/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>16789695
Any ideas why? Are there some recents activity that suggest that the nip government are going to do something drastic?

Personally, I love the diagonal red line across the chest. But I think replacing the deep blue with black would look absolutely sick and worthy of serving under 天皇陛下

>>16789695
i see going to worse uniforms isn't limited to the us military

>>16789704
Pretty sure the JSDF was deployed to either South Sudan or another african country as peacekeeping forces.

>>16789704

What's the point of a summer and winter uniform when they both look equally as layered and hot?

>>16789704
Well, the JSDF have been trying to uncuck themselves for a long time now.

>>16789711
I understand what you mean, but colour makes a big difference in how your clothes absorb heat. Try going out in the sun with white clothing or black clothing, you'll feel the difference.

The new uniforms look a lot worse in my opinion, even if they are mare distinctive. I've never been a fan of that sleek minimal design, and it looks especially out of place in the military.

>>16789722
This isn't minimalist to you? It's 1 plain colour with a coloured stripe through it. That's it.

>>16789722
Oh sorry, I've misread your post. I thought you LIKED minimal design.

>>16789708
Here's someone else's shoop that makes the winter one look a lot better imo

Oh man, look at that collar. It'd fit right in on Yamamoto.

I can't help but think that these are an intentional reversion from the current US-style uniforms to one that's much more like their old Imperial gear, albeit with a bit of a sci-fi twist. I'm almost surprised the guys on the right aren't carrying Arisakas instead of Garands.

Seems to me like these uniforms are a statement that they're taking their balls back.

>>16789739
Oh fuck, speaking of Imperial uniforms, it's really obvious in black isn't it? That's like straight up Taisho era shit.

Russo-Japanese war round 2, anybody?

Japs look gay as fuck

>>16789749
I agree, everytime I watch the parade on 自衛隊記念日 I'm saddened with how americanised the Japanese army has become. So likewise, whenever I see changes like this I get really excited.

>>16789695
Eh, the 3 on the left are the only good ones, the other 2 have too much blue.

>>16789788
I actually like US-style uniforms, but yeah, seeing the Japanese go with something more unique is cool. (Although I guess these would just be Prussian-style or something.)

Is there any word about other uniforms? I'll be interested to see if the service uniforms (I don't know the Japanese name but like US Class A and B) get changes as well.

>>16789704
There's a fair amount of saber rattling going on, especially in respects to North Korea, who's been pushing the envelope by launching rockets and missiles that land in Japanese waters.
America's been pushing them to rearm for a long time now as well, because the Japanese have proven themselves to be really good at killing Chinese, and we want to be able to shake that stick at China to stop them from getting too uppity.

>>16789695
I don's like the stripe going all the way down to the groin

I do think it's an overall improvement though

>>16789739
Reminds me of the Carabinieri

Whats with that thin red stripe on the back?

What purpose does that serve? Other than increase price of the thing.

>>16790163
And can someone explain the meaning of the whole red stripe thing? And why are the buttons off-center and slanted?

>>16790163
It's probably just for looks.

It might actually be there to make the uniform recognizable from behind, though. That could be an issue since the JSDF does a lot of joint events with US forces who also wear blue uniforms.

>>16790163
>>16790178
It's just aesthetics dude. This isn't a field uniform

>>16790178
It's red for the same reason the Japanese flag has a big red circle in the middle of it, and so the white summer uniform would have both national colors.

The buttons and angle are probably a callback to pre-WWII uniforms, as is the high collar with insignia. They can't just bring the old uniform back because it would piss pretty much the whole world off (and they lost WWII wearing it anyway), but they can reference distinctive elements.

>>16789749
>Russo-Japanese war round 2, anybody?
Got me thinking, should a war break out, how many of /jp/sies would cooperate with Japan over supporting their own countrymen? Feels like an uncomfortable topic...

>>16790217
Looks like they are trying to channel their pre-20th century white summer and blue winter uniforms (they switched to khaki during the Russo-Japanese War).

