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It's almost as if this is a reflection of real life in a way

Really activates those almonds.

>>16942442
The fight between Reimu and Kosuzu is going to mirror the fight between Obi wan kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. The trolley is going to be the mining facility which starts to collapse all around them.

>>16942442
The nature of Gensokyo and its social engineering has been explicit since BAiJR.

Also grass is greener and all that shit.

>>16942442
How is Gensokyo not a paradise? The youkai probably protect them from everything from plagues and natural disasters to human based crimes like rapes and murders, and from things like famine or starving to death from homelessness. A average bumpkin from Gensokyo would probably end up dead from human causes in a few days in the outside world and wonder how the fuck humanity ruled outside world could be worse than the youkai ruled zoo.

I mean neither of them left Gensokyo after all. They wanted to be youkai too. They could have just fucked off to the outside world and spent their lives being a wageslave office worker or whatever.

>>16942536
>They could have just fucked off to the outside world and spent their lives being a wageslave office worker or whatever.
But they can't Only Sages can come and go as they please. everyone else gets to stay.

>>16942549
Untrue. Rinnosuke has crossed into the outside merely by concentrating on an iPod. And then there's the various mentions of youkai hunting parties.

>>16942565
Rinnosuke was then a few second later brought back. Even though he could survive outside the barrier

>>16942536
You also forget that Gensokyo is a medieval shithole without any modern commodities. All those things you mentioned are easily avoided or taken care about by modern society and won't ever affect the average person as long as they don't live in a third world or middle east shithole.

>I mean neither of them left Gensokyo after all.
>They could have just fucked off to the outside world and spent their lives being a wageslave office worker or whatever.
Gee, and pray tell how does your average human village human can fuck off to the outside world? Do they just ask Yukari pretty please with cherry on top and she just gives them a free ride with a bonus guide on how to survive on the outside world? C'mon son.

>>16942536
Humans are species who like freedom.

I really cannot blame Kozusu for losing it when everyone around her is never upfront with her, kept coddling her like baby, are trying to manipulate her to benefit from her or straight up threatening her to take something from her. Specially when all these things are coming from people she considered friends. No wonder she decided to listen to Yukari considering she's the first person ever to truly tell it to her like it is.

>>16942587
>You also forget that Gensokyo is a medieval shithole
Gensokyo isn't old enough to be medieval. They're probably at the level of any other very rural Japanese area.

>All those things you mentioned are easily avoided or taken care about by modern society and won't ever affect the average person as long as they don't live in a third world or middle east shithole.

Yes, they will never experience an earthquake or dangerous wave resulting from an earthquake in a place where earthquakes happen all the time.
Even if a hurricane hits, it will never flatten the human village. Kosozu got fucking blown away by one and was fine. The average Gensokyo resident would just become one of Japan's homeless and die or be taken by yakuza to make weird porn videos.

>Gee, and pray tell how does your average human village human can fuck off to the outside world?
How does your average human villager have the ability to see the outside world and to turn into a youkai? Neither of the two in the OP were average and both could have either figured out or asked someone how to leave. I mean two "average" high school girls from the outside world managed to figure out how to get in. Two "average" upset villagers should be at least able to ask Reimu how to get out.

>Do they just ask Yukari pretty please with cherry on top and she just gives them a free ride with a bonus guide on how to survive on the outside world?
Kosuzu probably could have. Hell Mamizou could have taken her out.

>>16942442
Yes, it is a paradise. For youkai.

>>16942627
>Yes, it is a paradise. For youkai.
Can't eat humans
Can't kill humans
Can't fight for real
Face the constant threat of Yukari killing them for stepping out of line
Face the constant threat of Reimu killing them on a whim or because she assumes they were involved in something they didn't even know anything about.
Can't even kill Reimu or Yukari unless they want to die too
Don't even have the option of leaving and going somewhere else unless it's to one of the hells/netherworlds

>>16942587
>Gensokyo is a medieval shithole without any modern commodities
1885 isn't medieval, dumbass. That's industrial era technology, and the Moriya Shrine is actively modernizing. Not up to our tech level, sure, but they have literal magic and miracles to supplement it.
Plus, I'm certain that they won't face the problem of complete human obsolescence we're gonna get in a few decades.

>>16942637
>Can't eat humans
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>16942442

Compared to modern standard of living? Hah, of course not, it's only a paradise for youkai. But honestly, who cares about a few thousand humans when there's billions of them in the outside world: it's selfish to exterminate all remaining youkai and release magic to an outside world who is steadily desperately needing it over such a small amount of bodies!

>>16942637
>Can't eat humans
The hell you think Rumia and Flan have been eating?
>Can't kill humans
Can't kill VILLAGE humans. Recluses and outsiders are fine.
>Can't fight for real
Multiple battles in the manga don't use spellcard rules. But if you're looking for game examples, Tenshi vs Yukari is commonly thought of to be all-out.
>Face the constant threat of Yukari killing them for stepping out of line
Yukari don't give two shits unless you're an extant threat to the concept of Gensokyo, as evidence by her letting Eagle Ravi set up shop.
>Face the constant threat of Reimu killing them on a whim or because she assumes they were involved in something they didn't even know anything about.
Reimu has exterminated hundreds of youkai but the only ones she has killed have broken fundamental laws like "don't go after the villagers, dumbass."
>Can't even kill Reimu or Yukari unless they want to die too
Reimu is replaceable. And uh, good luck killing Yukari.
>Don't even have the option of leaving and going somewhere else unless it's to one of the hells/netherworlds
Mamizou lived for years on the Outside.

Go home Kasen, you're drunk.

>>16942641
Anon, 1800s Japan was a backwards medieval shithole.

>>16942442
Large Kosuzu is laaaarge

Why didn't you save her, /jp/?

Don't worry lad. She is just got possessed by Demon of the Scroll. In the end, Reimu will exorcise the demon within Kosuzu and everything will back to happy life. Oh, and Kosuzu wouldn't remember anything.

