/jp/ - Otaku Culture

First for the fastest.

What's with dumb nips and their backwards writing? It just looks outdated and retarded t b h f a m

>>16391777
At the cost of being gimped.

>>16391777
What the fuck is wrong with her neck lol

>>16391783
Gimped is what everyone else will be when Tanaka starts going batshit crazy with speed routing.

>>16391789
I wouldn't be surprised if speed routing was important for one event. It's too big of a mess.

>>16391800
Speed routing is important for a long time now, with all the shit that is thrown at slow ships.

>>16391807
What good will this update bring when your ships can't even beat the enemy?

>>16391817
Suffering.

>>16391822
Really only looks good for transport desu.

Does anyone here genuinely like Shimakaze? I do.

So which reward am I suppose to get?

>>16391834
Me.

>>16391817
It's like you expect Tanaka to make this game FUN.

>>16391828
You can take Akitsu Maru! But only with one ortwo slots free for daihatsu or Reppuu - I'd rather take CAV with fighters.

>>16391834
She's nice, one of my higher level DDs (~#10?)

>>16391828
Could maybe work for yasen maps.

>>16391834
Ou!
I'm sexually attracted to her, not sure if that qualifies as "like".

>>16391834
I always liked her and her design. I am perverted and horny after all.

>>16391834
I do.

>>16391836
The one you have less of

>>16391834
I like most ships, especially DDs.

>>16391836
You can craft both so pick whatever you have less off, which is probably the turbine if you ever got some Amatsukazes.

What do?
How do I into turbine, I already scrapped all of them thinking +13 is enough

>>16391860
10/100/200/10

>>16391781
It is outdated and is not often done anymore for single horizontal lines of text, but Kantai Collection harkens back to WWII when that was the standard.

>>16391851
Are you a lolicon, mister?

Why don't the devs release more ways for people to get decent equipment outside of events?

>>16391843
How?

>>16391674

They should have done more with the certain ships can craft certain equipment mechanic, rather than leaving it only as Pasta Ships can craft the Pasta Seaplane.

>>16391866
I am.

>>16391866
Possibly, though I generally prefer the a bit more older looking ones.

>>16391817
well. I can actually train aux ships in 5-4 now, so it's not too bad.

>>16391900

You could in the past at the cost of a bit extra fuel if you used 3 radars

>>16391887
Well you're not gonna be having any space for yasen equipment but two guns and engines in the rest of the slots could work.
Seriously though I think the super speed will probably just let you take some short cuts in maps at the cost of stuffing engines everywhere, not be a requirement.

Secret level when.

>>16391913
I managed to find the secret level in 3-3 since I sortie there all the time but I can't be fucked searching other maps

Now Tanaka can make events where you either go all fast+ to reach the boss through a short route or take Hayasui to be able to make it through the normal 5+ nodes one. How much fun is that?

>>16391922
Unless he makes the enemies really weak I don't see how this is a good idea.

>>16391760
I'm quite excited for all the new ships coming

>>16391939
I'm excited for the Kai Ni!

>>16391934
No he doesn't. People keep bitching about events being too easy and here is the solution. You either sacrifice efficient equip setups to take a normal route or take Hayasui and go through shit routing with better ships/equips.

>>16391939

All 3 of them?

>>16391939
I'm very excited for two new second remodels we will get this year!

>>16391834
I like her, but she's got cursed HP. Nothing a ring can't fix though.

>>16391952
Sounds like p2win either way.

>>16391922
>>16391952
Truly the cancer killing kancolle, I even prefer the old compass sending you out randomly over this "you are forced to bring highly suboptimal fleet and/or equipment or you get sent out / reach boss with zero ammo and fuel always" shit.

>>16391952
I never complained. Shitty people like you did though.

>>16391987
This.

>>16391991
I am actually a Kusofag and would prefer kuso difficulty to be kuso easy, but all these new shitty gimmicks keep making the game harder and harder to the point that i will never qualify to go above medium, or stick to kuso forever.

What did the Shitia mean by this?

>>16392008
You don't know about second boss node of 2-4? Sounds like you won't be getting the turbine.

Now we need equipment that makes fast ships slow.

What's the point in making speed change with a sonar + depth charge combo mechanic if the fast ships have the advantage (again, especially the cranes) by needing only 1 slot + hole while slow ships have to dedicate half their slots just to be fast? Just cut out the middleman and add something like the duck gun with the built-in fire director or a foreign engine with much stronger propulsion. On top of that they still didn't make Shimakaze the fastest ship by default. Also, I really like how Kaga and Nagato can never ever gain speed, pretty brutal but historically accurate.

>>16392022
It's bullshit that Kaga who was faster than Yamato can't reach the same speed.

I hope we get videos of Nenohi and Hatsuharu soon. God they are so much cuter in the SEGA arcade version.

>>16392022
New boiler+turbine equipment coming soon la
Shimakaze Kai 2 coming soon la

>>16392032
>>16392022
Reminder that ship design matters just as much as installed power and machinery when it comes to ship speed.
Reminder that Nagato lost speed by WW2 probably due to being old as well as extra equipment added on to her.

>>16392032

Just wait for Kai Ni. Maybe she will remain slow but she will be the best Jet carrier.

>>16391834
Why not?
She's the reason i played this game

>>16392053
I doubt her firepower will ever be as high as the cranes. Even as a jet carrier she will continue to be an AA mule.
That said I doubt a potential Kaga K2 or Akagi K2 will use jets. Will they get Medium range? Maybe. But more than likely they will get their Midway outfitting like the Dragons.

I really don't like this pay to win model.

>>16391834
Don't really care for her default art, but I love this

>>16392071
Unless Tanaka starts handing out more expansion slots during events or makes a quest for them it's really looking that way.

>>16392071
I wish this game were more pay to win because I make a lot of money but hate grinding, hate the game, and hate myself.

>>16392082
If you have a lot of money, you already won.
Install hole on every ship and give them infinite megami.

