/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>16439470
why even bother making the threads here when it is clearly dead as all fuck?

>>16439552
Threads always die out when they're on auto-sage and get to about page 8. No one wants their super important comments to be lost to the archive.
Due to the speed of the board that means they're dead for a while.

JLPT results come out in less than 4 days. Are you nervous? Why/why not?

>>16439593
Good. Fuck off.

>>16439504
Found this in a C91 doujinshi the other day. New Game may be half-forgotten, but ぞい lives on!

Konbanwa minna

ぞい？

いいえ、ぞわない

>>16439663
ぞわないとぞろすわよ

>>16439470
I have some manga that I would like to add to the CoR, but is it okay to use filehosters other than mega?

>>16439671
Probably yes but someone will probably mirror it on mega anyway.

I want to have to go to 日本 and have セックス with a 可愛い少女. What's the best 勉強方法 for that?

Have any of you came across a good book for learning Kanji?

I need one that offers a section on radicals.

>>16439695
>I need one that offers a section on radicals.
Why?

>>16439695
All the commonly recommended kanji resources teach radicals, but they don't cover the entire Kangxi radicals list. There are Anki radical decks, but I haven't used them myself so I can't opine.

Must I continue using Firefox solely for Rikaisama? How has this addon not been ported to other browsers yet?

>>16439710
There are inferior ports on other browsers. As for why, it's because firefox extensions have more power with less work than chromium ones (which is why mozilla is so edgy about the signed addons deal: they have so much power they can be very malicious).

>>16439710
>>16439713
I'm using Rikai-kun with chrome and I haven't had any problems

>>16439713
Rikaikun's development is dead and it's incredibly bare in terms of features compared to even Rikaichan.

It's just strange to me that no one has decided to pick up the slack and continue its development.

>>16439703
>Not learning kanji by radicals.

Radicals are how you professionally learn the kanji.

What's easier, learning 214 radicals that make up over 2,000 kanji, or learning the kanji straight up?

>>16439720
I said inferior, not problematic.
>>16439721
Reason given.

>>16439722
>Radicals are how you professionally learn the kanji.

>>16439722
Also, read the introductions to Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course. It addresses that concern.

>>16439725
Learning by grade is inferior, m8.

You can apply the radicals to Chinese as well.

>>16439734
>Learning by grade is inferior
False dichotomy.

>>16439723
>Reason given.

Still, if you look at the extensive work many of the members over at the koohii forums have done it's just strange that no one has decided to develop a better Chrome addon.

>>16439738
You're not wrong, it's just harder to do it for chrome than firefox is why they haven't yet/already.

>>16439722
>professionally learn the kanji
What is this even supposed to mean?
>What's easier, learning 214 radicals that make up over 2,000 kanji, or learning the kanji straight up?
Learning the kanji from a logically structured course that introduces radicals as they show up and doesn't waste your time with things like 龠 or 黍.

>>16439740
Sorry, I'm just bitching. I've been waiting for it be ported for at least a few years.

I actually haven't tried Rikaikun in a few years. Last I checked it had very basic Rikaichan functionality. I couldn't even change the colors then. Has it improved?

>>16439670
むりぞいはしない

じがいするならばいまぞい

>>16439745
I can't do it that way. It's like trying to learn linear equations without knowing how to multiply.

>>16439761
You'll realize later how wrong you are. Have fun, though!

>>16439761
Not even remotely close. Look, are you here to get help or are you here to insist that what you heard somewhere is right?

>>16439761
If you're so stubborn about it, just use this deck: https://mega.nz/#!uJsA1QwR!2z65jNf9lagIjvESUHHE-mMT3EXjfbRiBo91F9RpQwU

Reminder to auto sage these threads so they aren't bumped every other minute

>>16439767
I'm just saying I need a solid base to build on, that's how I have to learn things like that.

Normally, I learn by literal experiences. Like in a classroom setting or a conversation with a friend. But I'm trying to get a head-start before I take the college course.

>>16439829
Okay, well, basically, if you use any kanji book, it will not have a dedicated section to radicals, period. If you insist on learning radicals and then kanji, you can do the kangxi radicals deck, but you know, normally people do radical study in lieu of studying kanji in isolation, not before it.

>>16439829
花 (flower) has the radicals grass, person, and spoon. A man plants the flower among the grass with his trowel.

By memorizing it this way, it's a permanently stuck.

>>16439854
semantic 艹 + phonetic 化
where 化 is an ideogrammatic compound of two men back to back in 96 position

>>16439866
also you can interpret 化 as a semantic component as well if you take it to mean "grass that changes".

>he learns kanji via radicals

ぴくさーのアニメみようとおもうんだけど

なにがいいかな？

>>16439950
日本以外のアニメは全部クソだ
見ないほうがいい

>>16439950
スミス健一。。ですよね？
久しぶり

>when you applied for 82 different jobs but they all want you to have a fucking bachelor in ANYTHING to teach children
>having expierence in tutoring children is unimportant

How do I say "Fuck you, you slit eyed fucks go shove your university degree in your ass" on japanese?

>>16440001
Go to community college. Easy.

>>16440001
Come to China if you want to teach without a degree. Japan and Korea are very strict about needing a bachelor degree.

>>16439607
Nah, cause I already passed N1 in summer. What about you?

>>16440214
党に入党してなかったら

なにもできないじゃない

大陸って

>>16440220
What?

おはようおにいちゃん

きょうもさむかったけど

あふろはいったらなおるよ

>>16439950
ふろーずん

Is there any difference in meaning or use between 手に入る(てにはいる)and 手に入れる(てにいれる)?

>内側
No matter how many times I see this card I read it as ないがわ instead of うちがわ every single day. Please help.

>>16440811
Keep practicing!

What's this shirt say? 人生一度さり?

>>16440811
Spend some time focusing on it. Drop it from your deck for a while. Your problem is you've fallen in to the habit of recalling it wrong and now when you see it you know you will recall it wrong. You have to break that.

>>16440805
Interested myself because I don't hear the latter; although dictionaries seem to give similar definitions, looking at various examples of use cases, it's an issue of transitivity as the verbs suggest. 手に入れる is the actual transitive "to actively obtain/acquire" meaning you're probably already thinking about, while 手に入る is intransitive and more about something (perhaps unintentionally) coming into your possession. It also seems to be used for something becoming "available" or "obtainable".

>>16441156
I think I've got it.
Thanks!

>>16441126
人生一度きり

>>16441249
Oh, derp. Thanks.
The second line of き was totally hidden behind the box. I should have figured it out anyway, though, from the rest.

Is learning the Kanji Radicals useful?

Are they complete?

