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>>16809802
Kasen is just a simple human hermit, not a youkai!

>>16809802
I suspect Yuuka and Tewi, but have no solid evidence.

>>16809802
>Kasen
>youkai
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>16810250
it's heavily implied
also a ying yang orb fucked her arm up once

>>16810238
>Tewi
Doubtful, too much of a shit.

Tewi. Yuuka. Lord Tenma.

>>16811361
Trickster sage/god/whatever that just doesn't give a fuck is believable.

Tenma, Yuuka?
Suika seems possible, but I dunno.

Probably people who we: Know little about, have loads of personal power/high position or similar.
I'm going to say (maybe) Letty as well as Tenma or Yuuka.

>>16813663
Well, we know there's a fox civilization somewhere out in Gensokyo. Maybe one of their heads is a Sage. Not Ran though.

>>16809802
>youkai sages
is that how you say sex demon?

Yuuka and Suika

Maybe Yuyuko?

>>16815851
Yes, you become a semen demon by being a very powerful and sexy youkai.

>>16816416
Yuyuko is not a youkai, she's a ghost.

>>16809802
Suika is extremely powerful, used to be one of the rulers of Youkai Mountain, and has a long history with two other sages to the point where they can call on her for favors. She's a good candidate. Much of the same logic would apply to Yuugi, but we've never seen her take an interest in politics.

I'd say Yuyuko, but she doesn't live in Gensokyo and ghosts aren't consistently referred to as youkai. (that is, you'd generally speak of the inhabitants of Gensokyo as "humans, ghosts, fairies and youkai", but if you said "humans line up on the left side of the room and youkai on the right" then ghosts and fairies would line up on the right)

Mima.

>>16810384
Why is Yukarin always to cute?

Suika makes sense although I would find it a bit odd for multiple of the Big Four to be sages

>>16810384
it's not!

>>16820266
that's a nosense, why she would want the hakurei balls when?

>>16810238
Yuuka has the power but she doesn't really have the responsibility or patience to be involved in sagely duties or managing Gensokyo.

>>16810238
Definitely not Yuuka, who is likely an outsider. Probably not Tewi, I just can't see it.

>>16819977
Suika is definitely a strong candidate. If Yuugi is also, then it's likely all 4 devas are sages, so one we haven't met yet and Kasen, as we already know.

And yeah I agree, Yuyuko doesn't seem like she's a sage. She's powerful and clearly more knowledgable about things than she lets on, but all her dying stuff with Yukari happened after Gensokyo's creation, right?

Anybody who might've been inside the border (or close to it) during its creation is considered.
If they have a leadership role or is powerful enough to cause an incident then they are also considered.
Yukari
Ran
Kasen
Suika
Yuugi
Unknown Oni
Tenma
Tewi (?)
Yuuka (Not too much of a backstory to telll.)
Letty (^but might also be western, could be immigrant)
Otherwise I don't think we have any candidates

>>16843730
>but might also be western
Do you mean she might be from western mythos? She's a Yuki-Onna, isn't she?

And I don't think Ran could be a sage, it would be really wierd for a sage to be bound in magical servitude to another sage. As >>16815775 pointed out, there's a good chance a different Kitsune could be a sage, however.

What if Junko's a sage?

>>16843176
Yuyuko has been around longer then the border, she's also stuck in the netherworld (or was, because yukari accidentally forgets to patch the gate up)
>>16843164
Gensokyo became a thing in the 1880s (iirc) so Yuuka could always have bought import goods or gotten it later (since sages can go outside, or kasen can) the only thing that might bar her is her irresponsibility, but she also keeps to herself most of the time. What she does in pc98 is a bit iffy on canon status.

Your reasoning might apply better to Letty who may have gone to Japan and been mistaken for a yuki-onna instead of an ice lady or similar thing. She seems more western then Yuuka.

>>16843756
The information we have on characters is limited to character perspective, iirc the info on most characters are what Akyuu makes of them.

>>16843793
Letty's status as a yuki-onna comes from Akyuu's bias in other words.
All we really know about her being is that she's a seasonal winter youkai who is powerful enough to cause an incident.
The dragon was fucking up the weather and seasons when it appeared, so there's some link at least.
Her clothing and name aren't the most japanese either, but her power and occupation of casting snow is what makes her a candidate.
The west had contact with Japan in the 1880s too anyway.

>>16843840
She's called specifically "a type" of yuki-onna too, so she could be misinterpreted.
Her actual power is from Zun's statement compared to Akyuu who doesn't get to witness her full power (since she's very self-controlled compared to say, Yuuka)

>>16843887
Also she scares Rinnosuke shitless apparently.

