/jp/ - Otaku Culture

There are homeless people everywhere. I'd rather be homeless in Japan than in America.

You better not be from America OP

There's definitely been an increase in hobos in recent animes, there was even one in a VN with sena's dad in chaos;head. I dunno what would be causing it though, maybe hikkis finally running out of cash.

America: Homeless people beg, sell scrap metal and whore themselves out

Japan: Homeless people sell scrap metal and whore themselves out

>>1633887
Finland actually :)

Why?

>>1633891
hey i know a guy from tampere

>>1633885

I'd live in that for an authentic STALKER experience.

>>1633885
Crafty.

>>1633885
might not be bad as a SHTF bomb shelter... Just bury one of those in the backyard/hide it in a storage shed just in case.

When I was in Japan on foreign exchange, I had to catch a really early train one morning. There was a dude sleeping under the stairs for the overpass, and another old hobo comes and yells the equivalent of, "HEY! ASSHOLE! YOU TOOK MY SPOT!" and kicks the dude in the ass, then in the dick when he rolls over. The dude who got kicked then gets up, despite having taken a direct hit to the family jewels, and they proceed to have a fistfight on the platform. Shit was epic.

>>1633885
HOW DO I GET ME ONE OF THOSE?

>>1633929
It's called talent brah

>>1633921
We all know hobos are there for the sole purpose of giving us the entertainment of fighting eachother in front of us superior people.

>>1633872
You know what most Homeless people are either crazy or they were business men who lost all their money, or some of them are kids who ran away from home.

>>1633891
Bullshit. This is a classic corean troll.

>>1633891

Because it's a culture thing. I also came from a country with little to no homeless people in the sense that Japan has them and it was really surprising for me to see one.

I saw one freezing to death in the snow with no shirt on and everyone walking past and I was like what the hell, humanity is fucked up. According to my american pals it wasn't a shock to them though because it's just as bad in some cities over there it seems.

As for reasons for homeless people in Japan it's pretty simple; the bubble burst in the 90s and the lost decade. Japan enjoyed almost zero unemployment until then and had little provisions to deal with rapid unemployment. Those who had no family to rely on turned into these guys.

>>1633970

I saw something on the news tonight about how they're going around rounding up the homeless and taking them to shelters and churches and shit because it's below freezing tonight. Apparently this is a new thing and they plan on doing it whenever it's too cold from now on. Personally I would like them to swing by my landlord's place and ask him why the heat only comes on when it's NOT cold, because I can't feel my hands right now.

>>1633990
Put some gloves on, ya sissy.

>>1633970

When I went down to DC I was amazed at how many homeless people there are. It's the capital of the greatest country in the world and there's bums everywhere. It was like a bad joke.

in before amerikkka hate

>>1633999
>the greatest country in the world

Reminder that till this day there is no state welfare system in Japan. You can get what is known as unemployment insurance, something that very little people had before the bubble burst thinking that they were set for life in their lifelong white collar employment.

Your company takes care of your pension and there is no state funded pension that I know of. Corporate loyality was and still is a big thing, you dedicate yourself to your company and your company takes care of you. And they really did take care of you, one of my old professors used to tell me that when she worked over there before the lost decade she used to get a 700,000yen bonus at the end of each year, in addition to normal pay. Big ass bonus just like that.

>>1633999

I keep on hearing how bad the DC metro areas are. Keep on hearing bad things about Baltimore too.

Am I the only one who thinks OP hobo is fucking sexy?

>>1634023
>am i the only one pretending to be a girl?

>>1634023
He has a kind of samurai appeal.

>>1634023

No, we've long admired him. Japan has the best homeless men.

Homeless people in Japan are pretty badly treated by basically everyone.

They are always "cracking down" on homeless people, forcing them to move on etc.

Japanese people aren't very charitable either

>>1634022

cont.

Traditionally in regards to welfare Japanese people are meant to depend on their family. The Family unit is very tight knit, obligations of care extend all throughout the life of a individual. The fact that something like the family register exists is proof of the dependence they have on the family as a society.

Obviously this doesn't come before financial circumstances, people who belong to poor families don't have this safety net and broken families however rare they are still are also at risk of becoming homeless.

Someone mentioned hikkis as turning homeless but you need to consider that hikkis don't really exist in low income families. They can't get to the stage of complete withdrawl without someone supporting them and if their parents have started to support someone who has withdrawn then they're not likely to stop. You might see significant populations of these people hitting the streets when their parents die but it's still a rather young generation it's not where near as imminent of a problem as the boomers hitting retirement.

