/jp/ - Otaku Culture

https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=892448

1080p will take 2 more days.

>>16460743

Thanks for the update.

Migu is now shilling Hokkaido
http://www.japankyo.com/2017/01/hatsune-miku-loves-hokkaido-video.html

>>16461640
Is Hokkaido Japan's Alaska?

We all agree that IA has the best voice, right?

>>16462558
Luka (V2) > GUMI ≥ Miku > Yukari > Rin > IA

So no we don't.

>>16462558
VY1V4 has the best choice hands down. Gumi is a close second.

>>16462931
>VY1V4
Prove your point with a few titles if possible.

>>16462558
Len>Miku=Rin>Luka>Meiko>>>POWER GAP>>>Kaito

>>16460581
Hey, I know this is kinda off topic but this seems the best place to ask.

Is there a thread for Utaite discussions here on 4chan or some other community? I've never found one.

>>16463231
You can talk about it here. People talk about Reol all the time so it'd actually be refreshing to hear about other singers for a change.

>>16463231
you can start one

>>16463330
>>16463333
Guess I could talk here or create a thread, but I wonder if there is enough people. I'm talking about less known utaites.

>>16463375
as long as it's vocaloid utaite or at least a renowned vocaloid utaite it's on topic here

>>16462976
inb4 cillia's fairytale

>>16463375
Talking about it here is fine, it'd be cool to learn about some new utaite

>>16463491
Cillia's "Donor Song", actually.

>>16463330
>People talk about Reol all the time
Yeah, we talk about how much she fucking sucks and shit on her every time some secondary beings her up.

>>16463859
You ok there bro?

>>16463871
Yeah, I'm good, unlike Reol.

>>16463859
I never knew 96Neko browses /jp/.

>>16463896
What's the joke here?

>>16463142
My man

My ranking is like this though:
Len=Gumi>Miku=Rin>Luka=IA=Yukari>anything else basically

>>16464495
You might like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csptx_Y2Eng
I thought Gumi was a real singer when I heard her first. I only included cryptonloids on my list, unfortunately.

>>16464597
Yup! I love that song! Gumi and Len sound so good together. That song and "Ah! It's a Wonderful Cat's Life" are probably my favorite duets ever.

>>16464817
Fug, that was one of my first Len songs as well. I love it. Amazing taste, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8YDGI41mpQ

>>16462558

Either her or GUMI. Think I'm more partial to GUMI, but IA is fantastic as well.

>>16462558

It's a surprisingly close call but she does make it.

>>16463859
>we
Only you, faggot.
>>16463896
Is there some kind of hateful relationship between 96neko and Reol that I'm not aware about?
>>16464940
I think Gumi has a more versatile voice, but no other vocaloid sound as beautiful as IA when her voice us tuned right.

>>16463859
I hate the obnoxious Reol fags, if you wanna be a fag, make your own thread please.

>>16465083
>Only you
You wish. Every time utaites get brought up, it's a shit fest, then someone goes "well fine then I'll just make my own utaite thread" and then it falls to page 11 because no one cares about those talentless hacks.

Best Len song coming through
https://youtu.be/uLBC2kWYFo8

>>16465137
Bro, do you even OTN?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0_thpTpNaw

This is also a serious contender for best Len song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmOeqLHwn5g

Fire Flower is nice, I guess, but the vocals just sound so dated now (God, Len Act 1 was so bad). It's also overplayed to death (along with Migikata no Chou).

>>16465137
>best
Maybe not, but still top tier
>>16465212
Godlike taste. Definitely my top two.
These are some of my favorites. I've got them in higher quality on a nico playlist but it's easier to link the youtube videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDPvDDJgieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiMFQ2zDG3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfghN2SBAHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tESxfE8iyyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrmG_R2yxs8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSC1ml_xyhM
Wan Op is GOAT, btw.

Wait.

Is IA's birth date the 17 or the 27?

>>16462558
Too generic

>>16465478
>The chocolate in my pocket yawned and melted
Toluthin Antenna is too cute for words

>>16465533
The 27th according to Vocaloid wiki and Wikipedia, maybe the 17 is a typo?

>>16465641
>>maybe the 17 is a typo?

Yeah, that's what it must be.

>>16465631
I'm not even the biggest Len fan but Toluthin Antenna is just one of the cutest songs ever

>>16462558

hm...as someone who loves miku,and has thought her voice is the best for many years, i have come to believe IA is definitely equal to her. miku is definitely harder to use though, and there are talented producers who can make IA and gumi sound amazing but their miku is nothing special.

my top 3 is definitely miku, IA, gumi. otomachi una and nekomura iroha are also very good.

>>16465555
Just like those quads

>>16465555
IAfags BTFO
How will they ever recover?

>>16465631
>>16465690
There's really nothing else like it.

>>16466730
Recover from what?

When will IBM-Sama get an update?

>>16462829
Strange to see someone liking Old Luka...

>>16467963
Why? It would be strange to see someone liking Luka V4X.

>>16467963
Old Luka is pretty good, anon.

IA=Rin>Len=Miku>Gumi>figurative shit>Luka>literal shit>Meiko=Kaito

>>16468245
Meiko has some good songs.

>>16468250
The fact that he put the Kagamines above anyone else should have made it obvious he was trolling. Opinions may very but it is undeniable that neither of their voices ever sounded very good.

>>16467963
Apologize.

>>16462558
Most definitely

>>16468309
Nah, no one has as terrible of a record as Kaito of never once sounding good lol.

>>16468309
>he doesn't like Rin or Len
And you call yourself a vocaloid fan.

>>16462829
I agree, this order is perfect.

>>16468590
I like the Kagamines but he's right. They don't sound as good as IA or Gumi unless they are skillfully tuned.

>>16468309
Not even true. Their Appends and V4X are objectively good, quality-wise, and IMO they sound great too.

>>16469033
Any Vocaloid without good tuning will sound bad, though, I've even seen some atrocious IA/Gumi tuning out there too. There are a lot of producers very skilled at tuning using the Kagamines as well.

>>16469173
Yes, but the kagamines require much more effort to sound good, that's why they usually don't sound as good as vocaloids with top tier voices.

>>16469173
>objectively
Nope.

>>16469298
Kagamine V4X are objectively better quality-wise than most of other bullshit released this gen lol

>>16469263
>they usually don't sound as good as vocaloids with top tier voices
In your opinion you mean. If even a bunch of randos on youtube can make them sound decent it must not be that hard.

>>16469298
Quality is objective, yes. You can like or dislike Rin & Len but the quality in their voicebanks is there.

>>16468176
I don't know, everyone seems to love the updates, but my feelings have been very mixed about them.

>>16468176
Sarcastic or not, I guess it's true.

>>16468239
I know, I mean,
her voice doesn't sound particularly clear or impressive at first sight, but people made so many good songs with her, it just became natural and I became really fond of it. Her new voicebank is so very different almost like another person and it feels distant.

I said it a few times already, but I wasn't impressed by Onn either, it feels very breathy and forced. Yukari's whisper Utau honestly sounded better, even if a bit shabby. Lin wasn't bad just not very good.
At least Jun remained close to her V3.

>>16468176
Sarcastic or not, I guess it's true.