>>16392082

>>16392082
Buy reinforcement slots then. And Fast suck barrels.

>>16392092
And screws

>>16392082

It is indeed pay to win from the start and now even more. You can just buy goddess and punch holes, event can never be easier than this.

>>16392053
>dies first in the most important battle
>old tactics carrier
>old in general
>old planes, so low stats
>only good for bombing chinks
She's shit anon, I don't even know where the "Kaga is Tanaka's waifu" even came from, it's obviously Zuikaku or Fubuki at this point.

>>16392092

Fast suck barrels are old and busted. Ultra fast routing is the new hotness.

>>16391834
Her only good things are her stats, which sadly have been superceded long ago due to power creep.

When I first came upon this franchise and saw her I thought of her as just being another girl of some generic franchise. Only later did I learn of Kantai Collection being a popular thing, so I thought, why not try the game.

During my repeated lottery failures I read the wikia and learned about the important mechanics and during that time I saw her good stats so I thought "she's one of those I want to keep multiples of". I still have my first two copies.

HAYAI

>>16392100

The K2 would be "what if" just like the cranes.

>>16392082
Time for you to play FGO.

>>16392104
I love Yuu!

>>16392124
And there was no what if until after Midway because that was her end.

>>16392101
Okay then. Screws.

>>16392147

Not like the cranes last long enough to get the catapult in the history anyway.

>>16392147
>>16392124
How about Midway planes combined with the fact she has medium range referencing the plans for the catapult? No jets though.

>>16392150
I've bought so many screws my main problem is running out of devmats.

My life is in ruins.

>>16392100
>dies first in the most important battle
Because of fuck up of other people and awful luck. Even Enterprise would sink there if she was in Kaga's situation.

>>16392155
Oh yeah.

>>16392152
You're forgetting the plans for them were considered, not at all for Akagi or Kaga, hence the what if remodel.

>>16392164
There no plans for them having armored decks though. What if remodel can be anything.

>>16392152
>>16392164
If Japan had any use for carriers in the late period of the war there might actually have been a focus on upgrading them, but by then they were out of aviators, out of planes, and out of fuel.

I mean the war was already completely done by that point, but all the work that went into building Taihou, Shinano, and all the other late-period carriers honestly should have just gone into building hundreds of Type 5 AA guns instead.

>>16391834
Definitely, Shimakaze and Wo-class is the reason i got hooked up in Kancolle.

What's the prerequisites for the new BB quest?
I don't seem to have it.

>>16392167
>What if remodel can be anything
Yeah, that's why the ones that existed before so far are remodels that were within the realm of possibility had they survived long enough and not crazy jumps in power just because muh irrelevant waifu.

From all these "what ifs" discussion, I am curious about the new naval warfare will be like. Imagine WW3 broke up tomorrow, what strategy is more important? I keep hearing that CV is the most important part of a navy because of AS and BBs are obsolete since WW2. Is there any chance for large ships to make a come back?

>>16391834
Sure, she's pretty cute.

>>16392230
Modern naval warfare mostly plans for engagements that occur beyond the horizon. The only thing that is likely to make any sort of difference is the possibility of railguns that work, but that won't bring back huge ships.

This is a huge and complex subject so you're honestly probably better off asking /k/ about it.

>>16392100
Pretty shit crew as well to be honest.

Fuck I missed that final new year's quest.

Was the new furniture worth it?

>>16392273
Not really, its just boring white scroll with some puke green on the sides.

>>16391834
I like you!

>>16392273
>not having the yamakaze scroll
You are making Yamakaze sad

>>16392313
Who gives a shit.

Will extreme speed faggotry finally kill the game? The event is small scale but this makes me worried.

>>16392315
I do, so stop being rude..

>>16392326
Did she love you back, anon?

>>16392313
Who?

High Speed Transport Operations. You need six light ships of at least ultra fast speed. No weapons allowed unless you added slots to each girl.

>>16392326

A new type of abyssal that uses ramming attacks will be introduced. Fast+ ships can avoid getting rammed.

>>16392346
Abyssal kaiten when?

>>16392346
Or a new type of abyssal that sucks out your fuel and ammo unless you have Haiyasui with at least one barrel.

>>16392358

Mega Maelstrom?

>>16392346
The time has come and so have I.

>>16392313
She has OK calligraphy, for a shit girl.

I guess with the turbine and boiler update, we can finally temporarily fix Saratoga's evasion until her evasion gets buffed on her K2.

>>16392365
Maelstrom Hime would be an interesting enemy, like a manifestation of ship and equipment wreck that was swept by underwater streams and currents, similar to Jellyfish Hivemind Saratoga.

>>16392180
Shinano was a waste. I understand Taihou she was laid down before the war began but Shinano they decided to complete when waters were crawling with enemy submarines, and of course both the Philippine Sea and Leyte had already happened.
I understand they wanted a ship similiar to Hms Unicorn after Midway that also could serve as a distraction but by the time she was ready there was no point to her. Unless they were planning on using her as a mobile Kamikaze base.

>>16392155
Buy devmats then.

>>16392372
You could already do that before the update. The only difference is she can go at high speed plus now.

>>16392372
I don't know, doesn't seem worth it for her or for the likes of Taihou to give up a plane slot unless the map is piss easy and or you have more than 2 CVs maybe.

>>16392393
>>16392394

I mean, we can temporarily fix Saratoga's evasion by putting the turbine or boiler on her expansion slot without sacrificing her plane slots.

What if the next event shipgirl is an African-Amercian, who will be the artist?

>>16392407
I suppose.
Very cute Sara.

>>16392407
Pretty sure you can only put the turbine in the expansion slot.

>>16392443
(You).

>>16392443
Yoshinori.

>>16392443

What if the next event shipgirl is an Aussie?

>>16392471
What if the next event shipgirl is a Slav?

>>16392480
Please be Polish or Dutch.

>>16392480
>>16392484
I don't remember any slav ships fighting with japs in ww2. So no slav ships for you.

