/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>16887893
Alright anons. How goes your games going? What are you currently trying to do? What new features are you excited for?

>>16887893
I got killed in lvl 14 dungeon as lvl 30 wizard, so not sure what to do at the moment. Going to ressurect my party and try again, I guess.

>>16888160
meant for
>>16888116

What is the strongest weapon in the game and why is it chestnuts?

They should add a precious Chestnut throwing weapon.

>>16886898
Your character is exposed to the Etherwind during the intro.

>>16886902
She's also only 120cm tall, while Opatos is at least 240 from the picture.
I hope you can waifu her daughters and herself, if Noa wants the game to be anything like Rune Factory. (just kidding, you can't get MILFs in RF)

>>16887027
I have always thought Elona and RF were similar, and apparently Noa thinks too. I always recommend Elona to people who like RF and vice versa. Funny that the sequel is actually inspired on it.

>>16885251
I'm using the custom sprite spaces for touhous. With elosnack rigged up all the "busybody(playable)" touhous not in the party as random adventurers and much like you are adventuring with the best touhou faction. I even made with editing Maid Fairy/Chupacabra(Tupai)/Hobgoblins sprites. Trying to think of a way to have them roaming around the Mansion without using up the very limited pet space as that wouldn't yield the results I want.

>>16885251
>>16890282
>Continued
By the way, you can use the tall custom sprites spaces for smaller sprites without consequences.
Just don't use the top half, and it works the same as the smaller ones.

Is there a way to use a custom sprite to represent the PC? It's always odd to see the default race sprite represent you when I look at the adventurers list.

Does cursed food train or abuse your stats? I don't get the way the wiki entry is written. Do you only lose stats if you vomit due to anorexia?

Desire for violance says [DV -#, Dmg bonus +#] ingame, but the wiki says its [Dmg taken + Dmg Bonus +], which is it?

Assuming the latter, is it a flat increase in damage taken and dealt, or percentage?

>>16888160
What's your gear looking like? If you're lacking defense, invest in a magic vendor to mid 50s and stock up on a decent amount of change material scrolls, bless the stack and reroll your gear.

>>16892422
my gear is glass + 1/2, don't have much gold but I'll try investing into magic.

>>16892477
Do you have seven league boots? Before it's too late is fairly safe money, and you'll only need about 70k to invest 50 the first time.

>>16892504
don't have them

>>16892678
Savescum drinking from wells until you get a wish and get em

>>16892723
I'll pass, thank you

><Siva> the destruction in the Void
>good thing he's underleveled
>shouldn't be a problem, I can crush Ulzassil in the Void and he's another South Tyris extra boss
>buff myself with Speed
>in one turn it runs at me from 4 squares away and bites me in half

>>16891678
Only lose stats if anorexic or food is rotten. Cursed just makes you vomit.

>>16892415
Probably percentage.

>>16892903
>Thinking Siva is comparable with any of his homies

Servers are dead? No more getting random NPCs from moongates?

Is Elona+ worth it or should I stick with vanilla ?

>>16897255
It has many times the content vanilla had and is still being developed, Noa the original dev of vanilla dropped the game years and years ago

Was Kaneda Bike originally made to resemble this? I wonder what the original reference was.

>>16897117
>moongates
I'm surprised people bother with those, all the ones I remember were just filled with as many traps, high level monsters, and death as possible.

Did they nerf the amount of money you make from finishing a dungeon? I'm only getting like 2k from a level 40 dungeon.

>>16898493
Yes, there's also a glitch that causes a lot of the reward money to spawn at random places in the floor.

>>16898711
That's stupid, may as well remove it entirely if its going to be that low. No wonder its taking so long to get my palace this run.

>>16898711
That's not a glitch. That was done on purpose so it's not getting fixed. People rushing the dungeon boss for gold and not exploring dungeons rubbed Ano the wrong way. He also wanted people to explore other ways to make gold.

>>16898903
That's a retarded feature imo.

>>16898903
Tbh this actually stop players from going into dungeon. I remembered I love the high risk high reward of the dungeon when I was low level. This change actually make it high risk low reward, making it not worth for any adventurer who don't really need the equipment from dungeon.

>>16898952
>>16898982
It's a strange feature for sure. I have to hand it to Ano that it accomplished what he set out to do though. Mainly the explore more ways to earn gold.

After the nerf I make around 250k gold from lv 400-500 dungeons with 5 floors. Exact way gold works now in dungeons is that past the first floor there are piles of gold that must be found. So for a lv 490 with 5 floors, floors 2-5 will have 50k gold piles somewhere on them that must be found. The boss of the dungeon also is supposed to have a gold pile on him. So 50k on him but currently there is a bug that his 50k is on the dungeon floor along with the normal gold pile found on a floor. That is supposedly getting fixed next version.

Since I'm having to seek out the gold piles I end up just picking up lots of other stuff on the floor that sell in my shops. Also run into more material nodes so I have stuff to craft for my shops. So the true amount that I'm making from dungeons is definitely higher but I've had to utilize other features of the game to do it. Still making millions of gold each in game day so my earnings haven't really changed after the nerf it's just that it's not as easy to make millions just by doing dungeons alone anymore.

I do find it a bit funny that a farmer could probably make as money as the dungeon diver if they only did their respective fields. But the person that does both such as plants stuff and goes to dungeons while waiting for his stuff to grow and later harvest for sale probably makes more than the two. So it's now all about combining multiple income streams.

Even though dungeons got their gold nerfed they are still a necessary fixture of the game to explore since dungeons still remain a viable source of platinum, small medals, and big daddies.

>>16899194
How long does it take you to play through a day with that much speed, anyway?

>>16899480
A day goes by very slowly at this high of speed. Traveling on the over map makes the day go by a bit quicker but it's still takes some time. If I really want days to go by fast I need to hop on a creature that will cut my speed like a snail.

If I copy the younger sister merchant with the astral light pen, does she keep the summon more younger sisters special action?

Is there a place for all the old character bmps. I prefer some sprites over others and I want edit them in

Did they really have to add these new Adventure Seminar NPCs to all levels of the Party Time! quest? As if the early levels weren't impossible enough.

Imagine being such a piece of shit that you attend EVERY party just to get triggered by some kid playing Chopsticks for the elderly and the homeless.

Not to mention that I've been seeing multiple Loyters in many parties.

>>16900218
>Not to mention that I've been seeing multiple Loyters in many parties.

Yeah me too. It sucks because I'm playing a fairy mage with like 100 hp at level 40.

I've got 270 bonus points to spend, is it a good move to spend them all on magic arrow if I'm playing a mage?

>>16898493
You're making less money because the boss doesn't drop everything itself anymore. You have to seach the floors to find the rest, like what other people said.

>>16900218
>>16900261
Fixed in 1.67.

>>16900334
So let me get this right, does the money drop, all over the dungeon, after the boss dies or is it there from the beginning?

>>16900340
From the beginning. This was done to stop people from making 5M in 5 minutes from rushing bosses.

Does this gold change impact all levels of dungeons, or just after a certain point?

Updated my martial arts guide

https://pastebin.com/kJ1ZquGJ

Created the pet guide

https://pastebin.com/AfXUXxpy

>>16900274
I personally don't think so. There's spells stronger than it that scale far better. The AOE spells/ball spells in particular are stronger. I used magic dart a lot until I was able to cast stuff like magic storm and after that my use of magic dart became very limited. Mainly to pick off guys further than my magic storm range that for some reason I couldn't walk over to tag.

Take a look at the spell technical page to make an informed decision on what spells you might want to raise.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells_(Elona%2B)/Technical

>>16900573
Seems to affect all the random dungeons that pop up regardless of their levels.

>>16899655
My gut feeling says she doesn't since almost all summon like spells seem to get nerfed or changed once brought on as a pet from my experience. I could be wrong though. If you're willing to test it out please share your results.

So a trick-or-treater just set fire to my house after I told him to "trick" me, how can I put this shit out?

>>16901608

Throw potions at the fires.

>>16898903
The problem never was dungeon bosses being too good, it was always that dungeons suck except for the bosses.

>>16901608
cast web (or acid ground) at the fires

>>16901914
I'm the other way around. Enjoy the dungeon but bosses cause me to anguish. When I signed up to be an adventurer they never told you about female orcs bursting through walls to kill you and defile your corpse. I had a hard time deciding whether I would rise from my grave or to stay in my grave and cry.

If you astral light pen a unique NPC can you astal light pen the copy you made?

Didn't play for about a year, was there any significant new big thing after Lost Irva? The changelog looks super long.

Why do I sometimes pick up only one item from a stack, and how do I do it on purpose?

>>16902404
The Cradle of Chaos has been updated and has 39 floors now, stopping right before the final boss.

>>16901568
You forgot ents have gardening now.

>>16898086
The original reference was Kaneda's bike in Akira.

Duh

>>16902974
He means the sprite.

