/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>16308542
moko pls go

>>16308542
I thought the Moko fad died out by now.

>>16308542
I liked that you seem to appreciate the PC98 characters, but you put Kaguya dead last. Shame, we could have been friends

>>16308613
But she is not dead last.
She's only tied with Eirin that is dead last.

Every man deserves a Mokou in his top 10.

Kokoro should have been first, but oh well

Ain't nobody got time to sort through all these 2hus so I'll give my top 3:

-Aya (waifu)
-Sanae
-Tenshi

we need UFOs in the sort desu
they'd be in my top 10

>>16309083
Fuck it, I'll do the same.
3. Cirno
2. Shinmyoumaru
1. Kogasa
I'll get around to a full sort someday, after I finish all of the games and print works.

Might as well rate yours while I'm at it. Sanae is pretty cool. Don't really like Aya or Tenshi that much, but Tenshi's design is one of my favorites.

>>16308542
>Kaguya and Eirin dead last
>Mokou in first place
Only redeeming quality is having Yuuka high
3/10
>>16308579
Solid 7/10
>>16308628
What's up with all the Mokoufags popping up all of sudden, she's a meme character
>Eirin, Iku, Parsee and Raiko so criminally low
You're my worst enemy
>>16309083
Iku>Tenko
>>16309157
6/10

kuso thread

>>16309218
>What's up with all the Mokoufags popping up all of sudden, she's a meme character
No she isn't.

She's been around for a while and cool for a while, she's had fans since long before China Mokou.

Help

Done.
I have no idea how Yukari ended in 55.
I expected her to be in the top 25, I probably tied her too much with other characters.

>>16308542

>>16308542
>mfw everytime I take the quiz I end up with more ties than actual list
I'm too indecisive with that fuckin tie button

>>16309218
>>16308613
>>16308568
>>16308555
These posts have encouraged me to lurk more about Kaguya. I analised her character, memes, personality, relationships and refrences.
She's actually very good!
Here is my current list.

>>16310883

Great list anon, especially Mokou as first and Renko and Maribel as 7./8.

>>16310962
Renko and Maribel are amazing. They are going to be around number 3 when I finish CD stories.

>>16308542
That's a lot of 2hus to sort, too lazy lol

>>16310975
Posting your top 10 is probably ok.

めっり クリスマッス みんあ wwwwww いちばんる スキーよく

I'm sure my tastes are upsetting to most.

Picking anything but Mima what a bunch of animals

>>16311065
6/10 mix between secondary and normal taste
really good
>>16311070
8/10 wonderful taste
your top 10 is amazing

>>16311080

Thank you anon, though I never realised I hated Mamizou that much.

It's going to look a bit tight

Webmaster, if you're lurking, can you make it so there's a way to choose how many character images to display midway, or after the sorting? I feel bad for Aya and Rin.

If you don't have parsee on top 5, you're just too jealous of her cuteness

>>16311470
>Seiga
>Yuuka
>Pasee
>Mokou
>Kaguya
Best taste I have seen all day 9/10
It's a shame that you dislike Seija ad Byakuren, but I can forgive you.

>>16309526
>implying
Byakuren a shit, mate.

>>16311167
This would be very nice.

>>16309887
You sure like troublemakers.

That's cool.

>>16311167
>>16310883
>>16309843
Best taste in the thread.

>>16311550
I ain't gonna lie, this is pretty shit
4/10
>>16311539
This is ok, 5/10

>>16311556
Sorry I didn't impress you, anon. I'll try to do better in the future.

>>16311562
That's the spirit

>>16308579
Tried it again.

Things have shifted in six months.

Mine from a few months ago. It tends to not change much.

Im pretty sure im filtering non-girls.

Never did this to be honest.

>>16312035
It shows.

>>16311156
>>16312035
What's so interesting about that irrelevant mid-boss?

>>16312267
Design.
Only.

>>16312276
I hope you're talking about her canon design then

>>16312267
Personally I like all touhous besides mamizou but it is just that i like her more. Actually I liked how is she described on her oficial profile.

>>16312289
Why does nobody like Mamizou ;-;

>>16312297
Im sorry if you like her, actually i dont really know too, it is just that i dont like her.

It's Christmas, so no time to go through the process again. Tastes haven't changed, though!

>>16312297
>Dull design
>Shit """"personality""""
>Shoved in everywhere when there are hundreds of better characters that could be used instead of her
>Dull design
>Le "I'm a mastermind prankter know-it-all" schtick got old insanely fast
>Dull design

Worst of all is that they will probably keep shoving her everywhere because it's ZUN's wife self insert or whatever, you know a character is utter garbage and disliked when you give them a fucking office lady costume and it produces little to no fanart, so embarrassing

>>16312378
These arguments actually seem pretty reasonable, thanks.

>>16312378
Who are you quoting?

>>16312297
I like her more than Sumireko. But that doesn't account for much, does it?

>>16312416
Ok so now why people dislike Sumireko? ;-;

>>16312443
Dull
adjective UK ​ /dʌl/ US ​ /dʌl/
dull adjective (BORING)

B1 not interesting or exciting in any way:
Sumireko from Touhou Project

>>16312443
She looks like a walfas self-insert OC mary sue

>>16312443
Shitty "modern character plopped into the setting" self-insert-bait with a godawful personality to boot.

>>16309218
Fuck off, mate. My top 3 (Reimu, Mokou, Akyuu) has been consistent since 2007.
>meme meme meme
I don't give a fuck. If you've got an issue with me liking Mokou, take an issue with me liking Mokou. Memes are a poor scapegoat.

>>16312805
When I said that will happen to Mokou the same as Momiji I wasn't wrong.

Mokou is a pretty nice character.

>>16312987
>Mokou
>Momiji-tier
Mokou has one fucking meme and it's not even that big.

>>16312996
>one meme
Trapdoor Mokou, Chinese Mokou and MOKOTAN'S COMING IN off the top of my head.

>>16313015
These 2 small memes are not enough to call Mokou a meme character, retard.
Also fuck off, people can appreciate a character for something more than just memes.

>>16313015
Don't forget that Tasfro literally made fan art Mokou official, she's a joke character by now just like Cirno.

>>16313027
t. butthurt Mokofag

I feel bad for you, picking the wrong side

>>16313027
I'm the guy with Mokou as his #2, actually. Just correcting a misconception.

>>16313015
>MOKOTAN'S COMING IN

>>16313081
Newblood, get ye gone

>>16313090
Sorry, I never cared much for Mokou even though i enjoy MoKeine doujins

R8 my impecable taste.

r8 my taste

>>16313444
>top 5
>suwako
>mamizou
>nitori
>elis
>eiki
>kaguya
>eirin is worse than ringo
>reimu is last
>got trips
I cannot rate this, too godlike to me

>>16313444
>>16313456

So Mokou has gotten a lot more memes, Tasfro has treated her like her fan art interpretation and she also got the most forced official pairing.

And now many /jp/'s like her. I thought you guys hated secondary trash?