>>16392489

Because Teste fought japs?

>>16392489
More like Slav ships barely fought period.
I don't think you need to fight the Japanese to be in KanColle.

>used to look forward to new remodels
>then they slowly came
>now they are very rare despite having +100 girls in stock and very active artists
>event in 4 weeks
>STILL no remodel in sight
Anyone losing interest? Looking forward to a new remodel gave me a reason to level them or even play, but seasonal art is not the same. Only artists end up having fun.

>>16392498
The French did fight the Japanese. Saratoga for example met Richelieu when showing the British how to do operations in the Pacific.

>>16392504
I want to see who is going to make it in for the British, American and French Fleets first. Then I will stop playing, maybe.

>>16392509
That means you don't have to worry. It'll take at least a year or more to get one or two more ships from any of those navys.

>>16392504
With the long as fuck event maps, continuous adding of new gimmicks and lack of kai nis I'm losing interest on playing pretty hard, yes.

I see. Not as bad as I was expecting.
I wonder if the F6F-5 will be up-gradable too as it's the most probably upgrade after the F6F-3.
Then I wonder if there will be a plane after that.

>>16392515

Another Brit could be as little as four months away.

>>16392525
I guess F6F-5 will eat Reppu.

>>16391834
One of my favorites. She's so good that even her scenes in the anime were good.

>>16391834
The only thing I don't like about Shimakaze is the trap cosplayer doujin porn.

>>16392545
Reppuu

>>16392552
烈風

On slow ships:

Honestly, only Jun'you and Ryuuhou get anything out of this since they have one throwaway slot and can go fast now. Houshou (and maybe Hiyou) is the only CVL who's fucked since she'd have to give up a third of her planes.

Mizuho wants to go fast, but has to choose between doubling her first plane slot count or getting a minsub. Teste's installation hitting capabilities have to take a hit, but that's all she loses.

Fast Fusou and Ise can work, but only if you're going Zuiun mule for whatever reason. Katori loses out on OASW unless she's married, unlike Kashima.

This is all assuming you get expansions for all of them. Otherwise, only fast Ryuuhou, fast Zuiun mules, and fast married training cruisers can happen without being too horribly gimped.

>>16392551
this meme came from china

Why is Tanaka such a fagtron who can't even revise speed system WoWS-style, i.e. measuring speed in actual knots? LoS-style speed thresholds would make much more sense than
>fast freet onry!
routing.

Do you like Arashio?

>>16392628
I liked her quite a lot in the past but the feeling waned after ~half a year. She's okay.

>>16392586
His team sucks at programing i guess, as it's easier for them to add new mechanics than to fix existing ones. Faggots.

>>16392586
Well the thing is I'm not sure if you can average out the fleet speed since the speed of a fleet depends on the slowest ships.

>>16392641
That is the point. Set the minimum speed requirement and not "everybody who's slow suck, duh".

>>16392480
I'd like Fumikane to draw a few snow niggers for CanThis.

>>16392586
That's what I was thinking after I read the update notes. Numbers would be better at this point.

>>16392586
For what? It was separated by categories. Having individual speeds only makes it worse. This new super speed will only be useful for transport missions, which is where it mattered a whole lot more.

>>16392655
> snow niggers
Hey, that might be true, but those words cut deep, man.

>>16392660
Also, this got me thinking that it would be pretty cool if you could shorted expedition timers with this new speed. You could finish ex 2 in 15 minutes.

>>16392672
Does this make them money?

>>16392564
I think its more like this is just some silly way to balance out the -evasion for when the bulge has to be used.

Event wise, they could be planing to just have a transport fleet with 1 or 2 barrels and the engines
to just make the fleet a little more evasive while not adding guns and torpedoes.

anyone tried slapping on the turbines and boilers on their crit magnets. See if it does anything for them. not like it would be useful anyways.

>>16392672
if only

>>16392100
46.

>>16392660
Why not extend current categories and not add fucking new ones on top? Revise all ships in very slow/slow/average/fast/very fast and you have covered all the speed spectrums. But noooo, that would be the easy way out. It's better to just strap on additional speed and have slow ships keep sucking (with fast ships coming next), while throwing equipment setups out the window if you want to have an easier time in the future event.

https://exhentai.org/g/1015447/553b0bcca1/

God save the queen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VqG0rOv8N0

>>16392728
>default Kinugasa
Its amazing how terrible it was, not even as 3D rendered model could save it.

>>16392653
Honestly, it wouldn't be too bad if they only added the possibility of bumping slow ships to fast. Adding another tier based entirely on equipment is the shitty part, since now there's a very real possibility we get superfast speed routing. So not only would slow ships have to nerf themselves to gofast, but fast ships have to also nerf themselves to get even faster. And those slow ships would have to basically cripple themselves to go superfast,

The one possible saving grace is superfast having absurdly easy routing. Best case scenario, superfast gets you a short trip to the boss, fast/slow gets you the usual challenges. Worst case scenario, superfast routes are not different from old fast routes fast/slow get E4'd. Absolute cancer scenario is superfast carrier fleet vs Wolocaust nodes.

>>16392741
Shut your mouth up, fag

>>16392748
>since now there's a very real possibility we get superfast speed routing
No anon. It's outright stated we will get it.

>>16392748
It's even worse because they added not one but two tiers of higher speed, and none of the existing fast ships that were really fast got any bonus out of it, which means both slow AND fast ships got shit on.

>>16392767
This. If ships like Shimakaze were moved up a tier, there would be something good about this update. However it is bad news only. Absolutely nothing positive.

>>16392758
Well, shit. Better get on improving that AA.

