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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.

What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.

>> No.16095385

I need some VNs where the protagonist and a heroine hates each others guts but end up loveydovey.

>> No.16095401

ripped sugar and spice directly from the game because it loops better

https://mega.nz/#!bMQQCKbB!faCjRW4GV_rKbfB5WsptknNt7x09bwgxognu-yyRfHM

>> No.16095416
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Played the trial for a bit. The girls are cute, but that's about it. The writing feels really bland and the protagonist has no personality at all.

>> No.16095421

>>16095416
And that's supposed to be surprising?

>> No.16095422

>>16095421
No.

>> No.16095439

>>16095416
I hate this artstyle for a setting like this.

>> No.16095478

>>16095385
恋ではなく

>> No.16095485

>>16095439
Well the setting is obviously not taken seriously, since, you know, it's girls fighting dragons rather than trained men.

>> No.16095551

Anyone have a link to 世界ノ全テ?

>> No.16095678
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>>16095416
>Fighting a dragon in high school uniform

>> No.16095686

>>16095678
Just like my modded TES

>> No.16095693

>>16095678
They're not in high school.

>> No.16095696

>>16095693
What are they in?

>> No.16095703

>>16095696
Knight order.

>> No.16095718

>>16095703
High school in disguise

>> No.16096093
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>>16095416
No imouto, not even a nude filter

>> No.16096224

>>16096093
Naked armor patch is the preoder bonus, isn't it?

>> No.16096932

Finished Chuusotsu, it's good, play it.

>> No.16096951
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16096951

new azarashi soft project right after amakano+
http://azarashi-soft.nexton-net.jp/aikagi/

>> No.16096960

>>16096951
Nice concept, cohabitation is cool, but depends on how good the heroine is.

>> No.16096965

>>16096960
>azarashi soft
Well given how boring every single heroine they've produced so far is, I wouldn't get your hopes up for a good heroine

>> No.16097018

>>16096951
Will it feature the protagonist having a ginormous dick?

>> No.16097104

>>16096951
Only one heroine?

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>>16096965
clearly their stuff is not for you because they've made great girls

>> No.16097252

>>16097237
picture unrelated

>> No.16097315

>>16097104
Looks like it. Its a low-price game, so no surprise.

>> No.16097348

>>16096932
How many chapters are there?

>> No.16097355

Anyone try it?
https://vndb.org/v17088

>> No.16097368

>>16096932
What is it even about? Everyone is so ambiguous about it, what themes does it touch?

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>>16097368

>> No.16097465

>>16097355
I like lolis but that artstyle is shit.

>> No.16097540

>>16097237
Her visual design is excellent but actually in game she got real boring and sub real fast.

>> No.16097549

>>16097368
>What is it even about?
Scifi, somewhat dystopian setting with nanomachines. Basically every member of the society is given a sort of seal corresponding to their role, which also boosts their mental and physical capacities to help them in their job. What seal you get is decided by an exam at the end of middle school, and those who fail completely end up without a seal and are called ちゅーそつ, with their mental and physical adjustment "levels" set to lowest. While they're seen as lower class by some of the population they're actually guaranteed human rights like everyone else and have a right to retry the exam, though the succeeding percentage is pretty low.

The protagonist and the main characters are all ちゅーそつ who answer to a mysterious company's offer for cohab housing. In order to be able to to stay there they have to pass a test period by finding an answer to 「素晴らしい人生とは?」, with the kicker being that there's a machine that gauges each person's mental synchro-rate, meaning that the machine only accepts an answer if all three participating members are 100% in agreement about the answer. Actual plot wise it's mostly about the protagonist moving out, trying to deal with her past weak self and become a better, more diligent person to pass the re-exam.

>> No.16097664

>>16097389
>>16097549
Sorry I should've worded it better. I already finished the trial, but since it ended in a cliffhanger I was curious to know where it goes from there before buying the game myself.

