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>>16626772
Lynch the filthy youkai sympathizer.

oh fug

That pose. Leon is that you?

>>16626788
the fan broke to pieces the last time out, what's this going to do now?

A FS game with a Ko-corruption meter, much like the motivation meter in Fairy Wars 'might' be a marketable XX.3 or XX.5 game now I suppose?!

>>16626772
How did Akyu go from being a little weenie into an actually cool character

>>16626891
The magic of Forbidden Scrollery.

>>16626772
The Crypt Keeper hands are still there.

>>16626891
She met Reimu, and like everyone who meets Reimu, she became smuggy.

>>16626788
Is it just me, or does she look younger compared to her last appearance?

>>16626963
Nice try, Yukari.

>>16626891
>>16626960
AQN was always a smug. Have you seen her comments in PMiSS and Symposium?

>>16626788
Nasty.

>>16626891
oi you lickle shet

She's always been cool. Read the damn print works.

>>16626963
She will forever be 17.

so, are these series of comics canon or just fanworks?

>>16627186
Completely canon, written by ZUN.

>>16627186
>>16627203
there is one that isn't really canon, though: Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth

>>16627182
Obligatory "You meant 17 digits old" reply.

>>16627253
Personally, I see the Inaba manga as more of a semi-canon than non-canon; which might be what you meant, but I'm just clarifying.

>>16627311
yeah that's what I mean

>>16626772
Pretty meh chapter, just tons of exposition of stuff we already knew. I hope Yukari mindbreaks Kosuzu for good in the next chapter

Mamizou's going to be upset that the hag is moving in on her prey

>>16627253
>>16627311
I think to write Inaba off as entirely non-canon would be a mistake, since its clearly meant to be part of the Bougetsushou series of works. It's probably best to not take it too seriously because its a gag manga first and foremost and relies on some gags that don't make any sense (Eirin would never get sick) but it does give some insight into some of the characters and their relationships like Mokou and Kaguya. The goofiness of it is endearing.

I find it funny that in almost every manga Yukari pops up only to provoke the MC. She even had an excuse to try and fight the fairies.
Although I think this is gonna be a "red pill blue pill" situation, it's heavily foreshadowed.

>>16627380
It's a little disappointing that after all this build up of Kosuzu slowly learning about the true nature of Gensokyo, she suddenly just has all this information dropped on her in one chapter.

Also, Akkyu's demon hand has made another appearance.

>>16626788
>Yukari in her battle dress
Fucking finally

>>16628084
Boneitis is one hell of a way to die. Poor Akyute!!

>>16626963
If you notice, Yukari's age looks vary in every appearance, I wonder if fluctuating from 17yo tier to ara ara hag is intentional.

>>16626772
Ah, the hag is going to mind wipe Kosuzu for not being an unquestioning drone. Rip

>>16628232
Not necessarily. Yukari has been weird lately. The last time she did anything of particular note, it was popping in on Marisa to "have a look at the lunar orb" (she didn't get to). She said she doesn't think Gensokyo changing is bad, too, which is REALLY weird for her to say and justifiably freaked Marisa out. There's also the implication that she was the instigator of the doomsday arc in FS, which was really dangerous considering that the urban legend incident could have made it real.

>>16628260
>The last time she did anything of particular note, it was popping in on Marisa to "have a look at the lunar orb" (she didn't get to).
Nah, the last two times Yukari showed up were in WaHH. Which had some of her most mysterious and her most human moments to date.

>>16628644
I wouldn't call her appearances in WaHH of note, is the thing.

Her appearance in LoLK and implication of influence in FS seem much more significant. In WaHH, it seems almost like she has beef or concern with Kasen.

It took 48 chapters for something to even begin to maybe appear to start happening in this manga and in the end I bet nothing happens.

>>16629155
Kosuzu happened, and she is cute

>>16626772
If what Akyuu says is true, wouldn't it mean the reason the Youkai subsist on fear and are enemies of the humans only because they think that's the case?

So why do humans depend on youkai?

>>16626788
Hey kid, wanna /ll/?

>>16629374
It was explained pretty well in the last few chapters of FS, anon. I suggest you read them.

>>16629345
Youkai aren't humans, so no it doesn't apply to them. We have direct evidence that if they are not feared or remembered, they vanish.

>>16629397
But wouldn't that change if human beliefs about what their nature is changed?

>>16629423
That, I don't know. I'd call that mostly a theory, I guess.

Or rather, their natures CAN change to an extent. Tengu and Kappa have changed a lot from original depictions, Yuuka doesn't scare humans actively and still exists, Kogasa kind of does whatever she wants and doesn't even follow her own rules (says she survives off of surprising people, can't surprise people at all).

But we have more evidence that humans not believing just results in death. The echo youkai, yamabiko, are almost extinct, many youkai were lost as humanity progressed, Gensokyo had to be closed off and so on.

>>16629423
>>16629451
also from what Kanako says in SoPM it sounds like Gods change based on both belief and faith. Kanako is currently trying to become a god of change and progress.

>>16626788
Of the times the Border Witch has come out of slumber in the manga, have any of them been for anything less but to stop something from threatening Gensokyo?

>>16629451
Speaking of Myouren Temple, Shou Toramaru no longer functions as a youkai but as an avatar of Bishamonten. I do think Kyouko's function has also changed somehow, but I can't find the source.