>>16392683
You are retarded. First of all, KanColle is nothing like WoWS since one is focused entirely on combat and the other logistics and management. Second, having speeds slower than slow only makes things worse for routing and the player. Hotels go from useless to just don't craft them anymore and the auxiliaries become beyond useless. This would also make Kaga average, ruining any combined fleet or even single fleet speed she is in because she is a huge crutch. Everyone freaking out over muh gimped fast hotel is a retard, this was clearly intended for an event involving heavy use of transport sorties, probably under the cover of night like the real IJN missions, which explains the speeds faster than fast and the devs implying it would have future use.

>>16392798
But Hotels are the fastest of all slow ships.

>>16392798
>Hotels go from useless to just don't craft them anymore
Good. Which means you can just skip straight to Maruyu. Or Taihou/Akitsu Maru if you want daihatsu.

>>16392753
No, her Kai 2 saved her.

Is this Tanaka's dakimakura?

>>16392798
Oh yeah, superfast transport missions with the bare minimum of weapons will save you from crits as well as have any slow, and even fast ships, that try to reach that speed will totally not be gimped to shit. You know you woldn't be able to get an A on autumn E-1 if you had to sacrifice 2! (TWO!) fucking slots to make your ships go faster, thus fucking over your OASW or ASW in general, while still getting crits all over the face.

Fuck, I forgot today was maintenance. Who got the kai ni after all?

>>16392903

Shimakaze

>>16392903
Takao. Fucking bullshit.

>>16392903
>kai ni
Yeah, about that.

>>16392903
we don't even have a single hint yet my dude

>>16392903
>kai ni
What's that? Is it something you eat?

>>16392903
Kinu.

https://exhentai.org/g/1015078/ed8426b5c3/

>>16392831
Super fast transport would apply only to the main fleet and they are not even suppose to use guns, that's the difference since they are the ones transporting while the escorts protect them and would also greatly increase their gimped evasion so you don't end up with C ranks. Also stop exaggerating, the only hard transport maps ever were the AV Hime double Ta map and Kolombangara mostly because of the PT Imps, Toukai and Catalina are going to save the day. Route support makes those maps a joke.

>>16392939
>Toukai
Who?

>>16392939
You need A rank for TP to matter. You won't get A rank without guns or torps.

PT Imps were non-issue on transport maps. None of the transport maps was joke. If anything, they're above average in difficulty because they require double support for good chance of success.

I wanna make this old lady feel young again.

>>16392939
I was just making an example.
And how would your superfast main fleet survive crits again? How exactly will your combined fleet have fast+ or higher speed if only the main fleet is speedboosted? You know you would have to sacrifice escort fleet firepower for that? And say that's not the case, how will your fully outfitted escort fleet protect the main one from getting shot with a chance for crits that ignore evasion?
There is just to many ways Tanaka can screw up the use of this speed mechanic in the next or future event for me to stay calm.

>>16392985
Weren't the Kongous 30+ knots?

I still can't equip engines on expansion slots.
Did I miss something?

>>16393006
Only the turbine, engine is too big.

>>16392504
I think I'd be fine even if they never added another Kai Ni. These days I find myself more worried about them than looking forward to them anyway.

>>16393027
Hatsuko, Jiji, Yoshinori or Amamiya Kai Ni would be guaranteed to be great.

>>16393027
Has there ever been a Kai Ni that DIDN'T cause massive amounts of butthurt?

>>16393052
Yes.

>>16393027
Yuudachi was very well received.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIShrM3YaVs

>>16393046
Come to think of it, will Sara be the first Yoshinori Kai Ni?

>>16393052
Remember when everyone was impressed she actually looked different from Shigure? She used to be so cute.

>>16393046
Even if the art is great they can make the stats disappointing (or so brokenly good everyone else becomes obsolete).
I would love more permanent sprites updates though, some ships like Hatsukaze or Kuma and Tama need one badly.

>>16393115
Yes. If I remember correctly, he didn't even have a single seasonal until last year.

>>16393052
Only this year had a relatively high amount of bitching on that, though I guess the K2 drought only made it look worse. Kinu and Kawakaze tied for most butthurt generated, but for different reasons. Second goes to Ooshio, mostly because of hat neutering. Satsuki got shirt art, but that was forgotten quickly. People were too busy fapping to really complain about Kasumi and Asashio.

>>16393120
>Even if the art is great they can make the stats disappointing
No. Stats are always better at Kai Ni.

>>16393131
Kinu says hi.

>>16393116

If you looks at Poi's and Shigure's non-K2 art they also don't have the same face problem. Seems like same face is a requirement for shiratsuyu-class Kai Ni.

>>16393137
Read the wiki, retard.

>>16393131
Ushio has the most buffs on record. She used to be weaker than Okinami.

>>16393137
Kinu's stats on average are better than Kai Ni. Not to mention she can do opening ASW better.

>>16393145
And? Her Kai Ni stats are better than Kai. Kai Ni was a nice buff for her.

>>16393131
I just said disappointing not worse.

>>16393150
>Kinu stats on average are better at Kai Ni.
Is what I meant.

>>16393123
I thought he did a seasonal in 2015 but I am probably remembering wrong. Maybe it was promotional art.

>>16393116
She was his most unique and he ruined her, its amazing. And for what? A dumb gimmick that looked ridiculous the first time and tried to push on another, so stupid.

>>16393169
Kamo was his first and it was for 2016. Then she got another for that colab along with Mutsu for her fist seasonal and Iowa's first for this year.

>>16393181
Oh and Yamato's first for summer, which was his second seasonal overall IIRC.

>>16391834
How fast will this make her hips move?
She'll have integrated new model boiler at Kai ni right?

>>16393183
>>16393181
Thanks. Thought he did Yamato in a kimono but that either was promo art or someone else altogether.

>>16393027
What's the worry? Shit stats?

>>16393116
Literally all she needed was to keep her blue eyes and she's be my fav destroyer, instead of 2nd

>>16393012
It's a boiler, not actually an engine.

Why couldn't we have gotten this pose for Warspite's CG?

>>16393191
>Kai ni
Not in your lifetime.

>>16393241
Because it's a struggle for her to stand or walk for too long.

