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>>16760422
more gaap vs shannon or gaap edits, please

beato

anon

BEATO

anon

>>16761783

Don't you cry tonight
I still love you baby
Don't you cry tonight
Don't you cry tonight
There's a heaven above you baby
And don't you cry tonight

>>16761792
Oh fuck off

>>16761805

>>16761221
Beatriiiiiiiche!!!

lambda is my mom

>>16761865
Your mom fucked a cat

>>16761873
but my dad was a faceless fat old man

>>16761873

I fucked ya sister
I fucked ya cat.
I would have fucked ya mom but the bitch is too fat!

-MC Gusto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JsIirg2CSw

Did I just miss a mystery? Finally I can tackle one myself and now it's gone/solved already?

Also I'm quite humbled that one anon gave titles to my mysteries.

>>16762475
Somebody wrote a mystery last thread but it wasn't solved. Opted to wait until another thread.

>>16762486
Ah I see. Well I'd like the chance to tackle one of these for once. It's been months since people did gameboards.

Is that anon is here, could you please repeat in red:
>The bodies of the first twilight were dead at the moment of their discovery.
>In this mystery, Shannon and Kanon are two seperate people with their own bodies, meaning there are two bodies, one being Shannon's and one being Kanon's (atleast before the cutting in half happened). Ergo, Shannon and Kanon are not "one" being.

>>16762710
Not mysteryanon, but I'm pretty sure the start said "it uses the same rules of Beato's gameboard(Kinzo is dead and Shkanon)" with more or less these words
Regarding the bodies I get the feeling one of them just cut their arm or leg off and acted as either a culprit or an accomplice, but that is just my theory

>>16763037
Shame that anon doesn't seem to be here.
Anyway, my guess is Rudolf and Kyrie as culprits, Genji as accomplice. It would work with their purple truths. One of the culprits has to be alive by the end as well and Rudolf and Kyrie were never identified.
As to what happened precisely, I can only guess until that anon comes back and answers some questions.

>>16762486
>>16762710
>>16763037
>>16763154

I'm the anon from the last thread, here's the full mystery. Shannon and Kanon are the same person, this fact is integral to solving a mystery of the first twilight and revealing some lies in purple.

>>16763347
As there are no lies in the description, that means Shannon's torso and Kanon's legs are still intact. The 6 other body parts were never said to be the ones missing.

Say it in Red!
Shkanon is still alive after the first Twilight!

>>16763426

Interesting, but wrong.

/RED/ Shannon and Kanon are dead at the first twilight. The legs and torso on the floor belong to them. The same can be said for Jessica, Maria, George, and Battler respectively. Also, There is no "Sayo", so no tricks where they are dead and Sayo is still running around.

I'd also like to define what I meant by "torso" and "legs" what I really meant was upper and lower body. Basically, they are segmented above the hips.

>>16763447
Just to get this out of the way then.

/BLUE/ Shannon, Kanon, Jessica, Maria, George and Battler are dead upon discovery.

Once I know that I can delve deeper.

>>16763451

/RED/ Shannon, Kanon, Jessica, Maria, George and Battler are dead upon discovery.

>>16763457
/BLUE/ The body parts in the furnace do not all belong to the victims of the first Twilight.

I'm guessing Kinzo is mixed in there somewhere.

>>16747930

>Erika deliberately arrives late
>While you were waiting at the restaurant you ordered something inedible for her
>You spend the meal bickering about who's going to pay for it while viciously kicking each other's shins under the table
>She follows you into the men's room and pushes you off balance to try to brain you on one of the urinals
>You try to drown her in it
>You're ejected from the restaurant
>Outside you argue loudly and become physical
>Erika makes as if she's trying to get away from you and starts shouting "rape"
>You drag her into a sidestreet while trying to shut her up
>You try to choke her, she tries to pepper spray you
>You recreate the alley fight from They Live
>Exhausted and wounded you stagger back to the mansion and try to kill each other in bed
>So loud and belligerent that Bern is hammering on the wall to get you to shut up
>The perfect evening

>>16763474

Correct. But can you answer WHY Kinzo would be placed there? Because:

/RED/ Placing the Kinzo's body in the furnace does not benefit any culprit in any way.

Answering this question will help you.

>>16763487
Ok ok, before I go on. Three torso's and three pairs of legs are in the furnace. One torso and one pair of legs belong to Kinzo.
Did the culprit place Kinzo in the furnace? Did the culprit place the other missing body parts in the furnace, or was it maybe someone else who discovered the crime scene before everyone else did?
And if two of the 6 body parts belong to Kinzo, that's one torso and one pair of legs unaccounted for.

>>16763519

/RED/ The person who placed Kinzo in the furnace was a culprit.

/RED/ all first twilight victims are accounted for at the first twilight's scene.

>>16763543
A culprit placed Kinzo in the furnace but this does not benefit them in any way? We talking different culprits here then. One threw Kinzo in the furnace, the other was oblivious.
Maybe one culprit was trying to fool someone else who later became a culprit themselves.

>/RED/ all first twilight victims are accounted for at the first twilight's scene.
So all body parts are in the boiler room at the time of discovery? Yet a torso and a pair of legs is missing. Hmmm....

Did any of the legs in the boiler room, but not in the furnace, have six toes on each foot?

>>16763644

Remember, Shannon and Kanon share the same body. Does that clear up your "missing body" issue?

>>16763667
Stupid, I keep forgetting. Shannon and Kanon are the same person. So in fact, only five people died in the first Twilight. Well, six, because of Kinzo. You've confirmed all their deaths so far.
That means the culprit killed Jessica, Maria, George, Battler and Shkannon, cut them up and burned the other bits along with Kinzo. Making it look like the bodies belonged to 6 people not including Kinzo.

>>16763722

you're on the right track now.

Now would be a good time to look at purple truths.

>>16763743
Not that Anon but I'm starting to get into this.

First I'm going to go over the major contradictions I noticed in the first twilight.

Right off the bat we have both Natsuhi and Genji claiming that the body's were not misidentified, at least Shannon and Kanon's corpses weren't. We know that's not the case however, since the two of them share the same body.

Something else that bugged me ever since I read it over when it was first posted... Krauss and Rosa said that the siblings (Or every known living member of the family) were stationed in the same room until 9:00. However Rudolf tells a different story. He was with Kyrie all night.

I don't think that's a coincidence!

>>16763743
Is every single Purple Truth a culprit says 100% correct? Or could one be true and another be a lie? Does a culprit ALWAYS lie when using purple?

>>16763784

Genji is talking about the legs and torso on the floor, so he's right that they are Shannon and Kanon.

Rudolf can be with Kyrie and the siblings at the same time. They were simply with each other the whole night.

You are correct about Natsuhi though...

>>16763804

Culprits can tell the truth in purple. However, they lie at least once in the game. If they get to speak, that is.

>>16763784
Yes, I'm fairly sure Rudolf and Kyrie are the masterminds. With Genji as a culprit.
Looks to me like they discovered the gold at night.
Eva and the rest noticed the gold later on, meaning it was already discovered.
Rudolf and Kyrie faked their deaths, they were only seen from a distance. They're alive in the end, thus complying with all the rules OP set.

>>16763840

Ha, sorry, but Kyrie and Rudolf being the killers is too anticlimactic for my tastes:

/RED/ Kyrie and Rudolf Ushiromiya are not culprits. Furthermore, they did not find the hidden gold.

>>16763840
Hm... I think there's one flaw in that logic. OP made a point of agreeing that something Natsuhi said was untrue, what with saying that none of the bodies were misidentified. Natsuhi herself might have something to do with this.

Hmmm...Nanjo is lying. He's an accomplice. Krauss and Natsuhi aren't dead. They appeared to be shot is all it says. Getting some blood down the window isn't hard at all either, one of them could've cut themselves and let the blood spill to make it look like someone got away.
Nanjo "confirmed" their deaths, then when Kyrie and Rudolf went to seal the rooms with duct tape, Krauss and Natsuhi attacked them.

>>16763917
An interesting theory... however, I would like to remind you of the definition of an accomplice in my game: they can help the culprits, but they must speak truth in purple. In order for Nanjo to lie, he would need to commit murder.

>>16763936
Is more than one culprit allowed in this game?

>>16763955
Yes, in fact:

/RED/ There is more than one culprit

>>16763955
I think it says in the original post that multiple culprits are possible.

I still hold to my Krauss/Natsuhi theory. The only thing working against me is Nanjo, but if he did kill someone somewhere down the line the theory still holds true. Just need to narrow down who he killed.

Ah of course. Nanjo killed Genji. That's why Genji has much more blood on him. Nanjo used the washcloth to dip some of Genji's blood over his own throat, which he only cut slightly, not enough to kill himself. He then set the scene. This works with every rule.

The culprits are Krauss and Natsuhi, and Nanjo is an accomplice, who also commited murder, so is able to lie with the purple truth.