>>16942903
ksz is possessed by mima

>>16942690
http://www.san.beck.org/21-7-JapanModernization1800-94.html
so Gensukyo became a thing during japans peoples rights movement.... very not medieval

>>16942906
Mima is too chill now to hold any malice despite being an evil spirit.

>>16942910
Medieval to him means anything without smartphones, showers, and internet and shithole means anything outside his suburb.

>>16942442
Because grass is always greener on the other side. I'm sure that lots of people fed up with their frantic life as wageslaves would like to live in what pretty much is a pre-industrial society without any of the bad shit pre-industrial societies had, like famines and plagues. The villagers live in fear of youkai, but people in the real world live in fear too, be it of nuclear war, terrorism, crime or debt, and those fears are much more real than those of what basically amounts to a county-sized spooky house ride where no one is in real danger.

>>16942689
>Can't kill VILLAGE humans. Recluses and outsiders are fine.
Meaning most humans cannot be killed and only rare occurrences count.
>Multiple battles in the manga don't use spellcard rules.
Like?
>Tenshi vs Yukari is commonly thought of to be all-out.
Since when? They use spellcards and danmaku after all.
>Reimu is replaceable
Except youkai were complaining about Reimu potentially dying prior to the creation of the spellcard rules, that's one of the reasons they were made.
>Mamizou lived for years on the Outside.
Yeah, one youkai.

>>16942598
Bullshit, Yukari lied to her since she thinks that her friends are in a conspiracy.

>>16942689
>>16942999
Reimu dying means the barrier goes poof, and then so do the youkai of Gensokyo, that's why they were so worried about her potential death and demanded something be made to protect her.

Also the reason Mamizou can come and go is specifically stated to be because people in the outside still believe in tanuki and even maintain shrines dedicated to them.

>>16943016
The shrine maiden has been replaced in the past, there's nothing conclusive we can draw.

>>16943020
Yeah because they got a descendants that continued on the tradition. If her death wasn't an issue then youkai wouldn't have complained about it.

>>16943025
Do you have any proof?

>>16943026
Read the spellcard rules article in PMiSS.

>>16943029
There's nothing backing up your claim, you are speculating because a youkai might've had a part in the rules. Show me specifically where Reimu passively has an effect on the barriers state.

>>16942818
>>16942828
Hair down evil Kosuzu is making my dick hard.

>>16943034
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Reimu_Hakurei
>The Hakurei shrine maidens manage the Great Hakurei Barrier and watch over Gensokyo.
>Gensokyo relies on the Hakurei Shrine and its shrine maidens to preserve the form it exists as today.
>As a result, no youkai oppose them.
>Due to her easygoing appearance, it's impossible to tell whether she realizes this or not, but the Hakurei shrine maidens really do have all of Gensokyo under their thumbs.
>Without a way for any youkai to defeat the Hakurei shrine maiden, many youkai felt that their meaning to exist had disappeared, but by taking some ground-breaking measures she solved this problem.
>That is, the introduction of the spell card rules.

>>16943051
Oh and
>At the same time, it became possible for youkai to freely defeat the shrine maiden without worrying about the consequences.

>>16943051
That does not say that its existence is passively reliant on Reimu, she might maintain it but Ran and Yukari also do that.
Your problem here is that your evidence is vague. We don't know if it's bound to her existence or she maintains it by maintaining the shrine.

>>16943058
?
Did you miss the part that Gensokyo relies on their role and thus no youkai opposed them? How they have Gensokyo in their thumbs? How ANY (i.e: even the strong ones) youkai couldn't beat her because of it and how the spellcard rules made it so that they don't have to worry about the ''consequences'' of defeating her?

>>16943069
That is vague, can you read? Do you have reading comprehension?
It says nothing about the barrier popping if Reimu goes, all we know is that she maintains the border through some means.
The shrine has various things bound to the border like various trees and the like, thus its possible that working there allows her to maintain it.
Reimu is specialized in all matters regarding barriers, losing her could also be like losing a member of your 3-man IT specialist team for all we know.

Maybe you'd be onto something if you knew the "consequences", but you don't.

>>16942442
Kosuzu deserves to be killed like the fortune teller but instead Reimu plans to save her. This is nepotism at its finest.

>>16943087
>It says nothing about the barrier popping if Reimu goes
It says youkai were afraid of fighting her because Gensokyo relies on her. Because she maintains the barrier, the one called ''Great Hakurei Barrier''.

So why would youkai be afraid of killing her if she was replaceable?

>losing her could also be like losing a member of your 3-man IT specialist team for all we know.
But there's nothing saying anything would be affected if Ran and Yukari died, meanwhile Reimu's existence is so important youkai were afraid of defeating her to the point where they straight up refused to fight her.
>Maybe you'd be onto something if you knew the "consequences", but you don't.
Akyuu straight up says them, again, she maintains the barrier, she says Gensokyo relies on her for it even to maintain its form, that's why no youkai opposed her and why they were afraid of killing her.

>>16943104
How is it nepotism if they are not related?

>>16943114
Nepotism also includes friends.

>>16943108
>It says youkai were afraid of fighting her because Gensokyo relies on her. Because she maintains the barrier, the one called ''Great Hakurei Barrier''.
>So why would youkai be afraid of killing her if she was replaceable?
You're going back to speculation, refer back to my comparison with IT-specialist, the problem in Gensokyo is that there's less IT specialist then you can count on your hand.
>But there's nothing saying anything would be affected if Ran and Yukari died, meanwhile Reimu's existence is so important youkai were afraid of defeating her to the point where they straight up refused to fight her.
This isn't proof of Yukari not being important for the border, it's proof that Reimu is however because she maintains it- which Yukari also does since she works on the border (and Ran does too.)
>Akyuu straight up says them, again, she maintains the barrier, she says Gensokyo relies on her for it even to maintain its form, that's why no youkai opposed her and why they were afraid of killing her.
You haven't made any argument that would prove that it would pop, like you claimed. You've only stated that she maintains the barrier, which we already agree on. You are speculating, not arguing.

