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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>16682635

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね!!!

>> No.16700655
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16700655

So I ended up getting my hands on this thing.
Problem is, I have no idea what to use this for.

>> No.16700669

>>16700655
>Problem is, I have no idea what to use this for.
how humble of you

>> No.16700674

>>16700655
>Problem is, I have no idea what to use this for.

You should post more pictures of it. Several hundred preferably, from every angle and in different lighting configurations.

>> No.16700691

>>16700655
おにいちゃんそれ

ぼうすい?

>> No.16700703

>>16700655
Where from and how much? Amazon (us/jp) has them at $300+ all second hand.

>> No.16700714
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16700714

You can add this to the "easy VNs"-lists. It's no masterpiece, but it was really easy to understand

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>>16700714
>It's no masterpiece
Sorry our high quality VN charts only take the finest VNs, we don't settle for lesser works of literature.

>> No.16700731

>>16699910
I'm only halfway through my first VN and I still find DOJG inadequate sometimes. For example, it doesn't explain how the sentence ending わ particle can also sometimes be used in male speech without sounding effeminate.

>> No.16700737

>>16700703
In my grandma's closet, forgotten by my cousin who went to Japan for a few years, I don't think she even properly used it herself.

>> No.16700758

>>16700714
It and a million others. There is no reason to add another 3/10 game.

>> No.16700783
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16700783

Finished this game a while ago; it's pretty good and fairly easy to read

4giv, can't find a better image
name is Hoshizora e kakaru hashi

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彼は顔をじゃぶじゃぶ洗ったの。
He washed his face vigorously.

彼は顔をジャブジャブで洗ったの。
He washed his face at Jabu-Jabu's.

>> No.16700897

>>16700724
Is this a joke list? Since I actually started reading Flyable Heart and it sucks ass.
I know VNs are really good for learning japanese, but damn a lot of them are trash.

>> No.16700907

>>16700897
You'll never learn Japanese if you can't fully enjoy with heart and soul what most people on the planet would deem as trash.

>> No.16700912

>>16700897
There is as much "trash" in them as in every other medium.
But yes, every single chart that gets posted in /djt/ is to troll newbies, pretty much. It's best you go on erogamescape, sort by rating and pick what looks interesting to you personally.

Alternatively go down this list to find good titles
https://vndb.org/u12472/votes?c=all;o=d;s=vote
Avoid stuff at 9+ until you're better.

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>>16700912
>But yes, every single chart that gets posted in /djt/ is to troll newbies, pretty much.
ive been had

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>> No.16700928
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>>16700926

>> No.16701005
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>>16700922
have no fear, this one is sincere

>> No.16701008
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>>16700897
Flyable Heart is one of the only VNs on that list that isn't awful.

>> No.16701032

>>16700922
>Her atmosphere really makes him think....
Hmmm

>> No.16701037
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>>16700922
Fixed that chart for you. No need to thank me.

>> No.16701044

>>16701037
plot =! longer sentences
also a lot of those are poop

>> No.16701045

>>16701037
where's monobueno?

>> No.16701046

>>16701044
"plot" games don't necessarily have long sentences in general but if you do a direct comparison to a moe style game you'll ~usually~ find a higher density of long lines

>> No.16701049

>>16701044
The only obvious "poop" game on there is hanahira, the rest of them are relatively popular and well-liked. In fact there are several kamige down both sides of the list.

>> No.16701060
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>>16700877
かおは

ジャブじゃなくって

ビオレであらうよ

>> No.16701068

>>16700731
When わ isn't feminine it feels like youthfulness instead.

>> No.16701072

ive been following this playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsrakMT1h2g&list=PLOcym2c7xnBwRNLWXOAtlN-9dbLkctxV-&index=1

"Japanese from Zero"

is it good or shit? so far i like it

>> No.16701075

>>16701072
Japanese From Zero contains some bad learning methods but watching it won't do you any harm as long as you treat it with skepticism and expose yourself to additional material. If you're into videos, I recommend Let's Learn Japanese I & II, aka Yan and the Japanese People, which is basically fantastic, but old. You can get a vhsrip of it on rutracker via google.

>> No.16701082

>>16701072
N1には3万だったとおもうよ

1万はひかえめ?

>> No.16701087

>>16701075
thx, im almost done with the playlist but theres still a lot i dont get, ill go watch the series you mentioned afterwards

>>16701082
i totally understand

>> No.16701102

>>16701072
さいごのとこ

>when stack!

いいことをいうおにいちゃんだね

>> No.16701103

>>16700877
>を
that only takes the verb

>> No.16701114

My friend has a Mac and I don't know shit about Macs. I sent up the Rikai import function for him with Firefox and all for him to mine words but since we couldn't locate the collection.media folder he can't mine words with their audios, which is a little annoying since he'd like to have them.

Does anyone know how to locate it or how does that even work on Mac please?

>> No.16701118

>>16701060
贅沢だね

>> No.16701122

>>16700922
>>16701005
>>16701008
>>16701037
Good to see that Axanael recommendations have been dropped. An auto-save only game with no log was a horrible recommendation.

>> No.16701132

>>16701122
That's specifically why it was recommended. Looking back on things until they think they master them is something absolute beginners do all the time, and it causes them to spend a lot of time not actually learning japanese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

>> No.16701134

>>16701122
>An auto-save only game with no log was a horrible recommendation.
wtf that does sound shithouse
wasnt that the make a wish, pull the trigger thingo, it may have been by design, but thats still クソゲー

>> No.16701139

>女帝は女帝でも鬼を仕切る鬼の女帝だ。
this sentence hurts my brain. english it pls

>> No.16701151
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>>16701068
What about in gunbuster when this guy, the admiral of a fleet of starships, says

「追い詰められた人類が何をするか見せてやるわ!」

Clearly there's nothing feminine or youthful about him

>> No.16701152

>>16701139
Even if the empress was an empress she controlled demons.

>> No.16701155
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>>16701151
He's a badass military dude, he's got all the youth you could want my nigga.

>> No.16701165

>>16701139
>○は○でも△の○
This is a common phrase. Basically means that ○ is not only ○ in the typical sense but also △.
>>16701152
This is literal and wrong.

>> No.16701173

>>16701139
Queens are queens but it's the queen of oni that manages the oni.

>> No.16701183

>>16701173
The queen is a queen*
Sorry my ESL broke my translation

>> No.16701195

>>16701151
その「わ」はこぶんちっくだよー

古語辞典でひいてみたよ

千年前くらいまで「は」と書いていたが
発音は「わ」だったから
300年くらい前くらいには「わ」と書いたもの

意味「時代によって意味が変わる」終助詞

だって。じいちゃんが、大見得を切ったかんじなのかな

ダイバスターはみたけど、ガンバスターはふるいよう

>> No.16701202

How do you set up epwing J-J with rikaisama? And which of the million dictionaries is best?

>> No.16701205

>>16700731
>>16701151
わ isn't inherently feminine, but it just became more associated with it because male usage went down. In other words, old people talk.

かしら was also used by Tokyo men up pretty commonly in the past, if you're lucky you can meet someone irl that does so. (Only met one person myself) It can also be seen in Doraemon since Nobita uses it pretty often.

>> No.16701207

>>16701202
You could just press O for the sanseido dictionary and see how you get along with that. Their definitions seem pretty easy to understand

>> No.16701213

>>16701165
It's not literal I took the sentence and made it my own leaving out the last part because it sounds stupid.

>> No.16701216

>こんなもん10一0の巻き込まれ事故じゃねえか
Huh? What's the 10-0?

>> No.16701225

>>16701205
それが、ティーンのおとこのこでも

>蹴散らしてくれるわ!
とか
>それは無理だわ!
とかはokだとおもうよ

意味はびみょうにバラバラ、だいたい強調。

>> No.16701229

>>16700626
Source on the girl?

>> No.16701232

Is it just me or does this sound stupid? "Two hands are not enough to count the times I was slapped, BUT it's more than one hand can handle"? I probably misread it though

僕が本気でビンタされた回数は両手には足りないけれど片手に余る。

>> No.16701234

>>16701216
自動車保険用語だよ

10-0は、相手が信号無視して起こった事故とか

相手が対向車線にはみだしてぶつかった事故とか

オカマ掘った事故とかだよ

>> No.16701243

>>16701234
Hm okay. But what do the numbers mean in that? And what is it in context without cars, involving someone in something bad?

>> No.16701244

>>16701139
The meaning is basically
>She's not just any old empress, but an oni empress that has dominion over the oni.

>>16701225
>それが、ティーンのおとこのこでも
Mostly in fictional settings or for kansai-ben (or some other dialect), or as a joke.

>>16701232
>Two hands are not enough
That's where you went wrong. It's "It's not enough for two hands" but more than one can handle. Meaning between 6 and 10.

>> No.16701265

>>16701243
もともとは車用語なんだけど

そっから派生して「どっちがどのくらいわるいか」の俗語ができてるよ

6-4(ロクヨン)とか7-3(ナナサン)とか8-2(ハチニー)とか9-1(キューイチ)10-0(ジューゼロ)だよ

いつも後ろの数字が自分の責任の割合をあらわしてるよ

>>16701244
かんさいべんの「わ」は語源がべつだとおもうよ

>> No.16701272

>>16701265
>>かんさいべんの「わ」は語源がべつだとおもうよ
だからor

>> No.16701296

The word 手前 is confusing me
>ヒスかSっ娘手前じゃん
Does this mean histerical *or* sadist, or like "the histerical is a front for actually being a S isn't it" ?
>ヒス手前がこちらを見もせずに言った。
Again the 手前... is it literally just "person" here? Looking at it in a j-j dictionary doesn't help or maybe I'm too dumb

>> No.16701322

If 成る is 五段, why does 成られる come up as "potential or passive" in rikaisama? Is it just a bug?

>> No.16701332

>>16701322
Technically, all passives are "potential and/or passive", it's just that for godan verbs people usually don't use the passive form these days when they mean the potential. Though if it does treat it differently from non-r godan verbs, that would be a bug.

>> No.16701345

Is AJATT a good learning method?

>> No.16701348

>>16701345
No.

>> No.16701366

>>16701296
〜手前 = ほぼ〜
ほぼヒスかSっ娘

>> No.16701470

>>16701366
Hoh, really? I guess it makes sense like that, but I wonder why that isn't in the dictionary. So this contruct xかy手前じゃない "ヒス is one step before Sっ娘 isn't it" right? But then I don't get why the second sentence is "ヒス手前"

>> No.16701493

>>16700626
Is there a way to use a textgrabber ona VN and then have Rikaisama take the words from that and add it to a deck? I.e. mining a visual novel.

I would like to read dies irae while mining it, but if I am going to have to manually create the cards it is going to be a bit of a chore.

>> No.16701498

>>16701493
How about you read the thing you're quoting

>> No.16701589

Custom study "rated:1:1 or rated:1:2" really helps.

>> No.16701626

>>16701498
I have, no mention of it being able to mine VN's or textgrabbers. Can't find anything that resembles a simple "press key X to add word from the VN/textgrabber to your deck". Hence my question here if anyone knows of a way to do it.

How about you stop procrastinating here with a passive aggressive act?

>> No.16701632

>>16701626
No you clearly haven't.

>> No.16701656

>>16701632
I clearly have, the only thing it gives me is to turn .txt files into HTML which I can then feed into rikaisama. That is a far cry from simply hovering over it while I am reading.

Are you done being a passive aggressive cunt yet? Scum of the earth people like you, should collectively neck yourselves.

>> No.16701663

>>16701656
No you haven't. Go back to /int/ where retards like you belong.

>> No.16701677

>>16701663
Neck yourself mate. People like you are the no1 cause of threads going to shit, people with inferiority complexes acting like smartasses. You aren't improving the thread, you aren't improving your life, you are simply being a passive aggressive cunt for the sake of it.
I wasn't joking, consider necking yourself, you are a waste of space procrastinating on /jp/.

>> No.16701686

>>16701677
You can't learn Japanese, /int/-kun.

>> No.16701688

>>16701677

lol

>> No.16701689

>>16701626
It's there, it's just hidden. It's in a pastebin, not an html page.

>> No.16701736

>>16701626
>>16701656
You are right in that you have to feed the textgrabber output into firefox/chrome for rikaisama to do anything with it. However you don't have to manually turn .txt into .html, you can automate the entire process. Rather than explain it all here in text I'll just link you to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80bfJ6Sm5R8
Simple enough to set up.

Also don't let yourself get so riled up by faggots here in DJT, they are the same people who will tell you to do GOMAD on /fit/ and that Kanji are completely useless and should be ignored. They'd rather spend time getting a kick out of annoying people on a Cantonese clay stop motion board than sit down and learn. So honestly, don't get your panties in a twist, all you're doing is stooping to the same level of shitposting.

>> No.16701761

>>16701736
>>16701626
Oh also, don't waste time reading the entirety of OP's dump link, the entire thing can be boiled down to "use anki" and "read grammar". Reading the entire dump is a pain the ass, not least of all because it is a convoluted mess of an eyesore.

>> No.16701774

>>16701736
Stop answering questions that are very clearly and comprehensively addressed by the guide. It's a waste of everybody's time, especially the guy you're "helping" since he won't get far with that attitude that you have just enabled.

>> No.16701777

>>16701656
You clearly haven't.

>> No.16701812

>>16701470
it's basically used in the same sense as "borderline" in english.

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16701865

>>16701774
Nah buddy, to start with the guide is shit, pure amateur shit. From it's layout/formatting right down to the advise it gives, the only good thing about it is that sort of advocates studying kanji. It is most certainly not "comprehensive". I also don't see it mention the instructions I just posted, all I am finding is some footnote on feeding text documents into firefox via jnovel so rikaisama can then use them. By the way, fact that info on Rikaisama is sloppily tagged into the Anki chapter with no ToC or so indicating that it is there just exemplifies my point about the layout being amateur shit.

You also seem to be forgetting what this thread is about, it is about learning Japanese and/or helping people to learn Japanese. It isn't about acting like you are a bigshot talking shit (I seriously doubt you speak a lick of Japanese btw, but that is rather beside the point here). The guy asked a reasonable question, christ, if it really is in the OP dump you could have simply replied with a "read chapter X of OP". But no, you obviously think you are hot shit "protecting the thread".