>>16763974
I have a lot of Red to cut this with:

/RED/ Krauss was dead at the 2nd twilight

/RED/ Both Nanjo and Genji are dead at the 8th and 9th twilight

/RED/ Neither Natsuhi or Nanjo killed Kyrie or Rudolf

I think that's enough Red for now. Your doing well, though.

>>16763999
Interesting. Please clarify if Nanjo is an accomplice, and thus, has commited murder.

I'm afraid it's 5am here right now and I need some sleep. Hopefully the case will still be open when I'm back.

>>16764079
I'll go ahead and say Nanjo is culprit, but I'd like a correct identification and explanation of the murder he committed. I'll probably stay for a little longer, but if no one has anything else, I'll come back tomorrow.

>>16764099
Thank you. I'll mull it over. I'll get there eventually. First, sleep. Really hope this doesn't get solved before I wake up..

>>16764106
I'll leave you with a final hint: no murder in this story was committed out of greed.

>>16764110
Can you confirm that the corpse discovered was Rosa's? I found it weird that her head was mostly disfigured.

>>16764212

/RED/ The Corpse identified as Rosa in the 3rd/4th/5th Twilight is definitely Rosa

>>16763483

I masturbated to this, thanks.

This face is just hilarious to me. I love looking at the tips and just glancing and seeing this "doesn't give a fuck" look on her.

>>16765923
Fred and Delta are honestly the best characters I have ever seen. They have that autistic alpha don't give a fuck charm all the way down to a perfection.

Has anyone here played Tragedy Looper? It's basically Umineko: The Board Game.

I'm working a custom re-theme of the game to use Umineko characters and locations, as well as an Umineko tragedy set. This what I'm testing so far. It's an intro set like the "First Steps" tragedy set that comes with the game, since I feel like there's already enough "advanced" content for the game. Somehow it ended up being a bit EP5 themed, since that's my favorite episode.

See this is why I prefer single mysteries, there's just too much going on in full game boards. They either take up two whole threads, or people lose interest

I'll have some final stabs thoughs.
>>16764110
>no murder in this story was committed out of greed.
I'm assuming this is Red, correct me if that's wrong.
What bothers me then is the motive. Three people (I believe) committed several murders, but it wasn't for the gold. What possible motive could be there to kill so many, unless it's Shkannon.

/BLUE/ Shkannon is alive at the end of the game.
Not that that really matters as they could be dead halfway and it still works with the rules.

>>16768189
Shkannon was confirmed dead earlier in the thread at the first twilight.

yeah, I agree about a lot going on. Do you want to continue this, or should i give the answer?

>>16768249
I'd hate for you to give the answer after putting in so much work. I'll have to sleep on it (again), and hopefully some other anons will try your game.

I didn't mean to disparage your game board. Just from experience, I remember the game boards took a lot of time and there was a lot of down-time where no one really played until someone picked it up again. The short mysteries tend to get solved within the thread, withing a couple of hours.

I wish I was Gohda

>>16768174
I played a game of tragedy looper once at a con. An Umineko custom theme would be really cool.

>>16768307
Yeah, I understand.

Honestly, I got the idea to write a gameboard from an archived thread from about 6 months ago. I probably got the wrong idea about how long it takes to solve a gameboard from the archived thread, it was solved pretty fast there. Then again, there were a lot more people involved.

Either way, hopefully some other anons pick mine up some time soon. I really tried to give this one a meaningful and interesting story.

>>16768465
Yeah, it's a shame not many people are playing along. Give it some time, maybe tomorrow. Believe me, I know the feeling.

>I really tried to give this one a meaningful and interesting story.
I did that before with game boards but all people care about is the truth, like goats really. No love stories, not motives, just facts. It's part of why I moved to singular mysteries.
Anyway, I'll let the mystery sink in a little more and hopefully play along tomorrow. I do hope some other anons join in though, it's not fun for you if it's just me.

Are there any working umineko screenshot generators?

>>16768486
Yeah, I totally agree with you

>all people care about is the truth, like goats really.
Honestly, that's true for a lot of gameboards as well. I read a lot of games where people really were only obsessed with making them as complex as possible in terms of who and how. People forget about the why, which is ironic since it's the most important part of a mystery. A reader can accept fantastical murder methods and complicated alibis, but give them a weak motive and they're going to be disappointed. That's why I hate "they were bribed" or "they did it for the gold" as motives in Umineko. It lets the writer be lazy and treat every character the same, since it can be applied across the board.

>>16768534
Agreed. One of the earlier game boards I made was all about a secret romance between Natsuhi and Gohda. But nobody gave a crap. They just wanted answers to the locked rooms. I kept saying "without love it cannot be seen".

Part of the reason I stick to one-off murders/mysteries nowadays.

>>16768549
>all about a secret romance between Natsuhi and Gohda
That's interesting. Personally I hate Gohda as a character: he has zero characterization throughout the whole series, and also is the only person on the island with no connection to the Ushiromiya family at all (except Erika, but she has a purpose). I think Ryukishi could have left him out of the story and there wouldn't be a difference. Cool that you were able to give him a proper motive, especially when many just use him in stories because ((((no one would ever guess)))).

By one-off mysteries, do you mean a singular puzzle, like a lone locked room to solve? If you have one, I would be interested in reading it. If want to share one with me, that is.

>>16768465
I've been trying to solve it since you first posted it last thread. I just couldn't think of any good ideas for a long time, so I didn't bother posting.

>>16763347
Because they knew about Yasu, whoever did the first twilight is also the one who found the gold. They also killed him in a way that would hide his existence.
I'm calling it right now that a corpse was thrown out of the window. Or killed by being pushed out of the window. Natushi probably locked the door.

>>16768853
I've been trying to solve the game too, but I've just been too busy to post much of anything.

Higurashi gave us a mystery and revealed the truth in later episodes.

Umineko gave us a mystery and didn't reveal the truth in later episodes.

Will the next thing that cries have no mystery and no truth?

>>16768329
I wish I was George

>>16769246
Umineko did reveal the truth though.

>>16769312
It wasn't obvious enough in the visual novel like people were expecting in Higurashi. Our Confession and the manga came later.

>>16769380
It was still pretty explicit. Episode 7 pretty much beats you over the head with the answer, stopping just short of actually stating it. All the individual closed room tricks may not have been explained clearly until later on, but at least the culprit should have been obvious by the end of the vn.

>>16768602
Gohda doesn't have much characterization, that's true. I based that game board on an interview Ryukishi once gave where he said he planned on having Natsuhi and Gohda have a secret affair. He dropped the idea in the end before writing Umineko, but I liked the idea so I used it in my game board.

>By one-off mysteries, do you mean a singular puzzle, like a lone locked room to solve? If you have one, I would be interested in reading it. If want to share one with me, that is.
They call me mystery-kun around here, I post one-off mysteries once every week or two weeks. They usually involve just one murder or puzzle. I've found over the months I've been posting mysteries that shorter ones work better and keep the attention of the others longer. It's why I gave up game boards, even though they were a joy to write.

>>16770167
Oh, I've heard of you. I'll have to look back to see if I can find any threads you posted in.

>>16768853
Your definitely on the right track, but

/RED/ The person who found the gold did not kill anyone in the first twilight. They witnessed the twilight, though. Additionally, at the time they witnessed the first twilight, the person who solved the epitaph had no accomplices/friendly culprits.

I'll just write a bunch of red to see if any of it helps:

/RED/ Only one culprit killed more than one person. This culprit was also the first to die.

/RED/ The first twilight was not performed by a single person.

/RED/ Krauss, Rudolf, Kyrie, and Eva are not culprits

/RED/ Natsuhi and Nanjo are culprits, but are not the only culprits.

/RED/ In this world, Yasu was planning to carry out her murder game.

/RED/ There are five people alive at the end of this game

To the Anon from last thread that wanted to see pictures of the Shannon bed sheet I got, here you go. (pic includes the whole order, but it's mostly just Umineko stuff)

>>16771913
what are those things on the far right ?

>>16772041
Katayoku No Tori CD and a Umineko tarot card included with the CD

>>16771108
I'm lost on the motive and exactly who the culprits are. So I'll be a goat and focus on how the murders were done for now. But please don't give me any big hints on the motive for now, though. I really want to solve it on my own.

This feels too obvious to be correct, but Rudolf and Kyrie might have faked their to deaths to escape the murders. Then you would just need one hidden culprit to survive, and one to kill Nanjo and Genji.
And to get around the one kill red truth, the culprit could have forced Nanjo to kill Genji, told him to wash their hands, then killed him. This also would explain why Nanjo is a culprit.
Rosa probably lied in purple in the first twilight. "no one here would kill a child unprovoked"
It is possible that Yasu started the first twilight by killing Jessica. Then Rosa could interrupt them and perform the other murders. The epitaph solver would then place Kinzo in the furnance and mutilate the corpses. Or maybe Rosa is the epitaph solver, and Gohda or Kumasawa betrayed Yasu and did the majority of the first twilight.

