy will now accept arrows and bolts as offerings.
>Ehekatl will now accept dead fish as offerings.
Good.

>When drunk, insanity received is halved and Sanity counter will increase by 1 less.
Drunken Yith brawling

>Decreased influence of level and increased influence of attributes on maximum HP and MP.
Time to get your remaining stats to 2000, Kai.

>>17029020
I've just wandered around with some pets going on adventures and making up stories.

So if nothing else you can add Silly RP to that description.

Can any anons answer a question for me since I have seen conflicting things on the wiki and in threads.

When a fire fox brother uses megid flame, does he suffered loss of speed due to being very tired? Or is he able to spam it repeatedly with no ill effects?

>>17029171
I don't have a link for you, I know that pets don't keep track of an SP stat. That was one of the considerations that went into "balancing" the Custom pet AI.

>>17029020

not really, about hour 20 you start to be instantly killed without some form of grinding or meta knowledge

>>17029009
It's turning out that way and I'm glad. Been wanting another RPG I could play that has a very long playtime and can make a character ungodly strong.

Last time I played I was playing vanilla so I'm enjoying all this new + stuff. I never managed to get performing going with my old vanilla chars so it's awesome being able to complete at least the easiest Party Time! quests with Preaching or Fascination Dance. That fuck Loyter doesn't even try to kill me if I dance. It almost feels like cheating.

Does it hold up at higher levels or is Ensemble the only path to mass Music Ticket farming? If so I should probably head to the mansion soon before I get too used to this.

>>17022476
I have to wonder exactly what is going on in your mind when you decide you need even MORE gold.

>>17029009
More like ''The Magical Realm of Little Girl - Autistic Underage Panty Quest: The Slave Collection RPG: Escape from Hobo Cave - Revenge of H sister: The Official Game of the Movie - Chapter 3 of the Scut SaGa''

>>17029526
>tfw when someone makes so much gold and his pets are probably better fed and clothed than your character.

Is it too late for me to make my character a pet for some sugar daddy NPC adventurer to come along and provide me an easy life?

are hearts still epic-level pains in the balls to get? it's been a while since I played.

>>17029737
If you're looking for them yes. If you're not looking for them no.

So, something that people were requesting several times for Custom was additional map types for the randomly generated maps.

I finally got around to looking at the map generation code and figuring out how it works. I've implemented two additional types so far, one which is a Archimidean Spiral, and the other which is more like a maze based on recursive division. Not sure either one really makes a great map, to be honest.

So, anons, here are my questions for you:

1) Do you have any ideas for additional random map types? Details or examples of the generation would be helpful. Honestly I can't really come up with many ideas for new floor types.

2) Do you think configuration for the maps should be user editable (in a txt file)? There will be some randomness either way, but for example with the recursive division design, you could set the depth of recursion, min corridor/room size, min/max map size, etc. I've done all these right now while I'm testing them, but I'm not sure if I should keep all this open for players.

Thanks.

Image is an example of the Archimidean Spiral.

>>17031392
Thanks for your work Anna, and the spiral looks nice.

Not sure how one would implement it, but I thought it would be interesting to have maps that are just grids of similarly sized/shaped rooms separated by doors.

I thought it would be fun to try and peak into a room, slam the door if something you don't like is inside, then rush to another door.

Though I admit everyone that just rushes Dungeons would likely hare them or just destroy all the walls with houzana.

>>17029129
>>When drunk, insanity received is halved and Sanity counter will increase by 1 less.
>Drunken Yith brawling
Fuck yes.

>>16981814
YWUIGSY?

JUMP IN THE LAKE

>>17031392
Noice, I like it when some maps are just one straight route, most of the time you're just making a beeline for the stairs anyway and it allows you to do that while still seeing the whole level's content.

There is already one that's just a winding path downwards. Maybe a wide zigzagging path? Or how about a tiny floor that's packed to the brim (like the wide open level type but way smaller)

>>17031392
Spiral would be nice, especially in tower nefia.
I'd like to see floor layouts that look purposeful, ie a mess hall, manufactory, catacombs etc... This would require spawning furniture, and I don't know if that is possible. The available tiles I think is also tied to the dungeon type, at least I can't recall seeing a random one that had an earth and stone floor.

