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I'll pass. Betting on a cursed tongue is never a good idea.

>>16362428
she can start by reversing her butt onto my lap

>>16362428
I want to fuck the cute one-winged angel as she tries to suppress her moans!

>>16364174
I want to splurt my goo between Gu's gus.

Leave Sagume to me!

>>16364217
ESTUANS INTERIES

IRA VEHEMETI

SA GU ME!

why she have one wing?

>>16364237
She's a one-winged angel

>>16364243
so she can´t fly?

>>16364237
She's a fan of FFVII

>>16364237
"I won't get hurt."

>>16364174
Sagume struggling to control her voice as she's overwhelmed with pleasure is truly magical.
I can't decide if it'd be better to fuck her gagged or ungagged. Ungagged has the obvious plus, but gagged means you can reach over and take it off in the middle of sex. It's be hilarious to watch her panic and struggle to keep it on when you start unlocking the straps.

>>16364261
Please, don't bully the Sagume.

>>16364272
But she is a lunarian.
How am I supposed to not bully her?

>>16364217
I propose a Third Lunar Invasion where we send Cloud to kill all the Lunarian scum

>>16364272
I'm sorry, but it's just so fun.

Slowly cutting away sagume's skirt over time so that she doesn't notice.

>>16364337
me in the middle

>>16364312
Sagume seems pretty competent. She'd notice for sure.

>>16364312
A goddess should do better than that.

>>16362428
"Sagume is an interesting and beautiful character with a well thought out ability, strong, responsible and more than deserving Doremy."

>>16364449
<span class="sjis">BAD END[/spoiler]

>>16364247
You don't need wings to fly in 2hu anyway.

Why does such a shitty JRPG villain make such a cute 2hu?

>>16362428

>>16368434
Anything can be great if you make it a cute girl.

>>16368826
Is that a gag bowtie?
Where can I get one?

>>16368338
THICK
CHICKEN
THIGHS

>>16369087

>>16369087
Moar.

I want to shoot my gu in her womb!

>>16364243
That music is great

>>16368434
Because cute is god.

>>16362428
what's with the autistic phrasing


"sagume thread" is just fine

>>16378978
Are you new here?

>>16362428
>she will reverse a situation
That's not how her power works.

I hate sagugufags

>>16378978
get out

>>16379013
Then I bet you can give an exact explanation of her power. After all it's not like her canon description states her ability as: "Inverting a situation by speaking about it"

I fag Saguguhaters

>>16380690
It's not "reversing" as in the exact opposite of what she says will happen.
If she says "Anon will fall down" the complete opposite situation won't happen, it just means that somehow, someway, anon won't end up falling. It's just raising the possibilities of a different outcome.

Gugufag

>>16381109
>But be careful ! It can be catastrophic !

Implies op knows about the impreditcable nature of the reversal process. Please read the full posts and stop rage, my friend.

>>16378992
>>16379052
"I'm gonna marry sagume" or "This is best and cutest girl!" is autism level within tolerable levels
but god damn, OP went full retard into cringe inducer

>>16381467
You have to go back

>>16382558
Fat

>>16381109
Sagumeme is basically hated by the Universe so much (she created the Amanojackoffs, remember?) that the Fates conspire to make everything she says become its reverse. It's not reality-bending by any degree, but rather a subtle working of circumstance, accident and coincidence.

"I would never fall for a filthy Earthling such as you," for instance, wouldn't automagically make her fall in love with you or me; rather, something, somewhere along the way would happen, that would profoundly change her mind about letting you rub your phimotic Earthling dick all over her wonderful, pliable thighs.

>>16382872
Additionally, Sagugu's power (or curse) CAN'T change established facts and realities (unless they can be changed by nature - for instance "the weather is good today" would be an established fact, and unchangeable for Sagume, if not for the weather's natural ability and tendency to change).

>>16382872
That's what I just wrote
>she created the Amanojackoffs, remember?
That depends on wether she is THE Ame-no-Sagume or not

weird skirt.

