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>>16938233
That's not the latest Elona CU retard.

>>16938399
>retard this retard that

Must be the same anon still butthurt that there are people that can play the game without save scumming. How you doing buddy? Can't wait for your easy toggle to come out?

>>16938532
What are you actually on about you stupid fucking faggot? The latest CU is 1.67.2

>>16938539
Don't worry anon. Your easy toggle is coming soon! CU 1.67 is just a basic port.

>>16938548
Okay autistic dickhead, if that helps you cope with your fuck up, whatever you say.

Oh boy. The thread has just started and already we're flaming about save-scumming again.

>>16938664
Yeah, the OP should probably never make an attempt at anything ever again.

Hi guys. I just received a black angel from worshipping Lulwy, is there an easy way to get her up to speed with me and my other pets (around level 23)? I don't want her to be hanging around with a big level discrepancy and dying all the time.

>>16938717
The slaver at Derphy sells leveled pets (around lvl15 or more) which you can gene engineer to your black angel to lessen the level gap.

>>16938717
Slave trader, but just levels won't do all that much. Gotta have them stats. She might gain some if you incrementally level her with things from the slave trader but that's about it.
Best bet it to put everyone else away for a while and babysit her until she's got good gear and can fuck everything up.

What exactly is there to do in the game? Any longterm goals or stuff to achive?

>>16938717
Give her the best gear you have, allow her to kill enemies before your other guys do and she will catch up fast (Ive seen several levels per kill when the enemies were far higher)

You could do an easy dungeon or two with just her and leave the others home, feeding her all the time to see stats skyrocket

>>16939724
There's a story with three continents to play through.

>>16939724
You can do whatever you want anon, the world is your oyster.

The longterm goal I suppose would be beating the main story dungeons and their associated quests. Maybe also to defeat all the optional bosses, gods, and gods inside the gods.

But you can just farm, genetically engineer cute girls, build shops, design homes, do rgen and fixed quests, work all sorts of jobs and raise all sorts of different creatures and characters for however long you want.

It's so much better than ADOM

Whoever is maintaining the pastebins(Tengai?) can you add my updated martial arts guide and pet guide to the first pastebin linked? Thanks in advance.

Martial Arts Guide by Kai:
https://pastebin.com/z3QZ93zV

Pet Guide by Kai:
https://pastebin.com/drP1iuz1

>>16932244
Living weapons level up differently now. Instead of getting a menu where you choose a category of enchant and sometimes get a random enchant within that category, the choices are fixed. Left picture shows the only menu that pops up when I go to level my living weapon. I will get this same menu with the same choices each time I level the living weapon.

The exact list of enchant choices can change somewhat between two different living weapons though as demonstrated in the right side of the picture. However, once that list has been made those choices will be the only ones you can make as you level up the living weapon.

I don't really know what the equipment attributes displayed remains 8 thing means. My stab in the dark of the meaning might be that it's referring to the menu I'm talking about. The +4 bonus seems to be a constant with all living weapon choices but the other 8 can be randomized. So the 8 are the randomized choices that have been buffed to increase by +4 instead of +2 when chosen.

Right off the bat I can already tell that you can't make resist sticks anymore. At least, not resist sticks with all sorts of resists anymore. I suppose you can make a resist stick but it will be of only one resist type and it will be really good for that one resist.

They did increase the chance of a godly enchant showing up on living weapons before leveling it so that's good. Maybe see more time stop enchants on them. The only thing I would want then is for the stars to align and allow said timestop living weapon to come with magic damage as a choice.

>>16940643
>>Right off the bat I can already tell that you can't make resist sticks anymore. At least, not resist sticks with all sorts of resists anymore. I suppose you can make a resist stick but it will be of only one resist type and it will be really good for that one resist.

>>16940643
Just to clarify, you get the exact same menu for a given weapon every time it levels?

>>16940695
Like for the left side of my picture. I can choose fire resist for all 15 levels of that living weapon. I would be pretty fire resistant with said living weapon.

It seems you will only be given one resist that you can add to the weapon. For me, I would hope that resist would either be in sound(get enough and you'll be dim immune), mind(get enough and you'll be immune to going insane), or magic(resist is the catch all as it provides some damage resistance against all spells regardless of their element).

>>16940698
Yes

What's up with the ''It's too unfair to equip'' flag? I read that some items have it, and a guy on the 1.67 thread on the wiki said using kits on powerful gear can add it to them. Now I am afraid

I just got to 1.67, whats the best way to raise attribute potentials other than potions of potential? I used to hotload them from a magic vendor but no longer can. Also, I still don't really understand the new potential mechanics changes and if they are better or worse.

>>16940719
To add, I already have a farm with 4 statues for herb in foods but it still doesnt seem to be enough.

Is there a workaround that lets me savescum 5ever yet?

>>16940716
That sound silly

>>16940737
You can still alt+F4

>>16938233
When are the sprites in the mod pasta gonna be updated?

>>16940716
>>16940742
><Sacrifice Tonfa>
>In patches after the addition of the Artifact fusion system, when attempting to equip the weapon, you will get the message It's too unfair to equip. This seems to be linked to a certain amount of damage or hit bonus allowed per item, unrelated to the skills or other attributes added to the item.

>Word of caution: Be careful about using craft repair kits on your better gears; it seems to have the nasty habit of triggering the "it's too unfair to equip" flag if they're particularly powerful to begin with.

What even are craft repair kits

>>16940766
They increase the enchantment level on your weapons or armor up to +15.

>>16940716
>anti "cheater" balance changes that are both unnecessary, unasked for, and now they are just breaking things and stopping me from using my equipment
I'm having the exact opposite of comfy gaming now.
Why add things that don't actually add things to the game other than stopping people from playing a single player game how they want all because of a vocal minority who proudly exclaim they're cheating?
At this rate just keeping backup save files for in case of corruptions is going to be "cheating" not to mention everything else that's going to break along the way
I'm switching back to an earlier stable until this is all sorted out.

>>16940802
To be fair, I believe the "it's too unfair" flag was added way in the past, as I believe there was an exploit where you could get weapons and armours with huge hit and damage bonuses. Thanks to the new stuff though, it's coming back for regular items too. I'm not sure if this is accurate, but it has been in the game for a while now.

>>16940643
So it's the same menu every time? Now this is fucking stupid. I could understand if the options changed each level, but this shit means that living weapons are only good for bulking up huge amounts on literally one type of enchantment. And because artefact fusion doesn't work on living weapons anymore, they're pieces of junk now unless you're lucky enough to stack just magic damage or the resists you mentioned.

Ano, fix your fucking game.

>>16940854
That would explain a lot. Still I'll wait for these issues to be sorted out.

>>16940802
Gear possibly becoming unequippable from simply enchanting it is a big oversight that needs to be resolved

They should have removed that flag in the first place, you can't have insane numbers and gods inside gods and at the same time retain mechanics to punish the player for ''cheesing''

>>16940643
So on top of the rarity of living weapons, you will have to pray they have an effect list that might be useful to your character?

Is 1.67 even real? The download on the E+ jp wiki is for 1.66 and all the links are dead or just link to 1.66

>>16940878
They're much more common now.

>>16940879
I think some of us are pretending it isn't real anyway.

>>16940866
Yeah. It's why the sacrifice tonfa suffers from it, the hit and armour bonuses are higher then your typical gear.

>>16940878
>>16940894
As a previous guy said though, 0 * 5 is still 0. They're still super rare, and now you also have to beat the dice roll to get good bonuses, which is only good if you plan to make a single resist stick/magic damage dealer anyway.

>>16940879
According to the wiki forums, the link is dead ATM. No need to worry, the previous two issues show that the update is rushed and unpolished, so you're not missing out on much.

>>16940894
>>16940912

>0 * 5 is still 0

What is this referencing?

I think before the changes it was like 1 in 50 to 1 in 100 for living weapons to be crafted for me. Have at least 7 living weapons hanging out in storage. Most of my living weapons have come from crafting with only like 1 or 2 coming from finds elsewhere. Makes me wonder how easy it is to craft them now with the changes.

Just finished catching up on the last thread.
This situation sure seems familiar.

>>16941239
I apologize ahead of time if I made an error in the online chatlog terms used, it's been quite some time since I played.

>>16941112
It's a metaphor: five living weapons that have zero use are still useless, even though you have five of them. Before, even when living weapons were incredibly rare, you knew that you could still do something with it even if it was just stacking resist.

>>16941239
Picture isn't accurate. Ano should be taking a piss on the player, then see the cheating save scummer, and then take a dump on him as well.

>>16940643
wow, that sucks
So our maximum theoretical strength really has been nerfed? I understand removing an exploit, but it's been around so long that I think he should have given us a non-cheaty way attain the same max stats as were possible by exploiting living weapons. IMO artifact fusion should have no limit to how powerful a piece of equipment can get, or at least a much higher limit than randomly generated or named artifacts, and have the cost go up every time an attribute is added. I like games where the best possible equipment is player crafted.

>>16941311
The picture is saying that savescumming is just a different way of playing, and that the cheaters are the ones using third party programs to cheat, and that you're a shit baboon.

Who's best girl?

>>16941342
>I like games where the best possible equipment is player crafted.
That's still Elona. Godly equipment with few enchantments means you can make it exactly what you need.
An idea I have for living weapoons is that once they level up the list with the enchantments available for the next levelup is immediately generated just like with Ether symptoms, so savescumming will do you no good but you can still give it a variety of effects.

>>16941355
Yacatect is the only girl who isn't seriously mentally defective in some way

>>16941368
How are Itzpalt or Mani mentally defective?

>>16941374
They're not girls smart one.

>>16941368
I find it funny that save scummers try to distance themselves away from cheaters. They're part of the same group. There's a reason why they're called save scummers and not save reloaders or some happy friendly name.

>>16941385
That only reinforces my beliefs.

>>16941368
She seems like she might be OCD about making money. Other parts of her life might suffer if she's only pursuing money. Can't say she's mentally healthy either.

>>16940643
I'm curious why you're still fiddling with equipment at that level, shouldn't you have everything maxed out by now?

>>16941390
If savescumming was cheating it would just be called that. Minmaxing and tryharding aren't very friendly terms, either, and they are perpetuated by equally pathetic individuals.