>>16313499
And yet she's still incredibly unknown and not popular at all.

Also I've always liked her you insufferable bottom feeding spineless shit tasted fag.

>>16313499
Mokou was always secondary trash tho

>>16313516
I like my waifu a lot too anon, but you don't need to use 12-yo tier insults

>>16313522
I enjoy being angry so let me be angry. Mokou is fantastic, she's not overly popular but not so unknown that you have little material on her.

Best taste comeing through.

Make way pleps

>>16313499
>oh no!!! le now popular character!!! secondary trash hahaha i'm such a primary XD
How about you drop your pathetic elitism complex? I liked Mokou before and I'll keep liking her, I don't give a fuck about your memes.

>>16313266
>soft ghost as one
besides soft ghost it's pretty shit

>>16313602
Uh, thanks I guess.

>>16313266
This one reeks of Hentai doujin-only

>>16313597
Very good top 10 man.

I don't think my taste has changed much so I'll just post this one again.

>>16313499
Hey, it's the samefagger. I guess you're also an autistic elitist, huh?

>>16313660
worst list of the thread

>>16313660
it's shit

Rate my shitty top 10
Major power gap between 8 and 9

>>16313681
>Aya #1
Excellent taste mein bruder

>>16313681
8/10

Good list

>>16313694
thumbnail/10

>>16313660
Jesus christ that's awful.
The more I read the worse it gets.

My taste is the same as always: the best.

Also, I've added a result table image generator to the site, for those unfortunate people who are too lazy to crop the result table in Paint. For some reason it only works properly for Firefox, I'm still attempting to debug it in Chrome. Any help in ratting out this bug would be very much appreciated!

>>16313668
>>16313675
>>16313761
It's the best, I know.

As a side note, do we know if the person maintaining the sorter plans to change the alphes-styled art to baba's Harukawa-styled art? (pic related) I mean obviously not right now because he hasn't made a picture for everyone yet, but he's very far along.

Tokiko has way too high a rank, though that might be since I kept voting over her touhous I dislike. I think the Yakumos could be a tad higher.I just feel neutral about most of them and spam the tie button. The top and bottoms ones are fairly accurate though.
>>16309420
This. I really used to love the character years before bootleg Mokou. Has this been last decade, she would reach the top 10 easily.

>>16313844
I'll decide whether to do so when all the characters are done. Will most likely just offer it as an option, though.

>>16313859
wait is it really you

>>16308568
>>16308555
>>16309218
Mokou has always been popular and generally placed rather well in the overall popularity polls. She was also playable in a recent game.

I'm sorry you think she's a meme character with no real backstory or characterization but she isn't and has had fans long before whatever meme you're mad about.

>>16313896
... I don't see any reason to impersonate me? If you're really skeptical, this trip should be in the source for the site.

>>16313266
I disagree with some ones, but it is pretty nice.

7/10

>>16313681
I dont know but i find it weird, 8/10 though.

i didn't expect to like yuugi this much
>>16313694
>reimu and yuugi that high
good taste
>>16311777
kogasa, reisen and youmu are good, not very fond of mononobe or seija though
>>16311550
wow, nigga, you really love mima, huh?
>>16311167
>marisa at #1
BEST TASTE

>>16313660
I'm indifferent about most of them, but Rika's pretty fantastic.

Also, I have no clue about how accurate this is after Yuuka.

>>16312312
Top Slut/10

>>16313912
Could you make it to display characters portraits up to top 10 I wonder?

>>16315358
That's a lot of characters. But yeah, I could, I suppose, now that screenshot generation is available and screen height is no longer a limiter. Done and done.

>>16315382
woah that sure was fast, ty

>>16312267
I have a thing for red eyes, if you haven't noticed with that top 5

>>16315467
There are much better 2hus with red eyes than fucking momiji

Stuff like this is what keeps me from doing these charts

>>16315824
Well you sometimes need to close your eyes and pick the least shitty character

>>16315824
In this situation, what you need to do is pick with your dick.

>>16315889
Alright Suika then

That took a while, 2 cups of tea plus chocolate pudding, candy and a pepsi can weren't enough

>>16315645
nothing can surpass memeji https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLkZY8GjdRw

That took a while, 2 cups of tea plus chocolate pudding, candy and a pepsi can weren't enough
>>16313266
>impecable taste
Indeed
>>16312312
>Clownpiece and Hecatia that low
-999/10
>>16311896
This one is pretty ok
>>16311777
Solid 7/10
>>16309038
Eirin on top? Fine taste anon
>>16309157
>>16309218
8/10
>>16309221
Blonde/10
Which means you have good taste

How's my taste?

I really do hate Tenshi that much, and literally nothing will convince me that she's anything other than pure shit.

>>16316321
But why is she pure shit?

>>16316321
del

>>16316374
Because SWR tainted her for me permanently.

>>16315096
>but Rika's pretty fantastic.
Boy, do I agree with you. She's the single PC-98hu I want to see return the most out of all of them.

>>16313859
I see. Thanks for answering.

>>16316411
>>16308542
>>16315096
>>16313660
>Rika
Thank god not everybody forgot her

>>16316321
>hating a mainline character with actual story development more than a bunch of PC-98 characters that I can guaranteed you never played the games of
Are you 11?

>>16316433
I can assure you, I've played the PC-98 games.
But I'm not too sure how I can prove to you that I have done so. Would this image do?

>>16316444
>Translated

>>16316321
Why the fuck would you put Marisa at 34 and PC-98 Marisa at 16?

>>16316469
Sharp deduction anon, the game seems to be translated indeed, to english apparently.

>>16316529
You're using modified roms, therefore you never played the original games

>>16316539
I'm not, I have yet to play PC-98

>>16316505
That's just how the battles went, but that was a major mistake.

>>16316567
>Louise
?

It's been a while since I last did this. Nothing shifted too dramatically, but since I've played more of the games I was able to include more characters this time around.

>>16312312
Pretty good. I don't care for Kasen, but I'll concede that she's one of the more well-developed characters.

>>16308542
I share your distaste of Lunarians. I don't really get the appeal of Medicine, though.

>>16317322
>I don't really get the appeal of Medicine, though.
Ignore it. I am just a retard that looks for personality in dialogues of characters with no personality.
Also really good taste

how shit am I?
By the way, the fortune teller is LITERALLY me.

>>16317322
really bland, nothing stands out.
>>16316567
fine
>>16316321
fair
>>16316295
meh
>>16316151
fine
>>16315096
Cool as fuck, my dude.
>>16314170
no
>>16313845
nice ties

>>16317530
>fortune teller is LITERALLY me.
are you dead?

I wanna see Kaguya dabbing

>>16317596
>134. Fortune Teller
What the moonlighting fuck?

>>16309218
I don't see any reason to think Mokou is a meme character. Rather, "x is a meme character" is more likely a meme in itself. Save it for the characters that are really evidently living memes, like Neptune. Characters that have memes built around them are not meme characters. Characters that have memes built into their personalities - meme characters.