Basically the reason behind all of this is that in post-bubble japan poor people exist.

>>1634051

How is that any different from America? At least they probably have less teenagers beating them to death with baseball bats and setting them on fire in subway stations. I know they still have some, but less.

>>1634065
>How is that any different from America?
Soup kitchens, church relief, sally army, hostels, free clinics, education programs etc. etc. etc.

vs.

Nothing. Not even change from passers by.

>less
probably more actually

>>1634074

I dunno, it seems to happen a fucking lot over here. And I've never heard of the Japs setting them on fire.

>>1634084
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20010730a7.html
http://archive.japantoday.com/jp/news/414332
http://archive.japantoday.com/jp/news/408568
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn19980213a2.html

>>1634074

They were sneaking back into the subway stations when I was there and I gave them some change, knowing that there would be a crackdown soon and they will all be kicked out again.

They approach foreign tourists because they know they're not accustomed to ignoring them as much as the locals. Don't know how other people feel about you giving them money but fuck them, they're humans too.

Japanese homeless people are hilarious

They also smell really, really, really bad

>>1634116

Good way to surprise a homeless person is to speak Japanese when they come up to you and start making funny signs with their fingers to communicate.

One of the ones that came up to me had fingernails like 3 inches long and they were a dark yellow, pretty gross.

During the last economical depression in Japan shit went down pretty badly and lot of people became homeless.

Japanese people are not too charitable for bums but the real problem is that japanese political system is pretty conservative, left-behind, some might say corrupt. The point is that system tends to completely ignore issues. And when obsolute poverty gets ignored the results are what they are today.

Don't forget how cruel and heartless Japanese society is. Pre-WW2, Japan was way worse than the shittiest parts of china today

>>1634142

You best be trolling son

>>1634084
Not being reported != doesn't occur.

since i'm about to go to bed, i'll go ahead and point out this thread was inspired by a post in the earlier tit thread which stated that all a troll needs to do is find a picture of something and then ask "why is japan so ______ ?".

Japan suffers from a severe lack of a liberal media to keep the right wing autocrats in their place

sage

>>1634179

Japan really lacks any sort of inquisitive media to keep the political process relevant. No one really cares, they're too apathetic to these things.

>>1634200
The media is directly connected to the government who tells them what to report more of less. The actual workers in the government are all right wing assholes who could care less about the poor and homeless. "It's their own fault after all" is what a Japanese would tell you.

>>1634231
well, they're right.

>>1634241
-10/10

>>1634259
lol

>>1634065
Clearly somebody hasn't seen Memories of Matsuko.

More importantly, why are the homeless the only ones capable of growing facial hair?

>>1634294
i'll see your movie nobody cares about and raise you nhk.

>>1634302
Because not only is facial hair awesome and manly, it also makes you unemployable in Japan

Japanese hobos aren't mentally handicapped like a lot of their American counterparts, they're actually educated and work in groups etc...

A hard hitting thread about Japan in /jp/ that gets saged. Only on 4chan will a thread relevant to the boards topic get pushed away.

>>1634351
Only on 4chan are the threads most relevant to the boards topic troll threads.

>>1634231

I don't think very many people would actually think this. The entire political process is very slow to cultural change and Japanese people aren't nearly as active enough politically to force a change of culture in the LDP or even do the unthinkable and vote in another party.

It's hard to generalize this as a tendency to sweep problems under the carpet. That is certainly true with the political process but I really think that the individual does care when they see a homeless person. Only the fact that no one else does anything compels them to follow, helping homeless people is really seen as being disruptive especially when these people are squatting in JR stations.

>>1634351
I know what you're trying to say, but that's not how sage works, it doesn't actually lower or push away a thread.

>>1634351

If you think Japan is related to /jp/ you clearly don't belong. Go back where you came from.

This thread was conceived as a troll anyway. And why are you crying about sages when it's on the front page and being discussed? God, you probably think sage does something too. Cry when a good thread falls to page 10 with no responses.

>>1634367
Still doesn't change the fact that it can turn into a genuine thread about a serious problem, rather than trying to sweep it under the rug.

>>1634369
So basically they're all waiting for someone else to take the first step, meaning that no one will ever do anything?

>>1634380

Hell even interacting with homeless people.