>>16903054
I feel stupid.

Is this game mostly just doing repetitive quests and grinding? Is it supposed to take 1-4 hours to gain a level?
I feel like I'm not playing this right

>>16903449
It's like Daggerfall, yeah. You're supposed to take it easy.

I'm kind of new to Elona+ and, after recruiting a wing snail, decided to mess around with breeding shades, because they seemed weird and I wanted to check them out. But now that I've got some shades, I realize I have no idea how to tell what they're mimicking, or what the best way to handle them is. Should I just take them out and hope they're strong allies, or what?

>>16901568
Thanks Kai, now my next character can be a pet user. I just never "got" them

>>16903686
Killing them drops a corpse of what they are mimicking, so that's one way.

Without savescumming, your only option seems to be to inspect them with informer's service or insight lens and then figure out what they mimic from their race and class.

>>16904043
Would milking them work too?

>>16904063
Yes, I completely forgot about that. They leave milk of red wasp and eggs of dog while on the ranch. If you get milk of shade, it's not mimicking anything.

>>16898086
most likely ano decided he wanted some sprites for vehicles, then later decided to add an Akira reference but didn't want to make a new sprite and just used what he had

>>16898399
I tried a metric ton of them back in the day, and while a lot of them were as you described, many were cute little cabins with crystals that add custom NPCs/monsters to monster or neutral npc generation. For some you had to explore some kind of maze or find a back room to get to the NPC crystal.

I got all sorts of weird monstrosities and cute girls roaming my world that were pretty well made (fitting class/level/skills and all), shitty ones I could just delete from the user folder

Found something wrong in my martial arts pastebin so I went back and fixed it. Also had no idea why I forgot to mention swarm up to now in the guide.

I've always used that special action and it's stronger than I previously thought when I first heard about it. Swarm attacks all adjacent targets to you however if you have multiple attacks each creature is subject to them. So like one enemy will get hit with 5 attacks and another possibly 8. I like seeing my log explode with attacks. Suppose it's possible to get up to
64 attacks and 64 trailing attribute damage numbers in one attack if I was completely surrounded by durable enemies.

https://pastebin.com/z3QZ93zV

>>16902909
Added. If anyone else has any comments or suggestions let me know.

https://pastebin.com/drP1iuz1

>>16904919
>64 attacks and 64 trailing attribute damage numbers in one attack
*in one turn/action

>>16901914

I wish dungeons also had randomly placed decorative furniture/props in them. A couple times I've seen some random drop like a bench next to a wall, and thought it looked great and it really went a long way to make the dungeon seem like more than just a featureless cave, even though it was just a single bench.

Maybe one day I'll take a look at the dungeon generation scripts and see if there's a simple way to get random furniture to spawn, then donate the code to Bloodyshade.

>>16904919
For raising AP, scaled up bats are harmless, fast, and and easy to take out (only 10 life), so magic users can easily take advantage of Panic quests and get easy AP.

>>16905890
Definitely. I remember Camazotz bats being really easy pickings for AP. Really liked it when they showed up for challenge or panic quests. Think I made mention of panic and challenge quests being a good source of AP in the how to level up pet skills section. At least I hope that it was addressed there since I was contemplating making AP a whole section but in one of my sections I talked about it enough that I didn't really have more to add about it.

>>16905292
That would be nice.

I just killed Zeome and the score screen had page 1/4 in the corner, but I couldn't flip between pages. What the hell was on pages 2-4?

>>16906149
I cast return to my house after the cutscene and it took me to Port Kapul, was I supposed to leave another way and get another cut scene?

>>16906164
Not sure about cutscenes with Custom, but that's where you appear after the fight. Also check your in-game date and age.

>Exams over in 4 days
>4.5 months away from responsibility afterword
>I feel the itch again

I was going to accomplish so much. I was going to travel.

>>16906216
you know you want to
come on, just one hour a day

>>16906169
I am 3 years older as expected, all of my crops grew, and I think those bones mean some of my putties died

>>16887893
>tfw got my T420 thinkpad
>tfw realised there's no numpad

are there any alternative control schemes I can work out or something?

>>16905292
Mapgen has always been the biggest thing holding roguelikes back. They do very nice, detailed RPGs but the maps are always bare-bones RPG maker trash.

>>16907309
Japanese roguelikes, I mean.

Is the list of good shop npcs on the wiki outdated? It hasn't changed in since Elona+ came out, there has to be some better shop npcs now.

So what's the first thing I should be spending my AP on for myself and pets?

>Can't cast return back to the prior continent with my house/shop/etc
The fuck? That's kind of ass levels of inconvenient.

>>16906846
Bones appear randomly, none of your ranch pets will die unless you kill them.

What does squeezing a ranch pet do? Do they lose stats or something when milked?

>>16908564
Apparently your pets regrow new bones.

>>16909246
I like to think they lose some of their willpower

Does the 1.64 version of CU work well? Or do I need to upgrade? I made it through north tyris without any mods because the bad translations are great, but south tyris the translations are totally missing or incoherent.

browser yells at me if I try to open https://bloodyshade.no-ip.org:42333/ElonaCustom/E+/
I don't see a mega link for 1.64 there
Am I gonna die? Does anyone have the md5 of the 1.64 version?

>>16909246
I think you can forcibly milk them a certain number of times, then they die

What's a semi-early mount that could last me the whole game? Maybe something I can evolve. I want it to be cool, like a unicorn or something.

Ah, my nemesis. We meet at last.

>>16909710
That's just good comedy right there

>>16909650

I've been using CU 1.65 with no issues. I'm sure the newer versions work fine as well.

>>16909710
I knew that sounded familiar.

>>16909246
I tried squeezing something on my ranch for the first time, and got no milk, just a dead critter. Oh god. What have I done.

I looked through the pastebin but I don't see instructions on how to install custom

>>16910308
wait, this zip from bloodyshade's site is just a copy of elona+ wtf
do I just copy paste my save into custom? why were people in the custom thread on the wiki talking about backing up saves

>>16910308
You download Elona+ and copy Elona custom over it, making sure the versions are compatible. Do you want me to write you instructions on how to wipe your ass so you stop shitting your diapey?

>>16909246
You get better quality milk than what they passively generate. It's limited to once per day, I think.

>>16910326
>why were people in the custom thread on the wiki talking about backing up saves
That's just good to do in general whenever you change something in case something gets messed up.

>>16906724
3 days left
Anon it's hard. Not only do I want to play on my break, I want to play NOW.

>>16906886

Use AHK to bind * to something else or buy a separate numpad like I did.

>>16910449
how stupid of me to not know how to do the unintuitive thing for which there are no instructions

>>16910449
>>16910977
This is a happy place for friends to talk about fun video games they like.

>>16910977
>there are no instructions
It's actually linked a few lines below where you found Bloodyshade's site on the pastebin (Ctrl+f install would have helped). Instructions also happen to be in the first paragraph in the Elona Custom and Elona CU Discussion linked in the OP.

>>16906886
>>16910947
What? I don't get. Why don't you just open config.txt and change the hotkeys to your liking?

It's been a while, are player houses and death notifications still kill?

Over Ray is definitely one of the more interesting group related special actions. Just me and Mai since she's the caster of the group managed to do close to 180k to this minotaur down in the void. Since the damage scales off of casting and magic and increases with more members out that have high numbers in both I wonder how high the numbers could go.

>>16907318
Most likely but the list should still be good. I just wonder if it's worth it to hunt down a creature that starts off with higher negotiation and charisma . Most likely those creatures will be higher level and may have a higher INI score leading to higher trainer fees to keep potentials high.

My lv 100 slash ogre with 423 negotiation that she raised through grinding by running the store costs less to train than my lv 175 Yacatect with 361 negotiation.

So it actually might be more worthwhile just to grab a low level person, possibly gene engineer negotiation to it if they don't have it, and have them just become a good sales person instead of being a natural at it. If you can get over the initial investment you may end up spending less gold in the long run.

>>16907324
If you're lacking in speed I'd say increase that first. You should be able to raise it to 500. After that you can spend AP on bonus points or traits like barrier and charm. Other stuff you should get from Leold can be very situational.

>>16907324
Continuous attack is pretty useful I think, and it only costs 100 AP to learn. Definitely prioritize speed though.

>>16911495
I remember when I was first trying to kill the gods I planned on using max level magic spirits to spirit bomb them with Over-Ray. I still want to do that someday.

>>16909691
Anything as long as it has that thing where the creature was intended to be treated as a mount and you don't take penalties from riding it. Seen people go from horse to pascal to lityou.

>>16907314
What Japanese roguelikes do you know other than Elona and One Way Heroics, and not considering Mystery Dungeon?

>>16907318
I'm almost sure I saw an updated list somewhere on the wiki.

>>16909246
>>16909395
That's really lewd.

>>16909650
Why not just update to 1.66?