Anyway, I've already posted it before, but I'll post it again.

>>16317766
You are absolutely correct. This is something I wish more people would realize, HOWEVER. There are people that like these characters because of memes surrounding them rather than the character themself. Many people in fact. Look at clownpiece and cirno and tell me how people actually like them for them instead of just memes of them.

>>16317833
>Look at clownpiece
I like her purely because of her design and not because of muh murican fairy or whatever

>>16309218
>>16316151
Thanks for judging, dudes. I made an update since I felt like it. Won't make a new one until the new games in 2017.

>Moko
>Sanae
>Youmu
>Kasen
They are ALWAYS first place on most pleb taste lists
You fags can't be more boring even if you tried

>>16317943
Don't be an idiot. Not everyone who has those characters at the top of their sorts judge by memes or lewd potential.

>>16317766
>I don't see any reason to think Mokou is a meme character. Rather, "x is a meme character" is more likely a meme in itself.
Pretty much. Saying X or Y character is a meme is a bigger meme than X or Y character could ever be.

I mean, look at Clownpiece. She doesn't get nearly as much attention as you'd expect the so-called meme character to get.

>>16317833
I like Clownpiece for memes but enjoy Cirno for her in-game appearances and personality, especially GFW.

>>16318253
>I like Clownpiece for memes
Is there any other reason to like her?

>>16318280
Visionary Fairies

>>16318307
Why? it's literally nothing happens: The Manga

>>16318280
Her theme
Her fight
Her ass

>>16318313
You obviously don't understand what character developer is

>>16318325
>character developer

>>16318331
Yeah, character development. It exists. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's there.

>>16318340
isn't*

>>16318340
>>16318346
Please enlight us on Clownpiece's character development

>>16313499
Fuck off. I've had Mokou as my favorite for years.

She's always been moderately but not extremely popular in the polls. Usually sits around 10-15 or so. She regularly got threads on /jp/ for years. Ever consider maybe that the same people who liked her before still like her?

>>16318313
It's cute and does give some developmental background on Clownpiece and a little on Hecatia. Slow release schedule though.

>>16318359
>It's cute
Not an argument

>>16318355
There isn't many chapters to go by, but from what I learn about Clownpiece is that Hecatia sent Clownpiece to Gensokyo without any way of getting back, and Clownpiece doesn't really wanna go back either way. You learn that despite not wanting to go back she's still proud of her hellish heritage.

You can't really compare ViFS to manga like FS and WaHH because they are much further in, but for what we have right now it's pretty nice. Also, even if the situations are basically nothing, just know that nothing much happens between incidents anyway. It's a peaceful time in Gensokyo, and you're seeing how the life in Gensokyo is during these times. That has always been the point of Three Fairies of Light. It's a lighthearted and cute manga series.

>>16318381
>There isn't many chapters to go by
Oh then it's must be the most amazing example of character development in all manga

>Hecatia sent Clownpiece to Gensokyo without any way of getting back, and Clownpiece doesn't really wanna go back either way

Wow that really changed my view on the character

Thanks anon, you really showed me

>>16318355
Clownpiece is more then a meme fairy, you know. If you've read the manga, you'd know that Hecatia wants her to thrive on the surface since she feels that Clownpiece would benefit from it. She's also making some new friends she hasn't had before, via Sunny, Luna, and Star. The entire manga isn't really a serious one, anyway, so there won't be much character development. But still, it's a great portrayal of Clownpiece.

>>16318391
Alright then dick head, thanks for wasting my time

>>16318331
>the autismo elitist was shotty all along
Oh why am I not surprised. Probably because I already knew.

>>16318381
>You learn that despite not wanting to go back she's still proud of her hellish heritage.
What? She doesn't give a fuck about Hell anymore, and neither do her fellow hell fairies that assaulted the player in LoLK.

>>16318401
Go away SAmireko

>>16318363
There's no "argument" to be made here. I'm not arguing for or against Clownpiece. You asked why some people like it and that's one reason. VFiS is a cute SoL manga.

>>16318401
I said before she doesn't care to go back. That doesn't mean she isn't proud of her hellish heritage. She always talks about how hot hell is, how cold hell is, and how you wouldn't last a minute etc. She doesn't try to make it seem great (seriously though, tryna make hell sound great?) but the way she talks about it makes it seem as though she's proud of where she came from. She doesn't sound like she hates it, just avoiding it.

>>16308542
Yatsuhashi and Shizuha really seem to get the shaft in these 1 on 1 rankings.

>>16318421
Clownpiece likes her home obviously. But Hecatia wants her to stay in Gensokyo so she'll make friends and less of an autist.

>>16317766
Good list, I share your fondness for Mokou and Reisen. Not sure I can get behind your many ties but I like a lot of those characters like Shinmyoumaru too.

>>16318421
She also made a replica of Hell under the Hakurei Shrine for the three fairies to enjoy.

What's even Mokou's appeal? Didn't her autistic father kill himself while trying to get Kaguya to marry him instead of prioritizing his daughter's safety?

Here you go folks, pile on the hate

>>16318429
Really good list, 9/10

>>16318572
>>16318588
>1 Fujiwara no Mokou
NO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE MOKOU

I DON'T LIKE MOKOU THEREFORE ONLY SECONDARIES LIKE MOKOU

DELETE THIS

>>16308542
7/10
>>16308579
6/10
>>16308628
4/10
>>16309038
Tie Button/10
>>16309157
6/10
>>16309218
8/10
>>16309221
2/10
>>16309545
7/10
>>16309843
6/10
>>16309887
4/10
>>16310883
4/10
>>16311065
3/10
>>16311070
2/10
>>16311156
Good top 5 but too many ties at the end (5/10).
>>16311167
6/10
>>16311470
>parsee on top 5
Too easy. (8/10)
>>16311539
8/10
>>16311550
4/10
>>16311777
7/10
>>16311896
3/10
>>16312035
5/10
>>16312312
5/10
>>16313266
5/10
>>16313444
8/10
>>16313597
5/10
>>16313660
4/10
>>16313681
Pretty good top 10, but without knowing where you place Parsee I can't evaluate your overall taste.
>>16313694
7/10
>>16313798
4/10
>>16313845
1/10
>>16314170
2/10
>>16315096
4/10
>>16316151
4/10
>>16316295
2/10
>>16316321
4/10
>>16316567
5/10
>>16317322
4/10
>>16317530
7/10
>>16317596
0/10
>>16317766
More ties than at a bow-tie convention/10
>>16317868
3/10

>>16311556
>>16318838
I'm not too distraught about it, but due to me ( >>16311550 ) getting two 4/10s, I'm curious at what's wrong with my taste specifically. Is it because I put a joke as #1, or is it Mamizou being so high?

>>16318865
He's a Mocofag

>>16318875
But I don't have anything against Mokou, she made it in the top half of my list.

>>16318838
I like how I got a 6/10 and then a 3/10.

>>16318865
You took a big hit from mine for Parsee being at 80. Mima brought you up though.