I don't like Byakuren but she's more practical about working with youkai than I thought.

>>16629480
Hm...

In the fairies manga she shows up once because Reimu fucked up by using her abilities carelessly, and I believe another time to test the fairies and get them living in their current home (they needed to be appropriately weak).

In SSiB she is not really doing anything for the "benefit" of Gensokyo as far as I can tell and is just being selfish (I think she just honestly hates mooncunts, and I don't blame her for that).

In WaHH every time she shows up it seems to be due to one of her random little beneficial plans like with the...I'm blanking on the name at the moment... Ah Zashiki Warashi in the outside world, or she just teases Kasen or seems to want her to be an ally? You could consider her actions always responses to "dangers" here.

In FS she seems to not be doing ANYTHING for the benefit of Gensokyo. Quite the opposite. Also last time she showed up she just told a ghost story.

>>16629379
I still don't get it.
Youkai clearly wouldn't want to harm the only thing keeping them alive in the first place.

It also says that the village would be exposed to natural disasters and other stuff but does that really matter that much? are the humans in that village that pathetic and dumb that they cannot live without Youkai protection?

>>16629669
Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

>>16629547
>In SSiB she is not really doing anything for the "benefit" of Gensokyo as far as I can tell and is just being selfish (I think she just honestly hates mooncunts, and I don't blame her for that).

>In SSiB
>as far as I can tell
Anon, I regret to inform you that you only read every other chapter of the story, and skipped the ending entirely.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Bougetsushou
What Yukari was doing for Gensokyo is spelled out pretty explicitly (and a bunch of secondary goals are hinted at).

>>16629669
Kind of. Keep in mind that they're completely cut off from the rest of humanity. Famine is a lot more likely if you don't have anyone to trade with, and natural disasters are much worse if you don't have anywhere to evacuate.

But, yes, humans do not depend on youkai in the same way youkai depend on humans. Humans on the outside get by just fine without youkai.

I'm pretty sure the village tolerates the current situation because the alternative is much worse. It's true that the youkai can't afford to wipe them out, but they could oppress them much harder than they are right now. And you can bet that's exactly what'd happen if Gensokyo's humans got serious about throwing off their yoke.

>>16629738
I'll admit, I really didn't like SSiB so if I didn't absorb things about it I'm not surprised.

>>16629744
>>16629669
I think it's simpler than that. They're all simple villagers and are comfortable with the way things work. They don't hate youkai, just fear them a bit. Hell, they'll even dance with them or celebrate with them on occasion, and youkai do regularly and openly come into the village.

They're country side village folk. Simple life is all they want and need.

>>16629747
>SSiB
No, I don't mean you read up until the ending and then stopped. I mean the story isn't called "Silent Sinner in Blue". The story is called Touhou Bougetsushou, and it was published across multiple magazines. SSiB is just the subtitle for the chapters that were published in one magazine. The chapters subtitled "Cage in Lunatic Runagate" take place in between them (as do "Inaba of the Moon & Inaba of the Earth", but it's mostly a gag manga).

This is a really common mistake, and leads to a lot of confusion. The wiki link has all the chapters in order.

>>16629806
oh right

Actually, I know about that, and have been meaning to read it eventually, but since it's part of the MOON SAGA I've been negligent

>>16629844
CiLR has a bunch of different characters as narrators and really lets you get inside their heads and learn things about them that they'd never bring up in another format. It's cool.

>>16629547
I am having some trouble finding the other places she shows up in FS besides the ghost story and just now. It's hard to tell what she wanted out of telling the shitty ghost story, but Kosuzu, a village human, learning the village is a faith battery is not a good thing for the continued stability of Gensokyo.

>>16630282
Nor is allowing Lunarians to tamper with the barrier or the urban legend incident to proliferate, yet she's perfectly fine with it. All for both, in fact.

It's implied that Yukari is the reason that doomsday nearly started in the arc spanning chapters 34 and 35 of FS. It could not be her, but this gloved hand and hair usually implies Yukari, and that it shook Mamizou at least made me think it was her. That was a legitimately dangerous thing, and I can't be sure what she was thinking in making it happen.

>>16630332
>Nor is allowing Lunarians to tamper with the barrier or the urban legend incident to proliferate, yet she's perfectly fine with it.
Then they clearly aren't bad things to begin with.

>>16630384
They seem pretty bad. Our heroines recognize them as incidents and want to stop them. The urban legend incident, they accept, but they still think and know it's dangerous.

The thing seems to be that although Yukari seemed satisfied with what she'd accomplished for Gensokyo, she wants to see it change again for some reason. Thus, I have no idea why she has decided to speak with Kosuzu.

>>16630332
I think the doomsday rumor, if she caused it she could easily keep it under control. She does it with the dandelions back in WaHH when she immediately spreads that misinformation about them being good for you and gets the weeds wiped out.

It's like a crack of the whip I suppose. She just got the humans scared of death and ready to be more devout, and allowed several factions to take advantage of it.

>>16630332
>It could not be her, but this gloved hand and hair usually implies Yukari, and that it shook Mamizou at least made me think it was her.
There are gap eyes in the background. Who else could it be?