>>16909691
You'll have to train them if you want them to last the whole game, one way or another. Otherwise you'll have to dump the mount at some point and get a faster one.

>>16911295
Yes.

the fuck

>>16909246
Everytime you milk them their Life gets halved. If you milk them with 1 Life they die.

I just watched a little girl in the Cradle of Chaos punch a five head god so hard it had to run for its life.

>>16912389
Is your PC okay?

>>16914060
Life or HP?

>>16908442
I went to South Tyris, looked around briefly, and then went home because there's not much reason to actually be there.

>>16917322
Life, and it's permanent.

When I have a tonfa equipped, my Shield skill increases, but is it actually doing anything?

Hi, anons.
1.67 is up.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:24959

>>16917814
How long does it usually take for custom to be updated?

>>16917814
It got rid of quick load?

>>16911896
As in excluding the entire mystery dungeon genre? Then not a lot. Maidensnow would probably be the only one worth mentioning.

>>16917814
>All this anti savescum bullshit in this update

Save that for a higher difficulty, this isn't an online game with a leaderboard, save scumming doesn't hurt people.

>>16917919

Yea I agree, it's just a personal choice on how you want to play but whatever.

>>16917919
This. Save scumming has always been an option in Elona and now because some dickhead doesn't like people having fun unless it's in his specific way it's gone.

>won't be able to savescum an early skill raid without copy-pasting saves
Uh-oh.

>Niche weeb game about sniffing little girl farts and killing god is still getting consistent, meaty updates by one man living in a hole in the ground eating cup ramen

The world really is a wonderful place. Happiness around every corner.

I hope BloodyShade counteracts Ano's faggotry when he updates Custom. God speed Bloody.

>>16918061
As long as he makes it an option that I could tick off. Please stay in Derphy you save scummers I don't want to deal with you dirty people.

>>16918082
You aren't, because it's a singleplayer game, stop being autistic.

>>16918100
No you stop being autistic. Why should I be forced to play with your rule set when I want to play with the new one without save scumming and all the changes that were made for a world without it? The best thing Bloody can do to appease both groups is to make it an option to either play with the old settings or to play with the new settings.

>>16918105
You don't HAVE to press f2. You don't HAVE to reload after getting attacked by assassins, or getting a bad floor in a dungeon. You aren't FORCED to do anything you fucking cretin.

>>16918112
I want to play with the new loot rules and the other things changed that only make sense in implementing due to no save scumming. Being able to save scum would break the stuff introduced besides the removal of F2. I hope Bloody has considered that a lot of the changes in the changelog stem from the removal of save scumming and will offer it as an option.

"Vermin breeding when I'm not looking" - Ano's thoughts on custom.

How did this piece of shit develop such a god complex over a freeware game he didn't even make?

Well I would say that future updates from Ano will probably be based on the assumption that save scumming has been removed or curbed at the very least. Problems with game balance certainly can come up when very important game mechanics start getting changed.

>>16918162
Whito Pigus will neva understand. Welcome to Japan Gaijin and all that other fun xenophobic stuff. Not that other countries of the world aren't any less racist. They just are better at being subtle about it.

>>16918168
or put back in.

Why are you all so mad?

>>16918551
Can't speak for the others but I'm happy for the changes. No save scumming never affected me because I tend to not do that in all games I play. I let the chips fall however they fall because even setbacks can make the game interesting.

You can still easily save scum by just alt + f4, it's what I did before I know f2 even existed, and still do since f2 makes my game crash on load.

>>16919394
1.67 saves a lot more often now, so you need to make lots of backups, too. Which a good practice, really, so maybe we should thank Ano for that.

Removing the autosave should be easy enough at least.

In the source, there's variables called "autosave = 1" placed hundreds of times, and I can imagine what would happen if that 1 was turned into a 0.

>>16918162
>translating a huge part of the game is vermin-tier
really makes me think

>>16919739
Was it really that part that bothered him? I was under the impression it was limited to his opinion on gameplay styles, such as it is.

>>16919772
Well an opinion like
>people are playing the game a way I don't like means I should remove it all together
is even worse

>>16917814
>>16917919
>>16917928
>>16917977
Thankfully I'm not held at gunpoint to update and I will not be doing so. Maybe when a significant actual update is done instead of removing optional features.

>>16918162
>"Vermin breeding when I'm not looking" - Ano's thoughts on custom.
Source? Because what the fuck.

Did the creators of custom actually asked for ano's permission when they started their project or is that another
'it is just a translation, no need to ask' thing?.

I mean if he gave his okay before and now suddenly changed his opinion then I can understand how everyone suddenly is raging on ano.
Dont want to meddle or say anyone is at fault, just am curious.

>>16920148
Pretty sure custom was "just a translation doesn't hurt anyone" didn't ask thing that eventually added a could quality of life features

Nice update.

You know with the new updates to equipment an artifact claw can have 26 damage from being adamantium (according to the material spreadsheet) and +15 from the enhance bonus. thats +41 damage each. A snail with 10 arms gets +410 bonus damage with that setup. Not to mention the extra damage from martial arts or their gun+ammo. Maybe pick up ears, hooves, and hatred from ether disease, and you have one overpowered character.

>>16920148
The current frustration people are demonstrating isn't about custom, it is about E+ itself.

Also nobody needs Ano's consent on anything, much like he didn't need Noa's consent when he started developing his own version of Elona.

I understand that Noa released his source and there is a bit of a difference there, but Noa never treated scummers or people developing hacking tools for Elona with such disgust, and that was WAY before he probably even considered releasing the source.

>>16920428
Maybe we wouldn't even need hacking tools at all if basic things like being able to set our own titles or our own background were a thing we could do instead of rolling RNG for something as stupid as that. Tings like that have been way overdue for a fix.

Custom was a big step in the right direction for letting us customize pets further and is probably the biggest update for me between now and 30 versions ago.

>>16917814
>Increased the decrease in potential when attributes, spells, and skills level up
>Removed game loading with the F2 key
>The game will auto-save when opening a monster ball

>>16917814
>>16920529
>Increased the decrease in potential when attributes, spells, and skills level up
What the fuck.
I'm spending 20 plats per point and it goes down by 40% each time already.
Is it normal for me to have to use roughly 4 quests worth of platinum coins for one skill point?

>>16920428
.... I really dont want to say to much but considering the people here, I will be hunted to hell anyway.

Quite frankly people really don't like it if they invest hours of work into something and then find out someone else is just taking their work and modifiyng it without asking
The 'we dont need to ask for permission' thing is just the icing on the cake.
And to add to that, look this is a mod right but regardless if is just a freeware mod if ano has not stated that his mod is freely moddable or changeable, then technically, yes you need to ask.

Of course the creator may just not feel like agreeing anyway. Ano even if asked probably wouldnt have agreed anyway because he seems to take a bit to much pride in his work and not because of xenophobia (seriously every time that word comes up...)

About the save scumming and all that ....
I mean it is a fucking mod and the creator of it can do what he wants, if he says it is the no savescumming mod, then it is and if he ruins the gameplay with it then it is sad, sure but how many mods have you seen which started great but became total crap. Maybe someone else will release a better elona mod later.

Both elona+ and elona custom teams evidently hate the other side and also seek support, regardless if it is ano on his blog insulting custom or custom team on the wiki site insulting ano .....

So that the mod dev is now rather poisonous is no wonder, that the custom team now feels slighted is also not surprising.

Best would be to start a new mod that is from beginning not based on E+ but of course that is to difficult and the 'why should we' comes up.

...Ah wonderful lets see how many hate repliesl I will get

>>16920148
No one needs Ano's permission. Noa didn't entrust the game to him and him only when he quit working on it. You know how many other alternatives to Elona+ there were? Several dozens, I remember trying out a bunch myself. Elona+ just became the most popular. This isn't Ano's game, never was and never will be.

>>16920684
I find it funny how you differentiate between Ano and Custom (by trying to associate Custom with guilt for not asking for permission while saying Ano has the right to do whatever he wants), both are just mods.

Custom in no way at all affects E+ or Ano, in fact, if anything it would get more people into E+ by providing some more accessibility.

Custom doesn't claim or steal anything from E+, in fact Custom tries its hardest to keep complete compatibility with E+ at all times, first because it is mostly an "addon" rather than a fully fledged mod, and it doesn't want E+ players to be bound to Custom in any case. It also doesn't redistribute anything from E+ other than a few files that are modified by custom itself.

I do not think there is a burden on anybody to actually "ask for permission" in this case (and it is well known to those that tried to contact Ano before for several things, how he'd just ignore the emails), it is a mod, mods of mods are also just mods, and in this particular case, it is not even a standalone mod, nor is it claiming to be its own thing, it is rather just an "addon" for E+, and completelly separated from it in that sense. You make it sound like this is something people need to make contracts over, hence you don't seem to understand the basic concept of modding.