>>16441426
Yes, it helps you break down the image of the kanji to make it easier to remember.

But I think a lot of them don't have any particular meaning, which is why they're often given mnemonic names

Need some help. I'd like to say "Only include after 3", i.e. :
[1 2 3] don't count, but if 4 appears then it's included
in Japanese.

At first I was thinking of using 以降 to express this, but after some pondering and googling I realized that saying ３以降 includes 3 itself as well. I guess a good example to sum it up would be :
３月以降は、禁止されます。
Whatever is prohibited would start being so in March and not from April.

So should I simply use 後？

>>16441816
４月から
?

>>16441821
I don't mean to express from x month here, just a standard value (after 3, so from 4).

I suppose 四つ目から would work...

... but now I'm wondering, does 四つ目から include 4 or not?

What has been /jp/'s experience with penpal sites? Are the nips on there mostly westaboos?

>>16441882
>penpal sites

lol is this 2001?

>>16441882
Haven't used any yet, but apparently yes.

>のはいかがなものかと存じます

What does the "いかがなものかと" phrase mean?

>>16442152
どのようなものかと

Guys be happy.

You're all completely fine and can live no problem in Japan.

私は日本語をちょっと勉強した。だが、外な言語をかまわない。日本人とか中国人とか韓国人妻がほしいだけです。まー日本で決して住んでいないことがなんでもない。私は絵描くとオタクの文化が好きで、可愛い少女結婚することのほうがほしいです。けど、少女はオタクで照れ屋で日本語を知っている外人男の人が気持ち悪だと思う。どうしおう？

>自殺しったらいい前にポストした

>>16442262
>ちょっと勉強した
ってことはもう勉強してはいない？そこが問題なんじゃなかい。

今も勉強していればこんなわけ分かんないことを書かなかっただろうに。
>だが、外な言語をかまわない。

>>16442262
>ちょっと勉強した
ってことはもう勉強してはいない？そこが問題なんじゃないか。

今も勉強していればこんなわけ分かんないことを書かなかっただろうに。
>だが、外な言語をかまわない。

>>16440219
No because I took N3.

>>16442313
You could take N3 and still be nervous about it.

>>16439607
I took the N3 and knew i was gonna fail. I drew anime girls all over my testbooklet and on the final page i drew someone hanging himself. Not the best idea....

Im not studying for the n3 anymore though. Just gonna focus on reading as much japanese as possible everyday. Then a year from now, im just going to study the specific grammar terms for the n1, and waste the next 5 years and 50 bucks trying to pass the n1.

>>16442348
S'up Komeiji.

>>16442311
私の文法が下手です。日本人の友達は私がよく分からない。特に長いな文章。

>>16439607
>JLPT results come out in less than 4 days. Are you nervous?
Yes, and excited. (JLPT N1)
I wanted to take a Japanese language major in university but could not because I was too poor. That would be a sweet, sweet revenge.

>>16442399
Just note that scores under 160 are pretty embarassing.

>>16442330
Not really, N3 is easy and irrelevant.

>>16442399
復讐がまだ終わらない。あなたはあのお金共に、オタクの産品を買ければいい。

>>16442425
>お金共に
>買ければ

？

>>16442439
im trying to say you should buy anime merch with the money.　私に教えてお願い、n1先輩・

>>16442424
What is relevant?

>>16442444
お金で
買えば

I think I may be legally retarded. No matter how much I re-read my genki introduction or that wiki article, I can't fucking understand the point behind on'yomi.

Could anyone please explain to me (in the retard babby language preferably) what the fuck is it and why should anyone bother with that? Is it like some sort of ancient "name" for some of the Kanji that is completely disconnected from it's actually reading/meaning?

>>16442444
You most definetly don't need N1 to know the second most basic usage of the particle で, which is to mark the means by which something is done.

Nor you need N1 to know the proper 已然形 of 買う to stick ば to.

>>16442417
>scores under 160 are pretty embarassing.
I thought it was scores under 179.
Got 130 on the N2, doubt I will get more than that on the N1.
>>16442425
I am going to Japan in March, spending this much money before was inconceivable for me

>>16442467
>I thought it was scores under 179.
Fuck, I'm one short then.

Percentile is what matters, not the raw score. Anything below 5th percentile is 自害したほうが良い tier.

>>16442460
When a word has okurigana at the end it uses the kun reading. For 笑:
笑う (>わら<う)
When a kanji is coupled with other kanji and with no okurigana at the end it uses the on reading:
嘲笑 (ちょう>しょう<)

Is the usual rule to go by. There's lots of exceptions to this however, so only use it as a loose guide.

>>16442460
Very basic summary. Kanji have on'yomi and kun'yomi. In words of Japanese origin, kun'yomi is used. In words of Chinese origin, on'yomi is used. Japanese language has both words of Japanese origin and of Chinese origin (also two more types on top of that).

>Is it like some sort of ancient "name" for some of the Kanji that is completely disconnected from it's actually reading/meaning?
Where did you get this idea?

>>16442486
>When a word has okurigana at the end it uses the kun reading.
帰する
度する
信じる
...

>>16442460
>why should anyone bother with that?
You shouldn't, you learn readings from words.

>>16442492
すごい読書お兄ちゃん

>>16442492
>帰する
>度する
>信じる
Those are する verbs.

>>16442480
Pretty lenient.

>>16442492
>>16442486
>Where did you get this idea?
I got confused after downloading KanjiDamage deck. I've grinded the 2k6k and the radical one for a couple of weeks beforehand and virtually none of on'yomis for the kanji I already knew were similar to the readings provided by vocabulary deck. Or at least I could not recall any that were.

>>16442505
Yeah, I'll be honest, I didn't read your post fully.

How many do you know?

What's the most common reading for 飛沫 out of the two?

>>16442553
しぶき I saw more often in VNs.

Similarly 泡沫 as うたかた, not ほうまつ.

>>16442553
さくしゃがなんてルビふってるかで

どうよむかがきまるんだから

あまりきにしないでね

おなかすいた

>>16441868
No.

スイセンがかおるよ

かびんだして

いけるから

>>16442782
So when you say 今日から, it actually means "starting from tomorrow"?

Is Rosetta stone good for listening comprehension? An old guide I'm using says it is.

Full sentence: タカニにはお医者どころかお屋敷のベッドまで借りちまって何とお礼
What mean these part "借りちまって何とお礼"?

>>16442889
つづきがあるはずだよ

>なんとお礼をもうしあげてよいものか
>なんとお礼をいっていいのか

とかそういうかんじの

>>16442851
Yes.

I'm seriously considering dropping 6k and going straight to a Yotsuba deck so I can start reading. I'm only 800 cards in but every fluent westerner tells me that a personalized Anki deck is the way to go. So, I figured a yotsuba deck would be much more suitable than the current 6k.