Also, PMiSS is written by Akyuu, she isn't 100% infallible.

>>16943120
>You're going back to speculation, refer back to my comparison with IT-specialist,
That is not speculation, Akyuu says she maintains the barrier and thus is so important that youkai are afraid of killing her. In fact your ''IT specialist'' is the one that's 100% assumption because you have no proof that Yukari and Ran are even vital to the barrier as Reimu is stated to be.
>This isn't proof of Yukari not being important for the border,
There's no proof that she is, in fact she sleeps most of the time. All that Ran was said to do is check the barrier's sate, and it is damaged, hence the outsiders glitching into Gensokyo. If she did anything more than that, why would the barrier still be damaged?
>You haven't made any argument that would prove that it would pop, like you claimed. You've only stated that she maintains the barrier, which we already agree on
And that maintainment is so vital that youkai are afraid of killing her, why do you keep ignoring that part? The one that proves her importance which Yukari and Ran aren't mentioned to have? The one that shows she isn't replaceable (yet)?

New anon.
>>16943108
>So why would youkai be afraid of killing her if she was replaceable?
You're shifting the question. Being replaceable does not mean there aren't dramatic consequences for her death.

>But there's nothing saying anything would be affected if Ran and Yukari died, meanwhile Reimu's existence is so important youkai were afraid of defeating her to the point where they straight up refused to fight her.
Except they are youkai, not fleshy humans. They also work behind the scenes, whereas the Hakurei Shrine is the face of the Barrier. I don't necessarily agree with saying she is replaceable either, but your arguments are bad.

>Akyuu straight up says them, again, she maintains the barrier, she says Gensokyo relies on her for it even to maintain its form
Again, that doesn't mean that if Reimu died the Barrier would explode.

>>16943133
>sate
*state

>>16942689
>Flan have been eating?
Blood, you know, like vampires tend to drink.

I'll give you Rumia though, what DOES she eat?

>>16943120
>Also, PMiSS is written by Akyuu, she isn't 100% infallible.
This is also a bad and lazy argument in general. Please do not use this unless there is a good reason.

>>16943138
>You're shifting the question
I am not, it's the original point that was argued against. Also how is it not related? If she weren't vital then youkai shouldn't be afraid of killing her.
>Except they are youkai, not fleshy humans
So? They can die (as unlikely as it seems) and Akyuu explicitly mentions their involvement in the barrier so it's not something secret.
>Again, that doesn't mean that if Reimu died the Barrier would explode.
Akyuu said Gensokyo maintains its form because of Reimu and hence why youkai are afraid of killing her. I didn't say there's a timebomb connected to her heartbeat that would activate the moment she flatlines but Gensokyo and all youkai being at stake because of her death is something Akyuu made very clear.

>>16943133
>In fact your ''IT specialist'' is the one that's 100% assumption because you have no proof that Yukari and Ran are even vital to the barrier as Reimu is stated to be.
Not an argument, they are demonstrated to do work on the border according to your own source. Just because one thing is true for Reimu doesn't mean it isn't true for someone else.
>There's no proof that she is, in fact she sleeps most of the time. All that Ran was said to do is check the barrier's sate, and it is damaged, hence the outsiders glitching into Gensokyo. If she did anything more than that, why would the barrier still be damaged?
Yukari has been shown to ignore reparations in the barrier in earlier incidents, for example she does fix up the way into the Netherworld but she'll get around to it. Ran makes checkups on the border to keep watch for any increasing damage. Yukari also had part in the creation of the border and has knowledge that even Reimu does not have about it.

Reimu believes that Yukari can work on the border at least, and says this more then once in her scenario. "Reimu Hakurei, along with Marisa Kirisame, first met Yukari when she asked her to repair the border between the Netherworld and Gensokyo in Perfect Cherry Blossom. "

We don't have enough information for me to push an argument here without speculation, but humans glitching into Gensokyo might well be her design.

>And that maintainment is so vital that youkai are afraid of killing her, why do you keep ignoring that part? The one that proves her importance which Yukari and Ran aren't mentioned to have? The one that shows she isn't replaceable (yet)?
Because the argument is about "Reimu dying means the barrier goes poof" and how we don't know if this is the consequence, you have been going off purely on maybes. There are consequences of her death, but we don't know what those are.

>>16942910
And to think Commodore Perry is treated as a vile monster in jap media

>>16943177
>Not an argument, they are demonstrated to do work on the border according to your own source.
Yes but there's nothing stating their importance, unlike Reimu.
> Just because one thing is true for Reimu doesn't mean it isn't true for someone else.
Assumption, there's nothing stating it's important for anyone else even though they are stated to be related to the barrier's management.

>Yukari has been shown to ignore reparations in the barrier in earlier incidents, for example she does fix up the way into the Netherworld but she'll get around to it
That's her usual carefree attitude.

>Reimu believes that Yukari can work on the border at least
Oh that's a given, that is what's known about Yukari's role in the barrier. But this is about the shrine maintaining the barrier today, it is said the shrine isn't even inside Gensokyo (rather, in the border between it and the outside world) giving it even more relevance to the maintenance of the barrier.

> but humans glitching into Gensokyo might well be her design.
Considering it's stated that she sleeps nearly all the time, it seems more that she doesn't think it's a big deal and is lazy about it.
>Because the argument is about "Reimu dying means the barrier goes poof" and how we don't know if this is the consequence, you have been going off purely on maybes
Gensokyo's form relying on her is explicitly written as the reason why youkai fear her death. That is the consequence. That's why Akyuu says that Reimu has Gensokyo under her thumb, even if she doesn't seem like it. Like I said that's not to say there's a bomb attached to her heartrate that will go off the moment she flatlines but her being vital to Gensokyo and its fantasy inhabitants' existence is made pretty clear. It's not like anyone fears Ran dying for example.