Also, Custom isn't even part of the discussion about save-scumming, but you insist on bringing it into it.

>>16920684
Downvoted, just because you are such a ponce. There's your hate reply.

I don't remember Anna being mad about this, disappointed perhaps. And Ano's work is good enough that people keep updating their Elona+.

>he seems to take a bit to much pride in his work and not because of xenophobia"
I think you nailed it. The whole anti-savescumming comes from him simply not liking what he read on a couple of Elona discussions between japs, after all. Nothing to do with Custom. Kinda childish, isn't it?

>>16920684
While I get his frustration (some creator really hate people modding their work, while some like it because it's a proof that his work is popular), it doesn't really matter to me. If you hate modding and don't want others to do a better job than you for free, do a better job yourself.

I wonder what would Ano think if he knew how much the Chinese Translation Team had changed his work (removing autosave from almost everything).

I think what ticks me off about Ano regarding his opinion with EC is that he himself has received some inspiration from it. Not only blatantly with the official addition of leaving Harvest Time quests early, but also allegedly using word for word translations from Anna for E+ without contacting her. (I'm not sure about this, but discussion on the Elona wikia's forum says this is true)

If Ano is indeed looking at EC to add additions to E+, while also calling it akin to "Vermin breeding while I'm not looking" then not only does he have a severe complex regarding how he wants people to play his game, but also a fucking hypocrite.

And it's a shame. E+ is a really good mod to original Elona, and Ano has implemented some great ideas to make the game so much better in big ways (such as overhauling the magic system and artefact fusion) to relatively small overhauling old feats to include new special actions, the new Teztcatlipoca boss being able to scale to your strength, so it's easier for weaker players who don't grind as much, and more of a challenge for super stronk grinders. I wish future bosses will do something like this)

Heck, at least Ano compensates for the save-scumming stamp-out by greatly reducing the need to save-scum in the first place. The man has some great ideas and has done great work, such a shame he's an ass about it and his philosophy regarding game design "People MUST play the game how I want to" is totally backwards.

Also, last point regarding save-scumming. One big reason why Ano has curbed SS is because he's sick of people suggesting to new players on the Japanese forum to SS as the main way to play. I can understand his concern, but totally removing one way to play isn't good game design. If people want to SS, let them. If I were in Ano's shoes, I'd overhaul the difficulty modes which were intended to answer this issue. Make the current build of the game (Increased loot, no save-scumming) the "normal" mode, and overhaul the currently existing difficulties to be SS friendly for those who want to do it. So there's options for how people want to play.

>>16921059
>If Ano is indeed looking at EC to add additions to E+, while also calling it akin to "Vermin breeding while I'm not looking"
You idiot. It's a quote from the game, that anon was joking. For fuck's sake.

>>16921121
No, it's a quote from his blog. I wasn't joking.

>>16921121
>>16921125
I sorta forgot to mention how that was an alleged quote as well. Though I'm pretty sure it's not in-game unless it's from the new update, since I've never seen it.

Since I don't know how to get to Ano's blog, nor can I read Japanese, can you point us where he said this quote? If not, just link me to his blog so I can attempt to machine-translate read it anyway please.

>>16921155
http://wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/
This is his blog, custom has been out of around a year, so it could be anywhere in that time.

way easier to get random invokes on living weapons now

>>16921206
Is there a way to reroll it so I can update a living weapon from 1.66 to 1.67?

>>16921206
using wizard mode on a junk account to test this:
"Living weapons will now come with one Godly-class equipment attribute even if they are only of Miracle level. However, the level of the attribute will be slightly lower than that on a Godly piece of equipment."

>>16921223
I don't think so honestly.


Also unrelated but is MP drain even good?

As with all major updates with lots of changes bugs are to be expected. Did some testing with the lowering of INI on captured pets before I went live with changing the INI with party members. NPC for changing INI is in the Oblivion Palace.

Rather straightforward in figuring out what option changes INI. However, you will need to remove the precious ally status on your pets before changing their INI or they won't show up in the list for choosing. For the most part, the changing of INI works as advertised but I noticed for bitflag pets that strange things happen to their bitflags. They either change a bit or they get removed completely. Don't know if this was done on purpose so for now I think this is a bug.

I guess I will not be lowering my pet Akeno's INI due to not wanting her to lose her bitflags. Looks like I'll have to venture deeper into the void to get AP for her. INI values can be changed for the player's character as well which is nice but the reduction in skill and attributes is considerable. Looked at the changelogs and was like NOPE for my character Kai. No way I'm reducing my capped skills to make it easier to get AP. Remembering the grind from 1k of skill to 2k makes me shudder.

The save scum thing doesn't really affect me since I play Inferno however now that it's being stamped out I wonder if the save scum penalty for Inferno and possibly other modes will be removed if they're not already. If save scumming doesn't exist then there's even more reason to not punish us for when our game crashes.

On a side note, I remember the discussion that triggered Ano to implement these recent no save scumming mechanics. Ano started cracking down on save scumming after seeing a discussion of people talking about the best way to farm the blue spirit glove and at least one person recommended save scumming for them.

I can't look at these gloves the same way anymore. The gloves that would spark the save scum controversy. What amuses me is that the gloves, while good for that magic resist, doesn't strike me as a high priority item to get but maybe that's just me.

>>16920353
How does putting tonfas and claws in the hand slots of mutants effect their number of attacks? I know for a character with only two hands putting a tonfa or claw in will reduce their 8 attacks to 4. Probably the main reason I ditched them once I got my martial arts at a certain level despite the damage buff on the tonfa or claw.

If a mutant still gets like 8 attacks or more that's an interesting setup for sure.

>>16921059
Scumming shouldn't be considered "one way to play" as it's basically cheating in any roguelike to savescum, and it's not removed, that's what debug/cheat mode is for, so what's the problem? It's a sensible change imho.

Scumming actually takes a lot of the fun and challenge away from the game, and I think it's fine for a dev to make decisions even if we don't particularly agree with them, otherwise you can always mod and develop yourself, just don't be such an entitled pissbaby.

I'm not particularly impressed at him being an asshole though, it'd be nice if he'd accept to join with others to bring a better experience, custom is one of the best things that has happened to the game in ever.

>>16917814
>(Living Weapons) are also no longer usable in artifact fusion

what the FUCK

>>16921121
>>16921125
Wasn't the original word "something"? There's quite a change in tone there.
I did not read the original post at all, but that's what I read on the elona wiki forums.

>>16921456
Elona is barely a roguelike, that's why permadeath wasn't in it to begin with. If people want to invest hundreds of hours into their character, they can take measures to perfect their character as much as possible. It's up to them.

>otherwise you can always mod and develop yourself, just don't be such an entitled pissbaby.

What a shitty thing to say, not everyone has the ability and time to do that, how about leave shit that isn't hurting anyone alone? You play a game for several years the way you like, then some dickhead makes it impossible to play that way anymore because he personally doesn't like it, and your answer to that is "lol just make your own xD" Go fuck yourself if that's what you think.

Anyway, custom is going to have a tweak that removes Ano's retardation, so nothing changes really.

>>16921515
Who knows if there was ever an original word? Nobody seems know where on his blog he said this, not to mention whether it was meant to be taken seriously.
Quite a dogpile for an unsubstantiated rumor.

>>16920567
>40%.
It goes down 10% of the current value.. If you will insist on keeping everything at 400%, that's what you get.

>>16921515
The "something" was the wiki user censoring himself so he doesn't start a shitstorm.

>>16921541
Playing someone's mod and bitching that it does something you don't like is what's retarded mate, but yeah custom is a good example of making your own tweaks and working with it.

>>16921546
If the devs of custom said it themselves it's most likely true, they don't really have anything to gain from saying it. And from Ano's recent behavior I have no problems believing it.

Since some people like to make it sound like a rumor, here is the original post on his blog:
http://wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-39.html

Japanese:
"今まで知らなかったが、なんかplusの英語改造版ができているらしい。
知らないところで勝手に子供やクローン作られてた某ビッグボスを思い出した。
やめさせるつもりはないが、認知もしない。"

Translation:
"I only learned recently that there's an English modified version of plus. Reminds me of a certain Big Boss who makes children and clones when you're not looking. I don't intend to stop them, but I'm not going to acknowledge it either."

>>16921561
>Playing someone's mod and bitching that it does something you don't like is what's retarded mate
So no criticizing, ok.

Fuck off, cretin.

>>16921607
You're not making any relevant criticisms other than "he's retarded and I don't like this, he's on a power trip!" he's free to make changes as he likes desu, so either play vanilla or don't update, nobody is forcing you to deal with his changes.

>>16921604
>I don't intend to stop them
Implying you could in any way do so.

>>16921604
"vermin", gotta demonize things we don't like! It's a Christian imageboard after all.

>>16921604
Doesn't sound offensive to me. Shame that he won't support it but at least it doesn't sound like what was quoted earlier.

