/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Praise mystery writing anon.

mystery-kun truly is a great guy

How's my taste Anons?

>>16663104
There are some questionable choices, but for giving best voice to Sayaka, you are alright dude in my book.

>>16663104
A+ taste just because you have Gohda as your husbando. Also, do you happen to still have the template for this?

>>16663340
Yeah, made it myself based on a Jojo Chart. Edited it for about 2 hours or so and this was the result.

Thanks Mystery Anon, that was the first one I took part in and it was pretty fun.
I managed to solve it too, which is pretty great.

>>16663047
>>16663058
>>16663500
Ah thanks you guys. Glad you enjoy my little parlor games. And I love seeing how more and more people are getting involved with solving it.
I don't know exactly when, but I'll have a new mystery when something else cries.

>>16663022
>This thread is dedicated to mystery writing anon who keeps these threads alive more than anyone else.
I just read the OP. That's really nice. Dedicating a thread to me AND including both Erika and Dlanor in the OP? Almost like you know me.

Guys... what if Lambda was just a really feminine boy?

Why are the idiot-humans worshiping me?

>>16663581
Lambda confirmed best seacat

Reposting from dead thread I didn't realise was dead:

>>16661853
Those are some great ones. Orient Express is a classic.
You'll have lots of fun the Mystery of the Yellow Room.

Rue Morgue gets a lot of credit for being the first locked-room mystery with a Sherlock/Watson-type duo solving it and I get that. It truly inspired the genre of murder mysteries and even inspired Arthur Conan Doyle to write Sherlock Holmes.
That said, I thought the solution to the mystery was absolutely ridiculous and downright poor.
Poe also wrote The Purloined Letter, which doesn't involve a murder, but is still a fun mystery you ought to check out.

>>16663595
Erika will always be best seacat Anon.

>>16663604
I wanna cum inside.

>>16663639
Tfw the Erika dakimakura is sold out at Mandarake

Man after rereading Ep 4 I appreciate the fight segement much more
Imagine how hard it would be to come up with hype as fuck ironic chuuni powerlevel fights that neither the writer nor the fans actually think they are happening

>>16663752
The Bern one is still available but pretty expensive.

>>16663104
Pretty fucking generic

>>16663828
The Krauss Vs Goat fight was still the best episode fight.

>>16663600
Rue morgue was pretty easy, if you want to talk about overrated mysterys then you have the Orient Express.
Its well structured and the setting is pretty comfy but its way too gimicky.

>>16664848
>Rue morgue was pretty easy
It wasn't a question of being easy, simply that the solution was so preposterous and inane. Granted, stories written around that time had a lot of stuff like that so the general public wouldn't have thought of it poorly. Remember that Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories often involved oriental influences, poison darts, and pygmies for god's sake. These things were new and exciting at the time, but in this day and age they should be removed from detective fiction. I agree with Knox on that entirely.

Anyway, I enjoyed Orient Express. The entire plot twist (please do not read this spoiler if you haven't read Orient Express yet) where EVERYBODY DID IT was really fresh and the first story to use it I believe. And I loved that plot device. Simple, yet really fulfilling to me.

>>16663022
>This thread is dedicated to mystery writing anon who keeps these threads alive more than anyone else.

Can we dedicate the next thread to writer anon to see if it lures him back? I miss the days of "It would be a shame"

>>16665335
If it has cute girls and good music I might read it

>>16663600
Just finished Rue Morgue
You were right, the ending is almost "SMALL BOMBS" tier haha

>>16665393
Ah, how fun. Yes, it was a completely unsatisfying solution to an otherwise perplexing locked room mystery. You can imagine my disappointment when I first read it.

As I've said though, credit where it's due. Rue Morgue was the very first locked room murder mystery and inspired Conan Doyle to create Sherlock. We owe the genre we love so much to Poe and his Rue Morgue, even if it seems ridiculously stupid to us now. As I've said before, times were different. Pygmies and gorillas were perfectly fine culprits. Now we want a flawed human culprit with a believable motive. A genius turned to evil. Not an escaped primate.

Anyway, go read The Purloined Letter, also by Poe. It's really short, think it should only take half an hour. Like I said, no deaths, but it's a lot better than Rue Morgue and you get to see a bit more of the protagonist's personality.

>>16665370
I still love that fight so much. Did he write anything else because nothing springs to mind

>>16665370
I'm pretty new to these threads, is there a pastebin of what that Anon wrote or something?

>>16665625
Not that I know of. Someone will have saved it though so expect it to be dumped soon. That said, I don't remember anything other than the Nanjo fight and the "Believing one's soup to be perfect" line where Kyrie and Kumasawa faced off.

>>16665656
Small words from a small meme trying to attack what it doesn't understand.
System 0 is still my favourite Umineko track to this day.

>>16665718
I love System 0 so much as well.

I think in the story Kyrie was facing off with Kumasawa and the latter offered Kyrie the soup she was making, saying it's perfect.
Kyrie: "Believing one's soup to be perfect....is often the sign of a delusional mind."
Kumasawa: "Small words, from a small being trying to attack what it doesn't understand!"

It just worked perfectly I think. Kyrie being cocky, Kumasawa telling Kyrie to know her place and that a servant of the Ushiromiya household is not to be taken lightly. Fuck I wish I saved it somewhere. I think someone died by being forced scolding hot soup down their throat but I don't remember who

>>16665656
>>16665746
Yeah this definitely rings a bell

Some more thoughts on Erikas birthday cruise adventure.

I figured a group of 50 or so rich and/or well connected people, mostly politicians and big business and maybe a few oddballs going on a cruise to socialize and make private deals could be turned into a decent mystery setting. That kind of ship would be large enough for there to be some way to maneuver characters around, while also being compact enough that readers can get an intuitive understanding of how the different rooms connect to eachother.
After the first incident most of the people on board can be eliminated as suspects, leaving a reasonable pool of potential culprits for the reader to sort through.

I also want to include Erika finding out her boyfriend has been cheating on her while on the cruise, but I'm not 100% sure if it contradicts something that was stated in Umineko.

>>16666239
There is this flashback, but it's never confirmed if he really did cheat on her or not

>>16666364
Well, she did confirm it with the red truth later, but you're right about her never finding hard proof as a human.

I was thinking along the lines of "she becomes suspicious and comes to the conclusion that he must have cheated on her over the duration of this cruise". I figured it would be cool to have that spiral of paranoia character arc in there. hat doesn't work if these are the examples of evidence she cited refer to things that happened over a longer timeframe, or meeting friends or going to work though. It means that by the time she went on that trip she had at least already begun to doubt the guy.

I want to kiss the back of erika's neck

>>16666577
I want Rosa to scream at me angrily

>>16666577
That's not all I want to kiss.

>>16666427
I think another problem is that they weren't a couple anymore when she went on the cruise. He broke up with her before that

>>16666628
Damn it Ryukishi!

>>16666598
You and me both, anon.

>>16666427
>she did confirm it with the red truth later
No she didn't.

My heart still hurts ;_;

>>16663104

Beato!

>>16663566
Ah, the famous bird Beatrice theory.

>>16666364
>>16666628

Damn. I mean, yeah, their relationship ended due to Erika not trusting her boyfriend, but the way he reacted when breaking up with her was harsh.

Has anyone here bought the Steam release of Umineko? Is it worth it when compared to the already fan-made one? Are the translation updates extensive?

I'll just play with the original sprite anyway, so art isn't a problem.

Anybody speaking nihonese here? What exactly was added in RGD The Best compared to Last Season and how come only Russians translated it?

>>16669033
Nevermind, it's just one very short story about Julie dreaming that she's in Primavera in 1947
Too bad, I expected an epilogue

>>16668930
https://forum.rokkenjima.org/t/an-announcement-by-the-witch-hunts-usagitenpura-regarding-uminekos-upcoming-steam-release/380

>>16668930
The translation is significantly better, but there are still basic typos in a script that was supposedly checked and redone thoroughly.

Would even the Witch of Miracles have the power to make Gohda lose in the kitchen?

>>16670418
No, because her power works using an infinitesimal possibility. It's impossible for Gohda to lose in the kitchen.

>>16670418
Such a thing is IMPOSSIBLE.
The Holy Golden Order of Knox, which goes beyond any of the original Knox rules STATES:
It is impossible for Gohda to lose in the KITCHEN.

No higher truth EXISTS.
Discussion is FUTILE. If further discussion is invoked, I will sentence the invoker. They will DIE THE DEATH.
SENTENCE TO DEATH.
GREAT EQUALIZER IS THE CHEF

>>16665370
>>16665588
>>16665625
>>16665656
>>16665746
I'm very flattered once more.
I'm actually the same person. Mystery anon and writer anon are one and the same. I write the occasional weekend mystery to have a bit of fun with you guys, but I also wrote the Nanjo fight scene (and the less popular Kumasawa fight).

To be honest, I'd love to write another fight scene, but I'm really focusing on mysteries at the moment. And Nanjo's scene just sort of came out of nowhere. I will write a Gohda fight scene though, even if it's the last thing I ever do. But then again, how on earth could I do it justice? All this "can't lose in the kitchen" stuff is pretty damn hyped and I worry that I wouldn't be able to write something that would truly be deserving of Gohda.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who takes part in my mysteries and enjoys my (very, very) occasional writing. Having a thread dedicated to me really is very humbling. I refuse to put on a tripcode because I don't want recognition, but you all gave me some anyway and it's nice to feel appreciated.

I like it here at /seacats/.

>>16670441
That's a lovely pic of Dlanor I haven't cum across yet

I think /seacats/ is a wonderful place.
We've got myrteries, stories, lewd edits, all done by random anons. I just want you to know I appreciate all your efforts in keeping a, let's face it, general alive even though Umineko ended years ago. There's always something that keeps me coming back.

>>16669622
>>16670259

Cool.

My laptop is pretty shit. If it was able to run the original VN and the PS3 patch, it should have no problem running this version, right?

>>16672018
I don't see why not, it's pretty much the same VN as the original one for PC far as I can tell, just translated and a new set of sprites that you can toggle.