These uniforms in OP however look like they were designed by a homosexual science fiction futurist who watched too much Space Battleship Yamato and Iron Chef, and are not practical like actual field uniforms were

>>16790276
They accurately reflect current Japan's chief cultural importance as the land of anime, at least.

How long before the crack legal team at Games Workshop sues?

>>16790276
It's a whole mishmash of stuff, they're definitely channeling those hat stripes though.

I know there were white IJN officer service uniforms in WWII but I can't find any decent pics of them. >>16789706 immediately made me think of that one though.

I also agree that they're pretty damn silly looking. They probably looked awesome in concept sketches but in real life they just look like cosplay or maybe the uniforms that doormen at really fancy hotels wear.

>>16789706

dude looks straight outta gundam

>>16789695
White one is fucking supreme holy shit

>>16789739
Black looks sick as hell.

>>16790276
Those are just new ceremonial uniform, their field uniform will stay the same as before.

>>16790565

sick as in vomit, yes

The pallet looks like something from Gundam.

>>16789695
OH WOW That shit looks too imperial. What the fuck is Abe doing?

>>16790761
t. Zhang Wei Wáng

>>16789695
They look terribly silly, and actually more like hotel doorman uniforms

>>16790024
Those boots kill it for me.
To loose.

>>16790761
Calm you tits Seo, it's the only uniform they are probably going to wear anytime soon.

>>16790304
This kind?

>>16790249
Defend Japan!

>>16791316
Not about defence. Japan invades your home soil! Let's say Australia! Do you side with Japan?

>>16791389
I side with Japan!

Pole here.
As much as I love Japan and no matter how passionate I am about Japanology, Poland comes first.

Same goes for citizenship. No matter how long I'd stay in Japan, even if I were to live there till my death, no matter who I'm married to, I'd never reject my Polish citizenship for a Japanese one.
Because I'll never be Japanese, even if I wanted to.
Poland is my mother, and I'll forever be a Pole.
As my fathers were before me and my children will be.
So help me God

>>16789695
They look like anime uniforms

Not exactly a bad thing, mind you. I actually support Japan having anime military uniforms in some sort of semi-ironic fashion, to be quite honest.

>>16790698
Red white and blue? Definitely Gundam.

>>16789695
Very nice, way better than that boring american style uniform

>>16789695
These are very awesome. I wish the US didn't have such retarded looking dress uniforms.

>>16789704
Because Abe and his friends are good friends with fascists and he's helping them push their agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi

>>16789704
>>16790761
Shinzo Abe is good friends with fascists that want to go back to Imperial Japan and helps them push their agenda. There's a whole controversy going on about it right now and Abe's support has dropped to the lowest point so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi

>>16791921
I vaguely remember encountering something recently about the promotion of nationalism in Japan such as having primary school children sing the national anthem every morning. There were other things which I can't remember though I do recall it being faced with backlash.

>>16792027
The backlash about Moritomo wasn't as much about nationalism as it was about corruption. Nonetheless most people seemed creeped out by it. It was all over the news dude.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/26/national/politics-diplomacy/abe-slips-polls-skeptical-voters-urge-first-lady-testify-survey/
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/12/national/politics-diplomacy/abe-cabinets-support-rate-dips-six-points-55-7-amid-ongoing-moritomo-school-scandal-poll/#.WMVXb2-LTcs
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/25/national/politics-diplomacy/matsui-takes-jab-abes-explanations-school-land-scandal-closes/
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Frustrated-Abe-hits-back-at-Moritomo-chief-s-claims
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/School-scandal-brings-political-risk-to-Japan
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Is-Abe-in-trouble-A-Q-A-on-the-nationalist-school-scandal
http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20170330/p2a/00m/0na/024000c

>>16792063
>fake news

>>16792063
>japan times
>mainichi

Post some asahi while you're at it

>>16792114
I posted nikkei specifically so you don't whine about it. You can also call me a Korean undercover agent while you're at it, too.