The only waste of time here is you shitting up a thread intended for people to help each other, instead of adding words to your deck. If you really felt the guy was being an unreasonable cunt with his request, you report and move on, instead you chose to be an even bigger detriment to the thread with an attitude befitting that of "14 year old memelord".

I will continue helping out anons who seem to want to learn the language while calling out shitters like you and the "don't bother with kanji" crowd.

>> No.16701889

>>16701865
Please go back to where you came from.

>> No.16701890
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>>16701736
Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.

>> No.16701896

>>16701865

Learning kanji through vocab is not the same as "kanji are completely useless".

>> No.16701903

>>16701896
That's the admitted beginner who hasn't even actually started reading in Japanese yet, yet spams every thread with """advice""" sabotaging other beginners.

>> No.16701904

>>16701889
I wish I could but I don't think there is a way to go back to a 4chan prior to the likeness of you infested the place, thinking that being a baseless cunt is the equivalent of being clever or funny.

>> No.16701907

>>16701865
>all I am finding is some footnote on feeding text documents into firefox via jnovel so rikaisama can then use them

When you're looking in the "Ebook Tools" section for visual novel tools instead of the "Visual Novels" section, I'm not sure any layout could help you.

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>>16701896
>>16701903
Be that as it may, I see those posts crop up consistently.
"don't learn kanji", "kanji is a waste of time", "just learn vocab", even the occasional post advocating dropping kanji completely and simply going for a 100% kana approach.

Whenever I see them I call them out on their bullshit. I wouldn't even care about that sort of shitposting if it had a funny outcome, but it doesn't. All it most likely is, is some sad fuck who is having a hard time motivating himself to learn kanji simply posting "you don't need kanji" in the hopes that if he says it often enough it will become true.

>>16701890
No problem, enjoy Dies Irae, I thought it was pretty fucking good.

>> No.16701953

>>16701934
Except most people who actually got anywhere learnt that way. Lone kanji study is basically for below average IQ people who are slow in the head and can't memorize vocab by themselves / pick up on the same kanji across vocab through osmosis.

>> No.16701968

I wrote an alternative guide here: https://jsfiddle.net/7pmm8f9u/
backup: http://pastebin.com/raw/mdpByV1y

>> No.16701970

>>16701907
Nah buddy, looking in the "Rikaisama" section. It is just a fucking mess, the only way to find anything is to read everything. The main dump has a ToC, but then you click on any one those sections and you are directed to another ToC. That isn't how a ToC is supposed to work, it isn't supposed to be a Russian doll style system where i click on a ToC element and it directs me to another ToC. There is not a single page that gives the reader an "at a glance" overview of where to find what.

>> No.16701975

>>16701953
Hello resident "I can't read kana yet, but don't ever look at kanji, trust me!", how fairs your day?

>> No.16701993

>>16701865
>>16701890
>>16701934
Are you having an identity crisis?

>> No.16702000

>>16701968
By the way, this took less than two hours to write, including fighting the HTML. Literally anybody (that knows what they're talking about) could have done it.

>> No.16702008

>>16701953
The "it is either no kanji at all, or it is lone kanji study" beginner has entered the thread.

Get it into that thick head of yours that nobody here is advocating to look at single standalone kanji learning the various readings and meanings.

What is meant is, for example, when you are confronted with words that contain the kanji 日 it is pretty fucking handy to know that is is the kanji for "sun". Then when you see the word for hot, lo and behold, it contains the radical for sun, as does the word for warm, for day, for hour etc. All those kanji now mean something beyond just their individual unique shape, you are now studying Kanji.

But you knew all this already, you are just too lazy to apply it.

>> No.16702021

>>16702008
And you pick that upby learning vocab and seeing two different words that contain it. Amazing concept, right?

>> No.16702035

It actually takes more time to learn kanji than the time it would take to just look up the word you don't know in kana. Learning kanji is literally useless and highly inefficient. Even the Japanese are doing away with them.

>> No.16702039

>>16701205
Does this also apply to あたし? I remember some male characters from 昭和元禄落語心中 using it.

>> No.16702044

>>16702021
and then you might assume it is the radical for "day" at first, or for "hot/warm". Alternatively you spend 5 seconds to look up the radical and see it is "sun" and now know that for life. Amazing isn't it, using available resources to learn?

>> No.16702048

>>16701075

+1 for Let's Learn Japanese. Not only is it super comfy but the skits are brilliant and easy to memorize, by the second season the seemingly comical narrative will have you by the balls too.

>> No.16702052

>>16702035
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20170312/k10010908701000.html?utm_int=news_contents_news-main_002

Ya, look at all these kana. You are right, simply converting that to kana would be a lot faster than knowing the kanji being used.

No-kanji-kun saves the day yet again.

>> No.16702054

>>16702035

Stop making excuses.

>> No.16702057

>>16701075
>>16702048
Remember, drink some fucking beer. DO IT. Fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE

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>>16702044
>and then you might assume it is the radical for "day" at first
You're a special kind of retard aren't you?

>> No.16702064

In the future all disputes are resolved by who has the biggest kanji grid

>> No.16702073

>>16702063
Meant to say time, but you clearly get what I am trying to say. Knowing the radicals makes shit so much easier, and unless you have a learning disability it should be no effort on our part to simply look them up every time you come across a new one.

>> No.16702091

>>16702073
For the occasional exceptions, sure. The point is that for 90%+ of kanji you don't ever have to do it, and pick it up simply through osmosis. 日 is a prime example that you learn without ever having to look up. Unless, as said before, you are especially slow in the head. Which is fine but don't pretend like it's the norm.

>> No.16702116

There is one thing I sometimes don't understand in manga translation.
Take Berserk as a exemple: キャスカ is Casca.
Why the ャ has disappeared?

>> No.16702119

>>16702116
What?

>> No.16702122

>>16702116
Don't think too much about romanization or it will hurt your head. Just focus on learning Japanese as it is, without translating over.

>> No.16702123

>>16702116
きゃ corresponds to the a in "cat" and not the a in "call".

There's no "disappearing" going on. It's just transliteration.

>> No.16702125

>>16702116
That's just how katakana transliteration works. キャンペーン = campaign

>> No.16702147

>>16702123
Those words have totally different vowel sounds. Call doesn't even have anything to do with the a sound, it's rendered more like "or"

>> No.16702150

>>16702147
Yes, they are different vowel sounds. Japanese renders the vowel in "cat" as きゃ, not か. This is a thing.

>> No.16702154

>>16702147
>Call doesn't even have anything to do with the a sound
Maybe don't respond to a post that uses english vocabulary as a phonetic example if you didn't bother to think about accents.

>> No.16702156

>>16702116
They didn't drop the ャ
キャスカ is "kyasuka" -> "Casca"
Had they dropped theャ it would be キスカ, is "kiska" which sounds nothing like Casca

Furthermore the sound in the name "Casca" is closer to "kya" than it is to "ka" or "ke", which why that is chosen over any of the alternatives.

>> No.16702159

>>16702156
kisuka*

>> No.16702165

is memrise good for learning japanese?

>> No.16702167

>>16702165
no
just read the guide

>> No.16702168

>>16702091
I just don't see the point of "osmosis" when you can learn the ~200 important radicals in under a week (next to learning your vocab) and be done with it.

Does this mean you will magically know all the words simply by looking at the kanji and radicals they contain? No. But it sure as hell will make it easier to retain and recognize again, because usually the relation between the used kanji and the definition of the word isn't willy nilly, they are related. Makes it so much easier to learn complex words later on because you are thinking in the right direction thanks to knowing what the radicals mean.

>> No.16702174

>>16702165
It's an inferior alternative to Anki, not much point in using it.

>> No.16702181

>>16702116
think about it, Kyasuka sounds pretty fucking stupid desu Casca looks and sounds cooler

>> No.16702186

>>16702167
>>16702174
I will just wait until duolingo offers Japanese.

>> No.16702189

If I hover over 微か and press f, it just sounds like "Casca". Maybe it's like l and r, where past a certain age one just can't tell the difference...

>> No.16702196

思う

Why is the radical for fucking field in there? The minds of the people of ye olde times fascinate me, someone at some point sat down and decided to add the "symbol" for field into that word.

>> No.16702202

>>16702196
It's actually a head.

>> No.16702206

>>16702186
duolingo is even worse.

>> No.16702211

>>16702168
Who was talking about radicals? This convo began with kanji study. The time investment in radicals is indeed so low that it doesn't matter whether you do them or not, though it's still far from necessary. The problem only begins when you start looking at kanji in isolation rather than learning vocab with that time / reading. Or even worse, shudder, doing RTK and assigning English meanings to kanji.

>> No.16702219

>>16702189
きゃ is generally used for the "a" sound in English words like "cat".

>> No.16702229

>>16702189
>微か
I don't understand. That literally says "kasuka", drop the "u" like what happens basically always and you are left with "kaska". Why wouldn't that sound like "Casca"?

I suppose it all depends whether you are pronouncing Casca with an IPA a or æ. The former is closer to the Japanese "ka", the latter closer to "kya".

Casca being a Greek name I am not even sure what the "official" pronunciation is in English.

>> No.16702237

>>16702206
Why is duolingo and memrise looked down upon?

>> No.16702247

>>16702237
see
>>16702174

>> No.16702250

>>16702237
Why would literal trash be not looked down upon?

>> No.16702257

>>16702229
Tall
Tally
Talking

Sat
Sall
Sally
Stalking

Tack
Task
Tasked

Casca is a correct rendition and should be pronounced with æ.

>Casca being a Greek name
It's not.

>> No.16702262

>>16702219
I think I get it. So it's like the different renderings "cash" and "card" in キャッシュカード are representing the different vowel sounds that english uses for those two "a"s.

>> No.16702265

>>16702250
You are very rude.

>> No.16702267

>>16702237
They are literally worse than not using them.

>> No.16702279

>>16702211
Nobody was advocating studying kanji in isolation. Study kanji as in "study the elements of kanji".

Lots of words that have to do with the concept of "cold" contain kanji with the ice radical. Now I don't know about you, but I find it hard to believe anyone is going to easily associate two little "comas" with the concept ice anytime soon. However once you do know that it becomes so much easier to recognize patterns and group kanji.

I am not advocating lone kanji study, if anything I want the opposite and find that only learning vocab with complete disregard for kanji is more akin to "lone kanji" study since you are treating every single new word you are learning as a new separate entity that has not connection to other words.

>> No.16702286

>>16702257
>americans
root cause of the problem

>> No.16702289

>>16702257
>It's not.
It is

>> No.16702303

>>16702289
>It is
Do you see the greek alphabet there?
No? There you go.

>> No.16702305

>>16702286
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift
Educate yourself.

>> No.16702311

>>16702156
Sounds closer to Ka rather than Kya to be honest.

>> No.16702316

Anywhere I can enter a number and it tells me how it's pronounced in Japanese?

>> No.16702321

>>16701968
Mirrored here: https://compellingcontent.neocities.org/longguide.html

>> No.16702324

I've been observing a steady rise of my retention rate despite not having started reading yet and having a constant feed of new Kanji in my vocabulary and I really don't understand why it is getting easier to remember things. Is it possible that it has something to do with regained brain plasticity from learning Japanese? Maybe it's just an illusion but this is kind of a weird development for me. It does motivate me so it is appreciated I suppose.

>> No.16702329

>>16702324
Your brain is just more used to memorization. You're not just memorizing words, you're acquiring how to memorize words.

>> No.16702333

Is it me or this thread improved a lot after moving from /a/.
Barely any RTK shitposter.

>> No.16702336

>>16702316
If you been learning japanese for more than one month and you still don't know how to pronounce numbers you should really rethink what you've been doing so far.

>> No.16702342

>>16702316
Japanese has two number systems. If you only care about single-digit numbers you can use a dictionary. Otherwise you have to go read about how multi-digit numbers are recited.
>>16702336
Rude.

>> No.16702343

>>16702333
They all went to /int/

>> No.16702352

>>16702342
>Rude.
How so? Numbers are the easiest part of japanese. It's even easier than french.

>> No.16702354

>>16702316
Google translate?

>> No.16702355

>>16702352
I didn't say it was wrong, just rude.

>> No.16702369

What's the best OCR to use for reading manga on android?

>> No.16702371

>>16702369
ocr manga reader

>> No.16702394

>>16702324
did you ingest any weird chemicals recently? you might have gotten superpowers.

>> No.16702397

>>16702394
probably fish oil

>> No.16702404

>>16702397
the only power you get from fish oil is clear skin, i tried it

>> No.16702408

>>16702404
i got cancer from it. not even kidding.

>> No.16702423

>>16702394
I'm not sure but I do think it may just be that my brain, which hasn't had any real learning experiences for some time, just had to get back into a learning mode, I thought it might have had something to do with brain plasticity, which is why I mentioned it earlier. Hell it has gotten to the point where I have to see a word once and I stop forgetting it. It feels pretty nice.

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>>16702336
Not him, but why do you waste time being rude in an educational thread on one of the slowest boards? I honestly would like to meet a person like you in real life one day. Who are you? What do you look like? Where do you live? What does your house look like? Do you have a job? Are you a student? Are you a well balanced individual who is bored, or a bitter fatty disappointed with their choices in life. The answers to all those questions interest me more than all the unknowns in phyiscs.

>> No.16702491

>>16702408
You probably got the cancer from all of your time spent here.

>> No.16702492 [DELETED] 

外人が勉強しても時間の無駄だぜ

エロゲの真の美しさが外人の目に見えないあらゆることだ

とりあえずこの動画見てみろ

無駄な勉強を楽しむためにはこれも必要

youtu.be/-ssgAfQtn4Q

>> No.16702497

Hey I started learning Japanese 2 months ago, what are the chances that I will be able to pass Kanji Kentei level 2 before 2019 if I study hard?

>> No.16702502 [DELETED] 

>>16702492
Hmm, weird, none of your text says "don't mind me, just shitting up the thread with nigger music" despite you clearly doing so.