>>16941390
thanks for the (You) retard

>>16941355
YaCUTEct for sure.
EheCUTEal is okay.
The rest aren't any good.

>>16941355
From the pantheon of 8?
Yacatact, Jure, probably.

>>16941342
Seems like it. For me, the major nerf was when it was announced that you couldn't use living weapons with artifact fusions anymore.

The living weapon change is a mixed bag for me . Since I was only interested in putting magic damage on a living weapon currently, the change is buff. Well it's a buff because I'm playing Inferno and you really don't want to save scum in that mode. Instead of having to pray 15 times for each level in hopes of getting magic damage, I just need to pray once that magic damage shows up in the list so I can get it for all levels. That's all great and all but I kind of see the buff as a moot point because the whole can't use living weapon with artifact fusion.

Instead of praying for magic damage on a living weapon. I could always just wait and use artifact fusion to put magic damage on a weapon. The catch though is that it's "expensive" to do so because of the need for lots of sox and scrolls of gain attribute.

>>16941402
I have my pets to gear. My character is doing well. My pets on the other hand...

>>16941502
Curious what endgame gear I should be aiming for, got a picture of equipment?

Is this game like Rune Factory 4 or Harvest Moon?
I'm expecting it to be likewise but with more freedom.

will this game let me sneak around at night and fug the towns people

>>16941594
you can have sex with any npc you like as long as you either get them drunk or have high friendship and a bed

>>16941513
Depends on what your character is. Kai is a martial artist/wizard hybrid so I made his gear focused on stacking additional attack chance, spell enhancement for the 2x damage spell multiplier, and resists. So if you're a pure caster you probably only need spell enhancement and resists but if you're a pure melee person you probably want additional attack chance and resists.

90% of my gear is static artifacts that I used artifact fusion on for resists and spell enhancement. Managed to get all the spell enhancement I needed on just the mighty arms and my fire horn helmet. Used a nefia core for the see invisibility thing.

Is it better to start this blind or read up a lot on guides and wikis beforehand?

>>16941644
You are fucked either way and consider your first character a sacrifice to learn the ways of Elona.

Have fun!

>>16941615
please elaborate where can i find more into this

>>16941710
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Sleep#Sleep_sharing_.28Elona.2B.29
throwing liquor at an npc will get it drunk allowing you to offer sex for money. you may get aids.
increase friendliness of npcs by giving them gift items which are sometimes stocked by goods vendors or throwing love potions at them. throwing a potion at an npc is considered a hostile act so put your pets on defensive stance and leave town between throws. once an npc is friendly enough you can squeeze it while standing on a bed while tired and have sex. only once the npc joins your party can you make her cum too. if they aren't friendly enough squeeze will be treated as an attack and you'll probably kill whoever you squeezed.

>>16941859
sleepy rather, tired means out of stamina

why are the controls of this game so strange?
Is there any thing I'm missing. Is everyone playing with default controls? Is this normal and should I just get used to it or is there a possibility to change them

>>16941947
These are pretty standard controls for a roguelike, although Elona is hardly one itself.

I'm stupid, could someone please explain what

>If the parameter that gains experience is equal to or greater than the Speed part of INIT + 100, then it will gain bonus experience. The lower the attribute + Life/Mana part of INIT, the greater the bonus.

means?

From http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:24959's spoilers tab.

>>16941658

Why do I constantly hear this? It's almost impossible to permanently fuck a character up isn't it?

>>16941631
So how does Kai feel about the save scum changes and other changes?

Changing the status of living weapoons will also change the choices of enchant!

>>16942333
first time player here, started in November with a Yerles gunner and he is currently still not fucked up

>>16942333
You can only fuck up a character on purpose, actually. It's just so you don't get too attached to a first character, you still haven't even figured out a fun play style for yourself. Once you get acquainted to the game, you either keep playing or start over.

>>16942333
Wrong people being loud, mad and misinformed...
losing a few stat or a mutation/curse is nothing you can't get rid of easily.

my ranched animals I plan on slaughtering for meat are telling me how much they love me, this is fucked up
is this something custom is doing or is this a feature in 1.66?

>>16942338
I don't think the save scum changes were necessary. If people don't want to save scum or be tempted by it they can always play one of the other modes available at character creation. Instead of needlessly using his energy on these changes I would much rather him flesh out other features of the game or at least think over some of the other ideas he's been kicking around but never found a solution for. For instance, I would rather he be using his energies in finding a way to implement the town building/town authority mechanic. I would also like him to repurpose moongates and the voting box features too that has been brought to his attention but he never got around to.

The changes, be it that it may, has been a mixed bag for me but for the most it's been business as usual for me. Some of the changes I welcome. For instance, I like how it getting herb seeds is probably going to be easier. Others I'm indifferent about. For instance, the whole bit about losing potential at a greater rate on leveling skills however the methods to recover potential have been made stronger. Seems zero sum to me but perhaps the changes were made just so the numbers would start to make sense. For instance potential can now drill all the way down to zero which I'm not exactly sure I've ever seen happen before with my character. I'm not too happy about living weapons not being able to be used in artifact fusion.

Having said that, I'm still enjoying myself in 1.67. That's all I'm really going to say on the matter of this. I'm not interested in debating whether save scumming is right or wrong. I'm fine with people playing the game on their own terms, even if it may be different than mine, as long as it doesn't interfere with my fun. What I'm currently interested in is that fourth continent that I heard about. Wonder where it's going to take place.

>>16942020
Well lets take my INI score for Kai. 336/80. 336 is the attribute + life and mana part of the INI score. 80 is the speed part of the INI score. Both scores are calculated at character creation and don't change.

When they say parameter they're referring to anything that can level and gain experience. This can be a skill or even be character levels. Lets say my tactics skill is 200. If that's the case I would be eligible for bonus exp when leveling that skill. The reason being is that my tactics skill of 200 is greater than my speed INI + 100. (200 > 80 + 100). So I'm eligible for bonus exp. The magnitude of that bonus exp is determined by the attribute + life and mana part of the INI score. 336 for me. The lower the attribute + life and mana part of the INI score the greater the bonus exp. So I'll get a decent amount of bonus of exp but a person that had like 100 for their attribute + life and mana part of their INI would get more bonus exp than me.

The effect of this change is highlighted underneath the change in the wiki:

>The idea here is to prevent characters from growing extremely quickly when starting off, and to alleviate the stagnation in growth in late-game.

>This will also help out character that have low starting speed and relatively fewer chances to level attributes and skills.

If the above is true and works the way it's intended to work, this change can be good.

>>16942481
>even be character levels
Meant to say character attribute levels.

inns can't sell the useless hexing potions that everything resists

Vanilla didn't have savescumming, I just checked, definitely a debug feature, people pretending "it's a way to play" a retarded.

That aside, I'd like to see the town functions fleshed out (how long has it been?) and online stuff re-purposed if chat isn't coming back; did they ever make progress on chat in the wiki?

Does fame ever change NPC lines? Or are they always going to say "You're THE Flamming Faggot? Never heard of you"

>>16941355
Kumiromi + blessed forbidden meat

How does it feel anti savescummers? Now I can disable all autosaving. Does it upset you? 1v1 my character pussy bitch, oh you wont because you don't savescum. My character will scrub her balls all over your character's face.

>>16942750

>>16941644
As with any game, you're probably best playing a little in the blind and then hitting the wiki, as that gives the wiki literature some context. In the long term any race/class is viable, although some (slow digestion or 1.0s weight restriction come to mind) may make you regret your choice later.

>>16942443
For most beginner characters it's quicker and easier to just create a new character with the knowledge you gained rather than fix your old one, and there's nothing lost.
The only ways I can think of to fuck up your (advancing mode) character for real would be to summon dangerous monsters into Your Home or to equip so much [it sucks your blood] gear that you can't survive long enough to get it uncursed.

>>16942774
It's possible that it could happen, but most people here are obviously far from their beginner characters and just can't deal with the smallest thing.

>>16942481
>fourth continent
Woah there. Slow down buddy. You can't just drop something like that and not explain it. Where did you hear about this?

>>16942750
>scrub her balls all over your...face

>>16942745
but Kumiromin is a boy!

>>16942966
Yes, and...?

>>16942972
boys aren't grills you silly

>>16942966

>>16943009
I've been looking for that image, thank you
OT Shena is the best girl

>>16942578
It did, in vanilla you just use alt+F4 and then reopen the game. I didn't even know about F2 hotloading before seeing lads here get worked up about it just now.

>>16943009
The dog has bite marks on its butt.

>>16939725
>>16938717
To build up on this, tag teaming with her should help a lot in keeping her alive if you do take her to high-level areas.

>>16943165
I wasn't aware that killing enemies granted experience until now! Now I see why you're recommending taking her to fight high-level enemies.

I recently had <Goda> the orc captain join me and he's a bulldozer. He charges into rooms packed full of enemies Leroy Jenkins-style and doesn't even flinch. Is there any problem with bringing him, and my other pets, along with me while I train my black angel? I set them to defensive mode via Directive so they don't do any killing, but still train some passive skills like medium armor and stealth.

>>16943407
Pets that kill things by themselves will only earn EXP for themselves, that also means less for the pet you're trying to train and less for you. More pets = less EXP gain. When you tag team, you and your tag team partner earn EXP for everything either of you kill. Also, they're more at risk of dying too, which could be a potential drain on your money and your relationship with them. I'd suggest putting pets you're not planning on using for a while in the dojo. Pets you no longer want to use I'd suggest taking all their armor and weapons off and gene engineering them into the pet you do want to keep.

Also, pets will pick up gems and crystals and money on the floor, even when tag-teamed. Money picked up off the floor will be split with you as well.

If you're wondering about AP gain, you do earn less while tag-teaming per kill, but both you and your pet earn AP for whatever you kill (depending on if it meets their AP-gain requirement), so it is a good way to earn AP for your pets too. You also get some abilities that temporarily increase stats while tag-teaming as well.

>>16943434
>Also, they're more at risk of dying too, which could be a potential drain on your money and your relationship with them
This line pertaining to the other pets you bring, I mean. Your tag-team partner will sometimes block hits coming at you, I think. Just be aware of their health and throw potions or healing spells at them if they're near death and you should be good.

