/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>16951653
Pawoo

>>16951653
Wait, is it a pixiv thing? Why not just use pixiv then to upload art?

Why did they stop using pixiv anyway, I can't think of a site worse than Twitter to share art.

>>16951774
As an artist, the usual gallery-like concept just sucks. Tagging and choosing every option is bothersome when you have to share art.

Twitter-like is better. You benefit more from your art being shared than from likes anyways. I only care to share stuff with the people who follow me instead of just general public.

The issue with twitter is that they are ban happy and the compression sucks.

>>16951808
Since when has Twitter been "ban happy"? They have some of the most open posting rules out of any site.

>>16951808
I suppose it's a case of convenience for the artist vs the viewer.

As a non-artist, pixiv is better for me because I can just search Touhou on the search bar and get Touhou fanart exclusively, instead of the entire Twitter userbase's opinion on Touhou. And I can also combine it with other tags. Besides tagging is open so it's not like it's entirely up to the artist, but I see what you mean.

>>16951815
Antiloli trolls have got several artists banned by mass reporting. Like Asanagi or Torigoshi.

Of course they make a new account later but losing followers and momentum sucks

>>16951653
Well so far there aren't any artists I want to keep ontop of that have jumped ship yet (I mostly follow niche fetish stuff)

That said I do follow over 400 users on pixiv, and more and more people moving to twitter has not been treating me well.

Any artists on it already I should follow?

>>16951808
>tagging is bothersome
You sound like Clarste whining about posting download links to new manga chapters. Yeah, good practice is bothersome, but that's no excuse to not do it. If you're going to do something, then you should be willing to see it through and do it correctly all the way to the end. Don't think of it as putting in some kind of extra effort; it is itself part of the undertaking. If you're not willing to finish what you start, don't bother.

Twitter is only better for you, and only in the short term. Anyone who's not following you, anyone who likes your work enough to want to save it, and anyone who's looking for your work in the future are totally screwed, and in return, what? You save a few minutes that would have been spent tagging? Maybe get a few upboats to inflate your social media e-peen? Great, now there is no permanent, searchable archive of your work, and no un-artifacted masters available on the web, because you were a lazy piece of shit.

And this Pawoo thing looks like more of the same, just another transient platform for spastics who can't think more than five minutes into the future.

>>16951808
Pixiv was a godsend. In the old days, artists all had handmade websites with galleries that were easy to check and batch save. Then they started switching to wordpress and shit which was terrible for users who wants to see all their content. Then Pixiv came and saved us. Twitter is just a return to blogshit serial format.

Why is it so hard to make a site where you can both follow the artists you like as if you were on facebook or twitter but there's also a tag based gallery.

>>16952824
>anyone who likes your work enough to want to save it, and anyone who's looking for your work in the future are totally screwed, and in return, what?
You can always go to their twitter and pull up their full list of media, if it's not flooded with images of what they had for dinner and other random shit. People who actually are "looking for your work" are going to find it. People who want your work to show up in their character searches won't.

>>16951653
> Pawoo doesn't compresses the images like Twitter
Instant winner.

>navigate to pawoo.net
>504 Gateway Time-out
lol

So anyways, pixiv is attempting to get its users back from twitter?

Is this pawoo any less bloated than pixiv?

I mean, I've had to write (and constantly update) custom userscripts/styles to make pixiv comfy to use. I managed to improve the pageload speed tenfold by removing most of the crap and I couldn't imagine browsing manga galleries without a preloader anymore.

>>16954046
well it is a mastodon service which aren't bloated usually

>>16954121
I've never used any mastodon services, but simply opening a wikipedia page already fills me with anxiety.

>Mastodon approximates the user experience of Twitter and uses an interface similar to TweetDeck, a professional Twitter application.
So basically someone reinvented twitter? I sure hope the user experience isn't as abysmal.

>>16951653
The only good thing about Pawoo is loli, and unfortunately not my cup of tea.
Pawoo tried tweetdeck format and goddamn failed to do so, with all that lacking features. Loading all full pictures at once is shit. Also, like tumblr, no higher res pictures.

>>16954132
essentially diaspora but with twitter so easy to set up in japan so japanese law rules instead of american

>>16951653
It's kind of a pain in the ass to use. Then again I don't have a smartphone and it seems like it was made with that in mind.

>Could not authorize you because "Csrf detected".

Is what I'm getting when trying to login with pixiv account. I'm not convinced about the quality of this p. awoo service.

>>16954046
ooga booga where the userscripts at

the real question is, does it stop non-nips and non-koreans from posting on it?
pixiv just turned into the super weaboo deviantART

>>16951808
Kill yourself.