>> No.16702506

>>16702497
1% maybe.
You can easily do N1 without much sweat though. Why do you want that one specifically? Job?

>> No.16702508

>>16702502
dont sign your posts

>> No.16702509

>>16702497
You might be able to do it if you study hard enough to pass JLPT N1 this year.

>> No.16702526

>>16702506
Just something to hang on my wall as prove of language mastery I suppose, it's really just for fun. I can read about 300 and write about 150 Kanji relatively well by now (of course I don't know any Kanji completely as I haven't started reading yet but I feel it is a good balance still). Simply wondered if it might not be more fun to aim for Kanji Kentei than JLPT but I suppose it does make sense to go for JLPT first and then see if KK is a realizable goal. Maybe I'll report back in a year and tell you if it's possible to do in such a short amount of time.

>> No.16702530

>>16702497
You are going to get a lot of bullshit answers, the only real answer however is "nobody here fucking nows". Learning that amount isn't physically impossible (something inane like "learning all books ever written by man by heart" would simply be physically impossible). So the only way to find out is to come up with a plan that divides the load over your timeframe, then sit your ass down and do your utmost to stick to that plan.

My subjective opinion is that that is a tall fucking order considering a lot of natives don't pass it. Level 1 is obtained by ~300 people every time it is given, you are aiming for the level under that (not accounting prelevel 1).

>> No.16702543

>>16702497
theres no chances because everything is up to you

youll either put yourself in a position to succeed or you wont

however a good start is to vacate this aids quarantine zone while you still have some t helper cells intact

>> No.16702544

>>16702526
I don't really see the point of doing this, especially with a time limit, but whatever's fun to you I guess. I hope you're at least highly interested in Japanese media though...

>> No.16702546

>>16702497
>what are the chances that I will be able to pass Kanji Kentei level 2 before 2019 if I study hard?
Nobody here knows your diligence. Realistically speaking, time will tell; anything you might be thinking right now is pure fantasy.

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>>16702543
>>16702543
>>16702543
>however a good start is to vacate this aids quarantine zone while you still have some t helper cells intact
So much this, come here if you have a question, come here in your free time to answer questions, don't come here to participate in shitposting about "doing X" or "not doing Y". I nearly fell for that trap. It is like going on /fit/ and then ending up spending hours arguing with some fat fuck about whether or not ass to grass is good, instead of spending that same time just fucking picking up heavy shit and putting it back down again. Don't do it to yourself.

>> No.16702634

How would translate "FuFu" coming from a mother?

Hehe feels weird

>> No.16702641

>>16702634
"kek" or "lel"

>> No.16702655

>>16702634
Why?

>> No.16702665

>>16702655
It's meme-free

>>16702641
for scanlating

>> No.16702672

>>16702665
This is the Japanese learning thread, not help incapable N4's translate thread.

>> No.16702673

>>16702665
Switch answers.
I was thinking about "Hu hu" or "mfufu"?
It's supposed to be a muffled laugh.

>> No.16702676

>>16702673
why not just heh heh

>> No.16702687

>>16702634
LOL

>> No.16702695

>>16702634

Just leave it as it is.

>> No.16702696

>>16702634
"rofl"

>> No.16702703

>>16702695
You win.

>> No.16702719

>嵐
>暴風
Why, Japan? Why?

>> No.16702737

>口
>ロ
なんでジャパンなんで

>> No.16702740

what are some online games that i can play with japanese people (im from europe)? i got セガNET麻雀MJ but theres no chat.

>> No.16702746

>唯一爪の先から出たのは
>爪の先
I think this means like hint or evidence here, but I can't find the definition in Google. Does it? Because literally fingernail doesn't make sense here

>> No.16702753 [DELETED] 

>>16702746
Grow up and pick up a book.

>> No.16702757

>>16702740
one of the final fantasys

monster hunter

toukiden 2

like.... pso2? lmao

dota has jp servers now but its full of russians

>> No.16702762

>>16702719

What is the problem?

>> No.16702765

>>16702740
I enjoy Richi Mahjong, not that there is any interaction, I mean it might as well be played with westerners.

>> No.16702780

>>16702740
Grow up and pick up a book.

>> No.16702786

>>16702757
anything free that is playable with a bad ping?

i know i could probably get pso2 to work but i doubt its worth with the delay

>>16702765
ye セガNET麻雀MJ is mahjong but it lacks interaction, still fun even though i always lose.

>>16702780
ok

>> No.16702819
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16702819

>mfw can't help glancing at furigana while reading manga
How do i stop doing this? Is there any trick?

>> No.16702826

>>16702819
Don't watch manga, for one. Or watch the ones for slightly older children without as many furi.

>> No.16702836

>>16702753
>>16702780
grow up and stop posting

>>16702786
like if your net sucks then playing games is pretty not good--you can play go or shogi or something lmao

if you just mean delay from you to japan server then yeah all of that is fine

you can play arad senki if thats still alive

>>16702819
dont worry about it theres nothing wrong

>> No.16702839

>>16702819
Read manga that doesn't have furigana, like New Game

>> No.16702847

>>16702826
Reading manga without eyes, whose eyes are those eyes.

>> No.16702857

>>16702839
read seinen manga.

>> No.16702885

おはようおにいちゃん

きんにくつうだよぅ

おっくう

>> No.16702921

Is a word not having example sentences on Jisho a good indication of it being a rarely used and pointless one?

>> No.16702924

>>16702921
No. Jishos database is extremely small.

>> No.16702927

>>16702921
http://www.manythings.org/corpus/warningtatoeba.html

>> No.16702931

>>16702924
not him, is there a website with a bigger database?

>> No.16702935

>>16702931
J-J dictionaries

>> No.16702942

>>16702931
No. They are all just the tatoeba database reskinned.

>> No.16702946

>>16702931
Mining the word from content like you're supposed to.

>> No.16702950

>>16701953
TIL I'm slow in the head.

>> No.16702954

>>16702931
Visual novel scripts, which you can rip with tools meant for translation.

>> No.16702966
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16702966

Why the fuck is this piece of shit mocking me

>> No.16702967

Anyone recommend an Anki deck which are just pictures and words?

No English phrases or anything.

>> No.16702969

>>16702885
最近どうだ

ちゃんと運動しているかい

>> No.16702971

>>16702927
Fucking secondary learners. Why is their shit in there in the first place?

>> No.16702983

>>16702969
にちようびに

さなるこいっしゅうはしったー

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Meme words in my moe comics? Well I never.

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16703053

>>16703035
魑魅魍魎?

That word is actually surprisingly common.

>> No.16703079

>>16703035
Which mango?

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16703089

私はあなたの侮辱を理解することができるように日本語を勉強します。

>> No.16703091

>>16702966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyREMy_q7z8

>> No.16703101

How advanced do I have to be to read Tsukihime and other Type-Moon works?

>> No.16703103

>>16703101
On the same level as someone who was picked to fight in the Holy Grail War with a class A servant.

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>>16703101
Tsukihime is a 3.5.

>> No.16703105

Is anyone here using Kobo ebook readers instead of Kindles? How well does it handle japanese books with horizontal formatting, and how is the dictionary?

>> No.16703107

>>16703101
Not at all. It's piss easy grammar constructs with the occasional weird kanji.

>> No.16703145

>>16703104
Definitely not. More like a 2.5.

>> No.16703149

>>16703101
nasu is the r.l stine of visual games

>> No.16703152

>>16703104
>>16703145
This is retarded and not how languages work.

>> No.16703154

>>16703145
You don't know what you're talking about. Tsukihime is objectively harder than subahibi.

>> No.16703162

>>16703152
>and not how languages work.
There's a reason the measuring stick is so vague. But it definitely represents a difference between the VNs it has at each level. Subarashiki Hibi contains more written constructions than Magical Charming. Hanachirasu contains more rare jargon and weird grammar than Subarashiki Hibi.

>> No.16703170

>>16703152
welcome to djt bro youll get used to it eventually

>> No.16703174

>>16703170
It toned a bit down after our exodus I recall.

>> No.16703179

>>16703079
https://comic.pixiv.net/works/1565

>> No.16703181

>>16703154
>objectively harder
If this is true then there is simply no way I could find it easier than subahibi.

>> No.16703187

>>16703181
You can be objectively wrong.

>> No.16703190
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16703190

>>16703104
I fixed the chart.

>> No.16703191

>>16703181
Subahibi contains 2238 unique kanji and is 2.5MB long. Tsukihime contains 2224 unique kanji and is 3MB long. Throw in the fact that Nasu was not a stellar writer when he wrote Tsukihime and it's automatically harder to read than Subahibi, because bad writing is harder to read than good writing in general.

That's just from the perspective of the numbers and Nasu being Nasu. If you directly compare Tsukihime to Subahibi you'll see Tsukihime being a minor but meaningful level of difficulty higher. This isn't because Tsukihime is better, it's because Nasu was not a stellar writer at the time. His prose was awful.

>> No.16703194

>>16703187
客観的に私はゲイ

>> No.16703204
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16703204

>>16703190
Here I actually fixed it.

>> No.16703211

>>16703187
No, it was definitely easier for me to read. Which means it's not "objectively harder".
>>16703191
>Throw in the fact that Nasu was not a stellar writer when he wrote Tsukihime and it's automatically harder to read than Subahibi
Funnily enough that's exactly why I found it to be easier than both Fate and Subahibi.

>> No.16703214 [DELETED] 

>>16703154
I've got something in my pants that's objectively harder.

>> No.16703226

>>16703211
>Funnily enough that's exactly why I found it to be easier than both Fate and Subahibi.
I see, so basically glossing over it because it's so bad is why it was easier for you. That's what they call subjective.

>> No.16703228 [DELETED] 

>>16703214
objectively harder to put in a living adult woman

>> No.16703231

>>16703204
Hanahira is actually Yokohamese and Dies Irae is actually Latin.

>> No.16703242 [DELETED] 

>>16703228
>living adult woman

3DPD.

>> No.16703246

>>16703226
I didn't claim it was "bad", it just has worse writing.
>That's what they call subjective.
Exactly, it's impossible for something this similar to be "objectively harder".

>> No.16703247 [DELETED] 

>>16703242
thats the point

>> No.16703252

>>16703246
The grammar level and vocabulary level of Tsukihime is pretty much directly comparable to Fate, so if you found Tsukihime easier then there must be some reason not directly related to the difficulty of the language featured in the text. Therefore, you make yourself go easy on bad writing. Probably by glossing over it, because nobody likes reading bad writing. It's not rocket science.
>Exactly, it's impossible for something this similar to be "objectively harder".
There is, in fact, always an objective difference between two texts. You seem to not understand what objective means. Objective doesn't mean that contradictory subjective things are wrong. Objective means that the statement is true when you don't give the arguments of the statement a subject, i.e. you.

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16703257

>>16703204

>> No.16703260
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16703260

大きいのおっぱいはパーフェクトです。

>> No.16703261

>>16703252
write this post in japanese or shut the fuck up

>> No.16703264
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16703264

>>16703261

>> No.16703266

People who endlessly argue about which thing is 1% easier than another thing will never learn Japanese. There is no fucking noteworthy difference between Tsukihime, Magical Charming or Subahibi. If you seriously have trouble with one you will have trouble with all of them, because you simply don't know Japanese. So stop arguing and go study.

>> No.16703275

>>16703260
あのー私はこっちだよ

>> No.16703285

>>16703275
きめえ

>> No.16703299

>>16703266
>There is no fucking noteworthy difference between Tsukihime, Magical Charming or Subahibi
Magical Charming is actually significantly easier than the other two. Like, way easier. It uses much simpler vocabulary and much simpler grammar.

>> No.16703310

Is there an easy way to create a duplicate of the core 6k to turn it into a production deck?

>> No.16703314

>>16703310
Load it a second time, change the name of the card type in the copy (<-- IMPORTANT), edit card format to production format.

>> No.16703316

>>16703260

>大きいのおっぱい

That's not valid grammar.

>>16703275

If you write that, then there's no connection at all between his statement and yours.

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16703320

>>16703204
Here's a more fixed version

>> No.16703326

>>16703316
i suck!

>> No.16703342

>>16703104
From a Japanese POV how hard is Dies Irae? I mean, at the end of the day I am assuming your average Japanese 18 year old who went to highschool is capable of reading that, right?

I have seen people act as if it is like opening up the finance and economics page of the NHK paper, and I am having trouble believing it is that hard.

>> No.16703358

>>16703174
There are definitely less people spouting the "don't bother with kanji" meme, I swear most of those were people who spent all day watching anime and had convinced themselves they could learn the language that way.

>> No.16703362

>>16703342
The average highschooler will be able to read and comprehend dies irae with no problems, but there are sections with obscure words that they will have trouble actually understanding. Same as reading something like War And Peace in english as an english native. Plus Dies throws in actual latin for fun >>16703257

In general, "3" on that chart is ordinary modern japanese without constraints, both spoken and written, and anything above or below that will mostly only differ in terms of how far it strays from the modern spoken language. A native highschool graduate will comprehend anything within the confines of the chart, including some stuff beyond it.

>> No.16703371

>>16703358
it worked for me https://twitter.com/minaminahttn/status/839610891733622784

>> No.16703380

>>16703362
Excerpt from War And Peace for comparison:

>“Ah, Maman, ne dites pas de bêtises. Vous ne comprenez rien. Dans ma
>position j’ai des devoirs,” * said Hélène changing from Russian, in
>which language she always felt that her case did not sound quite clear,
>into French which suited it better.
>
> * “Oh, Mamma, don’t talk nonsense! You don’t understand
> anything. In my position I have obligations.”

>At nine o’clock the countess woke up, and Matrëna Timoféevna, who had
>been her lady’s maid before her marriage and now performed a sort of
>chief gendarme’s duty for her, came to say that Madame Schoss was much
>offended and the young ladies’ summer dresses could not be left behind.
>On inquiry, the countess learned that Madame Schoss was offended because
>her trunk had been taken down from its cart, and all the loads were
>being uncorded and the luggage taken out of the carts to make room for
>wounded men whom the count in the simplicity of his heart had ordered
>that they should take with them. The countess sent for her husband.