Also, what the hell? Krauss and everybody talked about the inheritance in the boiler room?

>>16773213
I think the motives will be somewhat easier to ascertain once you understand all the killings. Here are the reds I have for you:

/RED/ Rosa did lie at the first twilight scene, and is in fact a culprit. However, she is not a culprit by her own will.

/RED/ Kyrie and Rudolf did fake their deaths. It was not to escape the murders, though.

/RED/ No culprit was forced to commit murder.

/RED/ The only people in the guest house when Nanjo and Genji died were Eva, Hideoyoshi, Nanjo and Genji.

/RED/ Rosa did not kill anyone in the first twilight.

/RED/ Gohda and Kumasawa did not commit murder.

/RED/ Rosa is not the epitaph solver.

/RED/ The epitaph solver did not place Kinzo in the furnace.

>Krauss and everybody talked about the inheritance in the boiler room?
Where did you get this from?

>>16773242
"I spent my time last night discussing the inheritance with every living family member in this room until 9:00 pm," Then the rest of the purple truths imply they're in the boiler room.

>>16773260
Oh, that's an error on my part. Sorry, ignore that.

>>16773260
I see why i wrote that, i meant for him to be saying something like "i was talking to every family member standing in this room". I see how ambiguous the sentence is, though.

>>16773242
I'll get started with the red truths relevant to my theory now.
If Rosa kills a culprit in self defense, does that make her a culprit as well? Or maybe she was certain that an innocent person X was the murderer, and incorrectly killed them.
They say Kyrie and Rudolf are capable of overpowering a single culprit in a life or death fight. But it's perfectly possible that they ran into a culprit and didn't bother fighting. Maybe the culprit had some reason to not kill them, and told them to fake their deaths instead.
It's still possible that Nanjo killed Genji, started cleaning himself to get rid of evidence, then was murdered by Hideyoshi. He's the only one without an alibi or red truth proclaiming his innocence in the guest house.

>>16773321
/RED/ a murderer/culprit is someone who kills someone else, regardless of circumstances.

/RED/ Kyrie and Rudolf did not run into any culprit.

/RED/ I previously stated Eva is not a culprit in red. Eva says in purple "Neither me nor Hideyoshi could have killed Nanjo and Genji". This denies the "Hideyoshi as Nanjo's killer" theory. Also, this not a case of wordplay. He could not have killed just one of them, either.

>>16773368
Darn. I was really hoping that was a wordplay trick.
Eva says the front door was locked, but nothing about windows. Nanjo's killer still could have escaped.

beato

>>16773448
Ha, you're really making me feel bad. There's a lot that I could have done with Nanjo and Genji's deaths, but it wouldn't make sense with the story.

/RED/ No one other than Nanjo, Genji, Eva and Hideyoshi were ever in the guest house. furthermore, the killer was present in the room when they killed Nanjo and Genji.

>>16773494
Nanjo and Genji put poison in the tea, drank it, and went into the bathroom to die. They used a key from one of the dead servants to lock the door. The washcloth was to apply fake blood to themselves and the razor blade. They tried to make it look like it was done with magic. The killer is either the poison, or Nanjo and Genji themselves.

>>16773794
ohoho, I like your imagination, but I'm afraid their deaths were far more simple than that.

/RED/ There was no poison in Nanjo and Genji's tea. In fact, they never drank their tea.

/RED/ No key was removed from a dead servant. However, all doors can be locked from the inside without a key.

/RED/ The blood on Nanjo and Genji is real, and both are dead on discovery.

/RED/ only a human can be defined as a "killer".

>>16773822
I have no idea. I'll go for another twilight for now.
Second, third, and fourth.
Rosa was pushed out of the window in the second twilight and brutally hit her head on the ground. Gohda and Kumasawa were killed and staked by Yasu before the first twilight. The epitaph solver moved all the corpses there and staked Rosa's corpse so it would fit with the murder game.

>>16773892
Excellent deduction. However, there is one flaw, not a game breaker:

/RED/ The epitaph solver did not move the corpses of Gohda, Kumasawa and Rosa

>>16773911
Then it was Natsuhi, and the epitaph solver was with the main group.

>>16773928
/RED/ Natsuhi did not move the corpses of Gohda, Kumasawa and Rosa

>>16773935
The only ones left who could have moved are the servants who were still alive and connected to Yasu's plan, Nanjo and/or Genji. The only time they could have placed the bodies there was before the second twilight was discovered.

First twilight. Yasu placed Kinzo in the furnace and killed George, Jessica, and Maria. It's already known that he wouldn't kill Battler, so there are two more culprits here besides him. Rosa might have killed Yasu in self defense here. But she wouldn't have mutilated the corpses. Maybe the epitaph solver or the servants did. No clue who killed Battler yet, but it probably wasn't anyone that was helping Yasu with the murder game.

>>16773988
Oops, you're falling off track. Here's some red:

/RED/ Yasu did not place Kinzo in the furnace

/RED/ in this world Yasu would and could kill Battler. she is more focused on tormenting the adults than creating a "solvable" murder mystery.

/RED/ Rosa did not kill Yasu. In fact, Rosa did not kill because she thought her victim was a culprit. The person Rosa killed did not try to provoke or attack her in any way.

/RED/ There are 5 culprits in this game.

How do you like my red, little detective?

>>16774028
The last one makes things a lot easier! It's good to have a precise number.
So, Natsuhi, Yasu, Rosa, Nanjo, and the epitaph solver. You can knock the last one off and add a culprit X you assume Natsuhi solved the epitaph.
This would mean six kills by Yasu and four by the others with the one kill rule. But this doesn't add up right now, does it? There are only five survivors. This means either Nanjo must have committed suicide.
Nanjo has access to the study. It's very possible he placed Kinzo in the furnace. Genji, too. You don't have to be a culprit to move a corpse.
It is already known Rosa died during the second twilight. While Krauss was asleep he was shot and killed by Rosa. Natsuhi kills Rosa by pushing her out of the window. Then all that has to be done is to place the gun outside.
Yasu killed all of the cousins, only to get killed by Culprit X before getting to set up the twilight. Natsuhi found the corpses before anyone else, and set it up in a way that fits the murder game. The servants probably helped her with that.
Culprit X is probably Hideyoshi. Natsuhi is the hidden survivor.

>>16774155
You are SO close to the truth. I also typed up the whole truth of the game, so you'll get a little story as a reward. Now:

/RED/ as I said before, Natsuhi did not move the corpses

/RED/ Rosa did not murder Krauss intentionally

/RED/ Hideyoshi is not a culprit

Who murdered Kumasawa and Gohda, and why? The answer should be obvious once you know who killed them.

>>16774178
Then culprit X is Genji. He moved the corpses. Maybe with help with Nanjo.
Rosa does have bad trigger discipline. The gun could have gone off accidentally and shot through the wall, but that's a cheap answer. I don't really have a good idea here.
It's already known that Yasu killed them. Maybe they tried to run off with the money they were given? Or simply as part of the murder game.

>>16774218

Aw, think about the first twilight. Yasu died. do you really think she meant for that to happen? But of course, she was planning to have a first twilight... I don't want to just give this one to you.

/RED/ Your "culprit x" is in fact Genji.

Really, I wouldn't think too hard about Rosa murdering. think about what happened at the tea party of EP7, and why a similar situation could arise. Also, remember:

/RED/ No murder in this game was committed out of greed.

>>16774232
I think I get it. Obviously the cousins deaths were all intentionally done by Yasu and took place first. Yasu was probably going to kill Gohda or Kumasawa for the first twilight too. But the servants actually fought back, killing Yasu and losing Gohda and Kumasawa. Alternatively, the servants knew Natsuhi had solved the epitaph and wanted the game to end, but Yasu wanted for it to continue. Then the same fight broke out.

The last Twilight is easy now. Nanjo killed Genji, washed his hands, placed the items in the bowl outside, then killed himself with by holding a razorblade through the washcloth. You only have a few seconds to do anything with a cut throat, but that's enough time to put the washcloth in the sink.

Rosa knew Natsuhi solved the epitaph. She was going to her room to confront her about it. Krauss's death was an accident, so it doesn't count as being from greed. Natsuhi freaked out about Krauss being dead and killed Rosa.

>>16774263
/RED/ Yasu would still have ended the game if sh e knew the epitaph was solved

/RED/ No servants resisted Yasu

/RED/ You are so close with Rosa I'm gonna give it to you. She did overhear something from Natsuhi, but it wasn't just about the epitaph.

How did the razor get in the bowl outside the room?

/RED/ there was only one razor blade in the entire Guest house (gonna make this simpler, so no tricks)

I am too late for this gameboard. But, just wanted to let you know I am enjoying this back and forth gameboard.
Our detective has wonderful imagination!