>>16792088
The medium doesn't matter, Abe testified in congress for a whole day and it even was livestreamed, how the hell did you miss that? Don't talk about Japan if you don't even know what the fuck is going on there.

>>16789695
Those are some FUKKEN anime red stripes and kamen rider buckles on the right 3. I love it. The hats I'm less enthused by.

>>16789710
I think they are protecting some medical convoys going to the Middle East and are doing a turn as part of the UN force in the Sinai as well.

>>16791921
Throwing around the word 'fascist' is a good way to get your opinion discarded. There are so few literal, honest to God, fascists around today as to be totally negligible, but despite this, the word has a meaning and it's not 'those whom I dislike'.

It may have been allied with those powers and shared some surface level values, but Imperial Japan was never a fascist state, its culture sprang from different sources and served a different purpose.

>>16789695
Pretty sweet

>>16792063
>most people
Koreans aren't "people".

>>16793317
They are closer to the Japanese people in culture, attitude, history, appearance, native language, and appearance, than you will ever be.

>>16790163
The red stripe is problem the only part of the design I don't like at all. It looks like Raiden is about to zandatsu them.

The old ones are very obviously stolen from western standards. The new ones are notably more oriental. The diagonal line in particular is probably inspired by traditional Japanese clothing.

So what do the Elevens themselves think of this change?

>>16791429
You will be Russian by the end of 2030. Just as god intended.

>>16793825
Funny, cause yesterday was the anniversary of the poles raping moscow in 1611

>>16789695

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXjIy0XQGi4

>>16793676
Most on Twitter seem to be opposed to it as it looks like a tacky cosplay. They don't want for Japanese Self-Defense Force to be seen as a joke, which it surely is going to be in those uniforms.

>>16793906
Cause only the butthurt cucks bother replying.

>Waaaah we wanna go back to our bland copy of american uniform
>Waaaah muh tax money

JSDF Cute Girls Division

>>16793965
how could anyone even consider fighting them?

>>16793965
don't post my kids here.

>>16793927
In my view the old uniform, though un-Japanese, is technically better as at least it doesn't look like a goddamn cosplay. Mostly because of the gratuitous stripes. If this is the only way they're going to get something Imperial-like pushed through however, then I lend them my full emotional support.

>>16789695
These designs are sharp as fuck. If I have one complaint, it's that the blue is too bright and another color would probably work better. The while one looks great, as does >>16789739. Also,
>that rising sun callback on the belt buckle
I love it.

>>16794696
>that rising sun callback on the belt buckle
Is it really a callback if the Rising Sun flag is still their naval ensign?

>>16794732
Jap flag is so shit compared navy flag

>>16791429
Jajka is my waifu

>>16793927
>everyone I don't like is a cuck
>most people agree with me actually, we're the "silent majority!"
I knew this thread would devolve into crossboarder fuckery but not this quick. Also because you criticize something new doesn't mean you want to back to the old.

一着３００,０００円（２,８００ＵＳ＄）

>>16803873
Is that the cost for the soldier to buy these new uniforms?

Even Marine Corps dress blues only coast about 450$ without medals

>>16803898
wabi sabi の spiritがあれば
450$で2,800$のninja-suitを手に入れるなど
赤子のhandをsqueezeするようなものだ

They do look sharp for sure, if not slightly too "anime" themed. Reminds me of Mobile Suit Gundam uniforms, although its probably just that angled breast and stand-up collar. The way the trim on the front of the coat comes down to the center of the jacket is very flashy and nice looking.

The epaulets look kind of funny as well, they would look better if they were smaller. Seems like they have rank on their sleeves as well, so epaulets aren't necessary.

>>16789695
Are the red stripe uniforms only for the marching bands and not the actual dress uniforms? If that's the case I don't see why there's any argument against it.

>>16804588
As the OP says, they're not only marching bands. They're the new general ceremonial uniform.
Like here:
>>16789706

>>16789695
Nice reminds me of that boshin war aesthetic

>>16789695
MACROSSU when?