The density of weird grammar and obscure words is probably similar, though I suspect Dies would be easier to comprehend since it's intended to be entertainment.

>> No.16703388

>>16703342
It's non-native language beginners talking about difficulty. Of course if you view it here it's gonna be overblown. Dies irae is nothing special, if you have difficulty reading it after a 3 years of study you messed up. Now I don't know Japanese children well enough, but comparing it to English equivalents, I'd say even 13 year olds wouldn't have any problems (ignoring the gibberish latin and whatnot that everyone has to google).

>> No.16703393

>>16703371
I would prefer not being subtitled when I speak.

>> No.16703396

>>16703388
>Now I don't know Japanese children well enough, but comparing it to English equivalents, I'd say even 13 year olds wouldn't have any problems
I think 13-year-olds would be on the edge of being able to read it fluidly. They just don't have a large enough vocabulary yet. It was hard for me to read tom sawyer in school because I didn't know half the archaic stuff in it.

>> No.16703398

>>16703380
>>16703362
Sad reality is that your average English native doesn't know what War&Peace is, let alone be able to read it, and even much less comprehend what they are reading.

>> No.16703421

>>16703398
Yeah, that's because War and Peace is written in Russian.

>> No.16703440

>>16703421
Fun fact: War&Peace has been translated into a plethora of languages and is considered world literature. That it was written in Russian does not excuse not at the very least being aware of its existence.

>> No.16703453

>>16702746
I have a vague idea of what it might be, but some context (or at the very least, the rest of the sentence) would be lovely.

>> No.16703454

id read war and peace if it was a light novel

>> No.16703468

>>16703454
There's 600+ page thick light novels so go ahead and treat it as one.

>> No.16703470

>>16703398
Shame that a lot of Dostoevsky's works are unknown to english readers too.

>> No.16703471

>>16703454
Light novel doesn't actually mean anything. Please refrain from using the term in the future.

>> No.16703482

>>16703440
There is no such thing as "world literature" you stupid pleb.

And War and Peace is not difficult to read in English translation. And if you wanted to make a point like this, you could have at least chosen an (actually appropriate) example from English literature, like Ulysses, which I would bet money that you, at least, can't understand.

>> No.16703494

>>16703388
Aight, all the talk about the game had me wondering if it was just obscurely difficult from a native POV as well. Something like Silmarilion for English natives for instance, where a lot of Anglos struggle as well unless they have had good higher education and/or are bookworms.

>> No.16703500

>>16703482
Ulysses is classical modern english, which people can't actually read without practice because it's so dense in moribund language features. Dies irae is ordinary modern japanese, which people can read without practice, because moribund language features are uncommon in it. The place the line is drawn is valid.

Not him btw, I'm the one that brought War and Peace up in the first place.

>> No.16703526

>>16703494
the thing about dies irae is its not child game its man child game

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>>16703482
It would be cool if Mr. high horse here acting like he is so well read would next time bother to read the few lines of text in the thread as well. If you had done so you would have found that I never brought up the example of War&Peace. Furthermore if you are going to pretend like you are well read you might want to stop that atrocious use of commas.
As to "world literature" not existing, you are wrong and I suggest you pick up a dictionary of colloquialisms.
Last but not least, why you trying to suggesting that Dies Irae is on a level of difficulty comparable to UIysses? That was what the initial conversation was about, works in English that are comparatively as difficult as Dies Irae is in Japanese. Now you are telling us that Ulysses is a better example from English literature, that Dies Irae is on a level of difficulty comparable to that of Ulysses.

You aren't well read, you have no idea what you are talking with regard to real life or this thread, you are coming off as a complete ass and to boot you aren't particularly funny either.

>> No.16703588

I just looked at some screenshots from this Dies Irae game and it doesn't seem hard at all. At best it uses some rarer kanji variants. What is all the fuss about?

>> No.16703600

>>16703588
see
>>16703388

Completely ignoring the fact that trying to grasp 3MB of text from a few screenshots is completely retarded, by the way.

>> No.16703604

>>16703572
Hoooooly shit, hahaha. Butthurt much? I am definitely more well-read than you.

>> No.16703609

>>16703604
wew

>> No.16703613

what does w mean and why do japanese people keep typing it
wwwwwww

>> No.16703622

>>16703613
It's like laughing. I think the verb was "warau" or something like that

>> No.16703629
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16703629

>400 cards remaining

Sick 'n' tired.


Should I use all these decks?

I'm N3 and I would like to get into JLPT 2 this year, but is too hard for me in fact. I am also studying Japanese in my college,

>> No.16703634

>>16703622
ok that makes sense, thanks
wwwwwww

>> No.16703643

I'm failing japanese 101 in college and I need to pass in order to graduate what are the best ways to learn this language?

I use flashcards, I talk my japanese friends, I feel like I study quite a bit, like maybe I'm not studying enough, I swear I am but I just can never memorize spelling or the long vowels. I'm always forgetting my vocab, the grammar isn't too bad for me but I'm curious what other ways there may be because I'm not really motivated to keep on studying anymore because i've already failed the first 2 chapter tests out of 5 and we have short quizzes everyday that I'm failing because I forget how to spell a word.

>> No.16703652

>>16703643
Read content.

>> No.16703653

>>16703604
I spend my Sunday evenings in a dead corner of a Vietnamese spring roll photoexchange club with people who talk like this.

Soon noose, soon.

>> No.16703659

>>16703643
I'd say immersion. Apart from studying, do stuff in Japanese. Manga, anime, newspapers, games forums, etc Doing anything in Japanese regularly along with your studying should help you a lot

>> No.16703670

>>16703643
>but I just can never memorize spelling or the long vowels.
explain further? I don't really follow, the spelling is exactly as the word is pronounced 99% of the time.

>> No.16703675

>>16703653
You will be doing us all a favour.

>> No.16703678

>>16703643
put on a stream and listen to people talk all day

>> No.16703679

>>16703629
No, do a vocab deck and spend the remaining time reading. And stop doing a ridiculous number of new cards unless you want to burn out. You should be doing a number of cards that you can sustain in the long term.

>> No.16703689

>>16703670

Maybe
>>16703643
is studying with romaji like a n00b

>> No.16703704

>>16703454
Highlight me when they make it an anime... with catgirls and lolis.

>> No.16703730

>>16703704
go read Lolita

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16703734

Hitler what?
偉い?

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16703740

>>16703675

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16703746

>>16703689
>is studying with romaji like a n00b
What the fuck? Stop right now.

>> No.16703749

>>16703746
y0u c4nn0t st0p m3

>> No.16703752

>>16703734
得ろ

>> No.16703760

>>16703734
引っ捕らえろ

>> No.16703778

>>16703746
Summer is about to start anon, you might want to prepare for that.

>> No.16703791

>>16703760
ayyy, thanks m8
why would someone write just ヒットラ in katakana tho

>> No.16703802

>>16703778
spring hasnt even started yet might want to prepare for that

>> No.16703812

>>16703802
The joke is that it's always summer

>> No.16703845

https://dat.2chan.net/img2/src/1488976914778.png

端々に狙っている感

feels like aiming at the corners?

>> No.16703855

>>16703643
Read tae kim and read zettai reiiki. That will make you pass japanese 101.
> I swear I am but I just can never memorize spelling or the long vowels.
That goes away with exposure to long vowels.

>> No.16703872

>>16703845
feeling of keeping an eye on the odds and ends

>> No.16703906

How do you deal with redaction?
I always find myself stuck in searching for a way on how to express certain phrases without sounding like a fucking poet.

>> No.16703910

>>16703906
Naturalize it.

>> No.16703922

お汁粉が食べたいな

>> No.16703925

ぼくはかわいい妻そして魚口が欲しいです

I want a cute fish mouthed Japanese wife!

>> No.16703946

>>16703925

That says I am a cute wife and I want a fishmouth.

>> No.16703955

漢字勉強無用

>> No.16703962

>>16703955
ごもっとも

>> No.16703970

>>16703910
shit, I mean, while translating to english

>> No.16703971

>>16703970
Yeah, naturalize it.

>> No.16703979

>>16703946
私はかわいい魚を舐めた妻が欲しい?

>> No.16703991

>>16703643
>I'm failing japanese 101
>I talk my japanese friends
>i've already failed the first 2 chapter tests

How can you possibly be talking to Japanese people if you are failing beginner Japanese?

>> No.16703993

>>16703979
私はあなたの言うことがわからない

>> No.16703994

>>16703979

I want a wife who licked cute fish.

>> No.16704005

>>16703991
>おはようございます、げんきですか?
>げんきです。
>いい天気ですね。
>そうだ。いいね。
I imagine

>> No.16704011

>>16704005
Wow I understood this entire post I'm fluent senpaitachi.

>> No.16704020

>このありさまなんだけど
公式以外にあるのは危険だと思っていい
よく話題になる年次調査サイトへ誘導するトロイとかもこういうインストーラー改竄したので仕込まれるし

its leads you to popular year investigation sites that have trojans and modified installers so be careful?

>> No.16704030

ある意味魚の口がマンコではなイカ

>> No.16704037

>>16704030
魚のくちマンコで抜けたいなあ

>> No.16704048
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16704048

what is this?

>> No.16704055

>>16704048
It's an upside down 2 with a voicing marker on it. The opposite of に, how 2 is pronounced, is obviously で, and the voicing mark is there to remind you of that fact.

>> No.16704056

かわいい魚の口を持っている妻?

>> No.16704058

I just tried reading "Breaking into Japanese Literature", and it's pretty difficult to understand (even the easiest one) without looking at the vocabulary list/glossary all the time. I thought of reading this before starting reading a manga/VN, and I was wrong.. I hate to say this, but I'm somewhere between N4-N5. Can anon suggest what to do? Should I abandon this book and start reading easy manga/VN?

>> No.16704059

>>16704048
What do you mean? It's just a regular で.

>> No.16704063
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16704063

>>16703994
You are acting like this isn't exactly what I want.

>> No.16704064
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16704064

>>16704058
Read Zettai Reiiki. I meme it for a reason.

>> No.16704066

>>16704058
Those books are aimed at intermediate learners, they're adult literature after all. Try SoL manga or something.

>> No.16704072

>>16704058
FYI, the easiest reading is the first part (第一夜) of 夢十夜

http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/799_14972.html

>> No.16704079

>>16704072
Just so lurkers know, this is a shitpost.

>> No.16704081

>>16704064
>>16704066
thanks. I will look into your suggestions

>> No.16704084

>いまいち締まらない所がカナらしいっちゃらしいかな。
what does this mean
why are there two らしい

>> No.16704086

>>16704058
You can try Read Real Japanese, it is also literature but I think it is at a lower level. Even after finishing 2-3 VNs, it was still painful to read and I gave up on the 2nd story though. If I ever try it again, I'm probably going to type out the stories so I can look things up easier.

>> No.16704099

>>16704058
"proper" literature pretty much requires N1/2. Or rather, reading proper literature requires a level that should make the entire JLPT piss easy for you.

JLPT is a great indicator for western companies that they can send you to Japan to conduct business (or so they think). In nipland however it is at best an indication to them, when they are reading through your CV, that they won't have to talk to you like a baby when you appear for an interview. However 5 minutes of talking to you will make it more than obvious to them if your Japanese is good enough or not. What I am trying to say is not to get to hung up on the whole JLPT level thing.

>> No.16704101
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16704101

My favorite thing about learning Japanese is finding out that hentai dialogue sounds just as retarded in the original language.

>> No.16704117

>>16704064
That weird way of talking might be hard for a beginner though. Is that just a one time thing for this manga?

>> No.16704118

>>16704099
Not really, unless your definition of "proper literature" means obscure archaic shit. Most modern books are about the same or often even easier level than VNs.

>> No.16704119

>>16704056
魚のような口で私の水生妻

>> No.16704124

>>16704084
so its twice as chill and matter of fact

>> No.16704128

>>16704117
That's pretty normal speech, aside from the usa-tans' speech defect, which are obvious.

>> No.16704132

>>16704128
Yeah the other characters speak normally.
>which are obvious
Is it obvious for a beginner? I know people have had trouble with Yotsuba which isn't hard but if you don't know basic vocab it would be a pain to get through.

>> No.16704148

>>16704118
I'm reading 金閣寺 right now and it's really hard to understand, even though I've read quite a few LNs and VNs.

>> No.16704150

>>16704118
Yes really, JLPT level 1 isn't that great, every fucking native elementary schooler is still talking circles around you.

If you are breezing through "advanced" novels like S&W then you are at a level where JLPT1 should be easy.

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16704154

>>16704132
They point out it's a kid's show when it's introduced so I'd hope the reader figures out that saying usa usa usa tan is a speech defect. If not they'll have a really hard time learning Japanese, ZR is the easiest thing I've found.

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16704171

あの昔の時に君の背中に月明かりが優しく照らされて君は柔らかい手夜空に伸ばして「いい天気ですね」と話し出すのだった。
「なんいってんな」と俺が思ったが「この下手の奴んだな」と後足し付けた。
revise my shitty attempt at prodution.

>> No.16704178

>>16704171
The /int/ crowd has more natives, who are the only people you should take corrections from.

>> No.16704204

>>16704178
fuck off

>> No.16704211

>>16704204
he's not wrong

>> No.16704217

>>16704211
yes, you are wrong

>> No.16704218

>>16704204
I'm serious. I'm not calling you a crossboarder or anything.

>> No.16704224

>>16704063
嫌いだ

>> No.16704336

Every once in a long while google IME decides to be a nigger. I don't know what's going on here or how to fix it. When I input I get weird shit. a i u e o becomes ち に な い ら. Anyone else experienced this?

>> No.16704343

>>16704336
We are not your personal tech support.

>> No.16704373

>>16704343
しばらくお休みにしよう

>> No.16704381

>>16704336

You need to right click and switch the input method back to romaji.

>> No.16704435

>>16704171
go to lang-8

the natives there will correct your japaense for you correcting their english

>> No.16704454

>>16704435
forgot about that
thanks

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16704458

>>16704435

Welp

>> No.16704467

>>16704101
It does sound retarded, but translators still do a lot of work to make it sound even more retarded when they translate 100% literally.

>> No.16704472

>>16704458
..the fuck?