Not sure what level of customization a level configuration file would give. Would we be able to write own generation algorithms or only change parameters of existing ones?

>>17029441
Fascination dance is what I'm currently using at party time quests. You make slightly less gold using it but you gain a bit more tickets at party time quests. I also like it because the animation completes a bit quicker than performing or using ensemble. I'd say fascination dance holds up well. Just got to get enough charisma to make use of it. Currently farming tickets for hero cheese and magic fruit for my pets but tickets can also be used to supplement herb supplies and I got plenty of speed uppers by using tickets.

>>17029526
For some reason I read that as Yacatect saying that to me because my eyes were attracted to the more gold part. That would be funny if she actually said that considering she's the person always asking if you're making gold and when you load up the game she gets all fired up about you making gold.

Considering I now have Yacatect working as one of my shopkeepers, I look forward to the day where I'm the one who wakes her up smugly saying it's time to make some gold yet having her groan saying I've made enough and should just be content.

>>17031392
I wonder how giving the keys to the player so to speak in determining dungeon design plays into farming small medals, gold, and big daddies.

For the player wanting to game the system, I could see a player reducing the map to its smallest size and to one corridor to farm gold and to have an easier time shooting for stairs to hunt the boss for small medals. If the amount of enemies on a floor is dictated by map size, then a player would increase the size of the map to max for an increased chance of big daddies spawning.

Should the player have the power to do that?

>>17032372
>If the amount of enemies on a floor is dictated by map size

It's not, actually. There's another variable that controls both mob density and item density on the floor. Which is why in the above spiral you see no items on the floor; I have it set to 0 for testing so I don't have to deal with enemies.

Big Daddy spawn chance is also independent of normal enemy spawns, so even if map size influenced other enemy spawns, big daddy would be unaffected.

The rest is valid though, but I would end up adding a minimum that would overwrite the player's value if they put something smaller than that. Otherwise they could put something nonsensical like a 0x0 map (or even 1x1 or 3x3) which would cause a crash.

It may be worth adding some tighter controls on what a user can edit - though at the same time, people will also find ways to cheat if they want to, so should other users really be restricted because of that?

>>17032259
>I'd like to see floor layouts that look purposeful, ie a mess hall, manufactory, catacombs etc...
Hmm. It would be possible, but certainly more complicated. I'm also not great at designing good looking rooms in general. If you or someone else wants to put together a mockup sample of a room or floor like this, I can see about generating similar setups.

For customization... I guess it would be better if I gave specific examples for the types I've implemented (putting aside the obvious min/max map dimensions).

For spiral...
You can adjust the width of the spiral corridor, the angle(?) of the spiral itself (as in, making the spiral skewed more horizontal or more vertical - in the screenshot the spiral is even), the "tightness" of the spiral (space between each segment of the spiral), so on. This will have some randomness anyways to prevent getting the same map over and over, but you could play with it more if you wanted.

For the recursive division floors...
The primary two customizations are the recursion depth (how many times each segment will be split) and the minimum room/corridor size. It's a little hard to explain without pictures, but basically a lower recursion depth will likely leave larger rooms, with a high recursion depth leaving smaller corridors/rooms. Minimum room/corridor size is pretty self explanatory though I think.

What I really want to know is this: what the hell are those stairs in forest levels?

>>17032745
>he's never seen a multi-story forest
I bet you think towers go upwards too.

When it comes to the exile, which does more damage overall? The rapid fire magic dart, or a single shot crystal spear taught by AP/EC?

>>17032698
>people will also find ways to cheat if they want to, so should other users really be restricted because of that?
Agreed.

>>17032745
Never played Etrian Odyssey?

>>17032911
Can confirm, giant trees have a knack for growing stairs.

>>17033164
Maybe it's all a dungeon, with trees and grass hiding the stone walls.

>>17031392

I poked around in the code a while back to see if it was possible to generate random decorative furniture in dungeons, but just couldn't figure it out. If something like that would be possible it would really make the dungeons feel more alive.

Some map ideas:
Laboratory (make use of those large computer tiles)
Half dirt/half stone masonry ruins.
Half flooded ruins
Checkerboard floor patterns similar to Wynans castle.
Ruins overgrown with plant life. (random forest tiles)

>>17032698
>There's another variable that controls both mob density and item density on the floor.