>>16943233
>Yes but there's nothing stating their importance, unlike Reimu.
And we don't know what makes Reimu important other then that she maintains the barrier, if she wasn't there Yukari has still been assumed by the one who fucking maintains the thing to be able to fix it.
>Gensokyo's form relying on her is explicitly written as the reason why youkai fear her death. That is the consequence. That's why Akyuu says that Reimu has Gensokyo under her thumb, even if she doesn't seem like it. Like I said that's not to say there's a bomb attached to her heartrate that will go off the moment she flatlines but her being vital to Gensokyo and its fantasy inhabitants' existence is made pretty clear. It's not like anyone fears Ran dying for example.
Take Yukari and Reimu out of the equation and there would be almost nobody who could do anything to the barrier except maybe Ran and Kasen. You have yet to prove that the barriers existence is directly linked to Reimu, and not what she does.

Let me put it clearly: Can you tell me where they say that the barrier will be destroyed if Reimu is removed from the equation? No? Because they never say that in PMiSS or anywhere else for that matter.

>>16943177
isn't the damage to the barrier recent? if it was planned then it should've been there since the beginning.

also iirc the damage related to the barrier in PCB is a different one that fixes itself according to Akyuu.

>>16943152
>I'll give you Rumia though, what DOES she eat?
According to Aya's interview, she doesn't really bother hunting humans much and is too unmotivated to care. She's probably sustained on fear.

Akyuu was the one who said she eats humans anyway. Reimu brought up the topic of eating people in her fight with her. Rumia never said anything like that to Marisa and arguably was just shittalking Reimu based on what Reimu said..

Evil Suzy is my wife.

>>16943242
>according to Akyuu.

>>16943241
>And we don't know what makes Reimu important other then that she maintains the barrier,
But that importance is enough to make youkai fear her death, unlike say, Ran.
>You have yet to prove that the barriers existence is directly linked to Reimu, and not what she does.
Because if it was just what she does then nobody would fear her death since they could just replace her.
>Can you tell me where they say that the barrier will be destroyed if Reimu is removed from the equation?
Yes? I've stated it multiple times:
Gensokyo relies on the Hakurei Shrine and its shrine maidens to preserve the form it exists as today.
This is why youkai fear her dying but not Ran or Yukari.

>>16943255
>But that importance is enough to make youkai fear her death, unlike say, Ran.
Which tells us nothing of what would happen.
>Because if it was just what she does then nobody would fear her death since they could just replace her.
-"-
>Gensokyo relies on the Hakurei Shrine and its shrine maidens to preserve the form it exists as today. This is why youkai fear her dying but not Ran or Yukari.
You have yet to prove that the barriers state is linked to her existence, you can keep reiterating if you want but it won't prove anything. Nor that the barrier would go poof. I asked you to tell me where they say that the barrier would be destroyed if Reimu was removed, it simply says that her death would have consequences and that she maintains the barrier- which isn't necessarily different from repairing it.

>>16943243
>she doesn't really bother hunting humans much
So she does hunt humans.
>Akyuu was the one who said she eats humans anyway
Is there an issue?
>was just shittalking Reimu based on what Reimu said..
I highly doubt that, especially since it's already stated she eats humans.

>>16943273
>So she does hunt humans.
Not really. Even what I said was an embellishment
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Rumia
She just uses the "attacking humans is a youkai's work" excuse for why she does nothing all day and then Aya points out that she doesn't even do that much. She doesn't say anything about eating them, so presumably she'd do as much as youkai who "abduct" people.

>Is there an issue?
Yeah. It wasn't mentioned in her profile, she doesn't bring it up against humans(Like I said, it was Reimu who talked about eating humans), and so Akyuu is the only one who ever said that, and even then only as a footnote without a lick of evidence. While she might *potentially* eat humans being a youkai, it's dubious as to if she actually does. She's have to put effort into hunting them first anyway.

>since it's already stated she eats humans.
It wasn't stated at that point. It was only ever in PMiSS, Reimu told her to eat humans that Reimu had a problem with.

>>16942637
I just want to remind you that strict rules are there not only to protect miko's cute little butt from any yokai going all out, but also to give weaker yokai a chance against stronger ones. In normal fight, small fry like Rumia probably will be eviscerated in a matter of seconds if she goes against anyone serious.
While fighting each other isn't exactly what yokai want to do naturally, I don't think it's impossible to plant "fighting is more fun than hunting humans" thought into at least less intelligent yokai. Especially in heaven of social engineering that is Gensokyo.
You should have understood by now that Gensokyo is illustration of how world needs rules to exist and prosper.

Actually, this just now gave me an idea - what if Yukari/whoever else are planning to stage a mock revolution? Curated, safe revolution to blow steam out of humans? You know, that sort when people think they achieved something while they are still at same position, just blinded by some flashy fights and words. Lulling Gensokyo's "energy generators" into false sense of victory and safeness may be useful for yokai in general.

>>16942442
Could he have saved her?

>>16943329
>In normal fight, small fry like Rumia probably will be eviscerated in a matter of seconds if she goes against anyone serious.
Why would that matter? It's not like she'd die from being eviscerated.

>Lulling Gensokyo's "energy generators" into false sense of victory and safeness may be useful for yokai in general.
If humans do not fear the youkai, the youkai will cease to exist. That and shrine maidens hitting them with spiritual based attacks are the only real threats to youkai.

>>16943319
>Not really. Even what I said was an embellishment
She does, she says attacking humans is a youkai's job, don't try to pretend she doesn't. In fact she said that humans don't even let her attack them as of late.
>Yeah. It wasn't mentioned in her profile
So? There's a lot of things that aren't brought up in profiles that Akyuu brings up, that's the point of the encyclopedia, to teach more about the characters.
>she doesn't bring it up against humans(Like I said, it was Reimu who talked about eating humans)
Meaning she knows she's a youkai eater just like Akyuu points out.
>and so Akyuu is the only one who ever said that, and even then only as a footnote without a lick of evidence
So you're saying Akyuu's lying?