>Actual plot wise it's mostly about the protagonist moving out, trying to deal with her past weak self and become a better, more diligent person to pass the re-exam.
I see; so the focus is improving herself (internal) rather than staying an outcast or finding faults in the P3法 (external). I found the setting pretty interesting which is why I was curious at how it ended up being portrayed.

>> No.16097670

What VNs come to mind when you think of catharsis?

>> No.16097682

>>16097670
Really good porno games

>> No.16097691

>>16097670
https://vndb.org/v5306

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>>16097465

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>>16097705
The eyes being so far apart really does look bad, this is a hack job but I think something more like the right would be way better

>> No.16098353

How the hell does Caim know how to play chess?

>> No.16098357

>>16098353
Probably played it to kill time with Sieg. Or watched nobles playing it while in a stealth operation.

>> No.16098360

>>16098353
How does anyone? It's such a confusing game.

>> No.16098366

>>16098360
Eh? There's like 6 unique pieces to remember the rules of, after that it's basically just (excluding castling), "take turns moving a piece". What's confusing? It's complex, sure, but confusing?

>> No.16098389

>>16098366
Too many rules to remember. Games where you press enter until you get the girl are more my pace.

>> No.16098565

>>16096932
Maybe I would if there was a torrent.

>> No.16098827

Has anyone else gotten Kud Wafer to work?
I can't find a no dvd crack anywhere?
If I have to buy it I will, but I just want confirmation.

>> No.16098972

>>16095551
All links and torrents are dead, I would download it from clubbox and upload but it's kinda big

>> No.16098978

>>16098827
That game was impossible to crack, you have to buy it, SORRY

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>>16097348
4 But I thought it's gonna end at 3.

>>16098565
There was an upload on Mega linked in one of the previous threads. Or just buy it for 1000 yen online.

>>16097664
There's also a strong theme of how people percieve and interact with others.

>> No.16099032 [DELETED] 

>16096225

Could you please elaborate what part of it that makes it a bad slice-of-life VN?

>16095083

>Think soap operas

I see. I think I can stomach it then. Thanks.

>> No.16099037

>>16096225

Could you please elaborate what part of it that makes it a bad slice-of-life VN?

>>16095083

>Think soap operas

I see. I think I can stomach it then. Thanks.

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16099668

Getting this error with the demonbane sequel, kishin hishou. I've tried updating (v1.20), running in a compatability mode and running as admin, but no luck. Any ideas on what I can try?

>> No.16099786

do I have to play kokoro navi before rista?

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>>16099786

>> No.16100008
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>>16099786
If you can get the game working, sure. Tried messing around with it in a VM and the best I could get was getting the game to run but none of the actual text to display.

>>16099037
>Could you please elaborate what part of it that makes it a bad slice-of-life VN?
It's just loaded with poorly written drama most of which is dependent upon the protagonist's personality varying wildly to make it work when, he'll act differently from scene to scene.
>>16099668
You need to an .exe with the Alpha-rom stripped out. The version it uses is incompatible with x64 and modern OS in general.
This should work.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/w8on0657pihjw01/KishinHisho.exe

>> No.16100053

>>16100008
That worked! Thanks a lot.

>> No.16100231

>>16099031
>There was an upload on Mega linked in one of the previous threads.

Thanks for the tip.
https://mega.nz/#!v4g0FI4A!atH7mQH2wVhJa9fBCjcwTPGb-BPktM-Np8DNmV9n4f8

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Heh. I still like these "comments" the girls sometimes give. Nothing changed there I suppose.
Also they finally gave Keiko a theme, after realizing her original one isn't very suited for most scenes (and was used a grand total of what.. 2 times?..). It's unfortunately way worse than the original one, but that was to be expected.

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Ok then.

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>>16100379

Seriously.

>> No.16100413

>>16099786
>>16100008
I played it several years ago, you can try [18禁ゲーム] [030627] こころナビの詳しい起動方法+修正実行ファイル.rar" if you want to get it running properly.