What variable is that? I've been wanting to code a toggle that increases enemy spawn rates by 2 - 4x to make things a bit more hectic. But had no luck finding it.

>>17029790
damnit. why must they be such a pain, anyway. I presume there's no way to cheat them in, either.
>tfw save corruption

>>17034050
The void has a boss fight every 5 levels. Each boss fight has a chance of being one of the extra bosses if you've finished the corresponding act. I've goten several magic hearts just by beating the lich guy.

>>17034050
Why are you in desperate need of hearts? They can help a pet out but it's not like a night and day difference once a pet evolves.

>fire up elona for the first time in a while
>everything's zipping around at mach 8 and I can barely convince anything menulike to move only one increment
what the shit.

>>17034261
Did you start using Windows 8 or newer?

>>17034267
nope. aside from grabbing the newest version of elona+, nothing in particular should be different from last time I played it.

>>17034305
Try compatibility options for the executable.

>>17034310
tried compatibility modes for 7, vistaidsSP3, XPsp3, no change.

Does luck affect the number of attributes a piece of random or unique artifact has? Should I hold off on upping my luck until I find a glut of artifacts with minimal attributes for artifact fusion? Is there an ideal luck number I should aim for to minimize the number of attributes?

>>17034658
Good question, a lot of details are lost once you get nearer to having your level in the triple digits.

>>17032372

Thanks, it's good to know I can keep dancing forever and never have to worry about being stoned again.

>>17035714

I like these images.

>>17035944
A shame that the artist vanished.

>>17036294
Maybe he went on a new adventure

>>17036626
>Scut!!!

Hmm, I wonder if I teach fascination dance to Saya I can lock down enemies through paralyze. If it's possible, she can spam her lewd dance and the casters and range users won't need to kite. The trick is to then convince Saya this is martial arts related so she'll go through with the training Kai gives her...

At any rate, a dancer like pet might be interesting if the above is possible.

>>17034658
Might want to look at what the wiki says about luck. It's not exactly a well understood attribute in how it works as reports from people have been mixed with some people saying it does play a role in x and y while others dismiss such claims. Having said that, I haven't actively gone out of my way to raise luck for my character and he's doing alright. Don't know if he'd actually do better by increasing his luck but it's very low on my priority list of stuff to raise.

Those happy apples cost quite a number of music tickets that I could be using for hero cheese which I understand better and know will help me out whereas luck is a bit dubious. I could use wishes for Kagami Mochi to raise luck but at this point in time I would rather use my wishes on gain attribute scrolls and descent potions.

You should be fine for the most part with just default luck. So no real number to aim for. If you do go the route of actively increasing your luck though let us know if you discover anything with it.

>>17037170
Historically, dance has been used to preserve martial traditions beneath the gaze of an oppressor (capoeira being the canonical example) so it's not a stretch but any means. Her cheeks will be tinged a ferocious red, though, and she will pause every three minutes to question whether this indecent pose has ANY practical combat applications. But she'll go through with it, and master it as long as you keep telling her how much stronger you can see she's getting.

>>17037170
That's handy, a complete list of teachable skills, so I was right about needing more stats for Attribute.
Suggest uploading what spell teaching looks like if you don't mind, would make it handy to know what's whitelisted and what's not.

What this tells me is I still need to raise stats higher for a move.

Dumb question, but is there any way to get rid of this withered plant without cheating it out? It's been bothering me.

>>17037948
Pick up the altar then press grab to get rid of the plant, put the altar back down before you get squashed. If you don't own the altar you need to train and use pickpocket

>>17037978
Got it, thank you. I guess I'll go train pickpocket.

>>17037471

>>17038039
>The maximum weight of the items you may steal is equal to your strength (including bonuses) divided by 2.

>>17038061
He'll be able to look forward to removing that plant for years, it will fuel his training

>>17038083
This should have been Saitama's origin story.

>>17038061
>500.0s
Whoops, guess that isn't happening anytime soon. I guess I'll just have to deal with it until I have 1000 strength. Thanks for the advice, though. I'll pretend that it's supposed to be there since it's Kumiromi's altar.