You sound really desperate to make it seem like she doesn't eat humans, dismissing Akyuu and claiming she must be joking in eosd. There's more points aiming at her being a human eater than there are not, seriously, using the fact that she doesn't talk about it to Marisa to prove she doesn't eat?

>>16943329
what's this ''going all out'' meme I keep reading? Did you forget that Reimu beat up youkai without the spellcard rules back then when she was so weak she couldn't even fly and later beat the goddess creator of Makai who wanted her dead for defeating her maid?

>>16943359
here's a pity (you). You really are trying hard.

>>16943364
Oh I'm the one trying hard, not you who claims Akyuu must be incorrect and that Rumia must be joking in EoSD.

>>16943344
The Great Barrier was built after Japan opened its frontiers

>>16943319
>youkai
>YOUKAI
>doesnt eat humans
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
SoLfags are fucking cancer.

>>16943417
I mean surely, lorewise, Tsukumogamis and many other sustain themselves on fear alone, but to say that it was applicable to the whole population of many differing Youkais, then its really retarded. Even Kappas in the mangas make numerous mention of eating/collecting anusballs, which needed to be extracted from humans.

Again, SoLfags needs to getout of their hugbox bubble and stop contradicting canon materials.

>>16943379
But if he knew? Would he have saved her.

>>16943533
He's been dead for around 150 when it happened, so I doubt it, unless Yuyuko does something about it

>>16942442
>I thought Gensokyo was supposed to be a Paradise.
You're fucking stupid, and probably a filthy secondary too.

>>16942442
>I thought Gensokyo was supposed to be a Paradise.
Who told you that, the Youkai?

>>16943432
Kappas are a bad example, since in the Touhouverse they can sustain themselves with salt. Not part of this argument, I'm just saiyan.

>>16942442
>I thought Gensokyo was supposed to be a Paradise.

One of the very first ZUN CD's is called Dolls in Pseudo Paradise for a reason you fool

When will Reimu stop being a species traitor and liberate humanity?

>>16944551
Are you to tell me that the lazy, money-hungry, murder-happy Reimu isn't the ``Shrine Maiden of Paradise'' after all?!

>>16944486
They can, not they must.
checkmate atheist

>>16945088
>species traitor
>keeps ruining youkai plots every incident and kills actual human traitors like the fortune teller
???

Byakuren should have died too.

>>16945869
>Byakuren should have died too.
go away Miko, Taoism is garbage.

>>16943152
Processed human is still human. I doubt her sweets are full of tengu blood.

>>16945896
do we know this happens post spellcards rules and isn't just how their life was prior to their (then) recent arrival in Gensokyo?

>>16945129
ZUN lying yet again.

>>16945909
As a matter of fact, we do. In the fighting games, Remilia asks Yukari to get her some more humans. Gee, I wonder what a mansion of youkai and vampires would be doing with those.

>>16945869
She's Yukari's pawn to keep order in gensokyo if any youkai get out of line. She's doing it for the order the youkai enforce, not for humans.

The humans are literal cattle, they don't even have a choice. Also Byakuren doesn't have any agendas like Yukari and Reimu so I don't see any reason for her to be purged.

>>16942442
>this goddamn thread again
OP, you just hate reimu

>>16945975
>Also Byakuren doesn't have any agendas like Yukari and Reimu so I don't see any reason for her to be purged.
It's a youkai, that sounds like a good enough reason to me to have it purged five minutes ago

>>16946099
I don't know anon. If she spared Kosuzu she proves herself a hypocrite.

>>16943344
Would have destroyed the barrier to be honest

>>16946099
different anon but:
>implying reimu isn't a shit

>>16946099
>>16946990
Who quote?

Kosuzu is possessed by the ghost of the Fortune Teller, who wants to exact revenge on Reimu!

>>16943344

He's indirectly the reason why the barrier had to be made in the first place.

>>16946990

Reimu is a pro-fairy Shrine Maiden. Under her reign, no fairies have needlessly been bullied and its safer for them to perform a spellcard duel in an incident than it is to wander in the Human Village. If you don't support Reimu, you hate fairies.

And children. Reimu is also about keeping the children safe too. Think of the children!

>>16947144
Reimu is getting around that age to have some children too if you know what I mean.

>>16942442
>Why is it that when Villagers rebel it's always because they took a glimpse of the outside world.
They want all those snacks 'n goodies.

>>16947541
They saw the hentai colletion of Kasen and wanted it all.

>>16947126
America:1 Youkai:0

>>16947677
Reminder America>Lunarians as well, one of these days i'm gonna save that pic of neil armstrong gunning down the moon bunnies.

I don't get how some people can come to the conclusion that Reimu is irreplaceable

It should be:
How old is the barrier? (130 years)
How old is Reimu? (Less than 130 years)

Replacing the shrine maiden is an established, precedented procedure.

>>16947686

Death to Lunaria, glory to Yukari

>>16947688
Clones m8 clones, its all reimu all the way down.
blame bullshit youkai magic.

>>16947706
Possibly, or Yukari has a bunch of shrine maiden eggs and some ideal youkai hunter sperm in a gap freezer - barrier doesn't collapse instantly with Reimu being out of the picture at least

>>16947694

Part 2

>>16947712
But shrines maidens have died in the line of duty

Hakurei lineage revealed when? Reimus existence is pretty depressing, no wonder shes never motivated and is always lazy.

Those who betray others will, in turn, be betrayed in turned.

>>16943369
PMiSS is unreliable.

Read Stramge Creators in Outer World if you want a good source.

>>16942442
Why don't Youkai mate with Humans?

>>16948879
Why would you mate with your lunch?

>>16948889
I mean Youkai are worried about being extinct. Why not mate with humans to preserve thw bloodline?