>>16921618
>I SAID NO CRITICIZING!!
I don't care, sir.

>>16921626
Who gives a shit if he used a cute MGS reference? It's the exact same meaning. The exact same level of contempt.

>>16921636
That's not what I'm saying at all, you can criticize, but throwing a fit like a child isn't really valid to me.

>>16921638
No, it's really not, you people need to stop putting words in people's mouths.

>>16921618
>so either play vanilla or don't update, nobody is forcing you to deal with his changes.

And your brain isn't processing how much of a "Fuck you" that is to people that have been playing Elona since the beginning? Now they either have to quit or stick with outdated versions or dead versions? You might need help.

>>16921642
>criticism I don't like is 'throwing a fit like a child'.
You're a child.

>>16921638
How do you draw contempt from that? Sounds like he has mixed feelings about it but he has no intention of interfering.

>>16921648
It is though, he's viewing the custom devs as bottom feeders who stole his work. Can you not read or something?

>>16921456
Here's the thing. If you feel like save-scumming is cheating and bad and blah, then don't do it. You don't HAVE to save-scum to get good at the game, it's really is just one way to play the game; sacrifice a bunch of time for more in-game time efficient results. I personally don't save-scum when I play, so I can appreciate these changes, but plenty of other people do, find it enjoyable and base their playstyle around it. Those people who played the game like that are shit out of luck unless they have the skill and time to mod the game themselves, find a mod for E+ (luckily, the English community has E+. I'm not so sure the Japanese are so lucky) or play vanilla Elona/another variant, which is almost like playing an entirely different game at this point. Remember; it's a single-player game. How a person plays this game affects 0% of other players directly. How about you let people enjoy the game as they want, and raise criticism when the dev alienates a bunch of players for how they play their game?

I can tell that your opinion seems dead set though, so I won't bother discussing/arguing with this any further. If it's your opinion that curbing save-scumming and alienating a part of the player base is healthy for the game and community, that's fine.

>>16921652
It's contempt because, with no actual method of intervening even if he wished to, it's just butthurt talking. Otherwise he'd never have even made the post in the first place.

>>16921656
Anon, I think you're drawing hate where none really exist. I think he's pretty neutral on the matter.

>>16921649
elona and elona+ are different things by different people entirely, so I don't see how what you said applies.
>>16921656
kek, what does that make him for working on vanilla elona then?
>>16921660
You can bitch in your blog as much as you want

>>16921660
Well if people were talking about Custom with him and maybe alluding to adding features of it for the Japanese players, maybe he felt inclined to say something about it. Overall it sounds like he's taking a neutral stance on it and is just playing PR so he doesn't feel obliged to add stuff from Custom, reach out to Custom, or even talk about Custom. Less work for him

>>16921604
This shows it was a rumor after all. He isn't badmouthing anybody or calling them vermin.

>>16921665
>elona and elona+ are different things by different people entirely, so I don't see how what you said applies.

Oh they are? Because I'm pretty sure when I was playing Elona back in 2008, I started in a cave, did some levelling up, went through a 45 level dungeon and killed a guy called Zeome, and did the exact same thing when I played Elona+. Must have been deja vu.

Shut up you fucking muppet.

>>16921679
Yeah you retard, elona+ is basically a mod/continuation by someone else entirely and that's what you've been playing.

>>16921676
>he doesn't feel obliged to add stuff from Custom
Except he did.

>>16921676
Perhaps. Really, I don't care because unless he gets so asspained he quits it doesn't matter what he thinks.

>>16921604
I don't know how people got the idea that is malicious, it sounds like a pretty neutral response. Let the community of people he doesn't interact with do what they want. Though I find it funny he says he won't acknowledge Custom, while taking features from it.

>>16921689
>Reminds me of a certain Big Boss who makes children and clones when you're not looking.

If you can "decode" the meaning behind this sentence, you'll see why it's malicious. I don't know why it's so hard for you people, it's pretty fucking clear.

>>16921689
Did he actually take directly from custom or is that another rumor?
adding good features is a good thing regardless, but doing something that's been done before isn't necessarily taking features from sth.

>>16921678
Guy who made the long post saying that he's a hypocrite for adding EC's ideas. I thought that the vermin quote was a recent one, and not the MGS one I remember from a while back.

Looks like I made a bit of a mistake. Sorry guys for starting this whole argument :(

>>16921699
you will be burned at the steak anon

>>16921699
Why? It had the same meaning. He just said it in a cuter, more subtle way. He still views the EC team, and probably the entire white race as vermin.

>>16921696
He added the ability to leave the Harvest Time quests well after EC did it. Allegedly, people on the wikia found that he'd also copy-pasted someone's translations for E+ without contacting them. Now I'm not sure if that's true or not, so that part should be taken with a grain of salt.

>>16921660
>Otherwise he'd never have even made the post in the first place.
Actually, he regularly makes blog posts like this responding to comments.

>>16921685
He didn't? Just because he ended up liking early exits and added it down the line doesn't mean he felt obliged to make the change. Maybe he added it because he heard about the feature but was unsure at the time how to implement it himself. Several versions later he managed to get it to work and expanded it to work with party time quests. We have no idea if he's really looking at Custom's code. As I said, he could of just said what he said because he didn't want to back himself into a corner and promise to add a certain feature.

>>16921707
>projecting this hard

>>16921717
Do you know what projecting means? Better dust off that dictionary. I'm speculating.

>>16921715
Be that as it may, he felt the need to be a prick about it.

Ano's always been a bit of a faggot, though.

>>16921714
>copy-pasted someone's translations for E+ without contacting them.

Translations of his own work?

>>16887893
Why is it a Pianist class and not a Musician or a Bard class? Why cant I just pick my starting instrument?

>>16921770
Due to how many bards are in the game and the fact that they have lutes, harps, etc, pianist was the only opening left for that kind of work. Oddly, Leold isn't killing bards fast enough to open up other kinds of music professions.

>>16921760
Which aren't his work.

>>16921604
>"Reminds me of a certain Big Boss who makes children and clones when you're not looking."
>>16921714
>He added the ability to leave the Harvest Time quests well after EC did it.

>>16921831
Well, Snake probably was a bit surprised to learn of his siblings and not too happy to have to deal with them. So you got vanilla Elona as Big Boss, Elona+ as Snek, Custom as Liquid, and the other Elona variants as Solidus and the rest of the genome soldiers. Snek just wanted to be left alone to do his own thing but people dragged him into various shitshows and made him compete to be the best soldier there is or in this case the best Elona variant.

So retro indie game devs in Japan are egotistical faggots just like indie game devs in the west? Well color me retarded, I'm surprised.

>>16921429
>reduce player INI
The changelog mentions only reducing stuff to 50, which would mean the only things that would get reduced are speed, life, and mana. Or can you really drop all your attributes right on down to 1 each?

>>16921903
Pixel seemed pretty humble.

>>16921903
You sure are retarded. Why don't you actually read the thread?

>>16921695
I'm disappointed in them for this, nobody working on Custom is trying to claim + as their own work.

I hope Yerleswood sticks his Pile Driver up your asses.

So how bout them Cute Fairies

>>16918162
>Vermin

Is that a new one? I remember one a while back where he compared custom to big boss's illegitimate kids or something like that.

>>16920148

If I recall, way back in the early days Anna sent Ano an email asking for permission, and Ano never bothered replying.

>>16921927
Wonder how much English Ano even knows. I mean for all we know he just heard about Custom from some japanese people online and the closest thing he could match it to at the time was some Elona variant. Maybe he knows a little bit more about it now and who knows what he thinks of it now.

>>16922102
Before Anna and Custom some people offered to help make better English Translations and they didn't get any response back either.

I propose a new western Elona variant: Elona WW, Elona for the White West.

>>16922168
Anna is a nigress, how can we get her to work on it but keep her from playing it at the same time?

I don't remember these threads being so hostile...

>>16921927
I did read the thread, that's how I reckoned he's an egotistical faggot

for example,
>>16922130
>>16922102

>>16922236
Someone sent him a message and he didn't get back to them?

>>16921919
From what I've seen with my tests each time you choose the option to have your INI score recalculated all your attributes, including speed, and skills get halved. Life and Mana are not touched though. You can keep halving your attributes and skills, reducing your INI in the process,until attributes reach 50. Skills seem to reach bottom at 50 too. At that point they won't go any lower by choosing the options on the NPC. Any skill or attribute that is lower than 50 is still whatever value it was.

Right now I'm testing how the Kumiromi statues work with the change. Seed given now depends on what day it is. Same change also applies to the fairy and what seed they give. If anyone already knows what day gives herb seeds please let us know.

I really can't tell why you're all so angry. Most of the changes seem pretty neat, more content, more options for growth. You can still back up saves so who cares?

>>16921604
>Big Boss who makes children and clones
Did this idiot even play the games?