Good idea/bad idea? General thoughts?

>>16442886
Watch anime and listen to jp music instead.

>>16442889
Need more context.

>>16442932
Yes read and start mining. Continue doing core by press good or easy for everything just for exposure.

Until 2k at least that is. Or just drop it.

>>16442944
So this is good?

1.)Stop adding new cards to core6k (but keep reviewing)
2.) Start 20 cards a day on http://livingjapanese.com/pages/reading_packs.html
3.) Start reading asap?

>>16442932
Don't use a "Yotsuba" deck. Just fucking mine and read anything you want. Do not read meme recs that you have no interest in and aren't excited about just because someone told you.

>>16442959
I'm interested in reading anything at my level. Yotsuba is very manageable for beginners and is apparently pretty good. Plus I don't really have any other sources on my mind.

>>16442919
Joke reply?

>>16442417

http://www.jlpt.jp/statistics/pdf/2015_2_6.pdf

due to how the scaled scores work, everything > 130 is in the top 10%

I wouldn't call that embarrassing, really

>>16442932
Are you going to keep doing the Yotsuba deck forever? 1200 cards just to have an easy time reading one volume of manga is a high cost, and the cards are low-quality/overspecific in comparison to both Core or a mining deck so I don't think it's a good choice in the long run. The word list without Anki is enough to make reading Yotsuba tolerably easy.

>>16443000
>Are you going to keep doing the Yotsuba deck forever?
Just until I move on to the next reading task. I'll probably have to start my own deck then though.
Also, I don't think the 1200 cards will be a waste at all.

Now that you mention it, I'm considering keeping 5-10 new cards a day with core and doing 20 cards with yotsuba until I pass the early stages.

>>16442956
>>16442974
I wouldn't recommend the pack for the exact same reasons anon told you.

http://pastebin.com/F5YuKbAt

You can continue adding cards to core and smash good or easy if you want, it would take what, a few minutes every day to do it? It's still exposure. I rarely see people recommending this but this is what I've done with premade decks in the past and I don't regret it. On the other hand you have to handle your mining deck seriously, that is pressing again whenever you're wrong.

>Plus I don't really have any other sources on my mind.
Most manga with furigana, especially ecchi ones, would be as easy as Yotsubato, all while most likely be more compelling. I mostly learned Japanese through manga and yet I've never read Yotsubato. Don't force yourself to read it because /a/ made a meme out of it.

Also make a different deck for what you're going to mine, that is a mining deck. Don't mine cards into core.

Is there a way to properly manages your mining deck on android?

>>16442974
Ignore the other guy, he fairly obviously just hates anything popular. Yotsuba is great and you'll almost definitely enjoy it immensely, I certainly did. The best idea is to just try it yourself, you can always drop it later.

>>16443244
>Yotsuba is great
lol

>>16443248
>lol
lol

What the best way to use Heisig's book? I just started the first book and I don't know if I am meant to write down each Kanji and the stroke order or if I am just supposed to look at each one just to get the "story into my head and leave stroke order for later?

>>16443265
Did you read the RTK entry on the Resources page?

Wait. Do I have to buy the this Yotsuba pack thing?

Can't seem to find any links in the guide.

congratulations on the presidency DJT

>>16443287
it's also free

>>16442985
That just shows others are bad.

How would I write
>tfw Kikuhime will never be my oyabin
in Japanese? The f in tfw is feel by the way, nor face.

>>16443290
But what about the second one?

>>16443304
They're both free. Read the page carefully.

>>16443295
Please fuck off

Looking to start reading with either 日常 or あずまんが大王。Too difficult?

>>16443421
迷わず読めよ。読めばわかるさ

>>16443461
I just don't want to spend a lot of money to import some books, only for them to be way above my level.

>>16443421
>日常
Pretty easy.
>あずまんが大王
Easy but no furigana, I'd suggest starting with something else.

>>16443488
ごめなさい

>>16443477
You could just download some raws and see if it's too hard for you

>>16443565
I don't like pirating ;_;

>>16443576
lol good one

>>16443477
>above my level
This is my favorite meme.

>>16443624
What?

>>16443244
This was an answer to "I don't really have anything else in mind", not a definitive answer on what anon should be reading. If he wants to read Yotsuba then he can go ahead and do it. Stop projecting you little shit, because as far as hating goes you seem to be quite concerned with hating people who dares saying things you disagree with.

>>16443631
People refusing to read things because they're 'above their level' is just a meme.

There's nothing you can't read with time, dictionary and a grammar book.

Why are you not reading/playing イブニクル right now?

>>16443708
Because I can't learn japanese.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12158268/r

久しぶり、ディ・ジェイ・ティ
How's /jp/ been treating you?

What's your favorite 2ch browser?

>>16443708
Because I've already played it. I still rate it the best game ever.

Is the media on the dojg deck worth having?

>>16443998
Yes, in fact it's useless without the images.

>>16443979
I guess I should ask whether or not Jane Style is still the best browser.

>>16443997
Did you 100% it?

>>16444016
No I didn't bother to go find all of the little easter eggs and catch all of the monsters and all that. Don't really see the need.

>>16444004
And the (media) download already includes them all, right? Or do I need the 7 zip shit on top of that?

難しすぎて読めない動物の名前ランキング:

https://ranking.goo.ne.jp/ranking/category/999/nhMmHOggHfeF/

>>16444023
the (media) version already includes it.

>>16444055
Coolio.

>>16444050
>鼬
イタチに見えなくもないね

>>16444050
Damn, I only knew 4 of these (including 蟻食, which I hadn't seen before but guessed from the kanji).

help me out /jp/

>>16444050
I only knew 蝙蝠 (thanks seeing the "turncoat" meaning used in fiction), 縞馬 and 山羊.

>>16444110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8F9xVRNHoU

Needs second opinion on this like:
オレらと仲の方が特別だよね

Is it "Then, It will be exclusive to those close to us like our friends, right?" or "our relationship is special, right?" ?

>>16444195
shouldnt it be 俺達の仲が特別のだ
?

lol

this shit doesn't even work

How do Japanese people read 2ch? Using the actual site is way too clunky.

>>16444241

>>16444195
What precedes it?

>>16444246
Being a Japanese on the internet is clunky.

>>16444299
こ...こんなお恥かしいの
...俊ちゃんにも見せたことをないんだからね?

T-This is so shameful...
You're not going to show this to Shun-Chan... Right?

>>16444246
>How do Japanese people read 2ch? Using the actual site is way too clunky.
It's no big deal to them. Japan is 10 years behind the rest of the world when it comes to computers.