>>16393131
It's not Kai Ni, but Tenryuu's luck drops from 17 to 12 when she gets Kai.

>>16393157
It's not my fault you have ridiculously high expectations.

>>16393263
So does Ooi's and I'm pretty sure some DDs' too. Maybe Fubuki and one of Kagerous?

>>16393191
She should already have it integrated like ducks have fire directors, the same goes for Uzuki but with daihatsu.
>oh, but lets make it a remodel ability which are already fucking scarce
It's complete bullshit, they are just pissing people off, especially the nips with the Aoba cock teasing.

>Houshou will never, NEVER be your mom
why even live

>>16393262
Oh shut up.

>>16393241
Because it shows how bad the design really is.

>>16393278
How are they teasing the nips with Aoba?

>>16393296
>Houshou will never, NEVER be your girlfriend-mom
Just end me.

https://exhentai.org/g/1015352/f57d7c57ba/

For those interested in the idea of multiple speed tiers, here's a list of every in-game class and their rough speed. The game's regular slowpoke threshold seems to be right above Yamato.

>>16393392
Yamato was pretty fast all things considered.

>>16393395
Can't wait for the first 改三.

>>16393395
>50 torpedo tubes
She's gonna have in-built midget sub and 150 torpedo stat.

>>16393392
>Shimakaze 40.9
>Maestrale 38
Didn't someone post that Maestrale had better maintained speed compared to Shimakazes' going all out on the speed test sometime ago?

>>16393425
Well, that list is showing top speed. What I remember though is the Le Fantasque class's speed tests were done in different conditions than those for Shimakaze so it's hard to really call them faster.

>>16393442
Oh, sorry. Yeah, the Le Fantasque. But it still says about the nominal 40 making it a better compariosn to Shimakaze.

>>16393392
>tfw Mizuho was fast at one point

>>16393392
No to nitpick too much, but shouldn't it say Lexington where Sara is?

>>16393460
Three have 45 original -> 37 after refit while other three have merely "40".

Looks like they were actually slower in combat conditions than half of Japanese DDs.

>>16393486
They were essentially CLs. They were called DDs because they were called "large destroyers" and after the refit reclassified into CLs proper.

Which ship girl looks most like an elf?

>>16393506
Kawakaze.

>>16393392
>The game's regular slowpoke threshold seems to be right above Yamato.
We've known that for ages.

>>16393506
Iowa and Murasame

>>16393506

Are we talking about Legolas or Santa's helpers?

>Matsu class
>new escort carrier
>this speed shit
>small scale event
Please don't tell me they actually plan on making a transport event.

>>16393486
Pretty sure that's because they were forced to add Armor.

>>16393506
Kawakaze has elf ears.

>>16393518
The ones they rape in hentai.

>>16393392
Where did you get the speed for Graf? All places I've been too said 30.
Also didn't Saratoga go 34+ knots at one point?

DMM you fucking shitheads stop freezing when I'm trying to give you money.

>>16393543
It's just a way of them telling you they don't want your filthy waito gaijin piggu money.

>>16393548
But I'm a dirty spic.

>>16393550
Even worse.

>>16393520
Don't worry, final map will have unlockable start point with Suijou, debuff with Kidou, TP phase and final HP phase with light fleet which will require double support. All will require three land bases.

>>16393596
Different locks for the transport half and the kill half.

>>16393605
Yeah, didn't consider those. Obviously half of those will require fast+ fleet if you want to avoid node with triple tako Wo Kai Ace. Boss node will have two Ancient DD.

>>16393605
>winter map
>locks

>>16393596
Just steamroll the event on easy mode.

Free yourself from this tyranny.

>>16393619
But easy mode is haram.

>>16393618
It might have specific branching rules instead, same shit but worse.

>>16393596
>All will require three land bases.
You can only use 2 for attack now.

>>16393626
Hard mode is the opiate of the masses.

>>16393626
Doing something forbiden should turn you on more.

>>16393631
And? Third will simply decrease the hidden sortie cost from 500f/300b to 300f/180b.

>>16393614
>Boss node will have two Ancient DD.
Both equipped with 深海古型恐怖力発電発電機 to show off the new mechanics.

>>16393645
Don't Forget Jet fighter Wo.

Please, guys, stop else I won't be able to sleep tonight

>>16393652
Oh, and the music will suck.

https://exhentai.org/g/1015221/40fbaaf3f1/

Pyon!

>>16393662

>the music will suck

That's it, I'm done.

>>16393664
Yayoi is rare.

>>16393662
But this was good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE1b86ftjeY

Will 2017 be the year that KanColle dies?

>>16393664

>>16393678
No. But everyone who will keep playing it will die a little inside.

I want WANKER to return.

>>16393676
Tone is fucking ugly and annoying. Also, your song sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIZRATBeUkA

>>16393698
I thought we were talking about jets. And your BGM isn't even the best of the year, this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtMMYTCfing

>>16393685
This. I was so fucking ready to splurge and buy multiple rings if Aoba got Kai Ni this time. Instead we got an update which doesn't bring anything good, introduces more screw sinks and augurs horrible news for next event and others to come on top of denying any chance of speed rework... and I'll still play the game.

>>16393714
>if Aoba got Kai Ni this time.
Why the fuck would you think Aoba was getting a Kai 2 last night when they never announced anything other than the engine changes before now?

>>16393714
>and I'll still play the game
I still like it.

>>16393705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfMQxYASAvg

>>16393720
Because they announced it more than one month ago and it wouldn't be a first time they did surprise remodel?

>>16393736
I like it it too. KanColle is what literally kept me alive two years ago. Considering it's already third year I'm not sure if I'll ever stop loving this game, even if I had a bit of breakdown after shitty Spring 2016.

>>16393790
The last time they did a surprise remodel was Yamashiro and that one was actually late since it was supposed to come at the same time as Fusou's, not a week later.

>>16393790
Not your blog.

>>16393714
>>16393790
And here I thought Zarafags were the new delusional Samidarefags but it turned out to be Aobafags instead.