>>16774273
But if no servants resisted, then why Genji kill him? Maybe there was an error setting up the first twilight that resulted in his death? I need more time to think about this.
Natsuhi did witness the first Twilight. She likely was talking about it and the gold with Krauss when Rosa heard them.
Not sure what you mean by no tricks, but I'll give this a shot anyway. There's still a method for Nanjo. If your artery if cut, you can just keep it pinched to prevent bleeding and passing out. Nanjo cut only one side of his carotid arteries, kept it pinched through the washcloth, and placed the items outside. When he was done he quickly threw the washcloth into the sink and died.

>>16774288
Thank you very much!

>>16774301
Natsuhi witnessed the first twilight. She reveals the fact she solved the epitaph. What do you think happened after that?

i said no tricks because I thought you were implying that there was more than one razor with your previous theory, since you said Nanjo put the items outside the room, locked the door, and slit his throat.

On all other counts, you are right on the money.

>>16774288
He really is! I'm pretty humbled by his interest in my gameboard

>>16774310
I've been assuming that the whole torso legs thing was to cover up Yasu's death. Genji and Nanjo did keep trying to have the murder game continue, even to the point of killing themselves. So him dying probably was an accident like I thought.
It's perfectly rational for Rosa to think that Natsuhi would be a bad person after overhearing that. If Rosa takes aim to kill Natsuhi, but instead hits Krauss, is that an accident? Alternatively, aiming at Krauss and Natsuhi without the intention to kill and having the gun go off due to her bad trigger discipline can also be correct.

>>16774328
sorry, but:

/RED/ No one wanted the murder games to continue after Yasu died. However, they did want to hide the truth of the matter. However, None of them were willing to murder an innocent to cover up the truth.

>>16774344
That's almost what I meant.
They never killed anyone themselves, but they did take advantage of any other murders and used the corpses to set up the Twilights. Then they committed suicide at the end for the final Twilight. I'm assuming Genji let Nanjo kill him because there are no signs of a fight, and all the blood is on the front of their clothes.

I was being stupid. Rosa confronted them with the gun and they charged at her to pry it away. Krauss was accidentally shot during the struggle.

>>16774457
hmm, I really don't want to drag the motives for the crimes out, but you are really close. You were right the first time about Rosa, she only shot Krauss because of the tension of the situation, neither party was going to hurt the other. Neither of them really provoked her.

You're so close with this, would you like me to just reveal the whole truth? You have the who and how, and the exact motives are probably gonna take awhile. you have some of them already.

>>16774457
ok, if you want to continue, I have a clue for you:

/RED/ The bomb was set to go off, and No one alive knew how to turn it off. The goal was to get everyone off the island asap. Natsuhi was working with Nanjo and Genji. They were also set on not revealing the true killers. what happened to make this gameboard go the way it did?

>>16774486
I feel like I've got almost everything solved with motives too. Yasu killed for the same reasons as always. Rosa's kill was an accident. Natsuhi killed in anger. Nanjo killed to hide the truth. The only things I don't have are the specifics about Genji and Yasu's accident and why Kyrie and Rudolf faked their deaths. And those two feel impossible to me.
So you can go ahead.

>>16774523
Wait hold on, let me think about that red truth first. I didn't see it when I posted.

>>16774517
Natsuhi found the bomb along with the gold. Genji and Nanjo teamed up with her and told her the truth sometime before the Second Twilight and after Yasu died. She was telling Krauss about the truth, bomb, and everything else.
Nanjo and Genji killed themselves as the last part of the fake murder gameboard. The whole point of which was to prevent suspicion from falling upon any Ushiromiya family members. It would be terrible if any of them were given an incorrect life sentence after escaping a bomb and murderer.

I still have no idea why Rudolf and Kyrie faked their deaths. Maybe something to do with getting away from the other survivors. Or some sort of plan to escape the bomb, if they did find it too.
Natsuhi was knocking on the door to tell Hideyoshi and Eva about the bomb.

If this is all wrong, just reveal it.

>>16774597
Hmm, you were a little off, but you did really well overall. Thanks for playing my game! I hope I wasn't too bad of a game master, this was my first time. Here's the truth:

On the night of the murders, Natsuhi was having a particularly awful headache, no doubt brought on by the bickering of the siblings over the inheritance. She wandered the mansion aimlessly, until she came upon the witch’s portrait. Looking at the epitaph, she realized hint x, and solved the epitaph. She then located and opened the VIP room with the mountain of gold.

Returning to the mansion, she looked for a servant she trusted to confide in, fearing the family's reaction to the news. She came across the dining room, and saw something truly horribly. Jessica, George, Battler, Maria, Kumasawa and Gohda were slumped over in chairs around the table, with have-drank tea cups in front of them. Shannon, Genji and Nanjo stood in the room. Shannon held a gun.

Shannon quickly pointed the gun at Natsuhi, and threatened to kill her. Suspecting this had something to do with the letter that the family had been read at dinner, Natsuhi revealed that she had solved the epitaph and found the gold. Shannon immediately dropped her gun and fell the the floor, in awe and anguish over this news. She realized, in that moment, that she had likely killed the cousins and servants she cared about so much mere moments after the gold was discovered. Natsuhi took this moment to steal away Shannon’s gun and bash her over the head with it, knocking Shannon out.

Horrified by the current state of affairs, Natsuhi threatens to tell the family about the murders and have everyone present arrested. Genji counters by saying that if she says anything about the murders, they will reveal the truth about kinzo, and find a way to implicate her in the murders as well. Genji lies to Natsuhi and says that she killed Shannon, further implicating her into the murders. He explains everything about the murder games, including the bomb which he has no idea how to shut off. He proposes that they follow through with the murders of the first two twilights (since they have the bodies) and then get the family to flee the mansion to Kuwadorian to avoid the bomb, which would destroy the evidence, under the guise of it being “safer”, since there would be no chance of her being implicated. Of course, it also meant that Yasu’s secret would be safe. She agrees, believing that they can blame the murders on someone like Kinzo, and so Genji hides Kumasawa and Gohda in the kitchen pantry, and then creates the murders of the first twilight by sawing up the bodies and putting Kinzo in the furnace as a decoy.

The next morning, the bodies are found the the group moves to the parlor to discuss their next action. Krauss and Natsuhi pretend to move to a guest room to avoid the sibling’s bickering, since she needs to inform him of the truth so the existence of Kuwadorian does not seem a surprise to him when Genji recommends they flee there after the second twilight. However, Rosa retrieves a rifle from Kinzo’s armory, and follows them, and then listens to them talk. She mistakes Natsuhi as confessing to the murders, and bursts into the room. She threatens both of them, and everyone starts yelling. Krauss moves in between Rosa and Natsuhi at a particularly tense moment, and Rosa accidentally fires the rifle. Krauss is killed, and Rosa drops the rifle in shock. Natsuhi, in a fit of insane rage, grabs Rosa and forces her out the window. Rosa falls to her death, splattering her head against the hard ground.

Genji, who attempted to follow Natsuhi but had to hide from Rosa, sees Rosa fall. He moves Rosa’s body to the Pantry and sets up the room as a twilight, unsure of what to do. He returns to the group to not arouse suspicion.

1/2

>>16774638

2/2

Meanwhile, Natsuhi deals with the scene of the second twilight. Sure that she will be pinned as the killer, she decides to fake her own death, coating herself in her husband’s blood and laying on the bed face down. She also threw Rosa’s gun outside the door and locked it, attempting to do as much as she could in a small time frame. Nanjo and Genji, unsure of the current plan, decide to not expose Natsuhi when they discover the body with the rest of the group.

After that, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th twilights are discovered. Natsuhi goes into hiding, since she’s not in her best mental state after committing murder. Kyrie and Rudolf purpose the plan to split up, sure that something is not right. Leaving the group, they reexamine all the rooms with corpses, and notice Natsuhi is missing. Sure that confronting her directly could result in drastic measures by both parties, they decide to fake both of their deaths in plain view to draw her out of hiding. They are sure that the others will be too scared to leave the guest house.

Natsuhi, horrified that Genji and Nanjo might have decided to continue the game, goes outside to investigate their corpses, and is restrained by Kyrie and Rudolf.

Nanjo and Genji, having seen Kyrie and Rudolf from the window, are horrified and sure that Natsuhi has gone completely insane and decided to kill everyone to cover up her own crimes. They also feel guilty for not coming clean earlier, but refuse to face Eva and Hideyoshi. They choose, instead of confessing their crimes, to commit suicide in a way that would look like a murder. Nanjo is trusted with the suicide, being a doctor, and decides to slit both of their throats. Nanjo wears gloves while doing so, and runs to burn the gloves in the fire. He keeps blood from getting everywhere (and himself from hemorrhaging) by putting the washcloth on his wound. He then places Genji’s master key and the razor outside the room to create the illusion of a murder. He locks the door from the inside and lays down in the bathroom.