>>16922498
Could be a mistranslation. It wouldn't make sense otherwise when it's supposed to be an analogy for making derivatives of something without the original source knowing.

>>16922349
Because muh savescumming babyrage
Changes do seem pretty great.

>>16922651
>Because muh savescumming babyrage
Pretty pathetic that you take every chance you can to wave your e-dick around to be honest

>LOOK AT ME EVERYONE! I DON'T SAVE SCUM!

>>16922702
Not just him. Count me in too. I'll piss on you dirty save scummers as well.

>>16922716
I'll tell you when I start caring that some faggot who thinks he's an elona tourneyfag doesn't like how I play.

Even inferno/No future mode can be cheated by backing up saves.

Can't imagine the kind of faggot that would try to brag about how they play a SINGLE PLAYER RNG HEAVY GAME.

>>16922730
Don't play inferno. Just playing advancing but I have self control unlike you dirty save scummers. Didn't care about bragging about that but it triggers you people so much about these save scumming changes.

I don't play inferno or no future either but kek.

You can stop anytime soon.

So what the hell do you save scummers even save scum for? What awesome item is it? Are you dirty scummers save scumming to prevent your own in game death to which you then complain how easy the game is and call other people retarded or a faggot? Confess your sins you dirty people.

>>16922836
Because I spent several hundred hours on my elona character, I don't want it gimped by unforeseen events? Is it really that hard.

>Are you dirty scummers save scumming to prevent your own in game death to which you then complain how easy the game is and call other people retarded or a faggot?

This never happens, you stupid dipshit. Save scumming also doesn't effect the difficulty of the game.

>>16922836

>>16922854
>Because I spent several hundred hours on my elona character, I don't want it gimped by unforeseen events? Is it really that hard.
>Save scumming also doesn't effect the difficulty of the game.

Oh the ironing. kek. Certainly it's not adding to the difficulty of the game anon if you just accept your death or unfavorable outcome and work through whatever temporary penalty is bestowed to you.

>>16922873
That would be actually playing the game anon and is not allowed under any circumstances!

Custom will soon revert the shit parts of Ano's update so I'll be free to save scum all I want soon, and you chucklefucks can continue with your small dick complex over Elona.

>>16922939
I don't have a horse in this race, but has bloodyshade or anna said they will include an option in custom?

If so that's neat, but if not what is everyone's plan? Just not update?

>>16922972
I'll update and complain non-stop about it.

Personally, I do agree that savescumming do harm with the game experience at early game.

However, after certain point in game when most encounter is easy and everything started to became repetitive (when I was between the power level of Act 3 and Lost Irva's God), you start to explore different mechanics which the F2 load feature is actually useful to cut off the grind.

>>16922972
Bloodyshade

So, to start off, I'll say I'm working on porting E+CU to 1.67.
However at this moment I'm still measuring the amount of work it will take, and I plan on releasing a straight up port first, before I actually document what will be needed to "revert" (or better yet add a new tweak to disable) the anti-scumming changes (which by the looks of it in the changelog, seem to be plenty).


That's what Bloodyshade said on the wiki. So it's probably going to take a bit.

>>16922939
Go ahead and turn on easy mode. The funny thing is even overdose players are probably more hardcore now than you dirty save scummers. No offense to you overdose players. Sometimes you just don't have the time to put in hours on hours but at least you guys are actually playing the game compared to these guys that freakout and reset the game because that the monster didn't drop 2000 gold or whatever crap they're save scumming to. Glad something will be done to stop save scummers from crying at least.

>>16923008
>WAAH I FEEL INSECURE CAUSE THEIR CHARACTERS ARE BETTER THAN MINE! MOMMY TELL THEM TO PLAY FAIR!

ok kid

>>16923015
lol this coming from the guy who is insecure enough to reset a game because someone is scared about muh temporary penalties.

>>16923032
>SNIVEL HIC MOMMY STOP THEM FROM ESCAPING MUH TEMPORARY PENALTIES IT HURTS MY BUTT SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT

>>16923039
>WAAH I LOST 1 STR 1 WIL HOW WILL I EVER RECOVER

>>16923008
>Implying I don't savescum in Overdose.

At least my character could beat your character in a 1v1 bitch boy :^)

Wait save scumming is being removed? Maybe this game won't be as much of a joke then if brought up in rlg

>>16923065
I'd rather discuss Elona at gamefaqs than at that rancid shithole known as /vg/

>>16923072
>implying you shitheads are any better

>>16922836
I try not to save scum but the flesh is weak father. I tried making my bed lighter through being a scummer despite knowing that had I been patient I would have eventually gotten the scrolls needed to make it lighter. I know I'm guilty of sloth but I pray to have the resolve to not join the degenerates that save scum with no shame. Do you think I can be forgiven father?

>Corpses that have a chance of granting elemental resistances when eaten now give half the resistance but 100% of the time. The message log will display the increase in resistance only for [every second corpse] eaten.
yeeees

>Slightly reduced the effect of +enhance value on the price of food and equipment.
JUST

>bronze coins
unnecessary bullshit, just use gold for cart upgrades

I wish I could savescum even more. Any decent Cheat Engine tables out there?

>>16923123
Look up Elosnack.

>>16923100
I CAST THEE OUT

>>16923100
My boy. The RNG goddess forgives all that seek to not avoid her loving and sometimes hurtful embrace that seek to teach. As long as you earnestly try to avoid save scumming you will be forgiven. Only being prideful of save scumming is the unpardonable sin. Now run along and get your father some more crim ale. There's more unwashed people that I need to hear depressing stories of.

>>16922992
Honestly I've been the opposite. I save scummed the first couple of hours in my game to get an idea of what everything was/did. Try something, die painfully, learn that is a bad idea, reload.

Then once I actually figured out how to play the game I've pretty much ignored save scumming.

>>16922836
Father. I have a mighty sin that has been weighing down on me. I sort of save scum mend at least 50 times in trying to get some karma related arty off of some young girl. I sort of kept killing her and I sort of had my way with whatever was left of the corpse after eating a bit of it. Can I be forgiven?

>>16923226
I used to savescum plenty in advancing for really dumb shit, then I decided to try out natural or whatever (it's been a while), it gave me a reason to at least TRY to not savescum.
Felt a lot better not having to reload each time I did something dumb or didn't want to deal with RNG, had a lot more fun, I think you faggots should at least try it if you haven't.

>>16923240
So let me get this straight. Not only did you kill, eat, and defile some little girl for some artifact but for some reason you did it 50 times? Holy fucking shit. This is almost right up there with the unpardonable sin you filthy save scumming degenerate. Come back tomorrow. I'll need a whole fucking army of exorcists and a pool full of holy water to purify your save scumming degeneracy and to get rid of any demons that caused you to kill some little girl.

>>16923144
Dude, the goddess of RNG is totally crazy.

>>16923253
>>16923226
Well, probably I didn't even knew about the existence of F2 when I first played Elona+, and I kinda only knew about it after Act 2 which i already setup my herb farm and don't worry about dying anymore,

>>16922836
I utilized the soiled power of save scum to kill the gods. Can I be forgiven father?

Did people forget there was no F1 saving, much less F2 loading in vanilla Elona? Or have most people complaining only ever played Plus? It was Ano himself that added quickloading as one of the first changes to the game and kept it in for almost 5 years. If you need it that badly then turn wizard mode on and use Elosnack to fix your alias.

>>16923347
You're forgiven because using save scumming to do it doesn't count. Now run along. I need to talk to the other adventurers that are serious about overcoming difficulties.

>>16923449
Wait why does he get a free pass?

>>16923503
He gets a free pass because the gods including the RNG goddess get another day to live which they're thankful for. Even the RNG goddess which decrys savescumming doesn't want to die anon.Using save scumming to kill the gods doesn't really count in killing them because it's an act. It's like the hero was part of some movie with stunt doubles and multiple retakes to get it right.

>>16923523
Shut up, this repentance bit is getting dry.

>>16923054
Well if anyone plays overdose now they won't have access to F2.

>>16923542
I'll get to you in a bit save scummer. Wait your turn and try to clean yourself up.

>>16917906
Why did I never think to mix eroge and roguelike? That's simply genius! Thanks anon, you can expect to see the best eroge masterpiece ever made on DLsite in 10 years.

>67 unique posters
Consider ignoring the subhumans dropping by specifically to shitpost.

>>16923645
Consider shutting the fuck up. Things were finally quieting down. Retard.

>>16923656
Just because you can't see people laughing at save scummers doesn't mean it's not happening. q=) oh my gosh look he has a backwards hat! Bet some of you schmucks get triggered by that.

I primarily used savecumming for herbs (you know when you harvest a herb and it doesn't regrow). This update makes me want to try going through the game legit, my question is how do you gather or farm herb/herb seeds? (not really new, but not really an expert player either)

Is the Fighters Guild as pointless as it seems? Now that I have their skills, I'm not seeing any point in staying a member.