>>16468239
I don't know, everyone seems to love the updates, but my feelings have been very mixed about them.

>>16468379
I know, I mean,
her voice doesn't sound particularly clear or impressive at first sight, but people made so many good songs with her, it just became natural and I became really fond of it. Her new voicebank is so very different almost like another person and it feels distant.

I said it a few times already, but I wasn't impressed by Onn either, it feels very breathy and forced. Yukari's whisper Utau honestly sounded better, even if a bit shabby. Lin wasn't bad just not very good.
At least Jun remained close to her V3.

>>16468309
at no point have either been worse than Kaito or Meiko
and v4x makes Len & Rin honest-to-god good straight out of the box

>>16469520
>I don't know, everyone seems to love the updates
I'm pretty sure almost everyone disliked V4X

I haven't actually heard any v4 Rin songs. Can you lads post some?

>>16469559
Do you think they'll fix her?

>>16469430
>Quality is objective, yes.
I agree.
> the quality in their voicebanks is there.
Unless you compare them to actually good sounding vocaloids, in which case they sound completely, totally, absolutely average.
The quality is there, sure, but it's not very high.

>>16469539
>at no point have either been worse than Kaito or Meiko
That's not a very high hurdle.
Remember that time when they released the vocaloid 2 update and they sounded so bad that CFM had to apologize and remake it? So yeah, at one point they were even worse than Meiko.

>>16469878
>actually good sounding vocaloids
such as?

>>16469919
Right, I forgot that since you're an EOP secondary, you only know the Cryptonloids.
Almost any other vocaloid sounds as good or better than the Kagamines
>hurr durr you can't point a specific example out because you don't know any!
Sure.

>>16470054
>ask for examples
>get faggy reply
This shit again, huh?

>>16470054
Who are you quoting?

>>16469560
Personal favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2O8B3i6Ps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGvh1t2fLkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhRe642nPQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTHloFfWk4Q

>>16469878
If the quality is good enough, then liking them or not should be just a matter of opinion, right?

>>16469570
I hope they do, but I don't think they will.

>>16470054
I do agree that the kagamines' voice banks have inferior quality than vocaloids like IA or Gumi, but, for god's sake, can you stop calling everyone EOP for no fucking reason? You're more annoying than the faggot who always shit on Reol whenever she's mentioned (if you're not the same person). Also
>secondary
Why do you keep shouting this? What this even mean?

>>16470279
>wahh quit picking on EOP secondaries
Spoken like a true EOP secondary.

>>16470395
What does "secondary" even mean in this context? How can you tell how many languages a person speaks just from reading their opinion about a particular Vocaloid? Teach me your ways, glorious nippon-speaking senpai

>>16470395
>weaboo trash thinks he's cool because he speaks chink language that serves no purpose outside japan

>>16470423
there are plenty of purposes for knowing japanese.

also, we're discussing a type of music aimed only at japanese speakers. while understanding japanese may greatly improve the experience you get out of it, we're technically all still secondary to the intended demographic.

now you can both stop arguing.

>>16469430
>quality is objective
Nigga what?

>>16470476
I don't want to argue. It's just you know who it is just from the tone.

>>16470423
>Chad thinks he's cool for trashing Japanese even though he's posting in a thread dedicated to Japanese virtual singers, on a board dedicated to Japanese culture, on a website made originally to discuss anime

>>16470588
I'm not trashing japanese, i'm trashing you for thinking knowing a language makes you inherently superior.

>>16470619
>I'm not trashing japanese
>"chink language that serves no purpose outside japan"
And knowing multiple languages does make one inherently superior to monolinguists.

>>16470395
Literally why? I'm not even an EOP but why do you keep bringing this up lol are you actually 5? It's so pointlessly pathetic, I don't get it

>>16470640
Congrats. You can watch animu without subtitles. Really worthwile.

>>16470546
Goddamn it do we need to get into this discussion again? "Quality" is an inherent trait of any voicebank that encompasses their pronunciation, clearness, sound quality, etc etc etc.

"This vocaloid sound clear and has good pronuncation, it also sounds relatively good out of the box with minimal tuning" = quality Vocaloid.

>>16470476
>there are plenty of purposes for knowing japanese
I'm pretty sure most people here learned japanese for weebness's sake. I'm also sure that their japanese is shit and they couldn't hold a conversation with a nip for five minutes.

>also, we're discussing a type of music aimed only at japanese speakers
Wrong. Several producers provide romaji and translated titles of their songs, some provide even full translated lyrics, all for the sake of their western fans. Crypton and First Place even hold concerts in the west.

>we're technically all still secondary to the intended demographic
This is what secondary means? The way this word is used here doesn't make sense, then.

Calling people EOP is retard because a lot of anons, if not most of them, are not native english speakers and thus bilingual.

>>16470670
Typical EOP, thinks he's somehow better off because he has to rely on translations.

>>16470705
Not him, but if this is how you interpreted what he said, you must have some kind of mental problem.

>>16470170
Thanks. In the first 2 songs you posted Rin's voice sounded really... airy and hollow? When I think Rin I think more Meltdown and Iroha Song where she is singing high notes but still putting out a "powerful" and full tone.

>>16470698
So you're saying people who mindlessly fire off "EOP!" at people when they disagree with their opinion are retarded? Who would have thought

>>16470729
First song is probably one of her appends (Sweet? Warm?). Her normal voicebank does sound a lot less rough than her previous ones though, which I think it's a good thing (badly tuned Rin could sound kinda grating before).

>>16470733
>>16470698
t. EOP

>>16470645
They have so little that they feel the need to cling onto the one thing that makes them "special"

>>16470279
I suppose it would be silly to expect people to use her V2 again.

I guess a lot of people did move on...

>>16470705

>>16470992
maybe you should just... not give them attention

>>16468968
I'd like to add that I still like IA too, there are a bunch of great IA songs I love out there, and she can sound really nice if tuned well.

With that said there's something about IA that somewhat grinds my ears, and I can't get myself to listen to her for long periods of time. I can't really get myself to like many of the artists using IA either as they don't really fit the genres I normally like, either that or because those said artists' music also grind my ears. So in the end IA is the Vocaloid I listen to the less out of all of them. It does sometimes happen for me to have IA crazes though, but it's still rare.

>>16470687
>I'm pretty sure
conjecture

>Wrong.
vocaloid was created in japan and remains there. it is dead-nothing in the western hemisphere. ask your mom what a vocaloid is. ask random schoolchildren, if you could even possibly avoid being arrested.

>Several
guards my point rather than disproving it.

>secondary
it's because you incessantly infiltrate calm topics to abuse a term you don't know the meaning of to insult others. that's why it doesn't make sense to you.

>>16471327
that's a rare combo

>>16471342
>vocaloid was created in japan and remains there. it is dead-nothing in the western hemisphere
weren't the first vocaloids English?
also, just because it's not mainstream it doesn't mean it's "dead-nothing"
while I've never been to a concert, I keep hearing they're usually full in the west
Expos/concerts, Letterman appearence, localized games, English/Spanish etc voicebanks... far from "dead-nothing" in the west

What do guys recommend for Loid plushies?