It's a shit game BTW, don't play it except maybe for Aino's route

>> No.16100419

>>16099786
>>16100008
>>16100413
Yeah, just tried again and the game runs no problem. I'm on WIN7

>> No.16100432

>>16100317
>Maia finally gets a route that's more than 10 minutes long
>it's 20 minutes long and most of that is out of character sex scenes and it's only available after you read and unlock everything else and it pulls a tearjerker ending because even in dreams we can't have nice things
on cold, lonely nights, sometimes I think of this and the tiny but eternal flame of my anger sustains me long enough to see the dawn.

>> No.16100453

>>16100432
Actually I thought that kind of ending fit her perfectly, having a happy ending wouldn't suit her. Sometimes you gotta accept that not everyone can have a happy ending man.

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Okay, after a few days, I finally picked up Reina's route again and finished it. They give Reina's mother a face. Why the fuck she, not only got a name, also got a face in the CG that she got in? Why the fuck can't AkabeiSoft3 do this to Orino's mother when she appears on the CG? Why only show her face on the fucking ending CG, and not making a sprite for her for her appearance?

Okay, enough rant. I feel that the pacing of the route is kind of awkward. Reina's route central conflict kicks in a bit late, but ends early (because she already committed to drop the delinquent act and be honest to her mother and has no more problems with her, she only continues the siege for her friends.), making the last part of the siege feels a bit unnecessary to me , and only serves to mirror the plot to the Ugly Duckling tale, where she got mocked by the adults that caught her, but her mother keeps trusting her. Though it's better than making the conflict forcibly dragged on to the end of the route.

And thank god that she drops the tsun personality later on, making her likable to me.

Now, moving on to Sen's route.I should've waited Orino's route for the last, picking my favorite character's route first makes it hard to play the subsequent routes.

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>>16100453
:(
Really I just wanted an extended version of the bad ending from the original, the point being wossisname the MC deliberately chooses to stay in the dreamworld, giving up on reality because he'd rather be with Maia instead.

Kimi ni Okuru, Sora no Hana had something very similar and I loved it, that kind of thing pushes all my buttons in all the right ways. Something about stories where you choose to fuck everything up forever because you just love something/someone so much. It works real well in visual novels since you the reader get to actually make that decision. But it's harder to find those than it feels like it should be.

Instead they went for the boring morally correct 'you've matured as a person' ending.

I kinda wish more eroge would let me embrace my ダメダメ nature. Well, without slipping into the usual corruption/degradation nukige genre that is.

Plus Maia was objectively perfect and a miracle of the universe and I just wanted more of that.

>> No.16100519

>>16100432

I actually just started it because I randomly browsed it on EGS recently and saw this review "summary":

>しかし舞亜の扱いがひどい。

Had to laugh when I read this. Also I can't help but be a bit relieved, because especially a FD could easily be like "fuck characterization and plot" and go all for some weird unfitting route, happy ending or whatever. Heck even Fortissimo's additional content essentially just screws over Momiji's characterization and a lot that made her great to offer some ero with her. I mean like, what the fuck? And that wasn't even just a FD, but got added to the "main-game" which you could be unfortunate enough to stumble over during your first playthrough if you don't follow a guide.

Anyway. I'm sure I'll have some fun. There's always Keiko, and I liked most of the heroines anyway. (Though not necessarily design wise)

>> No.16100528

>>16100432
Speaking of it, I heard the fandisc isn't the classic "after stories for each heroine" type one, is it a single harem ending or something?

>> No.16100545

Cross-board visitor here
How fluent in Japanese are you?

>> No.16100554

>>16100511
>Kimi ni Okuru, Sora no Hana had something very similar and I loved it, that kind of thing pushes all my buttons in all the right ways.

I already had it in my backlog, now I'll start it tomorrow, seems great. Do you mind if I ask which heroine is it, and does it matter if I play it last or first?

>> No.16100556

>>16100545
very

>> No.16100559

>>16100545
I just skip to the H-scenes and wait for the girl to scream お兄ちゃん、気持いい!行くうううう and then I cum.