>>16444313
Right, then it would be something like "Our relationship is much more special, isn't it?" (as compared to the relationship between 'you' and Shun.)

What's something easy that I should watch for listening practice, other than anime?

>>16444246
this isn't 2ch

>>16444323
Thanks.

「電波的な彼女」ていうラノベを読み終わった。日本語の練習を兼ねて感想をここに書き込みたい。

まぁ悪くなかったけど傑作でもない。あの主人公はあまり好きじゃなかった、彼は鈍感で愚かで役立たずな不能者だった。いなくてもストリーは進んだ気がする。そして何でこの可愛い女の子達が彼のような不良が好きのは理解不可能。

一番いいシーンは間違いなく２巻の終わりだった。あの悪役はただのメンヘラじゃなくて賢くて面白い人だった。あのオチは本当に衝撃的だったよね、そして可愛い桜ちゃんはすっっごく可哀想。抱きしめてあげたかったー。

でもオチは良くても他の部分はちょっとつまんないからオススメ出来ないよ。悪くなくても他にいっぱいの凄いラノベがあるからこれを読む必要なんてないと思う。

>>16444363
It's a third party 2ch browser. It's the closest thing to 4chan X.

VNs vs LNs for reading practice?

>>16444398
Why do people like it? It looks like shit

>>16444404
Again, it's all they really have so they've mostly gotten used to it. You can customize the interface a bit with custom skins.

>>16444403
LNs, because they don't have voice acting.

>>16444578
Voice acting and the visual cues make it much easier to follow VNs.
If you're a real autist you can mute the voices to get your pure reading experience.

嗚呼

>>16444787
Common

Can anyone help me remember the other part of Usotsuki?

I know it refers to a lying personality or a false self, but what's the opposite again? The true self?

おはようおにいちゃん

>>16444050
かんたんなのにかけない十二支のほうを

さきにAnkiしたほうがいいとおもうよ

ねーうしとうーたつみー

>>16442886
Waste of money and will kill your motivation.

>>16444928
>おはようおにいちゃん
早起きしすぎたんじゃないかな

>>16443708
Tried playing it like a year ago, then got bored during the sex scene with the white haired knight and never came back to it.

>>16444948
あたし天使

When would you use firstname-san versus lastname-chan/kun?

When did /dpt/ move from /a/ to /jp/?

>>16445196
First, you mean DJT, not /djt/, second, several /a/ generals got purged. DJT was sent to /pol/ but split because "/pol/".

>>16445182
From the start. You're a gaijin, so Japs will respect you more for being a stereotypical open westerner.

>>16445182
Use last name + san, unless you know it's appropriate to do otherwise. If a boss is talking to his subordinates (or a teacher to student) he might use last name + chan/kun. If you are talking to friends you might use first name (with chan/kun/san/nothing depending on your relationship). For someone you just met, the safest thing is to use last name + san. If they want you to call them something else, they might tell you so.

>>16439470
>been so long since reviewing that I have 500 of them stacked up with at least a 6 month gap
>feel bad about just abandoning all of the progress I made and decide to get back to it
>don't feel confident going with anything but again on basically anything
Man am I just going to have to restart completely? I mean I'd still know a lot of it but all of these lapses in memory are really painful.

Use family name + san, unless you know it's appropriate to do otherwise. If a boss is talking to his subordinates (or a teacher to student) he might use family name + chan/kun. If you are talking to friends you might use given name (with chan/kun/san/nothing depending on your relationship). For someone you just met, the safest thing is to use family name + san. If they want you to call them something else, they might tell you so.

I rewrote this post to be more clear. The terms first name and last name are confusing when referring to Japanese names.

>>16445274
>>been so long since reviewing that I have 500 of them stacked up with at least a 6 month gap
If they are just 500 cards then it sould be easy to catch up again.
But then if just 500 cards were accumulated for 6 months there was not a big progress anyway so you might as well start from scratch.

>>16445274
>>>been so long since reviewing that I have 500 of them stacked up
I do 500 reviews every day.

>>16445329
But your 500 wouldn't all be many months old. Half of them might as well be new cards at this point.

Question to those that are already capable of reading somewhat fluently.

At what point did you start to enjoy reading?
How long did it take you to become good enough that you barely had to look things up?

Because reading is like a chore for me, I'm only 1 year in though.

>>16445406
After I read for a few months.

>>16445406
Stop being a whiny DJT EOP.

>>16445406
>>At what point did you start to enjoy reading?
Towards the beginning
>How long did it take you to become good enough that you barely had to look things up?
Hasn't happened yet

>picked this up today

>>16445406
Read at a level where you don't have to look up every single word, yet the content is enjoyable enough to keep you coming back.

>>16439607
I'm probably going to fail because of listening tbqhwyf

writing writing writing writing writing writing writing writing writing writing writing writing writing

Anyone know where I can find a pdf version of Common Japanese Collocations? I don't mind paying, but I'd prefer a digital version and I'm curious to see what it's like before buying.

It's this https://www.amazon.com/Common-Japanese-Collocations-Learners-Frequent/dp/1568365578

>>16445488

>>16445469
How do you fail listening?

may is dead and I can't practice my reading now because I can't be arsed to read anything else

>>16445528
didnt study lol

>>16445502
せめて感じ使え、この野郎

>>16445578
>感じ
実に結構

Is the anki add-on browse and install feature down/dead currently? Throwing up some errors about server certificates, but not sure if that's because my anki version is rather old.

>>16445544
Why would you apply for JLPT, pay for it, but then wouldn't study? Was it like N4?

>>16445614
N1 nigguh

cos I didn't need to study? lol

>>16445624
Clearly you did, you fucking moron.

>>16439607
>Are you nervous?

No, but I'm upset that I need to pay for some stupid exam only held twice a year so that I can "prove" I know middle school level Japanese and for some reason this is required for most job applications instead of, you know, a resume written in Japanese or god forbid actually having a conversation with me.

>>16445638
>a resume written in Japanese or god forbid actually having a conversation with me

不可能だろう。お前には。

>>16445628
The fuck is wrong with you dude? Why are you taking it so personally? Are you jealous or something? What the fuck is your problem?

>>16445646
まあ、職歴がないので間違ってはいないのだけれどもさ

>>16445651
Your posts made you sound like an idiot, so I replied as if you were one.

>>16445658
You have mental issues. What the fuck is your problem man. Just because you're anonymous you think that you're obliged to be an asshole? Are you a teenager or do you just have the mind of one? Eat a dick, you little shit You'll never accomplish anything or make any friends with that disgusting arrogant attitude of yours. Hope you have a bad day.