>>16666628
I always wonder, was Erika this crazy before she went on to a cruise?
Actually, was she crazy at all? I mean she could be portrayed however Ryukishi wanted in each episode, but except for knowing she was paranoid, there is no way of knowing. She may have been just a regular school girl.

lambda

>To get the game running you need to acquire media resources, extra data and a game engine for your platform. Put them into the same folder and run the game engine to play.

What am I doing wrong

>>16673270
We have no idea how the original Erika would have acted.
I imagine, the only accurate personalitie we were shown would be the Rokkenjima prime personalities and the ones in 1998, and even these my have a bit of Ange's bias.

>>16673689
Works now. The contents of extra were supposed to be extracted to the game root directory, not have them in separate folder.

>>16673270
Unless you're pure anti-fantasy Higurashi-no-real, saying that there's 'real' personalities is ridiculous. Not only is it explicitly stated that pieces can't act contrary to their personalities, Erika was created by Bern, past and present. If you're going by EP8's 'this is the real Kinzo', that's just a side of Kinzo that never got to be showed off because the Kinzo in the other games is the Kinzo on the verge of death, locked in his room, and surrounded only by his incompetent heirs.

I've been working on a concept for a book. It borrows heavily from Umineko and I want your opinion on two things. Is it plagiarism? And would you be interested in reading it?

Basically it's a murder mystery, obviously. Set in a world where Detectives each get their own special power or skill. They work for an organisation that is omniscient, and are placed in real-life scenarios where a murder/murders will take place. The Detectives arrive at the mansion/village/ski lodge where a murder will happen, and they socialise with the people, trying to pick up clues/motives etc. They don't know who will be murdered yet.
Eventually a murder happens and the Detective questions the suspects and collects clues, as normal.

The twist is that once the Detective feels ready, he declares a Logic Battle (name pending). The Detective will face off with an Advocate (as in Devil's Advocate, also part of the organisation that sends Detectives to scenes). A Logic Battle then ensues, much like in Umineko. Detectives and Advocates both carry weapons of their choice and attack in a truly shounen type battle, shouting theories and denying them with logic and truth. The Detective wins by defeating the Advocate with logic and solving the case for good. He then leaves for his next case.
This concept lends itself to an episodic structure so there could be multiple books, or multiple cases per book. All leading up to some sort of huge face-off with a rival Detective/Advocate of course.

What do you honestly think? Is the shounen battle thing too much for Western readers?

>>16663104
Are you literally almost me? Only difference is my favorite furniture is Lucifer, 2 is my least favorite episode, the most disturbing moment is the closed room in episode 6 (in the visual novel only) and the massacre in episode 7 isn't my least favorite moment.

>>16674815
I'd be interested in reading it but the Advocate thing is a little close to Umineko. You still might be able to get away with it, though, if you make it different enough. Don't introduce any elements that are similar to the red or blue truths.

>>16675068
Really trying to avoid Red and Blue, definitely. The problem is having an opponent for the Detective in the shounen Logic Battles. Advocates seemed a reasonable idea because it wouldn't work if the Killer was the opponent. The killer should only be revealed once the Detective beats his opponent and reveals what truly happened.
That's why I was thinking of an impartial opponent, like an Advocate.

>>16675068
The whole "language of truth" thing isn't unique to Umineko. as long as you don't replicate the dynamic between red and blue you could get away with putting that much in there without it being plagiarism.

In any case, since R07 seems to encourage people to take his world and create their own stories out of it even taking major parts of his works and transforming them into something new isn't plagiarism as long as you cite him as your inspiration.
Open source storytelling has a lot of potential for organic growth. In the same way the old ones turned into a cultural phenomenon because people don't feel dirty for doing their own variations on the theme, red truth or the concept of a world made out of fragments could become more broadly used storytelling devices.

>>16675184
I think I could get around the plagiarism, and I'm sure R07 won't sue my ass because he's a lovely human being.

I'm more concerned with the appeal to Western audiences. Logic Battles would go down okay, I think. But I want full-scale shounen battles, with Detectives and Advocates wielding scythes/swords/spears and attacking each other directly while screaming theories. Would that go down well with the average person? Think James Bond action sequences, but with logic/theories instead of witty quips.

There was some post talking about the length of Umineko and I got interested.
I looked around any couldn't find any exact answer, what's the word count for Umineko?

>>16675439
Shit, this pops up every so often and I never save the numbers. I think you can google it.
But someone will post it anyway.

Basically it's roughly three? times the size of LOTR? Again, conjecture, not sure.

>>16675439
I think the estimated length of Umineko is two times that of War and Peace.

>>16675423
It really depends, it could go over well with some crowds and be somewhat popular, but you won't get your typical literature snobs.

You could also look into other mediums instead of making it a straight up novel. If you have any artistic talent you could work with trying to make it some kind of comic instead.

>>16675602
Yeah it probably wouldn't go down well with the critics.

And unfortunately I'm not gifted with any artistic talent. I understand these kinds of shounen battles lend themselves better to visual media, but that's just not where my strengths lie. I am a writer.

>>16675635
It could get it's own fanbase that likes that sort of thing, but it'd probably never get past cult status. I'd still say go for it and hope you get lucky.

It sucks not being that good at art. I'm trying to get better at drawing for the visual novel I've been working on and it's really difficult.

>>16675719
It's still a concept I'm working at for the moment. Lots of things might change. But I am quite adamant about the shounen logic fights. I'll keep working on it.

Good luck with the VN, anon. You don't happen to be edit-anon by any chance?

>>16675754
Nah I'm not edit anon. I've posted around a lot but I haven't contributed a lot.

Good luck to you and your writing as well.

>>16675754
Edit-anon here. Need anything?

>>16674815
I like the concept. I've always liked the meta concept of large amount of famous detectives work for an organization and know each other.

>>16675423
So long as it is well-paced and not dense and boring like 'shonen battles' tend to be, it should be fine. Action is best when it has a sense of urgency.

So, Umineko was 8 episodes long, and most don't go past 6/7 from what I can tell. Would anyone ever bother to read something that would be, say, 11 parts long, all equal length to an average Umineko episode?

>>16676203
I would if it's good enough. The length weeds out the true fans. There will always be people that stick with it.

>>16676203
>most don't go past 6/7 from what I can tell
I don't know where you got that impression from. Once you get into the story the length stops being an issue.

>>16676284
From my friends. A lot of them who read got really fed up around 7, I know I did and didn't finish it until a while after I had been on my Umineko high.

So I always wondered what Willard's deal was.

Is he some lost relative to the real S.S Van Dine like Dlanor is to the real Ronald Knox, or is he the meta world representation of Van Dine?

>>16677703
How long has it been, has Lucifer Anon still never found his way to Lucifer yet?

>>16677682
He's just some random guy on the internet that likes to read detective fiction.

>>16677859
So willard is your typical Umineko fan?

>>16675953
I'm quite happy with the concept as well. A huge organisation that sends Detectives to places where murders will occur. Could be anywhere, anyplace, any time in fact, future or past. And of course the Detectives know one another, rivalries will spark etc.

>>16676094
Nothing like DBZ at least. More like Umineko fights. There could be some tower summoning and clashes of swords and scythes for example.

>>16678006
I like the idea of detectives feeling that other detectives "stole cases" from them. Like in your setting I just imagine that maybe one detective gets assigned a case that another detective had their eye on.

>>16678017
I can see it now. A detective gets assigned a case, and the main character detective really wanted that one and just says "fuck it" and goes along. Suddenly there's two detectives trying to out-solve the murder, culminating in a logic battle between the two of them.

>>16677994
>So willard is your typical Umineko fan?
No, that would be George.

>>16678109
I'd love to just see mary sue characters try to outdo themselves, with some literally doing arm chair solving in their house, without needing any evidence, while people are still grieving over the body of their loved one.
Like Erika praising the lord for a new murder and laughing that the only thing that matters is solving the puzzle rationally.
The detective genre is full of these mary sues, so having them all together would be hilarious.

It would also be hilarious if a couple of detectives just started saying that a murder must fall along the rules of the Knox and the Van Dine and ignore reality as a result for no other reason other than because basically all the murders follow the rules, even though the real world has no rules.

Top ten Ryukishicore betrayals?

>>16678425
B-betrayal?

>>16678435
That dress though.

>>16678484
It is the dress of a betrayer.

>>16678317
>>16678423
To them it's just a job. It'd be a nice juxtaposition, having a detective do his job while the family grieves. Collecting evidence and coming up with theories before announcing he's ready.

It'd be like the classic denouement from just about all Agatha Christie stories, where they gather everyone in the same room and go over each part of the case before announcing the culprit. But instead, the detective unsheathes his sword and fights to the death with an advocate, shouting theories as the house burns down around them. This all takes place in a meta world of course.

>>16678423
A nice plot twist would be that one case actually broke the rules and the detective gets furious, and you actually see him get angry for the first time.

>>16678526
>A nice plot twist would be that one case actually broke the rules and the detective gets furious, and you actually see him get angry for the first time.
>''IT'S AGAINST THE RULES, TO HAVE A SECRET TRAP DOOR, THIS IS BULLSHIT FUCK THIS SHIT''
>Bla bla bla, you did it for money, how cliche

>>16678545
>IS THAT A FUCKING CHINAMAN?!

>>16678634
>you'd better not be with the Mafia or I will lose my shit
This meta detective thing has a lot of potential.

>>16678425
>betrayal
He simply decided the best way to protect your countrymen was to only let his countrymen live
He did nothing wrong

>>16678790
Richard, please. You let your desire for revenge cloud your judgement then tried to rationalize it while ignoring reality.

Scans when?

>>16676203
No surprise 6 is shit, and the the only good part of 7 is at the very end.

>>16678435

BEATO!

>>16679018
Never. Enjoy your one or two available chapters.

Or wait for YenPress maybe.

>>16679082
>6 is shit
I don't get why so many people say this. I personally really enjoyed Dawn. What was so bad about it?