>>17038092
Another thing you could do is carefully burn it down and get another altar from wherever Quruiza was.

A question on the bronze coin/cart stuff

Is there a max cart upgrade now? I am at 200 weight and it says the next upgrade is 10 bronze coins but it won't happen even though I have 16 or is it just display bugged and needs 20 or something?

>>17038092
If you throw a molotov you might be able to burn the plant before the altar.

>>17038104
>>17038192
Thanks, I'll try this once I get a molotov.

>>17038206

Don't forget that you can put fire out with thrown potions as well.

>>17038045
Appreciated.

>>17038275
Right, will do.

>>17038191
Probably bugged, it was bugged with platinum as well.

anyone know if you have multiple goose pets will they all produce platinum? or do they all share the once a sleep cooldown?

>>17032698
I tried to come up with floor plans that would encourage the player to explore the entire floor, but I guess magic mapping sorta makes that pointless.

I was thinking a k-d tree (maybe 3 levels?) could be used to draw the catacomb hallways so they'd not intersect with each other to give it a winding labyrinth-like feeling. Small puddles of shallow water add atmosphere and also make lightning and ice more useful and more dangerous.

For the other two I was thinking something more static. The manufactory is a large central room, possibly partitioned with wall segments into smaller sections where equipment it mass produced, with smaller random specialty forges and storerooms, with workers' barracks and stairwells on the ends.

The dining hall is, well, a big dining room full of tables and chairs, maybe even food, a kitchen with some low-mid grade cooking furniture (since that's easy to get with modest shop investment) and a storeroom. Maybe random smaller rooms attached. I guess the hall could be two smaller halls, partially divided by load-bearing walls (no doors, just 3-4 wide gaps).

>>17038864
My least favorite dungeon layout is the one that's nothing but a corridor with a few small rooms, pretty much requires Houzuhan spam just to move around.

>>17039350
Most dead-ends in this dungeon type are actually secret passages. With decent detection they are pretty easy to open.

>>17040022
It is rather strange, as that's pretty much the only random dungeon layout that uses secret passages.
Actually, I can't think of anything else in the game that uses them.

>>17038191
Is half of your coins unidentified? There might be an upper cap, but you can go past 200.

>Reading spellbooks for stock
>Accidentally read younger sister's diary

Now I have to take care of this little rascal

>>17041397
That'll teach you not to read other people's diaries.

>>17040249

My coins were identified but after looking at them to make sure I saw that they had been put into multiple piles somehow. Dropping them and picking them up stacked them and this still didn't work, until I left the map and came back.

>>17041397
I read all mine and cram em into my discarded ranch that I remodeled into a little village. I have about a million imoutos milling around.
I don't even visit them unless it's to drop off another load.

I'm >>17038206
and I tried using a molotov on the altar. For those who are curious, it doesn't look like the plant is destructible with fire considering I let the fire spread to the entire rest of the area and everything else burned with the dead plant remaining intact. The only way I could get rid of it was nipping it after the altar itself had burned, so I guess it's staying there indefinitely.

>>17043182
The withered plant saga continues

In regards to combat spells that aren't pure magic, are they really worth it? I just got to thinking how you have to use nightmare or elemental scar to get any effect out of them on a lot of monsters, and from what I understand this proves even more true when you get to the crazy late game where everything has resistances. Applying this logic to boss monsters, this seems to apply even more to them, since you have to hex them and they gimp your hexes by a extreme margin, using 3-4 turns to even get a hex to stick while they pound away at you. When I think about turn efficiency, I'm starting to doubt the use of these spells. Spells with effects also scale their damage worse than pure magic spells, so that's icing on the cake. Can anyone give me a reason why I'm wrong here?

>>17043654

For the most part only lightning is really worthwhile to train. The wet status effect boosts lightning damage is a weird way, against things with low lightning resists it is just double damage like you expect but against very high lightning resist enemies you do far more damage then you would think. This is worth it to kill a few enemies who have massive resists to all elements including magic.

Not even fire is any good if it isn't meteor being cast. Most undead have a massive fire weakness but this is removed at the relatively low level of 100 and by 200ish you might as well just be using magic dart. Ice is even worse off as most things that are a "fire whatever" are usually not weak to ice at all.

