/jp/ - Otaku Culture

corea invented prodigies

"From the beginning, Kim's life was distinguished by unusual physical and mental growth."

Sounds more like he simply grew up faster than other people.

>>1681686
How come I never hear of Japanese prodigies? Why is always Chinese and Korean prodigies?

>>1681669
Has he actually accomplished anything?
Most 'child' geniuses, while learning at an extreme rate, accomplish nothing new on terms of development and research.

You have to study lots.

>>1681691
Maybe because they've simply matured a little earlier than everyone else.

Geniuses are always depressed from the pressure. Prove me wrong.

I could still kick his ass.

>>1681691

He hasn't accomplished anything. He decided to study in a second-rate university even though all the great ones wanted him. Now he works as a professor.

>proficiency in African
wut

>>1681689
Japanese are inferior stock.

>>1681700
Most people who have contributed in their fields greatly, started doing so at university, without being hailed as geniuses before.

I guess maturing too fast has it's setbacks.

Koreans, natural-born overachievers.

>>1681688
>>1681691
yeah, growing up fast doesn't do shit if you stop growing after you reach maturity. you just become a smarter than average dude. there's a reason why they're called "prodigy" not genius.

>He was able to read in Japanese, Korean, German, and English by his first birthday.

Even if you're the smartest guy on earth, I have trouble believing this.

Most 1YO babies barely speak any words as it is, and even then it's not as if they understand what they mean.

Child prodigies were much more impressive 200 years ago. Now every third parent has a son who is a genius at mathematics, languages and can play the piano like the motherfucking fist of the north star. Because of the high supply of them, they're just no longer impressive.

>>1681741
Usually becauset he brain needs a long time to process stuff and understand the concept of language.
This guy worked about 6-7 times faster.

Actually it was a 10 year old (but very clever) child posing as a YONSAI

The only Korean child prodigies are StarCraft players.

coreans are smelly.

>>1681689
Japan used to had "World's Biggest Eater"...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/aug/21/highereducation.accesstouniversity

This guy got into Oxford at 14.

And he's in the facebook touhou group.

That kid is gonna die at 15.

>>1681779
>born March 7, 1963

>>1681787
Oh. So he is already dead?

>>1681714
Musicians are usually an exception to that. I rarely hear about great musicians who didn't start out really early. Mozart is a good example on how child prodigies should work, when losing his charm as a child who got some bitching harpichord skills, he want straight over to make significant contributions to western music traditions as a whole. Probably because Leopold wasn't a stupid Korean who thought it was enough to raise his child to just be someone who could impress people.

>>1681803
no it's the same, guess how many so called child prodigy that aww i can play listz at age 5 and vivaldi's four season at 6 ever ended up becoming a pro? the problem is people these day call any kid a prodigy if they can play a little but that's thanks to the advancement of the method of teaching.

a kid these day can do algebra at middle school unlike the kid farmer in 1600s not because they're smarter but better environment. same with all the so called child prodigy right now.

>>1681837
I believe it's for the most part parents pressuring the child into learning early. Of course, it is acceptable to strongly encourage children to develop themselves, but these parents just want to train a circus monkey they can show off to others. Pretty much any middle-class parent can do this nowadays, but as a result the child ends up having severe emotional problems. Beethoven, for example, despite his success as a composer resulting from the strict discipline he received early on, also suffered from chronic depression or some shit. Basically, if you want to raise your child to be a circus-monkey, the only real challenge is to accept the fact that you're treating him like a monkey.

>>1681803
Well duh, in terms of musicianship one has to actually learn to play the instrument. And that, no matter what kind of genius you are takes countless of hours of practice.

Even Paganini, who remains unmatched by any violinist so far spend practically his whole childhood and early adulthood just practicing to play the darn thing to accomplish his skill.

On the topic of virtuoso pianist children, is there even much solo piano composing going on today? All of what I listen to lately is piano works from the typical classical composers, but is anything new and good being created?

Hot damn. I wish I could speak African.

but the question remains, is he good at Starcraft?

>>1681912

I'm sure there is, but the problem is that it won't sell, so you'll never be able to find it.

>>1681946
I think that goes without saying.

>>1681912

nothing comparable to the classic composers.