Shortly after, Rudolf and Kyrie knock on the door of the guest house and Eva and Hideyoshi answer. They have Natsuhi with them. She explains the truth of the night, and is extremely distraught and unstable from the killings. She tells them to flee to Kuwadorian, as she has no idea how to turn the bomb off. She elects to stay at the mansion, as she feels responsible for killing Rosa and partially responsible for Nanjo and Genji’s deaths as well. The 4 adults escape to Kuwadorian and survive, and Natsuhi dies when the bomb explodes.

If I didn't answer everything, just ask, I can clarify. I wrote this while I was pretty tired, so I might not have said everything necessary.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. This has been a lot of fun!

>>16774638
>>16774646
>Leaving the group, they reexamine all the rooms with corpses, and notice Natsuhi is missing. Sure that confronting her directly could result in drastic measures by both parties, they decide to fake both of their deaths in plain view to draw her out of hiding. They are sure that the others will be too scared to leave the guest house.
Damn. I was going to post almost exactly that, before I changed it for being too silly.

I haven't participated in very many mysteries, but this was extremely good, with a nice difficulty to it. I got really engrossed into it really fast. Aside from two times, the fifteen-thirty minute periods between most of my posts was always me trying to come up with a theory or solution using the reds you gave me.
Time for criticism.
You do need to get better with your red truths, though. Even some of the purples regarding Rosa and the window made things too obvious. How quick you were to confirm people were and were not culprits in red and how theories were correct or incorrect are good examples.
And this is more of a personal thing, but you didn't try to attempt to trick or mislead me at all with the reds. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I feel like tricking the ones trying to solve it is a very important part of these things.
There were some good tricks with the purple, though. Like Kyrie and Rudolf's faked deaths feeling too obvious to really be fake, or the red herring saying that the injury on Rosa's head could have been done with a gun.

How much time did you spend coming up with it?

I heard from /v/ that we are getting WTC updates in a few days

Is This true?

>>16775023
Yeah, it's true.

>>16774724
Whoops. When I said "purple" I meant everything in the gameboard image. The fourth time I said "red" I more so meant all of your responses after the first gameboard post, instead of just the red truths on their own.

>>16775023
Hopefully it's not a Fool's Day joke.

>>16775032
>>16775042
Fuck yes

Guess I'll stay here until that drops

>>16775023
I haven't heard anything being confirmed for it, but there's an 07th Expansion event in a few days.
http://07th-expansion.net/party/

TRianThology was announced on the same day last year, so it's possible we'll finally get an update.

>>16775023
>I heard from /v/
Where exactly?

>>16775102
There's been a decent amount of Umineko threads over there recently.

>>16775102
Yeah it was a Umineko thread.

I imagine there's some shilling about but its fun so who cares

>>16775085
>TRianThology was announced on the same day last year
I'm pretty sure it was announced April 1st 2015. Last year on April 1st the TRT website got updated with new pictures and story descriptions I think

>>16775158
Yeah, you are right.

>>16775158
Well, while we're on the subject, Trianthology and Higurashi Hou were announced December 31st 2014.

>>16775199
Yeah, but not by name. He announced that he was writing a sci-fi story in 2014, but the title and co-writers were announced on April 1st 2015

>>16774724
I see what you mean. going through the game with you, I saw a lot of places I could have been a bit more twisty, and I definitely think the purples were a little too easy in some places. I was going off bern's question for how to make a purple truth game, and honestly, her game was fairly straightforward once you understand the rules. I guess I was just really wanted to make it to be fair to the reader, and forgot how clever some people (like you) are. With Rudolf and Kyrie's deaths, i was kinda banking on the idea that no one would think a non culprit would fake their own death. The whole thing took me about 3 and a half hours to come up with and write out (1 and a half simmering on some ideas in bed at bight, and 2 actually writing it out the next morning), but honestly I had some of the ideas for it in my head already. Anyways, If I write another mystery at some point for these threads, I'll definitely focus more on trying to actually trick the reader, or at least have more red herrings, as well as being more detailed overall. I'm pleased by the result regardless.

>>16775199
>December 31st 2014
I think you have the wrong date. The image says "Coming winter 2014!" so I assume it was announced a while earlier

>>16775158
That's right, it's 2017 now. It didn't feel like it was that long ago to me.

>>16775248
Ok, December 26th 2014 to be precise
http://anicurator.livedoor.biz/archives/1016425956.html

>>16774638
>>16774646
>>16774724
>>16775244
Mystery-anon here. This was a fine game! Takes me back to the days where we had three game boards a week. Very good for your first try.
There was a lot going on and your explanation was great. I'm afraid I missed out on playing for this last bit, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have guessed the complete story.
Hope you continue your work. Gives me a chance to participate as well.

As for what the other anon said, it's true about the Reds. I like to trick players with my Reds and it generally goes down well. Try some of that next time. Anyway, I hope you continue your work and I'm glad there's someone else in these threads who enjoys writing mystery scenarios.

I want to imagine that Higanbana and Touhou are connected and live in the same world.

Like Higanbana once upon a time stumble in Gensokyo, and then she trolls everyone. Or inversely Yukari trolls Higanbana for the sake of it when she discovers the school youkai.

Both are pretty much the same setting anyway.

INTJ master race reporting in.

>>16776748
If INTJ is the master race why does INTP represent best girl?

>>16777288
Because once you've matured a little bit, you'll realise that INTJ Kyrie could do everything Erika could AND pull the strings in the background

So did Yasu die, killed by Kyrie in underground Kuwadorian or die under sea alone?
I understand that Battler following her down deeper after he lost his consciousness was her imagination, but could it be that leading to that point was real. Including all that golden ingot stuff,boat, ear lobe kissing, atoning for sins etc.?

>>16778212
The player does it after 60+ hours of Meta bullshit

>>16776748
>>16777288
>>16777734

I'm ENFP. Which Umineko character am I?

QUICK

FAVOURITE MUSIC:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycEO16DIWpo&index=2&list=FLdSuXSeQXpX_Xax4qNKMnlw

>>16778220
Player kills her how?

>>16778739
My nigga, that's my number one favourite track in Umineko. Great taste.

>>16776748
>INTJ
>master race

Ha.
ENTJ master race here.

>>16779769
>E

gggggeeeeeeeetttt ouuutttttt

>>16781321
I already do.
You should try it sometimes.

>>16781337
I wish I could wish all the E's away

>>16781914
You could REEEEEEEE me away.

Rest in peace, my beloved thread.

ENFP here.

>>16778739
Discolor.

>>16785034
ENFP all the way!

Are The Witch Hunt still together? I need to know if someone will translate WTC5. It's a really popular series so someone surely will translate it right?

Why are we doing the Myers Briggs thing
INFP by the way

>>16785511
Witch Hunt is working with MangaGamer on the improved Umineko translation. No clue if they'll do WTC5 or not though

i wish i had never read the episode 8 manga

fuck this shit, living before was hard and now it's unbearable

I'm so hyped for new wtc

>>16785676
I'm pretty sure we all are.

Do you think it'll be set in the 80's again? Or will we see a modern day WTC?

Anyone knows how to get in the Tsumihoroboshi route in Higurashi Matsuri?

>>16786065
>Or will we see a modern day WTC?
Hotarubi is set in 2016 if that counts

I like the 80's setting personally and hope it continues. It's also helpful in mysteries not to have mobile phones or social media or whatever kind of device that can be used to contact anyone, anywhere, anytime

>>16786159
I like you my nigga

>>16785542
Welcome my INFP bro.

>>16785542
Battler is not introverted though

>>16785542
>>16787584
We don't really have an INFP in Umineko?

>>16787584
I didn't mean to imply that he is. Just wanted to post some Battler.

>>16787338
We are truly good men, brother.

>>16786680
Thanks. It's true though. It's why many murder mysteries are set in places where instant communication is impossible (remote island or mansion, airplane, train, cruise ship). I think the genre would be quite difficult if set in modern times.

>>16787811
Maybe Maria?

>>16788530
It'd still be possible, you just need to find some way to get rid of cellphones. How you're going to eliminate them is anybody's guess.

>>16786121
Since Hotarubi is supposed to have Bern and Lambda show up, it might be possible that it'll tie into the new WTC in some way. If that's the case, then we might see WTC5 take place around the same time.

>>16785615
Life is what you make of it!

>>16788693
>It'd still be possible, you just need to find some way to get rid of cellphones.
This is true, I admit. I saw a mystery drama a few years ago about a group of friends meeting up in a villa in Spain and one of them suggested putting their cellphones in a safe box so they wouldn't get distracted and could just have a lads holiday. He was the only one who knew the combination to the safe.

He was then of course brutally murdered and the rest had no access to their cellphones.
So yes, it could be done if you're imaginative. The question is why you would go through that trouble if you want a setting without cellphones in the first place?

Fuck.

>>16789873
Thanks, Rudolf.

>>16789873
Can he ever recover from this?

Where are we going to learn about the WTC 3 update?