>>16679087
Beatits!

>>16678790
It was all nice on paper but in reality he only managed to bully some nips

>>16679177
It has the worst fight scenes and the only good scene is the Erika funtimes one
The rest of the episodes just have more good scenes

>>16679018
https://mega.nz/#F!OJU2HYgB!-lbNfZS31EUf2QXDKB8I2A
Chapter 6 is missing for now. I'll add it when volume 2 is released on Kindle

>>16679403
Thank you!

>>16679400
I really liked the development Kanon got in Episode 6. The previous Episodes would briefly show him starting to grow as a person (usually right before killing him off), but Dawn is the Episode where his character arc finally comes to a conclusion. We finally get to see Kanon overcome his "furniture" complex and start trying to live a happier life for himself.

>>16679177
All the scenes in which Erika is not present are boring. It's also that chapter where Featherine goes endlessly about the subject of truth and it's such a drag.

>>16678643
>I WASN'T PROPERLY PREPARED FOR THESE TWINS!
>HE CAN'T BE THE KILLER, HE WASN'T EVEN INTRODUCED UNTIL LAST CHAPTER! DON'T YOU PEOPLE KNOW THE RULES?!
Distressed Detective is becoming my favourite character.

So this question has been on my mind for a while but only lately have I started lurking these threads.
Higurashi has become iconic in Otaku culture but you can't say the same about Umineko, so what went wrong?
Was it the terrible anime adaptation?
If Umineko had received a better and more faithful complete adaptation with more episodes and a 2nd season for Chiru would that have done it?
Everyone knows that Higurashi is easier to grasp than Umineko was that the issue?
There's also a common perception that Chiru was a disappointment and that may have factored in Umineko not "making it".

>>16679933
I love that pic, it's beautiful and amazing and I could look at it for hours.

As for your question...is Umineko not as iconic? I suppose Higurashi could be more iconic for being the breakout hit it was.

>>16679933
The bad anime is definitely part of it since it killed potential marketing.
Though Umineko isn't that good for otaku marketing in general especially compared to Higurashi. Higurashi has cute girls and also SOL elements while Umineko is overall a really serious story that doesn't have such a big focus on elements otaku are used to seeing.
Obviously these elements still exist which can be seen by the big amount of non-h doujins existing for it, but it's nothing compared to Higurashi.
Also while Higurashi is generally well received Umineko has a really big gap between people who like it and people who absolutely hate it.
This also makes Umineko more difficult to be a target of discussion.
It's often funny that when you browse Japanese sites and someone mentions Umineko in connection with Higurashi that there's a lot of people that will get mad.
For example I recently read some Amazon review of some guy who got extremely angry because dai's Umineko image album wasn't actually a Higurashi album even though he thought it was.
He simple rated the album one star because of that.

>>16679933
I think it mostly comes down to the anime. As far as Otaku culture goes, anime is by far the most mainstream medium, and the medium most new fans choose when first introduced to a series. So when it comes to the community as a whole, the general consensus on a series is often based solely on it's anime adaptation, regardless of how faithful that adaptation was to the source material.

That being said, Umineko definitely has a higher barrier to entry than Higurashi, so even if it had gotten a better anime there's no guarantee it would've become popular.

Also, the thing about Chiru being a disappointment is a highly contested viewpoint. There are plenty of fans who actually enjoyed it more than the first half.

>>16680165
Is Umineko more popular among western fans or something? I always hear people claiming that the Japanese hated it, whereas most of the criticism I see among western fans is aimed at the anime adaptation.

>>16680019
Higurashi is widely considered to be one of the top horror anime out there, whereas Umineko is generally seen as "that other series by the maker of Higurashi". In the end, Umineko's fanbase seems to be smaller yet more dedicated than Higurashi's.

>>16680192
>Is Umineko more popular among western fans or something?
It's generally better received for sure.
A lot of Japanese players came directly from Higurashi and a big percentage of those already jumped the boat when Kanon took out his blade.
The magic battles in general are something many Higurashi fans there seem to complain about.
Now obviously there's also the same things some people in the west say. Things like it's too difficult and that it is all over the place in Chiru because of BT's death.
Umineko still has a lot of fans in Japan though which is already obvious by the high amount of fanart. It just seems to be harder to talk about it over there since the amount of butthurt goats who either came from Higurashi expecting something similar or people who stopped thinking after the magic battles appeared.
Compare the ratings of Umineko's PS3 version and Umineko Chiru's PS3 version on amazon.

>>16680212
Could it really be the shitty Umineko anime? I know Higurashi was very popular. Even my most normy friends have seen it because lol it has gore

>>16679933
Higurashi had cuter girls.

>>16680337
Umineko had prettier ladies.

>>16679933
It doesn't have enough cute girls, fun times, fan-service and power of friendship for your everyday otaku, so they don't give a shit about the rest.

>>16680398
>Not enough fan-service

>>16680172
>There are plenty of people who actually enjoyed it more than the first half.
I always felt alone in that prospect. I always liked Chiru (for the most part) better than the first four episodes. Now there are slow parts in Chiru and some episodes aren't all that great but Chiru';s highs are really high for me.

>>16680587
>Now there are slow parts in Chiru
There are slow parts in every Episode.

>>16679933
Umineko just rubs everyone off the wrong way.
Its not this mystical village, with creepy kids,cicadas,folklore and mystery surrounding them. There is no struggle against fate and there is no happy ending.

As much as I like Umineko and I can discuss it for much longer than Higurashi, it is just a very tragic tale with a cast that is not as likable as Higurashi's, and even with crazy amount of character development they do not even come close to the characters of Higurashi.
I can tell, I've been discussing Umineko for far longer than Higurashi, yet I still deem Higurashi the better of the two.
Why? Because I can relate to Higurashi much more and its a very good story.Umineko is just very good read.

Not saying that Umineko isn't a good story either, because I love it.
Its very tragic story, but I think many of the fans feel the same way, that they couldn't immerse themselves in Rokkenjima as much as Hinamizawa, and that you can relate to very few characters (One of the most developed characters are mothers).

But each has its own merits, and I firmly believe that Ryukishi will again release a masterpiece, in same light as Higurashi and Umineko, but different shade.

>>16680722
>a cast that is not as likable as Higurashi's
Umineko's cast may not be as likable as Higurashi's, but I found them to be more relatable. Their flaws made them seem more human to me.

And while both series have great replay value, Umineko is the one I keep finding myself coming back to more often even after several years.

>>16680790
>but I found them to be more relatable.
Really? Speaking for myself, but I honestly cannot relate to any characters other than Yasu (not because of tranny reasons) and Ange.
Battler is impossible to relate with,mothers as well (except Natsuhi).
Rest of the servants don't even have a characterization.
Kinzo is cool but not that relateable, as are Ushiromiya husbands.
The cousins are supposed to be somewhat like Higurashis main cast, but they don't feel real to me at all.
Like I was reading, And there were none, all characters except for Yasu(Beatrice in extension) and Ange, were cardboard. Like pieces, in a murder mystery. Yes they perform exactly as they are meant to, but it doesn't mean that they will be relatable.

>>16680837
You should read through again and pay closer attention to the adults and their conflicting emotions toward themselves, their siblings, and their children. Also watch Kinzo's grieving keeping in mind what he's been atoning for all his life. The characters are deeper than you'd think and I notice new things each reread.

>>16680837
In what way do you relate to Higurashi's cast ?
Because Umineko's cast seems way, way more human, deep and relatable to me.

>>16680837
>Battler is impossible to relate with,mothers as well (except Natsuhi).
Eva alone has more depth and character development than most of Higurashi's cast.

>>16680853
Probably going to read Umineko at some point again. Yes, I know they weren't actual cardboard characters. Rudolf in EP7 shooting George, Rosa and Maria in entirety of EP2, Kyrie towards Ange, Battler and Rudolf in EP7.
Natsuhi towards Krauss especially, Jessicas displeasure with her heritage... many more I cannot even count, nor describe. But I took notice of each and every one of them. But for some reason it doesn't have that natural attraction towards characters. Its just not there.
I have to wear their shoes first to feel it. Put myself in their situation. Thats the point.
I don't have to do that for Higurashis characters. I can feel the pain, joy and struggle all the same just by watching them.

>>16680837
How is Battler impossible to relate with? I found him extremely relatable (for better or worse) and interesting. Same with all of the other characters. Even the characters that had little development still had a little something to them that made them feel human, that they were people with their own lives that we just weren't seeing. I don't see them as just cardboard cut outs.

In contrast Higurashi's cast seemed far more "anime". They weren't bad characters they just didn't feel like they had the depth that the Umineko cast had.

>>16680912
Well, if you prefer self-insert and simple, two dimensional characters that's your problem.

>>16680891
The fact that they are kids dealing with incredibly traumatic pasts, their own shady backgrounds and chains. Maybe because they have more Slice of life segments where you can see, they just want to enjoy their youth with each other, and their fates getting horribly twisted upon.
>>16680901
Might be so if you view it that way, but all I can see Eva for is pre-Ange Eva, which is all about her inferiority complex, that which is forced upon George to carry because she cannot of her own gender. Her hate for Kraus is borderline crazy, but thats her single character root from which all her problems stem from. In my opinion, post-Ange Eva is much more likable if only for a fact that it broke her so much that Ange refused to give her a chance, while she was pouring her heart out to her.
I found it saddening, but not relateable in any way.

>>16680961
Hey now, I wouldn't go that far. Higurashi's characters are still really good.

>>16680966
But not nearly as good as Umineko's entire human cast, except for Rena and Satoko.

>>16680987
What about Rika and Shion?

>>16680992
I always found Shion's character to be a bit shallow to be honest. Her relationship with Satoshi could have used more development.

>>16681001
True. Actually even I can consider saying that K1 is far more developed character than Shion, but nonetheless she is pretty much shining in her own arc too.

>>16681007
I still like the guy but Keichii backstory is kinda lame IMO.
It's just a bad plot device that comes out of nowhere for EP6

>>16675812
What's an Edit-anon?