>>16843756
Ran is the strongest and smartest beast youkai but that's it
she does her own checks on the border though

>>16843730
>>16843756
>>16843963
Agreed that Ran isn't likely to be a sage. She's smart but she has zero creativity, so she can't really operate on the same level as Yukari and Kasen.

Yuyuko would be a candidate... if she wasn't the queen of the Netherworld, which means she doesn't have any business in the creation of Gensokyo.

>>16844022
It's a dilemma between "being closer to Yukari = closer to sage" and "being slave to yukari = less likely to be a sage"

>>16843730
>>16843756
>>16843963
>>16844022
>>16857308
There's literally zero chances Ran could be a sage, Ran is just a shikigami spirit, the kitsune body she has doesn't even belong to her.

>While she (Yukari) employs several shikigami, the one she makes the most use of is Ran Yakumo.
>Be careful though: Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being.

And besides, the power Ran has is not her own, but rather Yukari's.

>Yukari: By following my will, Ran can obtain power equal to my level. Therefore, if she properly follows my orders, it would be impossible for her to lose. If she acts on her own, her power will be weakened to a degree that could not compare in the least.
>Yukari: In addition, Ran occasionally forgets that she is a shikigami, a servant. That is extremely dangerous. If she does not have a firm grasp on her position, she will easily diverge from the path I have laid out. It was likely because I was unable to supervise her while I was asleep, but at the very least, it now seems like she will not soon lose sight of who the master is.

Inb4 Konngara is the 4th Oni

>>16809802
Tewi is pretty old, isn't she?
Also Eirin said that they can stay in Eintei only because Tewi tolerates their immigrant asses, so she seems like she could have some kind of influence or power.

>>16858582
>There's literally zero chances Ran could be a sage, Ran is just a shikigami spirit, the kitsune body she has doesn't even belong to her.

While I don't think Ran is a sage, I don't think being a shikigami automatically excludes her. She's still potentially a very old, intelligent, and powerful being.

>And besides, the power Ran has is not her own, but rather Yukari's.

She's stronger when she can draw off of Yukari's strength, but that doesn't mean she's necessarily powerless without Yukari.

>>16859011
>She's stronger when she can draw off of Yukari's strength, but that doesn't mean she's necessarily powerless without Yukari.
From what Yukari says in pic related, Yukari implies that without her powers, Ran is actually weak enough to be potentially harmed by common humans.

>She's still potentially a very old, intelligent, and powerful being.
While she might be intelligent when it comes to stuff like math and all of that, but she not very clever; she can be reckless (for the lack of a better word).
Not only was she provoked into a fight by humans and endangered herself. To the point that Yukari had to beat her up as a punishment.

But Ran also seems to has have an addiction to fried tofu; Rinnosuke was even able to summon her almost instantly by leaving some on his front porch

>>16858582
not this shit again.

>>16859181
>From what Yukari says in pic related, Yukari implies that without her powers, Ran is actually weak enough to be potentially harmed by common humans.
Ridiculous, she's a fucking nine-tailed fox for fucks sake.

>>16860548
I just noticed I completely forgot to add pic related in >>16859011 Even though I mentioned it in the post.

But yeah, notice how Yukari constantly mentions in her interview about how Ran was endangering herself during her fight against the humans.

>>16860674
She might've attracted some more powerful humans if she kept it up, for all we know.
But common humans being able to stand up to a nine tailed fox seems ridiculous unless being a shikigami gimps her normal power in favor of Yukari's.

>>16859181
>>16860548
>>16860674
>>16860747
Reminder that literally the only reason that part is even in there is to make computer jokes about software doing things outside what the programmer/user intends and shouldn't be read as though it were some sort of concrete statement about Ran's powerlevels.

>>16858625
>Konngara
Who

>>16874784
ancienthu oni (?)

>>16874784
pc-98 who is maybe an Oni and if she is then she's the 1st oni in the series

>>16809802

Genji. Come on, if he's important enough to have raised Reimu, he's got to be someone pretty high up there.

>>16884516
>implying a turtle is a youkai sage
maybe if he became a beast youkai

Need a good Kasen pic to use as an avatar, kind you guys help a brother out?

>>16858582
Dude, so Ran is just puppetteering a corpse around? That's metal as fuck.

>>16899822
Yeah, google image search "kasen ibaraki" and take your pick.

>>16902823
>>16902823
>take your pick.

>>16809802
I'm pretty sure it's the four oni sages.