Do you see that guy with a missing leg on the street? Do you see anyone else paying attention to him? You know what that means? It means that you don't pay attention to him or you're going to be that guy, that guy who stands out in the most populous city in the world simply because he's doing something that people rarely do.

Tokyo people are allergic as fuck to standing out in a crowd.

>>1634395
Fuck, everyone acts like that in America too. Probably in every well-to-do country.

>>1634388

So that would be /b/ then. It wasn't in all lowercase so I was giving the benefit of the doubt and thinking maybe someplace like /po/ or /toy/.

Has nobody else noticed that OP pic is a rather famous Korean photograph?

Hey we give money to the local Homeless Shelter. It gets those hobos cleaned up and fed.

Hobo End.

>>1633885

I fucking want one of those. I'm paying out the ass for an efficiency, and I love sleeping in small spaces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcG3-o79CxA

>>1634380
>If you think Japan is related to /jp/ you clearly don't belong

>/jp/ - Japan/General
>1. All things Japanese welcome!

still nothing compared to the homeless population in the US

/r/ homeless loli eating out of a trashcan

>>1634627

>>1634633
faggot

>>1634633
go back to #/a/

>>1634633

Someone using awesome is a sure way to tell if they're a cancerous faggot.

The rental money of the residence in Japan is very expensive. For example, if an apartment is borrowed in Tokyo, if cheap, 600 dollars, normal 800 dollars are usually required per month.
Therefore, if money on hand decreases for a certain reason, a dwelling will be lost first.
They can choose only the occupation which accepts a no permanent place of residence person.
Moreover, if a dwelling is lost, it will become difficult to keep the body clean. Since Japan is humid, frequent bathing is indispensable. It becomes difficult to get a job, when the body cannot be kept clean.
As a result, the human being who lost the address puts the body on inferior labor conditions, or ceases to work at all. Since a climate condition of Japan is not going too hard, survival of man is possible if they get a meal.
The Japanese homeless live on the minimum labor which can get a meal.

Two or more ways the Japanese homeless escape from the circumstances exist. One is depending on parents. In many cases, parents are doing the rich life rural areas. Another is working at the factory of Toyota half a year. The factory has a free dormitory and a free meal.
Since much at a low price Manpower Training Program by the government exists, it is easy to take up a good job. However, many of homeless do not think that they will work again. Since a Japanese corporate culture has a very large stress, they never think that they will bear it.

Japanese function as part of a group. If they lose their connection to their employment group it is all over for them as far as they are concerned. The high cost of living makes getting back to where they once were impossible. You have to remember it is possible to starve to death in much of Asia as no one really gives a shit. This is true in Japan too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/asia/12japan.html?n=Top/News/World/Countries%20and%20Territo
ries/Japan

>>1634734
Very interesting, Thanks Anon.

If you lose your job you lose your face.

How many people let go are told they are not needed due to bad economic times? I am guessing knowing how greedy some people are instead they just fired on trumped up bullshit so they will not get employment and the Bosses get to keep the money.

As for Germany, I'll never understand homeless.

The city you live in has basically to give you a home to live in, which in these times means you get money for a flat, since in many places homeless-homes have been closed down.
Additionally they have to give you 5 Euro a day.
That means, everyone has the chance to restart from 0.

Shouldn't every civilized country handle it like that?

>>1634801
How much tax do you pay? Do you think this is something free? You think it doesn't cost quite a bit?

I don't want to pay 54% tax and also mandatory health insurance so I can be like "Europe."

>>1634834
54%? Where have you drawn that number from?

I don't know how it is handled in the US, but it works like this:
low income -> low % tax (~15%)
.
.
.
high income -> high % tax
The top rate is at 42% (EUR250.000+ 45%)

That looks like much at first look, but in the end it comes down to far less, since there are many ways to exempt money from tax.
Still, it costs quite a bit, but it's worth it.

>>1634834
>I don't want to pay 54% tax and also mandatory health insurance so I can be like "Europe."
Speaking as someone who actually needs health insurance, I'd like this so-called "socialized medicine". I can't even get coverage for my fucking hearing aids to help my disability because no insurance company wants to pay the $5k for it, and those that do tell me "well it's a pre-existing condition, so we won't cover it anyway." OF COURSE IT'S A FUCKING PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, I WAS BORN WITH IT.

>>1634866
Move to Canada and tell me how that works out. All I know is "socialized medicine" killed a friend who was told they couldn't afford her required Liver operation in the UK. They gave her pain pills and sent her away she eventually died.