>>16630436
oh hey, didn't notice that

What is this face trying to convey?

>>16630483
Disgust that a human is in front of her.

>>16630424
I think it's super risky, though.

Letting Lunarians have their way is also risky. I will say, though, I'm interested in seeing whatever it is she's planning come to fruition. I guess the last two times something really big happened due to her influence we got the spell card rules and the Great Hakurei Barrier.

Honestly, Yukari is a really cool schemer character, and her ("theoretical") backstory is super interesting.

>>16630483
Being tired of her friend trying to rock the system. You don't rock the system under Akyu's watch.

Kusuzu's cunny

>>16630490
tanuki, leave

Will Kosuzu become a rebel and join Seija?

http://mononomemenofuto.tumblr.com/post/157688776936/forbidden-scrollery-chapter-48-summary
tumblr, yes, but this honestly gave me the giggles

>>16630501
>TFW Humanity will soon be Liberated from the Tyranny of Youkai

>>16630508
Please leave.

>>16630508
>Humanity will soon be Liberated
You think the youkai will allow that? It's something for them to boast about. Humans are under their Thumbs, being played as nothing more than puppets to be discarded. They will sooner eradicate the Human Village then allow them to be free. Why should they lament the tears of lesser beings?

>>16630395
>They seem pretty bad. Our heroines recognize them as incidents and want to stop them.
Yeah.

So Yukari didn't need to do anything to get them dealt with. She could just let everything happen and Reimu would solve it. After all, the reason she got involved in the IN and SA incidents is to make Reimu get off her ass.

I guess this runs contrary to my point, though. Seems like the best explanation still.

>>16630496
How do you know it's Mamizou? How big is Kosuzu's harem currently?

>>16630506
That implies she could have stopped it from happening. If Yukari wants to /ll/ the cunny, then she's going to /ll/ the cunny.

>>16630488
Yeah I think she's going to attempt to make lemonade with this lemon, so to speak.

Bet she has some plans in store involving Kosuzu and her ability. It's possible her appearance with the ghost stories was to make Kosuzu recognize her as harmless and friendly.

>>16630508
Seija played Kosuzu like a damn fiddle.

>>16630533
Remember that Reimu (who is a human), Keine, and Suika are on the side of the humans, though, and they're three of the most powerful beings in Gensokyo.

>>16630646
>It's possible her appearance with the ghost stories was to make Kosuzu recognize her as harmless and friendly.
This makes too much sense.

>>16630768
>Keine
>powerful
Lol wut

>>16631430
At least on the night of the full moon.

>>16627380
>Pretty meh chapter, just tons of exposition of stuff we already knew
Solidifying how the setting functions is one of the core aspects of worldbuilding and is useful as long as it keeps being relevant. It's repetition, but repetition as a narrative technique, especially handy when not every fan goes through the trouble of reading every work for context.

The fact that this volume so far has been entirely setting this situation up, especially since it's just the beginning, makes me pretty excited.

>>16630768
>Suika
Suika isn't really on the side of anybody. She's potentially the most free-going and non-affiliated character in the series.

>>16630488
LoLK was actually pretty dark in that regard. In the prologue Reimu encountered one of the Moon's terraforming drones rolling through the Gensokyean wilderness, killing all life it touches and immune to anything she can throw at it. It was also invisible to all youkai because of their impurity. And that was a drone. It's doubtful that even Lady Yog-Sothoth can do much against the sheer amount of bullshittery the Lunarians can crank out. Junko managed because she turned Clownpiece into what is effectively a biological weapon specifically for killing Lunarians, and the reason LoLK got resolved at all is because Eirin gave everybody an elixir that was effectively King Crimson in a bottle to survive the bullshit. They also didn't even get to the Lunarians behind the whole thing, opting instead to pacify Junko to stop the Moon from killing everyone.

>>16631830
Yeah, the lunarians are bullshit. The only real help is that a handful of them aren't that bad, like how sagume didn't want the plan to succeed and gave you the pointers.

Although I think the canon ending for LoLK is a no miss legacy run IIRC

>>16629669
What the fuck do you think? They're farmers and simple people without any modern benefits outside of what the Kappa and Kanako provide. Why the hell do you think they could survive a sudden flood or severe famine?

>>16631847
>The only real help is that a handful of them aren't that bad
The Lunarians aren't *malevolent* in general. They were just going to invade Gensokyo because they don't give a shit about what happens to whoever already lives there.

>>16631847
Really makes you think about Neil Armstrong...

>>16632131
obligatory "there was no war in the lunar war"

>>16631889
>They're farmers and simple people without any modern benefits
>Why the hell do you think they could survive a sudden flood or severe famine?

That never stopped our ancestors

>>16632289
Our ancestors didn't live completely isolated from any other human group

>>16632284
>Tfw the Lunar Massacre is being called Lunar War.
And to think they still have the audacity to call humanity inferior.

>>16631830
>the reason LoLK got resolved at all is because Eirin gave everybody an elixir that was effectively King Crimson in a bottle to survive the bullshit
Not canonically, but it was indeed the roughest incident to date on the heroines. ZUN says Legacy is canon, which is insane, but the elixir has some fucked side effects so I understand why.

>>16631830
Oh fug, grimsokyou truly is best sokyou.