>>16943407
That's fine. You're only in the level 20s so training a new pet won't take too long. Since she is ranged and pretty much always attacking she will catch up fast. Use some blessed scrolls of change material to make e.g. an emerald bow/arrows and she will clear out rooms in no time

How do you actually find out who the werewolf is? I've had multiple werewolves killing half the population of Vernis since the beginning of this new character.

The wiki says if you ask the NPC ''Are you a werewolf?'' if it's the wolf they will attack, but I've not had it happen after going through every NPC. I found one NPC that responded with ''...'' instead of the usual ''What? I'm human!'', but they didn't attack. I killed them anyway and it didn't seem to do anything. You can't even ask shopkeepers so can it even be one of those?

The vote also sucks because they vote to execute a shopkeeper I need all the time

>>16943844
The werewolf is called "X the werewolf" when you look at or speak to him.

I did some digging in the code of elona+ to find out what days give what, and thus:

Normally, statue of Kumiromi will generate unknown seed, fruit seed and vegetable seed,
but if used on days 3, 9, 13, 19, 23, 29, 30, it will generate unknown seed, artifact seed and herb seed,
and if used on days 6, 16, 26, it will generate unknown seed, vegetable seed and herb seed.

Cute fairy: upon being fed, it will generate vegetable seed, fruit seed, and gem seed,
but if fed on days 3, 9, 13, 19, 23, 29, 30, it will generate vegetable seed, magical seed and herb seed,
and if fed on days 6, 16, 26, it will generate vegetable seed, magical seed and gem seed.

Statue of Yacatect will normally generate 3 piles of gold, but on days 8 and 10, one pile of gold will be replaced with a platinum coin, and if number of day multiplied by number of month equals 90, the pile will be replaced by a small medal.

Garok: the selection of materials for kits varies depending on the last digit in the day.
If it ends on 1 or 6, the choice will be: leather, dawn cloth, scale, glass, mithril, silver, dragon scale
If it ends on 2 or 7, the choice will be: silk
zylon, raw, crystal, metal, platinum, diamond
If it ends on 3 or 8, the choice will be: cloth, bone, emerald, steel, gold, iron, ether
If it ends on 4 or 9, the choice will be: spirit cloth, coral, mica, obsidian, titanium, rubynus
If it ends on 0 or 5, the choice will be: paper, griffon scale, perl, bronze, chain, chrome, adamantium

Inferior material scrolls cycle between paper -> cloth -> silk -> mica -> raw -> leather -> glass -> scale -> coral -> bronze -> iron -> bone -> paper...

Change material scrolls cycle between zylon -> obsidian -> chrome -> metal -> steel -> chain -> silver -> platinum -> gold -> perl -> griffon scale -> dragon scale (blessed only) -> adamantium (blessed only) -> zylon...

Superior material scrolls cycle between dawn cloth -> spirit cloth -> dragon scale -> crystal -> titanium -> mithril -> adamantium -> emerald -> diamond -> rubynus (blessed only) -> ether (blessed only) -> dawn cloth...

Also, re:"it's too unfair to equip": if I read it right, the flag will apply if hit bonus + damage bonus is more than 80, or DV + PV is more than 180. Be wary of equipment that is too good, anons.

>>16943935
>more
more or equal, my bad

>>16943935
>Also, re:"it's too unfair to equip": if I read it right, the flag will apply if hit bonus + damage bonus is more than 80, or DV + PV is more than 180. Be wary of equipment that is too good, anons.

Why did it even exist in the first place if only the Sacrifice Tonfa had it until now? And what's the point of having an unequippable static artifact?

>>16943964
I think the unfair flag is an artifact from before E+ content with high levels and huge numbers, which previously would have been pretty much unattainable

>>16943933
ahaha holy shit you're right, I finally found one at the edge of the map. The entire time I thought they were supposed to be indistinguishable from normal NPCs and that there was some kind of trick to it. A moment of silence for all the citizens I let die in vain

>>16943935

This is going to be very useful. I'll almost feel guilty using this information.

You can stack different resistances on living weapons, you just have to wait months (in-game) to do that.

Living weapons level up by their own rules, the number determining the list of enchantments is made by adding number of sides on dice, enchantment bonus and number of month.

First choice, Enchantment Bonus + 4, is always avaliable.
Second choice, the resistance, is determined by residue from dividing the number by 11.
Residue of 0 means Fire Resistance will appear as choice, 1 - Cold Resistance, 2 - Lightning, 3 - Darkness, 4 - Mind, 5 - Poison, 6 - Nether, 7 - Sound, 8 - Nerve, 9 - Chaos, 10 - Magic.
Third choice, the elemental damage, is essentially the same element as in second choice.
Fourth choice, the stat increase, is determined by residue from dividing the number by 10.
Residue of 0 means increase in STR, 1 - END, 2 - DEX, 3 - PER, 4 - LER, 5 - WIL, 6 - MAG, 7 - CHR, 8 - SPD, 9 - LUC.
Fifth choice, the skill increase, is determined by the same number.
Residue of 0 means Eye of Mind will appear in the list, 1 - Casting, 2 - Dual Wield, 3 - Two Hand, 4 - Tactics, 5 - Marksman, 6 - Healing, 7 - Meditation, 8 - Magic Device, 9 - Magic Control.
Fifth choice is determined by residue from dividing the number by 9.
Residue of 0 means Shield will be added in the list, 1 - Evasion, 2 - Disarm Trap, 3 - Heavy Armor, 4 - Medium Armor, 5 - Light Armor, 6 - Stealth, 7 - Greater Evasion, 8 - Magic Capacity.
Sixth choice is determined by residue from dividing the number by 12.
Residue of 0 means Mining skill will be added to the list, 1 - Carpentry, 2 - Tailoring, 3 - Jeweler, 4 - Gardening, 5 - Cooking, 6 - Anatomy, 7 - Fishing, 8 - Alchemy, 9 - Lock Picking, 10 - Detection, 11 - Sense Quality.
Seventh choice is determined by same number as sixth.
0 adds Weight Lifting skill to the list, 1 - Pickpocket, 2 - Swimming, 3 - Literacy, 4 - Gene Engineer, 5 - Memorization, 6 - Faith, 7 - Negotiation, 8 - Investing, 9 - Performer, 10 - Riding, 11 - Traveling.
Eight choice, responsible for the special skills, is determined by residue from dividing the number by 7.
Residue of 0 means Damage to gods will be added to list of choices, 1 - Damage to Undead, 2 - Damage to Dragons, 3 - "increases your chance to deliver critical hits", 4 - "enhances your spells", 5 - "enhances your breath", 6 - "gives you a chance to throw an absolute piercing attak".

So, in essence, if you don't like the choices presented in your living sword\sock\whatever, either enchant your weapon at blacksmith, or wait a month. You can back out of a choice by pressing Esc.

What pet gives Control Magic and is easiest to obtain? My wife keeps abusing me with her magic.

>>16944254
This seems much better IMO. If you get crappy level ups, there are ways to change it if the options suck, but it involves waiting rather than the instant reload. I supposed you could always ride a snail in the deep-sea castle to get the month you desire. It's almost like artefact fusion, except it takes time and kills rather than resources.

Shame that it's so ridiculously complicated to understand though.

>>16944610
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Control_Magic
elemental hounds are the easiest to find if you want to be sporting about it, otherwise just buy a Norland slave from Derphy
You should use (weak) AOE spells or rods around her to help her level faster, hitting and getting by a friendly both level magic control.

>>16943022
I mean that's clearly not the same, you can choose to quit the game when you die but it saves when you come back to life, it's probably an overlook and not intended.

>>16944697
IIRC that option was originally meant to kill you and end your run?

>>16944610
>My wife keeps abusing me with her magic

>>16944697
I don't know about +1.67, but in any and all versions up to +1.66 including vanilla, closing the game through alt+F4 and rebooting it will load your last save. This is usually from when you last entered a floor or opened a chest. It works exactly the same as + hotloading.

why do people care about others cheating in a singleplayer game anyway

>>16944772
they're obviously playing the game wrong, and are having wrong kind of fun. Unacceptable!

>>16944772
I only care when people pretend they're not cheating and that it's a legit way to play.
The excessive entitled whining towards otherwise good changes because "muh scumming" was pretty cringeworthy as well, but now everyone should be happy with CU.
The whole singleplayer argument is retarded and usually used by butthurt people without an actual argument,
design and balance is still important in a singleplayer game.

>>16944772
For a roguelike it makes sense, because the whole game is based around winning fairly with one life and nobody would take someone who e.g. save scummed seriously.

But Elona is less of a roguelike, less about winning, and 100% a sandbox game. It can't be judged by the same standards.

In ADOM, which Elona was loosely based on, you effectively had a timelimit within which to win the game because background corruption got stronger and stronger. In Elona you don't, have many times more content, and can do whatever you want. Because that's the point of the game. Just doing whatever the fuck you want.

That's why I would judge a player cheating in NetHack, but not in Elona.

>>16944747
Closing the game normally saves the game, so that's most likely an overlook.
Probably can't stop task manager and whatnot, but the point stands that it's not really intended.

>>16944869
Considering F2 was originally a debug feature and the E+ team are implementing anti-save scumming features, I think neither of them are intended. A lot of players still use both. No need to open task manager either

Is there a problem?

If I summon a god at the Truce Ground, is he going to stay there until dismissed?

>>16944847
>because background corruption got stronger and stronger
To remedy this, they should remove potions of cure corruption.

>>16944972
elea only new meta

>>16944972
Wouldn't do much, because it is still easy to avoid etherwind. Encountering it or meeting ether enemies/going into ether areas in South Tyris are completely optional.

>>16944676
I was pretty sure I tried most of slaves I could buy, but Fallen Soldier gave control magic on new pet on my overdose wizard mode character. I also remember I tried to use summon spirits and use them for gene engineering. Maybe I couln't get it because I didn't have control magic myself at the time?
Also, thanks for the answer.

>>16945036
Background radiation is still a thing though. Eventually, you'll contact ether disease.