>>16382818
no

>>16383254
Hag

>>16383254
cute cute CUTE

Imagine Sagume having a chat with Seija wwww

Now imagine raping both of them, neither can properly say "no" wwww

wouldn't you love to bully sagume

>>16385012
I would love to verbally abuse Sagume as she just stands there silently because she's too scared to make a retort.

>>16385024
She's pretty strong, you know. There's no reversal curse on her fists or bullets.

>>16362428
I want to get intimate with her and have her point out my impotence.

>>16387304
>and have her point out my impotence.
But then you won't be impotent.

Or was that your plan all along?

What does she smell like?

>>16390990
Chanel No.5 or nothing on Earth

>>16391005
Huh, I was thinking she'd smell like peaches, since there's lots of them in the Lunar Capital.

>>16362428
>tfw she'll never get a figure made of her
Being buyfag is suffering

>>16391827
This.

>>16368836
You could probably just perform some arts&crafts on a regular gag with some fabric and a strap.

>>16381109
>as in the exact opposite of what she says will happen.
That's not what anyone said her power was before her.
And what you described is wrong as well. Fate exists in Touhou, and one outcome is fated to happen. When Sagume talks about an event, its fated outcome is reversed. It's not raising the possibility of a different outcome, it's guaranteeing that the opposite of the predetermined outcome will happen instead.
It was already set in stone that the Lunarians would conquer and settle in Gensokyo, so Sagume spoke about that to the PC, thus reversing fate so that the Lunarians wouldn't colonize Gensokyo. She was betting on the reason for that being that the PC would defeat Junko and the Lunarians could return to the moon.
It is definitely reversing.

>>16391184
That or she smells like nothing at all because that would be the [ Ｐ Ｕ Ｒ Ｅ ] way to smell.

>>16391835
>Seija is also one of my favourite characters, especially design-wise
>even had a game made entirely about her
>0 chance of a figure
Suffering

>>16391882
I'm sure some awesome figures of both Seija and Sagume will come out in the near future!

>>16391869
>Fate exists in Touhou
Just like Remilia's power to control it right?

>It was already set in stone that the Lunarians would conquer and settle in Gensokyo
?

>When Sagume talks about an event, its fated outcome is reversed

Where is is this stated?

>It is definitely reversing
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/reverse

"to change the direction, order, position, result, etc. of something to its OPPOSITE"

>>16391904
"When she speaks about any particular situation, (particularly to those who are thought to be involved,)
that situation will begin to proceed in its opposite way.
This power is similar to that of amanojaku, but she is a divine spirit ranked far above amanojaku.
Amanojaku only speak contrarily, but in her case, with her words the world acts contrarily.

Should she try to accomplish something, it will end in failure,
and if something bad is occurring, she has the ability to find a solution.
It's not as if the situation will always improve for her personally.
She's truly a divine spirit whose 'words can lead to disaster', as the saying goes."

Official profile from ZUN.

>>16391912
And even with the translation, it doesn't say anything about her changing situations to their opposite

>>16391936

maybe you want to read >>16391912 again:
>"When she speaks about any particular situation, (particularly to those who are thought to be involved,)
that situation will begin to proceed in its opposite way."
>...will begin to proceed in its opposite way.

>>16391945
It uses the word opposite and then changes it to *contrarily"
There's obviously some funky translation shenanigans going on

>>16391955
Not my fault, I don't speak ching chong.
You could translate it yourself.

>>16391964
Nah, I don't like Sagume

>>16390990
tapir

>>16392019

>>16362428
I ask her to say that my dick isn't gigantic.

>>16392428
But that's an established fact and Sagume can't change those.

>>16391835
They are both relatively unpopular

>>16389334
Who knows...

>>16391955
Contrary
noun
"opposite in nature, direction, or meaning"

I don't what's confusing you about this.