>> No.16704531
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>>16704458
fuggg

>> No.16704616

Hey guys

Just a quick question. I started a week ago and have most of hiragana down.

The recent movie 君の名は is pronounced kimi no na wa. My question is shouldn't the last character be pronounced "ha"?

Is this some grammar rule I haven't come across yet, or is "wa" closer to the original pronounciation in this case?

>> No.16704645

>>16704616
>Is this some grammar rule I haven't come across yet

Yes, it's one of the first things you'll learn when you start Tae Kim.

>> No.16704646

>>16704616
If you're a week in you should have already come across this.
The particle は is always pronounced like わ, this should be present in the first lesson of any grammar guide you come across.

>> No.16704648
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16704648

>>16704616

>> No.16704672

>>16700912
>erogamescape
Is this the right URL?
erogamescape.dyndns.org

It won't load for me. Is the site dead or just temporarily down?

>> No.16704673

>>16704616
Please don't post on this thread until you have learned basic grammar

>> No.16704677

>>16704645
>>16704646

Ahh ok, thanks. I guess I should start my grammar soon

>> No.16704695

>>16704672
The site owner blocks some gaijin ranges. Use a proxy or ask to be unblocked on Twitter.

I have a feeling the site's running on a Pentium in some dude's basement without backups and is going to get swept away in a tsunami someday.

>> No.16704704

>>16704695
fug

I found this on plebbit through google so it seems like I could just use this instead of messing around with proxies:
https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/52bwp6/best_of_erogamescape_%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E6%89%B9%E8%A9%95%E7%A9%BA%E9%96%93_1995_2016/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DV8n4SjUS5UtoJtWZmgG2eMXNX8eS2iy7gcIXb5J4mI/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.16704732

>>16704704
did you know you can learn japanese entirely on reddit also

>> No.16704734

>>16704704
Can anyone download this spreadsheet as .ODS? When I try the page just loads for ages and then nothing happens.

>> No.16704856

>>16704084
I guess you could say it's just like Kana to not have everything quite together.
カナらしいと言えば(カナ)らしい

>> No.16704861

>>16704732
そうでない

>> No.16704868

>>16704336
You're in Japanese keyboard mode. Change back to English keyboard mode in the language bar.

>> No.16704879

>>16704020
The trojan viruses that lead you to those sites also have installers like this one.

>> No.16704911

>>16704704
Is the omaera mirror not around anymore?

>> No.16704973

>>16704056
Wife who held a cute fish mouth?

>> No.16704989

まるで私がテレビを見て来たミーハーみたいじゃないか。夕方に行ったからすぐ座れたけど、お昼過ぎはテレビの影響でかなり混雑していた模様。でも私基準で考えると、こんなの汚いうちに入らない。「汚い」と「古い」は違うんだぜ。

http://nipponnostalgie.hatenablog.com/entry/20100614/1276519120

I dont get the last part. Why is she saying dirt is different from old?

>> No.16704998

>>16701122
I liked axanael, it was a lot of fun and really easy to read.

>> No.16705006

I'm going to learn Japanese.

>> No.16705010
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>>16704672
Here is an easy but kind of shitty workaround.

>> No.16705209

>>16704989
ぶんしょうはわかるけど

なにがいいたいのかは

あたしにもよくわからないよ

リンク先は読まないよ

>> No.16705227

Does anyone happen to know the hook code for まいてつ?

I've done some googling but all I can find is people asking for it.

>> No.16705340 [DELETED] 

先ほど今日のオナニー4回目が終了した。痛いよ、5回は試してみたいけどペニスはそろそろ壊れちゃう。どうすればいい?ロリはエロすぎだよ、俺の性欲は走り回っている。

>> No.16705350

>>16705340
何読んでるの?

>> No.16705358
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>> No.16705380

>>16705350

別に一つだけもんじゃない。普通にexhentaiで様々な作品をさがしてった。俺にとって、オナニーと勉強は別な物だ。時々英語で読んでる、それとも映像だけを見て何も読まないw。

>> No.16705426

>>16704989
The TV segment that he's referring to features filthy restaurants, and this particular cafe that he visited appeared on it. But he wants to say that this restaurant is just old, not dirty. So, "there's a difference between being dirty and being old."

>> No.16705560

>>16705358
無罪なし

>> No.16705636
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16705636

Is it possible to texthook VNs on Gahnoo/Loonix or should I not even waste my time trying?

>> No.16705655

>>16705636
You shouldn't waste your time playing porno games.
Download textbooks. When you're finished with those, read actual literature.

>> No.16705675
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16705675

>> No.16705724

>>16705655
If I wanted to read books, I would have learned English.

>> No.16705788

>>16705675
おみずなら10万くらいで手打ちじゃない

>> No.16705838

>>16705006
Probably not desu.

>> No.16705855

おねえちゃんおなかすいた

かたたたきするから

ごはんつくって

>> No.16705886
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>> No.16705904

夏の太陽が嫌いなロシア人は少ない

夏の太陽が好きな日本人も少ない

>> No.16706038

>>16705886
What the fuck is 組換微?

>> No.16706053

>>16706038
よくみて

くみかえ微生物だよ

>> No.16706254

>>16705636
Only through wine or with a memory hooker you make yourself.

>> No.16706289

>>16705636
ITHVNR runs in recent versions of wine.

>> No.16706387

庭には二羽鶏が居る

>> No.16706454

>>16706387
にわにね

にわ

にわとりが

いたためしがないよ

>> No.16706460
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16706460

>>16704056

(私は)口が魚っぽい妻が欲しい。

>> No.16706471

>>16705788
"付き合い"っていう意味次第だね

>> No.16706472
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16706472

>>16706460
くちがさかなっぽいといえば

ぼす

>>16706471
ぎょうかんよんでね

たぶんゴムなしだよ

>> No.16706564
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16706564

>> No.16706610

>>16706564
lol so funny !!

>> No.16706888 [DELETED] 

How many kanji do Japanese kids now before starting school?
Also I wanted to write this question in Japanese, but I couldn't figure out the right counter for "how many kanji", does anyone which it is?

>> No.16706903

How many kanji do Japanese kids know before starting school?
Also I wanted to write this question in Japanese, but I couldn't figure out the right counter for "how many kanji", does anyone know which it is?

>> No.16706919

小学校の入学した前に、子供は漢字が何字を知ってる?

>> No.16706957 [DELETED] 

What is 驚きがぶり?

>> No.16707155

>>16706610
And so true.

>> No.16707187

A lot of people here use VNs to practice their reading but what about regular video games? Anything you'd recommend for starters?

>> No.16707192

>>16707187
No. Go read instead.

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>>16706903
Maybe this is relevant? I found it in an おみやげほん left by a homestay student who stayed with my family when I was a kid. I'm not sure whether these kanji are for the start of the first year of school or the end though.

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16707231

>>16707187

Fortune summoners.

>> No.16707244
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16707244

does the second panel really say that?

>> No.16707256

>>16706903
I don't know how many kanji kids might unofficially know before starting school, but in their first year they learn all of the kanji that are in >>16707224 because they aren't required to know any kanji going into school.

>> No.16707263

>「犬に足を噛み千切られたと思って、諦めようぜ」
Is there some obscure idiom here I'm missing? "Think of it as if a dog chewed off your leg" doesn't make much sense, and google isn't giving any further hints. Context is the speaker refusing to take responsibility for some shit that happened to the girl he's talking to.

>> No.16707264

>>16707231
This is the only game I would recommend off the top of my head and only because it has furigana and is easy.

>> No.16707274

>>16707263
The speaker is trying to be profound and metaphorical but actually just sounds like an idiot. He's basically just trying to say しょうがない

>> No.16707294

>>16707274
That makes sense. Thanks. Saying nonsensical stuff while trying to make it sound like a wise idiom does seem like typical eroge humor now that I think about it.

>> No.16707321

>>16707244
I don't see why not. I think it's more like "thanks to which, I didn't get to come and see you again", but that's splitting hairs a little bit.

>> No.16707335

>>16707321
Thanks, yeah it actually made sense once I read the next pages.

>> No.16707421
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>> No.16707427

>>16707421
look, another troll chart created by someone who hasn't read anything he lists

>> No.16707435

>>16707427
Congratulations, you have a brain.

>> No.16707439

>>16707244
I remember posting about how confusing that page seemed to me last year and now it's easy.

Not sure which you're using, but if you're going to check against a translation make sure to use the official Yen Press one on bakabt.

>> No.16707485

>>16707427
Anything to get away from hanahira.

>> No.16707488

>>16707421
>wanting a short VN

This is a mistake. At beginner or intermediate level you want works that are as long as possible, so you spend less time getting used to the vocabulary, context and writing style, and spend more time reading relatively fluently and consuming material at the highest rate that you can with the best comprehension you can manage.

>> No.16707504

>>16707488
>wanting a long VN
This is a mistake. At beginner level you want works that are as short as possible, so you spend less time exposing yourself to the vocabulary and writing style of a single work, and move on earlier to reading harder works, where you can learn new words and grammar at the highest rate that you can early on with the least stress.

>> No.16707561

>>16707504
Please read an article or two on how and why extensive reading works, then come back and write your argument again.

>> No.16707573

>>16707561
Fallacy: starting with short games doesn't mean you don't do extensive reading.

>> No.16707580

Anyone else applied for July JLPT in London

>> No.16707593

>>16707573
No, but it does mean you will take longer to reach a point of relative fluency where you can start reaping the benefits.

>> No.16707606

>>16707580
i dont need a fucken test to play hentai games

>> No.16707609

>>16707593
That statement literally doesn't mean anything what all. What is "relative fluency"? How are you defining "reaping the benefits"?

When it comes to what you acquire from them, there is more difference among long games than there is between short games and long games. Even if short games are somehow worse for learning than long games, which they're not, you have done nothing to prove the fact, not even show an anecdote.

>> No.16707634

>>16707488
You don't read X games per month. You read X text per month. If that text is spread out among several short games, you're being exposed to different sorts of writing in the same amount of time. If that text is spread out among a few long games, you're being exposed to more more variety within the same sort of writing in the same amount of time. There is no tangible difference between the two for anyone but the most advanced learner.

No, "you spend less time getting used to the vocabulary" is not an argument. If the time you spend learning vocabulary from what you read is still so significant that being dragged outside of your vocabulary comfort zone is an inconvenience, then it literally doesn't matter what you read.

Short games are recommended to actual beginners because they're compact by virtue of being short. Actual beginners struggle to read literally anything, letting them get through the story faster is obviously a good thing.

>> No.16707667

so
佐藤さんが英語で、ジェイソンが日本語で話すというおかしな会話になった。

why not のは or ことが/は instead of という?

Does という here function similarly?

>> No.16707773
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16707773

I heard rumors of a KKLC Anki deck floating around somewhere in the wild...

>> No.16707774

>>16707773
It exists. It doesn't have the mnemonics though.

>> No.16707820

>>16707774
That's fine with me. Do you have it by any chance? ᴾᶫᵉᵃˢᵉ﹖

>> No.16707824

>>16707820
It's not even rare, you can find it on the ankiweb shared decks page.

>> No.16707836

>>16706564
The third one isn't even hard, it just has a lot of newspaper words. It's all common kanji and formal grmmar.

>> No.16707841

>>16707609
>What is "relative fluency"?
It means exactly what it appears to mean: being able to read faster and with better comprehension than you would otherwise.

As you read through a given text you will get more and more used to the vocabulary and writing style, and thanks to this you will be able to read faster and consume more material in the same space of time, this should be self-evident. Also, if you're seeing the same words and grammatical structures come back again a few times, as is more likely to happen as you read fewer and longer stories, then you will have more opportunities to get the nuances of those words and structures and get a feel for where they tend to be used.

I'd like to insert a qualification here that you also shouldn't stick to a single work so long that you can't blast it off if it's too easy, but this isn't usually a concern for beginners. The main point I am making is that deliberately seeking out something short is a mistake, we probably all agree that the best thing is just to read what you want.

>> No.16707842

>>16707836
>It's all common kanji
And if someone only knows the kanji and not the words, it's going to read like Jabberwocky.

>He took his vorpal sword in hand:
>Long time the manxome foe he sought—
>So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
>And stood awhile in thought.

>And as in uffish thought he stood,
>The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
>Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
>And burbled as it came!

The individual parts of the words make sense but the words aren't actually comprehensible unless you know them.

>> No.16707846

>>16707824
Thanks anon

>> No.16707866

>>16707841
>As you read through a given text you will get more and more used to the vocabulary and writing style
This means you're learning less, not learning better. Which isn't actually important to anyone unless they're advanced. It's not an argument either way for beginners, they read so slowly that even by the end of a single long VN it's going to be very slow for them.

>Also, if you're seeing the same words and grammatical structures come back again a few times, as is more likely to happen as you read fewer and longer stories, then you will have more opportunities to get the nuances of those words and structures and get a feel for where they tend to be used.
This only comes into play if you know enough of the language. In fact, repeatedly exposing yourself to the same things if you don't know enough of the general language will make you acquire them incorrectly. Think of how many ESLs have weird ideas about english because they read lots and lots of technical writing but no fiction. And again, nuance is something that only matters to advanced learners, maaaybe intermediate if it's a common nuance.

>The main point I am making is that deliberately seeking out something short is a mistake, we probably all agree that the best thing is just to read what you want.
People who use rec charts don't know "what they want". There's a reason they contain so many games. Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise.

>> No.16707924

>>16707866
>beginners aren't allowed to learn any nuance because they won't get it perfect straight away

>> No.16707928

>>16707924
Who are you quoting?

>> No.16707948

>>16707924
A beginner won't even pick up nuance, let alone incorrectly. If you can pick up nuance you're not a beginner anymore.

>> No.16707954

Are there any good etymology sites for Japanese words in English?

>> No.16707956

>>16707954
Wiktionary, otherwise you're screwed.

>> No.16707972

>>16707948
If you're so much of beginner that you can't even pick up a single bit of nuance, then you should be doing core and reading only as a light amusement

>> No.16707980

>>16707972
>then you should be doing core and reading only as a light amusement
This is, in fact, what people are referring to when they talk about "the very first thing someone should read".