>>16955574
it doesn't but well twitter doesn't either

>>16955574
Just go to Nijie or whatever. Also Pixiv was Jap deviant art even before the dumb westerners with their retarded fetishes.

I'm on a different Mastadon instance but all my followers are from Pawoo. Do people there just have follow bots that follow every post they see?

I don't understand how this pawoo thing works.
How do I look for people? The timeline? Is that it?

>>16951653
>Pawoo doesn't compress the images like Twitter
good

>>16959426
There is the timeline named local timeline where all the posts are presented. It's too fast.

I want to culturally enrich PAWOO with my western art!

Can I search for specific characters or series with Pawoo?

>>16963899
seems you can only search hashtags,
which sucks. most people dont even bother putting in character or series name into the post let alone tagging it like that.

>>16959426
same way you do on twitter.
find artists you like and follow them.
watch the timeline to see what they repost from other artists they follow and follow them if you like them.
and so on until you follow everyone that does things you are interested in.

unfortunately like twitter most posts will be spam and other unwanted garbage and gets worse and worse the more you follow.


anyway, complete garbage just like twitter.
maybe they will work on adding more features like a proper search or stuff to make it better for artists to post stuff but i dont have high hopes.

I think it's better than Twitter for several reasons:
- It's decentralized and you can follow Pawoo artists from another Mastodon instance. You're no longer forced to use corporate services.
- No censorship.
- No annoying westerners.

>>16972880
>no censorship.
except when you have to because it's illegal to have loli stuff on your server

>>16973005
I haven't seen anything to suggest that Pawoo is hosted outside of Japan.

>>16951653
Makes keeping up with artists even more of a bitch now and days. Just stick to Pixiv for fuck's sake.

>>16973025
>>16973005
It is hosted on Amazon AWS located in Tokyo. (*.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com)

http://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/rande.html

Japan is lacking of good website/app for 3d pictures (cosplay and more).

>>16973025
it was a super big discussion since every images gets cached on every instance, so if you hosted one in germany or france you had all the loli stuff on your server
So most blocked media stuff from pawoo

>>16952904
Fucking this.

>>16951653
I'll miss seeing artists posting pictures of their favorite beaches and restaurants

>>16969741
>seems you can only search hashtags
garbage

I hate it. I already spent enough time bothering with twitter. I don't want another twitter-clone that was made just because they can't make pixiv any better.

>>16952904
10-15+ years ago on the internet were dark times for finding lewd animes art. I've still got around 150 bookmarks of artist's homepages / blogs and ancient CG-search websites that aggregated links and had "new art!" notifications.

http://drag11.sakura.ne.jp/check/
This one's been up since around year 2000 I think, I'm kinda surprised it's even online anymore. You can find lots of ancient web links to artist homepages that have probably been offline for over a decade on its Log. Kinda like the Jap version of Anipike archive.

For those who don't know, Pawoo is based on Mastodon, a decentralized open-source Twitter clone. Users from a Mastodon instance (such as Pawoo) can follow users from another instance, and instances cache each others' content, such as images.

After Pawoo launched, it didn't take long for this to happen:
https://cherubini.casa/why-i-shut-down-wizards-town-and-left-mastodon-6d4e631346b3?gi=316b987efa8e
https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1847

>>16951653
>Pawoo doesn't compresses the images like Twitter
I hope they all switch to this based on this alone

>>16995280
>Caching content and sharing will all other Mastadon instances.

That's fucking insane and expensive.

>>16995336
Welcome to the era of CDNs.

The internet has been full of such insanity for a long time already.

>>16995336
It's not that bad, it only caches stuff linked by the instance's users. Your cache of other instances will scale with the size of yours.

>>16995682
Ah you're right. I didn't read carefully enough and assumed it was caching things from the federated timeline.

>>16951653
PAWOOOO

>>16953847
>if it's not flooded with images of what they had for dinner
You are beyond delusional, any website with infinite timelines and no way to filter content is objectively defective by design.

Next thing you're going to defend Instragram "artists" ruining their drawings to fit a square aspect ratio and applying some shitty hipster filter.

I'm always baffled by how the Internet gets worse and worse by the minute, people are embracing shitty compression and shitty interfaces in exchange for mindlessly zapping content.

Guess I was wrong when I thought we were on the verge of surpassing artificial scarcity thanks to the free flow of data. You guys seem to ENJOY eating shit.