>>16945173
Yes, but it affects the player at a negligible rate that remains constant.

>Got a wish from a well
>Accidentally pressed enter before typing anything

>>16941438
If hacking was cheating it would just be called that.

>>16943935
>>16944254
Thanks for sharing this info with us. Happy that you can change the choices if you just wait long enough or go to the blacksmith for living weapons. Are the dates for seed generation for the 1.67fix version? I know the changelog says something about how their was a date settings mistake for the fairy. I've observed the same seeds generated on the dates you've shared with us for statues in 1.67fix but I'm having a hard time testing the fairy.

Ano seems to have nerfed or fixed getting lots of seeds from the fairy in one day. Can only get a few seeds from the fairy only once a day. To make matters worse, it seems the ability to get seeds from the fairy needs to be recharged after you collect by sleeping. Due to this, I'm having a hard time testing dates due to my character's sleep schedule. Seems Kumiromi statues are back in being the best way to get herb seeds again.

>>16942873
I like to visit the jp wiki and near the bottom left of the site there is a section where people can report bugs and discuss proposals/ideas to add to Elona+. Most of these proposals don't get any consideration however occasionally some stuff gets seriously considered and I find the discussions neat. A discussion awhile back dealt with the creation of a 4th continent, where it would take place, and what it should offer. People were acting like it was a forgone conclusion that there would be another continent and some of the ideas sounded pretty believable. Regardless, I put the discussion on the back burner since Ano didn't say anything about a 4th continent.

Flash forward to now and I saw this in the detailed changelog for 1.67 on the wiki.

>Talking to Leold on F39 of the Cradle and selecting the option will bring you to the Tezcatlipoca battle. Two talon soldiers will also spawn, but they will disappear when Tezcatlipoca is defeated. There is a conversation with Leold after you win. Next update will add a cutscene after moving to another map.

>Next update will add a cutscene after moving to another map.

Pretty much fired up my imagination of a 4th continent again. I know another map might not necessarily mean 4th continent but it pretty much fired up my imagination of a 4th continent again and made me remember the discussion on the jp wiki. Correct me if I'm wrong but so far with what I've done with the story on my character Kai, Tezcatlipoca seems like the big bad guy for Act 3. If we can now defeat him then what's left of Act 3 and Lost Irva? Probably should get around to doing more of the story but I was wondering if anyone else had heard anything about the possibility of the 4th continent or knew of what was being developed. Ano hasn't made it seem so far that Tezcatipoca was the end of Elona+.

>>16945366
>What do you wish for? ''speed ring!''
>A cursed trustworthy bronze speed ring appears.
>It attracts monsters. It disturbs your growth.

>>16945725
I think we still have to defeat the Chaos god or whatever that's actually sealed in the Cradle of Chaos. Tez was just one of his servants IIRC. And by moving to another map, I'm sure they just mean moving to a new area.

IMO, I hope there isn't an Act 4. Act 3 has been in the works since 2012 and still isn't finished. At this rate, Act 4 would be just before the sun explodes and kills us all. I'd rather just have Ano conclude the story on work on improving the game, like that damn town authority mechanic.

On a new unrelated note. From what I've seen in the new changelog, cute faries now vomit out seeds once per day. How badly does this fuck seed generation now?

>>16944824
>design and balance is still important in a singleplayer game.
Design and balance wasn't threatened by savescumming, and whether or not savescumming existed, you retarded fuck.

rare item counter is gay

Does 1.67 have a custom yet?

>>16945733
Next time, worship Ehekatl.

>>16946132
Leveling up the Fighter's Guild is gay. Why did I decide on this, worrying about the level range of each monster is such a dumb chore. Worst Guild.

>>16945824
It's pretty bad now if you compare it to what it was initially. Only get a couple of seeds once from the fairy on each day. by couple I mean only like 1-2 or maybe 3. I haven't seen more than 1 herb seed from the fairy yet though but I haven't tested it much yet. From what I've observed the seed generation from the fairy also needs to be recharged. So once you get your seeds for the day the fairy will not produce anymore until you actually sleep. It actually has to be sleep. You cannot recharge the ability by just having the next day come around.

It wouldn't be too bad if the sleep thing wasn't required. It would be on par with statues but yeah not liking the sleep recharge mechanic.

>>16946255
>by couple I mean only like 1-2 or maybe 3.
Of the normal three that the fairy gives you. Could just be like 1 to 2 though but my memory is fuzzy if 3 is possible.

>These changes to living weapons
I haven't even started using them yet because I haven't found one. I don't even know what I'm supposed to be putting on them for them to be the most useful.

>>16946136
It'll probably take a bit longer than usual. They're coming up with a solution for Anos meltdown regarding a very vocal minority discussing abusing reloading to get a rare drop from spirits.
While I agree it's unnecessary to abuse reloading in Elona+ for rare drops because there's not a finite number of enemies and I think one time enemies will always drop their rare things, correct me if I'm wrong. Some people may be predispositioned to do this because in older RPGS you would be forced to spam reloads because of rare drops from a limited amount of enemy type.

I don't know if any newer or modern RPGs have rare drops from enemies or bosses you can only fight once. Thankfully I think this is a mechanic that was justifiably removed from modern games. The only thing I would think of still having this would be really bad MMORPGs.

>>16946136
>>16946504
Been out for a while now, actually. A new thread was created since people over there were asking for a new one for a while now.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014

>>16944254
Making sure I understand, I still can't make a living weapon that just gives +skill right?

Is there an argument to be made to keep animations on?

>>16946918
It can keep you from taking too many actions at once. If the delay is too low or none then you might do something twice when you only wanted to do it once if you held the button too long

>>16946918
People turn it off? It lets me know what's going on without reading 10 pages of text every turn

>>16945725
This page? http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?Elona%2B%A4%D8%A4%CE%CD%D7%CB%BE%B0%C6
I wonder if ano speaks any English, assuming he looks at it himself. Anyone who can read runes can tell me if this google translate is understandable?

Update artifact fusion system. The cost of adding an attribute increases exponentially, however the attribute maximum (maximum attainable via fusion, maximum attributes during generation is still capped) is higher than present or removed completely. Monsters in The Void never stop gaining HP, therefore I think the player's survivability and damage output should increase without bound as well.

アーティファクト融合システムを更新する。 属性を追加するコストは指数関数的に増加しますが、属性の最大値（融合によって得られる最大値、アイテム生成時の最大属性はまだ上限です）は現在よりも高くなっています。 The Voidのモンスターは決してHPの獲得を止めないので、プレイヤーの存続可能性とダメージ出力は縛られずに増加するはずです。

>>16947174
I was planning on posting something else before I decided to post this and forgot to remove the image. I am not disappointed about anything.

>>16941239
>>16941239
>"scut"
>"so that's what that button does"
Kek. Accurate enough anon.

Independent of the reloading vs 'save scumming' debate being pissing contested around here, I don't consider anti-cheats a really wise investment for single player games unless he's planning to add more multiplayer features in the future. Something that's definitely futile at this point short of somehow forcing everyone to start over from scratch.
It's safe to assume that those who ARE outright cheating will continue to do so.

>>16941947
>>16942008
Actually if you play any Angband variants, you'll feel right at home, since Elona's game mechanics was heavily influenced by them

>>16947174
That's the one. If that's a google translate that isn't half bad actually. Yes, the guy pretty much wants limits removed because of the void and thinks that the exponential cost of increasing the attributes of the weapon is a bit unfair considering the maximum it can go up to.

I got an imp as a pet, is there a way to turn off that "expands a magical circle" text or change it to something else? Looked into the doujyou on the wiki but the information seems both dated and I'm worried I'll screw something up.

If you give a living weapon to a pet, will they level it up?
I've been keeping a living weapon until I got to artifact fusion, but now that it doesn't work together I figure I may as well just level it up now.
But it would be a lot faster if the pet could do it for me, since I dislike the melee combat in this game.

>>16946504
The other thing about Elona+ static artifacts is that a lot of them aren't very good, especially the ones that drop randomly, it's unbelievable to me that this whole thing started because some slants were encouraging each other to scum to get the fucking blue gloves.

>>16947365
PosChengband a BEST

>>16947780
Unless it changed in 1.67, it will gain experience but they won't "use" it to level it up.

>>16947174
Well, if there's plans to remove the cap for AF, this just fucks over living weapons even more. Of course, it depends how expensive it gets to continue to upgrade.

>>16947174
Yes, that would be it. A bit confused. Are you submitting that? Looks alright. I remember submitting a bug report to Ano with a bit of help and it went through fine. There was an HP and MP bug that I triggered with Kai that caused some sort of overflow where I had so much HP and MP that it reset itself to 1. Tried explaining to Ano how to emulate the bug with my save. He seemed to understand the gist of it and that's why today 20 million is the cap for both HP and MP. Don't think you need to have like perfect grammar or anything. As long as it's good enough I'm sure he'll understand.

>>16947922
So the guy hates gaijin and thinks they are vermin for translating the game but if you do his work for him he doesn't mind?

>>16946630
Not sure what you meant by that, but I can't find anything that would stop you from stacking +skill on your living weapon.

>>16947723
Yes, you are supposed to be able to change this text at dojo, but I couldn't get it to work.

>>16938233
When is the mods pastebin going to be updated

What's the point of charge attack doing 10x damage if it takes 10 whole turns to charge up? So that pv/damage reduction is not applied over 10 attacks but just one?

It seems really difficult to me to avoid getting hit for that long, won't your pets waste lots of turns on it and keep getting interrupted?

>>16948276
it's for stacking with other things like Rage and Provoke, so that you can do a 40x attack and instagib a boss.

Pretty useless on a pet, though, since they don't know how to do it strategically.

This is a three turn time stop right?

>>16948317
Thanks

So if it turns out if an evolved older dog sister instead of attacking normally tries and fails to charge half the time, I should stop by Leopold and unlearn it right? Is that even possible with abilities the pet knew innately?

>>16947383
>>16947922
I want to submit this as a suggestion and was asking if the Japanese produced by Google translate wad passable.

>>16948276
Have you ever fought the meshera before?

>>16948405
nop

>>16948419
You pretty much need to have it for that fight so make sure you have it before completing act 2.