>>16632289
There were a lot more of them, and they weren't completely isolated from each other. Entire civilizations have collapsed before, but the human race lived on. A disaster could easily wipe out a small village. Which in the global scheme isn't much, but in Gensokyo, that one small village is all they have.

Just how small is the village?

>>16626788
>Tags: Age gap, Loli, Mindbreak, Rape, Yuri

>>16632531
Well, if the show we got in this chapter of FS is anything to go by, it might be a bit closer to a small town than just a village.

>>16632531
Maybe bigger than a modern day small town or city. It's large, not what you'd immediately think of when you think of a village.

>>16630768
This is probably bait, but Keine really isn't that powerful at all. She's stronger on the full moon but still rather weak. She has no power over Akyuu's Chronicle, either. And like Akyuu, she's pretty much ignored by the majority of the town since no one gives a fuck about history in Gensokyo. Beyond all that she understands the balance in Gensokyo and admonishes the thought of getting rid of youkai.

Suika doesn't side with anyone.

>>16632558
Suika sides with booze.

>>16632531
It looks more like a small town than a village, it must have some thousand if not even a ten thousand inhabitants

Everyone wants a piece of that suzu

>>16630608
see >>16632580
Aya, Mamizou, and Yukari are all preying, while Akyuu, Reimu, and Marisa are going the close friend route.

Reisen might be into it too if she wasn't always getting raped by the immortal milf

What's Akyuu's endgame? She surely has to have thought more critically than "I'm just going to tell Kosuzu that she's consorting with a Tanuki then tell her she doesn't understand anything". She basically prepped her for Yukari to walk in and sweet talk her with whatever she wants to since Kosuzu is confused and frustrated with all of her friends since she thinks they're hiding things.

>>16632657
the classic: "Leave it up to management to sort out scenario" so far, though I think Reimu might have the final word later on.

>>16632657
Well, a lot of FS has been kosuzu being a bit over her head- a lot of the stuff that happens are things that she doesn't have control ove,r they just happen around her. Maybe this is leading up to the start of her becoming a bit more active in village politics and wider gensokyo things- so she might not be one of the big names but she starts being somebody who does things instead of having them happen to her- joining akyuu in monitoring village, maybe taking a bit more of a look back into village history- putting her reading ability to use, that sort of thing maybe.

Next chapter when? I'm hyped.

>>16632784
3 months

>>16631570
>She's potentially the most free-going and non-affiliated character in the series.
I'd say that Koishi is even more neutral, but yes, Suika does whatever the fuck she wants.

>>16633038
Koishi essentially has no desires or wants, though.

>>16633051
And that's why she's the most non-affiliated character, she physically can't care about any faction other than her sister's, and she doesn't stick around Chireiden much anyway.

>>16633061
She IS a buddhist, though. Myouren-affiliated. Technically. You know, for however much it means to be a youkai of Myourenji.

>Byakuren: Likely by coincidence, but that is what it looks like. That is hard thing to do, even for a trained monk. If that's the case, I definitely want this Ms. Koishi in our temple(*12). It's possible that she can approach a state close to enlightenment without undergoing training.

>12: Afterward, it seems that she entered the temple at her invitation. Not as a priest, but rather as a laywoman.

Marisa confirmed youkai genocide maniac

>>16633518
It seems more that Marisa dodged the question here. After all the village believes in them to exterminate the youkai, but all they really do is give them a slap on the hand and let them go after they learned their lesson.

>>16633588
That's what ZUN wants you to believe

>>16633518
"exterminate" really means "pelt with danmaku until they say sorry"

>>16633518
THE YELLOW SLASHER

>>16633588
Ontop of that, Marisa and Reimu aren't really on the "human side", but moreso on the "Gensokyo Side" trying hard to upkeep its fragile balance.

>>16633630
Tell that to the shoe tsukumogami that Marisa killed in FS. It was even trying to become a complete humanoid youkai through nonviolent means.

>>16633518
This Marisa design is the coolest!

>>16633900
I wonder if it was Moe's idea or ZUN's.

>>16633706
they were properly laid to rest, not killed

>>16633706
>>16633954
herp derp thinking of the wrong tsukumogami

I actually don't know what the deal was with that youkai.

>>16633903
Probably Moe's. ZUN's designs for Marisa, while fashionable, aren't what I'd call stylish.

>>16633588
Remember Fortune Teller and the salt dude though? Reimu fucking slaughtered them. I guess you only get a free pass in Gensokyo if you're a cute girl.

>>16633980
Idiots will never understand the resolution of that arc, even though it was explicitly explained.

>>16633980

>>16633996
This.

>>16633969
I'm not sure if I'd call them driving gloves or chunni gloves that Marisa has, as they look like they could be either

>>16633996
Translate it weebs

>>16632784
>>16632812
One month. FS is monthly, WaHH is every two months, VFiS is every three.

So are there more youkai or humans in Gensokyo?

>>16633518
Based Marisa

>>16635675
Yes

>>16635675
>youkai

>>16630768
>reimu in the human side
again, she is an inquisitor

>>16633996
Not the guy you replied to, but I figure the answer is found in how Reimu describes how the sin is a village human becoming a youkai, no?

>>16633996
Chat Shit Get Bang.