You will not get hearing aids from the government unless you can prove you need them for a job and you qualify as disabled under the ADA. Just start saving for them.

>>1634889
Never said the UK does it right, just that it's not an EVIL HORRIBLE COMMUNIST thing like all the faggot conservatives think.

And no, even those who need them for a job or qualify as disabled don't get hearing aids for free. It just doesn't happen IN AMERICA.

>>1634866
Insurance is not a charity, it's a wager. Covering a pre-existing condition would be making a bet on a horse guaranteed to lose.

Australia reporting in. I pay about 12% tax in wages by the end of the fiscal year and everyone pays 10% tax on all goods and services. This funds free health care and even free medication depending on your income level, a welfare system which covers unemployment/study/rental assistance and depending on the state you live in it can even help fund public transport.

Our tax levels are supposed to be higher then most European countries though we've had tax cuts lately so I'm not sure. We also pay little tax on fuel, most states it's only 10c a litre.

This sort of system is entirely possible when you don't spend $600b a year on maintaining a military.

>>1634866
Hey I don't want ot pay for your hearing aids either.

I have a valid disability determined by the state of California . I qualify of $0.00 from the Federal government or California. If I wasn't white I would get money for my disability. I am lucky my family supports me or I would be homeless too.

>>1634893
There's this thing called "right to life" that insurance often fails to provide, though, and that's why your point of view is stupid. Healthcare is not supposed to be something people wager money on, it's supposed to be something that's provided as a basic right to all citizens to strengthen a country.

>>1634898
It's also possible if you don't have any population ISM.

>>1634889
Aren't there hospitals that could?
You can afford extras, or the government should at least pay the airline ticket to a country where you can afford but then they'd also need to hammer out procedures in case of operating death.

>>1634901
Where do you get this "right" to a life provided by the government from? It's not in the Constitution or Bill or Rights.

>>1634899
I can sympathize, but look at it this way. When something happens to you and the Joe Schmoe next door says "well, I don't want to pay for YOUR medical bills" you'd see the problem. Sure, you may not ever end up in such a situation, but you can't pretend your life will be comfortable and carefree forever.

And yeah, I'm disabled. In most civilized areas of the world, the government helps you overcome that. Only in America do they laugh at the cripples and say "Are you going to be paying for this with cash or credit?"

>>1634898
>10c a litre

I almost choked when I misread that.

>>1634909
Yeah, it's actually a thing governments provide in the real world, you see. If you didn't know that a government is required to protect the lives of its citizens, I'd recommend you hit the books harder.

>>1634908
Socialized Health Care is rationed health care. People die all the time being told there is nothing that can be done for them when it is a matter of paying for it in reality.

>>1634898
>This sort of system is entirely possible when you don't spend $600b a year on maintaining a military.
The problem with the Bush administration.

>>1634914
Don't change the subject. Where is this right written down? Where is the written the government owes you a living?

>>1634925
Hit the fucking books harder, you retard. "Hurr governments don't have to save citizen's lives!" What? If you don't know of it, do your own fucking research. It's out there and it's not hard to find.

>>1634909
The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ring a bell?

>>1634933
Won't you name even one source? One political philosopher?

>>1634925

*whisper*

Psst, there are more organised governments in the world then the United States.

Shocking I know.

>>1634925
Why the fuck do you think murder is punishable? Why do you think doctors have to swear to protect life to get their license? There's nothing specifically written into a US document, but it's a recognized basic principle of all civilized government, and has been agreed upon by the world.

>>1633999
>>the greatest country in the world

Can someone please tell me why Americans actually believe this?

I'm British, but I don't hate Americans. I just don't see what makes America the "greatest country in the world".

>>1634941
Where does it say that the US government is responsible for providing any of that?

HEY GUYS I FOUND A MAP OF ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD THAT ARE GOING BROKE RIGHT NOW.

OH WAIT SORRY THAT MAP FORGOT ONE

>>1634950
They don't need to point it out. It's self-evident.

>>1634925

Right to life, he said. Not the right to "a living."

You know, right to life. That thing those crazy conservatives are always yelling about outside those abortion clinics they plan on blowing up.

>>1634947
It not agreed on here. The Government doesn't owe you a living.

>>1634950
You're being extremely retarded. The documents don't write down the goals of every law, they just write down the fucking laws. Therefore, the "purpose" of the government can't be found anywhere. So, you're right. It's not written anywhere what the American government and its laws exist for. Therefore it must exist for no reason whatsoever, by your logic.