Why aren't these fuckers taking over the world?

>>1681970
They are.

KEKEKE

corea make lies about prodigies. corea has habit of lying. if corea so smart, where are your nobel prizes? don't tell me Japan and China steal them.

>>1681965
Any names? I'm interested in what it might sound like since I think the most recent composers I listen to normally would be stuff like Satie and Debussy and even that's over a century old.

>>1681987
Nobel prize commission is all JEW! they try to give as much prizes to JEW controlled countries Japan, US and Britain as much as possible.

This guy is not special, all Korean children are like this.

>>1681912

Exactly, there hasn't been modern composer that can rival Beethoven or Mozart.

>>1681912
>>1681996

Geirr Tveitt - Piano Sonata No. 29 "Sonata Etere" (played by Kjell Bækkelund, legendary Norwegian pianist)
>http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GUT5T6VB

Geirr Tveitt - Piano Concertos (several albums: No. 1, 4, 5 and the double concerto)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QUCB2WDJ

So? any idiot with enough time can get a PHD nothing special, did he actually create anything? Thought so!

Korean = Fail
Japanese = Fail
Chinese = Fail

Test scores don't mean shit !

As someone labeled as a child prodigy in my earlier years, I feel I can safely say that it doesn't mean shit. At most, you're slightly more intelligent or artistic than the average person. Nothing can take the place of time and effort, which I unfortunately found out the hard way.

Oh, and the whole parents putting pressure on talented kids is pretty true. My batshit fundamentalist Christian folks started beating me and labeling me the "child of the devil" at around age 5 if I didn't play my hour of piano or brought back anything lower than a 96 in elementary school. The abuse made me socially awkward, which led to being bullied for being a pig disgusting Corean overachiever. I had a mental breakdown after my best friend left me in junior high, and as a result started slipping in grades and failing at life in general. Got into a shitty community college, barely pulled off getting semi-decent grades, and now live in a dirty, cramped apartment, wallowing in self pity at night.

If you ever have kids /jp/, please, don't beat them.

Sage for blog.

>>1682156
>So? any idiot with enough time can get a PHD nothing special,

phd != dissertation.

You need to approach something from a totally original angle if you want to do a phd.

I was very intelligent as a child.

And now I'm heading for an average-at-best grade degree at a third rate university!

>>1682176

Wow, you're an asian version of me. It's okay anon, we can find solace in our anonymous internet discussions.

>>1682176
0/10

>>1682176
>>1682198
GUESS WHAT!

Every parent tells their children that they are smart and gifted, your not special, ask anyone and they willt ell you that their parents said that they were smart

>>1682232
Maybe in Amerricuh they do. I was made clear from an early stage on that i was a piece of shit not worthy of anything, and quite honestly i couldnt agree more. Heck, im even browsing fucking /jp/ of all things.

>>1682232

Prodigy is different, generally. And some parents just tell their children that they are stupid and worthless.

>>1682232
GUESS WHAT! [sic]

"Your" an idiot! Clearly you were nothing special. That doesn't mean that all other posters are short bus candidates like you. I'm "profoundly gifted", for all that amounts to (just potential basically, which is why I'm as big a loser as you are). Quit raging over the fact that there are people smarter than you out there. Moran.

>>1682242
Haha no, I know a kid who is legally retarded and his mother praised him all the time.

>>1682243
Let me guess, when a girl says that you are cute that means that it is true too? Right?

>>1682247

Your anecdotal evidence is quite compelling. I am now utterly convinced that every child in the world has been raised the same way. I now look at Mozart in a new light. Thank you for enlightening me.

>>1682251
I'm not sure there are tests for cuteness, but certainly you can be tested to see how much stupids you have.

don't you just hate it when shitty tripfags and assorted anons got into a fit of rage trying to defend their meaningless arguments on a thread?

fucking niggers who don't know how to control their emotions and let themselves be sucked into this bout of shitposting.

All you're doing is just trying to one-up each other in a pissing contest. You can rate the quality of a poster by how much he commits himself to defending his internet "honor"

>>1682256
What I am saying is... people lie, girls will tell you that you are cute and refuse to go out with you.

>>1682271
but.... but.... someone is wrong on the internet....