>>16778739
Not enough variety. Besides, Patchwork Chimera did the whole "slow organ intro transitioning into a kickass main theme with a gradual buildup" better Desu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORf0tLaSn8

>>16790026
by the way, the first part of that song always reminds me of the intro to reunion and turnabout. I think it would make for a great background music for a prologue flash-forward to the moment of confrontation between detective and killer

>I was careless. The signs were always there. But I wanted to trust you.
>Funny, I always thought you had me figured out. Farewell, detective.
>screen fades to black
>gunshots
>sound of a body hitting the ground
the tweest is that the detective shot the killer in self-defense, and you are investigation the crime he committed, only to be forced to shoot him in self-defense when you confront him. you're endlessly killing your past self after solving your own crime, stuck in an eternal causality loop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj5BhEXD--U

>>16790074
Ooh I love that kind of twist. Gets my writing senses tingling.

>they're making fun of us again
https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/847661484104589315

I'm literally shaking right now, guys.
Will we see new wtc in the near future?

https://twitter.com/MangaGamer/status/847660923498053633

And the next installment of Higurashi, Chapter 5: Meakashi, is available for pre-order, Out April 28th.

>>16793193
Hmm, I thought they would make answer arcs all at once

>>16793208
I think they needed a new translation for them. So it makes sense they wouldn't wait when they have one chapter ready to go

>>16789988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlyqr5nbw74

>>16793193
Did Ryukishi07 announce anything related to WTC5?

https://07th-expansion.net/

>>16794409
>MAG 214
So it takes place in Dubai then?

Well..
https://rokkenjima.org/when-they-cry-5-collaboration-no-naku-koro-ni-unveiled/

>>16794771
All these April Fool's pranks leading up to the official reveal is going to be hell

>>16794624
When the falcons cry?
When the gazelles cry?
When the desert foxes cry?

Also, since MAG 214 was opened in 2007, it seems like it's going to be more of a modern day setting. That is unless they jump between the past and present day like they did in Umineko.

>>16794624
inb4 it's just some random ass stock photo he used and it's not set in Dubai at all

>>16795092
That's what I'm suspecting.
He used the Moulin Rouge windmill in Rose Guns Days when it took place in Japan, right?

>>16794624
Those feathers floating around in that pic look awfully like OWLS

It's happening!

Did anyone here watched the live action movies and drama of Higurashi ?
Are they at least fun to watch ?
fansub of the drama when?

>>16796490
It's funny until you realise Ryu-chan's fists actually look like that. Anyone got that pic?

>>16796517

>>16796546
Like really, who the fuck stands like that?

>>16796517
I'm currently playing Higurashi and they don't look like that, except for some portraits in the tips. Did the game get a remake at some point or something, and I happen to have it?

Really, those hands look pretty hideous, honestly...

>>16796792
Decided to attach a picture.

>>16796803
Those are the PS2 sprites.

>>16796810
I'm playing it on the PC, though, apparently natively. Has an executable and everything.

>>16796830
You're playing a fan-patched version then.

>>16796830
There's a patch that adds PS2 sprites and backgrounds to the PC version

>>16796838
I see. Makes sense. I torrented it a long time back, forgot about it and decided to play it years later. Guess the patch was already applied.

>>16796792
Here's a link for you.
https://mega.nz/#F!D9RyhBzI!qw4Svzef4ty1IUY4szP74Q

>>16775085
So this just started a few minutes ago apparently. I'm hoping that they do announcements towards the beginning rather than the end so I don't have to stay up for 6 more hours.

>>16778212
The manga makes it clear that Battler found the wounded "Beatrice", saw through her disguise instantly and identified her as Shannon, after which she explained everything to him, and after he understood and forgave her, the scene plays out pretty much like in the VN.

Basically, she knew Battler loved her and would try his best to make her life happy, but she felt there was no way she could have or even deserved a happy future because of how fundamentally messed up she was, so she decided to die right there and then at her highest point of bliss.

>>16797214
That's amazing, is there voices for the answer arcs aswell?

It's been 2 hours already, post some news R07 reee

Does WTC have the DEEPEST lore???

Speaking of Higurashi's question arcs, is there any way to get the OST without ripping the music directly from the game folder?

>>16797214
The updated CG isn't working in these, is this intended?

>>16797876
Absolutely.

>where can I read higurashi
>here you go, fully voiced and everything
>cool
And if you ever tried to put the updated CG, it won't work, meaning you absolutely have to read it in its original format. Genius, isn't it?

>>16797749
Only when MG releases the new arcs will they be included.

>>16797889

I'd say the voices ruin the original experience more than the updated art.

>>16798121
I disagree. One somewhat major complain Higurashi has is that it's rather hard to tell who is saying what. VN, as a medium doesn't have '' ''XXXXX'', said Rena'' in its dialogue. It tends to use say the dialogue and associate it with a character sprite if it changes reaction face.
This flaw is very apparent in the first few chapters of Higurashi as Ryukishi is new at this. This was improved a lot in Umineko as Ryukishi added a lot more facial animation to the cast.

Another problem people have complained is that all the characters have the same 'voice'. This might simply be an issue with the english translation, as you could tell there was a difference in the french version. But regardless, when you add the voices, you can actually feel each character's personality through their line with their voices. This was improved a lot in Umineko as without even characters sprites, you can easily tell who is speaking.

Higurashi is better in every way by having the voices.

https://twitter.com/higu_dai/status/848085953813987328

Well, looks like the party is over. Dai was there, and showed a song or something.


Nothing shown yet, though.

>>16798239

>>16798255
wait what

>>16798239
I'm looking up "なく頃に" on twitter and it seems like some new info's being released right now. My Japanese isn't that good though, but one of the things I picked up on was that the new one is apparently going to be more "open world" as apposed to a closed mystery. Not sure how reliable that info is though.

>>16798255
What's this?

>>16798255
>Higurashi + new symbol
Oh boy, what could it mean?

All these Japanese tweets are giving me conflicting answers with Google translate.

SPILL THE BEANS ALREADY, R07

>>16798263
>Ryukishi
>ever being straightforwards

People on twitter sure do say something about "lie" alot, according to Google translate.

What did they mean by this?

>>16798271
Maybe it has something to do with 'Truth'?

>>16798261
>>16798259
>>16798257
No one knows. There is speculation that it is some kind of new pachinko shit.

>>16798277
oh god please no

>>16798277
>more pachinko
Of what? There's already a Higurashi and Umineko pachinko.

>>16798277
Searching ひぐらしのなく頃に叫 on google gives me 2 websites with the word pachinko

http://pachinkolist.com/archives/50979666.html

>>16798277
>>16798289
pachinko fooled me again.

Well

>>16798271
Probably this

>>16798277
Daiichi makes pachinko, so that seems right.

>>16798302
Straight to amazon Season 2?

>>16798298
>The title logo of Daiichi "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni sho" has been released.
>A pinball-like thing like Pachinko Higurashi passed the verification, but Dynamite started tweeting the Shindai logo whatever it was. Because the specifications were pretty popular in the previous work ... I want you to keep trying this time as well.
Welp.

>>16798315
>all those string instruments
>Ange is the only one that blows
Why is it so funny
Also that orchestrated zts album is sick, if it isn't a fake then it's a great news

>>16798322
I think it will be something like Higurashi Sou, but aayway it is great

>>16798322
>orchestrated zts album
shit, what's that ? Do you have any download link ?

>>16798353
Downloaded it years ago and now I'm on mobile, search for this http://vgmdb.net/album/25659

>>16798377
>dai on classics exists as well
HOW COULD I NOT KNOW THIS

>>16797214
>https://mega.nz/#F!D9RyhBzI!qw4Svzef4ty1IUY4szP74Q
Shit man, this is great, it's more bland without voices. It's just too bad, though, because I'm already on 4, so I've already missed most of it. Thanks anyway, though.

I don't really understand why you can't use the CG, though? The old art is pretty clearly not as good.

Does Kai have voices by default? I'm planning on playing that, too.

tfw I took an all nighter for this shit

heres hoping there'll actually be some proper news when i wake up

>>16798568
>I don't really understand why you can't use the CG, though? The old art is pretty clearly not as good.
Because I made it that way.

>Does Kai have voices by default? I'm planning on playing that, too.
Not yet.
Might as well just read Kai without the voices and then reread with the voices.

>>16798334
That's a really cute image. I'd love to have that without the sample.

>>16797682
>muh sins are too great, I don't deserve to be happy
Keiichi would have slapped her shit. Why was Battler such a failure of a protagonist?

>>16798593
The 07thExpansion Party is there for fans and circles to meet each other and sell/buy their 07th related stuff.
It's not there for 07thExpansion to take the whole stage.
Also it's only been three months since Ryu started working on the new WTC, I'm actually happy about the hint on the website already.

>>16797773
Just read Watanagashi, and the whole Rena and Keiichi thinking that Shion was just Mion trying to display her femenine, reminded me a lot of Sayo's back story.