>>16393802
It might as well be considering my post rate which you're not aware of. I'm not planning to make it one though, no worries.

>>16393824
Nah. Aoba is quite the obvious choice so it's quite natural people expect her. I think it's way more about having any Kai Ni at all than specifically Aoba.

>>16393831
Kainifags will be the new Samidarefags.

>>16393836
Shouldn't that be the other way around?

>Everyone's expecting Aoba K2
>It's actually Mogami and/or Mikuma

>>16393836
Actuallysomethinghappeninginthisgodawfulgame will be new Samidarefags.

>>16393849
They'd have specified CAV and not CA if that was the case.

>Scrap 2 12.7cm Twin Gun Mounts and have 5000 furniture tokens, 2 7.7mm Machine Guns and 2 Type 52 Zero Fighters in your inventory while the quest is activated
How do they translate 96 to 52?

>>16393857
It's a process of elimination
>Aoba and Atago/Takao's artists are both MIA
>A Prinz K2 would be way too strong
>Zara-class is out because the Italians will never be anything other than Tanaka's personal chew toys

>>16393853
Why did Mutsuki let this happen?

I just want some goddamn 改二 remodels. I don't care who gets them. Liven up the game already.

>>16393871
>Aoba and Atago/Takao's artists are both MIA

>>16393890
So fucking much, this. It could even be ne of the Whobukies I don't have. Just give me something to train.

>>16393891
Show me one artwork they have done other than CGs.

>>16393891
I hope Tanaka gives Shobon some work, maybe one of the new subs.

Speaking of remodels, is it even possible for girls like Akizuki and Yukikaze to get one without thoroughly devaluing all the other destroyers?

>>16393919
Marginal statboost and no broken game whatsoever.

>>16393919

Do ducks not already devalue all other destroyers?

>>16393929

With their shit torp stat? no way. They don't even have such a high FP too and arguably their HP number makes then more prone to taiha from overkill than a 31 HP DD

>>16393929
You're telling me you only sortie Akizukis?

>>16393901

>>16393919
It's hard to say when every remodel so far is from ships with average stats. We'll see with Sara. They are theoretically strong like a remodel, especially Yukikaze. Akizuki just has really high AA.

>>16393938
When was this made?

>>16393943
2015.

>>16393947
But they still haven't contributed anything to the game itself-no new girls or seasonal sprites for the existing girls.

>>16393871
>A Prinz K2 would be way too strong
Prinz didn't really do anything of note after her run with Bismarck.

>>16393966
>muh nuke surviving cruiser
Is the arguement.

>>16393971
Nagato was the one who survived and only sunk because of a leakage she had before she even got to Bikini Atoll.

>>16393971
Well in her case it's more like she slowly bled out.

>>16393989
A Kai ni were she does Nuke damage but loses health every node.

>>16393966
Kai Ni always adds stats here and there. CAs can't even get ASW while evasion and LoS wouldn't be enough so she would have to gain firepower/torpedo/HP/armor - and those already at Kai put her at Myoukou's Kai Ni level. Prinz Kai Ni would be super strong. Not that I would complain, but speaking from plebs' perspective it can be considered too much.

>"Adding Allied ships won't kill the game" they said

>>16394013
>"Adding new game mechanics won't break the game, only make it more fun" they said

>>16393984
>Nagato was the one who survived and only sunk because of a leakage she had before she even got to Bikini Atoll.
Where did this myth come from? Nagato could not be closely examined like many of the other ships that were close to be test Baker center. Just because she had no immediate damage doesn't mean a small problem that grew bigger wasn't caused by the bomb.

Prinz was far away from both detonations. If anything it's embarrassing for the USN that she sunk.

>>16394013
That's not what killed the game. LBAS, Jests, and this turbine/boiler bullshit is what is killing the game.

>>16394013
But it's the bulges and engines that are unreasonably expensive to upgrade. Even 16inch is more reasonable.

>mfw update is just a giant screw sink and incentive to pay for Akashi hole-punchers.

Fucking Tanaka, what do you have planned next.

>>16394103
Unless upgrades give retarded bonuses like tanks and surface radars, I'm not even touching that shit.

I swear people are more upset now than when hole punches were first introduces as the designated cash shop item slot. All over the fantasy that this will be 100% mandatory for future maps. Rings weren't necessary, they drowned us in screw opportunities, and Hayasui barrels got a quest right after as maps started needing them. Odds are this will end up the same.

>>16394050
>and this turbine/boiler bullshit is what is killing the game.
But slow ship bullying was fine? The only upset about jets is that they aren't the killing machines some expected. LBAS has been scaled back with every event.

Mark my words, tonight they will give hints about the Sara's Kai 2.

>>16394160
And now we will have slow and fast ship bullying. Way to solve a problem.

>>16394020
>>16394050
>>16394051
You know that Allied ships will take all the blame.
>>16394160
>The only upset about jets is that they aren't the killing machines some expected.
But at least that would've justified the cost.

>>16394160
If all this update did was turn slow ships into fast ones it would be fine.

>>16394160
It was fine because there are alternatives, people are just pissed there isn't enough fast CVLs, which they always get stretched thin every event with multiple locks unless you only keep 4 hotel dupes then you are a retard. People freaking out over the super speed should not, I guarantee this is exclusive to transport maps. You can't even put regular BBs in escort combined fleet, so it's literally nothing.

>Aoba K2 announced
>eventually, twitter previews arrive
>Fujikawa confirmed, Hatusko NTR'd
>lots of AA guns
>update hits
>Aoba K2 is a convertible, transport mode and AA mode
>transport mode is basically KinuK2
>AA mode lowers her speed to slow
>shorts replaced by a skirt on both
Are you excited, anon?

>>16394178
>fast ship bullying

Exactly how does fast ship bullying works? They can be faster and faster.

>>16394184
>You know that Allied ships will take all the blame.
How? Allied ships did not introduce any of these mechanics.