>>16318898
Sorry, the second score is correct, not sure what happened the first time.

There's only one good taste, and it's this.

>>16318838
>4/10
Ouch
It's because of Rika, isn't it?

I'm not much one to judge others

>>16319210
Your taste is odd, but it's alright. Kaguya #3 great great

>>16319210
This one?
>>16313660
Miko, Mokou and Seija were the only ones I don't dislike in your top 10. I'm not a big fan of Kosuzu, Nitori or Kanako who floating around your top 20 either. On top of that, Parsee at 65 won't win any points with me.

please rate mine

It's hard to rate the ones toward the middle/end just because I don't have very strong opinions about them.

>>16319309
Decent top 10, Rumia aside. What's with your bottom 5 though? I figured that you just didn't like LoLK, but then I saw that you had Sagume relatively high.

Theres no way this has changed since the last time I did it so I'll just repost.

>>16319048
The absence of preference is the worst taste, bar none.

>>16319210
Hina's an unusual but solid choice. Don't really get the appeal of the Four-eared feline enough to warrant the second spot, though.

So when you do the sorter, what specifically do you sort the characters by? What criteria do you take into account when considering how much you like a character?

>>16319463
Would be a fantastic Top 10 if Sumireko wasn't there. You're alright.


Why does Reisen have a special entry for her manga incarnation? Is there more than one character named Reisen and one of them only appears in the manga? I disabled manga-only characters when I took the test.

>>16319643
If I like the characters in particular, there's a lot of things that go into it. Design, plot, character, music theme, relevance to my gameplay experience, etc. Though when it gets to the low numbers I generally just tend to vote with my dick.

>>16319697
meant to quote >>16319664

>>16319672
There is another character named Reisen, so they're completely different rabbits.

>>16319664
The gameplay first, music second. However, I won't give playable characters a free trip to top 10, so in instances where the character is playable (Reimu and Marisa), I look at how they interact with the bosses.

>>16319664
"Do I personally like this character?" "Is she relevant?" "Does she have an actual canon personality?" "How hard would I fuck her?"

>>16318838
Faggot (OP) here.
I posted 2 times the same taste.
I got 7/10 and 4/10
Excuse me?

>>16320168
SHITSUREI SHIMASU???

>>16319210
>6. Sekibanki
As much as I enjoy the chuu2 Dullahan, that's way high. What gives?

>>16319309
I don't know anon, you have Yuyu in your top 3 what makes you have awesome taste but then you come with shit like placing Clownpy and Hecatia that low.
>>16319441
This is very fine, Kogasa is great anon

I blame just waking up but I managed to not save a picture my list from this morning. First place was a three way tie between Aya, Mokou and Kasen. 4th was between Yuuka and Okuu. For some reason Sanae was dead last and I only saw her once or twice throughout the whole thing, which is weird because there are definitely characters I dislike more than her. I'll sort again to save the results later, I'd imagine they won't be much different.

>>16320522
Not him, but as someone with her at my No.2, she's a great character. Clean design, neat powers, interesting interpretation of both Western and Eastern mythology, and there are no embarassing memes to deal with .

>>16313623
How come ? I just like short hairs mang.

>>16320860
Banki has one really annoying meme.

Oh boy, I already posted in this thread. Can you guess who I am?

>>16313499
Jesus, how's it possible to be this full of shit?

I wish you'd shut up.

>>16313516
>>16313598
>>16313660
>>16318359
>>16322148
Why are all Mokoufags so aggressive and mean?

>>16322240
Right, I hope no one actually thinks like this, with secondaries calling her "secondary trash" because they don't know jack shit.

>>16322277
Do not reply to shitty bait, plese. Do not ruin our reputation.
Have a nice day

>>16322287
>I hope no one actually thinks this = taking bait
No, son.

Also "our reputation"? Everyone in that post was replying to >>16313499

>>16322287
How is that a bait? I'm curious why they are so aggressive and feel the need to be mean and use a lot of curse words.
You don't see that often from other 2hufans.

Yeah, that seems about right.

>>16319463
Very good top 10.

Too bad about Byakuren, though.

I am probably going to get shit on for having so many popular characters.

>>16322445
People usually just shit on everyone who likes popular characters just so they can feel more special.

>>16316321
That is the best taste in the thread, better even than my own.

>>16319473
So you're shitting on him for not giving you any material with which you can shit on him for?

>>16322527
He is commenting on an obvious joke one though.

>>16322445
Bretty good taste, my dude
Yuuka & the Onis are good taste, with some wonderful BBAs sprinkled in

>>16322445
There are definitely characters who are popular with many secondaries because of design or jokes that are completely fanmade, but Hell I ended up really liking characters like Reisen (bunny schoolgirl? really?), Remilia (loli vampire), and Yuuka (LOL SADIST) way MORE after playing the games and reading stuff, whereas previously I thought they were probably lame characters. Not everyone is like Momiji, who most people seem to like because "wolf girl" even though it's not actually clear if she's a "wolf" girl and what little we know about her personality makes her seem a bit like a grouchy old man.

That said, Byakuren is quite awful and the more we learn about her the more awful she seems.

>>16322713
>Byakuren is quite awful and the more we learn about her the more awful she seems.
Byakuren is canonically a really nice person.

>>16322747
No she is not. She REALLY is not.
>humans are attacked on your grounds regularly, what will you do about it?
>[absolute silence]
She's basically an enabler of bad shit, under the guise of kindness. She's a youkai, so of course, but she's even worse since she pretends she's doing the right thing when it's quite obvious her #1 concern is preserving youth, #2 promoting youkai superiority (her words say she believes in equality, her actions don't).

She also deliberately sat her ship-temple on somebody's grave rudely hoping they wouldn't wake up.

>>16322747
Byakuren puts on a veneer of kindness, but inside she is biased to the point of racism (not without a good reason, but it was her bias that led humanity to scorn her in the first place, so yeah). Read the Symposium.

>>16322868
Oh my god reasonable people, I am so glad.

>>16322713
>>16322747
>>16322754
I think that being a shitty person gives depth to her character though. She was afraid and her fear made her do a lot of bad things. Despite all the fear she never gave in to despair and was still able to make her dreams more or less come true. Though her kindness might only extend to youkai she is still capable of it and I think that says enough. Whether she genuinely cares for them or only sees them as a means to an end is debatable I guess. I will admit that I have not looked into the manga so I would not know if she was shown to be completely evil there or not.

I also like the Buddhist aesthetics and I think body enhancing magic is pretty cool but that's something else.

>>16322893
She is far from completely evil, but a hypocrite? Heck yeah. Biggest hypocrite in Gensokyo. Starting fights despite being a Buddhist (and it isn't even self defense), etc. To me, Byakuren is a person that tries to do good but is always in constant odds with her biases and desires, which is something she has always been feeding anyway. She has no hope of attaining enlightenment due to her path, and if she died she'd definitely go to hell. In a way, I would compare Byakuren to Mokou. They're kind of similar to me. I gotta think on this more.