>>16445657
学歴もありそうにないな。だったら何がある？プライドのみ？

>>16445662
Not him but I think you're the one with mental issues dude

>>16445666
Yeah, you can eat a dick too. I come in here to give advice to beginners and this is the shit I get. You can't learn Japanese.

>>16445662
Are you breaking down cause someone made it clear your attitude makes you look like an idiot? You're the one that paid for JLPT N1 test and is gonna fail it because of his idiocy.

>>16445663
お前のおふくろさんが残してくれたパンティーならあるよ、欲しければ送るってやるが輸送費はあんたが負担してくれ

>>16445669
I don't get why you have to act so hostile in the first place. What does it matter to you if I pass or fail? Or do you just have to act superior to put me down? I had circumstances that limited my studying time prior to the test, so I focussed on the written sections, if you were wondering.

Are you really so pathetic that you have to view everyone on the Internet antagonistically based on the tone of their posts? And then put them down to feed your disgusting ego?

When was the last time that you actually went out of your comfort zone?

>>16445678
ironic autismposting is still shitposting

>>16445678
You're so fucking week. You come it acting all cool about the stupid things you do and then get all pissy when someone tells you they're stupid.

And this, kids, is why you don't pointlessly blog about your progress in a place where nobody gives (or at least, nobody should give) a shit.

>>16445688
No, you're fucking weak. You go on 4chan to hunt down people because of their life decisions when you're too weak and cowardly to do something comparable on your own. Your Japanese isn't half as good as mine and you know it. You're pathetic. I'm not even going to reply to you anymore, it's obvious that you're some post-ironic teenager who thinks 'trolling' people is funny when in reality you're just an insecure maggot.

>>16445676
持ってけ

>>16445699
Wasn't blogging. You're insane, dude. How is anything I do in the wrong compared to someone being a pompous dick and who has probably never given advice? I've been giving advice in this general for almost two years now, what have you accomplished?

>>16445678
Dude, you sound like an absolute fucking retard.

If you needed to pass the N1 this year, you would have studied. Ergo, the N1 must be not at all time sensitive for you, you probably don't even have a reason to be taking it.

Which means you paid 50 bucks for a piece of paper you don't need, when you knew you weren't reasonably in a position to even obtain that piece of paper. If the N1 is just a dickwaving contest for you, why wouldn't you just wait a year until you're sure you'll pass it with a decent mark? If it's important, why the fuck didn't you study?

>>16445711
これは日本語勉強スレだから喧嘩するんだったらせめて日本語でやれ
いやむしろ頭を冷やして出直してこい

Report and ignore, this board actually has a mod

Ｈｅｙ　ｇｕｙｓ， ｓｔｏｐ．

>>16445711
>Wasn't blogging.
Yes, you were. Relating pointless information about your personal life that's not immediately relevant to some aspect of the Japanese language is blogging.

>and who has probably never given advice?
I occasionally give advice, but I don't particularly care about the integrity of a thread which for most of its life consists of being blogging, moaning, bitching, and asking retarded questions.

>>16445406
I'm already reading comfortably and a bit short of a year thanks to actual effort on my part and reading for at least 2 hours every single day, no exceptions. You probably spent that year very ineffectively, like wasting time on memes like Yotsuba and Flyable Heart, or even worse, watching manga.

>>16445678
>>16445700
Anon stop replying, these other faggots made it clear that they are stupid and not worth talking to.

>>16445729
Yeah, nobody could ever possibly be as smart as a blogshitter who expected the thread to suck his dick for being so smart he didn't need to study for N1 and acted aghast when he realized that people weren't awed by his decision to pointlessly waste money.

>>16445729
Yeah man, they were really getting on my nerves though. Doing a couple of pushups helped to clear my mind. These internet warriors aren't worth my time when they're not even addressing my posts. Good luck with your studies dude.

>投函する
Is there ever a reason to use this rather than 郵便に出す?

>>16445741
>Doing a couple of pushups helped to clear my mind.
Your denial that you are, in fact, a blogging attention whore who takes every possible opportunity to blog for the purposes of self-aggrandization grows ever more pathetic.

>>16445745
Well, the latter is incorrect Japanese for one

>>16445741
Show them all on Tuesday when the results come.

>>16445748
Then what did this guy mean by it?
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1192329041
>封筒を郵便に出す時、郵便物に住所さえ書いてあ

Or this one?
http://lineq.jp/q/50832100
>郵便に出す時、

Or this?
https://www.ttf.co.jp/yubin/yubin.html
>但し、当日のみ有効なので印刷日付まで郵便に出すことはできません。

>>16445442
Is that your mining deck?
If yes how many cards?

>>16445469
>Read at a level where you don't have to look up every single word, yet the content is enjoyable enough to keep you coming back.
I plan on doing that from now on, I had a hard time reading about anything before, but I think the grammar clicked with me now and I can give it another go.

>>16445728
Yes I think I really did waste a lot of time, I'll try to read everyday now.

>>16445752
Then you should have said 「ものを」 郵便に出す because that is when it would be synonymous with 投函する
Alternatively, you could have said 郵便を出す which is also synonymous with 投函する

>>16445755
This is the grid for all of my decks, which includes my mining deck too. Other decks are core10k (unfinished), N5 and N4 full vocab decks, kanji deck. Wasn't necessarily relevant, I just posted it without second thought.

Just so you know your reaction right now is typical, everyone went through this phase, just keep reading and it'll get better before you realize it. Do it every day at a consistent pace; I started with 1 chapter a day and before long I was able to read multiple volumes during the day.

Make a schedule and/or keep notes on how much you read every day, so then you can keep track on how you're doing and in the future notice your progress.

And my mining deck has 7300 cards.

>>16445763
If you'll be as stupid as this you'll never learn Japanese. It's a very contextual language.

>>16445778
I'm good thanks, you might want to consider learning English however

>>16445781
Nah, I'm fine.

>>16445728
>a bit short of a year
>watching manga
So this is the truth behind our DJT attention-seeking meme spouting anon? Not even one year of study and he thinks he can talk down an entire medium? 流石ね

>>16445763
出す is a 他動詞, thus 「ものを」 doesn't need to be said. That's just how you use 他動詞. But I know you were just trying to save face. It's okay, next time you'll surely do etter.

>>16445787
Sorry, was I supposed to paste the converted units? One year of novels equals about 23 years of manga watching. So I'm basically a native in your eyes.

>>16445488
>>16445502
So how do I learn to write neatly (and not fuck up)?

>>16444246
2chMate is the best 2ch browser.

>>16445849
>phone

nope

>>16445787
I thought it was obvious that the guy who insults Flyable Heart was a dumb troll who doesn't actually know any Japanese, anyone who can read it knows it's amazing.