>> No.16100564

>>16100556
How did you learn it? Do you find DJT's guide and resources useful?

>>16100559
kek Can't say I haven't done it desu

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>>16100519
Eh, that was the one time I was actually hoping they'd go with the weirdly unfitting happy ending. Just my personal preferences though, but you could easily have done it without ruining anyone's characterization.

I didn't so much like the heroines individually as I liked how they interacted in a group. Their catty sniping at each other and infighting was glorious; probably another reason why I found it so enjoyable to give them all the finger and do Maia's bad end.

>>16100554
It's this girl, the quiet super shy one who gets...less so. Order doesn't matter, I think. Didn't for me, at least.

>> No.16100576

>>16100564
Please go back to /a/

>> No.16100586

>>16100567
lol actually I downloaded this game because I heard that girl is a yandere , seriously cant wait to see what the fuck is going on at her route.

>> No.16100592

>>16100586
You heard right.

>> No.16100597

>>16100576
I'm from /int/

>> No.16100607

>>16100597
Then go to /a/'s DJT. This isn't a thread about learning Japanese.

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Drunken moe is fun.

>> No.16100634

>>16100567
So I guess the FD is continuing from the Alice route's ending, but how does it handle that, making a new heroine routes / endings or something?

>> No.16100657

>>16100634
I don't actually know to be honest, I never finished Alice's route. Did Maia's bad end and called it a day, that was the ending I wanted. And then I skimmed through most of the FD because I'm garbage, but from what I gather there's two Alices now and the dreamworld stuff is back again.

It's not regular route style, it's more like a collection of snippets of scenes that you choose from and those unlock more and so on. There's slice of life nothing happens bits, vaguely plot-related bits, one-on-one heroine downtime bits, and of course the porn bits. Each girl has an ending, I'm pretty sure, though I only went for you-know-who.

>> No.16100682

>>16100634
Using "possibility", "dream" etc words. The game is pretty much continuation of the Alice route, other heroine endings are just possibility even at the FD.

>> No.16101192

can't find kimikiss iso please help

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>> No.16101581

>>16101514
She was such a bitch. Sasami best.

>> No.16101595

>>16101514
Fuck I fucking hate shota MCs, I hate that onee-chan games always have them as MCs

>> No.16101672

>>16101595
>shota MC
Pretty sure the MC wasn't a shota, just had a cute face

>> No.16101752

>>16101581
Game won't let me choose her yet but any sister (especially a twin) who's actively hoping and trying to help her brother win a harem of herself and all her sisters together deserves best sister ever award.

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>>16101752
Honestly not a huge fan of those kinds of characters. They feel even more pandering than most heroines in a genre meant to pander, they feel kind of nasty to me. Usually that is, there are some exceptions I'm sure.

>> No.16102145

>>16101757
dunno y but reading that line alone makes me hard

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I finished Gusha no Kyouben if anyone cares or wants thoughts on it.

>>16100457
Yeah it did feel like the climax happened too early, but I liked it better than the alternative, dragging out the conflict throughout all the sex scenes. It felt nice how you resolved the problems and then got to relax in a happy loving relationship. Reina's route best route.

>> No.16102405

>>16102400
Is it good

>> No.16102413

>>16102405
Yes, very good. Better than Shoujo Ramune but worse than Himawari.

>> No.16102470

Damn childhood friends making me feel guilty for going after my favorite girl. I never asked for this.

>> No.16102484

>>16102470
Go play Koichoco. It will permanently cure you of all sympathy for childhood friend heroines.

>> No.16102487

>>16102484
He his playing that

>> No.16102571

>>16102400

Please list from best to worst:

1.Routes
2.Heroines
3.Male characters, since there are more of them than the heroines.

>>16102484

Not that anon, but I got extreme hatred to abusive heroines now instead of hating childhood friend heroines in general.

>> No.16102589

>>16102571
Routes: Reina > Orino > No-heroine route > Sen
Heroines: Orino > Reina > Sen
Male characters: Yukiya (blonde) > Toshimichi (chuuni) > Kazuki (MC) > Takito (fat)

>> No.16102634

>>16102589

Thank you.