>>16633068
She probably went and FOOD! so Koishi's mind tied the place to FOOD so she's like a fucking stray cat.

>>16631847
Remember killing Spacenoids and Lunarians isn't murder. They had it coming.

>>16631830
But LOLK was the worst game of the series.

Zun trying to do SERIOUS PLOTS just sucks.

And this doesn't even come into how shit a game it was mechanically. It makes the UFO gimmick seem like a good idea.

>>16636113
Indeed. At the end of the day Reimu is all about "the way things are" and "how things should be". She wants peace. Humans of the village not playing their part (that is, abandoning their humanity) are incredibly dangerous to that peace, and so deserve the ultimate punishment.

Leave the human village? You fall outside of its rules. In the human village? You'd best follow the rules, because as it's said over and over the human village lies in delicate balance. Reimu is, like, "publicly for humanity" but in actuality is "all about Gensokyo as an enclosed safe zone for youkai and humans".

>>16636173
Disagreed!

>>16636173
>But LOLK was the worst game of the series.
Opinion discarded.

>>16636207
Ah, yeah. So if word got out about him becoming a youkai, and people started following up on it, then all the youkai would practically suffocate.

That fortune teller was more dangerous to the existence of Gensokyo than over half of the stage 6 bosses, then. Isn't that funny?

>>16636164
Now I hope ZUN does a game with Jupiter.

>>16636400
>Isn't that funny?
Not really.
If there's anything I've learned from reading too much cliched shonen manga, is that (Human + Whatever species exists in the setting proper) is one hell of a broken combination.


Yes, that was partially a joke.

>>16636525
Ah, maybe not broken enough though, since Kagerou and Keine are Stage 3s and Sanae is a Stage 5.

But, there's nothing really fantastic about a guy trying to work the system in his favor. I do think that most of the half-whatevers I've seen in my Taiwanese puppet shows tend to rely on the strength of their other side instead of thinking their way out of a problem, as our poor fortune telling friend did.

>>16630508
>>16632327
Greentexting secondary trash, please leave this board at once.

>>16636583
>Ah, maybe not broken enough though, since Kagerou and Keine are Stage 3s and Sanae is a Stage 5.

Are you implying you judge powerlevels by stage appearance?

>>16636596
I was playing around, I swear.

Can't argue that in a series with Kanako as a stage 6 and Suwako as an extra.

>>16636472
So what would Scirocco look as a 2hu girl?

>>16636596
Anon, he was responding to a joke. Cut him some slack.

>>16636525
>If there's anything I've learned from reading too much cliched shonen manga, is that (Human + Whatever species exists in the setting proper) is one hell of a broken combination.
Makes me wish ZUN would actually dip a bit into Rinnosuke's past, since it's sort of implied he's existed for a long time and it was only in recent years he took up the Curiousities job after working under Marisa's father.

You'd think a straight up born youkai/human hybrid who seems immune to both physical and spiritual illness and disease with a youkai's lifespan would raise an eyebrow in a society where the lines between human and youkai are painted very clearly.

>>16636400
Really, if being pure human isn't your thing, trying to get yourself as a magician is the way to go.
It's a lot less malicious a way of doing things, it lets you get in good and it's a nice slow way of doing things where it's going to take a while for anyone to notice, and you have however long you spend as a human mage before you go full magician. Hell, I don't think magicians even need belief the way youkai do.

But if that's not your thing and you're wanting a more full blooded youkai transition, then leave the village and wait a good while before you go for the shift.

>>16637591
you can also try being a hermit

+ Immortality without any problems (magicians tend to have weak constitutions from all their experimenting to become magicians).

- Shinigami (actually kishin) regularly trying to take your life.
- Takes a long time, some methods leave you as an old person in body at the end.

>>16637392
I think he's made his point by setting up shop in a strange area (not in the forest but close enough to it that almost nobody normal visits, human or youkai)

His personality is that of a reclusive dick.

>>16637770
Or just kill Mokou and eat her liver. Or just ask her if you can (she probably wouldn't say yes but it can't help to try)

I mean, all you'd need is a gun.

>>16637788
she gets back up really quickly and usually on fire, so I don't think you could actually get away with it

Maybe if you knocked her out, or got her while she was sleeping, but I'm not I'm not even sure you can knock her out since she instantly heals from minor wounds, takes a while for bigger ones (if she didn't die at least, because death results in full restoration). Sleep is your best bet but she'd likely wake up when you got to her stomach. And then you'd be a roast.

>>16637788
>kill Mokou
Huh?
>all you'd need is a gun
Huuuh???

Do you even understand how her immortality works?

>>16637816
She's probably immune to drugs since the elixir makes her immune to illnesses.

>>16638228
I thought the main ability of her "immortality" was basically to reject any and every change to her body and turn it back to her "original form"

>>16637788
We know Mokou doesn't give a shit about anything. Hell, her story in ULiL is that she was trying to die (again) and her gameplay style revolves around her killing herself repeatedly. If you asked her "hey can i kill you and eat your liver" she'd hardly think twice about it.

>>16638827
No, she would.

She wants to die but having your guts eaten is something else. She fights against Yuyuko and Youmu partly because Yuyuko's considering eating her, and she only resigns after the two beat her.