Any of you goys know the password for the /jp/ music pack?

>>16948423
Ayte thanks fampai

>>16948423
My team just mashed it down through super regene. My imp got a scythe proc at like 2% I guess but it was going down.
I guess I overgrinded.

>>16948423
I used rampage + all common debuffs + wet + ice bolt.

So, I came here because I saw the game pop up in this video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAElbJmvO9Y

What's the story like? How does the "online" aspect of the game work? From the FAQ it seems like you can share scores and whatnot online, but it's mostly a standalone roguelike. My only experience with this game is that ancient defense flash game based on the setting of Elona, but I do remember the aesthetics as being pretty nice

>>16949091
Servers are dead so forget the online, it was purely a passive ''see a message when a player dies or completes a quest'' kind of thing anyway.

Game is sandbox game with roguelike gameplay mechanics where you can do whatever you want, from running shops/farms/ranches to running errands, building a home, cooking, being a performer and raising pets/wives/slaves.

Elona is extremely customizable and you can change any sprite, portrait, name, race, and even write and insert NPC dialogue/idle messages on the fly. If you like adventuring with custom parties it will be heaven once you get used to it.

Read up a bit more on the basics and give it a shot, it's freeware anyway. Everyone plays Elona+ because it's a version of the game that kept being updated years after the original creator abandoned Elona.

>>16949124
That sounds pretty nice, my only concern is the amount of content. Why did the creator bail anyways? Any H-mods content?

>>16949159
There is sex, prostitution, bed sharing events and you can create a gene (basically offspring) with literally any character whether it's a skeleton, dog, little girl or shub-niggurath. You can easily rewrite the events/dialogue by editing .txt files if you'd like.

A portion of NPC dialogue and most of the story past the first continent is untranslated, Elonacustom is a version of E+ that attempts to translate it.

>>16947947
He didn't say that, stop spreading misinformation

Potential loss might've been a bit too strong, having a level 8 skill at 15% seems extra harsh earlygame.

>>16949960
Update on that, kek

>>16949159
There are some H-content mods, but anything beyond edits of character spritesheets is exceedingly rare. Elona and Elona+ themselves are very clean, especially for a game where prositutes are having sex with children 24/7 in one of the towns.

>>16950046
>There are some H-content mods, but anything beyond edits of character spritesheets is exceedingly rare
Really? Where are they?

>>16949960
>>16950027
It removes 10 percent of your current potential rounded up (that's 1% out of your 6%), then removes 10 percent again (another 1%), and THEN removes flat 5%, so on your next level-up you'll probably have 0% potential (if you even can level the skill with so little, lol)

On the other hand, trainer now gives you 50% potential instead of 20%.

Is there a way to tell what my luck is?

>>16950218
Yes, but only in act 3.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Sinaha

>By asking Sinaha to "please read my misfortune", you can get a better idea of what this usually unreadable stat is. The value she gives you is 100 - (your luck), so the lower the number, the higher your luck is. Luck higher than 100 will show up as a negative number.

Is there a working link for 1.67 somewhere?

>destroy boar on 206th floor of void
>crits for 50k
>I only have 3.3k hp
I bet it's one of my pets who drank from a fountain while I wasn't looking. Damned animal wrecked almost everyone in my team.

>>16950441
>You feel sad for a moment.
>You feel sad for a moment.
>You feel sad for a moment.

>>16950136
50% is nice but that's way outdone by growth early, feels like they went too hard on that.

>>16950525
No doubt about that, my potentials are hovering at around 40% right now, and the price to raise them is insane.

>>16950462
He killed 10 pets, and 11th, Lilith, survived only because she was tending the shop instead of being in the void.


Anyone knows where to find "craft repair kits"? I check every single store, but found nothing. On the other hand, I got a spellbook of wishing. Not that I could use it with 1% chance.

>>16950441
Sounds like it just did its job

>>16948397
when I try to post on the suggestion board I get this

Runtime error
Error message : 規制されています。
Do I need to sign up or something?

>>16950072
I've only seen one mention of it on Twitter on that day when Elona was trending. I can't even dig up that screenshot anymore from the heap of posts that happened on that day.

>>16950136

Isn't the new system beneficial for long time grinding? You can keep your potential at around 200% and still go positive. I see how it kind of sucks early on when you need to target more than just a couple skills at a time and can't get plats as easily.

will body parts sell in a general store? I'm thinking of switching to that to unload a bunch of waste art anyway wondering what else I should stock up on and dump.

>>16951365
Oh, thanks anyway. I'm surprised it isn't more widespread.

>>16951755
If it's any help, the picture to look out for is a sprite of little girl getting double teamed in an open dialogue window (not evochat).

>>16951485
By the way, what's the easiest way to hoard platinum?

>>16950950
Error message isn't too helpful. Just says restricted. It's been awhile since I've submitted my bug report on the site so I don't really remember too well if I had to sign up or do anything special. It's possible I used a Japanese proxy as well since a bunch of Japanese websites don't like western IPs. Try looking into that.

>>16952000
Not making a bug report though.

>>16952070
Oh I'm aware of that. It's just the way to make a bug report, make a request/proposal, or just to comment on the site are all similar.

>>16943935
I think something similar is going on with harvest time quest rewards. Not even on 1.67 but I've noticed when I marathon them in a single day I almost always get the same one or two types of seeds. I'm going to start keeping notes on harvest time rewards and day.

>>16952000
fucking nips and their rangebanning autism
I've never worked with proxies, do I just google proxies? I'm like 99% sure connecting to a malicious one won't do anything bad (unless it's exploiting a zero day in the os) as long as I stop routing through it when I'm done but pic related.

>>16948431
I don't remember it being passworded, is it? Try "/jp/" or "elona".

>>16938233
Updated pastebins. Search for "*" to find new stuff.
The All-in-one and Younger Sister packs need some updating to work with 1.67, as well as all spritesheets.

>>16952622
Most likely you'll have to google one. Proxies tend to comes and go and I know all the old ones I used I can't find anymore or access. I haven't been burned yet by using a proxy but definitely be careful with any that you do use.

I tend to keep my work short when using a proxy. Even though some proxies say you're secure and your stuff is anon you can't be too careful. Malicious proxies can keep records of what you enter into sites so avoid providing login credentials for sites or sharing any private info. Since you're merely making some random post on a wiki you probably don't have much to worry about.

>>16952622
Use OpenVPN and a free proxy from VPNGate. VPNGate is a website hosted by the university of Tsukuba so most participant proxies are safe to use, albeit somewhat slow. I use those to play MMOs so they're pretty good.

>>16952812
>most participant proxies are safe to use, albeit somewhat slow.
That's due to all the gaijin kancolle players though

>>16943149

I have seen and saved this picture dozens of times and never noticed that until you pointed it out.

>>16952827
Doesn't kancolle have a IE app now that can bypass proxy? I'm pretty sure you don't need a proxy to play that anymore.

How well does an alchemy+anatomy+necro character scale into very late game? Will it eventually reach a point where my dragons can take out gods with only buff/debuff support from me?

>>16953011
They scale very well according to our resident necromancers.

>>16952785
>Younger Sister pack
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kh5sbf4z2sgp4tx/Younger+Sister+Pack+3.zip

I updated the character and item sprite sheets, the UI, and added those chat box backgrounds.

>>16938233
How good is stealing in this game?

>>16953441
What's inside the box?

>>16953837
chocolate made with love

>>16953904
And nails.

>>16953904
So chocolate made out of cupids then?

>>16954158
Happy bed chocolate.

I dug around the code again, this time on the item generation system. Unfortunately,
>It's too difficult to understand!
but I got something interesting regarding some traders.

1. Moyer's amulets and rings have 33% chance to be (Great) quality and 10% chance to be (Miracle);
2. Blackmarket vendors normally stock around items of (Great) quality. However, each item has a ~10% chance to be (Miracle) instead. What's better, this chance scales with the shop rank, up until ~30% at rank 4000.
3. Blacksmiths operate on the similar principle, except they start with (Good) quality, have ~10% chance for each item to be (Great) instead, scale up to ~55% chance on rank 1000, and expand their inventory until rank 840.

Also, on generation each item has a LUCK out of 5000 chance to have a higher quality level ({Godly} instead of <Miracle>, for example). So eat up on those happy apples, invest in black market, and visit Moyer once in a while for sweet sweet artifacts.

How grindy is this game?

>>16956736
Everything in this game is a grind.

What does ''It provides a proximity assist weapon.''
on armour do?

>Spend half a year gathering materials in dungeons
>Jeweler skill just reaches the point where I unlock better stuff to craft
>Start shitting out and selling hundreds of greater identify scrolls

>>16956886
do you have sauce on this?

>>16956897
no, sorry

>>16956658
Those numbers are quite helpful, I had no idea when to stop investing.

>>16956658
Is there anything about Magic shop rank?

>>16957074
If you aren't interested in the more rare stuff, 120 is your goal. It'll max out the inventory of magic vendor.
Going further might increase the odds of flying scrolls\spellbooks of wishing\potions of potential to appear, but they will still be rare.

Am I late to the misery party?

You know who isn't suffering from the potential shortage? Pets. They as a compensation got 2.5 times as much potential in stats and 2.3(3) times as much potential in skills each time they call a trainer, and later on, they do it often.

>>16957243
>the slaves now outshine their masters
pet uprising now

>>16957251
now I can finally get bullied by a little girl
what a time to be alive

>>16956736
I only consider specific skill training to be real grind.

>>16957251
Pets already outshine their masters, I feel so weak in comparison to my Exile who I put in way less work than my character, yet is still weaker in comparison.
Those 20 times stat gains from herbs, and they just need to pay money to increase potential unlike real honest people who need platinum coins.

In North Tyris, where did you lads put your house? I'm about to upgrade to an estate from the cave and probably putting it a little west of Palmia.

>>16957481
That seriously depends on what you want. Palmia is a capital, true, but it doesn't have anything that special aside from abundance of Party Time quests.

Port Kapul and Derphy have black markets, which are a good places to look for artifacts, Yowyn is great for farmers because of Harvest Time quests, Lumiest is mages' domain, because the city contains the only spell writer until Act 3.