>>16683421
It's just what I call myself since I make a lot of edits.

>>16680837
It's the opposite for me. Shannon and Kanon made sense to me as characters, even if you assumed they were the same person, but all that fell apart with the Yasu reveal. I can't bring myself to believe that this bland, introverted girl is supposed to have developed Beatrices personality. She just doesn't have the style, you know? I wish R07 had canonized some other crackpot theory, maybe even in a literal sense. be it killer loli Maria, mad chef Gohda, Moonchan, Rosatrice, Black Battler or even Teatrice. All of these would have been more believable in an emotional sense for me than Yasutrice.

>>16683529
What's Teatrice ?

>>16683529
I actually think Yasu's personality makes a lot of sense when you stop and think about it.

Shannon represents Yasu's idealized self, a kind and gentle maiden who's never at fault for what happens to her. She's an optimistic idealist, always taking the high road and viewing the world around her through rose-tinted glasses.

Kanon is the culmination of all the things Yasu hates about themself. He's bitter and moody, taking on all of Shannon's daily frustrations so that she can keep living as the pure innocent victim while he voices anger on her behalf.

Beato acts as Yasu's self-conscience, watching over everything from above without directly getting involved, cackling in self hatred at just how pathetic she is. She constantly torments the other two personalities by reminding them of the things they don't want to think about. She also took on Yasu's playfulness and love of mysteries, and plays the role of the witch of legend.

I dreamt that I was a mech pilot and that Bernkastel and Flowey were the characters that would show up in video transmissions and shout orders at me. I fought against gigantic snake monsters in the mech.

>>16670477
Keep up the good work anon. You brighten up these threads for me and I'm always happy to see another mystery being posted. As for fight scenes, I'd like to see Gohda in action yeah, but I get that the hype is too big now

>>16683784
Last week I dreamt I snuggled with Maria in a futon and I was Battler. Nothing sexual, just comfy. I asked back then if anyone else had had Umineko related dreams but got no replies. Glad to see yours.

Anyone else ever have a dream about Umineko?

>>16684254
I know for sure that I had an Umineko related dream the night right after finishing it but I can't remember what it was about. It's frustrating.

>>16684254
>Anyone else ever have a dream about Umineko?
A threesome with Lambda and Bern. 10/10 dream, really.

I worked hard for it though, learning how to have lucid dreams just to fuck them.

>>16684732
That sounds awesome. Did lucid dreaming work out for you then?

I just get completely random dreams, sometimes they include Umineko. Usually when I've browsed these threads right before bed.

>>16684732
>A threesome with Lambda and Bern.
That sounds interesting. What was it like?

>>16684770
Pretty sure it worked that night. I gave up on lucid dreaming soon after because it totally fucked my sleep schedule and I was feeling even more unhealthy than usual.

>>16684852
Lot of femdom : feet licking, footjob and facesitting.

>>16684254
I was tortured and that dreadful music of court of illusions was playing. I don't remember much else,except that I wasn't able to move and was being actively stabbed.

>>16685015
>it totally fucked my sleep schedule and I was feeling even more unhealthy than usual.
Seems like a fair trade if you get to have sex with beautiful seacat girls in your dreams.

>>16685029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycEO16DIWpo&list=PLE4E4005C2A9725BC&index=14
If anyone is interested.

>>16685015
Would you ever consider a transcription of what you remember on Pastebin or something?

>>16685030
True. Some days I'm tempted to give it another shot, with Erika and Evatrice this time.

>>16685064
Evatrice is a thing with?
Only her armpits are worth mention.

>>16685053
I had that dream 5 years ago so I hardly remember anything except the sex scenes, sadly.

>>16685069
How rude. Evatrice is cute as hell, my man.

>>16685069
fag

>>16685083
Even just that would be good, however vague

>>16685069
And her voice

She's easily in the top tier in terms of prettiness

>>16685083
>>16685085
>>16685089
Actually Evatrice got me into Umineko.
But If I'd have to choose, Beatrice is easily the prettiest one and also the best one character wise.
So much about her screams "This beauty".

>>16685053
Seconded. I'd love to read it.

>>16685069
Wrong.

>>16685089
Allright I'll think about it.
>And her voice
This. Her voice alone could make me cum.

>>16685105
Beatrice is pretty but I don't feel attracted to her for some reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoRCmJ4NZ74&index=29&list=RDtdhRwADrkYA

>>16684254
My only umineko related dream was being forced to play a game with Beatrice. Endless torture and all of that.

>>16685064
Why not Evatrice and Eva?

>>16686648
Great idea, this sounds insanely hot!
Also,
Rosa and Maria
Dlanor and Erika
Mammon and Ange double paizuri...

So many combinations, so little porn of it.

>>16686943
>Mammon and Ange double paizuri...
That would be great. Natsuhi and Eva would also be good for a double paizuri.

Beatrice and Maria?
or
Erika and Maria?

>>16687616
Depends on the play.

>>16687636
Maria being the dom.

>>16687616
Erika & Maria

>>16687642
Then Erika.

>>16687654
I want to see Maria make Erika admit that magic exists.

>>16687657
And how would she go about doing that? Erika's wouldn't go down easily, and Maria's not that convincing.

>>16687669
Same way Lambda did it in ep 5. Except you keep the pressure until Erika admits defeat. Just do the whole candy magic thing but then add red truths of how it appeared.

beato

>>16663639
I would kill for a good quality full picture of this..

>>16688325
Here's the full picture, but the quality's, not great.
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/5731288

>>16688370
Actually got that one, that's what I meant the quality kind of sucks.

>>16688382
You could always try waifu2x, see if that helps.

>>16688325
I'd kill for the dakimakura itself.

>>16688522
>that face
yami wo kirisaku

http://i.imgur.com/7fNUnck.gifv
could someone edit this gif with the faces of Umineko characters ?
Like with Battler and Beatrice or Erika and Maria...whatever you prefer

If Kinzo's occult research had actually paid off, which Beatrice would he have brought back to life? What was more important to him, a chance to see Bice one last time, or a chance to apologize to apologize to Kuwadorian Beatrice?

>>16689456
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Iy882m8JWZlKxpK/source.gif
At your service. Rate, comment and subscribe

>>16690736
10/10, it's even better than what I wanted. Ange and Virgilia are awesome. I gladly subscribe.
Thanks a lot anon!

>>16679403
>Chapter 6 is missing for now. I'll add it when volume 2 is released on Kindle
I just finished chapter five and came back here to complain that this was incomplete. I am now waiting with bated breath for the next chapter, thanks for uploading.

>>16689574
>which Beatrice would he have brought back to life?
Both of them, obviously. So that he could have a threesome.

>people discussing relatability, as if it's important to the quality of the work

Please don't.

>>16692017
How is it not important?

>>16692135
Relatability is't important because it implies that the work needs to be reflective of an experience that you're familiar with.

One has to project themselves into the experience of the character because to every character will be relatable to you. To dismiss something because it is not relatable to you is not a failure of the work but a failure on the part of the reader.

It's like a inner-city kid dismissing Shakespeare because he can't relate to Macbeth or something.

>>16692177
>not a failure of the work but a failure on the part of the reader.

People can't just choose to relate to something. Calling that their failure is just depriving them of the right to judge for themselves whether a story is good or not. Being able to make a story that resonates in the hearts of others is a virtue of a skilled writer, not an obligation of the reader.

>>16692293
It's a failure on the readers part for expecting to do so. You're not relating. You're seeing it through their eyes. There's a subtle difference.

>Calling that their failure is just depriving them of the right to judge for themselves whether a story is good or not

The plot is just a vehicle for the characters and theme and topics. The story itself has little importance on the quality of the work. In fact, it's no exaggeration to say that it is the least important part of the work.

Also, it's not depriving them the ability to judge a work in general. It deprives them from putting down a work for illegitimate reasons such as character relatability.

>Being able to make a story that resonates in the hearts of others is a virtue of a skilled writer, not an obligation of the reader.

Relatability to the character has nothing to do with the plot.

Tell me: is Shakespeare not a skilled writer, or is Macbeth not a fantastic work because some people may not be able to relate to the characters? Of course not. It's the theme and topics within the work that allows one to see how skilled the writer is. But those have nothing to do with character relatability.

It's friday, and you know what that means?

MYSTERY TIME

Things are getting a bit heated during the annual family conference as the adults discuss the inheritance. They all decide it would be a good time to let the topic go and behave like a normal family, at least for a bit. They would go for a walk around the mansion with everyone, bringing the children along as well so they'd feel included.
Eventually the party goes outside for their walks. The party inclues Krauss, Natsuhi, Jessica, Eva, Hideyoshi, George, Rudolf, Kyrie, Battler, Rosa and Maria. Genji and Gohda also tag along, Gohda holding snacks and Genji explaining things about the garden as they all enjoy their walk. Kumasawa and Nanjo felt too tired for a walk and decided to play a game of chess in the parlour.

That's when they pass by Kinzo's room, high above. They hear muffled screaming. It sounds like "No! Never! Noooo!!!"
The family walk a little closer to the bit of ground underneath Kinzo's windows when the windows suddenly burst open. They could hear Kinzo's cries even more clearly now. He kept screaming "Nooo!!" How did you get in here?! Have you come to kill me?! Wait...no....what are you doing?!!!"
There is a lot of noise coming in from the study, furniture being pushed away, trampled upon etc. This went on for a bit and then, suddenly, the portrait of Beatrice is flung out of the window, right across the garden. They hear Kinzo cry "BEATORIICHEEE!!!" one last time before he jumps out of his window as if to follow her. But he falls face flat on the ground beneath his office window, for all the family to see. Dead.

The family is puzzled. It sounded like there was someone in there threatening Kinzo, causing him to scream "Nooo!!" and jumping out of the window. But how could this have happened? All the humans on the island were right there, underneath the window as Kinzo jumped and fell.
The only people not out for this walk were Kumasawa and Nanjo, who were playing a game of chess in the parlour, and Battler could clearly see them through the window even now.