>> No.16708041 [DELETED] 
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Damn this VN is pretty good so far EVEN THOUGH I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING IT SAYS CAUSE I FUCKING DON'T KNOW JAPANESE FUCK WHY WASN'T I BORN JAPANESE FUCK WHY WHY WHY WHY FUCK MY LIFE I HATE YOU OP AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU IN THIS THREAD WHO KNOWS JAPANESE AND ARE ABLE TO ENJOY AND PLAY THEIR VNS I FUCKING HATE ALL OF YOU YOU FUCKING FUCKS I HOPE SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY OP AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS THREAD. WHY DIN'T YOU MAKE ME JAPANESE KAMI SAMA? WHY OP? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE JAPANESE AND MAKE VN THREADS AND THEN ENJOY YOURSELF EACH DAY PLAYING ALL THOSE VNS? WHY IS IT YOU AND NOT ME OP? WHY? FUCK YOU OP AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THESE THREAD. FUCK YOU.

>> No.16708058

>>16708041
>KAMI SAMA
See, you're already halfway there.

>> No.16708067 [DELETED] 

>>16708041
The janitors have no sense of humor anymore.
>>/jp/thread/10538432#p10549698

>> No.16708127 [DELETED] 

i think its cool to strangle a board thats already dead to discourage posting generally

>> No.16708256

>>16708041
>KAMI SAMA
See, you're already halfway there.

>> No.16708452

When is 際 read as さい or きわ? I thought that the latter was more "physical" like edge or brink, while the former was more of a time or moment. But apparently きわ also has "moment of" when you hover over it so I'm confused.
>本来この近辺で地震の際の避難場所に指定されているのは[...]
For example here.

>> No.16708459

>>16708452
Normally pronounced さい when it's a standalone word.

>> No.16708650

>>16707667
>佐藤さんが英語で、ジェイソンが日本語で話すというおかしな会話になった。
The whole front portion of the sentence is a description. Think if it like this.

おかしな会話になった。
What kind of おかしな会話 specifically?

The 佐藤さんが英語で、ジェイソンが日本語で話す
kind of (という)おかしな会話
になった。

Adding のは would make the phrase a noun, which it isn't. It's essentially acting as an adjective for 会話.

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抽象的
象徴的

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Damn this VN is pretty good so far

>> No.16708964

>>16708963
Stop.

>> No.16708970

>>16708964
you stop

>> No.16708975

>>16708964
What?

>> No.16708979 [DELETED] 

>>16708963
also i cant read this whats that moe bitch with the bandaids saying

>> No.16708984

>>16708979
The protagonist is narrating about the girl.

なのに、こいつときたらまるで捨てられた子犬のような目で、俺を見つめていやがる。

>> No.16708993 [DELETED] 

>>16708984
oh haha ive only been learning katanakana for about a month and i havent even thought about kanjis yet

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>>16708975
"www"

>> No.16709006

>>16709003
Have you read it?

>> No.16709015 [DELETED] 

>>16708993
perhaps reddit is more your pace bro

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>>16709006
Nope.

>> No.16709023

>>16709019
>picking the bully options
A true monster.

>> No.16709059 [DELETED] 

>>16709015
r/learnjapanese全然美味しくねぇ

>> No.16709319

Is LingQ worth it or is Steve memeing on me?

>> No.16709341

>>16709319
Not for Japanese.

>> No.16709346

>>16709319
Take everything Steve says about LingQ with a grain of salt, it's his site after all.

>> No.16709455 [DELETED] 

>>16709319
No, the LinQ shilling he does is just an expression of his Jew genes, he can't help it. Ignore it and focus on what he says about compelling content.

>> No.16709598

Recommend some listening practice that is purely audio, and is not some boring conversation between biru san and arisu san

>> No.16709603

>>16709598
https://mega.nz/#!JpEwkYAS!yxFspMY3jhNx4zPdRr2G3WtGkn32hUZt3eTM_evorws

>> No.16709632

>>16709598
youtu.be/ss4a4Iu1G-Y#t=64s

>> No.16709636

>>16709598
Someone posted this in a previous thread, it's pretty cool. http://www.nhk.or.jp/radionews/

>> No.16709656

>>16709603
>>16709632
>>16709636
thanks senpaitachi

>> No.16709659

>>16709598
Seperate the audio from anime you have already watched and play the video in your mind

>> No.16709697

>>16709598
Just listen to some jolly old songs and sing along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVdYES-i35Y

>> No.16709732

>>16709697
yeah dude youtu.be/HMU8Iq6CgBE

>> No.16709734

https://sociorocketnews.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/gtsutsui7.jpg?w=1160&h=1078

what does the 3rd line say it looks like 差し障し but its so sloppily written.

I get its just saying "leave your contact info so we can call with new location"

>> No.16709758

>>16709732
You can't even hear the lyrics for shit. The classics are the place to go here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCTOU0S3wqU

>> No.16710028

>>16709758
I can't understand any of that shit.

>> No.16710092

>>16709734
差し障り無ければ

>> No.16710388

>>16707231
Where can I download this?

>> No.16710390

DUDES!
For the past couple days, my Anki real time import has not been downloading audio. No errors or anything. In the field on the card it has what would be the proper audio file name, but that file doesn't exist. And at the same time, disturbingly, when I Check Media, and there's the section "Used on cards but missing from media folder", the missing audio files aren't even there.
What gives...?

>> No.16710391

>>16710390
hard drive is failing dude better take it to the 医師

>> No.16710396

>>16710390
Some words just don't have audio, but real-time import adds the file path to the card anyway. Does the audio play when you press F?

>> No.16710400

>>16710396
That's the scary part, the words I'm adding do indeed have audio.

>> No.16710453

>>16709023
Maybe he wasn't hungry.

>> No.16710462

>>16710400
I think during some recent update, they changed the location of media folders. Used to be in documents, but now it's in appdata.

>> No.16710469

>>16710462
Ah, that must be it! So the real time import must still be importing to that old location...? But then how does one change the real time import import location?

>> No.16710472

>>16710469
It's probably hardcoded. Are you using the latest rikaisama? Maybe they updated it.

>> No.16710481

>>16710472
I shall obtain the latest Rikaisama version and find out.

>> No.16710488

>>16710472
>>16710481
Fug
No luck.
Well, I could probably revert to an older Anki version or something before the media location change.

>> No.16710490

千切り
千切る

why

>> No.16710501

>>16710488
You could always just change the audio save location in rikaisama

>> No.16710508

>>16710490
noun
verb

why

>> No.16710514

>>16710508
千切り is clearly just steam noun form of 千切る, but the readings are different for no particular reason.

>> No.16710518

>>16710501
OH, I feel foolish for not just looking there... Thanks guy

>> No.16710533

>>16710514
千切る is ateji and is not usually used.

>> No.16710535

>>16710514
>千切り is clearly just steam noun form of 千切る
It's not, also 千切る is the irregular reading here

>> No.16710536

What is the setting I most likely accidentally fucked with that would give my cards 999% ease?

>> No.16710538

>>16710536
Options > reviews > easy bonus
maybe?

>> No.16710545

>みんなの総意みたいに言うやつほんときもいな
Whew what a roast DJT

>> No.16710588
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16710588

>studying with 風邪
死にたい

>> No.16710603

>>16710588
お大事に

>> No.16710617

>>16710588
風邪 makes study impossible. rip to anki streak due to 風邪

>> No.16710649

>>16710603
>>16710617
ありがとう
そして、おやすみ

>> No.16710915

>>16710588
>>16710649
おにいちゃんいっしょにねよ

かぜうつしていいよ

>> No.16710955

Can anyone help me with getting Flyable Heart to work with Wine?

I managed to install it, but it complains to me that the disk isn't mounted and won't let me run it. The thing is, I do have the disk mounted, but it seems either Flyable Heart or Wine can't detect it.

>> No.16710969

>>16710955
Yeah don't use a Mac.

>> No.16710973

>>16710969
I'm not on a Mac.

>> No.16711102

>取れないかさぶたのように
>取れないかさぶた
What's this?

>> No.16711145

>>16711102
A scab that won't go away, I think.

>> No.16711176

>>16711102
とれそうでとれないかさぶたは

むりにとると

出血する

>> No.16711195

>一から九まで順番に状況が進んでいるのに、次に十が来て意外なことのように驚いたり、かと思うと一が始まった瞬間に十でしょと言い当てたりするのだ。

I understand the first part but not the one after the second comma help

>> No.16711405
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16711405

What's 用が入った supposed to mean here?

>(about) Anda? (s/he's) Still (not here)?
>Ah, s/he said since s/he has business to enter(???) s/he's not coming
>that guy/woman is useless

I figured it might be a set expression but I can't seem to find it in any dictionaries.

>> No.16711423

>>16711405
Learn katakana. Then go reread Tae Kim.

>> No.16711424

>>16711405
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be something sexual.

>> No.16711449

>>16711423
I don't see how rereading Tae Kim is going to help me understand this. It's not a grammar problem.

>>16711424
I dunno, it doesn't really seem appropriate to the material for that to be it.

>> No.16711450

>>16711449
Yeah it is.

>> No.16711453

>>16711450
n't

>> No.16711458

>>16711405
It's like "business came up".

>> No.16711466

>>16711449
>It's not a grammar problem.

It is a bit because が indicates that 用 is doing the entering, not Yanda.

>> No.16711474

>>16711449
You can't learn Japanese.

>> No.16711507

Knowing Chinese is so great when learning Japanese. Not having to learn kanji is liberating, and the Japs were too lazy to change the meaning of most words from their original Chinese meaning bless them.

Why aren't you trilingual anons?

>> No.16711554

>>16709758
That was really good. Thanks for this.

>> No.16711568

>>16711507

Learning Japanese from English provides the greater overall benefit because you have to become accustomed to a very different way of doing everything.

It makes learning other Indo-European languages extremely easy and gives a good ability to understand supposedly incomprehensible English.

>> No.16711570 [DELETED] 

>>16711507
The disadvantage is that you're an ugly chink lol

>> No.16711586

>>16711507
>Not having to learn kanji is liberating
You don't know chinese.

>> No.16711631

>>16711507
>Why aren't you trilingual anons?
What sort of retarded logic is this?

>> No.16711648

>>16711405
ほら!もう一回男の言った「わ」という終助詞が見つかった!今度はどういう意味だろ?この言い方は本当に普通かな?

>> No.16711659

>>16711648
that was pretty embarrassing.

>> No.16711674

>>16711659
下手くそ日本語力は申し訳ありません

>> No.16711702
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16711702

>everyone seems to be more efficient at studying than you

>> No.16711706

>>16711702
Read more.

>> No.16711740

I can kind of guess what they're talking about in most of these scenes, but I wish I understood the dialogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IrumH7yLBY

>> No.16711766 [DELETED] 

What would you say would be harder?

Becoming a Lawyer or learning Japanese?

or does both take the same amount of effort?

>> No.16711771 [DELETED] 

>>16711766
learning languages isn't "hard" it just takes time

these questions go onto /int/ by the way, not here.

>> No.16711776

>>16711702

I think those that proclaim their ridiculous efficiency are beginners who don't realise what they're getting into and will just burnout and leave when it gets difficult.

The thread often struggles to answer even basic questions, so there's definitely not many intermediates here.

>> No.16711861

Anyone's got a premade RTK lite deck? I kinda want to have a whirl at it (already done with Genki and TK's grammar) and storm through it in two weeks before getting down to core2k. I'm not too keen on making it myself, and it's no longer available no matter where I search. Anyone mind giving me a hand here?

>> No.16711909

>>16711861
It's in the OP. And doing 150 cards a day is going to result in burn-out.

>> No.16711922

>>16711861
>two weeks in
>still hasn't started core
>lone kanji studying
>ankidrone
Nice you went wrong everywhere you can go wrong.

>> No.16711925

>>16711861
Let me save you some trouble.
https://mega.nz/#F!fV4mUBiC!RQZh2p90oRHoaKHuuRVq8w

>> No.16711951
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16711951

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-P22bwWmoo

Pretty comfy. I wish I could understand it though.

>> No.16711969

>>16711909
The full version is in the OP. I need the lite one.
>>16711922
Maybe, but I'm still going and in the right direction, too!
>>16711925
Not what I had politely asked for. I like the art though, so I just might try it once, you know, I can actually parse the text.

>> No.16711980

>>16711969
>Maybe, but I'm still going and in the right direction, too!
You're going in exactly the wrong direction.

>Not what I had politely asked for. I like the art though, so I just might try it once, you know, I can actually parse the text.
RTK won't help you parse sentences, and any words with kanji have full furigana in ZR so you don't have to know kanji to understand what people are saying.

Learning kanji doesn't teach you japanese, and trying to go through RTK in two weeks is downright silly. You're about to waste a lot of time.

>> No.16712024

>>16711980
>You're going in exactly the wrong direction.
I know more than I did a month ago. And a month from now I'm going to know more than I do now. It's not the most optimal approach, sure, but I want to try doing it my way.
>You're about to waste a lot of time.
I wasted 8 years of my life playing WoW. Wasting a month or two by assuming the wrong approach to learning a language is what I can live with.

I just want to spend two or three weeks on studying 1k kanji out of context. I have a lot of time, too, since the shift system at my work is essentially "a month at work, a month at home". Just a whim of mine to finish that deck even if it ends up being completely useless in the long run.

>> No.16712030

>>16711980
I'm not sure what RTK lite is, but it sounds like a cut down RTK that focuses mainly on radicals. Doing that kind of thing might not actually be a bad idea, I studied radicals for two weeks before moving onto vocabulary and it definitely felt like it helped, and even if it turns out to be totally useless two weeks isn't much in the scheme of things.

>> No.16712031

>>16712024
You could do a better whim and memorize 1k words or something. In fact, that would be enough to let you read simple material with similar comprehension to nonsense poetry. 1k kanji doesn't even bring you close to ghat.

>> No.16712036

>>16712030
I studied radicals in a single week and it took like five minutes a day.