Elements in general need to be looked at. With so many options nearly every enemy should have an elemental weakness, but there are so many superfluous elements that are all worthless for you to train. Mind, Chaos, Nether, Darkness, Sound, Nerve you might as well not even have these spells as pretty much nothing is weak to those attacks ever.

>>17043893

After looking at the numbers on the wiki for a bit, it seems I was wrong about the scaling. It looks like pure magic scales the worst, but you still have to worry about resistances if you were to try to use something like nerve or ice. This makes it kind of complicated. I wonder how it works out in the end. If you were to have lvl 2000 magic missile and 2000 nerve bolt I wonder what the numbers would look like.

>>17043654
1) Some of my current spell levels for my character. Notice that even though fireball is lower level than my magic storm it has better damage dice. Also Element Scar reports that it lasts 490 turns but due to the enhance spell enchants on my armor it lasts much longer.

2) Dungeon boss of a lv 400 or so dungeon. Resists are are all around superb but due to enemy type lightning and nether is a bit better. Note that magic resist on scaled enemies increase. Instead of having none this guy has normal.

3) Despite bosses being resistant to hexes I still use them and duration is not a problem once spells are leveled. My element scar still lasts 193 turns. Enough to cast 193 elemental spells so no need to try to stick another hex in this fight once applied.

4) Highlighted in blue in my magic storm damage. Highlighted in red is my fireball damage. Fireball does about 15k more damage than magic storm when element scar is applied. So the take away here is that elemental spells can do more damage than magic storm.

Now, what should we conclude if we don't land the hex on the first turn? Well, eventually the damage difference between an elemental spell and magic storm will make the elemental spell catch up to magic storm. For instance, missing the hex on the first turn but nailing it on the second will lead to my fireball equaling the damage of magic storm on turn 10 and from then on fireball does more damage than magic storm.

So, in prolonged fights, elemental spells may do more damage than magic storm but in shorter fights it's possible magic storm can finish the fight earlier.

to be cont.

>>17043951
5) Elemental spells are very powerful when used against enemies that are weak against it. Undead is normally weak against fire and here we have an ancient coffin in the void weak against fire.

6) How long my Element Scar normally lasts. So the coffin was already weak and I just made him even more weak.

7) Magic storm did about 57k to the coffin but my fireball did around 680k.

8) Elemental spells such as fire, cold, and lightning can have damage mods applied to them. For instance, an enemy that is wet is weaker against cold and lighting spells. In picture 8 I threw bottle of water at a mammoth. I did not use element scar but the damage between my magic storm and ice ball was still significant. My ice ball level, lv 771, is lower than magic storm, lv 848.. Magic storm did around 60k while my ice ball spell did around 90k damage. I did not have any gasoline on hand but that would be the item to increase fire damage. So all in all, I would not ignore elemental damage spells.

>>17043951
>>17044005

Thanks for the informative posts as always. I guess I see the truth now.

>>17044019
Another piece of advice: Water enhances cold damage even more than it does lightning. Elemental scar + wet + ice bolt + slow + rampage is how I kickes Meshera-chan's ass because I simply outdamaged her super regen every turn.
In fact I can deal the most damage out of anybody in my party even though I'm the healer and debuffer.
Actually, I think I'm going to teach my nymph to use water bolt and elemental scar and see what happens.

>>17043951
>>17044005
You should add that to the wiki page on spells or elements.

>>17044150
I think it's all covered under "technical" already.

>>17044005
You could add even more damage by tossing oil at them when using fire, could you not?

>>17044005
One thing I would like to know: Things like Mist of Frailness, the other debuff spells without numbers, are they easier to apply or apply a heavier debuff when they're higher leveled?
So far the only thing I see increase in number that I can measure easily is that it lasts longer.

>>17044841
You can stick it on a pet before having a talk with the informer, but yes, it does increase in intensity.

>>17029129
>attempts damage control to shut up the naysayers
>still manages to be autistic about it

>>17032372
If someone wants to cheat they could always just edit the save files.
I never understood putting arbitrary limits on customization options, especially when the basis of it is random people triggering OCDs by not playing the way they want them to.