>>16790276
These uniforms were also inspired by the Americans who sold weapons to Japanese to stop the Samurai rebellion in the late 1800s.

So the American influence goes much further than you think.

>>16812050
Forgot image.

>>16812050
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsuma_Rebellion

>>16792123
>>16792114
>>16792088

Reminder

Here's the only legitimate Japanese news source(s)

Nikkei
Sankei
Yomiuri

>>16789720
>no Katanah for the honor guard
>generic western sabre

Japan, please. Even China is returning to the Jian again.

These honestly look pretty frigging great. The color schemes to them are great, and they have a sense of familiarity to them. They are also have a nice crispness to them. Overall they look wonderful.

>>16789695
>>16789706
>>16789720
>>16789728
>>16789739
>marching with the rifle that conquered them
Goddamn this feel good

>>16820761
What happens here?

>>16820268
Kinda badass. But South Korea, China and even the US would REEEE hard if the Japanese return to the Gunto.

>>16789706
This would be perfect if not for the goofy sleeve chevrons, the rear stripe, and the breast zagging across instead of straight down. Way to fuck up perfection Japan.

>>16789720
Discount USMC; tone down the blue a notch - this isn't technicolor.

>>16789728
Same.

>>16789739
We Manticore nao

>>16820761
The Chinese guy is giving me strong operator vibes from a 90's anime. I keep expecting him to storm Central Dogma or gun down some cyborgs.

>>16820765
>>16820769

Joint Exercise i think.

>>16820769
>>>16789739
>We Manticore nao
Muh Honorverse nigga

>>16794004
The body count would be staggering.

>>16789695
They look like fucking marching band uniforms, all they need are shakos.

>>16789695
Looks nice.

>>16789739
We dress blues now

>>16789695
This is great, looks just like my chinese cartoons

>>16820744
baka gaijin plz go

>>16790761
>too Imperial
Could you fuck off please Lo Chang?

>>16789739
noice

That sounds awesome, dude!

>>16793335

Kikes may be white they still deserve the gas chamber more than any nigger will ever do.

>>16833802
Well said.

>>16792114
The record of other news is worse than Asahi's though. You don't decide overnight without precedent to become willingly involved in Fukushima coverups.

I kind of liked the green. It seems like no country has uniforms with a good fit though.

>>16837739
what

>>16837739
Green looks like a Guardia Civil with a less retarded hat.

>>16789706
>>16789739
10/10

>>16791921
And how is Nippon Kaigi fascist? Imperial Japan was never fascist to begin with so I'm not sure why "fascists" would want to go back to it.

>>16853869
Showa Japan wasn't strictly fascist but it ticked enough boxes to be called that. Nippon Kaigi itself isn't fascist but it's a ultra-nationalist, traditionalist, reactionary, revisionist party. Just the common usage of "fascist" gets the message through.

>>16853903
>Showa Japan wasn't strictly fascist but it ticked enough boxes to be called that.
No, it didn't.

>Just the common usage of "fascist" gets the message through.
No. You can't just rewrite definitions.

>>16853985
Not the person you were talking to - what words would you use to summarize the political system of Imperial Japan if you had to do so in a few words?

>>16791429

Hello Pole, have you considered moving to Chicago? I'm pretty sure the Polish population here will soon outnumber Poland itself.

I want to get into jap army autism but don't know where to start
Does anyone know some cool jap army otaku forum or twitter accounts or something? I'm already following the official JSDF accounts

>>16854001
Well for one thing, Imperial Japan was not a one party state, it would have liked to be one I suppose.
It was a Monarchy, in fact you could even go so far and claim it to be a form of Theocracy considering that the Emperor was considered to be a divine being, that was mainly controlled by the military. So it was mainly a Military Dictatorship, of which many exist and have been around. It does not make one fascist. Fascism is related to many, including economics, and not just form of government.
To add to that, Japan was never really unified under a specific type of Military control. There was a lot of infighting between the IJN and the IJA, they wanted completely different things. And just like that, there were many people in Japan that did not stand with the Japanese ruling party.
Basically Imperial Japan was never a unified one party state that was ruled under one Military government, hell the IJA started the Second Sino war on its own.