>>16393198
That'd imply that everything she says has a complete opposite effect on any given situation, which is not the case

>>16393280
It doesn't really imply that

>>16393298
Yes it does

>>16393304
In what way?
"When she speaks about any particular situation, that situation will begin to proceed in its opposite way" is pretty clear, her choice of words don't matter, just whether or not she speaks about the situation does. As soon as she speaks about a situation, its outcome reverses.

>>16393408
So if she started talking about me freezing, would I end up burning? Because that's what opposite means.

>>16393441
If you were fated to suddenly flash-freeze for some reason, and she talked about the event, you would either no flash-freeze, or burst into flames (depending on what ZUN or the given author interprets the opposite to be).
If you weren't about to suddenly freeze, Sagume talking about you freezing wouldn't cause you to burst into flames, because there's no fate to reverse, she's talking about an event that doesn't exist.

>>16393472
>you would either no flash-freeze, or burst into flames (depending on what ZUN or the given author interprets the opposite to be)
This is my problem with this theory of yours.
Opposite has 1 meaning, it's not something relative that you can change depending on different situations.

Also how do you even know if something is "fated" to happen?

>there's no fate to reverse, she's talking about an event that doesn't exist.

She's ALWAYS talking about things that didn't happen yet, how is she supposed to reverse things if the "opposite" situation might or might not happen, or how is she suppoed to know that they'll happen at all?

>>16393544
But defining what the opposite of any object or concept is not clear-cut at all. What is the opposite of an apple? What is the opposite of grey? "Opposite" is a human construct and, in reality, doesn't really exist. It's just a way for us to point out how dissimilar two things are.

And when I say "an event that doesn't exist", I'm not talking about events that haven't happened yet. Fate is literally a thing in the Touhou universe, Remilia's ability is literally to manipulate fate, it doesn't get much more confirmed than that.
She knows that things will happen by drawing conclusions with information she's given. Her actions in LoLK are described as a gamble, because that's what they were. She was betting that the Lunarians would successfully colonize Gensokyo, and she was betting that by reversing that fate, it would be because the heroine would defeat Junko and the Lunarians could return to the Moon. She didn't know for sure either things would happen, and that is why she's so careful about saying anything, because she could accidentally reverse fate in unexpected ways.

And finally, I would really call it a "theory" when I'm just trying to explain the official description of her powers to you.

>>16394482
>But defining what the opposite of any object or concept is not clear-cut at all. What is the opposite of an apple? What is the opposite of grey? "Opposite" is a human construct and, in reality, doesn't really exist. It's just a way for us to point out how dissimilar two things are.

Then I guess you can't define her powers.
This is why I called it a theory.

A gamble on a different outcome would be more appropriate thant "reversing" situations

>>16394523
So, how should we describe her power?
Stopping things from happening?
Changing the course of "fate"?

>>16396702
I don't know, I don't really care that much
But it's definitely not literally reversing situations

>>16396758
Well, for someone who doesn't care, you really know how to hold a stable argument.

Back to Sagume.

>>16396794
She's indirectly related to my favourite character, that's why.

>>16392519
Then she doesn't change shit, she is just a seer who talks in reverse.

Then Clownpiece's power was unknown? How, if she was wrecking Lunarians?

>>16396702
I found a detailed explanation here: http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E7%A8%80%E7%A5%9E%E3%82%B5%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A1
Not that I understood everything as I used google translate, but I believe a couple points are quite clear:
- She can reverse a situation, not the outcome
- She needs to talk to people involved in said situation
- She doesn't need to point out any outcome, desired or not. It's not that the opposite of what she says happens, rather just talking about a situation reverses it.

It's still rather vague though. I may be wrong, but I believe I once understood her power to work like this. If she talks about an event which is yet to occur (not about the outcome, just the event), then the probability of the results become inverted: P(x) = 1 - P(x')
Put this way, it sounds like she might embody the infinite improbability drive

Don't mind me if I've spewed too much BS, I'm sleep deprived right now.