Stop being retarded.

>>1634910
In China India and Japan they will not do anything for you. China and India make up MOST OF THE WORLDS POPULATION.

>>1634961
Where does it say the Government owes you a living? You keep avoiding the question.

>>1634958
The American government exists to help realize the American dream, right? That's my evidence. You asked for evidence, and I fucking gave it to you. Beggars can't be choosers, it's evidence, I'm right.

>>1634957
And if I don't have any food I will eventually die. That's like saying, "sure you have a right to live, you'll just have to deal with a gaping knife wound. I'm sure you can patch it up yourself, right?"

>>1634969
That's why federally funded homeless shelters exist - to feed the hungry. That's why hospitals treat you first, and worry about payment later. Right to be alive.

>>1634962
This is why I DON'T FUCKING MOVE TO THOSE COUNTRIES. "Hurr you shouldn't expect this in your country because X backwater country doesn't have it!" You're stupid.

>>1634891
In California you would get the Hearing Aids under State Disability once you qualified and they if had the money.

>>1634978
But they don't, and yes I live in CA.

If you believe that the right to exist is defined by what people wrote down a few hundred years ago in some british colony you are very narrow minded.

It is stupid that not only does the most powerful nation not protect it's citizens from their own ill heath, the people that suffer from this mismanagement actually defend it.

>>1634967
You haven't answered anything because you can't. There is no right to government funded living under US law.

>>1634966

Nobody said a living. Life, not a living. I can't tell if you're illiterate or just really love that straw man you keep pounding.

>>1634966
Did I ever fucking say the government owes you a "living"? No, once again, stop being a fucking retard.

>>1634979
Then you are lying as I am on State Disability and that stuff is covered if you need it to go to work.

You mean you and your parents make too much money to qualify which means you actually can afford them yourself.

>>1634982
I can't because the government doesn't write abstract "the citizen has a right to X" in any document, they write laws that achieve that. Now, if you looked over the laws, you'd see you're being rather stubbornly stupid.

>>1634981
Too bad that has nothing to do with the real world. If you don't like it don't post on 4chan it's based its based in the USA you know.

>>1634953
What, North Korea doesn't have universal heathcare?!

>>1634982
The Declaration of Independence is a legal document.

You have no right to government provided "welfare" "food" "shelter" or anything else. Get over it. If you don't like it too fucking bad. It's just like many countries where you don't have a right to any of that either.

>>1634992

The "Real World" is one where many countries have universal health >>1634953

How does it feel to have less entiltement to health care then Brazil?

Also hurf durf THIS IS ARE COUNTRY

>>1634989
No you are bing a child. You can't stand to have facts and reality shoved in your face.

>>1635000
They are countries where the government can perform summary executions without proof. What's your point?

>>1635006
That you are a moron.

>>1635003
So? It is not a right here.

>>1634988
No, I was told by a person that does Medi-Cal paperwork that it wasn't likely they'd give me hearing aids even though I qualify, because funding is low right now and my hearing loss, while enough to be a disability, isn't "that" severe. And my parents barely make enough for rent, but I'm no longer their dependent and I make ~$800/month. I'd qualify for Medi-Cal, but they're being dicks about it.

>>1635007

Why do you defend that given that you can only gain from it?

>>1635004
You haven't once given me a "fact," you've just reiterated over and over "GIVE ME PROOF OF SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUS!" The reality agrees with me, the government provides its citizens with the right to life.

>>1634988

I dunno, I wouldn't be so sure. I don't know shit about health care and disability in California, but just because you qualify for something doesn't mean the government will ever give it to you. My father, a disabled Vietnam veteran, never got SSDI despite qualifying six ways to Sunday. Even after the fucking autopsy which proved everything they could possibly need I'd have to get a lawyer and go to court if I ever want to see a single cent of all those back payments.

I'm not saying his parents don't make too much or anything, I'm just saying that you don't always get something just because you qualify for it. Sometimes you have to fight for it, and sometimes that's not enough either.

>>1635014
Perhaps he won't only gain from it. Perhaps be wants to spend his money on porn and vidya instead of other people's hearing aids. Perhaps he realises that when the heath of everybody is the responsibility of everybody, it's also the concern of everybody. Eventually leading to/supporting existing laws against drugs, shitty delicious shitty food, smoking, etc. and perhaps he likes those things.