>>16854042
No and no.

>>16854001
"Awesome"

>>16854047
I was wondering this as well. I'd like to learn some Japanese military terms.

>>16854061
>Fascism is related to many, including economics, and not just form of government.
I thought the Imperial Japanese economic model wasn't that far from what had been implemented in fascist states - some variant of state-directed capitalism.

In all honesty, I'd like to have a more detailed conversation about this at some point, but /jp/ isn't really the board for it and /his/ looks like a shitpile, so I guess this can just be one of those conversations that never happens.

Can friendly anons share any JSDF pics they have?

I'm interested in seeing more but attempts on /k/ weren't successful.

>>16820931
What is this exactly?

>>16854311

You can look around for them in places such as these:

JGSDF Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jgsdf_pr/ (Some really beautiful photos here)
JGSDF Twitter: https://twitter.com/JGSDF_pr
JGSDF English Twitter: https://twitter.com/Japan_GSDF

JGSDF Reserve Twitter: https://twitter.com/jgsdf_reserve

JMSDF Twitter: https://twitter.com/JMSDF_PAO

JASDF Twitter: https://twitter.com/JASDF_PAO

JSDF.info Twitter https://twitter.com/JSDFinfo/media

>>16854047
>>16854095
>>16854311
>>16854384

I would love to see reoccurring JSDF threads on /jp/
I think they would fit here more than /k/

>>16789695
For a second I thought far left man had a melon-shaped hat.

>>16854384
Thanks

>>16854384
Nice, thanks

>You will never join the Japanese Baka Gaijin Legion

How do you cope with this feel, bros?

>>16793965
what's with the fucked up legs? Was that an entry requirement or something?

>>16862213
My legs are like that

>>16862213
Lose some weight and your legs might look as good

>>16853985
Nippon Kaigi is revisionist, ultranationalist, traditionalist and reactionary. Combine that with an authoritarian streak and a hard-on for the military and you have something that is close enough to be called "fascist."

Is the word fascist debased by people throwing it around as a slur. Yes. This is not the case. Imperial Japan was very similar ideologically to their European allies and a handful of cosmetic differences doesn't mean YOU get to derail a conversation with pedantic hair-splitting.

>>16854061
Hoo boy lots of lies in this post.
>Imperial Japan was not a one party state
Political parties were banned in 1940, with socialist parties being banned well before that. Trade unions faced a similar fate.
>It was a Monarchy, in fact you could even go so far and claim it to be a form of Theocracy considering that the Emperor was considered to be a divine being,
Japan was first and foremost a military dictatorship. The Emperor rarely exercised any significant control over the army during the war. Furthermore, the Emperor himself has *never* been a truly infallible god-on-Earth despite mainstream appeals: he is Emperor solely because of his bloodline and throughout history ultranationalists have been perfectly comfortable with outright murdering any Emperor seen as insufficiently patriotic and installing a cousin as a puppet.
>So it was mainly a Military Dictatorship, of which many exist and have been around. It does not make one fascist. Fascism is related to many, including economics, and not just form of government
As has been said before, the Showa military government ticked off all the major boxes for fascism. This includes a corporatist state capitalism where everything is managed by a powerful central government that is supposed to bring together different classes to cooperate under the fascist umbrella.
>Japan was never really unified under a specific type of Military control. There was a lot of infighting between the IJN and the IJA
Factionalism did exist but, unlike what you're implying, it rarely led to different sections of Imperial armed forces fighting independently or each other. To the extent that it hurt the war effort, IJA-IJN rivalries were more over resources and prestige rather than ideology, something similar to the current rivalries within the U.S. intelligence community.
>And just like that, there were many people in Japan that did not stand with the Japanese ruling party.
Japan was a highly authoritarian state complete with its own secret police. Dissent was allowed but there were obvious red lines (legitimacy of the military government, socialism, abandoning the war effort) that were to be crossed at one's peril. Outside of officially sanctioned state violence, ultranationalists frequently murdered opposition politicians and outspoken socialists who went too far in their criticism.