>>16471403
>weren't the first vocaloids English?
Where do you get that idea from?

As for the concerts, yeah, expo 2016 in New York was packed to the rafters. In fact, we'll probably need a bigger venue next time she comes to town. Definitely not, "dead-nothing".

>>16471712

Magical Mirai 2016 now up on PTP and AB in 1080. Nyaa will be later.
I'll probably be re-releasing the 720 using the 2.0 track instead of the 5.1. IMO it sounds crisper and it saves half a gig.

>>16471498
I have just about all the Len ones. Sega jumbo plushies are super soft, but they only have Miku, Rin, Len, and Luka made right now. I'll post pictures later.

>>16471846
I'd personally welcome a lighter 720p version. Thanks for what you do.

>>16471342
>conjecture
I'm right though.

>vocaloid was created in japan and remains there. it is dead-nothing in the western hemisphere
See >>16471403

>ask your mom what a vocaloid is. ask random schoolchildren
Ask a functional member of japanese society. Ask a japanese school child. They'll at best have a vague idea of what Hatsune Miku is.

>it's because you incessantly infiltrate calm topics to abuse a term you don't know the meaning of to insult others
I never called anyone secondary.

Also I can't believe you and >>16471712 seriously didn't know that the first vocaloids were engloids.

>>16471883
>Also I can't believe you and >>16471712 seriously didn't know that the first vocaloids were engloids.
I can, because they're secondaries.

>>16471997
when will this meme die

>>16471864
>>16471498
Here is my plushie collection.
Please send help.

>>16472458
>Please send help
No need, just give them all to me

>>16472458
>Bills

>>16472483
Hometown team

>>16472458
>Fuckin Bills
Maybe next year, jabroni.

I do love your collection, though.

>Kaito update won't save him

https://twitter.com/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/769523829630656512

>>16470476
I won't get into this stupid argument at all but
>we're discussing a type of music aimed only at japanese speakers
is just not true at all. It's okay if you personally only care for Japanese songs and the Japanese scene but that doesn't mean that English, Spanish and other languages don't get a lot of love and songs too, regardless if they are created by Japanese people or not.

It might not be something on a commercial level but the indie scene is there and it is nothing to laugh at. People are making covers, original songs and having fun and that is important and as relevant as any nico song.

It is a genuine part of Vocaloid but maybe not the one people focus on here. I hope you don't think Sharing the World and Hand in Hand are the only songs out there.

The collector in me wants this but it's kinda pointless since you know you've heard every song on it a hundred times before.

>>16472007
Not him but it's not a "meme", from a certain perspective, "secondaries" are definitely a thing.

With that said there is absolutely no reason to use this word other than to insult people, no constructive conversations can emerge from calling someone a secondary because said targeted person will not admit nor (want to) understand the accusation. It's human nature, people do not like feeling insulted or inferior to others. So while I sometimes personally feel like some people here are stinking secondaries I just keep it to myself since there's absolutely no point insulting people other than stroking my own ego.

Admittedly it did get to me in the past and I did cross the line, but it still went nowhere, because people I saw like retards just continued being retards all throughout the argument with no end in sight, refusing to comprehend the matter at hand. Conclusion : just live your life and don't get too stuck up in arguments in this general, it's not worth it, especially since anyway there are no other good places to talk Vocaloid on the internet, so might as well make the stay here at least enjoyable.

>>16472563
>>16472474
Also this is my desk.

>>16472862
>feeling superior to someone because you know a language better

>>16472862
But in all honesty, do you really need to understand the lyrics to enjoy the song? I just like how Japanese sounds in music, I don't want to read Japanese literature or anything.

And I don't really understand how knowing Japanese magically makes you no longer a secondary when you still aren't a Japanese person, living in Japan for whom these products and songs are made and marketed, you still have to import and wait for them.

I mean I don't really understand the term myself obviously. I just assume "secondary" means someone who gets things last and is not the target audience which is Japanese people living in Japan.

>>16472899
>>16472912
Assuming it isn't the same person, I don't think they were talking about "people not speaking Japanese"(or EOP, as the idiot keeps repeating).

I too, considered people who only talk about songs from the Diva games "secondaries", because they never or hardly went past the games.
It irked me a bit that the only people to talk about songs with only knew them from a limited scope.
Not saying I went on crusades against them, I just find it a bit annoying.

>>16472862
But I agree, it is stupid to insult people because of some stupid made-up limits.

I know it's not a "meme", but it feels like it's becoming one.

>>16472892
Fuggin beautiful.

>>16472912
>>16472899
Whether you want to admit it or not, in terms of otaku culture, where everything is Japanese, someone who knows Japanese has an objective, undeniable, certifiable advantage over someone who doesn't. You can't act like you're on equal footing with someone when you can't read.

>>16472892
Nice Haikyuus

>>16473014
Advantage in what exactly? Should I feel superior over you because I bench 300 pounds and tell you so over the internet? No, because it's irrelevant to the discussion we were having.

>>16472899
>>16472912
As anon said here >>16472972 I wasn't referring to EOPs in my post but secondaries as a whole, like people with very limited (not varied) taste or general knowledge of the Vocaloid/UTAU medium, etc. So it looks like you were not arguing with me but with some previous anon.

As pretentious as it sounds though I do agree with >>16473014, especially in the case of Japanese which is far different from Western languages and cannot be transcribed and understood fully even if translated. EOPs cannot understand this so they will refute it. To put into perspective it's like saying you can relate to someone having had a horrible life experience - no you can't, you can imagine it, but you can't know exactly how that person has felt.

It may be difficult to understand for some people here who come from tumblr, reddit or even facebook but /jp/ used to be a place for NEET scums and pure blood otakus to gather and completely immerse themselves into shared hobbies and passions, so as I and anon said above, it is indeed annoying to know we're now browsing a board with secondaries who can't help themselves being amazed at diva-tier songs.

Ultimately no one is right or wrong, we simply need to put our ego aside and coexist, since arguing is not a valid option as it can't go anywhere. Perfect example here >>16473181 of anon denying anything that goes against his views and person as it would be admitting he is "inferior".

>>16473189
>put egos aside
>makes elitist post
Choose one and only one.

>>16469886
true
but that was forever ago at this point, and the other bit was that v4x brought them from "tolerable at best" to sounding fantastic, so considering them the best is actually a somewhat reasonable (if misguided) possibility rather than a sign that someone is effectively deaf

>>16473181
>Advantage in what exactly?
In being an otaku.
>Should I feel superior over you because I bench 300 pounds
If this were /fit/, yes. That would be the same thing.

>>16472972
>the same person
no.
>I know it's not a "meme", but it feels like it's becoming one.
It just seems to me like one person that wants to bring attention to the subject any chance he gets. Smells like a troll in all honesty.

>>16473014
Even so, constantly throwing it around feels most like someone trying to feed a superiority complex. So much so that even if everyone on /jp/ was forced to be a fluent Japanese speaker, those same people, or one person, would proceed to find other ways to feel superior yet again, like comparing how many figures you own, or album CDs, or how many songs you know, the amount of money you spend monthly on the hobby, or the year you got into Vocaloid. I'm sure some already do when it comes to the last one.