>>16394013
I don't give a slightest fuck about them adding in Iowa/Warspite/Teste (even if Iowa and Teste have shit voices and Warspite is useless), what kills the game for me is fucking LBAS and updates like this one. Also, lack of Kai Ni. Fucking hell, I would even be very happy about Kai Ni of Aquila which I never bother to farm. I want SOMETHING.
A N Y T H I N G.

>>16394184
>You know that Allied ships will take all the blame.
I think you might be retarded.

>>16394207
>>16394194
But they were introduced at the same time.

>>16394193
After sacrificing firepower/aa/asw, sure, go ahead.

>>16394190
What does not being able to put regular BBs into escort fleet have to do with the fact that you will need to sacrifice two slots on all ships in the fleet to give it normal routing?

>>16394208
I think you are retarded. Most people seem to be blaming Tanaka.

>>16394160
>I swear people are more upset now than when hole punches were first introduces as the designated cash shop item slot.
When Akashi slots were introduced, they weren't confirmed by devs to give better branching. However turbines are confirmed to give better branching.

>All over the fantasy that this will be 100% mandatory for future maps.
You don't understand. Fleet speed is decided by the slowest ship. If you want to achieve fast+ or super fast you HAVE TO use boiler + turbine on every single ship in the fleet. If you don't use expansion slots, you have to gimp your fleet horribly. With expansion slot, the gimp is bad but not devastating. That makes this mechanic a pay 2 win.

>>16394160
Rings only increase evasion, ASW and Hp which barely matter vs crits. hayasui reuires using a ship which dies to shelling of a DD. Those were balanced. Boiler + turbine crap isn't and IT'S CONFIRMED to have an effect.

>>16394192

>Ise K2s announced
>They get a transport mode
>It's their only mode

>>16394207
>>16394217
You're the one who's retarded. Tanaka obviously thinks that rolling out Allied ships will compensate for all the fuck-ups he's made recently. Years from now, when people are analyzing the downfall of KanColle, they'll point to this as one of the root causes.

>>16394210
We don't even know if faster than fast will be used in regular routing you retard. I'm telling you this is exclusive to transport maps, the setup is reminiscent of their real life Tokyo Express. We don't even know how it will work.

>>16394249
Yeah you're definitely a retard, I bet you're one of the former Axiscollefags.

>>16394226

We can only hope that this new routing with fast+ and ultra fast ships is limited to one or 2 ships in the fleet to get the good routing, otherwise, yeah, it will be pretty bullshit.

heh

>>16394255

>the setup is reminiscent of their real life Tokyo Express

I don't see the relation bettwen these new boiler mechanics and the Tokyo Express

>>16394257
>I bet you're one of the former Axiscollefags.
Bullshit. I actually like the Allied boatsluts. That doesn't change the fact that they're gonna be associated with KanColle's decline.

>>16394249
Then those people didn't play the game.

What if they made it so that fleet with increased speed can finish expedition in less time?

>>16394270
Maybe he means the Tokyo express gimped themselves. Which they did.

>>16394255
>We don't even know if faster than fast will be used in regular routing you retard
>I'm telling you this is exclusive to transport maps
So we do know something about it? Or are you pulling this out of your ass completely? On the other hand my asumption follows Tanakas' "working as inteded upon implementation experience". The player is always the one getting screwed over when he implements "cool" new mechanics and only after a week or month does it get fixed.

>>16394271
Only people who didn't play the game or the highest order axiscollefags would think that.

>>16394271

I think p2w will be associated more with Kancolle's decline.

>>16394226
>Boiler + turbine crap isn't
Yes it fucking is you fucking retard, the fact that you have to gimp your ships is the balance. You can start complaining when they add a turbine+boiler single item that can go in the slot but until then it's literally useless.

>>16394192
The only thing I want from Aoba Kai Ni is yasen stats better than Kinugasa Kai Ni. I have already planned to give her at least one Maruyu soup.

The skirt with better art would be a nice upgrade. I like shorts but skirt is fine too. No problem. Far better than Ooshio losing her hat or Kawakaze losing her navel and armpits.

>>16394306

>turbine+boiler single item

That's the obvious continuation and it wouldn't surprise me they add this more sooner than later.

>>16394320
It'll cost so many screws no one will make one.

>>16394320
I don't see why a combined turbine + boiler item would fit in the slot when boilers alone don't.

>>16394326

That's besides the point. Just being there is enough.

>>16394331

Who knows? I mean, it could be either way.

>>16394341
>Just being there is enough.
No it isn't, the only ones who would even bother would RTAfags and even they'd be more likely to put megamis on the expansion slot instead. What I find more appalling is the fact some of you actually believe having a super fast fleet will mean getting super easy routing just because the fleet is gimped. It's like you guys haven't played the game nor know how Tanaka bullshits difficulty out of nothing.

>>16394354
Oh yeah and I forgot one thing, in the impossible scenario that routing does become extremely easy just by having a gimped super fast fleet, how exactly are you planning to kill the boss node with your fleet's damage capacity being so shit? Do you just expect LBAS and support to take care of it?

>>16394354
Wrong. It's the fleet that isn't fast+ or higher that will go through so much shit you'd consider suicide.

>>16394364
TCI and night DA i guess.

>>16394354
>the only ones who would even bother would RTAfags

You really are underestimating the nips and their ability to throw money at useless stuff. Just look at gacha games like FGO or Granblue and the millions they make.

>>16394364

>how exactly are you planning to kill the boss

By having Akashi hole in all my ships which would let me have a decent setup in my ships.

>>16394391
The autistic nips that play KanColle aren't the same type of autistic nips that throw money at gachas. They go by hard cold numbers.

>>16394255
>We don't even know if faster than fast will be used in regular routing you retard.
We do know, retard.

>I'm telling you this is exclusive to transport maps
Based on fucking nothing.