>>16322747
She isn't really, but to me that's what makes her way more interesting than Miko

>>16322908
And ironically, that is very human of her.

>Religionfags at it again

>>16322942
And Koishi is the laywoman at the myouren temple...

>>16322713
>That said, Byakuren is quite awful and the more we learn about her the more awful she seems.

She's not quite one of my favorites, but I think she's one of the more interesting characters. I do find it puzzling that some of her fans seem to think of her as youkai-Jesus, though. It's as though Byakuren is so skilled at deceit that even people in the real world with access to all of the information still fall for her tricks.

>>16322754
>when it's quite obvious her #1 concern is preserving youth, #2 promoting youkai superiority

It's possible she's internalized her own bullshit to such an extent that she genuinely believes she's doing the right thing and promoting peace. Granted, that still doesn't make her a remotely good person, but it's a bit different from making a conscious decision to harm humanity.

>>16322942
Green Flandre a shit.

>>16322992
Who u callin' green?

What was this thread about?

Nothing outside of Windows because I haven't cared enough to bother with it. It seems to just be annoying lore shit people abuse to justify memes and irrelevant characters.

>>16323024
>It seems
Instead of reading the wiki go play games

>>16323032
Former was written material, latter was PC-98. The wiki does have jack shit for PC-98 characters so you got me there.

>>16322948
Beauty like this can blind anyone anon.

>>16323067
I see trash

It was kinda hard to pick between some characters because I either don't care enough for them or I like them almost the same.

>>16323139
Having Star up there indicates exquisite taste.

>>16323139
You are a good person

>>16323139
Having fairies up there indicates shit taste

>>16323139
Why is Star so high up, out of curiosity?

>>16309218
I-I won't bully you!

>>16322879
Meanwhile Miko is not only true to her proclaimed religion, she's also an excellent politician. As can also be seen in Symposium.

Byakushit fans really need to absorb their supplementary material.

>>16323203
But fairies are nice, dude.

>>16323223
She is a small, cute fairy, has pretty long dark hair and a nice outfit. Plus, I like the colour blue and how she is associated with stars. She sometimes seems a bit more mature or sensible than the other two fairies while still retaining a childish, mischievous and adventurous personality, which is great. Also, I really loved how she was so excited instead of scared at all the spooky stuff Clownpiece was showing them in the latest VFiS chapter. She pretty much has all the qualities of a perfect daughter.

>>16323278
You've got TWO meme characters, one non-character, and a fucking ZOMBIE in your top 10. Reconsider continuing to exist.

>>16323355
>She pretty much has all the qualities of a perfect daughter.
Right.

>>16323355
Well said.

>>16323355
>fairies are nice
No

>>16323386
Well, okay.

>>16323393
> Sexualizing Fairies

>>16323399
it's not hard

>>16323425
Don't

>>16322445
The only gripe I have about this top 10 is Memerisa. If not for her I'd consider it the second best top 10 in here (maybe best depending on your other choice) even though mine would only share 3 out of 10 characters with yours.
>>16311470
Best top 10 and best taste. Mokou is lame though but let's leave that aside.

>>16323278
I really, really like your top 9.

>>16319210
Most surprising taste of this thread. Not that I agree with it, but it's nice to have something different to look at in these types of threads. Keep doing the good work anon

>>16317766
You make a good point but sadly your taste is the worst in the thread in my eyes. I disagree with most if not all of your list.

>>16313798
Second worst. At least you have an interesting choice for number one.

>>16317322
Third worst, probably because of how bland it is. You should uh.. maybe play more games.

>>16323460
Is Marisa more of a meme character than Reimu or Sanae?

>>16323432

>>16323460
>>16323574
Marisa is loaded with memes but there's nothing wrong with liking her. In fact, if you like her and you're not a secondary then I wouldn't blame you. She's a pretty great character, after all, and not really like her strictly tomboyish "lady killer" fandom interpretation, constantly betwixt Alice and Patchouli.

But many of the retards in this thread think if a character has memes associated with them at all, they're terrible. That pretty much eliminates most if not all Touhous, however.

>>16319643
>>16320522
I can't really rationalize my preference of characters. My top ten kind of developed over time for no real reason beside the attitude and general theme of each character. I guess I gravitated to those I found most interesting. Something about the goddess who takes misfortune and the cat who carts the dead seem cool to me.

It kinda took me by surprise how fast Junko has shot to the top of my tastes in the last year but I just can't say no to bat-shit insane blondes.

I am curious and anyone can go ahead and answer if they want to.

What is it that you like about your #1 so much?

>>16323866
I like how her happy-go-lucky attitude contrasts with her somber backstory, how she's pretty awful at the one skill she should be good at but that she still tries her hardest despite being picked on by others, and how she is surprisingly competent in other areas. Also her design is super cute, and I really enjoy her theme.

To top it all off, she has gotten a decent amount of attention in canon with multiple game appearances, a manga chapter focused on her, and a few cameos as well.

>>16323866
Escapism really. The freedom to cross between the boundaries of reality and dreams, fiction, imagination and the such, to go wherever and whenever I want, to explore and sight see and experience the entire universe, to be *free*.

>>16323866
My #1 is put there for shitposting, but my actual #1 (#2 on the list) is Mima. I like Mima's designs, her musical themes, she's my favorite MS shottype, and I enjoy her character. She's as developed as a PC-98 character could possibly be and I want to see more of her regardless of the "I can feel it in my bones" meme where everyone demands Mima come back just for the sake of rallying around something.

It probably helps that I played the PC-98 games before the Windows games and spent like two months trying to 1cc them before moving on, so my perspective of Touhou had Mima as the third-most-important character in the franchise (behind Reimu and Marisa) for a while before the big retcon of everything PC-98.

>>16323898
I feel like I almost know who it is but not quite.

>>16323950
Sorry, I should have mentioned it was Kogasa.

>>16323974
I can definitely see it now. I always liked her design too, especially the clever use of heterochromia to represent the single eye that her kind of youkai has in folklore.

>>16323912
Are you me?
Those are exactly the same reasons of why Mima is also my favorite character.

>>16323278
Too many ties, and the ones near the bottom I don't agree with.

I try to do this once every few months to see if anything changes, it's quite fun really. Aya used to be third and Remilia fourth

>>16320168
Weird, not sure what happened to that one either. First score is the right one.

>>16321931
Sekistory when?

>>16323346
Excellent at lying to people you mean? She sure is. She openly admits she used Buddhism as a political tool back in the day, while following completely different ideals. And the first thing she thinks of after waking up is becoming Gensokyo's administrator and labeling youkai as "evil". Every time Byakuren opens her mouth, Miko is preparing a snarky comment that barely adds anything to the discussion and the last thing I'd want, if I were a denizen of Gensokyo, is a typical politician with "funny"/"clever" answers.
The majority of Myouren Temple is quite inept, but that doesn't stop Byakuren from trying her best as individual: she admits she isn't interested in immortality anymore, so using backstory events that happened more than one thousand years ago as proof that she's actually some evil mastermind tricking everyone is an invalid point.
>>16319664
Concept, character (backstory, interactions, personality,...), design. Music, in-game fights/stages and quality fanworks can help as well. I don't include characters whose games I haven't played. "Their games" as in "games where they play their most prominent role": I won't check DS on the list, because I'd have to rate Iku and Tenshi and I've yet to play SWR, where they have their major role. I could use the informations I already have (Kokoro would be third place, Sumireko would be high tier), but I prefer having direct access to the source.
About this, having "Books and CDs" split in its components would be great: just because I read Bougetsushou doesn't mean I read VFiS or listened to all of the Hifuu CDs.