>> No.16712038
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16712038

>date - vn reading time - lines - symbols - size
>11.03.2017 - 01:13 - 451 - 10673 - 23kb
>12.03.2017 - 02:22 - 1067 - 23934 - 50kb
>14.03.2017 - 01:15 - 660 - 15144 - 32kb

Seeing your improvements in actual data feels good. I was really surprised 10kb jump at the same amount of time. The first day was towards the beginning of the VN so I might be just getting used to the authors style and/or stumbled upon a block of slightly easier text, but still.

>> No.16712043

>>16712038
Weapons-grade hikineet-tism.

>> No.16712081

>>16712030
It's a narrow selection of most commonly used kanji and a supplementary set of radicals to help you out with other kanji not included in the deck.
>>16712031
I know, and I have no intention to argue against your reasoning since it's perfectly correct. But I will do that goddamn deck just because I want to. Fuck reason and logic.

>> No.16712087
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16712087

>>16712081
You passed the test. Radical freedom. Just learn japanese. Just don't turn into picture related.

>> No.16712129

>>16712036
Well done you. I was doing both recognition and production style cards because I thought writing would be fun, and I was also kind of taking it easy because I wasn't sure how overwhelming anki would be, so granted of course I could have got that part over with a bit faster.

>> No.16712176
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16712176

I want to hypnotize girls!
>>16712038
I used to keep a log of everything I read but I started reading so much it was bothersome to keep track. Never down to the KB though, just VNs and manga in general.
By the way, easy text is a pretty significant issue, not to try and discredit you or anything, but writing style really does very a lot. I've read a VN with multiple authors, and one author *consistently* wrote lines *twice* as long as the other.

>> No.16712188

>>16711776
>The thread often struggles to answer even basic questions, so there's definitely not many intermediates here.
But anon, everyone's an intermediate. "Intermediate" is defined as "the level I'm at", after all.

>> No.16712198

>>16712081
>But I will do that goddamn deck just because I want to. Fuck reason and logic.
When you fail, or succeed but mostly just wasted your time, will you still say this, or will you silently give up Japanese? Just remember, either way, you asked for this.

>> No.16712269 [DELETED] 
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16712269

Fresh off the presses.

>> No.16712276

>>16712198
I don't think two weeks wasted not learning any Japanese is enough to make a person give up. It's the people who study Heisig's retarded shit for 3 months without learning a single word that I worry for.

>> No.16712281
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16712281

Fresh off the presses. Messed up a name.

>> No.16712284

>>16712281
"Epic". "Deep".

>> No.16712295

What's this "お母さんさん" shit? Some doubly polite version of an already polite word?

>> No.16712305

>>16712295
Where did you see that?

>> No.16712315

>>16712305
In DoJG.

>> No.16712333

>>16712315
Did you consider that it might just be a typo?

>> No.16712334

>>16712295
Just a typo.

>> No.16712341

>>16712333
Who am I to doubt the wisdom of the greatest resource out there?
>>16712334
Fair enough.

>> No.16712347

>>16712341
Did you just contradict your self in one post?

>> No.16712350

>>16712341
>Who am I to doubt the wisdom of the greatest resource out there?
Doubt everything.

Everything.

>> No.16712356

>>16712350
I doubt this post, therefore I will not doubt everything.

>> No.16712359
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16712359

>>16712347
No?

>> No.16712362

>>16712087
>>16712281
those are pretty funny.

>> No.16712363

>>16712356
Your logic is out of order and invalid.

>> No.16712366

>>16712363
I highly doubt it.

>> No.16712461

>>16712176
Yeah I don't track every time I read. For example, the 13th was skipped in that data but I read like 3 hours then. Also the above was all from the same VN/writer who also likes his 3-line-sentences a lot...

>> No.16712482

Does anyone else often mix up ま and も?

>> No.16712535

>>16712482
What sort of retard would do such a thing?

>> No.16712673

>>16712535
Me.

>> No.16712720
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16712720

How to say "who opened the window" vs "who opened the windows" ?

>> No.16712730
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16712730

I can't really wrap my head around the way this example is phrased...
"he didn't choose a means to achieve his goals?"

wasn't there an easier way to convey the same idea?

>> No.16712769

>>16712720
窓たち

>> No.16712775

>>16712730
手段を選ばない is just a phrase for "do whatever it takes" / "by any means".
Don't translate it literally.

>> No.16712800

>>16712775
Ah damn okay, thanks

>> No.16712835

>>16712775

I don't see what is wrong with the literal translation.

>> No.16712854

>>16712835
I'm not sure I believe you.

>> No.16712885

誰でもどんなときでも自分のチンコを撫でるのは自分しかいないんですよね

>> No.16712904

>>16712038
Which VN?

>>16712341
>Who am I to doubt the wisdom of the greatest resource out there?
If you are using the DoJG site (djt.neocities.org), that was OCR'd and manually checked by an anon, so it might have some typos.

>> No.16712917
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16712917

>>16712904
>Which VN?
Dies irae

>> No.16712938

>>16712917
oh i didnt know that game came in chinese

>> No.16712958
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16712958

>>16712938
You have to be fluent in Chinese and memorized the entire Kojiki in order to be able to understand even a fraction of Dies on even the surface level. That's why it's so hard.

But don't be afraid. Steel your resolve and overcome all obstacles.

>> No.16712991

>>16712958
the only thing ill steel is my wang due to エレオノーレs 美味しいそう bacon 顔

>> No.16712998

Little-known fact: Masada-dono was once a strong contender for the Nobel Prize in Literature and Japan's own Naoki Prize, but ultimately didn't win because no one in either committee had the level of reading comprehension or education necessary to really start to approach interpreting and understanding Dies irae on anything but a surface level.

>> No.16713023

>>16712998
More like the little education they had was stooped in existing traditional canon and only considers old things and old-styled things to be literature.

>> No.16713030

the thing i hated most about dies irae was how much boring useless text i had to autoskip just to get to the hentai parts

>> No.16713109

>日
>曰

Literally indistinguishable.

>> No.16713114

Has anyone here majored in language studies? Thinking about it because languages is the only thing that interest me academically and i have no idea what i would like to do otherwise.

>> No.16713116

>>16713109

I don't think there's any context where it's actually confusable, though.

>> No.16713118

>>16713109
True. Fortunately, 日く is not a word.

>> No.16713119

>>16713114
Linguistics. Not language. Language isn't an academic subject and majoring in it will only bring you disappointment. You want linguistics.

>> No.16713120

>>16713114
get a degree that actually makes money then go back for the thing u actually like later

>> No.16713127

Are there any good OCR readers for PC? I tried out KanjiTomo, but I'm not liking the results it's giving me. The thing constantly misreads kanji and causes my shitty PC to slow to a crawl.

>> No.16713129

>>16713127
capture2text

>> No.16713136

>>16712958
Does this mean that for all those words I encounter with "(uk)" written next to them, I have to mine them with r and not t if I ever want to read dies irae?

>> No.16713161

>>16713127
There is no good OCR reader, because there is no good OCR for japanese. Even the best ones will misread kanji about half the time. If you're ever able to OCR something cleanly just think of it as a bonus.

>> No.16713164

>三日坊主

This is me. There is no word in the Japanese language that is more me than this.

>> No.16713169

>>16706564
Does Amakano have furigana over the kanji?

>> No.16713176

>>16712730
He wasn't selective about his methods.

>> No.16713197

>>16713164

こっちも同様だ。

日本語には一番長く諦めなかった趣味。ゲムやアニメ以外だけど。

>> No.16713202

>>16713136
Even if a word is usually kana, you should always mine the kanji.

>> No.16713245

>>16713202
Problem is that most of them have 3 different ways to write in kanji and no way to tell which of them is actually used.

>> No.16713257 [DELETED] 

おはようおにいちゃん

このすば2きどう?

>> No.16713259

>>16713164
>ゲイ

This is me. There is no word in the Japanese language that is more me than this.

>> No.16713270

>>16713257
悪くない
でもクズの本懐のほうが面白いよ

>> No.16713275

>>16713202
Nice in principle, but every new kanji means more time spent in anki. Since I am only at the 4000-5000 word mark, memorising kanji I am probably not going to see even a year hence seems like a very poor use of my time right now.

>> No.16713298 [DELETED] 

>>16711771
I'm still confused by that... why are there two djt threads? What's the difference?

>> No.16713306

>>16713245

See which gets the most google results.

>>16713275

I find it generally easier to get the card if it is kanji, rather than kana only.

>> No.16713309 [DELETED] 

>>16713298
think of it like when god split homo sapiens asses to have 2 cheeks

>> No.16713308 [DELETED] 

>>16713298
The /int/ thread is essentially DJT exclude /jp/ include /r9k/.
This thread is basically DJT include /jp/ exclude /r9k/.
The old DJT on /a/ had both and the lack of heavy /a/ content got it kicked out.

>> No.16713380 [DELETED] 

ホモがきらいなじょしなんていません

>> No.16713427
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16713427

can someone with share set up get this for me

alternatively an idiot proof guide on how to set it up would also be appreciated

>> No.16713435

>>16713427
How to set up share: Find it, download it, port forward. Add yourself to some common clusters. Start a search. Wait. The moment your desired file shows up, initiate a download. If it doesn't show up, either it doesn't exist, share isn't working correctly, or you're not in the right clusters.

>> No.16713464

Before starting the core2k/6k I have these questions:

1-Should I use 'show new cards in random order' or 'order added'?
2-When I see a new card, I am supposed to hit good button right? Afterwards I can hit again with no problem if I don't remember her?
3-About the sentences example on each card, should I learn them too?

>> No.16713501

>>16713464
Order added. The cards are generally sorted by frequency (generally it's advised that after about 2k cards is around when one should start reading, though it's definitely possible to do so much earlier). Personally, I hit again until I remember it well enough (otherwise you're just delaying the process by 4 hours).

The sentence examples are only there for context. There's no need to memorize them.

>> No.16713516

>>16713464
Added. Correct. No.

>> No.16713524

>>16713427
Here is a guide on how to set it up:
http://p2pjapan.blogspot.ca/2008/03/share-ex2-guide.html

>> No.16713555

>>16711195
Right after you find yourself surprised at 10, you say that if it starts with 1, then of course 10 will come.

Check out the definitions for かと思うと.

>> No.16713571
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16713571

Guys I just want to know if my anki options have any problems or just read other suggestions too. pic related

>> No.16713590

>>16713571
leeches are a useful feature, disabling it just means you waste a lot of time on cards you just can't remember by brute force

>> No.16713605

>>16713257
/int/に行ったほうがいいかもね
ここなら日本語に無関係な書き込みは歓迎されないみたい
あそこのメイドは日本語が読めないから大丈夫だと思う

>> No.16713621

>>16713590
I thought the main objective of using core 2k was learning the first 2000 vocabs

>> No.16713634

>>16713621
It is, but it's also supposed to be efficient. Showing leeches just means that you expose yourself to them a lot unnecessarily. Anki is very much not optimized for leeches. It will show you them over and over again period, regardless of what the science says on material you're constantly exposed to, because leeches aren't part of its model of spacing.

>> No.16713711

>>16713571
Set more steps. An additional 30 minute step at the end would be good.
Up the new cards/day amount.
Your tag only for leeches is good. Don't listen to >>16713590.

>> No.16713725

>>16713711
Post your stats.

>> No.16713755

>>16713711
What this step(in minutes) do anyway?

>> No.16713758

>>16713245
I mine the version with the most kanji that has a sound in Rikaisama.

>> No.16713765

>>16713306
Google results are wildly inaccurate unfortunately.

>> No.16713776

>>16713755
When you next see the card again when learning it. The first number (1) is if you fail it. 20 if you pass it.
So: 1, 20, 30 would mean if you fail/press again, it'll show up in 1 minute. Good will mean it'll show up in 20 minutes, good on that review means it'll show up in 30. Good on the 30 minute review will mean you've finished learning the card and it'll get placed with the other cards due for review on whatever date.

Also consider adding a second step to the Steps (in minutes) on your lapses page.

>> No.16713787

>>16713765
As long as you put it in quotes and use the number google gives instead of trying to count results, google is accurate in terms of its indexed content. That index itself might be low quality for specific situations like memes or song titles, but that's about it.

>> No.16713804

I've only been doing anki for a couple weeks so far
This is the third time I've tried to start learning though.
I read through Tae Kim's guide
around when should I start trying to read things?

>> No.16713823

>>16713787
It actually is not accurate. They're just estimates and not very good ones.

>> No.16713827

>>16713804
When you finish reading Tae Kim's grammar guide. Get the Yotsubato reading pack or something.

>> No.16713835

>>16713621
And there will be some words in those 2000 that Anki simply won't be able to teach you, even if you see the same (probably bad) card every day.

Just let the leech feature suspend it and move on. If it's an important word you'll eventually learn it just from encountering it in contexts that are better than that Anki card. If it's not, why are you even bothering with that card?

>> No.16713840

>>16713823
It's much more accurate than you think. The question is what accurate means. Google will never underestimate how common something is, only overestimate.

>> No.16713887

>>16713840
It absolutely will underestimate, here's a quote from a google engineer:

>As to why the query [A B -C] can return more estimated results than [A B], that's easy to explain. The query [A B -C] causes us to go deeper through our posting lists looking for matches, which can lead to more accurate (and larger) results estimates. Other things can cause us to go deeper in finding matches, such as clicking deeper in search results.

>> No.16713899

>>16713887
That's not how databases work. That explanation is obviously meant to satisfy the non-tech-savvy. [A B -C] is overestimating, not the other way around. [A B -C] doesn't cause the query to "go deeper", it causes its heuristic for word aliasing to break. That's why the quotes are important, and I specifically said that you have to encapsulate the term in quotes.

>> No.16713928

No matter how much I read, even if my comprehension on begginer texts is miles ahead of what it was before, I still can't understand these completely, as in 100% of grammar and vocab. Is this normal?
nearing a year of study btw

>> No.16713932

>>16713928
Completely normal. Even if you think you do, you won't really have 100% grammar comprehension until you're nativelike, that's just how it is.

>> No.16713935

>>16713899
But he says [A B -C] is more accurate than [A B]. Unless you mean he's just lying about that.