>>16445856
Read more newbie.

Guys what's the point? This guy achieved more than you will ever do, but it changed nothing.

http://web.archive.org/web/20161226154853/https://funthingsarenotfun.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/bittersweet-tokyo/

>I say this, as Japanese people scarcely develop meaningful connections with others. They’re busy– always busy– without time to speak with others outside of highly organised and artificial drinking ‘parties’. The only time you can actually meet with someone here is if you happen to be a part of the same club, class or event. And even if you both happen to coincidentally be free one day for lunch, you will have to carefully schedule it days or even a week in advance. Nothing happens naturally, and nothing develops beyond this shallow game of pretend. Everyone is your acquaintance, and nobody is your friend.

>I try so much with the people here, desperate to make living on the other side of the planet even slightly less suffocating, that I have no time or energy to deal with my actual coursework. I just can’t give a damn. I’ve always learnt Japanese through reading books and speaking to Japanese people, and get little to nothing from classes (most of which is wasted by the loud American exchangers who incessantly yell and interrupt the teacher). And hence I’m failing, despite most of the lectures containing content I already learned months or years past. Heck, I don’t even know if these courses will count for credit in my home university to begin with.

>>16445875
/jp/ has the thread for learning Japanese for the purpose of media consumption, the thread for learning Japanese so you can go to Japan is in /int/.

>>16445880
Consumption won't save you either.

>I want to spend more time reading, playing games, watching anime and doing the things that made me happy. I want to, but every time I try the unbearable torrent of shittiness eventually hits me and I feel a need to go for a walk or message people or do something equally pointless and empty.

>>16445886
Just because you/him are mentally ill doesn't mean everyone else is anon. Now go back to your homeboard.

>>16445886
If you're the kind of person who gets so depressed that you lose interest in your hobbies, you've got problems in your life that have nothing to do with Japan.

>>16445889
Komeiji achieved more than you will ever do. You'd fare no better in Japan.

>>16445886
Consumption will save the world.

>>16445875
>We talked on Facebook every single day– long conversations, the friendliest girl I have ever spoken to. We hung out several times, including the long, long day in Asakusa, which was– without exaggeration– the happiest I have felt in years. She made me believe there was a real connection between the two of us. And then she suddenly started to distance herself from me, rejecting my invitations and gradually taking longer and longer to respond with each message, to the point where I now doubt there will ever be another.

That's what happens if you don't make a move... He's just an idiot.

>>16445893
>Komeiji achieved more than you will ever do.
I can read without relying on machine translation though.

>>16445905
>my invitations
>each message

Was he supposed to just pin her down on bed?

>>16445908
>>16445893
Why do you keep talking of yourself in third person?

>>16445875
>Guys what's the point?
Enjoying top class entertainment catering to my tastes.
>This guy achieved more than you will ever do
Going abroad as a student and failing is not a very high bar. Regardless of him being good at japanese or not.

>>16445908
>We hung out several times

It should have been once or twice before he brought her back to his place. If you meet several times and don't make it obvious that you're romantically interested in her she will assume you're not a man or gay and move on to another guy.

>Was he supposed to just pin her down on bed?

Yep. Women, especially Asian women, are just waiting for you to do whatever. If an Asian girl, ESPECIALLY Japanese, decides to hang out with you like that then she's definitely down to fuck. He was just too much of a pussy to make a move.

This dude claims to be at a native reading and listening level after 18 months, is this guy full of shit or is it actually possible? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2H63wUoVlU&t=1s

>>16445916
>Regardless of him being good at japanese or not.

You think he's good based on that screenshot?

>>16445921
I'm not watching a gay youtube video of a random idiot (and neither should you) but obviously you can't be at native level in that time. However you can archive N1 in less than 2 years. Many people think N1 is the last stop of Japanese or whatever, but in truth you're still extremely far away from natives.

>>16445832
Practice.
You can search for visually appealing handwriting styles online with 手書き, or for "beautiful" styles and tips with 美文字.

>>16445921
He's shilling a paid product - AJATT. What do you think?

>>16445934
he only recommends AJATT as a method, he never endorses the paid services on the site. he puts in some serious work, I think he could be for real, check dem reps

>>16445953
How is that serious effort? It's about 20-30 new cards a day. This is the average in djt.

>>16445967
I see, looks less impressive after doing the math. on his website he has more stats, this was just his sentence deck

>>16445953
Stop advertising your shitty vlog
I have nearly as many reviews in less than a year of study

>>16445921
>>16445996
Is Anki even relevant to fluency? Fluency is the ability to express yourself in writing and speech. Anki doesn't train that.

>>16446053
fluency is whatever someone who claims they are fluent want it to mean

>>16445967
Those numbers are artificially lowered due to the 5 or so months of nothing at the start.

It's probably more like 40 cards a day. Maybe 50 or so for 20,000+ month.

おはようおにいちゃん

>>16445929
ネイティブの手書きって

あのんに読めるの？

あたしには最後のろーまじのサインだけが

よめない

pippu?

>>16446224
>あたし

Does anyone else sometimes press hard or again on a card just to hear the audio clip again? When the voice says 愛情, I don't care if it's my imagination or not, I just love how embarrassed she sounds.

>>16446224
よめたけど、下のこれ
>（今日も　？　にわか雨がありました。）
ってなに？
あとpippuであってるとおもう

>>16446354
すごい、ネタはわかるの？

３・４・５行目のところね

>今日も少しにわか雨がありました

pippuでなにを連想しますか？

なんかちっちゃい鳥類っぽいかんじのひびき

>>16445875
>日本語難しいやで
こんな初歩的な文法もわからないんじゃ説得力ないんだけどな

>>16446374
>少し
ありがとう！
>３・４・５行目
虎舞竜のことかな？
ごめん、わからない
調べたらバンドらしい

>>16446374
pippuは確かに鳥っぽいよね
ぴっぴぴー

>>16445406
I tried to read a volume of Index back in like 2010 and struggled through like 40 pages hating most of it and being really confused. Was taking classes and such in Japan at the time. After a while I saw Haganai being advertised in a shop (this was a few months before it got animated) and picked that up, and I found it much easier to understand. Got through that while having a lot of fun.

It only got smoother from there, after a while you learn to basically pick up from clues and such. Occasionally there'll be some specific word I don't know, but after dozens of books and a bunch of video games it's often something the intended audience isn't really expected to know either, and will usually have a little explanation.

>>16446393
虎舞竜をとらぶりゅうと読めばトラブルに似てるってことか
ようやく気づいた

Are there any alternative j-e dictionaries for rikaisama? Anything has got to be better than EDICT

>>16446427
Just use J-J.