What could possibly have happened?
You know the game by now, throw me your Blues and I might grant you some Reds.

>>16693687
Let's start with something simple then.

/Blue/ Kinzo had a delusional fit and jumped out the window.

And just to confirm,

/Blue/ Someone unaccounted for by Battler snuck in, like Shannon or Kanon.

>>16693720
/RED/ The only people on the island were those I have mentioned before.

As for your other one, define "delusional". Kinzo had true reason to believe he was in mortal peril.

>>16693768
As in, Kinzo jumped from the room himself due to some form of misunderstanding. There didn't even have to be anyone in the room as long as he had some cause to THINK he was in danger. Perhaps he was drunk and thought the portrait was attacking him or something.

>>16693788
/RED/ Kinzo had had one glass of absinthe earlier that day.

/RED/ Kinzo did not think the portrait was attacking him.

>>16693795
Perhaps his absinthe had been drugged with some kind of hallucinogen? Something like that shouldn't violate Knox's 4th right? In that case, either Genji or Nanjo would be primary suspects.

>>16693817
/RED/ No hallucinogen was ever given to Kinzo or taken by him in any way. Kinzo was in perfect state of mind the moment the family heard the commotion.

>>16693836
Even if he was sane, that doesn't rule out the possibility of a misunderstanding leading to him jumping out the window on his own. We can't be sure someone was even in the room with him.

and just for fun,

/BLUE/The culprit killed Kinzo beforehand and recorded the struggle. They then set the recording to go off at a time when they had an alibi. They also placed the corpse and the portrait on some sort of remote controlled catapult mechanism and secretly used it to launch both out the window after hearing the recording go off./BLUE/

Has anyone here read Umineko in Japanese? I've seen a lot of people saying that Ryukishi's prose is absolute dogshit and I wanna know if anyone here can give their comments about it.

>>16693904
>Knox 4th. It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used.
A remote controlled catapult mechanism that launched a portrait and a dead body out of the window? You are incompetent.

I'll play along though.
/RED/ Kinzo was alive and all the yelling and screaming everyone heard was genuinely Kinzo at that time, not prerecorded.

Anyone's allowed to join in by the way. I remember seeing some upset anons saying they missed out on the mystery. I'll answer some Blues if people have them in the meantime.

>>16693687
/Blue/ A seagull entered the study and started making a mess, and eventually started tearing the portrait of Beatoriche
Kinzo threw the portrait outside to protect it, but then he realized the seagull was taking flight after the portrait,so Kinzo shouted the name of Beato as he leaped out of the window to shield her portrait with his boy
/blue/ this was actually all according Kumasawa plan wich involved Mackerel perfume

>>16693940
That's probably because some of the clever anons sometimes solve the mysteries too quickly before others even get a chance to see them. I'm in no hurry though, so I'll take my time and casually think of some ideas.

Still no denying that Kinzo was alone in the room and just jumped out the window himself for whatever reason?

>>16693965
All according to keikaku.

>>16693940
/blue/ kinzo was on the phone with someone who was threatening to attack the room (nanjo or kumasawa secretly had a phone). Kinzo was frightened and escaped via the window with his waifu. /blue/

>>16693768
>/RED/ The only people on the island were those I have mentioned before.
Let's see if there's a sneaky play on words here.

>>16693687
>the portrait of Beatrice

Since Beatrice's name is mentioned, it's possible for her to also be on the island and the one to attack Kinzo in his study.

I can't believe I'm accusing Beatrice in an Umineko mystery.

>>16693976
>That's probably because some of the clever anons sometimes solve the mysteries too quickly before others even get a chance to see them.
That's what's been worrying me. Either the mysteries go on too long and people just want to know the bloody solution already, or they're solved before more than two anons have had a go at it.

>>16693965
This is more of the stuff we need in the meantime. While we wait for other anons to tackle the mystery, this is an enjoyable way to go about things.
/RED/ No living seagull was in Kinzo's study.
/RED/ Kumasawa's mackerel perfume (marketed as Eau d'Obaa-san) was used in order to seduce Nanjo. She sprayed herself with mackerel perfume and invited him for a game of chess, hoping things would escalate later on in the bedroom.

>>16694026
<Good>
<Very good>
Great reasoning. I'm very impressed. However!
/RED/ Kinzo was not on the phone to anyone. Neither Kumasawa nor Nanjo called Kinzo that day on the phone.

It's a great solution though. What really happened is a bit more bizarre but the way your mind works makes me think you could write up a mystery of your own.

>>16693687
/blue/ Gohda brought up some spare supplies for Kinzo's absinthe earlier that day. But instead of grabbing sugar cubes, he accidentally grabbed cubes made out of small bombs. Kinzo was pouring a new glass of absinthe, when suddenly one of the small bomb cubes exploded and set off a chain reaction. He then threw himself and the portrait out of the window in an attempt to survive the explosions. /blue/

/blue/ Kinzo was sitting around; reading the Key of Solomon, when suddenly he got an amazing new idea on how to revive Beato. If everybody believed there was an unknown person on Rokkenjima, then that certainly would bring Beato back! He started knocking everything over, shouting, and then lit a fire near the door.
He quickly realized he forgot to put the portrait in a safe spot and that the fire would burn it down if he didn't do anything. So he threw it out of the window. But right after doing that he realized the fall could destroy it too. So he jumped after the portrait to try and save it, falling to his death. /blue/

/blue/ Kinzo was looking out of the window when he realized he never invited George or Maria to the conference. He got really mad and started trashing the whole study. He decided to come down to talk to them personally and jumped out of the window, bringing his Beato portrait for leverage. Sadly, his studies on flying magic did not pay off as he thought it did, and he fell to his death. /blue/
/blue/ The shouting was directed at George and Maria, it was just a misunderstanding that there was somebody in the study. /blue/

>>16694064
>Let's see if there's a sneaky play on words here.
Haha, picked up on that, did you? I do like to use wordplay, and have done so during this mystery but alas, you are wrong.
/RED/ Beatrice is not a person on the gameboard during this mystery. Beatrice only exists in the form of the inanimate portrait flung from the window.

>>16694097
Hey, hold on a second, did you just give me the solution?
/BLUE/ Battler saw Nanjo and Kumasawa through the study's window.

>>16694094
Loving all these joke answers a lot, really make me laugh. Especially since they weirdly reveal a slight, slight hint of the truth even in their silliness.

/RED/ No small bombs were harmed in the making of this mystery.
/RED/ Kinzo was not trying to revive Beatrice.
/RED/ Kinzo did not invite George nor Maria, Krauss and Natsuhi deal with such business. Nevertheless, however much Kinzo despises them, they or their presence have nothing to do with the mystery.

>>16694087
I often try to restrain myself a bit during the mysteries. Take a few stray shots, then take a break and make some crack theories while others have a chance.

>>16693912
It shouldn't matter to an English speaker desu

It probably is though

>>16694107
>The only people not out for this walk were Kumasawa and Nanjo, who were playing a game of chess in the parlour, and Battler could clearly see them through the window even now.
Haha, that's great actually. What a masterful play of words that would have been. The solution would have been in the initial exposition all this time. I'm afraid I wasn't cunning enough to do that though.
/RED/ Battler saw Nanjo and Kumasawa playing chess through the parlour window on his right, while the whole Kinzo business was going on up on the second floor. Battler had perfect vision of both events.

>>16693687
/BLUE/ Nanjo and Kumasawa got tired of dealing with Kinzo's shit day in and day out, and finally decided to deal with him. The plan was to make Kinzo's death seem like an accident, and the first plan was to fake an alibi. They made cut-outs of themselves and placed them in the parlour.
While the family was taking a walk, they took the chance to get into Kinzo's room where they took their anger out on him, beating him up. At this moment, one of them took the chance to throw his beloved painting out the window, most likely Nanjo after having to listen to Kinzo cry to it for countless years.
Kinzo cried out her name in dismay, and was finally thrown out the window.

>>16694115
I think I recognise you yeah.
I myself take little breaks and see what everyone's come up with, especially once a mystery gets rolling like this one.

Seems like fridays really are the perfect time for mysteries. Early evening for Americans, late evening for Europeans, so we get traffic from all over the place.

>>16693687
>The family is puzzled.
I couldn't help but laugh. I just imagine everyone staring down at Kinzo's corpse like "Huh, now what?"

>>16693687
/BLUE/ It was a suicide. Someone, most likely one of the servants, left a note on Kinzo's desk while he wasn't looking. The note stated that it was from Beatrice and that she despises him for what he has done, and that he will suffer for his sins.
While not entirely believable, Kinzo didn't doubt this note that somehow appeared without him noticing. Extremely distressed, he cried out as he stumbled through his room, pushed the painting out the window and followed it in the hopes that sacrificing himself like so would be some sort of atonement.

>>16694139
"Wouldn't put it past him."

Let's make things interesting.

It seems plenty of people are having fun with this mystery. Some are being serious, some aren't, and some are being really clever without knowing it.

As the Game Master, I shall award two prizes tonight.
One will of course go to the anon that completely solves the mystery.
One will go to the most ridiculous, yet plausible answer. This means it's over-the-top and ludicrous, but still works within the Reds.
One will go to the funniest answer. Same as above, but completely implausible.

This way both serious players and people trying for the first time (or just having a bit of fun shitposting) can have their say.
I will be gone for a short while, but do not fear, I will answer each and every Blue you throw at me in the mean time.

Please, let the game commence!

Let's make things interesting.

It seems plenty of people are having fun with this mystery. Some are being serious, some aren't, and some are being really clever without knowing it.

As the Game Master, I shall award three prizes tonight.
One will of course go to the anon that completely solves the mystery.
One will go to the most ridiculous, yet plausible answer. This means it's over-the-top and ludicrous, but still works within the Reds.
One will go to the funniest answer. Same as above, but completely implausible.

This way both serious players and people trying for the first time (or just having a bit of fun shitposting) can have their say.
I will be gone for a short while, but do not fear, I will answer each and every Blue you throw at me in the mean time.