>>16948879
Sanae_breeding_plan.zip

>>16948029
>PMiSS is unreliable.
Unreliable if you like cherry-picking and generally don't want to use your brain to think about context and how character knowledge colors text. People who use this flimsy excuse are actually just dumb.

>>16948879
Rinnosuke's parents did?

0 confirmed kills

>>16948889
>Why would you mate with your lunch?
If you were basically a cannibal, why not? You would just eat a fish youkai or a rabbit youkai or a bird youkai that looked like a cute girl and not even consider fucking it first?

Well Kosuzu is probably just possessed by the scroll or something and Yukari is going to use Reimu to get rid of it so the likes of Mamizou don't get their hands on it

>>16948902
An excellent suggestion. Half youkai with human souls could exist in the mortal plane indefinitely without any faith/fear requirements. Pretty sure vampires don't need that to exist anyway, but nonetheless I volunteer to be flan's lover.

>>16949063

Kosuzu is a good girl

I bet she was trying to safely store or dispose of the scroll when the youkai inside sensed danger and made a desperation possession attempt.

>>16949183
While this seemed like the most likely scenario, please ZUN, its been 5 years. Let have something exciting for once.

>>16949183
my theory is that Yukari told Kosuzu that everyone is after the scroll and that she should bring it to her and she'll destroy it along with the youkai energy around Kosuzu to save her. but Yukari didn't tell Kosuzu how she planned to do it, so she told Suzer to read it or fall asleep or something. The scroll posesses her and feeds off her inner turmoil. Reimu has to choose what to do and purifies her and destroys the scroll. Kosuzu is saved, Mamizou doesn't get what she wants, Yukari's plan comes close to disaster but succeeds, and everyone gets together for one big final laugh at the first flower viewing of the spring (same party from VFiS, FS is a season behind at the moment)

FS seems like a series built on misdirection and red herrings and I think there's a few hints that it's not quite Kosuzu herself going apeshit especially considering her conclusions from the previous chapter.

>>16942587
Hey everyone. I'm back, and once again - it's really bad comedia that you should say that! You want a cherry on top - is that so?? Na no ka, and don't call someone son old boy if you can't find your own self interest with one hand and an analogue map.
>The mirror world you were offered waits in pockets of calm amidst tempestuous temporal toxic ruin
>Let's be EVA archaeologist's.
>Suit up!
>Recharge The Gauntlet you ring tossing horseshoe playing neo contrarian backstabbing imbecile

>>16947876
PC-98 Reimu a cute!

>>16948889

That goes both ways though: Mystia is human-edible and since youkai animals have regeneration they would be a good thing to slice pieces off of to feast on.

>>16948879
They do. Kitsune, Yuki Onna, and other youkai are commonly believed to mate and procreate with humans. And since youkai act according to those beliefs...
>>16948889
Why not? Human bodies (or at least male ones) get flooded with all kinds of hormones when faced with lethal danger, and this includes ones related to sexual activity. Since youkai are very often fully-functional sentient creatures, it isn't much of a stretch that they would be subject to the same impulses as humans after whom they are shaped. This perhaps going doubly for animal-descended youkai.

I'm not saying they would do it to comfort the hypothetical trapped male, but they could certainly get aroused, and sex and food have often been connected in psychology anyway. I've always liked how Hakika handled it in this doujin:
https://exhentai.org/g/389167/39a52352e8/
Of course, Yamame is canonically one of the nicest youkai around, so her handling of the situation may be a little bit kinder than most.

>>16943344
>Open Gensokyo.
>Stop having it be closed.

>>16948987
But they were both killed when everyone found out

>>16948987
Was Rinnosuke the product of a youkai and a human or did he become half youkai at some point? (and what particular type of youkai)

It's interesting how we never hear of Rinnosuke's past. CoLA gave us a small hint of Marisa's, but we never anything about Rinnosuke other than his ramblings.

>>16951386
Rinnosuke is a product of a human and a Youkai. They were killed when they were found out

>>16951415
nice headcanon

>>16951482
Then explain were is his youkai parent?

Daily reminder that Humanity Fuck Yea is mental illness.

>>16951636
>t. youkai
Go back to the hole you crawled from

>>16948961
No. Strange Creators of Outer World is legitimately from ZUN's point of view and entirely what actually happens in Gensokyo.

>>16951636
>self-preservation is a mental illness
Spoken like a true cuck.

Reminder that magic in the outside world is canon and powers transfer 1:1 across the barrier.

Additionally, strong youkai appear to not even give a heck whether they are inside Gensokyo's fantasy-reality barrier that supposedly helps youkai live.

>>16948889
This man has clearly never made love to ramen noodles.

>>16947694
this anon understands

>>16951676
Youkai and humans are equal. To say one is better than the another is a mental illness

>>16951846
>Youkai and humans are equal
Remind me which one became nearly extinct the second the other stopped believing in fairy tales and actually went and understood the natural world by himself again.

What would a Lunarian/Human Hybrid look like?

>>16951962
Like a really pompous human.

>>16951415
>>16951587

>no sources cited

>>16952113

Rinnosuke is so ancient that his human parent is most likely dead. There's nothing known about his youkai parent, although I don't suspect they would be punished. Was it even confirmed that Rinnosuke was even birthed in Gensokyo? Either way Rinnosuke hasnt ran into any trouble with the youkai police.

>>16952612
He probably isn't that old, since he worked as an apprentice in Marisa's dad's shop.

>>16952687
We don't know how old Rinnosuke was when he was doing this. He was born outside of Gensokyo and has lived a long time before the barrier was put up.

>>16951676
What does that word even mean in this context?

>>16953634
That he should fuck off back to his board of origin instead of shitting up the place

>>16948889
Where does this edgy all-youkai-eat-humans shit come from?

>>16957548
Actual japanese folklore?

>>16951685
well yeah, there's enough belief in shit like tanuki that youkai like Mamizou can move at will. There's probably some Bigfoot youkai in America and shit.