With that said, I've yet to post mine though.

>>16319664
It's a mixture of backstory, concept, canon personality, my own perception of that character's personality, character design, and to a lesser extent stage theme.

It seems to be a topic that gets argued about a lot but I think there is not a single person that doesn't have their own notion of what a character is like due to how little information there is about some of them. Some characters just don't have much of a presence outside of the game they show up in and the information in the symposium stuff so you end up trying to fill in the blanks yourself.

>>16323866
Shinki's the closest to a maternal figure (that I can see, at least) in Touhou. I swear I don't want to fuck my mom. The theme of alluding to a fallen angel is also pretty sweet.

World's End and Infinite Being contributed a fair amount too, with Infinite Being being one of the first few tracks that I was introduced to.

I'm not surprised Hina's on top, though I am slightly surprised Sanae's up with her. I think she'd be a couple places lower had the matchups been in a different order.

>>16324250
I'm not even sure how that many ties happened, and I thought Momji would be lower, Eiki higher, and a few others are really out of place

oh well

>>16324911
Please

>>16313266
brazilian tier taste.

Why do people see in Sanae?
She's by far the most boring protagonist

>>16322406
Essentially >>16322287, anger is fun, don't mean it mang, we're all 2hu loving friends here, don't actually mean anything.

except reimu fags, I legitimately dislike reimu fags

What do people see in Sanae?
She's by far the most boring protagonist

Her dialogue involves shit like "heheh youkai hunting is fun!"

Her shottypes are overpowered and borderline broken

Her color scheme is ugly as sin

And she doesn't really contribute anything of value to the story

>>16325031
I like genki girls.

I'm >>16324661 and here's my tier. The top is pretty accurate. Ignore the dead last characters: as I said, I simply don't want to rate them yet, even though they all (except Tokiko?) seem pretty cool, especially Rinnosuke.
Feel free to rate.

>>16325046
>Junko

>>16325046
I see nothing wrong with this taste.
Read CD stories and play PC98 games and I think it will be perfect.

>>16323278
Don't be discouraged anon, having Hecatia on first in an awesome display of good taste, you also got Clowpy on 4th and Yoshika on top 10, what a wonderfu- Yuyuko THAT low? I can't believe how horrid your taste is.

>>16324661
>She openly admits she used Buddhism as a political tool back in the day, while following completely different ideals.
Yes. Prince Shotoku, while a Taoist, strong-armed the Buddhist faction of the Soga/Mononobe conflict into a win to PREVENT FURTHER BLOODSHED. Buddhism was chosen because its tenets were more useful for peacekeeping among the citizenry. This was to secure a stable, peaceful future for the country.
>And the first thing she thinks of after waking up is becoming Gensokyo's administrator and labeling youkai as "evil".
Yes, because those were the standards of her day. Once corrected, and explained the true purpose of Gensokyo, she gracefully rescinds her claim to rule. At a later time, we find out she has in the meanwhile devised a method of assisting the humans of the Human Village anyway (apprenticeship), without disrupting Gensokyo's balance at all. Take it in and consider how brilliant a move that was.

Then contrast it to Byakuren, whose methods of promoting her (false) ideals consist of violence, public haranguing (which nobody cares about anyway) and refusing to respond to criticism (Symposium).

>>16323866
The moment I saw her I immediately thought that she was so cute, every expression she makes and everything she said. She has an infinitely beautiful design. She is a very good final boss and how her last card was very hype. All of her themes are brilliant and I love her shottype in IN.
I love stuff related to ghost, and she is a ghost princess, that's pretty much as good as it gets for any girl I may like.
Maybe all that combined with the fact that she's very smart but carefree. When her theme started, it gave me the feel that I was to fight a very elegant yet powerful girl, which she is and I love.
She is the kind of person I wouldn't mind hanging around with for the rest of my life.
I'm very grateful that I can play with her in one of the main games, that she appears a lot in canon material and that she gets lots of fanart.

This is the one I made last thread. Konngara is #2 because back when I made it I was trying to 1CC HRtP and was obsessed with her theme. I'll make a new one now but I don't know if much will change

>>16325046
I like this chart, you are into powerful girls huh?

>>16325265
>Satori
>Powerful

>>16325271
Why the cherry pick? Is an easy conclusion seeing how he has a lot of final bosses and some extras up there.

>>16325275
Being an extra or final boss has nothing to do with powerlevels

>>16323866
When I saw touhou for the first time in 2010 she was the best shit I ever witnessed.
Beautiful spellcards and design were the primary reason she's my number 1 for almost 7 years now.
Actual personality, character development and fun interactions with golden heart of human village.
I have captured 7 out of 9 spellcards. I never did this with any EX Boss ever.

But who am I talking about?

>>16325084
But I did play them (except LLS. I did play it a long time ago, but I think I lost to Elly and I'm currently having troubles with emulation), that's why they're there. For the CDs, I only listened to DiPP and it was really good: I also want to listen the ones about Renko and Maribel, but I need to find the perfect occasion when I can listen to them without being bothered.
>>16325123
Except that those treats those "apprentices" as mere servants, is interested in wordly affairs even if she wants to be a Celestial and (but this is Akyuu talking, so I can give the benefit of the doubt) ultimately, hermits use their powers only for their own benefit. Byakuren admits she sometimes fights, but only when it's necessary. People not listening to the correct morals she preaches doesn't suddenly invalidate them. Also, she does address some issues (like Yamame not being able to access the Temple), but people just ignore her motivations.
>>16325264
Wow, I had this same experience: I remember Konngara getting something like 20th after 1cc HrtP thanks to her theme. The part when the song suddenly changes mood is just perfect.
>>16325265
Usually, the Final/EX bosses are the ones ZUN puts more effort in (thankfully, he's started to improve first stages bosses instead of "Generic McYoukai you beat for no reason"), but my top is mostly characters with sad backstories which I fall for (The Chireiden, especially the Komeijis, confined in the Underground; Junko lost her son and Hecatia is basically her only friend; Byakuren got sealed; Eiki judges the dead; Mima...will probably never appear again?) or unusual personalities (Kanako and Seiga). Kokoro will take 3rd place after I include her.
>>16325271
If we're talking about prestige, she's the Mistress of the Chireiden. If we're talking about power levels, copying spellcards and awakening traumas can be quite powerful abilities.