I personally still have my palace near Vernis, because why not. I don't mind a little bit of walking, it's good for my and my pets' skills.

>>16957508
>Palmia is a capital, true, but it doesn't have anything that special aside from abundance of Party Time quests.
It has the embassy to make it easier to pay taxes.

>>16957508
The cave was honestly really comfy but I wanted more shopkeeper NPCs than the cave's limit of 2, and to be able to instantly access the altar, casino and live just one or two squares away of the town to access two sets of shops in a minimum of time.

I only wish there were more points to teleport to with return, so that I could zip around faster

>>16957518
Oh, right. I forgot about embassy completely. I haven't been there for ages since I got picrelated.

>>16957533
Wizard mode gives you a long-ass list, it's already in-game. Then again, you can position your home somewhere to take advantage of the spell.

>>16957481
Wherever you put your house just make sure there's room to put other property. Got a diamond like pattern going on around the Truce Grounds. Need to get another discarded ranch and model it after the remains of an airship.

>>16957251
After spending billions of gold on them, sandbags and wooden horses are just the beginning for them.

>>16957678
You like to keep you god/ess nervous by ensuring defection is a mere return cast away.

>>16957508
Palmia and Port Kapul also have the arena, and Palmia and Lumiest have altars.

>>16957996
Changing gods is an awful thing to do, how could you betray their trust?

>>16951890

I wanna ask this too. What's the most efficient way for power leveling? Seems to be just running through towns and blasting all the fastest quests and repeating.

>>16958061
IIRC this is the guy who killed Jure, then put a sandbag over her and forced her to listen to him play the song of his people.

>>16953757
Mostly useless. It's about the only way to reliably collect furniture, altars, trees, and probably some other stuff I forgot about, so it's worth having, but it's not a game-changer.

>>16958096
Kind of not sure what to do with the gods myself, I don't want to kiss their asses for a few admittedly overpowered items, and I don't want to kill (most of them) because they don't really seem to be doing much other than minding their own business.

>>16958076
I think that's pretty much it, Harvest Time/Party Time/Hunting quests take like half a minute, easy item requests are nice (but not at all guaranteed). Quests take a while to refresh though and the board could be filled with ones that are a pain. So I guess training performer for parties and hopping from town to town is the safest bet. You get plat from dungeons too, but they just take too long even when rushing through. Getting a goose and gemstone from Yacatect as early as possible might be nice.

>>16958203
I, too, reject all "gods". All my success in Nefia is thanks to my own power(leveling).

>>16958244
Forgot to quotation "gods" myself, a shame such immensely useful things like the cute fairy, gem stone of rejuvenation and gem stone of god medal are locked behind god worship.

Fertilizer doesn't do revive dead plants like the stone, otherwise It'd be a viable work around.

>>16958203
>>16958244
Sorry bros I would be on your side but the god pets are too cute to resist

What's that, join your religion, donate some garbage and get a free 200 year old angel wife? Sign me up senpai

Besides the gods are basically like the olympian gods just playing around and having a good time, they don't even impose any rules of conduct on their followers

>>16958315
If they were truly Olympian (or any other god of an old religion) they would be pricks constantly meddling with mortals. Elona gods are a lot nicer, but some have a not so nice agenda.

>>16957481
I always put mine between Vernis and Palmia, near the ocean.

What's a good style of combat for dungeons and stuff like when you get to higher levels? Right now I've just been shooting stuff with a bow and using teleport/ items to weaken them. When I get to the point where I'm fighting gods will I still be able to shoot them to death or will I need magic and other weapon types? Sorry if it's a stupid question, just want to know what I should be working on, and what a good style for end game combat is.

>>16958762
You'll probably want to get some healing and buffing magic at least. If you're fighting alone, be sure and take the feat that increases speed when you're alone, if you're not, be sure to work on making your allies stronger.

Is custom working with the newest plus patch yet?

>>16953757
Fruit trees, coffins and gachas are the only things worth stealing, but the former two are vital to certain playstyles.
Easy dex grinding.

>>16953757
Oh, and on pets it might actually be their number 1 most important skill.

>>16958762
I think I remember someone saying that casting magic balls is the only strategy with enough sources of scaling to eventually take on the deities. A year ago. I don't know, it might've been for a Cockou run.

>>16957678
How many herb farms can you keep stocked? I have 16 statues and I can only fill two completely? I also have 6 kumiromi gems for dead plants.

I always put mine next to Noyel. Home is the only movable return point, so it should be reserved for the most useful, but hard-to-get location. Also:
*Trader's heaven - most goods sells really well in Noyel.
*Easy acess to Jure festival.
*Escort jobs - yes, you will be penaltized for 10 karma if you use return, but rewards are huge.
*Easy acess to "bad" snow weather for reading skillbooks.
*And, finally, there is little point in having second return point near Vernis since you already have Lesimas.

Is Necromancy popular now? Last time I came around no one was sure if it was doable as an exclusive playstyle. Seems like people have been making them now though.

I'm curious what everyone keeps their potentials at, I find myself running out of platinum particularly easy so I could probably stand to use a lower %.

>>16957678
Is that a town you somehow built?

>>16960475
It's his player home (one of the expensive deeds) placed at the truce grounds, surrounded by most types of building a player can build (museum/shop/ranch/dungeon).

>>16960538
The castle is his home, what is the building that looks like Yowyn?

>>16960629
Ranch

>>16960635
Discarded Ranch* that is, correct me if I'm wrong

It could also be any building with the map icon changed via the house board option

Is fishing worth it for those high level fish to cook with? Corpses are super easy to get and still sell for a pretty penny once cooked. I imagine if you get that super lure with a high fishing you can rack up tons of money when you cook it and sell it at a food store though.

>Equip weak new pet with choice artifact/godly gear
>Engineer full set of skills onto it, tweak behavior/special abilities
>Give it cute sprite/portrait/.txt dialogue file as desired
>Cook some delicious healthy food with herbs
>Watch it go to town on enemies thrice its level while skills and stats skyrocket

Is there a better feeling than this?

>>16961024
Hearing the AP sound.

>Fight a bunch of monsters that use brainwashing
>Afterwards, check my pets' inventory and notice the Rankis one of them was wielding is missing
>Ohshitohshit did they drop it!?
>Find it in another pet's inventory

?????

what are the best items to spend medals on? are the weapons worth getting for pets?

>>16961325
My highest priorities would be:

-the Sage's Helm for see invis
-a rod of domination for e.g. getting bells and doing the silver cat quest
-bottles of water for mass blessing scrolls of change material/uncurse/potions of restore body and spirit

Then shield tonfa, a tax box and maybe artifact seeds. I wouldn't get scrolls of superior material because it's easier to just invest a little in magic shops and buy stacks of change material. Diablo isn't amazing or anything imo

>>16961395
Diablo is nice early game at least just for time stop. Helped me out plenty of times.

>>16961411
I'm a dual wielder and still use it paired with the Rankis, and I'm all the way at the end of act 3. Double time stop is just too good, especially when you're attacking a minimum of 6 times per turn. If there's a better timestop weapon other than those two then somebody tell me because I've recently grown a third arm. Triple timestop would be sweet.

>>16961538
The <Nightmare> has time stop [#####+] (300). Even though it's a throwing weapon, I just tested it in my main hand and it can be used like a short sword. I don't know if it's better, but it's pretty handy. Invokes Nightmare all the time so can be great combined with mind/nerve/chaos/poison/darkness damage

>>16959495
You got it backwards dude. Not him but I have 6 statues and every other little sister becomes gems. Statues MIGHT give you an herb seed, but gems are guaranteed to save an otherwise useless plant.

>>16951890
I only do panic, challenge, and hunting job board requests if my goal is only platinum. Both panic and challenge job board quests can give up to 10 platinum per quest done. They can be done quickly too if you use dimensional fishing to bring the monster to you instead of trying to find them. Hunting quests only give me 3 platinum however since I can knock them out really quickly I usually find them worth doing.

I get tons of platinum from those job board quests. Never stick around in one town waiting for its job board to refresh. Go to another town and do its quests. Check out its vendors too. Ideally you want to make a circuit of towns you hit up. I have a circuit of towns I hit that has me doing all of North Tyris, Lost Irva, and South Tyris towns. By the time I return to North Tyris every job board is refreshed there and other job boards are on their way to refreshing too.

While traveling to other towns I sometimes do dungeons along the way. Get some nice platinum from bells and the dungeon boss too. By doing all the above I usually have hundreds of platinum on me. Most of this I use to restore potential however if you cast spells look into taking magic classes. I found them to be a good source of magic attribute boosting for my character Kai and also a quick way to level up a wide array of spells in bulk assuming you have the platinum to sustain it.

>>16959495
All 21 of them if I choose and I can expand if I want to. However currently I have 16/21 dedicated to herbs with the rest being magic seed farms for selling in my magic shop and a chance at a rod of wish.

I have 20 Kumiromi statues, 10 Kumiromi gemstones, and the Kumiromi scissors. I have 21 farms. Each has 72 tiles(default on all farms) for planting however 7 of them are used by scarecrows so 65 total. With the scissors I'm guaranteed replant so the only thing I need to deal with is withering. Since withering is inevitable I've learned to just accept that each of my farms will have between 1-15 plants that wither. So my crop yields are around 50 herbs for each farm. So with 21 farms I can pull around 1050 herbs each harvest cycle.

With 16 statues and 6 gemstones you should be doing well for yourself and you certainly can fill more than two easily. Are you nipping any of your wilted dead plants and then putting an herb seed in their place? Stop doing that if you are as that's a really big waste. The normally peaceful Kumiromi became very angry with kid Kai when he suggested doing that when learning about farming in his father's home. Withered plants are just plants that are asleep according to him.

I never nip withered plants. Instead, wait three days and use those Kumiromi gemstones. The statues produce herb seeds and those seeds should ideally never be used to replace withered plants. They're used to make more farms. So gemstones for restoring farms and statues for expanding your farming operation. That's my overall strategy for my farms and why I have so many of them.