Please, let the game commence!

>>16694114
>Especially since they weirdly reveal a slight, slight hint of the truth even in their silliness.
I've got it now. Spoilers for anybody that wants to the solve the mystery on their own.

/blue/ Bernkastel is the culprit. /blue/
/blue/ Kinzo was looking down from the study window, holding his glass of inert small bombs absinthe, admiring his taxidermy seagull, and thinking of ways to revive Beato. Just as he was about to shout down at George and Maria, a black cat climbed up to the window and started trying to open it.
He playfully told the cat to go away, but then a miraculous gust of wind shot the window open. As that happened, Kinzo realized who the cat was. It had to be that vile, evil, vandal cat who knocked over his priceless vase all those years ago! Kinzo tried to question the cat, asking how it opened the window, when it suddenly lunged at him. Kinzo and the cat engaged in a fist fight in the study, causing the noise.
At this point, Kinzo realized why the cat was here. It wanted to take the only thing worth more to him than that vase, his portrait of Beato! He threw it out of the window as the cat jumped onto his face. He couldn't see because the cat was covering his eyes, so he accidentally tumbled out of the window, screaming BEATORICHE as he fell to his death. He died with a grin on his face, knowing the portrait was safe. Battler didn't see the cat because he was more interested in Nanjo and Kumasawa's chess game. /blue/

>>16693687
Kinzo had to be shouting at somebody in the garden, right? There's no other reason for the window to open when they all stepped closer.

>>16694171
Heh, I expected this would cause some buzz but instead it killed the thread stone dead.

>>16694146
Again, some excellent thinking. Removing the necessity of an actual person other than Kinzo in the room but explaining what you presume ensued. However!
/RED/ No letter was placed in Kinzo's room.

>>16694130
I like this one, but it vaguely contradicts Knox 4th again. Well, not really, but even Knox didn't think of cardboard cut-outs. I like you thinking though. You've made me want to throw in a Red though, do with it what you please.

/RED/ Battler left the parlour where he saw Kumasawa and Nanjo play chess and the then he saw them again while Kinzo was screaming. He never saw them while touring the rose garden though as there is no clear view of the parlour from there. Battler only say them when he left for the walk, and while Kinzo was screaming.

>>16694249
I think we have a strong contender for joke answer here, fucking love it. However, once again, weirdly you reveal a slight, slight hint of the actual truth in there somewhere. You'll kick yourself once the truth is revealed anon.

>>16694265
Why so? He was heard shouting before the windows opened.

>>16694276
I did it

>>16694287
He could have been shouting at nobody in particular before they approached. What he was saying was kind of ambiguous at the start.

>>16693687
The entire mansion was being tilted as the ground finally started to give in from under it.
The window bursting open? Something large slid across Kinzo's study and smashed into it.
> How did you get in here?! Have you come to kill me?! Wait...no...
Kinzo sees a clear view of his family through the tilted mansion's broken window and in a panic thinks they're all inside his study, only to immediately realize his error.
>what are you doing?!!!
Unsure of what's going on, he blames his family for what's happening to his mansion and demands an explanation.
The sound of furniture being pushed and trampled on? That was everything sliding across the room and Kinzo trying to dodge and step over everything.
But a few lit candles had also tipped over, and the room was quickly in flames, including the only door in his study.
The mansion tilted so much that even the portrait flew out the window. Knowing that he had no choice but to exit from that very window, he cried out the name of his love moments before he too jumped and flew out the window.

Battler had a perfect view of both events in Kinzo's study and the parlor due to the angle of the mansion that had tilted.

>>16694304
He only shouted "Nooo! No!!" before the windows opened, I grant you. However, and I quote:
>when the windows suddenly burst open. They could hear Kinzo's cries even more clearly now. He kept screaming "Nooo!!" How did you get in here?! Have you come to kill me?! Wait...no....what are you doing?!!!"
/RED/ Kinzo opened the windows. But he never directed his speech to the people outside. He didn't know they were out there, outside, below his study.

>>16694313
I mean, come on. When did you guys get so creative? It's as if as soon as you try to solve things in the most unconventional way, you become brilliant. Again, I love this theory, but alas, no, the entire mansion was not being tilted. I especially applaud you for Kinzo seeing his entire family through the tilted window.

I get the feeling the prizes for most ridiculous, yet plausible answer and funniest answer are more coveted than the prize for the actual truth.

By all means keep going, I love reading all this creative stuff. But if you think you know what might have actually happened, feel free to post your Blues. In the end, this is just entertainment for the thread, so do what you like.

I'll give it some time and then employ the White Truth. I've only used it once before. I basically post five statements in spoilers (so the text is white when highlighted), three of which are bullshit/red herrings, and two of which or absolutely true and of the same caliber as Red Truth.

>>16693687
Need to get this out of the way, please confirm it.
/blue/ It was definitely Kinzo who throw the portrait out of the study.

>>16693687
Need to get this out of the way, please confirm it.
/blue/ It was definitely Kinzo who threw the portrait out of the study.

>>16694358
I will confirm it.
/RED/ Kinzo threw the portrait of Beatrice out of the study.

Are you getting there, anon?

>>16693687
I may be a little picky, but I have a problem with the "All the humans on the island were right there, underneath the window as Kinzo jumped and fell."
Are Kumasawa and Nanjo not humans ?
I'm constructing a theory and this part is very important

>>16694387
also, define "the family" please.

>>16694387
Ah, a mistake on my part. Should've been two separate sentences.
/RED/ Krauss, Natsuhi, Jessica, Eva, Hideyoshi, George, Rudolf, Kyrie, Battler, Rosa, Maria, Genji and Gohda were underneath the window.
/RED/ Kumasawa and Nanjo are humans.

>>16694384
I'm still pretty far away. The only part of my theory so far is that Kinzo was trying to protect the portrait from somebody or something.

Blue: Genji or Nanjo found a way to slowly flood Kinzo's study using the sink, the bathtub or something similar. Kinzo jumped out with the portrait in order to protect it from water

>>16694418
You're on the right lines.

>>16694446
You're not.

White Truths soon, unless someone cracks it.

>>16694470

>>16693687
Here goes nothing.

>No! Never! Noooo!!!
/blue/ Whoever was in the study demanded something from Kinzo. Kinzo refused.
>How did you get in here?! Have you come to kill me?!
This makes it pretty clear that there was somebody else in the room. I don't see how it could be anyone but Nanjo or Kumasawa, but I also don't know how they managed to get back to the parlor.
>Wait...no....what are you doing?!!!
/blue/ The person in the study started destroying objects inside of it. Kinzo threw the portrait out of the window. Still no idea why he jumped.

>>16694470
Same thing as this >>16694446 but with fire instead of water, because why the hell not

>>16693687
>The only people not out for this walk were Kumasawa and Nanjo
What about Shannon and Kanon?
Blue/Shkanon knocked on Kinzo's door and asked him to come out to enjoy the funtimes with the rest of his family.
Kinzo refuses so Shkanon opens the door with the key he borrowed from Genji, which causes Kinzo to get startled and grab his beloved portatrait
Shkanon gets mad at him and tolds him to enjoy the little time he has left in this world and tries to get the portrait off his hands
The fight for the portrait escalates and Shkanon loses his grip on the portrait, and this makes Kinzo lose his balance, sending the portrait flying out of the window Kinzo had previously opened
After that, Kinzo jumps to try to catch the portrait before it reaches the ground and breaks
Spoilers:It doesn't work
/Blue

>>16694470
>>16694509
forgot the /BLUE

>>16694503
>/blue/ Whoever was in the study demanded something from Kinzo. Kinzo refused.
/RED/ Incorrect,

>/blue/ The person in the study started destroying objects inside of it. Kinzo threw the portrait out of the window. Still no idea why he jumped.
/RED/ Kinzo was the only person to destroy objects in his study.

>>16694509
>>16694514
/RED/ No water was used in this mystery.

>>16694513
Sorry anon, but as stated before in Red, Shannon and Kanon are not on the island. I tend to leave them out as they just cause lots of trouble with the whole identity stuff.

>>16694549
Sorry, I meant that /BLUE/ Nanjo or Genji found a way to slowly burn the inside of the study. When Kinzo realized it, it was already too late to run, so he jumped out the window with the portrait

>>16694549
/blue/ Kinzo was the only person inside of the study.
/blue/ Somebody else, either Nanjo or Kumasawa, somehow managed to trick Kinzo into thinking they were in the study. Kinzo started tearing the study apart to try to find them.

Fine. It is time to reveal the Five White Truths.
As explained before, these truths are very much double-edged blades. I will post five sentences and put them in spoiler tags. Hovering over them will reveal the White Truths. Do so at your own discretion. You can always try to solve it without using them (though that will be hard to prove ofcourse).

Remember, that of these Five Truths, only 2 are completely true, and can be seen as Red Truths, while 3 are either completely untrue or red herrings to through you off the scent.

I present to you, the White Truths.
There was a fire in Kinzo's study.
Nanjo excused himself from his chess game with Kumasawa while Battler could not see into the parlour room.
There was a cassette tape found in the study.
Kinzo threw the portrait of Beatrice in order to protect it.
Krauss's suggestion to take a walk with the whole family was very much for personal reasons.

>>16694609
>There was a fire in Kinzo's study.
You could say opening of the window and noises from within the study were Kinzo trying to fight the fire. But for some reason, I just don't like this answer. Also, if this one is the truth, it would also mean the one about the portrait is the truth too.

>Nanjo excused himself from his chess game with Kumasawa while Battler could not see into the parlour room.
This also be disproven, and works with my theory in >>16694573.

>There was a cassette tape found in the study.
This fits with my theory as well. Except now it opens it up to let anybody be the culprit. There are plenty of hints that Kinzo thought somebody was in the study, but as I said, this makes it too open. There is just no way to find the culprit with this one, no matter what theory you go with. I'll rule this out.

Kinzo threw the portrait of Beatrice in order to protect it.
This one can work with almost every theory, and you've already hinted towards it.