>>16323866
She seems like she'd talk with me for hours walking through forests, be sorta shy and tomboyish, but also aggressive with witty jokes and fine with taking the lead of the conversation from time to time. She'd drink and force me to drink from time to time.

If she ever opens up to me, that is. Every time I think about "what if I were in sokyo" I just remember that if I did, all the 2hus wouldn't care about me, there's no reason for them to care about me. I don't have special powers, I'm not particularly charming or some shit.

Mokou wouldn't even give me a second look, even if I pursued her, even if I tried to get to know her. In her countless years how many men better than me had tried to do the same?

>>16325333
>The part when the song suddenly changes mood is just perfect.

Right? I think it's one of the most underrated songs of the franchise. It only needs to be a bit longer

>>16323866
She stuck out to me not only as the first EX Boss, but even the first boss in the shmup games.

The fact that she's this blatantly powerful individual that manages to get by with NOTHING but the power of science and technology in Gensokyo of all places, and supposedly only lost because of the sheer power of the yin-yang orbs and Reimu brute-forcing it.
The fact that she seemed to have some blatant buildup, like she was meant to be someone more prominent than she turned out to be.
The fact that she seemingly dresses practically aside from the bitchin cape and that aggressive attitude she has in the games.

Oh, and The Tank Girl's Dream is pretty cool.

>>16325408
Proto-Nitori

>>16325441
That's a tiny list

>>16325374
It's a shame Sariel overshadows her a lot (even though her fight certainly has more variety), but Konngara suddenly showing up with a boom in sync with the music and with an enormous sprite really sets the atmosphere.

>>16323866
My number 1 dropped to number 6 in sorting recently, making me realize that my top 6 or so are all different shades of 1, so on that note...

For my previous number 1, I absolutely love "stupidly overpowered" characters who do next to nothing with their abilities. I also find her pleasant.

For my current number 1, she's fucking absolutely adorable. She won me over as soon as she appeared and with every one of her dialogues. Also, one of the few completely OK youkai in my book, since she's helpful and nice.

Current 2: she's an unrepentant shithead, I love it. I just really love that brazen attitude that fucks with everyone so deliberately.

Current 3: I find her to be absolutely hilarious but also completely badass. Very fun to play as in the fighting games. Just super, super cool and silly.

Current 4: DORK. That's really all it comes down to. Such a fucking dork.

Current 5: Possibly the only Touhou character in the entire franchise to have character development within the current series. A likable personality and a good character arc make her sometimes feel like #1 in my heart, which is how she toppled the previous number 1 when I was sorting...but she still turned out to be 5. Like I said, up there they're roughly equal.

>>16325285
This is how powerlevelfags think? Amusing.

>>16325319
Koishi?

Though she canonically doesn't have a personality.

>>16325532
Oh come on, I made it as obvious as I could
Try again

>>16325333
>Except that those treats those "apprentices" as mere servants
Those who aren't up to par - which there are a lot of, due to the Human Village's somewhat idyllic existence.
>is interested in wordly affairs even if she wants to be a Celestial
Hermit.
>ultimately, hermits use their powers only for their own benefit
That's what hermitage is all about. Nothing wrong with it.
>Byakuren admits she sometimes fights, but only when it's necessary.
Or when she feels the need to force her methods on others, even though she is repeatedly informed they are erroneous and ultimately dangerous. Such as, I don't know, in her ULiL route.
>People not listening to the correct morals she preaches doesn't suddenly invalidate them.
Youkai aren't people, Byakuren knows this, they can't be merely persuaded to defy their natures, and yet she continues to pretend they can, while explicitly enabling them to continue to harass humans, who in turn get no protection. All in the name of... equality?

I'm not denying Byakuren's developed character. But anyone who insists said character isn't a racialist, two-faced egotist clearly misunderstands her design. Probably takes their interpretation from doujins, too.

>>16325348
>She seems like she'd talk with me for hours walking through forests
if she takes a shine to you; she's otherwise quite reticent, isn't she?

>>16325536
You didn't really make it obvious, I think. There aren't many human village characters but "Kokoro = Heart" so I figured that might be it. Koishi technically goes through changes throughout the series.

And I can't think of any other Ex characters with character development. Maybe Mamizou, given the human village stuff, but ain't no one ever called her design and cards beautiful.

>>16325548
>anyone who insists said character isn't a racialist, two-faced egotist clearly misunderstands her design
indeed

I mean jeez, it's incredibly obvious from the first appearance. Your heroine fights her because her ideals are BS

>>16325550
also TD came out in 2011, can't be that

>>16325550
Mokou
Pretty obvious, eh?
Keine being golden heart of human village
Design and beautiful spellcards
Also she's the easiest EX boss, while Koishi is one of the hardest, I could never capture 7/9 of her cards

>>16325031
Her dialogue isn't all like that. Only her UFO SanaeA scenario has her hellbent on doing well with youkai hunting. Besides, she's adorable in the mangas.

UFO: SanaeA isn't overpowered in any way, shape, or form. It's a jack-of-all-trades shot. SanaeB has the strongest bomb in the game, but it isn't OP.
TD: Sanae is the worst shot in the game, so I don't know what you're talking about.
LoLK: She isn't broken here because she has the weakest shot power from a distance, but she does make 1ccing the game a breeze along with Reisen.

Opinions dudes. I personally love the color scheme.

I don't think you've read the story or the endings too much if you've come to that conclusion.

>>16325571
I guess I don't know Keine as the "golden heart", but I never read up on her much after playing IN.

come to think f it, I guess you could call her friendship with Sumireko "character development" since previously she had almost no friends. There is also, of course, her incredibly elaborate backstory where she goes through many changes.

Well it's no choice I'd knock; she's in my top 10 and I think she's rad as hell. I don't really remember her spell cards too well, but I don't remember most -- I'm terrible at these games.

>>16325579
I like the meaning of her spellcards.
For example Iwakasa's curse.
It was meant to curse her for all eternity but because of her resolve she turned weakness into strenght making it a spellcard.
The rest of them are at least pretty.
Also I probably read too much Keine doujins

>>16325492
>she's helpful and nice

>>16325550
>if she takes a shine to you; she's otherwise quite reticent, isn't she?

Hence my point later in the post. chances are I'll just be ignored and thought of as just another human.