>>1682271
Trolls trolling trolls, my friend. Trolls trolling trolls. I should hope nobody takes it seriously.

My fellow tripfriends, don't you love it when your opponent runs out of ideas and has to resort to the standard "hurr tripfag" straw man?

>>1682271

As much as I hate Jones, in this case the shitposter is you. And if you think this is rage, well, trollan.jpg.

>>1682272

Wow, people lie? That's brilliant insight, really.

>>1682288
>Wow, people lie? That's brilliant insight, really.

I was using people lying as an analogy of parents/officials lying when they tell their children that they are gifted, when really they are not.

>>1682302

Which, again, does nothing to prove that a given Anon was or was not bright as a child. It's one thing if he were claiming to be a brilliant, successful person today, but I see nothing far-fetched about his little story of child abuse and squandered potential. I expect it's rather common around here.

>>1682271
Holyshit someone who isn't a shit poster

>>1682232
No, I know that I was at least a little more intelligent than my classmates.

I put it down to playing Civilization II a lot in my early childhood

>>1682280
Trolling is a misnomer on 4chan.

What you are actually engaged in is called "flaming." You're not "trolling," this quite literally is a pissing contest. And to try to feign trolling brings back the whole LOL I TROL U image to mind.

> I should hope nobody takes it seriously.

In your heart of hearts, you know you are taking it seriously. You've invested so much of yourself into the argument that you can't really concede anything.

You people only call it trolling to save some face.

>>1682324
Yes but a lot of people go through their entire lives believing their far-fetched life story of child abuse and squandered potential, when really they had no potential to begin with.... I am willing to recant my statements if the poster of the child abuse story can show some evidence to prove his success as a child, however if he cannot then I will use Occam's Razor and take the more likely explanation that he was never gifted to begin with.

>>1682342
Playing civilization means your a prodigy right? Civilization is no more advanced than most games like Chess or Go. If you managed to win a couple of Go, Chess tournaments against adults then you are indeed a child prodigy. Otherwise you are just doing something meaningless.

>>1682371

I'm curious, how would you propose that someone proves they had wasted potential?

>>1682350
I can tell by your eloquence and powerful grasp of the English language that you're a man of formidable intelligence whose ideas and convictions are clearly deeply rooted in logic and fact, and deserve to be heralded as the towering pinnacle of thought in this debate.

>>1682387
Has the said prodigy actually accomplished anything amazing? unusual? spectacular? like defeating a FIDE 2200 with little to no experience?

>>1682389

Did I accidentally wind up in that insani thread?

>>1682350
So you're saying you actually take half-assed internet debates like these -- call it a flamewar, trollfest, shitstorm, whatever -- to heart? It matters to you what some illiterate basement dweller thinks about you? Not sure if serious.jpg.

This is the part where you get to post the LOL I TROL YOU image.

>>1682350
I had consentual sex in the missionary position with your mother last night.

(am I trolling correctly now? Sorry I am kind of new at this.)

>>1682433
>This is the part where you get to post the LOL I TROL YOU image.

More like DIGGINGDEEPERHOLES.jpg

>>1682449
...

Pretty great how a thread about an intellectual prodigy has devolved into troll mode.

>>1682450
I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that image.

>>1682449
Close. The objective is to arouse frustration and/or irritation in your victims. All you're arousing is disgust.

>>1682176
Well, this is true. I score 162 in mensa test as a kid and my parents really thought I was some super-genius because I could solve couple of trivial problems fastly for my age.

The expectation thing is shit and it gets even worse when they start giving you the guild trip about everything you do because you succeeded as a test as a child.

Should I like perform a magic trick now that you've decided to compensate you own failurous life within mine, yes?

>>1682455
>Pretty great how a thread about an intellectual prodigy has devolved into a flamewar.

someone needed to say this, let's get real

>>1682462
I can tell by your eloquence and powerful grasp of the English language that you're a man of formidable intelligence whose ideas and convictions are clearly deeply rooted in logic and fact, and deserve to be heralded as the towering pinnacle of thought in this debate.

>>1682383
I know that knowing how to play it isn't a sign of intelligence.