Is it just me that has problems with the music volume in Chiru (Umitweak version), most of the times the songs are too quiet and if I manually increase the volume it keeps resetting everytime the scene changes, this scene in particular annoyed me to no end and it's particularly bad because it's the first time we hear the_executioner aswell.

WHERE'S THE GODDAMN WTC 3 NEWS?

>>16798934
it's WTC 5

>>16798943
YOUR FUCKING NEXT

This is a 11yo girl.

>>16799009
I want to abuse Sextoko but then lovingly take care of her

>>16799009
Canon oppai loli

>>16798660
>three months
Is it true?

>>16799209
He said that he's going to start working on it on New Year's Day

>>16799209
https://twitter.com/07th_official/status/814754501588439040

https://rokkenjima.org/when-they-cry-5-teaser-page-published/

>Ryukishi07 himself has been talking to fans at 07th Expansion Party in Japan about the new title, offering little tidbits of info without giving too much away. Here's a rundown of some key points we were able to dig up from Twitter.

>The title gives too much away, so he wants to keep it a secret until just before it's released.
>The codename for the new When They Cry is 'The next ____'.
>The setting is not a closed circle but an open world.
>He is currently working on the feel of the world in order to develop the sub characters.
>Since it is a global story, foreign characters will likely appear.
>He's wondering how abstract to make it and whether to lean towards entertainment or something difficult to understand that will have people arguing on message boards.

>>16799392
>The codename for the new When They Cry is 'The next ____'.
Wait, what?

>>16799392
>>and whether to lean towards entertainment or something difficult to understand that will have people arguing on message boards.
I really hope it's something difficult to understand. WTC won't be the same if it's just simple entertainment

What the fuck? Was new WTC picture just a joke?

>>16799931
I think someone fucked something up. The update list on the website says
>4月2日トップページ更新 及び 動画追加！

>>16800001
>
Yeah, I saw it too.

>>16800001
>動画追加
>animation added to website
>owls flying past the screen

Please make this happen Ryu

>>16799931
Still shows up for me. Might have been an error that just got fixed.

>>16800001
>動画追加
>tfw it's a PV for the new Higurashi pachinko

>>16800056
Are you sure?
https://07th-expansion.net/

>>16800076
Good thing I snapped a screenshot just to be safe.

>>16799392
>Since it is a global story, foreign characters will likely appear.

The wording of this makes it sound like it's either going to take place in Japan again or at least most of the characters will be Japanese.

The open world part is also pretty interesting. It'd be pretty hard to make a mystery when the setting isn't a closed off area like Hinamizawa or Rokkenjima.

Shit is getting me so hyped. I love how small details are slowly gonna leak out from now on.

>>16799392
>The setting is not a closed circle but an open world.
What does this mean? Is he referring to the setting of a rural village/remote island being dumped? He's going for a bigger world?

>Since it is a global story, foreign characters will likely appear.
Honestly not that excited by this. Sounds more RGD, less WTC. I don't mind foreign characters, but a global story? Just give me my snow lodge setting Ryu-chan.

>>16793208
Nah, but at the panel Mangagamer said all of Higurashi's answer arcs would be out by the end of the con season (this summer). So they'll be coming out at a good clip.

>>16801161
I assumed what the tweets meant by that was that Ryukishi wasn't going for the time-loop story structure. Which kinda surprises me since that's pretty much a staple of a WTC title, but I guess once you've used that gimmick so much there's only so much you can do with it to keep it fresh, you know?

>>16801796
Shit, I really hope he keeps the loops. Otherwise it might as well just be a side project like RGD. I love WTC because of the time loops and suspense. If he gets rid of one of those, it's gonna be a vastly different experience.

>>16801974
The loops were also ideal for developing character depth, since you could view different sides of a person in various scenarios.

>>16799931
>>16800130
I'm pretty confused by this since it's the only thing suspicious about the whole post. The info basically isn't particularly unusual and has no potential punchline to be an April Fools' joke. And Tri was announced on April Fools' and far more likely to be a prank than this but was actually real.

>>16801987
They have to stay. Why call it WTC5 if it's not gonna have loops. The entire narrative point of WTC is the loops and how they played out different scenarios, like you said.

I think the loops are still in, just used differently. We might not see the traditional 1 loop per episode thing, this time around.

>>16802011
It's probably the same thing as last year. Last year they posted a picture of NotBeato from Gakuen Renai on April 1st, and then updated the site again on April 2nd with story descriptions

The update list on the site even says that a video will be added on April 2nd so I assume that will happen within a few hours

Alright, here's a quick mystery since it's the weekend.

MYSTERY TIME

The siblings solve the epitaph and find the gold. In this kakera they finally all manage to work together and they split the gold evenly, they also didn't bring any of their children with them in this kakera. However, as they ship the gold bars out into a boat in the secret entrance (where Battler drowned in the original VN), they come across Yasu with a gun. She's intent on killing, feeling like everything went just a little bit too well and all her planning was for nothing. Krauss, Eva, Rudolf and Rosa were too quick for Yasu though and all four of them shot Yasu straight in the face and she stumbles down the stairs. She feebly tries to climb up the stone stairs that lead up to Kuwadorian but eventually stops, stone dead. All four Ushiromiya siblings walk up and confirm Yasu's death.

The siblings load as much gold as they can and disappear with the boat. After some business deals and corner cutting, they get a lot of money and split it up. After some weeks they decide to go back and get more of the gold, as it didn't all fit on the boat.
They put the boat back at the secret entrance but are horrified. Yasu is still lying dead on the stone stairs leading up to Kuwadorian. But somehow she's climbed five sets of stairs.
The siblings are sure of it. They wouldn't forget how the killed Yasu, they checked that she was dead, and knew where she was lying on the stairs when they left her. Yet somehow she's climbed five sets of stairs up to Kuwadorian, as if to go back to the gold and protect it from these murderous siblings.
Could Yasu's spirit really have brought her closer to the gold in order to protect it? How on earth did a dead body move five sets of stairs?

>>16778739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOq7ZNTPVug
Hope is just fucking beautiful to me. It's like the Dear You of Umineko, the tune comes back in so many different other tracks, but the original is just perfect, emotional, piano music, and the seagulls crying at the end

>>16802124
When did the siblings get a hold of guns? And how did Yasu even survive long enough to attempt to climb up the stairs after being shot in the face four times? Or are guns even what they're using to "shoot" her with? Did all four of them just shoot her with water guns and mistakenly assume she was dead?

>>16802183
I have to agree
I'm pretty sure other themes play more times than it but I consider it the main theme of Umineko too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85aAeo53lls

>>16802337
/RED/ The guns were in the Gold Room, as per usual, actual Winchesters. The siblings each took one as precaution, but miraculously for once, they decided to work together.
/RED/ Yasu was shot four times in the head, collapsed on the stairs, on her stomach. She tried to climb up the stairs in her final moments, but obviously couldn't.
/RED/ Yasu died while trying to climb the stairs after being shot by the siblings.
/RED/ When the siblings returned, Yasu was five stairs higher than when they left her.

>>16802124
/bue/The water level rose and covered 5 steps

>>16802386
Alternatively,

/BLUE/ The bomb went off and the top five stairs were buried under rubble, making all the stairs below look higher.

>>16802386
Well shit. It was meant as a short little mystery but I'd hoped it'd at least last for about five posts.

But yes, <CONGRATULATIONS>
While the siblings were away, the typhoon raged on and on, and more rain came during the weeks they were away. Yasu's corpse just floated slowly up the five steps, freaking the siblings out like she was crawling back to the gold. But it was simply the water rising.

Well done anon!

>>16802446
shit I should have used a smug Erika pic

>>16802456
Too late I'm afraid. But that can backfire when you use a smug Erika pic and it turns out to be completely wrong.

>>16802446
I still like my water gun idea, and now I'm working on edits of the siblings holding super soakers.

>>16802481
And I look forward to seeing that very much.

I like how you imagined the siblings shot Yasu in the face with water guns, then fucked off on their boat.

>>16802446
Damn, I just come in and want to solve a damn mystery, and it gets solved lightning fast.

WTC5 Anime when?

>>16803786
After WTC4 anime.

Higurashi remake with 100 episodes when?

>>16803312
It was meant to be a short one, but I thought there'd be a bit more back-and-forth before the penny dropped about the water level rising. Ah well, maybe next time.

beato

>>16804129
anon

>>16804140

BEATO

>>16761169
great stuff

What new fetishes do you think Ryu-chan will unleash in WTC5?
Umineko gave me an old man fetish and a side boob fetish.

ded thred becaus no mystery to be had

>>16804332
I want to milk Shannon.

>>16804751
>side boob fetish

>>16794624
Interdasting, I remember feathers flying around for no apparent reason in at least two shootouts in RGD

>>16804858
wish the one on the right was my personal maid

>>16805014
What would you have her do if she was?

>>16805117
In my case get her molested by Gaap.

I want EVA to step on me!