A youkai like Kyouko can't survive though because her existence relies on people not understanding science. Kanako and Suwakp had to pack up and move too

it's essentially a nature preserve for endangered species

>>16957575
>All instances of youkai in Japanese folklore eat humans
Nope

>>16957643
Yea you got a buncha stories where you got youkai wives and even halfbreed kids getting involved in em.

>>16943359
>So you're saying Akyuu's lying?
Absolutely not out of the question, considering what we know of her and the methods with and reasons for the Gensokyo Chronicle is written.

>>16957799
>Yea you got a buncha stories where you got youkai wives and even halfbreed kids getting involved in em.
This.

There is tremendous variety when it comes to folklore and the youkai involved, which it why it's dumb when people to reduce it to just eating humans.

>>16957799
but would Yukari and Reimu allow it?

>>16958490
Rinnosuke still exists, doesn't he?

>>16958662
Grandfather clause

>>16951671
The post wasn't about the validity of information from SCoOW, anon.

>>16959614
It is now

>>16951962
a Nietzschean superman

>>16951962
That racist McDonald's moon man.

>>16958068
Anon. I don't think rape and eating them count as consent

>>16958068
Then why is there so few human mix with youkai

>>16957799
You think zun will include sme of them in his stories or games?

>>16966697

Yes as corpses in Reimu's basement in Forbidden Scrollery

>>16966712
Why would she killed them?

>>16951243
What would be Yukari's reply?

>>16966697
Most of em are so old they died of old age at this point. Halfbreeds last a long time but not as long as a regular youkai after all.

>>16957799
Source on this stories

>>16942999
>rare occurrences
outsiders are really not rare

>>16943025
Actually from how Aya's talked it sounds like the youkai can select the shrine maiden and that it's not necessarily a matter of descendants/family. I forget where precisely she said such a thing though.

>>16951962
Lunarians are humans so...human.

>>16984915
She said it in SSiB, when Reimu didn't come back from the moon.

>>16951962

>>16976151
But satori is a aunt

>>16987822
But how old is he? That might just be a regular satori (but male)

>>16988789
The satori race is all but extinct. Only Satori and Koishi remained.

>>16984915
>>16985381
I think you're reading too much into that.

>>16991079
It's possible there's a deeper meaning and also that there isn't. It could easily just be a quip, or something else. The editor for Who's Who in SCoOW also mentions that this line is mysterious.

>>16991674
Could also be that this has occured once in times past

>>16976051
Fuck off we're full

>>16947694
>>16947716
If America and the Moon actually fought a war, who would win?

>>16997854
Without nukes, Moonbitches. With nukes, we'd give them a nice slap on the ass but ultimately retreat because space warfare is difficult and resource heavy.

>>16997979
The moonbitches would probably give up once they realized the we have the capability to vaporize major cities

>>16998807
>>16997979
If this was 2100s humanity (Music CD future) then we'd have a better chance then currently.
Future humanity (Yumemi and Co.) would stomp easy peasy tho

>>16997979
They have a hand held device that can basically act as a mini nuke, and warriors that can react to things at the speed of light. Hell, they have terraforming, something that we are far away from having. I don't think Nukes are going to help us as much as you seem to believe that they will, especially given their level of technology.

>>17000657
The problem is that much of them are localized in one city, and any single Lunarian that dies ends up spreading a pandemic of death to the others.

It could be a mutually assured destruction scenario, for sure.

>>17000679
Perhaps, however I have a hard time imagining anyone bypassing their defenses without magic or technology that's advanced enough to emulate magic to some degree.

>>17000657
> They have a hand held device that can basically act as a mini nuke

And so does America, the Cobalt Bomb.

> and warriors that can react to things at the speed of light

Nice, we respond with Tesla Cannons, which fry things even at the speed of light.

>>17000690

You have to realize, anon.
In the Touhou world, all Myths are real, and the West has the Man on the Moon for the specific reason of Moon-based Life Forms attacking Earth.

America (read, the west) has an inside man to plant the dirty bomb.
The plague of death spreads in the Lunarian city.
Everything else just goes in America's favor.

>>17001082
Just imagine
>some company is trying to get moon vacations off the ground
>an accident causes the test rocket to explode on the moon
>lunarians immediately declare war and blow up a city or two
>"are you sure this was a good idea"
>lol, they're primitives what're they gonna do, blow up th-"
>before they even finish half the moon is gone and the rest is unliveable because radiation

>>16987822
sauce?

>>16942536
>How is Gensokyo not a paradise?
It definitely isn't /out/-friendly.

>>17001082
>the Cobalt Bomb
Yeah, and the moon can achieve the same affect and more with a god damned paper fan.

>we respond with Tesla Cannons
Science Fiction, and real "Tesla Cannons" aren't actually used in the military for a very good reason.

>all Myths are real
Incorrect. It took the power of a moon goddess to make certain myths (as seen during the occult orb incident) real, which implies that just being a thing that some people believe in isn't enough to make that thing real in the way that people think that it is.

Honestly this just sounds like some typical /k/ military might masturbation session, so I'll leave you to it.

>>17002258
We do have rail guns though, impractical that the costs are since every time we use the damn thing the barrel melts.

>>17002258
The myths in the occult orb incident were too weak, made up by literal children, that's why they were weak. Moonbitch wank is retarded.

>>17003794
Rail Guns =/= Tesla Cannons.
But yeah like you said Railguns cost an arm and a leg, and are more of a theoretical thing at this point than a practical weapon. Sure, it's feasible to use them, but we're in no position to just fire off Railguns at whoever.

>>17003801
It is pretty retarded.
But nowhere near as retarded as militaryfags trying to come up with reasons why our military could beat fictional characters that are at a clear advantage.
>Hey! If this advanced civilization acts in a very specific way, and lets us set up these specific things, we could totally kill them!
You guys are more obnoxious than those idiots who used to take the "Batman with preptime beats everything" joke too seriously.