>Krauss's suggestion to take a walk with the whole family was very much for personal reasons.
Krauss did not suggest the walk. This one can be ruled out.

>>16694661
Cannot be disproven*

>>16694661
You're thinking well. Piece the pieces together that you know to be true and hit me with a Blue as to what happened that day.

/RED/ Also I have to tell you that my opening post, as always, should not be read as Red. The only things you can trust are those I say with /RED/.

Also, to put your mind at rest, as with previous mysteries, it's much more about the howdunit than the whodunit. Thought a culprit is "available", it is not the thing you should be focusing on.

>>16694699
/blue/ The culprit went to Kinzo's study, unlocked the door, and came in. Kinzo tried to question them, but they just silently started a fire within the study, left, and locked the door again. Kinzo tried to fight against the fire, failed, then jumped through the window with the portrait.
This can avoid using too many white truths if you assume Kumasawa took Nanjo's key and did it.

>>16694771
The problem with the White Truths is that I can neither confirm nor deny them, as it spoils the entire premise. So all I can say to your Blue is:
/RED/ The culprit entered Kinzo's study.

This is hard.

>>16694786
/blue/ The culprit was not in the study at the time Kinzo began shouting.
/blue/ Kinzo mistook the cassette player for a person inside of his study. He tore the study apart trying to find them, and after being unsuccessful, jumped out of the window in his paranoia to escape from what he thought was a killer lurking in his study.

>>16694837
Oooooof, I'm so close to giving you this.
/RED/ The culprit was not in the study at the time Kinzo began shouting.

If the cassette was true, what does it mean? Why did Kinzo react the way he did? How did the culprit make this happen?
If anyone can answer this, it's officially solved.

>>16694877
The only thing that's bugging me is how the cassette went off. I'm just going to assume it was done remotely for now.
I need you to get this out of the way before I can solve why Kinzo reacted like he did.
/blue/ The culprit's intent was for Kinzo to die. This was true from the start, and has never changed.

The culprit was most likely either one of the adults in the group that was taking a walk, or Nanjo. /blue/ Earlier that day, they used Nanjo's key to enter Kinzo's study and place the cassette. Nanjo was involved in the murder, intentionally or unintentionally.

>>16694927
I only mean the first blue truth. The second is just my theory.

>>16694927
/RED/ The culprit's intent was for Kinzo to die.

/RED/ Nanjo had nothing to do with the murder.

It's agonising how close you are. If you just reread your own post and think closely you'll have it. I'd love to give a hint, but I'll refrain.

>>16694946
/blue/ Genji and Kumasawa are accomplices.
/blue/ The culprit used Genji's key to enter the study.
/blue/ Without entering the study, Kumasawa used some sort of mechanism or remote to start playing the cassette while the family was distracted with the walk.
/blue/ The cassette tape used Kinzo's DESIRE for Beato against him. This is my explanation for his reactions.

>>16694972
Have you people ever handled a cassette? Isn't it obvious? The entire trick? How it could be done? It's 5:00 and I want to sleep.

It doesn't matter who, but I shall tell you this.
/RED/ Kinzo's afternoon absinthe was a bit stronger than expected. Yet there were no hallucinogenics .

>>16695015
/blue/ The cassette player wasn't powered at the start.
/blue/ The play button on the cassette player was already pressed. When the cassette player was powered again, it started playing.

I can't help but laugh at just how badly Natsuhi fucked up 19 years ago.

>Constantly looks for any way to earn Kinzo's approval
>He entrusts her with his child whom he cares more about than anything else.
>She fucking murders it.

She's essentially responsible for Kinzo giving up on his family entirely.

>>16695807
You mean she gave it a sex change operation

>>16695807
From her and Kinzo's point of view, she killed it. And that elderly servant woman too.

>>16695894
Meant for >>16695873

>>16695071
/RED/ The cassette player was plugged in the entire time.

>>16696720
Then I have absolutely no idea how it was done. The only way left I can see is Kinzo accidentally setting off the cassette player on his own, but that just feels like too unreliable of a method for a culprit to use.

>>16697133
Read at your own discretion.
What if the cassette was set off much earlier?

>>16697359
/blue/ Only the very last part of the cassette had anything recorded in it.
And this one is kind of silly, but I'll try it anyway. /blue/ The culprit recorded Kinzo's own voice using the cassette earlier that day.

>>16697647
>/blue/ Only the very last part of the cassette had anything recorded in it.
/RED/ Correct! The culprit recorded several hours of silence on the cassette before putting in the sound effects he wanted Kinzo to hear.
/RED/ Kinzo's voice was not on the cassette.

As this has been going on a bit, I'll steer you in the right direction. Kinzo had absinthe earlier that day, and although there wasn't a hallucinogenic in it, there was something in it that caused an effect. This effect, coupled with the cassette recording was key to the culprit's plans.

>>16697816
It's only been taking so long because I was an idiot for a moment. I thought of the recording silence before, but I thought it was too silly, so I dismissed it.
/blue/ The absinthe was drugged to knock Kinzo out. After Kinzo was out cold, the culprit placed the cassette player somewhere in the room and left.
/blue/ The culprit used the cassette to record the sound of a fireplace. Kinzo thought there was an actual fire in the study, and jumped out of the window to 'escape' it.

I cosplayed some Umineko characters and now im working in more umineko cosplays i am a piece of shit
Wicked sisters cosplay and photography if you wanna see them :3

>>16697919
I think I remember you from my previous mysteries, always dismissing your own theories. They're not silly. In fact, the idea of recording silence for a long time before recording what needs to be heard is a clever trick I used to use back in high school to annoy the teacher.

/RED/ The absinthe was drugged, but it did not knock Kinzo out. The cassette player was always in Kinzo's room, the culprit merely inserted the cassette and pressed play while Kinzo was distracted.
/RED/ Among the recordings was the sound of a raging fire, as well as someone threatening Kinzo.

Now piece that together with the fact that Kinzo threw his painting in order to save it and then threw himself out and you should have all the answers. Why would Kinzo think there was a fire just for the sound of it? Why would Kinzo take a recorded threat seriously?

>>16698088
If you mean the guy that solved the bomb shelter one, that wasn't me. I've thrown a couple blue truths before, but I never got as involved into a game as this one.
/blue/ Kinzo was blind.

>>16697962
>im working in more umineko cosplays
Which characters?

>>16698166
Siesta 410,Bernkastel and Leviathan :3

>>16698129
/blue/ Kinzo was blind.
/RED/ This is correct. CONGRATULATIONS!

The culprit spiked Kinzo's absinthe with something that caused temporary blindness. This does not contravene Knox's 4th as there are many common drugs that can cause blindness, in fact habitual absinthe usage causes blindnes as well.
The culprit put the cassette in, pressed play and left. The culprit made sure nobody came near Kinzo's study the rest of the day in case he called for someone because he felt he was going blind.

The day went on as was described. Everyone went for the walk which was timed precisely to coincide with the cassette tape going over to the part where the culprit threatened Kinzo and appeared to start a fire. Kinzo, blind now, is convinced his study is burning down. He wants to escape by the window, but first wants to save his precious portrait of Beatrice. He throws it out, then jumps out and falls to his death. He'd rather risk the jump than burn alive in his study.

Thanks for playing!
See you next time something cries, or you know, I get some inspiration.

>>16698189
Good taste.
I saw a pretty cute 410 at a convention once.

>>16698225
What if Kinzo made it out alive? Could he do it?

>>16698259
I wouldn't put it past him.

>>16698225
What about the other two winners?

>>16698282
Beat me to it.

>>16698302
Ah bugger, I forgot. Give me some time to go through them again.

>missed mystery time AGAIN
I cry every time.

>>16694313
You win the prize for the most ridiculous, yet plausible answer. Well, tilting the mansion isn't that plausible. But I loved the bit where Kinzo saw his family through the tilted window. Very good theory and it worked with the Reds that were in the game at that point.

>>16694249
This has got to be the funniest answer. Congrats anon, gave me a good chuckle.

>>16698129
And of course, the anon who eventually solved the mystery by realising Kinzo was blind.

To all three of you I say <CONGRATULATIONS>

Let's do this again some day.

>>16698419
It's not a promise and I don't do them weekly, but I tend to do them friday nights (European time). So try to be online around that time from now on if you don't want to miss it. Again, I'm sorry.

I might be able to hustle up a real quick mystery for you to participate in.

>>16698432
We both know those don't go so well. I can wait until next time. I guess I just forget last night. I love your stuff.

>>16698422
>To all three of you
Don't be so sure! Next time you do multiple winners, I'll be going for all them.

>>16698435
If you say so anon. I hope you will be able to participate next time. And thanks, that means a lot.

>>16698464
Hahaha, good game anon. That's quite an achievement!

>>16698464
I actually like the idea of multiple winners. Might do a gimmick mystery one day where there are multiple possible culprits and anyone who can persuade me that their character did it wins. I'll give out some Reds at the start and see everyone come up with theories. Seeing people come up with clever theories on this mystery was a lot of fun for me.

>>16680263
It's 100% the anime, a small minority of people have read the manga but not seen the anime for either series (and the manga for Umineko is fuckoff long/expensive with varying artists) and we VN readers are a tiny bubble in either fandom. Higurashi's anime was better and the story itself didn't suffer from slipups and iffy animation due to the insanity element and the easy thrills. Umineko is naturally more complex and confusing with less to appeal to the majority of anime fans, especially when the real gore and fucked-up situations are even more intense than Higurashi's and therefore are harder to show in censored anime.

>>16699812
>Higurashi's anime was better
Higurashi's anime was still pretty bad. I think it translated easier into the medium.

Umineko's anime also failed to capture the impact either of the vn or manga. The vn had great music and narrative while the manga had some excellent visual storytelling. The anime was just mediocre all around. The only real standout thing was the voice acting and the op/ed, which was later added to the vn's remake anyway.

>>16702470
And the voice acting is actually far better in the VN, too

>>16702517
Yeah, I can't fault the anime's casting decisions at all and I'm glad they chose the same VAs for the VN remakes.