>>16394296
Only DDs, CLs and CA(V)s can get the highest speed with the least amount of engine equipment. Just getting Nagato to fast+ requires 4 engines, that is the whole equipment space. It would be retarded to require a slow BB for any transport mission and you can't even take them because they dead end you, speed is very important. Where else would you need the engines?

>>16392331
fuck her

>>16394395

>The autistic nips that play KanColle aren't the same type of autistic nips that throw money at gachas

And you say that based on what? Are you actually telling me that people who play Kancolle don't play Gacha? Because I do know a ranker who spends around 2000-3000 yen a week in FGO gacha.

>>16392345
>>16392346
Or maybe mines are introduced, and you can only evade them with Fast+ ships.

>>16394306
>Yes it fucking is you fucking retard, the fact that you have to gimp your ships is the balance.
Only theoretically, retard. Previously, you could simply use fast ships instead of slow ships and those are easy to get. Now, however, you're forced to to used fast+ or super fast fleet which is GUARANTEED to completely fuck over your fleet unless you buy expansion slots - in which case your fleet turns from basically useless to merely sub-optimal.

>when they add a turbine+boiler single item that can go in the slot but until then it's literally useless
This would actually be much better than current update (assuming it didn't eat fuckload of screws which became impossible after THIS update) because you have a total of 17 free Akashi holes and even if you used them all in the past or are a kuso mode fag, one is from lat update and next event will likely give five.

>>16394406
You realise how much slots you need to use to improve speed and how many will be left for the useful equips? Or do you think everyone has all shipgirls with Akashi hole in them?
I'm not talking about boosting the slowest ships to fast+ and up, i'm telling you that if you need to at least fast+ your fleet without akashi hole you'll handicap your fleet really hard.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30368784
Maybe Teste and Mizuho are the same person

Can't you guys wait for the event to know if there really will be bullshit maps that need fast+ ships before shitposting?

>>16394470
Then what does that make the Abyssal AVs?

>>16394485
High school edgy phase?

>>16394473

It is because there isn't any event going on couple with the big dissapointment that was this update that people are shitposting.

I mean, just like that anon said, this update was utter shit, just another screw sink and more Akashi hole shilling.

>>16394453
CAs can still double attack, you are unlikely to need absolutely everybody to be fast+ because the fleet is already fast, there is only penalties to slow fleets because the strongest girls just happen to be slow.. For all we know, it might be the average or only 2.

Almost time for them to give updates about more collaborations, movie shit no one cares about, and good morning greetings.

>>16393486
They had less speed after refit because they replaced the original engines with US made ones, less powerful but more fuel-efficient.

The french navy worked with very powerful high pressure engines, see how the ones for the Mogador class DDs were rated 92,000 horsepower, ie 17,000hp more than Speedslut

> The Rateau-Bretagne geared steam turbines were designed to produce 92,000 shaft horsepower (68,604 kW), which would propel the ship at 39 knots (72 km/h; 45 mph). However, during sea trials in March 1938, Mogador's turbines provided 118,320 shp (88,230 kW) and she reached 43.45 knots (80.47 km/h; 50.00 mph) for a single hour.

Keep in mind this is on a 500 tons heavier displacement.

>>16394473
Can you propose a different subject to discuss? No? Thanks for the input.

>>16394494
>For all we know, it might be the average or only 2.
This would make no sense. If you want your fleet to be fast+, all of them have to be fast+.

>>16394492
>I mean, just like that anon said, this update was utter shit, just another screw sink and more Akashi hole shilling.
3/4 maintenances offer absolutely nothing. I don't really know what people were expecting, but speed changing is something people have been asking about forever and could end up making some interesting maps.

Dumping on /a/, but in case that gets deleted:
>https://exhentai.org/g/1016513/b8d79d2a46/
>http://pastebin.com/wJMwChFh

>>16394517
OK, but did they have any combat usage outside of running away before the refit?

>>16394517

>118,320 shp

Holy hell, that's almost as much as a Myoko.

>>16394544
Not really, but that didn't have much to do with their speed.

>>16394521

Which boat has the best nose?

>>16394536
>speed changing is something people have been asking about forever
Exactly. When it offers only a screw sink, people are bound to be upset. This shit was anounced years ago and the only thing we get is pay2win.

>>16394549
In that case their pre-refit stats won't even be considered. Shimakaze is the fastest DD in the end.

>>16394544
Couple fantasque class DDs sank some german ships, but I can't remember if that was before or after the refit.

>>16394521
Let's talk about the Zara-class and why they deserve to become Armored Cruisers.

>>16394531
Then it's not happening. When transport maps were first added, the devs said that a nice balance of offense and transport materials was the key. This is impossible when you have to bring drums/daihatsu and now engines, it's going to be an average or bust.

>>16394573
I wish I could take all the whining about the Zara-class's armor, travel back in time to before Winter 2016, and show it to Tanaka.

>>16394588
You know the funny part about is the whole thing got hand waved in the 4koma as if it was nothing important.

>>16394588
Another +1 armor

Hope you enjoy.

Is it just me or do the design sketches and long distance pictures of the Zaras make them look more like BBs than cruisers?

>>16394539
>that cover
>non-hentai
Into the trash.

>>16394596
No, if past!Tanaka saw this autism, he'd never have added the Zara-class in the first place.

>>16393486
>half of Japanese DDs
That half was entirely composed of outdated ships, though (Mutsuki, Kamikaze). After the post-Tomozuru reconstruction, the only Special Type+ DDs in the IJN fleet that could beat Le Fantasque even post-refit were the four Akatsuki-classes and Shimakaze.

>>16394620
Gaijin players were a mistake.

>>16394610
Nah, that's clearly a cruiser. You can tell even by the shape, not to mention the scale compared to seaplane on the bow.

>>16394623
As expected of the Lady-class.

>>16394594
The whole chapter becomes is a history lesson whenever a new girl shows up.

>>16394539
my god

>>16394625
Not all of us think the same, faggot.

>>16394517
When are we going to get those French engines?