However, I did know what aqueducts, coliseums and monarchies were by around age 8. I also have a vague idea as to what communism was.

A few years later I asked my father why currency just wasn't abolished, I remember.

Even now in my final year year of university at 21 years old, I'm the only one in my class (translation, but what the hell!) who knows what Stockholm syndrome, the 1970s oil crisis. I can remember obscure words in the languages I'm studying. My memory is good for remembering useless crap.

>>1682455

Uh, it was posted as a troll thread. It has nothing to do with /jp/, the point is that it's about a KOREAN prodigy.

>>1682455
Just like every off-topic thread here does.
AMAZING

>>1682472
>>1682469
Haha yeah that's true I guess. It sort of came full circle. Troll thread turning into legitimate discussion turning into troll thread.

>>1682472
Just like every thread jones and athens post on does.
AMAZING

>>1682465
So a student who reads the newspaper everyday is more intelligent than his classmates because he knows some facts that the other students have no interest in....

>>1682462
Is there a gibberish translator in the house? I can't make head nor nail of that uber-babble you flung onto the screen during your latest spasmodic seizure. How about putting that into proper syntax, form, and grammar so that I can at least understand what you are saying before I dismiss it?

>>1682478
I think the word you were looking for was "knowledgeable". Yes.

it's nice when people say whatever they haev to say and just leave and not cling on to it like a their lives depended on it

>>1682478
If they can understand what's in the newspaper, yes

>>1682498
>just leave
as if you have anything better to do tonight, either

>>1682487
>I know that knowing how to play it isn't a sign of intelligence.

>However, I did know what aqueducts, coliseums and monarchies were by around age 8. I also have a vague idea as to what communism was.

I only used intelligence because 1682465 claimed that being more knowledgeable proved that he was more intelligent than the other students.

>>1682498
>cling on to it like a their lives depended on it

We are not clinging, a legitimate discussion is actually occurring in this thread.

>>1682505
How else is intelligence assessed in primary school

>>1682519
Assuming that primary school is the Eurofag equivalent of elementary school (grades 0-5), there are always IQ tests. Of course gross imprecision is to be expected, but smart people will score higher than less smart people.

>>1682465
>>However, I did know what aqueducts, coliseums and monarchies were by around age 8

I was playing Jeopardy when I was 8, and winning.
Doesn't really mean much, look where we are now.

None of you can speak african all your points are invalid

>>1682550
Does Afrikaans count? ;)

>>1682536
You get IQ tested in American schools?

>>1682465
>>1682537

Has anyone else completely shifted from legitimate real world knowledge to more fictional things? When I was young I used to love reading about space and biology and such (basic things for kids I guess, but I would go more into things than the average person) but at some point there was this huge shift and I read nothing but fiction now and don't really care to look into the real world for whatever reason.

Oddly enough it also seems like I like doing on my free time whatever school isn't currently teaching me.

>>1682558
The joke is theirs no such thing as African.

>>1682519
Intelligence testing is murky, but how can a test based on unevenly distributed knowledge be considered fair? A better test would be if the students were offered an incentive to learn a set amount of materials then tested to see how much knowledge retention occurred.

>>1682560
If you display far above the standard learning curve, the teachers tell the principal who tells your parents and they can choose to have you tested, yeah. That's what happened to me, anyway.

>>1682560

Sometimes. My elementary school had a "gifted" program so I was dragged off to some Board of Education building when I was like 4 to get IQ tested by some really ugly lady.

>>1682565
It's because you want an escape from reality.

>>1682570
And you can speak Afrikaans?

>>1682569
If you're going to post, at least double check for spelling.

Or you could always go back to whichever shit-hole you came from.

>>1682578
I know, like, five words. It was a bluff.

>>1682570
Did you go to a public school?

>>1682588
Yup.

>>1682467
Well, as you surely understand, I'm completely self-taught in terms of english.

Not that I'm such a brainiac when it comes to learning languages in general. Even my overall grades were barely above average before I dropped out.

You see, IQ on it's own does not really mean anything for success.

>>1682565
It's like another me exists in the world.

So how many languages can you speak?

Is multilingualism a sign of intelligence?

In b4 ISM accusations

>>1682573
ITT Psych 101.