Now there's other things you can do to quicken the whole process. For instance, all players should have the means to control in game time passage. I consider my roughly 2000 speed, which passes days slowly, to be my normal in game speed. When I mount a slow creature, like my snail to bring down my speed, I cause in game days to go by faster thus playing the game on faster speed setting. I have a fastest speed setting and that's when I sandbag an enemy in my shelter in my home and hit them with a Ragnarok causing weapon. I merely meteor all the enemies, mount my snail, and then just rest up in the shelter while the etherwind rages outside. Days go by fast while I rest in the shelter during the etherwind and if I need another etherwind to show up to skip even more days, I just cause another Ragnarok.

Normally all I need to do is just mount a slow creature and go on the overworld map and walk on my farm tiles or just rest to get days to go by fast but not too fast that I miss herb seed collection days in 1.67. By speeding up in game time I can make days or even months go by quickly thus getting plenty of herb seeds, refreshing all of my gemstones quickly, and speeding up time to harvest. Like if I run out of herbed in curarias on Kai I'll use use the stuff above to quickly replace my supplies.

>>16962725
Statues in 1.67 give you three herbs, every single time. Besides every statue that you got before increased the chances of you getting more herbs per cooldown, you can never have enough seeds, but you can have stones you can't use.

>>16961395
>the Sage's Helm for see invis
You can get Yacatect's coin just as easily. Rings and necklaces are everywhere in dungeons and Yacatect's boon makes items drop more easily -> more rings and necklaces everywhere.

>>16962725
Statues in 1.67 give you three herbs, every single time. Besides every statue that you got before increased the chances of you getting more herbs per cooldown, you can never have enough seeds, but you can have stones you can't use.

>>16962730
Yeah, I just started using my stones regularly, and I noticed I only lost plants if they fail to regrow, and you can always revive lost plants, so I should be able to increase my farms slowly.
Also thanks for letting me know that sandbagged enemies can trigger Ragnarok, I had no idea how to trigger it reliably as a mage.
Do you keep your sandbagged enemy inside the shelter? That way you wouldn't get any effects from etherwind, but if you activate the shelter on accident you lose the sandbag.

>>16962730
>however 7 of them are used for scarecrows
Wait, scarecrows do something? This is the first I've heard of this.

>>16962791
Yeah, but that requires you to stick with Yacatect over whichever other god you'd want for that entire time

Although now that I think about it Yacatect is probably one of the best gods for earlygame on a fresh character

>>16962797
"When placed in a farm, lowers the spawn rate of enemies"

>>16962792
What I do is go into my shelter, use a summon spell(summon monster, summon spirit, etc) in shelter, kill excess but reduce 1 to near death by knockout special action. Sandbag that one creature. Hit sandbagged creature until Ragnarok happens for its etherwind. Kill off all summoned creatures caused by Ragnarok with the meteor spell or AOE spell of choice if you don't have access to meteor. After that mount slow creature and shift r to rest while in the shelter. If etherwind stops and you need to pass more days just repeat the above again.

>>16962797
A long time ago I heard scarecrows were used to lessen the amount of creatures that showed up on farms. I don't know if there is any truth to it but I never got rid of my scarecrows due to lazyness and the possibility of it being true.

>>16962730
What's with that app name? Was there an update to 1.67?

>>16962938
yes

>>16962946
Does it fix this?

>>16962967
>Fixed starting skill selection getting skipped if a custom class name is not entered when creating a new character.
>Fixed region price modifiers for trade goods becoming 0 if you look at the trader's shop inventory then restart the game.
>Fixed the issue with the spell writer's shop inventory.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25048

>>16960856
I think fishing is only worth it if you find the super lure, otherwise it takes too long.

>>16960265
Above 100% was good enough in previous versions. More if you wanted to increase it quickly or it was important.

>>16962730
>use dimensional fishing to bring the monster to you
which means?

>>16963925
Use dimensional fishing to bring the monster to you.

>>16963925
Uhh you use dimensional fishing.

In case you haven't seen it, it's a skill that draws enemies to you, just like does Hand monsters do. It's a kickass skill during quests.

>>16963925

>>16964068
>$x71
>The monster's level is expected to be around 586
Holy.

Just how much fame do you have?

>>16964122
About 509k.

So I recently learned about this sort of thing in regards to throwing weapons/etc:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ranged_Weapons
Knowing this how does this change your playstyle if at all? I wonder about foregoing range completely for an extra equip towards Melee attack chance boosting vs equipping a laser pistol.

Mostly my piss ass attempt at sparking discussion for a mechanic most probably wouldn't ever know about without browsing the wiki, testing themselves, or looking at code.

>>16966033
Ranged weapons having effective ranges isn't exactly something new and pretty logical

I didn't know about being able to equip any melee gear in the throwing slot though, that's some good shit. Can have an extra shield or resist stick

where is the cap for weapon and armor strenght? is it really just the best material and the additional attributes?

>>16966183
There's a random component that changes whenever its material is changed.

>>16966202
so whats the theoretical strongest weapon that you can create? ether and a bunch of attributes with 100% pierce? and whats that random component?

>>16966223
Two items of the same equipment type and material can have different hit/damage/dv/pv values

>>16966238
so there's luck involved. alright, that's interesting

I've been finding armor with attributes like ''It gives you a chance to throw an absolute piercing attak''. When I equip say, a pair of gloves that has it, will it affect my weapon attacks or only work with unarmed strikes?

My goal is to kill all Gods and all Gods inside of them.

>>16966581

4 dimensional pocket shouldn't require stamina. It makes it hard to take out corpses to cook.

>>16961665
Wow, this is new to me. Do you know if you get any penalties for using it as a melee weapon? This would be totally awesome if I could find one.

>>16966033
<Nightmare> is an insanely good throwing weapon since its damage is the same regardless of distance and it can time stop, but it's so insanely rare to get.

Wow, I actually had a nightmare sitting on the floor of my house for weeks and I didn't pay it any mind. This is neat.

>>16966794
If there is, I didn't notice anything when trying it out. It's dropped by Knights so I suppose you could try having a King keep summoning chess pieces

So I just found my old save file of this game, dating back from August 2013 and version 1.24 of Elona Plus.

What's changed since then? My character has access to the third continent, if that matters, and all the superbosses on continents 1 and 2 were beaten (via incredibly crazy tactics like repeated resurrections of bells of termination to draw attention away from me, or wearing as much thorns gear as possible and then chain healing myself until the boss cut himself to death)

Is the third continent finished yet?

>>16942333
If your hp is low enough and you equip a cursed piece of equipment that causes high enough bleeding, the game becomes unplayable. That hardly ever happens though.

>>16966033
That's why you give Android a shotgun, they always go melee range. With their tough armor, it's a good combination.

Is there a reason why we can crawl up when we die or is it a game mechanic.

>>16967336
It's because you chose advancing mode. If you want permadeath choose the appropriate game mode.

>>16967336
It's a way to avoid permadeath but still penalize dying. I interpret it as making a mad rush to your home without caring that some of your inventory is spilling out

>>16967368

I like this explanation.

>>16967363

I know it's because I chose that mode. I feel like this game doesn't really work well with permadeath since you can be fucked over so easily on top of how in depth and grindy character development is. It basically means you just have to play super safe and not go into higher level dungeons and take risks, which doesn't sound fun to me. There's also the factor of needing good knowledge of the game and the enemies and their capabilities to avoid those risks.

>>16967402
I agree, this game is not made to be played like a regular roguelike. It's a sandbox that you sink hundreds of hours into, and permadeath is not compatible with that.

I've maxed health and mana feats, which ones should I take later?

>>16967575

I feel like the feats you can gain from other sources are kind of useless. I like to pick stuff that's unique like knockout or the 20% speed buff while alone.

>>16967588
There aren't many sources of stamina recovery in the game and I'm constantly using bloodsucking to suck off some stamina juice from the nearest enemy/ally. Really helpful if you spam abilities, dupli, are cooking, performing, bloodsucking is practically a requirement for any playstyle.

>>16967575
I always take Natural Leadership because I like having a lot of pets. It takes a while before you can get a pet with cheer, and even though in E+ it now no longer gives contingency, free speed+hero on the entire party is pretty good

First 2000 AP is always the hardest to get for my pets. After that it just gets easier and easier. I can't imagine raising a pet with even higher INI than Akeno. Even on floor 620 of the void she was only getting 1 AP or 2 AP from enemies. Tagging at that point isn't really a bad idea. Can't bring her INI score down with that new NPC either because last time I checked she ripped bitflags off and reducing her attributes and skills in half is rough. Going to make sure my next pet is much easier to raise.

>>16966264
The gloves will work on weapons. You'll know when you throw an absolute piercing attack when you see vopal/vorpal in your log when you make an attack. It can be a rare thing to see though if the strength of the enchant isn't too good though. Like seeing absolute piercing attack from the gloves of Vesda can be rare. Will need to stack the enchant or find an item with a very strong enchant of it.

Fun fact, if you manage to get a weapon with absolute piercing attack and put it in your shoot slot, absolute pierce can still trigger off of whatever weapon you have in your hands for some reason.

>>16966946
Probably will want to check out the changelogs. I think there should be a link for it in the OP. If not go to the wiki and check them out there. A lot of things have changed. Platinum for training potential, ways to train skills and spells, amount of gold you can get from dungeons, and much much more has changed.

>>16967575
Anything that increases stamina or speed. I'm also a fan of the blood sucking feat which another anon suggested. After that maybe the ones that increase resists. Then after that the feats tend to revolve around picking up special actions that might be helpful in certain situations. You can eventually get all the feats in the game so I wouldn't worry too much about picking up something you might come to find isn't exactly helping you out.

Which early-game pet should I keep as my dedicated waifu for breakfast and sleepcrafts? I can't decide if any have something that keeps them relevant, if they stay relevant regardless, or if I should stick with whatever's cutest.

But who is cutest pet?

>>16968217

>>16968217
Keep the little girl you started with forever.
You did pick a little girl at the start, right?

I need help with running this thing. Everytime I try to run it, it automatically crashes.

>>16942333
You can fuck up your character virtually permanently in a multitude of ways if you don't know what you're doing. Not everyone reads the wiki or the pastebin before starting.

>>16967734
And to think bloodsucking was almost useless in vanilla.

>>16968514
Compatibility options.