How do I use JJ with rikai? Sometimes I activate it by mistake but I can't find the shortcut even looking through the options right now.

>>16446411
で、その歌詞が、あとにつづく

イ短調で
>ソーソソﾌｧﾌｧソﾌｧレレﾌｧﾌｧ
>なんでもないようなことが

>ミミミミﾌｧーﾌｧミレレソ
>しあわせだったとおもう

だよ。にほんご発音そのままの音程なので

にほんじんににほんごにきこえるよ

>>16439607
Extremely. I took the N2 and have no idea if I failed or not.

>>16446427
>>16446432
Never mind my stupid question, I just found the kenkyuusha's EPWING in the CoR. I guess I'll try using sanseido definitions as well where possible, since I'm at the point now where I can actually read them sometimes.
It really should be standard advice to get rid of the shittiness that is EDICT as soon as possible, I can't believe I put up with that toilet paper of a dictionary for so long

>>16445849
Their IPs are publicly broadcast with the posts? Sounds fun.

>>16446477
You probably activated sanseido mode (o), which downloads definitions from sanseido's online dictionary. You can also download EDICT files from the CoR which will load instantly once installed, although they seem a bit harder to read than sanseido.

>>16446519
Yeah that was it. While I use google.jp for any question I have I don't think mining words with J-J definitions would be really efficient until you become very good at the language maybe, and at this point I'd just rather drop anki altogether.

>>16446496
>kenkyuusha
Sorry for the dumb question but how do I add it to rikaisama? I'd like to see what it's like for myself.

>>16446484
なるほどね、面白い
しゃべる時は発音の音程をもっと意識して話したいけど難しい

>>16446534
Extract the files anywhere on your PC then in rikaisama's settings>EPWING tab choose "add" and direct it to the CATALOGS file

>>16446298
press R

砕けた語がだいたい分かるのに、なぜ敬語が理解できないかな。。。

>>16446540
Thanks, but I just did that and it still doesn't work, when pressing P it says pic related.

Did I do something wrong?

>>16446638
Ah, you're not supposed to have any Japanese in the file path to the dictionary. I forgot to mention that.

>>16446539
声の調子を文の意味と一致させてしゃべるのは

にほんごの基本で、にほんごの奥義だよ

みみがいいおにいちゃんじゃないと

みにつかないりょういきだよ

>>16446668
No problem, works fine now, thanks.

>いいんだ落ちつくまで居るといい
It's mean "Relax, all be okay"?

>>16446715
no

>>16446715
Ｎｏ，　ｉｔ　ｍｅａｎs "Don't worry, you can stay here until you calm down."

どんな場合には「ある」という動詞の漢字（有る）を見る傾向が高い？

>>16446728
在るんじゃないの？

>>16446732
両者が使えるでしょう？

>>16446748
或るもある。
でな、その違いは？

>>16446762
誰か調べてくれ

>>16446765
調べなくても解るんだ、少なくとも俺は。お前のようなＤＪＴ劣等なら話が違うかも

ともかく在るは存在を表し、有るは所有を、或るは「或る日」のあるだ。

>>16446771
露骨に説明して下さてありがとうございます。

"I tried to love someone here. We talked on Facebook every single day– long conversations, the friendliest girl I have ever spoken to. We hung out several times, including the long, long day in Asakusa, which was– without exaggeration– the happiest I have felt in years. She made me believe there was a real connection between the two of us. And then she suddenly started to distance herself from me, rejecting my invitations and gradually taking longer and longer to respond with each message, to the point where I now doubt there will ever be another. It fucked me up in a big way. I missed entire weeks of classes, drunk myself silly on a few occasions (including getting myself lost in Bunkyo for an entire day), made a habit of going on long walks to nowhere, prayed at shrines to no avail, and wondered every single day what the hell it was that I did wrong."

Holy fuck.

>>16446833
随分ベータな男性だね。情けな過ぎる。

>>16445199

Why would a thread about Japanese learning go on /pol/? Do you mean /int/? /int/ and /jp/ are the only boards it would make sense on besides /a/.

>>16439470
>>黙っていた方が君の為めだ
Anon, what is いた方が?

>>16446906
It's a joke. /int/ is /pol/-lite.

>>16446916
方 - ほう

>>16446916
Read Tae Kim.

もう少し近づいて

もう少し付き合って

>>16445927
What about the Kanji Proficiency Test (Level 1)?

Is that closer?

>>16446950
漢検?
If you can pass 漢検１級 then yeah, you're beyond native level, but, you know. Not exactly an easy task.

>>16445875
Wasn't this a tripfag on /a/?

>>16446956
Ｙｅｓ，　Ｋｏｍｅｉｊｉ．　Ｌｏｕｄ　Ａｚｕｓａ　ｗａｉｆｕ．

>>16446954
Level-2 or Level-1 pre seem to be acceptable for "sort-of native"-Level it seems.

At least Level-2 for High School Level.

I completed N5 almost a month or two ago.
I've already completed the basic section of Tae Kim, so maybe I should review my N5-N4 words for a while? I sort of want to put off N3 until I'm able to further my grammatical skills. What do you guys recommend?

Do 斃す and 斃れる really mean different things? Asking because of the definitions in rikai

>>16446977
Read Yotsubato with the reading pack and keep reading Tae Kim.

>>16446959
What a cunt.

>>16446970
Really depends on who you talk to. Someone who reads a lot might be able to pass pre-level 1, but there are a lot of Japanese people who couldn't pass that, even in high school and beyond. 漢検 is something you really need to study specifically for, as a lot of what you see on there is about historical origin, old associations in meaning, etc.

Anyway the point is that 漢検 and JLPT are almost entirely incomparable. JLPT is intended for foreigners and is far, far easier than 漢検1, which has something like a 15% pass rate last I checked (despite being taken mostly by native japanese).

>>16446982
I'm not sure how familiar you are, but it's much more commonly written as 倒れる/倒す.

Anyway, read Tae Kim. http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/in-transitive

>>16447003
I was more thinking about the "High-School Level" mentioned.

>>16447029
Yeah, proper high school education if maintained would be about that level. I meant it more as a response to >>16446950, who didn't really get a clear answer in my opinion (which should be that they're not even on the same order of magnitude).

>売れに売れた
Does this mean (it) sold well?

>>16445442
I'm extremely jealous

>>16447041
It means more like "it sold and sold", but yes, that is the effective meaning.

>>16445875
>wanting to work in Japan
have fun with that faggot

>>16446982
Why are you reading Dies Irae if you don't even know the difference between 他動詞 and 自動詞?