>in terms of otaku culture
Well that is just you assuming that everyone should be engaged in the same way or be on the same level as you. It really puts the term "secondary" into perspective, you just want to say casual. It's just that the word itself is very misleading, confusing when technically you are still a secondary to a Japanese person living in Japan, and the people who you call secondaries are more like third wheels in that case.

In that case if what you actually want to say is "casual" then I do have to admit that I am a casual when it comes to Vocaloid. I don't really care for Vocaloid doujins, or other merchandise for that matter, I just like the music, and it doesn't have to be Japanese songs too.

Which kind of begs the question, if I want to post non Japanese Vocaloid songs is that still on topic? How about if the songs are still made by a Japanese person? For example I found some nice ones in various European languages so? Mostly folk song covers.

>>16473189
>cannot be transcribed and understood fully even if translated.
Friend, I know 4 different languages and in my experience, if you are just not a native speaker there will always be things you won't be able to grasp, even if you study the language. Minute semantic implications are very hard to describe when there aren't even words to describe them.

But this is going waay off-topic.

>/jp/ used to be a place for NEET scums and pure blood otakus
You don't need to tell me that. I was on this site before this board existed. In my view /jp/ has changed. Modern /jp/ feels like /a/2.0 while /a/ feels like /jp-lite/, there used to be more destination.

/jp/ used to be the place where people would unironically discuss "bottled smell of school boy's anus - 100% authentic 10, 000 yen" and I for one am happy that is no longer the case.

Coming back to Vocaloid though, the fandom itself has been much more than just hardcore otaku stuff for a long time now and it is only going to get worse in that regard.

>>16473278
>muh sekrit club

>>16473189
>/jp/ used to be a place for NEET scums and pure blood otakus to gather and completely immerse themselves into shared hobbies and passions
>muh secret club

>it is indeed annoying to know we're now browsing a board with secondaries who can't help themselves being amazed at diva-tier songs
Where in this thread anyone said something that fits in your definition of secondary? I only see people being called secondaries for dumb reasons, like liking Rin and Len.

>>16473198
Thank you for your 5 words greentext template post that is contribution a lot to the conversation.

>>16473284
>if you are just not a native speaker there will always be things you won't be able to grasp
And? Does that invalidate the fact that someone who is fluent in Japanese and thus has a much wider understanding of the language as opposed to an EOP? Just because he is not 100% native tier, what we explained is now invalid? Why so black & white?

Oh but you just wanted to talk about yourself, right? It annoyed you that someone talk about a topic your great person wasn't included in. Got it. In the same vein, your whole post is one big turd. So before turd anon continues on with his goalpost moving and wastes my and everyone else's time...

... I think I explained enough my view on the initial topic at hand which was that "secondaries do exist from a certain perspective", I'll end this on a positive note (perhaps not deserved by some of the "secondaries" who just popped up, but after all I should show the good example) by saying that everyone posting in this thread shares the same love and passion and that is ultimately all that should matters. We can't change people (I'm including everyone and myself here), no matter how annoyed we may feel towards someone else holding different views, taste, knowledge and opinions there's strictly nothing we can do to change it and even less by being aggressive. As turd anon said it's been a long time now that 4chan has been declining, or changing that is if I were to speak from a neutral standpoint. We can't roll the clock back so we might as well do the best with what we have right now, whether we consider ourselves purists or casuals - because after all, there's nothing wrong with being casuals, it's just a hobby, you do whatever the fuck you want with your life.

>>16473340
I could have went on longer but I'm in class. I just wish everyone would stop talking about this and go back to vocaloid, but it's inevitably going to get brought up again by the same person and it's going to degenerate into inane shitposting and 5 paragraph replies that nobody wants to read over and over. I hope that this argument can end, but someone always wants to push it.
>>16473333
Shit taste confirmed.

>>16473358
>says I have shit taste for liking Rin and Len
>posts Len pic
And I didn't even say I like the Kagamines.

Knowing japanese gives you much better access to vocaloid/otaku media, but it doesn't make you a better fan or person. You can get involved in the fandom with or without japanese. That being said, if you have the time and motivation, it's always worth learning another language as it opens so many doors to new experiences and relationships.

>>16473340
No need to be so offended and bitchy.
>And?
Well I just wanted to point out that you are weirdly overpraising something like knowing Japanese. Putting it on some weird pedestal that other people, multilingual people, don't do when it comes to knowing languages. It's just ill-mannered all in all, like you obviously showed you are.

If I, for example, don't care for the aspects of the fandom that require Japanese, why should I need to learn Japanese? Obviously if I wanted to read non-cannon Vocaloid doujins I would learn it etc. I should not be judged for engaging in Vocaloid in my own way different from yours.

It's strange you should be judging me for expressing things from my point of view when I didn't even start this conversation and the core of it is someone being self-centered about knowing Japanese and throwing everything into off topic.

>>16473419
What he said.

>>16472972
Of course casuals exist but I really don't think there's any reason to be annoyed with them. Not everyone in the fandom enjoys EVERY aspect of it, from songs to games to figures to racing to doujin to cosplay to whatever else. There are different people with different levels of interest and experience, and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. Who cares if a newbie asks a basic question? This isn't some dick-waving contest to see who can out-nerd whom. Unfortunately, this competition over superiority/experience occurs a lot in different "nerd" hobbies like this and anime and games, but why can't we just welcome newbies and casuals? What exactly is so annoying about them? Just because they're not as interested as you are in certain aspects of vocaloid? It's all your ego talking, and I'll admit I can feel it too sometimes, but there really is no reason to.

>>16473014
Yes, knowing Japanese will be more helpful with "otaku" hobbies. It shows more dedication as well, depending on the type of person you are. But different people have different levels of interest, different thresholds of laziness, etc. When you criticize EOPs, what exactly are you trying to say (assuming that EOP means non-Japanese speaker for now, since other languages are irrelevant to this topic)? That they are less experienced, less dedicated? Why is that a problem for you? Pointing out that you have some sort of superiority literally does nothing but stroke your ego. All of this comes down to ego, and that's just pointlessly annoying. People are having a conversation about vocaloid, and then YOU AREN'T AS EXPERIENCED AS I AM! Why? Who the fuck cares? Do you see why people are annoyed by this now? It's not even that the casuals are offended or insecure, it's mostly just everyone is just exhausted by your pointless ego.

>muh secret club
If you had been there first you'd all be complaining about newcomers, but in this case you're the newcomers coming from tumblr so you're wishing for natives to accept you. We see the exact same kind of behavior in many different situations across the globe.

>>16473333
>>16473358
>>16473393
There's nothing wrong with liking Kagamines, don't play victims just because some anon likes to bait people.

>>16473425
>you are weirdly overpraising something like knowing Japanese
Not him but if you don't speak Japanese you are in no position to say this nor comprehend what's discussed, no one gives a shit if you "speak" Portuguese, Spanish and Italian thanks to your useless college classes.

You call people being offended and bitchy for getting put at your place but look at yourself, you're acting like some hurt puppy, "I SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED!". You're the one who brought up the topic of Japanese language initially, don't come squealing about how everyone and their grandma are judging you, you goddamn retard.