>>16968217
Younger sisters are the best pets. Just the best.

>>16968521
For the bmp? I customized some of the graphics, but I simply switched them in from the ones on the pastebin.

>>16968537
Compatibility options for the game exe. Where exactly does the game crash?

>>16968540
As soon as I click "Run"

>>16968540
>>16968541
Nvm, im an idiot who named on of the .bmp wrong

>>16968217
cute fairy is the cutest

>>16968483
>Raised little girl until she became refined Valkyrie wife in her 20s
The best

>>16968483
Little girl just didn't fit with the context of my character; I had to get rid of her.

>>16969039
Incidentally, what sort of setup seems sufficiently "ghosty"? Should I make her unarmed like ghosts are by default, or wield a two-hander as she did in life?

>>16968146
What was she originally? A Pro-jet?

>>16969071
Let her keep her two-handed weapons. You already robbed her of her life, don't rob her of her weapons.

>>16969195
Well little sisters are little sisters after all. I tried this, expecting disappointment and receiving it at the same time.

>>16969113
Originally she was going to be based off of Pro-jet. Then I saw Karata which has both the metal bit and resist elemental bit flags. Just needed to change the sex with forbidden meat and I was on my way to having the pre metal nerf Akeno that my previous character had. So she's really damage resistant at the cost of very high INI.

anyone know how to fix this? My current save wont load on any version of elona (+, custom, any version #) and this includes any old saves i had. i didnt use any custom npcs. making a new charecter works fine but i rather not start hunting for new items again.

>>16969823
Saving inside a dungeon or anywhere that is RNG and trying to update the game will give you that error. The game doesn't know where to put you because the dungeon you're in might not exist in the version you're updating to. That will corrupt your save.

If you have an old save that worked maybe you can try moving your character to a city before updating but if that's not possible you may have to give up on your save and start a new character.

>>16969989
Wow, I had no idea. I tend to make save in the wilderness, so there's nothing is around when you are spawn. Is that also bad?

>>16969195
Little sisters have the best hairstyle.

>>16970078
Might not be bad but it's safest to save in town as those locations are fixed. Other places may be fine but dungeons are definitely a no no

>>16968217
Frisia always tries her best! Best god pet!

Ayo pet-created armor is great, my character's cute girl squad is pumping out gloves and boots with two pages of positive enchantments every night

Lads go to bed on time and teach your wives how to run a sweatshop

If I switch back and forth between the jp and eng version of the game is there a way to fix the fucked up text you get from switching?

I updated my game from 1.66 to 1.67 + custom and just noticed pic related. The Mage Guild spellwriter's restock timer is at the negative, and she will never stock up on any books I try to reserve. Anyone encounter this?

I still have ample stock of my most used spells, but man it will dwindle down when I actually start the spellspam, should I just wait for updates? Please don't say my save is screwed.

I updated my game from 1.66 to 1.67 + custom and just noticed pic related. The Mage Guild spellwriter's restock timer is at the negative, and she will never stock up on any books I try to reserve. Anyone encounter this?

I still have ample stock of my most used spells, but man it will dwindle down when I actually start the spellspam, should I just wait for updates? Please don't say my save is screwed.

>>16971735

Spend 4000 hours maxing all close combat and ranged skills and by the time you finish you can come back to magic.

>>16971735
I don't know what happened but always, *always* back up your shit. I have 3 copies of my elona folder. I mean you can easily spend several times as much time on this than it takes to get to level 9999 with 250 reincarnations in a Disgaea game. I've got 435 hours on one of my four characters alone, who wants to risk losing that? I hear a save can even get corrupted if you update your game version while in a random area/dungeon instead of a static one

>>16971867
I still have my old save prior to updating to 1.67, loaded it up and rushed to Lumiest. And yeah, the problem is indeed in the update. Back to 1.66 I guess.

>>16971812
I just want to blow stuff up with magic, is that too much to ask?

>>16971922
Man so far 1.67 has been nothing but a clusterfuck

should i stay in 1.66 or move to 1.67? what does 1.67 even add?

>>16972002
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:24959

Some highlights are a main quest battle, pickable flowers in the wilderness, couple new items, new NPCs, rebalancing of potential, more living weapons and material kits, questionable anti-save scumming measures (removal of F2/a lot more auto-saving), summoned NPCs no longer drop anything, ''it's too unfair to equip'' flag seems to be triggering and rendering equipment useless (????), corpses now always give resistance but less of it

>>16972028
Oh also scrolls of __ material now cycle through a set list of materials in a set order (with some materials only available from blessed version)

>>16971735
>>16971922
Disregard this, I'm blind and stupid. Recent update to 1.67 has fixed this issue. Good news is I can continue with my latest save. Lesson learned though.

>>16972002
What sold me on 1.67 is the 50% potential gain when you train with platinum, as opposed to 20%. Really helps.

So can I just make tons of rabbit ranches and collect lucky tails? Do ranch creatures drop body parts?

>>16972122
They do and a lot of meat, milk and eggs to boot. But the droprate for rabbit tails in particular is quite low. For luck you might as well beat Pael's quest, then keep turning in little sisters for happy apples.

>>16972148

The wiki says 1/200 but I always get loaded with tails from harvest time quests. I seem to have good luck finding them so I thought it might be a good idea especially since it would be passive.

>>16972166
It's 1/20 now, BUT you need to have the "rare loot" trigger on.

>>16972575

I guess mine never turns off anyway since I don't really turn the game off.

>>16972657
>Since I don't really turn the game off

Has anyone here ever killed a god inside the god without cheating? How is it done? Is it possible with a melee build?

>>16972905
Cheese it by popping meteors at the opposite end of Truce Ground.

>>16972905
If you grind forever like Kai you can do it by buffing then punching themost for millions of damage.

I remember him posting doing exactly that to Opatos, then sandbagging the inner God in perma death mode with screen shots.

>>16972905
I've done it twice now for all the gods and I don't cheat. One time with my previous character in advancing mode and my current character on inferno defeated him like 400 hours ago. I could have possibly beaten everyone at the 200 hour mark if I was willing to take risks with my inferno character.

With my current character all I did was punch and use martial arts related special actions and some buffs to kill all of them. My previous character used magic storm primarily with the exception for Lulwy where he used his anti material rifle and planted a .50 cal bullet between her eyes. My previous character's wife, which was a Valkyrie that two handed the pile driver, managed to solo Itzpalt going full melee while I watched. Didn't need to heal her, rez her, or do anything.

Physical, magic, or whatever should work. You just need to be strong in whatever your damage source is.

So copying the younger sister merchant with an astral light pen doesn't retain the 'summon younger sister' action.

>>16974218
I didn't think it would. It's kind of OP against enemies with no AoEs in which a limitless army of decoys are spawned.

>>16972575
You mean the thing that turns on 10 minutes into the game and then never turns off? No problemo.

There should be more attacks with cool effects like blade turbulence. I got scared the first time I saw it.

>>16948431
>>16952639
So, did any of those work, anon?

So, I cheated to do some testing to see if having an extra hand slot lets you perform more than 4 martial art attacks while holding a tonfa/claw. I had maxed dex, perception, martial arts and eye of mind while equipping a bunch of extra attack equipment and the god-breaker in the shoot skill for crit chance.

I got 4 hands from Gavela abuse. With no tonfa and claw, I was able to perform more than 4 attacks, one time getting the legendary 8 attacks. When I changed to a smash tonfa though, I didn't notice any more than 4 attacks at most, ignoring "furthermore, the machine arm attacks" which I believe is from the proximity assist. From this, I don't think having multiple hand slots lets you get crazy amounts of attacks with claws/tonfas. Sorry Kai for crushing your mutant martial artist dream.

What kind of servants do you guys have in your house?

Thought this was funny. Have gone through what must have been multiple kingdoms worth of chessmen looking for the <Knightmare>. No luck so far...

>>16977096
Visibility... getting... bad

>>16977258
Yes! It's finally over!

>>16977269
Good job m8

>>16975352
Thanks for looking into this and sharing. I'll keep this in mind when modifying the slots for Kai's mech.

>>16977075
I have 8 highly invested magic vendors lined up in my home to provide me with material scrolls, wonder scrolls, flying scrolls, potions of potential, potions of cure corruption, potions of evolutions, love potions, and spellbooks of wish. Almost all these items I make a lot of use of.

I had a maid once...until I realized her existence was to snuff mine out and to undermine me and cause me grief. Naming my house things that would get the guards called on me, inviting shady people to get me into the porn industry and to create blackmail material, inviting kids to burn down my home, inviting con artists dressed up as homeless people to play on my kindness that would trick me out of hundreds of thousands of gold, and inviting that one adventurer I told her explicitly that I didn't want to see because said adventurer always comes in drunk and throws up all over the place. To save her job she would invite trainers to see me but that wasn't enough. I kicked her to the curb.

The only real thing I miss from that maid was how sometimes desirable adventurers would come to give me new year presents. I would get some nice things from them. However, after I fired the maid I just wished for new year gifts until I got all the stuff I wanted from them.

>>16977329
>Rideable mech armor
That's a fun idea.
I remember someone made an army complete with a rideable tank once.

>>16977329
>Lv5864

>>16977356
Almost as high as my previous character's. Got at least 1000 levels from doing challenge/panic job board quests and doing the void. The vast majority of my levels have come from wishing for descent potions and blessing them. Can pull at least 50 wishes from one spellbook of wish and wonder scrolls also provides Kai with wish stock as well as stock for spells that don't come from spellbooks such as meteor. Probably the main reason why all my vendors in my house are magic vendors.

I moved my house and my pet snail disappeared and isn't listed on the house board, but the bartender was able to summon him

>>16977798
He tried to escape but he was too slow

>want to try melee build
>too spoiled by "hold F" ranged gameplay
wish elona had dcss tabbing, i know shadow step kinda does that but can't spam it too much unless a weapon that restores stamina on hit exists and i find it

>>16977988
Hold F gameplay with a lot of pets is the best

I finally rushed the main quest so I could start getting kumiromi statues and south tyris seems kind of shitty.

>>16977988
Isn't there a static artifact sword that drains stamina you can get at the end of act 1? I think Orphe carries it.