>>16325594
>>>she's helpful and nice
pictured is NOT the number 1, but 2

which might be more obvious reading #2's reasons -- number 1 is Kogasa

>>16325603

>>16325571
>Also she's the easiest EX boss
Not so fast
Pic related is the easiest
Flan and suwako also seem way easier than her

>>16325650
Mokou is pretty damn random so if you are a Lucky Boy then she's easy,
I am an easymode player and never come close to Ran and Flandre

>>16325548
She already IS a hermit. She states she's training to become a Celestial. Also, that's not what hermitage is about: the PMiSS section says something vastly different (even if it references...sutras? But she, Buddhist or not, is a hermit) and certainly treating people as servants isn't part of that lifestyle.
Buddhism is a religion/philosophy about accepting your own physical death to trascend wordly attachment, so the whole "If youkai stop attacking humans, they will vanish" is logically fine. Byakuren wants them to attain enlightenment with her. She humbly admits she's a novice and she certainly doesn't come off as arrogant or narcisistic as Miko, nor egoistic, since all the work she's done for others has been detrimental for her reputation. She used to protect youkai for fame, sure, but she abandoned that route a long time ago. Also, this doesn't have anything to do with doujin: pretty much all the ones I read about her portrayed her in a negative light.
>>16325561
Sanae literally has no arguments about her stance on youkai and repeats that youkai are evil because that's what her patron goddesses said.
>>16325550
It was actually pretty clear it was Mokou: it's 2010, so before TD. Flandre is a shut-in, Ran doesn't exist, Yukari is a trickster, Suwako mostly stays on Youkai Mountain, Koishi would rather "pillage from a bunch of peaceful humans" and everyone fears Nue. Mokou is the only one who could fit.
>>16325550
I like Mamizou's design. Her spellcards...the animated bullets are cool, but they screw with your eyes.

>>16323866
Sweet theme, least haughty of the Lunarians and a nice outfit, although I like her initial professional-looking suit and tie and medecine-seller looks best. I also really have a weak spot for the whole "war veteran-turned-farmacist" backstory, and like how her pragmatic office-worker personality clashes with her powers.

I normally otherwise tend to gravitate more towards supernatural entities that keep an eye out for the humans and try to keep them safe, but she stands out to me from the rest enough to put her above those characters.

>>16325784
>least haughty of the Lunarians
Reisen isn't a lunarian

>>16325798
Mooninites, then.

>>16325418
With the problem that Nitori's not near EX Boss material

>>16326280
Why not?
Yuyuko is both final boss and first boss material

>>16326280
There is a fanmade "After Extra" with her though.

>>16325798
By her being originally from the moon, she is labeled a Lunarian. A Lunarian isn't so much a species, but closer to a nationality. Sagume is considered a Lunarian even though she's actually a goddess.

Also something to be aware, Reisen didn't actually go to war. She fled to Earth before the war started.

>>16325728
> Not what hermitage is about
You got some things backwards. A hermit having an ultimate goal of becoming a celestial is not anything weird. It's actually fairly common. Now a hermit like Seiga wouldn't be doing that for obvious reasons. Many celestials in heaven were formerly hermits, even shikaisen like Miko. Taoism is about seeking your own way to enlightenment, so those people being her "servants" is nothing really strange. If she didn't have human servants, it'd be animals. (Looks at Kasen [and yes I know she's not a real hermit]).

Byakuren may not come off as arrogant or egotistical, but deep down you know she is. She automatically labeled Miko as bad before she even woke up. Miko has a reason to be snarky towards her. However, as you saw in SoPM, HM, and ULiL, Miko was reasonable enough to give Byakuren due respect when it was necessary. She allowed Byakuren to do what she wanted with the occult orbs, even though Miko told her it was useless what she was trying to do. Byakuren is a novice, and oh she is definitely a novice. She has not the experience that Miko and Kanako possess. She is the least competent of the religious leaders of Gensokyo, and it is very apparent by her actions. Also, "protect youkai for fame", don't you mean exterminate youkai for fame?

If Byakuren was to take on an action to exterminate a very dangerous youkai, then my respect for her would go up. Why do I say this? Because then it would be clear that she is not exclusively biased toward youkai. Yukari would exterminate a youkai if it was necessary. Mamizou would do it too.

>>16323866
Because she's the coolest. Her elaborate cape, her attacking motions, her entrance and win poses in VS mode, even the simple act of moving towards her opponent she does with a perfect air of smug confidence and bravado that surpasses even Miko's. She's cool, she knows it and she isn't afraid of showing it off. It speaks to me. And this charm is enhanced by those moments where you can see the dorky flying teenager underneath (her time-out animation, and some other of her motions, which show just how much fun she's having throwing stuff at people). It helps that she's so pretty. I think she's beautiful. And while her personality is certainly a bit rotten (the first chapter of new CoLA exposed some hypocrisy from her part, for instance), you're still left with a smart, very hardworking girl whose pursuit of knowledge doesn't appear to have an end.

I enjoy her style of slow-but-powerful attacks in ULiL. It feels very satisfying to bash someone's head in with that street sign. And while there's not much I can say about her other player-character spellcards, Gun Sign "3D Printer Gun" is a delight for me just for the sheer audacity of it. Why not, just bring a gun to a danmaku fight. The ability of telekinesis is a favorite superpower of mine, which gives her plenty more points in my book. And her theme is fantastic, one of the best songs in the entire franchise in my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQD-w5ODcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m4IGi9PlXo

Sucks that she isn't more popular but I suppose it's understandable. After all, her design makes full use of her status as an outsider to create someone that is just that - an outsider, someone who doesn't belong.

>>16327167
>Fled before the war started.
Where did you pick that up? I remember Eirin mentioning Reisen fleeing during the war, not before it. As for whether she actually saw fighting, it's pretty ambiguous whether there was any fighting at all throughout the conflict, but I'd imagine it would have to be bad enough for a Lunar Rabbit to drop everything and flee to the "impure" Earth to go into hiding.

>>16325578
She has a ridiculous bomb in LoLK, making life farming way too easy compared to the other characters.

>>16327844
Yeah, that much is true. Keep in mind Reisen also has an easy time farming lives.

Sometimes I feel like ZUN only playtested LoLK with Sanae. But I don't think she's MoF MarisaB tier in broken.

>>16327591
You seem to have put a lot of thought into it and I think that is nice.

>>16326292
>>16326388
And honestly, it's not only that. She's also the only 'powerless' human, the only completely mundane one in a world with all this crazy stuff going on. Unless you count Yumemi and Chiyuri who aren't even natives She just...stands out so much from the rest of the EX bosses.

>>16328359
I feel like the power levels in SoEW were a lot lower than in later games. Reimu shows clear signs of struggling in her dialogue even outside the bad end and is a lot greener in general when it comes to her job, which makes the opponents less powerful as well. Mima is dangerous but isn't obscenely powerful like later final bosses (even in the PC-98 era there's an actual god as a final boss later on), Marisa is similarly green and is still an apprentice, and like you said the Extra boss is completely mundane and only relies on technology to hold her on.

I liked unconfident Reimu in that game's "already used a continue before the end of Stage 4" route. We need more unconfident Reimu.

>>16327598
It was either mentioned in CiLR or Strange Creators. I know it was one of those two.

>>16327598
So are those pinned to her head or what?

>>16327591
Kind of strange seeing a none Sanaefan writing a short novel about why they like their waifu.

>>16328924
He's very "special"

>>16325122
I don't like her hat, hair or clothes, they strike the wrong cords with me

>>16328622
Thanks. Runagate was were I'd read she escaped during the war, but Strange Creators seems to further imply she saw fighting, or at least came to dislike it.

I'd switch some things around but overall it's pretty accurate.

>>16334337
Rare to see Daiyousei up so high. What do you like about her?