>>16923936
Harvest Time, Kumiromi statues and cute fairy.

>>16923959
Lower cost for identifying items, using the blacksmith, and eventually unique sword at guild rank 1.

>>16923959
Fighters Guild has the only gril guild leader.

>>16923970
>unique sword at guild rank 1
Didn't know about that one, but how long is something like that going to take?

>>16923988
Not very if you scum to get common monsters for their quests. Quite some time otherwise without luck.

>>16923970
>Harvest Time
So they do drop from there huh? Or maybe I just didn't notice. Ah well, I'm looking at my current save saying farewell to all my pets who tirelessly fought with me as we start anew.

>>16923999
Don't forget to make a gene with that special someone before the world ends.

>>16923985
MEMBERSHIP SIGNED

Shit's getting too calm.

As a new player, I'd never guess people could get this upset about Vietnamesse Daggerfall clone. Also, are dungeons worth doing at all? Half the time I can't even find boss on the last level and get nothing for the effort.

>>16924027
I pretty much left the mage guild after learning this fact, killing their guild leaders everytime I need the spellbook service.

Does karma affect wish chance?

>>16924404
If you die on the last floor of a dungeon and return to it, the boss disappears and you can't beat the dungeon. Otherwise, dungeon bosses look just like regular mooks but have <> around their names (i.e. <snail> or <<rook>>).

>>16924822
yeah, I know about that. What I mean is, sometimes I reach last floor, don't die, but can't find boss regardless. Is that supposed to happen? (today is the first time I didn't have any duds)

>>16924846
Sometimes if the boss is a normally neutral npc they will just stand there doing nothing until attacked. That combined with the habit of Dungeons generating with areas that aren't accessible without digging or teleporting might be your problem.

>>16924856
I guess that may be it. Time to use magic map more sparingly, I guess.

>>16924868
I never use magic map, all it does is prevent me from knowing what part of the floor I haven't explored yet.

>safe dungeon lvl 4
>dragon boss that oneshots me with his lightning
I can't get resistance gear because of this shit

>>16924648
No, it's static. The holy well in Noyel has a higher chance of positive effects including wishes.

>>16917906
Delayed and offtopic, but did that game ever get an actual translation?

>>16909691
The earliest "cool" mount you can get is <Kaneda bike> if you collect 3 capsule drags that can drop from rogue enemies and give them to it in Noyel in December. It's level 22.

Anyone got the skinny on the changes (?) to artifact fusion and living weapons? Living weapons get good, then kill you? Have attribute caps on godly items been raised to make non living weapons competitive with what fusion+living were prior to 1.67 or is this just a sadistic nerf?

>>16925427
the first floor is level 4, it goes up by one each floor plus he was a boss so that dragon might have been effectively 15

there's always harvest time, return escort, I want it, delivery and investing in blacksmiths to get something usable

>>16920567
Back in my time you were lucky if your potential was above Bad. Kids these days start whining as soon as it drops below Superb. They have it easy and don't know it.

>>16920567
This is a prelude to
>removed void pass
>removed void

>>16925440
Wasn't there some change where positive karma increases well wish chance?

>>16926061
What does that even have to do with what he said?

>>16926075
updates making the game more grindy until nobody wants to play pussy game content

>>16926256
Post game, fucking Korean phones

>>16926256
Except >>16920529 conveniently forgot to mention the part where potential increases more than doubled.

>The potential gained from trainers went from a flat 20% to a flat 50%

Another change is that high-level characters now also get a bonus to all exp gained.

>The idea here is (...) to alleviate the stagnation in growth in late-game.

Not to mention all the massive buffs he gave that make the game much faster and less grindier. Do you even read changelogs, or do you just parrot other people's misinformed overreactions?

>>16926303
Yeah people are retarded, there's no issues whatsoever with those changes, pretty good in fact.

Finished testing the changes to seed generation from Kumiromi statues and the cute fairy. Don't worry, no fairies were hurt during my experiments as the Kai household is all about sustainable farming and responsible pet ownership.

1.67 has removed RNG from seed generation and certain seeds are produced on specific days. For my tests I was trying to see what days generate herb seeds. There are 30 days in a month in Elona.

For Kumiromi statues herb generation days are days 3, 6, 9, 13, 16, 19, 23, 26, 29, and 30. As you can see the days of herb seed generation isn't exactly in 5 day intervals(statue cooldown) but as long as you're paying attention to the day in game you should be fine. Happy that now instead of being at the mercy of RNG in generating herb seeds, I know that all 20 of my statues will generate herb seeds on certain days without fail in 1.67.

The cute fairy produces seeds when they're hungry and eat a very filling meal that makes them bloated. So for my experiments I had her consume blessed stomafillas when she was hungry as that would guarantee bloated and I wanted to raise her attributes specifically speed so she would eat more in a given time frame.

The days in which the cute fairy produces seeds are different than Kumiromi statues and are less. Days 3, 9, 13, 19, 23, and 29 produce herb seeds for fairies. Even though the eligible days are less, the fact that you are guaranteed to pull more than one herb seed a day from a fairy now that RNG from it has been eliminated is significant. For instance, in one in game day I was able to pull 53 herb seeds from my cute fairy.

Due to these changes the meta for gaining herb seeds is most likely now in favor of generating herb seeds from the fairy and starting players can skip statues completely. This most likely frees up little sister turn ins for other purchases. My picks would then be to get Kumiromi gemstones or to focus on hero cheese and magic fruit.

Overall I think the changes have made getting herb seeds easier since you now only need to aim on getting the fairy and building him or her up. If I started my character today I would probably have shaved at least 200 hours off of my game time in getting to the same power level my character is today. No need to rush South Tyris for getting the original copy of the Kumiromi statue and you don't necessarily need to grind as hard for little sister turn ins.

Just killed Isizzle, and now I'm thinking: how hard would it be to do without magic? I'm playing wizard, is game generally harder if you use heavy armor? Do rods help?

>>16927069
It can be harder if you abstain from all magic. Without magic you're going to have to find some other way to heal yourself. Potions for instance. Heavy armor generally gives you more PV which can help reduce the damage you take so that isn't going to make your game harder. Rods can be useful for ranged attacks and for other misc stuff.

>>16927038

Thanks for the research.

>>16927038
Wow, that's big. Considering the excessive numbers of stomafilia you harvest compared to other herbs, it should be *extremely* easy to run a lot of herb farms very early in the game, even before you hit the 41 or so gardening skill required to maximize herb growth.

>>16927038
Thanks for the writeup.
Sounds like herbing has gotten a lot easier since I last played. I never could manage farms as well as you. I guess this is a boon for when I come back.

Exams are over. I can't ignore the itch much longer.

>>16927444
>>16927465
>>16927666
Np and thanks. Currently I'm theorizing on how to further improve the herb seed generation from cute fairies. Currently what works for me is getting a stack of stoma and blessing it. Wait until herb seed day and have your fairy go to town on the stoma stack. Each time she goes to eat she'll generate an herb seed.

You can speed up how fast she goes through the stack by mounting a slow pet, such as a snail, to reduce your speed. The more speed your fairy has compared to your speed the faster she'll consume the stack when you do shift R. Naturally if said fairy gets built up to 2000 speed and you cut your speed to like 30 by mounting a snail the fairy will generate lots of herb seeds.

53 or more seeds in one day is good but we might be able to do better. What if we add another fairy to the party? I don't know if it still works but in the past I was able to get a second defender by doing the jure god rewards thing a second time. Could we just do the Kumiromi god reward line multiple times for more fairies? Or perhaps is it possible to make multiple copies through a ranch?

At any rate, 500 stack stoma -> Army of hungry fairies -> a pile of happy fairies napping after quite a feast -> 500 herb seeds in one in game day?

Create more farms to harvest an even bigger stoma stack. Repeat the process and see it snowball out of control maybe?

>>16927821

I have two fairies from a ranch.

>>16927821
I know you can have multiple of the same god pet from a ranch, not sure about reward but I would assume. That said I seem to remember something about not being able to bring them out or something along those lines.

What about Astral Light Pen? I seem to remember something about being able to have your pets eat from their inventory? I think that was added since I last played. Seems plausible to copy 5-10 fairies, give them full speed boosting gear then just let them chill at your house with stacks of stoma. Maybe do it on another floor to avoid the pooped out seeds erasing furniture. Would they still eat it when you were in a dungeon?

>>16927838
Nice. Did the fairies keep the ability to make seeds and were you able to bring both of them out?

>>16927850
Can't seem to astral light pen my fairy. I meet all the requirements, level, soul mate, magical ink, etc, but it gives me a message that I can't use the pen on her. The cute fairy seems to not care where she has a meal. Fed her in a city, fed her in a dungeon with monsters, fed her in my home, and also fed her in my dungeon property where I store stuff. Can't test the giving food to the pet and having them eat from their inventory. I believe that was an Elona Custom thing.