The only reasonable and most accurate form of intelligence test is one that is culture-fair and not knowledge-based. Most accurate IQ tests use Raven's progressive matrices, which is probably the best indicator for what psychologists like to call "g", or the 'general intelligence factor'. You can find a test like this here: www.iqtest.dk, inb4 a bunch of screenshots.

Terence Tao
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao

Tao exhibited extraordinary mathematical abilities from an early age, attending university level mathematics courses at the age of nine. He is one of only two children in the history of the Johns Hopkins' Study of Exceptional Talent program to have achieved a score of 700 or greater on the SAT math section while just 8 years old (he scored a 760).[9] In 1986, 1987, and 1988, Tao was the youngest participant to date in the International Mathematical Olympiad, first competing at the age of ten, winning a bronze, silver, and gold medal respectively. He won the gold medal when he just turned thirteen and remains the youngest gold medallist in the tournament's history. At age 14, Tao attended the Research Science Institute. He received his bachelor's and master's degrees (at the age of 17) from Flinders University under Garth Gaudry. In 1992 he won a Fulbright Scholarship to undertake postgraduate study in the United States. From 1992 to 1996, Tao was a graduate student at Princeton University under the direction of Elias Stein, receiving his Ph.D. at the age of 20.[10] He joined the faculty at the University of California, Los Angeles in 1996.

>>1682594
I'm wondering if it's common amongst a specific type of person or it just depends on the individual. I entered University to get a general BA so I could get a specific Masters so for my BA I was like "yeah I love history, why not" and within a year I came to hate it and now am taking literature also, which I love compared to every history course I take which I despise.

>>1682595
>So how many languages can you speak?

How are you measuring fluency?

>>1682606
About to graduate with a bachelors in foreign languages. I can learn languages, but I don't like doing it.

Although, really, everything in my daily life has become unimaginably worthless and boring, so that's more an overall state of my existence rather than just what I chose as my degree study.

>>1682565
Actually I have only found that my interests have shifted, I was more interested in TV shows + Cartoons when I was a child, now I am mostly interested in visual novels and explosives and the history of explosives.

anyone here ever heard of infant Amnesia... its basically a proven psychological condition that ALL humans suffer... after about 2yrs, you forget everything, and restart, except for basic motor skills.

NOBODY CAN LEARN TO READ IN ONE YEAR FO LIFE!!!

anyone that believes this shit deservesd a seat on the shortbus. period.

>>1682604
The test I proposed is not knowledge based because knowledge accumulated before the test should have little or no impact.

>>1682608
Let's say "I know 'watashi wa name desu' ^__^" isn't fluent

>>1682624
LIES I REMBEMER THE DAY I WAS BORN!!! xD

>>1682624
Keep typing. Maybe, someday, you'll randomly type something semi-intelligent. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself on the Internet. If you knew what you're talking about, you'd be dangerous. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong.

>>1682626

Then you'd be testing working memory, but not logical reasoning.

So what kind of work can people with a vast amount of knowledge expect to do

>>1682638
>quotes
>cliches

>>1682644
Work in a warehouse.

>>1682639
But the proposed test was a response to

"How else is intelligence assessed in primary school"

In no way did I claim that my proposed test was absolute, I just stated the most common way that intelligence is tested in primary school. I am in no way a supporter of the above method and thus you should not expect me to defend it.

>>1682630
Fine, so what is fluency then?

>>1682646
>butthurt

>>1682650
Language fluency is used informally to denote broadly a high level of language proficiency, most typically foreign language or another learned language, and more narrowly to denote fluid language use, as opposed to slow, halting use. In this narrow sense, fluency is necessary but not sufficient for language proficiency: fluent language users (particularly uneducated native speakers) may have narrow vocabularies, limited discourse strategies, and inaccurate word use, and may be illiterate.

In the sense of proficiency, "fluency" encompasses a number of related but separable skills:

* Reading: the ability to easily read and understand texts written in the language;
* Writing: the ability to formulate written texts in the language;
* Comprehension: the ability to follow and understand speech in the language;
* Speaking: the ability to speak in the language and be understood by its speakers.