>>16473426
Why are you blowing things out of proportion? You keep mentioning "ego" but look at yourself, the two posts you linked were absolutely as peaceful as you can get and you're acting as if someone is judging you to he bones, fucking hilarious.

>>16473393
I thought you were saying liking Rin and Len was bad.

>>16473425
>>16473419
Let me expand a little on my comment with regards to what you mentioned here

>If I, for example, don't care for the aspects of the fandom that require Japanese, why should I need to learn Japanese? Obviously if I wanted to read non-cannon Vocaloid doujins I would learn it etc.
Learning japanese is a monumental feat to undertake and it's understandable that not everyone would want to learn it. However, if you are a vocaloid fan you should see the benefits of learning the language and no, its not for doujins. A couple examples include navigating Japan and their exclusive vocalid events, communicating with your favorite producers, understanding lyrics, writing your own japanese lyrics, finding obscure artists, and even meeting other japanese vocaloid fans. The list goes on. I can understand not being willing to learn Japanese, but you should sort of want to for this hobby.

>>16473474
>coming from tumblr
Nice projection. You don't want vocaloid to grow? You don't want more people getting into it? Do you want it to remain only known by weaboo spergs? Sounds pretty sekrit club to me.

>>16472753

>dude instead of a collection album using old music, we'll make a collection album using old music from old collection albums
>and we won't even make new art!

fuck these jews

>>16473500
You want to grow a cultivated garden, not whatever happened to pop up in the yard. The problem here is not that Tumblr is evil and all the people who use Tumblr suck, but the attitude that a lot of the people bring with it is not necessarily healthy (let's just say it has pros and cons), which is essentially "come as you are" and whose flip side is "there's no need to change / improve yourself." There are knowledgeable and helpful people at Tumblr, and ignorant cunts in /jp/. It's not so much about the website itself as an attitude (and of course these are generalizations, because whenever you speak about an entire website there will be generalizations).

On the flip side, there's a bunch of elitist faggots in /jp/ where you wonder why they even come to /jp/ to speak with faggots who are almost all of them, every last one, either EOPs or in some stage of learning Japanese well short of what is required to parse many Vocaloid songs without slowly them down 90% or a dictionary.

>>16473474
>There's nothing wrong with liking Kagamines, don't play victims just because some anon likes to bait people
I like them, but they're not my favorites.

>>16473494
I meant that calling Rin/Len fans secondaries is a dumb action, not that being a Rin/Len fan is dumb. Rin and Len are nice.

>>16472892
Nice! Great taste in figures, friend

>>16473497
Unfortunately those are all things that don't interest me, obviously since they never even came to my mind. Frankly, I am more concerned with Vocaloid moving outside of Japan and out of the hands of Otakus. Creating a casual Vocaloid fan colony on /jp/ is part of that, so I am here to support fellow minded people. I feel it is not just me. It's how things are going in general in the outside world and it's a make it or break it period for Vocaloid.

http://www.mikufan.com/japans-prime-minister-abe-to-spread-hatsune-miku-to-the-world-at-2018-japan-expo-event/

Japan also knows that in order for this to work Vocaloid must be divorced from its niche otaku roots and made digestible to normal people. Mind you this is still on topic, after all you don't need to be an otaku to discuss otaku things, it just comes at the expense of elitists. Then again knowing Japanese is nowhere in /jp/'s rules. It's just something that certain people are insufferable about.

I wish you wouldn't talk about learning Japanese as a monumental feat by the way. It just makes you look like someone who has never studied any other language apart from Japanese or engaged in the wider field or language studies. You should know that it is highly subjective how difficult it would be to pick up a language based on the person and their native Language Family.

>inb4 people sperging at me. I would like it if you could be civil. Act like the 18+ people you supposedly are.

>>16473474
>but in this case you're the newcomers coming from tumblr so you're wishing for natives to accept you.
Christ. How can anyone even type this out without stopping themselves from the pure cringe they're producing. Real question.

>>16473660
>I wish you wouldn't talk about learning Japanese as a monumental feat by the way. (...)
Ouch, getting your ego destroyed again, anon?

I know 3 languages including Japanese and I understand perfectly why anons said how hard and different Japanese is compared to Western languages. Why can't you? You've never learned Japanese, so why are you trying so hard to appear like you have an authority on the matter if it's not to shield yourself?

Oh and let's not forget the "people are telling me I'm mistaken so they're sperging and not 18!". Typical SJW libshit.

>>16473681
>how hard and different Japanese is compared to Western languages.
I wish you had reading comprehension to go with those 3 languages.
>You've never learned Japanese
Linguists analyze languages without having to necessarily study them for practical application as in being a translator or speaker of the language. I can compare language and family groups without necessarily knowing every language in the world, but you know and I do that this is not on topic for a Vocaloid thread.

So you better tell me your favorite Vocaloid right the fuck now.

>>16473705
Nah you're just being evasive once more for the reason I mentioned. Speaking with you is a waste of time, should've taken anon's advice and leave you at your delusions of grandeur.

KAITO Russian

>>16473681
>Typical SJW libshit
>>/pol/

>>16473746
In the grand scheme of things this topic is indeed worthless. The use of different languages and their discussion is an /int/ thing. If Japanese knowing purists want to keep outsiders out then they can just discuss everything here in Japanese among themselves. Oh, but then their poor actual grasp of the language will shine, not to mention that it would be against the rules.

I have no delusion of grandeur. I initially said I don't want any part of this debate. >>16472733
I just had enough and I think people should come to terms with the facts, after all things are said and done, they are on an English site, on an English using board where people who do not know Japanese will come, despite their elitist wishes.

If people are trying to push more people to learn Japanese then it is a noble cause and I applaud it. Even though it's not right to push your vision of what a fan should be, if someone wants to make sure others are molded into people who can properly engage with the subject matter then that's not that bad even if naive. But I am sure something more sinister is at play.

>KAITO Russian
You mean you like Kaito songs in Russian or? Care to share some, I am genuinely interested.

https://youtu.be/B3ibDggbrDM

I really like Meiko's Spanish myself and her English a bit.

>>16473660
I wish you didn't talk about learning Japanese as not a monumental feat seeing as you clearly haven't studied it. But how about this? It's a feat significantly harder than western languages and easier than chinese. Sure it's not rocket science, but no matter how linguistically inclined you are, you can't escape the time consuming memorization and drilling it entails. So please the 18+ thing and don't belittle others over something you don't know or care about.

>>16473844
The irony. Of course you want a part in this debate, you've done nothing but that since you started posting in this thread, along with putting words others haven't said in their mouths in order to push your silly narrative.

Let's stop now. Take the last word you desire so much if you want, but then just stop.

>>16462558
>Saying IA has the best voice when Yukari exists

>>16473474
In what way am I blowing things out of proportion? I didn't say the posters were egomaniacs or anything lol I was just explaining why the second guy's EOP crap is pointless and annoying, and with the first person I was genuinely having a peaceful conversation. I thought those posters were nice people too, that's why I responded to them. I'm sorry if my post sounded loud or something, I didn't actually mean it like that lol.

>>16474198
Mmm, spoken like a man of culture, but IA brings out the best of Yukari.