>>16996390
At least it's a good way to know who's not worth talking to. If I see people post images that are full of jpeg artifacts because they saved them from Facebook I just ignore them. I'd report them too for breaking rule 6 but I don't think the mods are as nazi as me

>>16995280
That must be one of the most hilarious discussions I've ever read.
Look at all these #INTERNET_REVOLUTIONARIES trying to de-centralize the Internet and at the same time being scared shitless of law enforcement. They don't even know what they are fighting for.

Not to mention the Norwegian guy beating around the bush trying to pretend he's open-minded and not against those evil kiddy porn cartoons.
Funny how the "Russia banning gays" resonates so much better with them, do they think gay people earned their space in the West by abiding to law enforcement?

I thought Pawoo was supposed to be nips running away from Twitter's control freak whito piggus getting in the way, but seems like this Mastodon platform won't be any different in the end...

>>16996644
I'm with you. Phoneposting was a mistake.
But sometimes you end up saving shitty pics from other users around here as well. Takes a few iterations until your average user notices the artifacts.

Pawoo~

>>16996711
>seems like this Mastodon platform won't be any different in the end
It's open source. Even if every other instance in the world blocks Pawoo there's nothing they can do to stop them or regulate their content. Pixiv can stand on its own and doesn't really need the federated aspect of the software at all, though they do seem to be embracing it, if the two guys in that issue thread are to be believed.

Why don't gooks just settle for pixiv already?

>>16997013
Because having your art retweeted/shared is exponentially better than just getting likes.

>>16996390
i thought twitter was the worst thing ever until an artist i saw an artist i followed had an instagram account. can't even fucking save pictures from it.

>>16997031
They could at least post it there as well. Having to go fishing for new art in different sites is such a hassle.

>>16997040
Wow, that sounds awful. Can you link the instagram account? I want to see how instagram protects images. Such protections are usually trivial to bypass, maybe I could write a small userscript for it.

>>16997065
Pixiv is packed full of image sets that are just labeled "Twitter Stuff #17" by artists who stop by once a month with all the stuff they uploaded to Twitter in real-time.

>>16997076
it's some fetish account, but it's like that across the whole website. random example
https://www.instagram.com/p/BT2urH-jN4w/

i asked someone once what the point of making an image sharing website was where you couldn't save images, and he said it was so people didn't download "creep shots" or whatever.

>>16997097
Always makes me giggle when the first thing upon opening a new website is this.

>>16997097
>>16997111
Anyways, the fastest/easiest way to avoid this kind of silly protection is opening your browser's console (F12) and checking images from the network tab.

You can get the direct links there and save them.

HAYAI!

Fuck every artist that makes me have to wade through books worth of shitty opinions, shitty descriptions of the mundane things they did today, shitty pictures of the food they ate and reblogged art that isn't their own just so I can see their actual work

>>16997332
My favourite is when artists repost rather than retweet their own work, so if you go through their media tab you see the same pictures dozens of times.

>>16997332
>>16997370
I've simply stopped following artists who've gone to twitter.

We're on the second run through this circle of platforms.
- Decent galleries (custom homepages)
- Unusable shit (era of wordpress/other cms)
- Decent galleries (pixiv)
- Unusable shit (twatter/pawoo)

I wonder what the next gallery thing will be.

>>16997393
Is tumblr a decent gallery or unusable shit?

>>16997451
pretty sure it has image size limits. like 1200px or something. not too great for art.

and it usually depends on what theme they use. some are just horrible and annoying.

>>16997471
also i think loli gets you banned.

>>16997451
I don't know any japanese artists using tumblr and I don't personally use it.

But I'd file it under other cms although it's a little different from that. Its technical aspects are bad; it recompresses images and limits resolution.

>>16997451
-You can't view likes efficiently, its just an endless scroll layout.
Makes it really annoying if you have thousands of likes.

-can't post loli. All it takes is a group of people to report your tumblr and it will be immediately terminated

-search engine is worthless. Can't search for multiple tags and have to syphon through irrelevant shit that's not fanart.

>>16997476
What is a site you can post loli and not be banned nor have to put censor bars over it? Besides patreon and boorus.

>>16997493
The only one I have found is the ATF booru.

I have been banned from everything else.

>>16997493
Inkbunny, but it's full of furry shit and diapers. Still, at least it allows loli/shota.

>>16997996
That people will rise up against loli but not against furries is one of the greatest injustices of this world.

>>16997393
Where would Nijie fall on this list?

>>16998515
It's search system is shit (as is it's tagging system)
It's just crawling with ads So you're losing about 1/3 of the screen to the seer volume of advertisements.