To some extent, these skills can be separately acquired. Generally, the later in life a learner approaches the study of a foreign language, the harder it is to acquire auditory comprehension and fluent speaking skills – however, the Critical Period Hypothesis is hotly debated. Reading and writing a foreign language are skills that can be acquired more easily after the primary language acquisition period of youth is over, however.

>>1682658
By the way, no utf; didn't work, but unsetting the utf-8 flag of the string with String::SetUTF worked. Thanks for the help.

But I'm just going to go through the disassembly and rewrite the algorithms anyway, since a) I don't want it to be Windows only and b) it crashes perl every once in a while because the dll I'm calling had its anus seriously haxed, so it's probably fucking with registers or corrupting memory somewhere.

>>1681669
Picture not related.

As if A's determine anything.
Not anymore, anyway.

>>1682650
The usual?

Ability to carry a conversation, ability to survive in said country, etc.

>>1682663
A's determine how well you know the subject (in math + science). They are not meaningless.

>>1682604
lololololol

If you believe the IQ test is a good marker for intelligence, then you believe that black people are stupider than everyone else.

>>1682717
And so the thread enters god tier trolling.

>>1682683
It's only a judge of determination to do well.

All anyone cares about these days are numbers. I don't think anyone wants to actually learn.

And the types that only care about getting A's are the ones that don't learn.
In that sense, it doesn't mean anything.
If the ones who actually care for the subject and the ones that are doing well just to get the grade are getting the same averages, it's no judge of intelligence at all.

>>1682717

That's a given. Show me someone who doesn't believe that and I'll show you an idiot.

>>1682570
I was the opposite, I flunked so hard and so fast that they had to have me tested. Turns out I wasn't a retard, just really really lazy average guy.

how to troll /jp/

talk about korea
talk about iq
talk about women

>>1682732
>>1682717
Lets not generalize things here. Just because most blacks don't score well on IQ tests, doesn't mean you can go around recklessly calling every black person you see stupid.

in b4 racism.

>>1682727
It's very rage inducing to see people more intelligent than yourself and even others you know who are intelligent not scoring as well.

But in my opinion, you simply need to learn to play the system, that's how I feel at least.

Learn how to pass exams, learn to memorize, there will be time for enjoying your course at university.

>>1682717

Black people are generally stupid, but even they can produce some gems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_James_Gates
Also, awesome fro is awesome.

>>1682762

Not every single one of them is irredeemably stupid, just almost all of them. There's always an exception or two.

>>1682727
>It's only a judge of determination to do well.

Does the determination to do well not show intelligence?

The marshmallow experiment is a famous test of this concept conducted by Walter Mischel at Stanford University and discussed by Daniel Goleman in his popular work. In the 1960s a group of four-year olds were tested by being given a marshmallow and promised another, only if they could wait 20 minutes before eating the first one. Some children could wait and others could not. The researchers then followed the progress of each child into adolescence, and demonstrated that those with the ability to wait were better adjusted and more dependable (determined via surveys of their parents and teachers), and scored an average of 210 points higher on the Scholastic Aptitude Test.

Thus the students that are more determined to do better realize that by delaying their gratification (by studying instead of playing video games) they will gain a better payoff in the future by making more money thus having to work less in the future and spend more time playing video games.

>>1682759
Pretty much.
>>1682565
The same thing happened to me.

>>1682782
Judging the virtue of patience in young children isn't necessarily the same as the 'determination to do well'

I've literally zero motivation to do university work, I just do it out of necessity. I'm not saying i'm a genius and I don't do too bad at school, but there are a ton of people who do a lot better than me simply because they can focus on mundane assignments and memorize things better.

>>1682777
But how do you know that they are stupid? Can you explain why black students have a tendency to succeed in all black university's.

>>1682782

>Thus the students that are more determined to do better realize that by delaying their gratification (by studying instead of playing video games) they will gain a better payoff in the future by making more money thus having to work less in the future and spend more time playing video games.

So figuring out a way to never work and only play video games must make me a fucking genius. Fuck yeah marshmallow test.

>>1682796

>But how do you know that they are stupid?

Because I live in a city and unfortunately they are all around me.

>Can you explain why black students have a tendency to succeed

They don't.

>>1682793
But is schooling not similar to the marshmallow experiment?