>>16472979
>>16473101
>>16473649
Thanks friends, I've got one of these back at home, too.

>>16473263
>tolerable at best
why lie? just because someone has different taste than you, doesn't mean that they are wrong.

>>16474441
Anyone getting or playing IA's game for her birthday? I was so close to getting it but things happened.

>>16474548
I already have it, I might make some webms when I get home tomorrow.

>>16474523
>dat Jumbo Miku
Damn, son.

>>16474651
Is this actually from the game? The animation looks pretty amateurish.

>>16474580
Is Shooting Star in the game?

>>16474658
> The animation looks pretty amateurish.
Dude you have no idea

>>16474902
I've seen how bad it can get in the first couple Project Diva games, but the model also looks pretty poor, like they got it off a free download site or a Left 4 Dead 2 mod or something.

>>16474986
The original PJD was good. It's the Arcade where they got all retarded.

Happy birth day, IA and ONE! I'm so glad that we can hear your beautiful voices!

So just getting into vocaloid, stumbled upon supercells first album, which im sure is considered entry level normie trash, but i am embarrassed to say i am really enjoying it. Got the essentials list from the sticky, but curious if anyone has any reccs based on the fact i am digging supercell. At work currently so i am unable to sample the albums. Found vocarock, might give that a try when i get home from work.

>>16475153
Vocaloid is 99% "entry level" and even today, Supercell is one of best albums because it was made by actual musicians and not bedroom producers.

>>16475153
If you are just now getting into it, then find some of those big Vocaloid compilation videos on youtube, then check out albums of songs you really like.

>>16474902
I love their smug faces.

>>16474986
Didn't they delay the game because they needed to work on models and other things more, and the original model was less refined? Or was that just some rumor I read on here?

>>16475153
>>16475162
Supercell are hacks who can't do anything other than generic Jpop trash.
Ryo wouldn't be shit of he didn't ride the Miku train early

>>16475217
I'm pretty sure even Ryo knows he wouldn't be shit without Miku.

>>16475217
Do you have to try to be this edgy or does it come naturally?
>>16475229
>wouldn't be shit without Miku
>is more successful with human vocalists than he was with vocaloid
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>16475153
> but i am embarrassed to say i am really enjoying it
Don't worry about it. People here might rant at you for liking Supercell now but everyone liked it back then too, people just got tired of it after a while.

If you just want to listen to some of the more popular stuff (great way to find what vocaloids/producers you like), you have some great options:

-Concerts. Look up the live concerts , the set lists are full of the more popular songs and you can easily find them on Youtube or whatever.

-Games. You don't even need to play the games, but you can find the games' soundtrack online which are also full of popular songs.

-Compilations. There are a ton of Exit Tunes compilation albums for popular songs in general (ex. http://vocadb.net/Al/2030)) and even for specifc vocaloids (ex. http://vocadb.net/Al/1261))

-Wikis (VocaDB) are a good way of discovering music as well. If you just go on VocaDB, search by songs (http://vocadb.net/Search?searchType=Song)), and sort them by rating, you can find a lot of good stuff. It works well as a starting point.

>>16474902
Isn't the animation in this song supposed to be stiff on purpose though? That's what I always thought at least, it fits with the "creepy" atmosphere.

>>16475255
Isn't odds and ends basically him saying he would still be an unknown schmuck on the internet if he didn't get viral with Migu?

Is Last Note. ok?

do items on suruga-ya fluctuate in price a lot for a real reason or am i just being messed with by slant-eyed jews?

>>16475331
Last Note. is more than ok. Might be generic J-Rock but it's top tier generic J-Rock with awesome tuning, what's not to like? Akatsuki Arrival, Deadline Circus, basically any of his Gumi songs, all great.

Bought a case of blind figurines today, ended up getting all 6 displayed on the packaging as well as a Sakura Miku.

Two Lukas in the case.

>>16475343
I really like Last Note. Basically all my favorite Gumi's songs, but I wasn't sure about the /jp/ opinion

>>16474902
Isn't this song from a PV edit contest; as in, it was made on one of the PSP games using the ingame editor?

>>16475363
Lucky. Got the last box in a package hoping for Len and got a Luka.

>>16475501
I think 2 luka per case is the norm.

>>16475519
I didn't even know the Sakura was in the box. Neat.

>>16474658
It is.
And yes, the 3DPVs leave some to be desired, but nice in their own way.

>>16474668
Unless it's DLC, it isn't.

>>16475179
Not him, but the game WAS delayed about a year, not sure what the reasoning was though.

Diva games are mocapped, I remember them showing the little girl doing one of the dances, and just by looking, I would say IA/VT animations are hand made.

>>16474580

Can you tell me from where or what song are the 'anime' parts of this video?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EN85vmMpO0

>>16474651

What's the song of that clip? I can tell the rest of them but not this one.

>>16475815
the "ayiyaiyai" song that transitions from "anime" to IA running is ITYNITED IDENTITY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPT-KNpMBAI.. Thats the only one I recognize instantly

>>16475819

Yea, the first one is Inner Arts, the second is Killer Smile, ITYNITED IDENTITY is next and the before the song I'm asking for is kyou ga ame no.

So the anime parts are only in the promo video and not part of the game itself?

>>16475815
hate to say this, but I don't recognize the anime parts.
there are maybe 2-3 songs I haven't played yet, but I doubt it's from those
so it's either DLC or just the trailer

>>16475836
the song with the darkness costume is "Itsuwari no ketsui"

>>16475836
I don't think there's anything of the ""anime"" type in IA/VT that you're looking for. The two types of visuals in IA/VT are the 2D PVs like Party Party which do not use the costumes you pick, and the ones that use the 3D model you see in the trailer. the 2D PVs are much more common than the 3D model songs.

>>16475843
>>just the trailer

This is probably it as this promo was well before the DLC got announced. Have you done Inner Arts yet? That's the only place I can think the anime parts might be 'hiding'.

>>16475843
>>Itsuwari no ketsui

Thanks.

>>16475886
I think Inner Arts uses the original PV it was uploaded with

>>16475873

What about [Love Sagittarius]? The model of that song looks a bit higher quality. Can you change costumes on that one?

>>16475909
no, while it's one of the better ones, that one is pre-rendered

>>16475918

No surprise there.

Happy Birthday IA!

Here, have a size upgrade.

>>16475944
Any official events for her?

>>16475953

Apparently This:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcm9sMfV4BM

The channel has more info on that.

Happy birthday!

So, What does the IA logo mean?

>>16476037
I don't think it has any deep meaning

>>16474580
>>That difficulty in -That- song.

Talk about contrast.

>>16475028

wait

Is ONE's birthday too?

the IA anniversary stream is soon....

>>16476519
too bad I can't watch
is it free though? might timeshift it if it's on Nico

>>16476587
it's free on everything, nico, fb and bilibili
yeah just timeshift it on nico

>>16476519
I hope there's something neat at the end

>>16476721
I'm for the new aspects so they gotta

It's here!

>>16476899
speak of the devil...nice...where did you order from, Amazon?

>>16476905
Yes. I've only ever really bought from third party sellers on amazon.co.jp, so I'm pretty surprised to see it arrive in such a short time, and on today of all days.