Also, an example with quotes:
>So I did a search for ["danny sullivan"] and got 193,000 results. Then I did ["danny sullivan" -gerbils] and got 1620,000 results. That shouldn't be the case. I shouldn't get MORE results when I'm searching a previous set of results and asking for a subset without a particular word.

The difference isn't as dramatic now but it's still higher for the second query.

>> No.16713942

>>16713928
Clearly you aren't reading very much and/or you are stagnating by not upping the difficulty. Common trap people who follow the charts around here fall into.

>> No.16713943

>>16713935
[A B -C] might be more accurate than [A B] when you don't use quotes, because it affects how word aliasing works (like getting results for remedies if you search for cures), so he's not necessarily lying about that. But if you use quotes, the result count estimator's job is simply too simple to mess up. If ["A" -C] gives more results than ["A"], then either it's merely within the margin of error, or ["A" -C] is overestimating the number of results.

>> No.16713956
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>>16713942
Nichijou > Azumanga > Kino > Spice & Wolf
I don't follow any chart at all
I read everyday, at least 30 min, I would say I near a hour

>> No.16713965

>>16713956
... four things in a whole year, and two basically don't count as reading. You aren't even close to saying
>No matter how much I read

>> No.16713967

>>16713956
I see most people recommending several hours a day rather than just 1

>> No.16713981

>>16713965
>>16713967
more reading then
thanks

>> No.16713984

>>16713943
From the same engineer:
>Results estimates can also vary based on which data centers or indices your query hits, as well as what language you’re searching in.

Which I take to mean that searches can underestimate in the sense that every index doesn't have all the information. It does seem unlikely that this would lead to a difference of an order of magnitude.

Also, if queries can be overestimated, doesn't that mean that if you search for two terms in quotes, and the second one gives more hits, that count might be overestimated and actually in reality be less common than the first?

>> No.16713996

>>16713984
>Which I take to mean that searches can underestimate in the sense that every index doesn't have all the information. It does seem unlikely that this would lead to a difference of an order of magnitude.
That's very true. I'm using overestimate/underestimate in an extremely general sense, about the estimation itself, not the data it's working on or has access to.

>Also, if queries can be overestimated, doesn't that mean that if you search for two terms in quotes, and the second one gives more hits, that count might be overestimated and actually in reality be less common than the first?
Yes.

>> No.16714009

>>16713996
All right, thanks for your patience. I guess Google's position is that they consider the metrics generally useful even if they're flawed, so I guess in lieu of a better estimate it's not such a bad method after all.

>> No.16714024

Another idea for estimating which way to write a word is more common might be to use Google Trends. That should reflect what ordinary people use most of the time, and you even get a nice graph.

>> No.16714030

>>16713956
Strawberry marshmallow > Nichijou

>> No.16714064
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>>16714030

>> No.16714067

love hina > all that shit

>> No.16714074
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>>16714030

>> No.16714180

ok then, rate my new routine:
>0 new words on core6k
>10 new words on mining deck
>2 hours of reading
>1xF listening news as accessory work

>> No.16714187

>>16714180
Looks good senpai, make sure to actually read and not "read" though.

>> No.16714200

>>16714187
sure thing m8
however, "read" as in skimming or as in reading manga

>> No.16714224

>>16714200
Well both, but was referring to the latter. You don't wanna end up like >>16713956 after a whole year. Diversify your reading and keep challenging yourself.

>> No.16714338

>>16714224
stop bullying me for my bad life decisions

>> No.16714376

If I tag the cards that I know and reviewing them through the custom study during the day, it will be a problem, it will affect anki efficiency?

>> No.16714395

>>16714074
はかせパンツはいたほうがいいよ

>> No.16714410

>>16714376
It will have no long-term effect on your retention. It will increase your short-term retention. So, you can decide whether the time spent is worth easier short-term reviews. (Probably not, you should just read.)

>> No.16714424

>>16711507
As a beginner learner of Chinese I find that Chinese terms have slight, or even significant differences from their Japanese usage. As an example the meaning 勉強 has in Chinese seems to be only distantly related to its Japanese meaning. You probably won't guess 有意思 from Japanese either. Not to mention, the Japanese have so many more readings for their kanji, such as those for their native vocabulary. Without a doubt knowing Chinese would help a lot, but would it really make anything free?

>> No.16714429

>>16714424
No. The benefit chinese gives to japanese is marginal. It's similar to doing isolated kanji study for a long time without learning any actual japanese.

>> No.16714449

>>16714429
Won't it be funny to claim somewhere down the line that English is necessary for optimal study of Japanese for all those katakana loanwords.

>> No.16714701

I'm literally finishing Anki 6k before picking up my first VN to read. Witness me.

>> No.16714840

>>16714701
People have finished 6k/10k before even picking up a grammar guide. So good for you.

>> No.16714843

>>16714840
People have done both RTK and coreplus without learning anything about japanese grammar at all.

>> No.16714890
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16714890

あのさ

ポストってはつおんは

にほんだとこの画像の意味だよ

なんでここにかくことはポストなの

>> No.16714892

>>16714840
wtf were they thinking, all the connections for the words are just going to form themselves? im calling bullshit on that, maybe 2k or the tae kim deck, but not 6/10k

>> No.16714895

>>16714892
There's a hue over in /int/ doing the 10k.

>> No.16714904

>>16714890
なんで中心に二つがあるのよ
おかしい

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16714906

>>16714890
ポストとは書いた手紙に入れる箱
ある意味でこれと同じじゃないかなあって

>> No.16714958

>>16714895
Why would you know?

>> No.16714969

>>16714904
>なんでふたつあるのか

かたほうはあかちゃんポストになってるよ
>>16714906
いれるのはゆうびんぶつだよ

ぎゃく!

>> No.16714989

>>16714890
英語の "post" って単語は語源も意味もたくさんあるらしいので、別に気にしなくてもいいよね、と思うけど類義語のうちには”プラカード”というのがもっとも意味の近いかも

>> No.16715061

>>16702196
It's a simplification of earlier 恖, where 囟 was apparently phonetic in Old Chinese but also means "head" anyway, in a sense, like >>16702202 pointed out. God do I feel like a smartass for taking one look into a popular online dictionary and getting so triggered I reply to a several days old post.

>> No.16715077

>>16715061
Early hanzi construction loved giving phonetic radicals a double role as semantic radicals, it's great.

>> No.16715114

>>16715077
ですよねぇ。

You will never live in a time when Chinese writing was still struggling to evolve from highly ornamental squiggly lines and new characters were being invented by the day and rendered nearly unrecognisable from script to script. Funny to thing that this thousand(s) years old process was already complete by the time the Chinese language was introduced to Japan.

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>>16713956
>>16713967
>>16713981
I think something important to recognize in situations like this is that one's own perception of time may not be accurate. It may feel like you're reading for an hour, but you may actually be spending that hour browsing the internet without realizing how much time it's taking. Consider monitoring your time, through a program like ManicTime or through a simple stopwatch, and time how much you're actually reading. The results may shock you.

Additionally, just as a food for thought, I think 2-3 hours of reading/listening a day is a sort of bare minimum. Remember, Japanese natives are surrounded by Japanese 16 hours a day. While you naturally won't be progressing the same way or at the same speed as a native, it's an important factor to consider. If your hope is to be native-level in comprehension and production in Japanese, do you really think 30-some minutes a day exposure is enough?

>> No.16715138

>>16715133
What doujinshi is this from?

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>>16715138
My dear perverted friend, it's just a normal manga. Dagashi kashi.

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>>16713942
>Common trap people who follow the charts around here fall into.

>> No.16715308

>>16714989
ポストがカード?

いったい何カードなん

>> No.16715329

>>16715308
ある意味でカードにも見えるし

>> No.16715371

ちなみに4chanって掲示板とかいうものじゃなかったっけ

英語だとこの板に張り紙を付けてそれが”post”ってことになっているんだよね・・・

白人だから和製英語よくわからんけど

>> No.16715379

>>16715371
そうだけど
日本人は普通に書き込みとかを言うんだよね
だからポストを言っても日本人には通じない

>> No.16715389

>>16715379
なるほど

>> No.16715573

Dear Dudes.
The other day I posted about audio for new cards in my mining deck not downloading. I've since fixed that, since the Anki media folder changed and I just had to change the Rikaisama save folder too.

However, now that I've done that, the problem has reversed. Now all cards that previously had audio, no longer have audio.
Here's the really fucked up part: When I Check Media, under "In media folder but not used by any cards", all the audio files for the new cards I've added is listed. That is, the only audio that's working. In other words, the only audio files that *shouldn't* be listed, *are*. And here's another fucked up part. The old media folder doesn't even exist. Here's a supplemental fucked up part. The old media folder, the one supposed to be in my Documents, *never* existed and I never had any idea where Anki was getting its files. Because before, Rikaisama said it was saving to a media folder in my documents, but when I looked, nothing was there. So I have no idea where the old audio was really going.
The fuck is with this shit

>> No.16715575

>>16715573
You didn't change the file path in your old cards.

>> No.16715583

>>16715371
>>16715379
あたしたちにとって

ポストは

あかいはこ

だよ

>> No.16715587

>>16715575
I'm a bit confused. The audio for the old cards only stopped playing after I changed the Rikaisama path, and not after Anki updated to have its media folder changed.
How is the file path even specified for individual cards? All I see is a filename, I just assumed it grabbed that file from the one media folder and not from any arbitrary path

>> No.16715599

>>16715587
Never mind, I'm dumb. No idea, sorry.

>> No.16715606

>>16715587
>>16715573
>>16715599
I... fixed it.
For some bizarre reason, all the audio files were in my recycle bin. I never deleted them directly.
I'm guessing after the media folder moved, and I rebuilt the Anki database and checked the media and stuff, Anki automatically deleted the stuff that was in the old media folder, or something like that.
These are the perils of the Anki media folder being moved. Minasan, be warned.
And good night to all

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16715746

なにこれ

よめないけど

テキサスをなに?

>> No.16715774

>>16715746
男の健康は大切なことなのだ

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Has anyone here managed to run Hanahira through Wine?

It's seemingly failing to read a file called "TITLE", but no such file exists in the .rar I downloaded from nyaa, so I'm a bit stumped.

Before you ask, yes, I am running it with a Japanese locale.

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>>16715824
Oh, and here's the install directory.

Can anyone on Windows tell me if their install directory looks the same or if there are files missing from mine?

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>>16715828

>> No.16715873

>>16715869
>hanariha
>nova pasta

>> No.16715874

>>16715869
Thanks.

So it seems there isn't supposed to even be a file called TITLE. I don't understand what the problem is then...

>> No.16715930

>>16715874
You need to patch some files I think. I managed to do it, but ITHVNR didn't work for me. Just play the game in a VM.

>> No.16715975

>残念だこと

What grammar is this?

>> No.16716013

>>16715930
Which version of Windows do you use in VMs? I couldn't even get Windows 7 to install last time I tried.

>> No.16716017

>>16716013
Time to install a real OS on your computer.

>> No.16716033

>>16715975
Either a typo or you misread/misheard and it's actually 残念なこと or 残念だけど.

>> No.16716073

>>16716033
It's not a typo, the character says it more than once.

Yahoo answers says ~だこと is emphasis but I can't find anything authoritative or clearer

Just searching Xだこと gives several other examples, often in criticizing, holier-than-thou contexts

>> No.16716082

>>16715975
>>16716073
Just a guess, but perhaps it might be similar/equivalent to だもの?

>> No.16716121

>>16716082
Maybe in construction but this seems a lot rarer. Or at least, it's not how people actually talk.

I'm noticing the あらま/わたくし/ですわ 率 is rather high, so it seems like an ojou 語尾 of some sort. So I guess the grammar isn't that important.

>> No.16716151

>>16716073
Seems like it's just for emphasis. Some GG5 examples:

>いいにおいだこと. What a lovely smell! | How lovely it smells!
>まあいい天気だこと. Isn't it lovely weather! | What a lovely day!
>あら, かわいい犬だこと. What a lovely [sweet, cute] dog!

>> No.16716155

制限外の字はなに?

>> No.16716180

>>16716151
Full GG5 entry:

-こと (-koto)
〔感動・問いかけを表す〕
いいにおいだこと. What a lovely smell! | How lovely it smells!
・まあいい天気だこと. Isn't it lovely weather! | What a lovely day!
・あら, かわいい犬だこと. What a lovely [sweet, cute] dog!
・ここにごみを捨てちゃだめよ, いいこと? You can't throw away your trash here, all right? | This isn't the place for trash, do you see?

>> No.16716207

>>16716073
It looks like treating だ like a verb and using こと as a verb suffix. In that case, the grammatical meaning would be similar to ってこと, but it would ultimately be completely disconnected from original meaning in actual usage, judging from >>16716180.

I might be completely off, though. Not that it changes the actual usage either way.

>> No.16716217
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16716217

Is he agreeing that Fuuka isn't pretty here? Or is he simply acknowledging that, of the sisters, Fuuka isn't the prettiest one?

My understanding of the exchange?
>The one who isn't pretty?
>...That's right, but you shouldn't say it like that.

>> No.16716248

>>16716217
You can see 合う as meaning "it matches [the person I'm thinking about]". He'd be using something like 当たる if he was saying that her statement in itself is correct.

>> No.16716263

>>16716248
Ah, okay. Thank you.

>> No.16716282

>>16716013
Windows 7. I'm using VMware.

>> No.16716657

>>16715133
That's a loooong finger.

>> No.16716805

>>16715824
Update wine and invoke it with Japanese locale. Hanahira runs in wine.

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>> No.16716872

How do you get good at Japanese 'nuance'?

>> No.16716880

>>16716872
By reading a lot of different material and knowing a lot of japanese.

>> No.16716961

Im sure you guys probably hate beginners
or soon to be beginners
but
what is the best way to get down the kana?
Do you write the symbol, pronounce it, then move on to the next one, and then over again?

>> No.16716969

>>16716961
Notebook, pen, a stroke order chart, and https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html

>> No.16716978

>>16714449
While I wouldn't call English necessary, you'll have an easier time learning Japanese from English than from any other European language due to the availability of resources.

I empathize with the poor weebs trying to find a good grammar guide in Polish or Croatian.

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