There are differences between European fascist countries and Imperial Japan. But it's disingenuous to say that Tojo can't be called a fascist because his government wasn't a literal mirror of Fascist Italy.

>>16854098
The most accessible jumping off point for the topic is the first three volumes of Mizuki's Showa series. It is obviously an abbreviated history, but he touches on all of the main points and developments in the lead up to the fall of Taisho democracy. Drawn and Quarterly has a good translation, though the final volume (1953-1989) is comparatively weak.

>>16862656
shut up weeaboo nerd

>>16868806
>shut up weeaboo nerd
n-no bully

>>16854400
Sadly, the JSDF isn't related to otaku media. And before you say "There are military otaku!", well, there are also PC otaku but we don't talk about computers here, that's why /g/ exists. These otaku aren't born from Japanese self referencing media.

>>16870253
I'm sorry but your comparison doesn't make sense.
We already have a board for military otaku in general, it's called /k/
JSDF otaku are not the same.

There are no Japanese-specific computer otaku. Only computer otaku in general, hence /g/

>>16873191
i'm a Shift_JIS otaku, can i stay

>>16873191
>There are no Japanese-specific computer otaku.
Yes there are, that's what /vr/ is for.

>>16873377
なにそれ

>>16792571
Japan only went Imperial due to the failure of democracy. Slowly, many Asian countries are following their example

>>16862656
>military dictatorship
That is basically Japan until it was stopped by the US and turned it into a ultranationalists authoritarian government.

>>16791429
Ok. How's that related to the topic though?

>>16879212

Was a reply to:
>>16790249

>>16862656
Damn, I wish I knew enough about history to wreck imperial apologists this hard.

>>16883903
He didn't wreck him much at all, it's just that nobody's bothering to reply

>>16883903
I'm the dude he replied to and there are a lot of things that are, in my eyes, wrong but I don't feel like responding.
It's a lot of work that I just can't be arsed to do and half hearted shit isn't really that cool. "imperial apologist" already tells me there is no point anyways. It's like being surrounded by VATNIKKKK and BURGER posters on /k/.

>>16790249
This is implying that /jp/ = Japanese culture

I'm into otaku culture, not Japanese culture. If there was a war I'd help as many of my favourite dojinshi artists escape the draft and settle with them in a neutral third country.
Maybe we can get melonpan to give us all Swiss citizenship, although otoh having to live the rest of your life with melonpan might be a fate worse than getting shredded to a bloody pulp by artillery shells

>>16791429
This is the kind of nationalism that constantly getting wrecked by Prussians and Russians creates

>>16854075
A batman was an enlisted soldier that acted as an officer's second, like a personal servant. Fun fact: the relationship in LotR between Frodo and Sam was based on the officer-batman dynamic, which Tolkien saw in action during WW1.

>>16883301
Oh, okay.

>>16888971
Cool info. Thanks.

>>16789844
East Asians fear those digits.

>>16803967
Kinda reminds me ZAFT uniform without all those buttons.

>>16876692
>due to the failure of democracy
Bank crashes (more than 20 in 1927) and the collapse of exports (silk, rice) in the 1930s that impoverished millions of farmers would have happened under an Imperial system or a democracy.

Both are run by humans and are subject to the same pressures.

>>16789695
Pretty slik

>>16789695
Of course it's an anime uniform. Based nips

>>16887375
You might also want to go back to /k/.

>>16790249

Many variablesthat needs to be defined for me to answer that correctly, cause for invading, the state of japan and its rule, intentions etc. But yes, given the right circumstances I could certainly imagine sabotaging from the inside as I'm not entirely satisfied with the way this country is managed currently, if there's a chance of improvement why not take it.

>>16923544
I wouldn't harbour any delusions that occupation by any east asian armed force would be anything other than brutal

>>16919264
You might also want to go kill yourself.