>>16476919
yay congrats!

>>16475967
I don't like the setlist. Too much Jin, and too many shit songs like We Gotta Run.

>>16476284
Yes, she was released the same day as IA.

>>16477135
> Too much Jin
the game shares this problem

I would have liked some Orangestar instead

>>16475967
I don't think the dancers were needed, they're a bit of a nuisance if I may say. I imagine most Vocaloid fans do not necessarily want to see it associated to 3dpd things, at least that's how I feel.
In the Chou Party concerts they had a few people coming in but it generally always was at the beginning of a concert, while I wasn't a fan of it, it didn't break the immersion. For that IA concert, they seem to be coming in rather randomly.

Also I agree the setlist doesn't seem to be the best. Is there even a band playing?

>Is there even a band playing?
Sorry I'm blind, there is. The songs just didn't sound very different from their original versions that's why I doubted.

Don't want to sound like a fag, but can I get a link to the stream?(was there any?)

>>16475886
The anime parts were only made for that trailer as far as I know.

>>16474668
Only as DLC.

>>16474902
This pv gets me every time because of how smug they are
Shame the song sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0RueuNbCMs

>>16477713
Nice.

Did anyone go to Magical Mirai last year? I bought a keychain online from it. What was it like?

Happy Birthday, IA!

>>16475365
Last Note is in a weird place for me. Really solid producer, but I feel like that he doesn't excel stylistically for me. For example, if I'm feeling some classic jrock I prefer buzzG. If I'm feeling hard rock, I would rather nanahoshi or devilishP. I could see him working for someone else, but it is a very saturated genre.

Well, happy birthday IA
and ONE I guess.

>>16478869
That's one pointy nose.

>>16477135
>>Yes, she was released the same day as IA.

Oh yeah. Forgot that for a second.

>>16475967
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkiy3qSj0no

It's odd to see IA talking 'normally' a la CeVIO. Is First Place holding back a voice set from us?

>>16480193
If you compare their talking to the way that Yukari or the dedicated speech synthesizer girls talk, it sounds fairly clipped. My guess is that they just used her regular voicebank for it.

>>16476519
>>16476721
>>16477418

S-Stream?

>>16480215

ONE is a CeVIO so it's normal for her to be like that. IA may sound a bit clipped but this is not the only time she has 'talked' before:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCIrkKPy6I

See around 14:45 as it looks like there are indeed plans to do a talking voice bank for IA at ONE point in the [Future]

>>16476037
>>16476096

Reminds me of the Destiny emblems and of The Traveler in particular.

>>16480219
Check 1st Place website/facebook/NND.
Or read the thread. >>16477713

>>16480260
http://1stplace.co.jp/works/specialized/iatalk/

I guess that settles that.

>>16480298
>>16480334

Just checking that right now.

>>16480428

>>16475363
I got extra Len. Fuck me.

>>16480433
It took me like for tries to figure out how to read this dated garbage

IA a shittu

>>16480445
>extra Len
Yes please

>>16480445
>not wanting extra Len

>>16480542
I would eat IA's shittu to prove me love, if you know what I mean.

>>16480542

Over the line.

Ah so it was ONE's birthday too, whoops. I had it noted for May 22th since...
>Releases: talking voicebank (2015.01.27) and singing (2015.5.22)
but I suppose it indeed makes more sense to put pick the earliest date (I hadn't noticed it matched IA's too).

Happy birthday ONE!

>>16481195

I like how both of them will be able to talk now.

>>16481198

IDK IA sounds too similar to ONE, they should have made her a voiceroid.

>>16481198
Are you referring to them making a IA Voiceroid? I'm not sure I get what you mean.

wait, that was IA's voice in the AR? not a placeholder?

Anything I should fix or anyone I should add?

>>16481244
>10/22
>Iroha
what

>>16481230
>>16481237

Supposedly there is going to be an IA CeVIO demo released tomorrow.

>>16481252
Oh, it's May 14 according to niconico. Thanks.

>>16480283

Here's for better reference.

>>16481339
For some reason I remember her release date being Dec 5th, but her unofficial or character birthday is in May.

>>16475363
I bought one and got Len.
When the salesmen saw my disappointment he told me I can just check their weight and the ones that weights the most are surely Miku. That's how I get this beauty.

>>16482217
>weight checking
SCUM

>>16482217
Miku confirmed for being fat.

>>16475363
>>16482217
How much do they cost?

>>16477922
Do you really think anyone from a thread full of EOP secondaries actually went to Magical Mirai?

>>16475363
Yeah, if you want the set or a specific girl, ya gotta go with the case. Opening those things is so much fun.

>Sakura Miku
That's a cute. Great for a chase figure. I bought a case of the original Vocaloid Nendoroid Petites and the chase was just a spazzed out Miku with a leek. She's articulated, though, so that's a plus.

>>16482217
Ha what a fattie

>>16482217
>dissapointed with Len
Hey, i'll take it off your hands.

>>16482217
U CALLIN MAI DAUGHTERU FAT?

>>16462558
I think it's VY1V4

>>16483545
ur daughteru is a pig!

>>16483611
Her voice is great. A shame no one uses her.

/a/ tried to tell me that the Olympics would kill anime, but now it sounds like there's a good chance Miku sings in the opening ceremony. And Goku is going to be there.
This is comfy.

I'm so close to perfecting Gothic and Loneliness. I can feel it. I've been practicing Gothic and Loneliness on extreme and I've got the 5-note strings down thanks to dual wielding, so all I need to do practice the string variants where it alternates between 2 buttons and the triple notes towards the end of the song.

>>16483786
source?

Boy did IA needed that Racer Queen update.

>>16476284

Now we need to see an official Racing Queen ONE

>>16478869
Pretty nice compilation. IA/VT's PVs could have been more elaborate but they still have some very nice looking scenes. I wish they had put as much work into animation as they did in creating interesting looking stages.

>>16485604
>>I wish they had put as much work into animation as they did in creating interesting looking stages.

Agreed, they clearly have good ideas (Ligth of Tomorrow, Love Sagittarius, etc. The presentation was nice too) but they needed to apply that into more songs yet I don't think they had the time on their side. More variety in talents would also had been nice.

>>16485604
>>16486328
In my opinion, they should have paid more attention to her expressions. I know she looks a little spaced out in her original illustration, but that shouldn't mean she should look like that all the time. As that webm (kind of) shows, she does look nice with some emotion/expression, but I saw too many places in the PVs where she looks almost blank.

And more lipsync. The last part in Love Sagittarius, parts of Overdrive looks good where there was "some" lipsync, but it felt like it was missing from a lot of places(not necessarily everywhere, but still).

The PVs work as "in-game background animation" but the problems become obvious when played back alone.

There is LITERALLY nothing wrong with Rin-chan Now.

>>16488466
It's kind of boring to play in Project Diva.

>>16488466
Why is there anything wrong with it in the first place?
>>16488525
I disagree. The amount of notes makes it fun.

>>16488538
It's nice that the inputs change, but the rhythms are just so repetitive it kind of ruins the fun for me.

>>16488559
I can understand that. Do you play on Hard or Extreme? It's a bitch to try and perfect it.