You are forcing kids to do something they don't want to do and promising a reward in the future. The students who are unable to exercise self control tend to study less and slack off more on assignments.

>>1682803
>So figuring out a way to never work

Please explain how you manage to pay for your shelter, clothing, electricity and video games? without working?

>>1682813
This is true, but like I said, this isn't a determination of intelligence. No doubt the determination to do well WILL lead to doing better in school, but that doesn't mean the people who lack this determination are unintelligent. If your priority in the future is something other than getting a job with as high an income as possible, the determination to do well isn't necessarily the best bet.

>>1682807
>They don't.

>black students have a tendency to succeed in all black university's.

Google is your friend, how about using it before running your mouth?

>>1682818
>this isn't a determination of intelligence

The researchers then followed the progress of each child into adolescence, and demonstrated that those with the ability to wait were better adjusted and more dependable (determined via surveys of their parents and teachers), and scored an average of 210 points higher on the Scholastic Aptitude Test.

>>1682822

If I donate to the NAACP will you go away?

>>1682822
Wait, the onus is on you to prove the assertion. You never provided any empirical evidence.

And your original assertion is fucking odd anyway, all black universities tend to be quite shitty generally, from what I've heard.

http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf
took this in ten minutes just for kicks.

in b4 hurr and durr

>>1682837
From Freakanomics (great read, Would recommend)

1) In the 1970s going to a historically Black institution was associated with higher wages and higher graduation rates than going to a traditionally White institution.

2) By the 1990s, however, the return to graduating from a historically Black institution fell by 20% relative to a traditionally White school, so that in the 1990s there was a premium associated with going to the traditionally White school.

3) The answer to that reversal does not appear to be due to a change in the mix of students attending the two types of schools, or to differences in expenditure per student.

4) Rather, it appears that the traditionally White institutions have evolved to better serve the needs of Black students.

>>1682832
Like I said again, if they are studying more and doing more schoolwork, why would it be surprising that they score better on a test containing things you have to study for? If you think the SATs are a determination of intelligence than that's fine.

>>1682813
Then what of artists?
I don't care about grades, but I love learning.
I'll only get anywhere in the art world if I improve my skill.
Grades are not a factor in this.

The marshmallow test applies to this sort of endeavor as well, which you've failed to recognize.

>>1682859

>Rather, it appears that the traditionally White institutions have evolved to better serve the needs of Black students.

Basketball courts and remedial classes?

Run this by me, how does looking at shapes judge intelligence

Also, how does one define intelligence?

It is apparently different to knowledge and learnedness.

>>1682859
>1) In the 1970s going to a historically Black institution was associated with higher wages and higher graduation rates than going to a traditionally White institution.

For blacks you mean.

>Freakanomics

Read some real economics books for fuck sake.

>>1682864

I care about and practice at video games, yet I'm as terrible at StarCraft and fightan games as I ever was. Actually myself from 17 years ago could probably kick my ass at Street Fighter II.

I guess that just proves I'm retarded, though.

>>1682871
It's pattern recognition, i e deductive reasoning.

>>1682887
And being good at this means what exactly

>>1682871
The general basis of intelligence is associations and distinctions. How quickly we can understand a concept is usually a sign of how intelligent we are, rather than how much information we have accumulated.

A normal person can remember a mathematical formula. A learned person can apply it as instructions prescribe it to be used.

An intelligent person can derive new uses for that formula, or apply the basis/grasp of the formula in understanding concepts related to it or the group to which it belongs to.

So, a learned person knows a lot of things. An intelligent person can create solutions from that information which may involve utilizing many ideas in unison to create a joint answer/plan of action.

>>1682176 here, just came back from eating downtown. This thread has taken a turn for the worse, to say the least. First off, I'd like to point out that I never claimed to be a prodigy/genius you dumb fucks, the most I said was that I was "labeled as a child prodigy in my earlier years." Whether or not I was more gifted than your average joe is missing the point anyways, my post was about the pressure I received an early age due to being seen as such. To make my story seem more credible though, I'll link you to a post I made yesterday regarding my childhood. I'm the guy who posts Hisui in the ronery threads, by the way.