>>17001082
>In the Touhou world, all Myths are real
Shit, if that's the case why not just send Mothman up there? Tons of people on the outside believe in him and he can cause disasters just by existing

>>17005735
Haven't you read all of the interviews? Zun has said multiple times you're supposed to be actually capable of beating the games.

>>17005765
What do you mean?

>>17005784
Putting Mothman in the game inplies you would fight him, fighting him implies you can defeat him.

>>17005805
So what you're saying is Reimu can't beat Mothman? Endure

>>17005374

You have never heard of Project MARAUDER, apparently, a weaponized Tesla Cannon (the correct name for Tesla's otherwise defensive so-called 'Death Ray').
Guess what, every known test outperformed expectations.
The project ended up going on to become Project 'MOONBUSTER', supposedly able to destroy the Moon in a single shot as the US' backup in case someone else weaponized the Moon.
Anon, this is one of the most common (and believable) military conspiracy theories in the world, along side AURORA.
Mutually Assured Destruction is Humanity's strongest point; remember, there is no requirement for Humanity to be stronger than the Lunarians to defeat them, simply to be strong enough to make every outcome a lose condition for the Lunarians.
What is truly retarded is trying to warp history and reality (to include the legends that are told) to contort to your view of x and y, when it has not been laid out in canon (yet).

>>17008171
>Implying simian warfare can affect us.
The arrogance!

>>17008171
It doesn't say anything about blowing up the moon on wikipedia though

>>16942637
>Can't eat humans
The most recent demo disc has a youkai declaring her intent to kill Reimu and use her flesh to survive the winter. Granted, she didn't know who Reimu was, but it doesn't sound like she is stranger to human flesh.

>>17008810

Wikipedia isn't an encyclopedia of military conspiracy theories, though.
Guessing from the anon's post, Moonbuster is the Conspiracy, Marauder is the ('confirmed') fact.

>>17008171
If it exceeded all expectations then how did they test it without blowing up the planet? checkmate athiests

>>17009080
It was a joke post.

>I thought Gensokyo was supposed to be a Paradise

It is, if you aren't a human. That's kind of the point of Gensokyo.

>>17002258
Just remember Humanity Fuck Yea is mental disorder.

/tg/ is cancer

>>17011980
t. assmad moonbitch

>>17008891
Was it Nemuno? She also immediately accepted that Cirno was the lord of Gensokyo just to get her to leave the mountain. I didn't care to translate anything but brown fairy's story, but from what I've seen of her personality, she very well could have been bluffing.

>>17012159
T.filthy monkey with delusion of grandeur

>>17020252
t. also canonically a monkey, because lunarians and humans are almost identical

i want /tg/ to stay

>>17008171
project pluto on the moon when?

>>17005735
Because maybe he's actually real.

>>17026928
Well either way he'd be real, either he existed since the beginning or through people's belief in him, doesn't really make a difference

>>17011980
>Trying to preserve your race is a Mental Disorder.
Youkai deserve nothing more than outright Extermination.

Mima is possessing Kozusu through the scroll.
All this is just an elaborate scheme for Yukari to get rid of the feeling in her bones, one and for all.

>>17035300
Yukari will rise to my top favorites if this was the case.

FS final chapter spoilers

>>17021572
>Humans are so desperate to be superior they are willing to lie to themselves.
You probably think the Moon landing was some sort of achievement

Lunarians And moon rabbits master race

>>17051027
delet this

>>16949242

>>17052921
Luna speak the truth

>>16942482
fuck off raidou, demifiend is ten times better than you

>>17011020
It's more the equivalent of a wildlife sanctuary but for youkai, gods, and cryptids than anything else. Reimu's the Beautiful Park Ranger of Paradise.

>>17061625
Youkai should go extinct

>>17070526
But why tho. Most of them are still better humans than most humans.

>>17070791
>not human
>better humans

>>17071557
>Humans
>anything but inferior to Youkai

My bones...

>>17075451
>youkai need humans to even exist, let alone survive
>not inferior to humans or, by that matter, any living being in the natural world

>>16942818
>>16942828
Is it a nurarihyon?

>>17075516
Humanity could never defeat Youkai in Battle. when did tried try, They were BTFO. And its a well known that Human Girls do prefer Big Youkai Cock over their males anyday2.

>>17081149
Remind me who exactly was driven to near extinction and forced to crawl back in the hole it came from again

>>17075471
What is Kozuzu or what's left of her saying?
>>17076761
Nurarihyon is a pretty deal of a youkai so I doubt it.

>>16942999
>Except youkai were complaining about Reimu potentially dying prior to the creation of the spellcard rules, that's one of the reasons they were made.

Where dem sauces on this?

>>16943246
Your wife is evil my dude.

>>16947694
>>16947716
A Doom mod on the moon vs Lunarians would be great. Fisting rabbits to bloody pulps! Jamming the chainsaw into Yorihime's guts and stuffing the wound with grenades!

>>17081655

Yes, Junko must collect their heads.

Also I don't understand why people think the moon is even good Kaguya says the moon is losing the war against humanity/ humanity's technology is far more dangerous than they expected in the .txt of IN.

>>17081202
Well, it's a night parade and all. Plus, they said it was a really powerful yokai in it.

>>17082429
If we ever get a Nura I want it to be in a game, she's supposed to be the leader of youkai afterall.

>reimu can open gaps now
god damn it ZUN, what the shit, stop adding retarded crap in FS.

>>17085551
She was gapping across the sceen in IN, SA and DS, also she has similar powers in the fighting games.

>>17085555
+ it's really fucking cute

>>17085551
Stop being a secondary.

>>17085555
Wasn't Yukari helping her then?

Yukari did nothing wrong

>>17005805
Utusho is a bit like Mothman.

>>17052921
Are you sure this isn't an episode of the Boondocks?

>>17091342
Only arguably in SA, but she never needed Yukari's help for that so it doesn't even matter.

>>17095527
>Lampades are responsible for nigga moments.