>>16638827
also pic related

>>16638827
also pic related

2nd go, thanks 4chan

>>16637392
Rinnosuke is probably my favorite character, and that has also always bothered me a little bit. It's weird how the subject is never touched upon even when he directly interacts with people like Yukari.

>>16637392
Rinnosuke isn't really featured in a lot of things because he's a recluse and his shop is full of weird shit from the Outside that he just hoards. I think it's obvious he's looked at like a weirdo so the people probably pay him no mind.

>>16638827
Would Mokou really want another victim of the Hourai curse though? Or would she decide that another one to keep her company would be good?

>>16640643
That is the big question, yes. If worst comes to worst though, you could just kill her yourself (bullet to the head while she's turned around, poisoned drink, whatever) and then eat her liver quickly before she respawns.

>>16641200
she respawns within seconds

>>16641200
>poisoned drink
>and then eat her liver quickly
How fast does the elixir work?
If you didn't just die, you may be permanently in a state of suffering from poisoning.

>>16641243
I thought it said life-threatening injuries took some time to fully regenerate though.

>>16641311
that's what is said, yes

But in gameplay, we see she revives practically instantly from death (in the extra your killing her, in ULiL she has some attacks that suicide her only to have her return in an instant). I think it's like, "death" registers a faster regen, but "life threatening" isn't instant.

>>16641321
Eh, you can survive headshots.
Better idea is to throw her into an incineration chamber and nab the liver as soon as it comes back. The problem is getting her into one in the first place.

>>16637770
>- Shinigami (actually kishin) regularly trying to take your life
This isn't even true unless you're a huge dick.

>>16626788
Mamizou is small time compared to the kind of trouble Yukari is going to make.

>>16627176
>>16627086
you mean the ones where she starts crying like a baby all because she spilled some ink?

>>16627311
>>16627253
It is canon, just not written by ZUN, that's all. Just like things like Yuugi's revealing kimono in the Subterranean Animism promo drawn by Alphes, which even later appeared in game in HM.

>>16632289
our ancestors nearly went extinct from natural disasters, including diseases.

>>16641243
That's why I said "quickly"

>>16641874
Yet here we are

>>16641960
Bottlenecked and related distantly with everyone

>>16641329
>throw her into an incineration chamber
... Your best idea of killing a fireproof girl... is to throw her into the fire?

>>16642285
Mokou isn't fireproof. Quite the opposite, really. She's as fragile as any ordinary human, she just gets back up when you set her on fire.

>>16642415
note: she incinerates herself for some spells and takes damage from her own attacks in ULiL

>>16626772
Reminder that she doesn't have much years left.

>>16626963
Maybe she can change her appearance via border fuckery.

>>16638933
wtf I hate Yuyuko now

>>16642426
Isn't Reimu suppose to be 14?

>>16642524
No? If she was 14, then she'd be a baby during EoSD.

>>16642415
>>16642417
Poor choice of words, admittedly.
I meant that she won't give two shit about being burnt alive. At best, you'll incapacitate her for a few seconds before a charred, flaming Mokou lunges at you, pissed.

>>16632327
I've always found this pic amusing

>>16641860
>It is canon, just not written by ZUN, that's all.
"Official" and "canon" do not mean the same things. SDV is official, but only one story is canon. A lot of content in magazines are official, but not canon. Even things written by ZUN can be not canon if they've been soft-retconned.

The first criteria needed to be considered canon would be a context in which ZUN intends for it to be a piece of the setting. If it isn't content made by ZUN himself, in order to make that judgment it would be more or less necessary for it to be supervised by him with decent scrutiny, even if it is in an official work. Writing would need an even stricter criteria.

The point where things should have been well-supervised by ZUN is where a decent amount of things fail on canonicity. Stuff like Yuugi's alt. outfit would fall out of this, but outfits aren't really important to consider anyways. Inaba fails on the details of the comics, but overall it could be argued that ZUN had at least enough supervision that the overall setting of e.g. the Watatsukis visiting is canon. That's why people are saying it could be considered "semi-canon". Sometimes you have to take things instance-by-instance, works aren't always just "canon" or "not canon".

Where supervision starts lacking is where a lot of discrepancies start coming up; like various details in Aki Eda's art, more generally misc. guest art in official works, stuff that was put in the appendix of EaLND (that actually needed an errata published to fix), and so on. Being able to know what parts of what works had more or less supervision is important in understanding what should or should not be thought of as "canon".

>>16642524
She was 12-13 during EoSD and Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom takes place 12 years later.

>>16642285
What if you throw her into a nuclear reactor going critical? Feel like the radiation and heat would simultaneously melt her and completely destroy all her cells.
But then you will die too if you try to approach her and eat her organs. Damn.

>>16642426
She knows she doesn't have much left to live.
That's why you shouldn't get connected to the Hieda clan, they die way too much.

>>16644723
>But then you will die too if you try to approach her and eat her organs
That, and she'll revive, goes "what an idiot" and flies away.

This was a weird tangent for the thread to go on. Death means instant resurrection for Mokou so you'd need to do what the heroines in IN Extra do and kill her so much it incapacitates her. All of the teams back out of actually eating her liver though. You could also do it to Kaguya or Eirin.

If you want to be a powerful human you should study magic or be a hermit.