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/cgi-board.pl/thread/1674943

And since I'm bored, I'll pull some obviously fabricated balderdash out of my ass to defend myself on an anonymous board. Not that it would prove shit, but I don't have anything better to do.

So people who are just learned are confined to being historians or people working in libraries, while those of higher "intelligence" lord over us all.

Like the outer party members in 1984.

>>1682915

Woops, messed up the top portion. Anyways...

I took a couple of IQ tests when I was younger, mine was estimated to have been around 130. This alone doesn't mean much, but it corroborated with the standardized tests I took, I was always in the top percentile in my school and scored around a 1500 on the SAT in 7th grade. My tutors raved about me to my parents about my supposed genius while my "dense" younger brother was ridiculed and given an inferiority complex that he never got over.

I read a good amount of philosophy and literature at an early age, finished The Pilgrim's Progress in 5th and was enamored with Kant in 7th. However, I spent most of high school getting shit-faced and high with a stoner friend while ranting on about existentialism, didn't accomplish much during those years besides improve my Go rank to around 2 kyu, which is probably the proudest achievement in my life.

Musically speaking, I played piano at my church since I was 15, though I was more interested in jazz. I could improvise over Giant Steps when I was 12 and acquired a taste for Ornette Coleman, despite my parents admonishing me for playing "devil's music." I also was fairly proficient at the clarinet and guitar, the latter I played in the high school band.

Despite all this though, I don't really see myself as much more "talented" than anybody else. Most of my early accomplishments I chalk up to early development, and there's plenty of "normal" people who are brighter than me. Besides, how the hell do you define something as nebulous as intelligence?

>>1682894
Logic. Putting two and two together. Learning.

Recognizing patterns is the basis on which we learn anything, so someone who is better at it will learn faster than other people.

And tests are not the end all of analysis. Your performance on an examination has as much to do with your emotional/biological synchronicity as it does your actual reasoning capability.

The most intelligent person in the world could, when confronted with a problem, simply be unable to solve it, no matter how simple, merely because they are emotionally unstable at the moment. Later, they could solve the same problem in a second.

A test you take right now may show you as being average in I.Q., but if you took the same test tomorrow you might score much better.

>>1682915
You! I felt so sorry for you when you posted about the lovely Hisui yesterday. ;_;

>>1682924
What about someone who can parrot what they've learned or at least some of what they learned with little effort?

>>1682929
Savants can do that, but they're considered functionally retarded, depending on how bad they are.

What's a Savant

>>1682915

>I'm the guy who posts Hisui in the ronery threads, by the way.

fffffffffff your post the other day made me feel sad.

>>1682922
>enamored with Kant

>>1682937
>>1682929

This.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k2T45r5G3kA

>>1682937
http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/

>>1682943

Ah, bad word choice. More like obsessed with.

>>1682929
I guess there are two scenarios. Either you're simply making connections faster than others (in which case you actually understand what you're parroting -- this is me) or you're some kind of autist, in which case you make connections in a different way than other people.
I feel really sorry for you if you're in the second category. Somebody linked an IQ test earlier (http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf)), take it. It's timed for up to 40 minutes, but I finished in ten, so take that for what you will.

>>1682922

What the hell, I was just listening to Giant Steps. Dammit anon, GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

>>1682955
Ah, got slowpoked by White Ren.
Well, my post was more complete and informative, so there!

>>1682964
I would consider the true test of intelligence not just deductive reasoning, but also its application. If you cannot realize the fruits of your own reasoning, then it's hardly proof of intelligence on your part.

It's just your mind, all alone in your head.

>>1682955
I can understand what I parroted, usually.

I did that test and am the guy who got 102 earlier.

Maybe I am a bit on the autistic side.

I should probably get a psychiatric examination or something.

Or kill myself!

>>1681741
You sir, are an idiot. I was able to use complex mechanical devices at 6 mo (can opener) and I was reading at 8 mo. In 5th grade I was given an I.Q. test by a state psychologist and had results come back for an I.Q. of 195.

>>1683184
Are you by any chance from the great state of Louisiana?

Ok, this one is bugging me. Any ideas?

Also, usually iq test have a part about about vocabulary, cultural references, etc. So this one isn't really significant.

>>1683410
E.