>>16447041
https://www.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/bugai/kokugen/nichigen/issue/pdf/10/10-04.pdf

After some googling I found a japanese linguistics paper about this construction. I haven't read the whole thing, but the gist is that it shows the action was particularly powerful, lasted a long time, is something to be emphasized, etc.

>>16447040
>which should be that they're not even on the same order of magnitude
I thought that was obvious.

The jump seems to be:
High School Level -> Everything

(But is probably.)

High School Level -> "Basic" Japanese (to be able to read/write/think 99.999%) to -> (Have fun with supplementary vocabulary of your field).

Though I doubt (average) High Schoolers could pass pre-Level 1?

Applefags

What do you use to read raws?

>>16447073
>spells Dies irae wrong
>thinks it's the only work where fancy kanji appear
>all while displaying his superiority complex
embarrassing desu

>>16447084
>Though I doubt (average) High Schoolers could pass pre-Level 1?
I know this is hardly a fair sample, but if the college students I interacted with while on study abroad are any example, most of them would probably struggle with level 2 even. At least one couldn't read 讃える when we went to USJ (was printed on the brochure), and that even shows up in light novels and shit.

>>16447076
This is perfect thank you.
Might I ask what you actually googled? When I come across a construction I'm unsure about I never know what to even search for.

>>16447090
斃す/斃れる appears constantly in it, so I took a guess.

I'm sorry if my superiority complex damanged your ego. Now try learning about 他動詞 and 自動詞.

>>16447097
I had seen it before, but for the life of me I couldn't recall a proper name or easy way to describe it. Japanese grammar books often use "V" for verbs, just like english, so I googled VにVする　文法.

>>16447101
and in a million other things too

read more n3-kun

>>16447089
I use Simple Comic. Don't know if it's the best option or anything, but It Just Works™.

>>16447097
>>16447107
Since it's an usage of に, you can just look up usages of に.

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/166083/meaning/m0u/
>13 （動詞・形容詞を重ねて）強意を表す。「騒ぎに騒ぐ」

>>16447115
That works too, though it is nice to have a full grammatical explanation.

>>16447109
Wooow, do you have even N1?

>>16447114
I use the same thing!

>>16447089
I'm on Android and use OCR Reader. Any better alternatives?

>>16445929
>Practice.
>You can search for visually appealing handwriting styles online with 手書き (Tegaki, Handwriting as in Handschrift), or for "beautiful" styles and tips with 美文字 (Bi moji, Beautiful Letters?).

For starters:
Is there a good random Hiragana worksheet creator (with 4-quartered boxes)?

Hmmm.
https://hiraganamama.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/hiragana-practice-sheets/

This series seems to have pointers how the lines should look like.
e.g. the ending of あ should get finer, the vertical line is slightly bent leftwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJR3VGQtyA

あげ an inflection of あげる? And what mean さあもう?
>さあもう行っておあげ

>>16447178
さあ　come on
もう　already

>>16446715
>>16446916
>>16447178
Slav-kun please install rikaisama and check what you typed with it next time before pressing enter. Also read Tae Kim and watch a few anime episodes a day. Lastly we already told you hundreds of times to post context.

>>16447178
お + masu form can be used as a command (お行き for "go!", etc). It's from the honorific form お+v+なさい.

http://www.ysn21.jp/furusato/yomoyama/text31.html

Here's an explanation on yamaguchi-ben that talks about it in reference to standard japanese (first result I found and I don't feel like searching any further).

これに似た現象は標準語などにも見られ、それは上記の説の論拠でもあります。たとえば、「お行きなさい」の「なさい」が省略されて「お行き」、「行きなさい」の「さい」が省略されて「行きな」となり命令の意を表します。

I chose が, could someone explain to me what I did wrong? 部屋のそうじ doesn't make sense at all.

>>16447228
部屋が掃除をしました doesn't make sense. 部屋の掃除 means "the cleaning of the room" and it's something that the little brother is doing.

>>16447242
Why isn't it souji no heya?

>>16447248
That would be "the room of cleaning". That's nonsensical.

>>16447228
The room itself did the cleaning? Obviously not.

>>16447254
But の is usually used in that fashion. e.g. アスカの部屋

>>16447191
I have already installed rikaisama
>Also read Tae Kim and watch a few anime episodes a day
Check

>>16447257
Asuka is a person that can own a room. Is the act of cleaning a person too?

>>16447257
That's "the room of Asuka", or "Asuka's room". It's not the same.

The first argument of の is a descriptor for the second part. It's the room's cleaning (部屋の掃除), not the cleaning's room (掃除の部屋).

If you still don't get it, you really need to go brush up on how の works on Tae Kim or something.

>>16447257
日本語の勉強をする - Do the study of Japanese
日本語を勉強する - Study Japanese

>>16447265
>>16447270
So
部屋をそうじするをします and 部屋の掃除をします would mean roughly the same thing?

>>16447228
>部屋のそうじ doesn't make sense at all.
But it does, the same way 車の運転,　頭の整理, 心の準備 and hundreds of other examples I could list do. Read more.

>>16447294
>するをします
Take a minute to think about what you just wrote there.

>>16447294
The first isn't grammatical.

>>16447228
Oh I remember getting this question wrong too, IIRC I chose に

Is 「部屋に掃除をしました」 not also valid?

>>16447257
Asuka a shit

>>16447306
に = did some sort of cleaning in the room
の = cleaned the room

>>16447303
>>16447305
Yeah I saw that error after posting, just ignore the suru.

>>16447287
Alright, I understand now. Thanks.
But boy is that a weird way to word something. 日本語を勉強する makes way more sense.

>>16447317
No it doesn't, your brain is just retarded.

>>16447311
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/26120/jlpt-n5q5-%E5%BC%9F%E3%81%AF%E9%83%A8%E5%B1%8B%E6%8E%83%E9%99%A4%E3%82%92%E3%81%97%E3%81%BE%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F-%E3%81%AE-versus-%E3%81%AB-option

>>16447309
Asuka a best.

>>16447317
>just ignore the suru
So 部屋を掃除をします? That's not grammatical either.

>>16447306
に doesn't work like that.
You could make a case for using で, but that would come out as "I did cleaning in the room" instead of "I cleaned the room".

>>16447228
What site is this?

>>16447342
JLPT site, sample tests.

About to take http://ttbj.jp/ right now.

If others want to do it go ahead. I'll post results when I'm done. I scored 220/350 on the J-CAT.

>>16447332
how so? Please explain.
Nihongo wo benkyou suru is an example I've seen many a time in Tae Kim. The suru modifies the benkyou noun into a verb.

(Pick SPOT90 + Grammar90 + 漢字SPOT50) >>16447355