>>16702470
It really pissed me off how they didn't put the original BGMs in the anime. The weird remixes they put in were terrible.

Here's a hypothetical to ponder about.

Say you have a street with a restaurant on one side of the road, and a doctor's on the opposite side of the road. Both have their windows open and are exactly on the same level.
Gohda is in the restaurant's kitchen with a gun. Nanjo is in the doctor's office with a gun. They both point the gun at each other.

Who would lose?

>>16702796
Neither would be able to hit the other since they'd be within their domains of power. In this way nobody would lose, but nobody would win either.

>>16702796
A logic error would occur. Both participants can't lose, nor can they win.

Here's one. Kinzo in his study, Krauss in Eva's bedroom at night. Both have set up bombs to go off in the other's room. What happens?

Would you like be an actual real life detective?

>>16703400
That's my dream.

>>16703400
No, I imagine it's far less glamorous and cool and much more paperwork than the media makes you think.

No, I really want to become a mystery writer instead. I have much more fun creating impossible murder situations and thinking of interesting characters that drive the story. It really is my dream to become a published murder mystery writer.

>>16703400
When I first read Umi in high school I'd tell people this and I'm sure I sounded like a huge sperg

>>16703400

Sitting in a car for hours upon hours and hours upon end watching somebodies house or work is dildos.

>>16679933
its 2deep
no seriously, its way more complex than higurashi and therefore doesnt have many fans

>>16703400
Only if I gain detective mary sue powers of observation and logic.

How much do you think is Umineko's music important for the entire experience.

>>16704299
I think the manga shows that it's possible to make it an enjoyable experience even without it, but it definitely plays a major role in setting the mood for any given scene.

>>16704299
40%

>>16704299
Umineko is advertised as a sound novel, the music enhances the experience. Even when I read the manga I end up playing certain tracks in my head for major scenes.

The music isn't so important where the experience is lessened so much that the story suffers for it, but it's still a major part of it in my opinion.

>>16703400
I always wanted to be one but it takes a lot of studying.

So do witches really exist?

>>16705499
If you've read up to part 8,you should already know the answer.

>>16705499
Absolutely.

>>16704299
The reason I prefer VNs to manga and LN is the music so in Umineko it played a really important part for me and I still haven't finished the manga because it's hard for me to get through it without the music

>>16706473
Have you tried the youtuber Goldsmith's channel? He's made videos adding bgm and sound effects to several of the manga's more memorable scenes. He's also done the entirety of Episode 8's manga. I think it really enhances the experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mNG6Q7QFxA&t=479s

>>16706473
Or you could just download a bunch of OSTs and listen to them while reading manga.

>>16706795
I tried doing that but I had to change tracks to often and it got kinda annoying

>>16663022
>This thread is dedicated to mystery writing anon who keeps these threads alive more than anyone else.
Hear, hear! These threads are at their best when writer-kun or edit-kun are doing their work. Surely some of us have a hidden talent we could use to spice up the threads a bit? Well I say that but I have no idea how to contribute..

>>16708084
What we need is more memes. Aside from Krauss on the moon and his nightly rapings, we've got nothing.

I say we try and come up with some stupid memes for some of the less relevant characters. Maybe turn Genji into a Chuck Norris type figure. Or give George an unhealthy sexual obsession with Kumasawa. Turn Battler into a "u wot m8" britscum.

>>16708140
>Turn Battler into a "u wot m8" britscum.
I can see it now.

>Shite....shite.....IT'S ALL SHITE!!!!!
>U tryin' ta tell me hags are real? Fuck off ya cunt!
>"Ushiromiya Kyrie cannot save Battler"?! I'll fucking punch yer mum's face into a pulp Tarantino can't even make a decent film of, ya fucking cunt! Now give me that duct tape ya blue-haired twat

>>16708140
As much as I despise the word "meme", it's true we don't have a lot of "in-jokes"

>>16708140
>>16708167
Out

>>16708812
What's wrong Eva?

I made a thing.

>>16708904
Great work. Combining the both of them gives them an eerie look.

>>16708927
Thanks. I'm thinking of doing Kumasawa and Virgilia next.

>>16708904
This just reminds me of those "Hollywood adapts Umineko" threads, and I'm still convinced Johnny Depp would be the perfect Ronove

I keep re-reading EP6's ending.
That fucking red truth at the end is so fucking mindblowing literally nothing in any episode can compare.

>>16709016
It's what finally made me realize the truth.

>>16709016
>>16709022
Remind me again what that Red Truth was?

>>16708597
Umineko is pretty much a story about memes though. Memes are to cultural information what DNA is to biological one.
People pass on their memes to their children, the behaviors in a society bouncing off eachother to create a dynamic social environment beyond each individual control - that's memes. Everyone is responsible, and at the same time noone is, subject and object become indistinguishable from oneanother. The gold truth is a pretty clear example of memery as well. You have different truth compete witheachother and regardless of whether it is the "real" one or not, people ultimately decide on a story they want to believe in and pass on.

>>16709031
/RED/ I am the visitor, the 18th human on Rokkenjima!! /RED/

Sorry but...

/RED/ Even if you do join us- There are 17 people.even if we include you, there are only 17 people. /RED/

>>16708597
Hey, you are not alone. I despise it as well.

>>16709022
I actually realized the truth a tad bit earlier, with Beatrice chick and Beatrice elder, Shannon/Kanon duel.
Last red just cemented it so hard.

>>16709095
I don't care what anybody says, that only makes sense as something denying Erika is if it's talking about her being a corpse.

Also, I couldn't really "realize" the truth, since I read along with the rest of /jp/ and Shkanontrice was always a popular theory that I disregarded because I thought it was dumb as hell. Episode 7 made me sort of like it enough to admit it was right.

>>16709095
I don't care what anybody says, that only makes sense as something denying Erika is if it's talking about her being a corpse.

Also, I couldn't really "realize" the truth, since I read along with the rest of /jp/ and Shkanontrice was always a popular theory that I disregarded because I thought it was dumb as hell. Episode 7 made me sort of like it enough to admit it was right.

>>16709280
>that only makes sense as something denying Erika is if it's talking about her being a corpse.
That doesnt make sense though. It's specifically stated earlier in the Episode that "person" in this game refers to one body. It wouldn't matter if she was dead, she would still count as a body

>>16709354
Kinzos body is on the island as well, so that can't be right.

>>16709354
Also "6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead!"

And people and person are both hito in Japanese.

>>16709363
That isn't in Episode 6. It seems person only refers to body in the 6th game, since it's stated in red there. In all the other other games it refers to personalities

>>16709358
Kinzo isn't a part of the total count in Epiode 6. It's stated in red earlier that he's excluded since he's dead from the start. So in that case it would have been 16 without Erika, not 17

Don't know if it's me being incompetent but I just finished Chiru and can't seem to find Tsubasa and Hane fully translated on the internet.
Can a kind anon help me here?

>>16709514
Tsubasa's translation isn't complete, and probably never will be. This patch has most of the stories translated though
https://mega.nz/#F!Y1Q30DTZ!VQVoffcMfhuknnmlSmDlEA

Hane's translation is complete
https://mega.nz/#F!kgoAEISC!bEnHPztQG6NYgJ6HQasn-g

>>16709682

Thanks! Apparently there's also a version of Hane with the ps3 graphics is it worth getting?

>>16709682
There's also a manga for Tsubasa, is it worth reading compared to the VN ?

>>16709392
This kind of posterior rationalization to twist the meaning of what is being sense so it all makes sense is exactly why I think Shkannon is a bad solution to the mystery aspect of Umineko. If Battler had Beatos heart figured out why make this kind of red statement just for this one episode, knowing that it would make people question the validity of that solution? I figured the whole purpose of these games was to have "one more person know her heart because that's what she really wanted".

>>16709392

This kind of posterior rationalization to twist the meaning of what is being said just so it fits the answer you have already arived at is exactly why I think Shkannon is a bad solution to the mystery aspect of Umineko.

If Battler had Beatos heart figured out why make this kind of red statement just for this one episode, knowing that it would make people question the validity of that solution? I figured the whole purpose of these games was to have "one more person know her heart because that's what she really wanted".

>>16678435
>>16679205
More Gaap vs. Shannon when?

>>16709016
Literally the scene with the most fan illustrations by far. Probably because Erika was the only good thing in Episode 6, so there wasn't much else to draw or worthy of attention.

>>16711973
The climaxes of each Episode have always been the best parts. It doesn't make it the only good scene.

>>16711973
>sample

>>16711973
Based Goldsmith
https://youtu.be/BaYGwRnyltU?t=982

What are you expecting of the next WTC? Do you think it will ever top Umineko?

Have you guys ever had something like a chat room set up? I'd love to chat with fellow /seacats/ live, these threads can get so slow sometimes

>>16713788
We'll find out soon. I doubt it tho

>>16713810
Well, discord could chatroom could be made, but I fear that /seacats/ would die because of it.
I very much like the idea of chatting with /seacats/ all the time but
1. It will turn into tripfaggotry and shitflinging contest, no matter how wonderful discussion we have here.
2.Threads will die out slowly, and the chat because of its obscurity and dead threads will never have new faces.
3.Being On-topic on chatroom never works, there is always that one guy that wants to talk about some dumb off-topic shit and his day.
I don't want to hear any of that, and I gladly value the discussion we have here pertaining solely to Umineko rather than getting 10 post every minute that are watered down content discussion.

TL:DR No, it would kill the threads and open up way for cancer to set in with no way to go back once it is done.
Keep it slow,/jp/ is that kinda board anyways. I appreciate every post that is made on /jp/.

>>16713968
I agree with this, I prefer checking in here every once in a while over joining a live chatroom because of the speed things are discussed.
If one were to be made, I wouldn't give it a chance and would continue to stay here unless something terrible starts to happen to make discussion impossible on /jp/.

Hey guys, I think I might be in love with steam's EVA Beatrice

>>16713810
People like you should be lined against a wall and shot.

>>16714750
shit-taste