>>16805117
Force her to watch me and Beato having drunken sex and telling her she is useless!

When will the seacats in space thing get released?

>>16805270
Months ago, I think

>>16805226
I would rather punch and kick EVA's belly desu

Will anyone ever scan hotarubi no tomoru koro ni? I believe only 2 or 3 chapters got scanned.

>>16805014
I kind of prefer the left personally. The extra clothing just highlights the boobs even more.

>>16805270
It was released last August

>>16805319
I prefer to be able to see her beautiful midriff and back, the boobs are a plus.

>>16805117
Breastfeeding. Also, dancing with her dressed like that sounds hot.

>>16805317
https://mega.nz/#F!OJU2HYgB!-lbNfZS31EUf2QXDKB8I2A
Chapter 11 will be out on April 10th

>>16805341
How's this then?

>>16805450
cute and sensual

>>16805351
Oh, dancing sounds great! Watching the way her boobs bounce and jiggle with each clumsy step she takes. Or holding her close so that they squish against your chest.

Breastfeeding would be a nice way to start the day off.

Personally I'd have her do several household chores using only her chest. Dusting the furniture with her underboob, cleaning the windows after soaping them up, scrubbing dishes in her cleavage,that kind of thing.

>>16805513
>Watching the way her boobs bounce and jiggle with each clumsy step she takes. Or holding her close so that they squish against your chest.
pretty much that. plus, that as she gets tired and sweaty, she leans against you so that you can embrace her and feel her throbbing chest.

>>16805554
I'd probably have her take a seat once she gets tired, then use her lap as a pillow while looking up at her and using a handkerchief to wipe the sweat off her heaving chest.

>>16805592
Once she gets tired, I would let her take a nap in a bed, and then while she is sleeping wipe the sweat off with her pasties and the few clothes she has. She would end up naked but dry.

>>16805471
I had another idea with the pasties. What do you think?

>>16805630
my favorites are still the see through rose-pattern pasties

>>16805612
Sounds nice. After discarding her clothes I'd take a nap beside her, using her chest as a pillow.

>>16805637
I can't remember, did I ever get around to making a version of that for the actual sprite?

>>16805647
I don't think so.

>>16805638
no having sex with her before that?

>>16805656
Guess I'll need to get around to that. This one right?

>>16805662
I was thinking of saving that for when we wake up. Though it might also be nice to go a quick round before collapsing on top of her and drifting off to sleep

>>16805670
>Guess I'll need to get around to that. This one right?
Yeap. Leaving for now.

>>16805391
Oh nice. I wish someone would translate it too.

Do you think Gohda cums in the food sometimes?

>>16806357
Do you think Krauss cums in his wife's headache medicine?

>>16806357
>>16806371
I bet Genji cums in Jessica's shampoo bottle secretly and revels in the fact that she's washing her hair with a mixture of soap and his own semen.

>>16806357
Of course. Here's evidence of him cumming inside a cake.

>>16806700
Gohda is the true hero of Umineko. His heavenly gift of not being able to lose in the kitchen also resides in his sperm. The entire cast of Umineko eat his food, containing his sperm, and so they get that protection as well.

>>16806385
I bet Natsuhi would notice some cum on her pills. I bet Krauss slips some cum in Eva's drink though. Then when they're all at the table she takes a sip and recognizes the taste and knows what he did, and she looks at Krauss and he just smirks.

>no new news on WTC5

Well that was a load of shit

>>16806823
>she looks at Krauss and he just smirks.

>>16806823
>>16806873
I love it. Because she can't tell anyone because nobody would believe her. And then Krauss proposes a toast, to the family, to have everyone down their drinks in one go. And everyone stands up, raises their drinks and down them in one go. And Eva looks at Krauss with a mixture of fear and disgust as she's forced to drink a Rum&Krauss in one go.

>>16806823
>>16806873
>>16806899
I'm a terrible human being but I really want to be a secretly insecure but outwardly confident eldest sibling who forces their younger sister to drink my own semen in a situation I prepared in such a way that she would have no choice

Here's the first of those water gun edits I mentioned before.

>>16805680
Okay, how's this look?
http://imgur.com/y0sPjff

>>16807826
I love this one!

>>16807826
perfect, can you do also ine for the lewder version?

the right one? >>16804858

>>16808046
Glad to hear it.

>>16808124
Sure. Just a sec.

>>16808124
Here you go.
http://imgur.com/L3dtJIJ
I also made a comparison image that includes versions without any pasties.
http://imgur.com/SJLVZ8k

Is it just me that thinks that while Minagoroshi-hen is the weakest of the VN episodes it is the best arc of the manga adaptation?

>>16804751
Ryukishi gave me a fetish for the stomach with Dlanor. It's so weird.

>>16808861
It's you. The VN actually felt like the Child Services were holding back helping Satoko because they were incompetent and didn't know what to do. In the manga, you only get a somewhat unsettling smile from the Child Services representative after listening.

>>16808861
I preferred Tsumihoroboshi's manga.

>>16808887
Good taste. It's amazing how Ryukishi actually made his best work even better with the manga. The small little changes add a lot. And the ending of that arc for the manga was masterful.

>>16808915
Speaking of small changes, I really liked this little addition they made to the end of Onikakushi. Getting to see the reactions to Keiichi, Rena, and Mion's deaths adds a lot.

>>16808283
Pretty good, anon. Thanks.

>>16809218
You're welcome.

>>16808887
without context this one is very funny

>>16810164
Are you implying it becomes less funny with a context?

>>16810203
yeah

Fucking come on ryukishi! I fucking believe in you! Put the past in the past, buckle up and pull an insane rollercoaster from your ass even if it costs you your sanity. Anything less than that will not do this time. You don't just use up the WTC name and pull some generic crap. Make 07th expansion great again, fucking do it. God I wish I could channel my energy in his general direction or send him a dick image or something

Wow

>>16812430
Hey, you could always tweet some encouragement at the 07th twitter.

How many pages would Umineko do if it was a book ? Roughly ?

>>16814259
Ooph, we get this question from time to time. You can easily google it I think, but it's roughly three times The Lord of the Rings I think.

If Gohda can't lose in the kitchen, where can Hideyoshi not lose? All we really know about him is his love for Sengoku era trivia.

>>16815815
Hideyoshi can't lose in the bedroom

>>16815815
Rather than a domain of power, Hideyoshi has his magic hand capable of driving away colds and slapping witches.

>>16799009
The fact that Satoko is 11 is just mindblowing! She's such a perfect girl, but she's actually a dumbass kid! She has so much pride and personality, but she's just a dumb preteen human! Pathetic! Lewd! Embarrassing! How can she live with herself?

Is Maria a canon sperg? The Higurashi kids and the Higanbana kids are just a couple years older than her, but they feel a lot more mature.

>>16812430
Honestly, Higurashi and Umineko were so fucking good that it's a miracle that a single person managed to write both.

I wish he would create something like that again, but it seems unlikely. I don't want him to fail and lose my respect. If the next WTC manages to live up to Higurashi and Umineko... Man, that would be fucking crazy.

But more than anything else, I want more Higanbana. Or something similar to it.

>>16815970
Honestly it was already a miracle that Umineko managed to live up to Higurashi as much as it did.

>>16815946
>How can she live with herself?
She's had to learn to forgive herself.

>>16815953
Maria reminds me of those eccentric geniuses you always hear about. She's way too smart and insightful for someone her age, yet at the same time can't seem to grasp social norms. I wouldn't be surprised if she's meant to have some form of mental disorder.

I love the way Ryukishi's series' always reference themselves.

>>16815970
I love Higanbana. I don't love it as much as WTC, but there's something nostalgic about it... It captures the feeling of being a preteen kid perfectly. And the atmosphere is really fucking good, probably Ryukishi's best work in that sense. It's so heavy and oppressive. The art style fits perfectly with the dark setting. And the music is incredible once again.

It has a couple of god tier lolis too. You know who they are!

>>16815953
>>16816111
There's clearly something wrong with Maria, but it's also Rosa's fault for neglecting her. She acts like a 6 year old.

>>16805670
>>16805630
Don't get me wrong, but... Why are you even bothering with those ugly ass sprites instead of editing the original ones?

I don't know why, but I find Ryukishi's sprites (and only Ryukishi's) hot as fuck. Especially Jessica and Ange. It must be their facial expressions or something. It kills me to see all this wasted potential.

You don't seem to be adding pubes, though, so I'm not missing much. But still, what a waste.

Looks like the website's update isn't going to stay after all.

And someone noticed the background image it had was inverted.

>>16816196
There are a few reasons. For one thing, the lower resolution is troublesome to work with. For another, It feels less awkward lewding the pachinko sprites since I have less of an attachment to them. They also leave less to the imagination, making it easier to picture them nude. Last but not least, I'm not sure how well I'd be able to work with Ryukishi's artstyle. It's one thing to draw a generic female body, but intentionally trying to mimic something so stylized is more difficult than it seems.