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Why would anyone want to have Zounose as his favourite artist?

>>16771322
Why don't you suck my dick?

>>16771322
Is this can be still considered trolling?

>>16771328
And here I thought I actually might get a serious answer. Shame.

>>16771349
Why would you expect a serious answer if you formulate your question like this?

>>16771359
Considering nature of his works. Zounose is a pretty controversial artist here. Combined that with the fact that people like you are always around him it's really not that confusing.

>>16771397
So, the way he writes a storyboard makes him less of a skilled artist?
Guess /jp/ still can't get over the sight of a Sakuya with chopped off legs.

>>16771411
Don't get me wrong. His artistic skill are impressive. I like it too but it's not like he's the only skilled Touhou artist. Sakuya's chopped legs isn't the problem. The reason and plot behind is.

>>16771143
How did you meet them?

>>16771411
nobody say he is not a good artist, though is style might be repulsive to some people, without even going into the gore stuff. It's quite a weird style
as for the story, it's not the gore that pause problem, but more how sometimes it seems that the story is only here to justify some gruesome/dark stuff. It feel forced. Plus some people think he didn't get some characters right
Personally, i'd say he is fine, his later works tone done the blood-bullshit, and the stories flows better.
my favorite ones are fishing bowl, nice metaphore about gensokyo, and heavy rain, simply because this time there wasn't actually any plot, just a natural catastrophe (so no character butchering).
i also like pic related in one of his latest manga, make me laugh

What circumstances caused this

>>16771473
>>16771505
I for one have no problem with his stories.
His style is very unique and refreshing. I can't describe it very well, it's just very pleasing for my eyes.

>>16771483
I met him at a convention today.
Didn't even know he was supposed to be there until I stumbled into his stall.
Bought every doujin, the manga that >>16771505 posted and a calendar.
Even signed the calendar for me.

>>16771322
Regardless of his edginess he is an amazing artist.

I don't like the way he draws some faces, especially Seija's.

The only thing I don't like is his Suwako, yeah she is a curse goddess but she seems needlessly grim

I don't mind most of his content otherwise though. Even the human sacrifice stuff seems ok. I'd probably mind his stuff a lot more if he was killing canon 2hus but using nameless faceless people as a vehicle for his stories is fine by me.

I like when he muses on the status of Gensokyo and its inhabitants. Fish Bowl is hands down his best story.

Zounose has become very mainstream among Touhou fanbooks, but it can't be denied that he has a very own style to tell his stories, try not to break much the canon line between characters and Touhou universe, and in itself is a very good writter, deals very well the most of characters and tries to give a satisfactory conclusion to what he poses in each of his works, have a cool dark interpretation of Touhou world and is one of the best Touhou artist.

>>16771548
Did you tell him he's a cool guy and baka gaijin like his works?

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>>16774415
People have a problem with this artist? This is fantastic!

>>16771840
Why do you imply that I'm not japanese?

Zounose's work all follow the same premise: yokai are not human. They take the forms of humans, but do not have goals or morals that are human or even necessarily understandable by humans. The stories are taken to extremes, but extremes that make sense within the yokai premise.

My favorite Zounose work that exemplifies this is the Sanae godhood one. Sanae is divine, but also human. If she wishes to become a god and an equal with Kanako and Susalo, she must act like one. So she accepts the human sacrifice even though her heart hurts for the child.

If you just look at the surface and come away with omg Sanae ate a piece of a child so edgy then you're missing the idea, which is exploring what it means to live in a work where modern sensibilities have no place, and can't have a place.

>>16774470
I think that's a sensible way to put it. Though, I feel that some portrayals could have been done better. The pickled leg one for the SDM book really bothered me. It's been years since I read it, but I couldn't take the work seriously at all because of the plot.

The only work I've ever really liked from Zounose was the one where Marisa started associating her mother with Byakuren. I thought that was bittersweet and really inspiring.

Also, I would like to see him do a Rinnosuke work, exploring his nature as both human and youkai. Though, I actually stopped reading his works for a long time because I didn't really enjoy most of them.

>>16774470
The Sanae one is the only one I have a real problem with, primarily because it was a villager that was eaten, which isn't canon at all. If it was not a villager it would have been much better.

>>16771411
But his stories are all ass. A pity he's got such a boner for GRIM DARK.

Wasting all that talent with shitty art.

>>16771692
But his stuff is about as wrong about Gensokyo that it's closer to KKHTA than actual Gensokyo.

>>16774470
I guess he's never actually played Touhou or read the official print works as his stuff is so flat out WRONG that it's a joke

>>16771692
>try not to break much the canon line between characters and Touhou universe
The hell?

>>16775183
I think it's copy pasta at this point.