I wonder if burly Amurdad drops seeds when he eats.

>>16927954
Try putting it in the dojo or abandoned ranch then using the pen? Seems like it might help.

>>16927962
Thought the same thing. Didn't work when I did that.

>>16927964
Well that's a shame.
I guess test if Amurdad drops seeds, maybe try Kumi too. If not I guess the ranch is your best bet, but you'll lose a lot of seeds while it's in there since it'll take forever to produce a second one.

Can shades copy god pets? That would be a weird really hard to accomplish gamble but it might be an option.

>>16927964
>>16927969
Actually, what causes the seed drop? Is it a bitflag? Just a specific thing to the fairy? I want to test some things out when I get the chance.

>>16927976
No idea. It seems unique to the cute fairy but I don't know if it's from a bitflag or something else. I know that there are also fairy monsters, not to be confused with the cute fairy it seems, in the game but I don't know if they drop seeds. I don't think they would but I never owned one of those fairies.

>>16927985
I'm thinking maybe using Necroremodel with a card of the fairy would do it? I highly doubt it though. Just thinking of any way to get another copy of a pet.

>>16927821
Though the moment I have my fairy at 2000 speed i probably don't really care about maintaining my herb farm anymore.

>>16928040
True. Although for me I'm still maintaining my farms because of my own character attributes and my other pets. They're voracious eaters.

>>16890282
This is the exact setup I wanted to do before, link when

>>16930198
Link to what, sprites?
Everything else was done in Elosnack.
I haven't figured out a way to have maid fairies roaming around the house yet unfortunately.

Hey anons I remember it being tested before and it's not in the wiki so I thought I'd ask,
Does Martial Arts with anything all equipped in the hands not give the extra attack procs?
Was that fixed?

>>16930385
Yeah, the sprites though I never did figure out how to replace adventurers myself

>>16921429
I'd assume the 4 penalty cap still applies, unless it gets raised based on the number of hands to attack with, 10 or even 20 (assuming 2 per hand) extra attacks would be amazing if it worked like that.

I actually was running a character like this (snail), but I opted for arm slots instead, since plate gloves still give +11 attack each.

If I'd known about the new +15 enchant limit I would have gone for arms though. Even with only getting 4 extra attacks, the base damage should be roughly double the maxed average (using the experience calculator for all 2000) 2d255+475 +410 -> 503 + 410 -> 913. Except you're more likely to get all 4 extra attacks than 8.

>>16930920
Whoops 1,268 not 913.

>>16930782
TL;DR ahead:
With Elosnack it's a combination of using the tools for cdata.s1 and cdatan.s1.
Use cdatan.s1 to identify which character number applies to which specific pet/adventurer.
You can also use data like the current adventurer levels to help you figure out which is which.
cdata.s1 uses the numbers pointed out in cdatan.s1 to keep track of you (being 0) and pets (being 1-15), and adventurers (16-?)
It's not a miracle worker, but you can replace sprites/portraits, change names/titles, assign AI (things like what spells they use, something that's not really necessary anymore for pets thanks to Custom), and other aesthetics.
I assume you can also change their equipment if you know the values (I just opted to trade them weapons closest to what they traditionally use in game, not like I don't have a surplus of things to sell anyways.) 2hus have no shortage of titles, so you can easily find something that fits for that.

One problem though: I've found adventurers CANNOT keep up with your grinding left to their own devices, I duel gloved a random adventurer as a test once, they hospitalized, and never came back. Then a much higher leveled adventurer replaced them permanently (I assume this is because I'm stronger than pretty much every other adventurer in the list.)
There's a high level sitting in the middle of the fame listing now and before that the highest other NPC was like 70ish.
That said if you want them closer to your level you may want to get rid of some of the current candidates/then afterwards do the ground work of renaming and such with Elosnack.

There's also some odd quirks with what adventurers will willingly equip. Lately I've found certain ones won't equip any melee weapons even if you trade them some kind of god sword or something. Still trying to figure out how that works but it's probably class based, missing equipment slots, or some third thing I've not considered.

As for the sprites, these are what I've got. Tupai's just a recolored and slightly edited Chupacabra as Touhou/Elonas interpretations of those are apparently the same design-wise aesthetically. The rest are edited from other sprite work I could find that fit the best and edited to fit 48x48 then re-edited again to not look awful.
The Hobgoblins and Tupai don't have official colors, so that's the sort of thing you generally have to either guess or just go with the fan interpretation.
(I was going to make more kinds of fairy maid sprites, but the issue with not being able to apply what I already had in the first place came up)
You might be able to use that mansion in the second continent for the fairy maids purposes by just replacing the mansion maids sprites, but that doesn't really accomplish everything I wanted to do.

Got around to reading my now 11 spell books of wish in storage and what's 2 wishes for astral light pens to test whether or not Amurdad or Norne act like the cute fairy. Unfortunately, neither drops seeds when they go to eat my blessed stoma.

Placed my cute fairy on a ranch I just recently bought and fast forwarded time by going to my shelter, sandbagging a summoned monster, and hitting it with my god breaker axe to cause ragnarok. Not looking good there in making more fairies in 1.67 at least. My cute fairy seems to be making greater pumpkins than more of herself. The god reward duplicate pet I now question because I can't seem to find my second defender that I managed to get in the past. I knew I left my defenders on my discarded ranch but now there's only one there.

Might just be limited to one cute fairy. Well, that's not bad though. Still get plenty of herb seeds from her.

On a side note, the innkeepers are making some stellar food in 1.67. The special that costs one bronze coin gives 1500 turn growth boosts to a wide array of attributes. For one bronze coin that's pretty good. Perfect to have before dumping bonus points, attending the magic school, or perhaps before a grind session.

>>16930920
Pretty cool. Definitely sounds like additional damage from gear would make the mutant powerful.

>>16930394

Don't know what you mean by fix as it has worked a certain way for quite awhile just in the past it wasn't really understood how it worked. With that said I'll explain how additional attacks work with martial arts.

Only way to get more attacks with martial arts is through gear that says it increases the chance of additional attack chance. You would need to stack such gear.

Assuming a default two hand slots character, such a martial artist that stacked additional attack chance would be capable of 8 attacks in one action/turn. This is only true though if the martial artist keeps their hand slots empty. If you equip a tonfa or claw in either slot or in both slots then the max attacks you can do in one action/turn is 4 assuming again you stacked additional attack chance gear.

Without stacking additional attack chance then the martial artist only gets one attack no matter what he or she does.

I have a martial arts guide in the pastebin but it's a bit outdated due to recent feat changes. I have an updated pastebin here if you have anymore questions on martial arts.

https://pastebin.com/z3QZ93zV

>>16931325
One thing you make take into account, at least from what I can tell, god pets, even ones in dojo, or discarded ranch count toward the god pet limit, so if you have more than 8 god pets currently, try deleting one of them, and trying again.
I had like 7 cute faries because I put them on ranches before finishing act 1 and 2, but I got rid of them cause I didn't get any use of them, and I wanted other god pets instead.

>>16931346
I will try this and report. Thanks. Hmm, maybe I'll let go of the black cat and see if I can replace him with another fairy.

>>16931325
>https://pastebin.com/z3QZ93zV
Good stuff, thanks

Does anybody have that PCC that added the lower body of a snake? I searched the entire uploader and I couldn't find it!

Alright, after getting some vegetable seeds from my fairy Holly and statues, planting them, and fast forwarding time by resting in a shelter during etherwind storms caused by Ragnaroks, I managed to harvest enough vegetables to get another fairy from Kumiromi.

Seems you can have both out at the same time and they both can eat from the stack and produce seeds. So it's possible to gain a huge amount of herb seeds in one day.

>>16931612
Not sure if it's the one you're looking for but I think I saw one in one of the Chinese packs in the mod pastebin. Let me see if I can fetch it.

>>16931612
Alright got it. If you use it just make sure you change it to a .bmp file. Had to change it to .png since you can't post with a .bmp file on 4chan.

>Reduced the multiplier on sales at player shops specialized in equipment from 2 times to 1.5 times.
>Added a new item. Rerolling [duplicates of] unique artifact equipment will turn them into this item instead of becoming a random artifact.
>Slightly reduced the effect of +enhance value on the price of food and equipment.


>Living weapons...
>The number of choices of equipment attributes displayed remains 8, but each of them will now increase [enhance] level by +4 instead of +2.
what does this mean?
>They are also no longer usable in artifact fusion
effectively lowers maximum attainable stats/resistances?

>>16932244
You can't use artifact fusion to buff up a living weapon but any bonuses from leveling it up are doubled I think?

>>16932644
that's how I read it but I'm not familiar with living weapons so I don't know what those words mean

Can someone explain this rare treasure flag? And what was changed about it in this update. Is it the reason I am no longer getting wishes from wells?