>>16640643
Spending an eternity with Kaguya probably isn't Mokou's ideal endgame but I think after so long they've mostly mellowed out to each other. Who knows, eventually they'll probably be friends, they're really the only people who can understand each other's plight.

She doesn't seem to want to make anyone else immortal in IN extra and calls the Hourai Elixir something that a human should never touch.

>>16644789
If Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth is to be taken seriously, Mokou and Kaguya do kinda tolerate each other, and seem to keep the grudge going mostly because they don't have much better to do.

>>16644847
Mokou also dropped this in CiLR
>And that means that another immortal human would have been lonely
It may have just been me, but that sentence doesn't sound like someone who's overwhelmed with grudge.

>>16644901
Indeed, Mokou has lived a long time and is, uh, "better".

Do remember that she has a really insane and frequently terrifyingly violent history.

>>16644847
The finer details of Inaba might not be entirely serious but I think the character interactions and general motivations are done well enough to take seriously. I think at this point in their history Mokou and Kaguya just like to tease each other, but enjoy each others' company.

>>16644937
It's probably hard to maintain an eternal grudge especially since Kaguya is still a person with her own thoughts, feelings, and motivations.

Hell, even Junko, who turned herself into pure grudge, laments after LOLK that she was never going to be able to do anything to Chang'e anyway.

>>16645051
>It's probably hard to maintain an eternal grudge
Unless Kaguya uses her power of eternity on it. But she doesn't really have any motive to do something like that, unless she enjoys Mokou's grudge/wants something interesting in her life.

>>16643756
>stuff that was put in the appendix of EaLND (that actually needed an errata published to fix)
What?

>>16645087
A character guide to Touhou in the volume release of EaLND that was littered with errors.

https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13761.msg976751.html#msg976751

>>16645286
You've got to admit some of those names are pretty hilarious.

>>16630483
Imagine being Akyuu in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Kosuzu, you fuckin' fine, all cute with your tight body and retarded ringing chimes hair ornament. I would totally reveal you the secrets of Gensoukyou, both my previous incarnations and the real me." when all he really wants to do is write another mystery novel in her dressing room. Like seriously imagine having to be Akyuu and not only sit in that chair while Kosuzu flaunts her disgusting apron in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her name written on it in Latin characters, and just sit there, panel after panel, hour after hour, while she perfected that breakdown. Not only having to tolerate her retarded fucking attire but her flustered attitude as everyone on /jp/ tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, KOSUZU LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch the chimes in her hair produce types of ringing sounds you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been writing nothing but a healthy diet of chronicles and later anonymous mystery books for your ENTIRE REINCARNATION CYCLE coming straight out of the boonies in the Human Village. You've never even seen anything this fucking pathetic before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's exploding all around as she bows down to display her embarrassment, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get screentime to sit there and revel in her "cute (for that is what she calls herself)" design, the design she worked so hard for with Moe in the previous issues. And then ZUN calls for another page, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the house guards could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Akyuu. You're not going to lose your future reincarnation over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

Imagine being Akyuu in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Kosuzu, you fuckin' fine, all cute with your tight body and retarded ringing chimes hair ornament. I would totally reveal you the secrets of Gensoukyou, both my previous incarnations and the real me." when all she really wants to do is write another mystery novel in her dressing room. Like seriously imagine having to be Akyuu and not only sit in that chair while Kosuzu flaunts her disgusting apron in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her name written on it in Latin characters, and just sit there, panel after panel, hour after hour, while she perfected that breakdown. Not only having to tolerate her retarded fucking attire but her flustered attitude as everyone on /jp/ tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, KOSUZU LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch the chimes in her hair produce types of ringing sounds you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been writing nothing but a healthy diet of chronicles and later anonymous mystery books for your ENTIRE REINCARNATION CYCLE coming straight out of the boonies in the Human Village. You've never even seen anything this fucking pathetic before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's exploding all around as she bows down to display her embarrassment, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get screentime to sit there and revel in her "cute (for that is what she calls herself)" design, the design she worked so hard for with Moe in the previous issues. And then ZUN calls for another page, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the house guards could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Akyuu. You're not going to lose your future Akyu's Untouched Score CD over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

>>16645586
akyuu likes kosuzu tho

she gets off to the sounds the chimes would make as she fingers the loli cunny

>>16642426
Think that's out of date now, Akyuu should officially be like 22 now, so even less time left now.

Just watch the day Akyuu dies will be the day ZUN officially stops working on Touhou and the series ends.

>>16648828
Is he madman enough to give Akyuu the Hourai Elixir though?

>>16648828
Why will AQ die?

>>16649110
Not only living forever, but remembering it all as well. Horrifying.

>>16649253
My name is Akyuu. I have lived for six million years. I remember every moment with agonizing clarity. My only companions are the three other idiots who chose to drink the immortality elixer, and they spend most of their time killing each other.

I hate everything and long for the sweet release of a death that will never be granted.

>>16649212
Price for remembering everything/reviving with memories after death. 30 year expiration date.

I think she might survive, though, because Gensokyo is different now and she likes this time period.

>>16648828
>Think that's out of date now
Well, it DOES specify that she was 20 back in 2014. But yeah, she was born in August IIRC, so she's 22 right now.