>>16771572
His Suwako is actually one of the things I like the most about his works and I don't like how he resorts to generic Mc Faceless guys for his plots. It just feels cheap. In Kaminare, everyone "accepts" the boy's death. But what if that had been Marisa? I doubt Reimu would have been so lenient. But yeah, his stories about Gensokyo's way of life and being like Goldfish Bowl are the best. One that doesn't get talked about too much is Higan's Camelia: I personally liked it a lot and found the AkyuuxKomachi believable.
>>16774470
The problem with Kaminare is that 1-those were gods, not youkai; 2-I don't think the Barrier affects something like entire rituals; 3-who cares if they don't follow it? It would just disappear from Gensokyo (assuming a ritual can pass through the Border in first place) and this wouldn't cause problems, since many gods and youkai aren't believed/feared in Gensokyo anymore; 5-the thing about "It's ok if it's a generic orphan", who nonetheless wanted to contribute to society.

>>16771143
Harukawa Moe

>>16771143

>>16777659
> 5-the thing about "It's ok if it's a generic orphan", who nonetheless wanted to contribute to society.
Except not. Every character in that book with a face hated that this was being done. They went along with it because reasons, but they were absolutely not "ok" with it.

>>16784150
Suwako didn't

>>16784150
Actually, nevermind, this isn't true. Reimu doesn't seem to care to much, neither does Marisa, Aya only shows up in one panel...well, all the faced characters with lines express some sort of disapproval, let's go with that.

Man, you know what Zounouse needs to do? An Aya book. She's a regular sight in his stories, and usually a pretty good one, but has never gotten a book all her own.

>>16786226
Some people did express disdain, like Keine. My problem is that you can disapprove in your heart all you want, but actions speak louder than words. No amount of grief and remorse brings back the dead.
...actually, that doujin left me with a very bad impression about Keine. I know it's non-canon and I knew what kind of author I was reading, but I expected at least her to ACT differently.
Also, for some reason, Kanako is always a pushover in these stories.

>>16786261
Shut up and eat the dead kid, Sanae.

>>16786261
Then your impression of Keine was likely one built mostly on doujins and fan interpretations where she's some kind of loving mother figure of a popular school with all the kids of the village. Her school is unpopular. She walks the Gensokyo over all line very hard like Akyuu and Yukari. She knows it sucks because she favors humans over youkai but she is aware of the balance and is not going to go against the wishes of BOTH the village elders and the mountain tengu to just save one person. Her raising issues with it but being unable to act personally are exactly in line with what she would do. She's a lot more concerned with the kid than pretty much everyone but Sanae anyway.

People went along with it even though it's unsavory because it's a holy ritual for the tengu and the village isn't going to risk offending them when the balance is delicate. It sucks because its a life being lost, which is what Sanae's whole focus was, but it was their choice.

Gensokyo is not like the world we live in. They play by different rules and different things are valued.

>>16786452
As I said before, which balance? Does Kanako endanger Gensokyo when she introduces a nuclear energy reactor and claims she wants to be a technology goddess? No. Not to mention, she didn't have any problems with clashing against the tengu for the ropeway. This "Can't do anything because something TERRIBLE happens and destroys the balance" just feels forced. Same logic applies to the whole premise about this ritual finding its way to Gensokyo.

Keine isn't comparable to Yukari at all. Yukari is one of the sages of all Gensokyo, Keine runs a school. If she "loves humans and always tries to help them" (IN profile, mind you), you'd think she'd do more, especially when it comes to her own pupils.
Also, you sound like an anon who assumed I didn't like Zonouse's Byakuren because of fanon interpretation.

>>16786588
The balance is between the human village and the youkai, not Moriya and the Tengu. It's a Tengu ritual. Even if Moriya didn't follow the ritual, the Tengu would still do it. This is just the first time it's happened since Moriya Shrine came to Gensokyo.

Keine is on the "human side" but professes in BAiJR that youkai are essential and humans wishing to do away with them are misguided, and the give-and-take must be maintained.

What more do you want Keine to do? She argues for her student at the council and is shot down by the village elders. Particularly because they would have just picked someone else. Do you want her to fight the village and the mountain tengu over one child? That's preposterous.

>>16786588
also I have no idea what you're talking about with arguing with someone else over Byakuren

you're free to dislike a story, it's pretty grim and nothing in actual touhou is as dark as the human sacrifice. it's certainly not his best work. but your complaints about Keine in the story are bizarre since she's acting fairly close to what she actually has the capability to do.

>>16786645
>>16786676
Kanako initially says that they're the outsiders and the tengu are the true owners of the mountain, only to reveal she doesn't actually believe that (as in canon). This would have been a good opportunity to show them who is in charge of the mountain.
Also, Keine at a certain point, even among all those tears, says she approves of this ritual. I found this quite disrespectful to the life of the child. If you truly care about him, at least say that you don't like the situation but you're forced to do so, don't just flat out say that the villagers are right.

Forget about the Byakuren thing, the phrasing led me to think you were another anon I was talking with about Zonouse in that "Do you like happy or grimdark Touhou" thread, but I was mistaken.