WHY ARE YOU BENT OVER IN PAIN CHILD, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? LOOK, I HAVE TO PAY MY MEDICAL INSURANCE, I HAVE TO WORK MY 9-5 JOB WHY CAN'T YOU?

DON'T GIVE ME THAT LOOK, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK, DON'T TELL ME THAT WE AREN'T BORN INTO THE WORLD EQUAL. YOU MUST HAVE JUST MADE SOME BAD DECISIONS ALONG THE WAY. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT THAT YOU CAUGHT MALARIA, IF YOU REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO CATCH IT YOU WOULD HAVE PULL UP YOUR BOOTSTRAPS AND EARNED SOME MOSQUITO NETS UNDER THE PERFECT GUIDING HAND OF THE FREE MARKET.

NONE OF MY FOREFATHERS SAID THAT YOU WERE ENTILTED TO LIVE AT MY EXPENSE, TOUGH TITTIES LITTLE MAN.

>>1635028

Hey, I'm only paying so Americans can not die, fuck Africa. God damned savages.

>>1635030
They get to fuck lolis in Africa though, so it can't be that bad.

>>1635011
You have top fight for every penny out of MediCal I am guessing you are single and white too. Their standard thing is to turn you down repeatedly. That is how ALL socialized health care works but just on a bigger scale if it's simple and cheap to deal with no problem. If it costs money they jack you around to keep costs down. Private insurance does the same thing.

Apply to the California Department of Rehabilitation. Don't let them jerk you around. Get hooked up with them and persist until you get your hearing issue dealt with.

>>1635028
Fuck you. If you are bothered by that shit YOU do something about it. Stay the fuck out of my face and my space.

>>1635034

But they're not human. I could fuck a "loli" too if I went for animals. I have a kitten right here. I love it well enough, but I don't have much desire to rape it. Monkeys aren't any more sexually desirable than cats.

>>1635030

There are people in the US who are as poor and unfortunate as the child pictured.

>>1635037
>I am guessing you are single and white too.
Spot on. Also a pedophile, so I'm not going to be fixing that single "problem" any time soon. DOR eh? How many fucking hoops will I have to jump through before they finally give in (assuming they will)?

>>1635045

>>1635042

STAY OUT OF MY FACE MAN DON'T MAKE ME THINK OF REALITY. FUCK YOU I GOT MINE.

>>1635014
Why do you expect me to pay for that for someone else? This fucking country can't even provide me with a living wage job but you want to take what little I have and give it to some welfare rats? Fuck you.

>>1635046
You have ass cancer too.

>>1635047
Many hoops. Many. They will try and jerk you around from the get go. Money is an issue. You could get put on a list.

>>1635054
Yay this is going to be fun!

I should just keep working on developing my ability to read lips.

>>1635051
Just be glad you have a job.

>>1635050
Yes I do and niggers in Africa isn't part of it. You want to save the world go for it. All it will get you is the world's hate and scorn.

>>1635058
I don't so fuck you.

>>1635051

If you consider the fact (which has already been posted) that the US spends $600b on it's military alone, it is very possible to provide free health care to low income earners like yourself at no extra cost in taxes.

>>1635055

Fight the good fight, bro. Don't let the government fuck you. This thread has inspired me to go after the disability they owe my father. I'll look around on the internet and see what I can do without having to get a lawyer.

>>1635055
Yes you should but they are responsible for helping you once you get in their program too.

>>1635060
Then you aren't paying any taxes, except sales tax, and that's too minor to care about anyway.

>>1635062
That is all borrowed money. Any "surplus" should be spent paying back the people it's borrowed from FIRST. Fuck being a debtor nation.

Look at this shit, look at that margin of difference. You can keep your borders safe while still freeing up more then enough for some sort of universal health care program.

>>1635058
What Uncle Sam tells you:
>Just be glad you have a job.
What Europa tells you:
>Take the job, if you can make a living from it.

>>1635066
The people who are supporting me, my family are paying plenty in taxes. Raising them is bullshit. We are living on a School Teachers income.

>>1635069
Fact Eurofag. There is no job for me. No one will hire me and pay me a living wage.

Well this thread derailed down /b/-avenue

>>1635068

Also this is an outdated chart the military spending per annum has increased since then by hundreds of billions more.

Jesus how can you defend this sort of money allocation. Aren't you people in the lowest income tiers pissed that your elected representatives feel that satisfying military contractors and fighting unpopular wars is more important then you?