>>16488563
Extreme in F. Hard in Future Tone. The only parts I ever have trouble with are the notes with multiple inputs. I can't move my left hand fast enough.

>>16488572
Same with me. When double notes are in a sequence, but change, my entire rhythm gets thrown off.

>>16488466
One of the best PVs ever. Just don't play it with people around you. Too much annoying.

>>16489126
>playing project diva with people around you

>>16489130
>Not being proud of your love for Miku
But hey, you would be surprised. My sister got interested and didn't stop playing until she cleared Akatsuki Arrival.

>>16489200
I'm proud of my love for vocaloid, hence my figures and plushies. But, the ony people i've played around are my family and roommate.

>>16489126
It's a shame Future Rin doesn't have any swimsuit variants since she her body looks a bit more grown in addition to the hair. I have to select a normal Rin swimsuit module and add the Future Rin hair.

>>16489126
>Too much annoying.
It was my ring tone for almost all 2012.
How's that for annoying?

>>16489343

>>16489343
I'm surprised you didn't get murdered in the subway

>>16489376

Why aren't you celebrating Luka's birthday on twitter anon?

#巡音ルカ生誕祭2017

Happy birthday <33333

So is Crypton FINALLY going to do something with her or are they just going to ignore her for another year?

The Chinese leg was almost 2 months ago now. I guess Miku Expo 2016 just isn't getting a BD release. How disappointing.

>>16490014

Probably ignore her.

>>16490014
The only thing Crypton should do is take her out behind the shed with a shotgun.

>>16490040
>he doesn't recall every detail from memory
top pleb

>>16490110
Yeah except I didn't go to the shows in Japan, China, or Taiwan, and I wanted to see the exclusive sections too, you simultaneously mentally retarded and diseased faggot.

>>16490156
>he is so autistic he doesn't comprehend a joke
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>16490189
It's kinda hard to identify intentional idiocy when it's coming from someone who is usually genuinely idiotic.

>>16490233
It's really not when I make it as obvious as that. You're just a fucking autistic retard. Literally the image of /jp/.

What kind of tuna should I get my waifu for her birthday?

>>16490240
>I was merely pretending to be retarded!
Dang I sure got bamboozled. Does that mean he'll stop avatarfagging and pretending to be an EOP secondary too?

>>16490315
I see you haven't learned from the last time your posts get deleted. If you couldn't pick up the sarcasm from my post, you are way too far gone.

Get a room, guys.

>>16490367
Reply chains get deleted every time a meta discussion is started; it's not rare. You'd know that if you'd been on 4chan for longer than like 2 months.

>>16490552
And who causes them?

>>16490553
I've found posts are usually made by people.

>>16490561

on 4chan? unlikely

>>16490561
Can't recognize sarcasm, but can play dumb?

>>16482381
Mine were 10.99 each, so the case of Renewal was 88ish

>>16490278

Go for the Eyes.

>>16490928

That never fails.

>>16490928
>>16490931
what is this?

>>16490278
Someone's already on it it seems.
https://twitter.com/gasmask_mikuhai/status/825263513908056064

>>16491041

Unrelated madness.

guys, IA's talk voice sucks. it sounds nothing like her, and just like ONE. it doesn't even sound like Lia.

IA deserves better than this.

>>16491375
welp, that's what I thought too.

>>16491394

worst part is they said they are working on IA english too and it's probably going to be just as bad.

>>16491375
>>16491394
Could I have a link, please?

>>16491375
>>16491394
>>16491421

Is not that bad.

>>16491476

Here's a quick link:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBFHq_XkQ5M

>>16486693

I think that they really, really want to keep the impression of IA begin the ethereal beauty with little expression so no surprise there. What they should have done is to, at the very least have better PV quality both in animations or/and polygon count. Either of those could have gone a long way in improving the overall experience.

>>16491496
I don't think poly count was a problem. Sure, it could always help, but you can make very decent things even with less polys.

Even if they did think that way, they still should have paid attention to not make her look like she has downs in certain places.

>>16491482
Terrible.
Sounds like pitchbent ONE
Talkloids(speech with vocaloid) sound better.

what a blunder if they don't fix this.

>>16491482
Thanks. Starts at around 2:20 for anyone wondering.

I don't like her talking voice either, it doesn't sound like IA and I doubt it can be used much in songs that way, but I'm no prophet so we'll see.
For now I think ONE's is much better :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2s4HPrmdIM

So guys how would you rate the year for Luka?

Happy birthday, Luka-chan! I'm sure things will get better for you!

>>16491743
I wouldn't even rate it at all I think. To give a Vocaloid's year a rating you'd need that Vocaloid to be "in the competition" and to me Luka hasn't been in it since they released her V4.

Eventually V5 will come, so we just need to be patient, there's still hope ahead.
What I wonder is if Japanese people are vocal about her V4 or not. While I often read non-Japanese comments about how her V4 is wonky I never read anything resembling this on the Japanese side of the internet. I wonder if Crypton is aware they messed up or if they simply blame this on the passing of time, "well we did our best but it looks like Luka's not popular anymore, しかたない right!".

>>16492050
I would also like to know what they think in Japan.

To me, it seems like a lost cause.
I didn't like the direction they took with her V4 voice, and I can't see them going back on this. So even if they fix the bugs, she won't be who she used to be with V2.
RIP

Today we can all have Luka night fever.

>>16492258
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScSW9C3DF18

I haven't see any promient Luka producer using her V4. Maybe she isn't so bad, it's just that no one cares about Luka anymore?

>>16492258
I'll play it in her memory.

My treat for Luka's birthday.

>>16492606
I only know of Dixie Flatline's Sugarvine.
I heard that Luka V4 is rather hard to use with a poor quality voice bank, which is why it's not so popular for producers.

Happy Birthday, Luka! Don't listen to them I like this song.

https://youtu.be/mNOtFqHq3Pw

>>16484903

I don't have anything against the See The Lights outfit but it's good to see that IA has a better racing queen suit now.

>>16493002
I don't, sorry. Having these sorts of alien, buggy, underwater-y noises for a V4 is inadmissible. The pic you posted is great on the other hand.

オカメP is the only one so far I think who's made V4 songs I like :
https://www.youtube.com/user/calvitaro/videos
http://il-cremonese.net/4th-lp.htm

>>16493086
I heard a few of their songs and they didn't click with me. Their Miku songs are still great, but the Luka ones are just... no.

>>16493127
It's often monotonous to be fair it's true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23XqYwdotqQ that one is pretty good though.

Albums-wise, I don't remember anything about the one I linked, but I do remember the first two albums and listen to them occasionally still. Like you said his Miku songs were pretty great.

Happy Birthday Luka!

>>16492606
I like CircusP Luka songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Skij_GE9n4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfEL0RJ4jOQ

>>16492818
Sugarvine is great. Besides that though, this is probably the only other time I've seen Luka V4 sound good (it probably required a shitload of tuning too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRv1JKpvXms

>>16478869

More IA/VT webms please.

>>16491529

Re-watching some of the videos and PVs, yeah, animations -and- expressions could have gone a long way.

This one isn't so bad
https://youtu.be/WzFSgZzR4vs

Not bad Aquamarine.