>>16649110
>Is he madman enough to give Akyuu the Hourai Elixir though?
The madman move is having Akyuu end up the youkai when everyone expects it will be Kosuzu.

>>16648828
honestly ZUN putting a timer on the series like that is kinda fucked. Not so much Akyuu but Reimu and Marisa can't really do what they're doing now as cakes

Maybe ZUN is going to write a concrete ending. He seems to be writing more serious stuff and moving big plot points forward like the Moriya ski lift

>Treating people like kids. Our ages aren't even that far apart!
Wait, so how old is Kosuzu again?

>>16656423
Assuming she was 12 at the start of FS (2012), she's 17 now, meaning she's 5 years younger than Akyuu (22)

I'm only assuming 12 years old because everyone treats her like a child. She could have been younger or older at the time.

>>16656712
Akyuun has all the knowledge from her previous lives, so she is kinda cheating.

>>16656712
>Assuming she was 12 at the start of FS (2012), she's 17 now
Man, Kosuzu is looking really fine for an old hag.

>>16656336
But him writing 'serious stuff' is shit.

I mean LOLK was the worst plot he's had and that's hard after HM and ULIL

>>16656903
oh hush

>>16649212
The Hieda clan pays for their reincarnation thing with a shortened lifespan. Akyuu has no intention to die, though, and is actively looking for ways to live longer.

The true nature of Gensokyo and the Human Village was revealed this chapter. That's pretty huge. Plus, the plots of almost everything he's been doing have been getting so much more serious. Is he setting up for a conclusion?

How much longer is ZUN planning on doing Touhou? I hope he doesn't plan on quitting any time soon.

>>16657065
>The true nature of Gensokyo and the Human Village was revealed this chapter.
To Kosuzu.

>>16657092
It was already implied, and also the symbiotic relationship between humans and youkai was already explained, but he had never flat out said "the human village exists to serve youkai, they must coexist or else they both cease to exist" until this chapter. Clever readers already should have known, but it was kind of stunning how bluntly it was said this issue.

>>16657142
>the human village exists to serve youkai, they must coexist or else they both cease to exist
Rather deceptive. The human village is only in that situation because the barrier cuts them off from the outside world.

>>16657652
Didn't Kasen say Youkai could exist outside the barrier and Gensokyo is Isolated because Yukari wants it to be Isolated

>>16657670
I don't know if Kasen said that but, well, they CAN. It is known.

It's much harder to exist. Mamizou is from the outside world and is a youkai. Most youkai died out when technology advanced and fear dissipated, so Gensokyo is "necessary". Yukari was an impetus for isolating it, but many others were in accord, including some humans (such as the shrine maiden of the Hakurei)

Kasen technically was also responsible, I guess, being an old sage.

>>16657670
They can exist, but it is much, much harder since knowledge and technology has done so much to explain away so many things that youkai were thought to be responsible for. Yamabiko are extinct. Vampires are the stuff of fairy tales. Moriya Shrine had to move. Things like that.

Yukari wasn't the only sage though, many were involved in the plan, including Kasen.

What is more interesting is Yukari's current movements because shes doing things not consistent wuth simply holding the line. It seems the winds of change are blowing, but for reasons Yukari hasn't made apparent yet. But talking to Kosuzu and Kasen seem to be part of it. Or perhaps she is using extreme examples to show people how delicate Gensokyo is and how dangerous things like Sumireko's powers can be.

>>16649618
>>16657062
She must have a strong mind to resist getting traumatized by feeling her body giving out and then remembering it all afterwards.

>>16657742
>Yamabiko are extinct
Could be easily fix via mating. Last I check there was one with Hijiri.

>Vampires are the stuff of fairy tales.
If their world is anything like ours than their is bound to be a few people who believe in the Supernatural exist.

And Rural People are still superstitious


>Moriya Shrine had to move.
>Trusting them on their words.
Why?

>>16657670
>>16657685
>>16657742
Though Kasen is also "opposed" to Yukari. Whatever she said I believe reflects that. She serves and values humans while Yukari, to Kasen, sees Gensokyo as serving youkai. I get the sense Kasen regrets her role and maybe could sooner do without Gensokyo, preferring that things take their natural course.

As for Yukari recently, I think she thinks that a stagnant, comfortable Gensokyo is a bad thing. It needs change and some challenge to survive.

>>16657894
>I get the sense Kasen regrets her role and maybe could sooner do without Gensokyo, preferring that things take their natural course
hypocritical, given she provides shelter to rare beasts, some dangerous

Though she'll eliminate those that are VERY dangerous, like that rat.

>>16657062
>>16649618
What decides where the next Hieda is born?

>>16659092
"Where"? They're always born to the Hieda family. I forget when, though. Might've been every 150 years? I do not remember.

>>16659231
About 100 years after he death. It's pretty routine. So you get one born about 130 years (lifespan + wait time)

Are there any mindbreak doujins with Akyuu out there? Will she be ok when she is reborn or will the traumatic memory of getting mindbroken be enough to foreverially ruin her?

>>16657894
Kasen meddles in things (particularly the activities of Reimu and the sanctity of her Shrine) and keeps rare objects and creatures far too much for me to believe she would rather Gensokyo disappear. I think she just believes she has different methods to preserving it than Yukari and is taking a bit more of an active approach to dictating what Reimu does.