>No-heroine route > Sen

Why? Is her route really that bad?

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>>16102634
Non-spoiler answer: Yes

The VN might have drama, but it's generally light-hearted and positive, focusing on the character's relationships with their parents and their overcoming the chains of society and becoming adults themselves. For the other routes, this works well, because the drama is with reasonable people who are just slightly too strict or too uncaring, and so you can make up with them and have a heart-filled resolution. For Sen's route, things are different. The antagonists here are a rapist teacher and the principal who covers up his misdoings to make himself look good.

The worst part is that it could have been really good. There was clear potential here, and some parts like the speech Sen gives to the media were actually great. But the problem is, you CAN'T do something like this half-heartedly. You CAN'T have one scene a serious, moving scene about the evils of child abuse and the horrible things people will do, and the next the girl begging for MC to ejaculate inside her. It just doesn't fucking work like that. The worst part was when her little sister was kidnapped by said rapist and, while little sister is potentially getting tied up, whipped and made to drink teacher cum (she didn't though) Sen is happily talking about her dreams of getting married to MC and having 3 children (pic related). It was awful.

Now, they tried. They put focus on the romance and the love between MC and Sen as a contrast to the one-way abuse of the teacher, to try and draw a distinction between the two. And this is good, but they didn't do it enough. The problem was that the VN's sex scenes are more than just a typical vanilla moege, they tried to be erotic and slightly fetishy while still loving and romantic, and this works for the other more light-hearted routes, but for this? Basically I felt by the end if Sen had been raped she'd end up at begging for the teacher to cum inside her and moaning about how much it feels good. And that might be good from a sexual perspective but it COMPLETELY ruined the impact of the storyline and any attempt to take the game seriously.

And I wanted to take it seriously. I was at the edge of my seat when the youngest sister comes in crying about Aoi-oneechan disappearing. I wanted long speeches about how we'll do anything to protect her and how we'll never forgive those scum, I wanted to cry into my keyboard as her barely alive body is uncovered, I wanted to see the teacher beaten to within an inch of his life and a gradual healing process of moving on and overcoming the traumatic past. It could have been beautiful.

Maybe the problem is with me, expecting something from the VN that it was never intended to be. But then they shouldn't have built up my expectations in the first place, they should've made the storyline all lighter and more consistent. They should've just made another Reina/Orino route and it would've been fine. But this, this was not forgivable.

With that said I still recommend the VN, the rest of it is really good. Even the no-heroine route is actually pretty well done, much more fleshed out than most VNs would do. I just regret ending it with this route, because it really did leave a bad taste in my mouth.

>> No.16103815

>try Low Spec trial
>get Japan-only error message
>try switching location settings
>still get the error

Welp, I'm not rebooting my computer for this. Hopefully it gets cracked when the full thing comes out.

>> No.16103817

>>16103815
It doesn't need a crack, the usual methods work.

>> No.16104277

Does someone feel like ripping the music from Chuusotsu and uploading it?

>> No.16104481

>>16104277
If you post the mega link for it again, I'll do it.

>> No.16104485

>>16104481
It's literally in this thread, scroll up.

>> No.16104494

>>16104485
Thanks for spoonfeeding me. DLing now.

>> No.16104677

>>16102709

>they should've made the storyline all lighter and more consistent. They should've just made another Reina/Orino route and it would've been fine

How though? Her attempted rape is the main reason why the siege starts in the first place. Without it, the story needs to be overhauled, because having the kids starting the siege without the big trigger will make the act less sympathetic to the readers. That's why the VN will always tell us that the teacher and the principal get what they deserve at the end of the siege regardless of route; to remind the reader that the siege starts because of Sen's attempted rape, and the siege fulfill its main purpose regardless what the reader choose earlier to make all the effort not go wasted on nothing.

So, at one side, her attempted rape is a huge elephant in the room that can't be ignored, but on the other side, the route's theme is so different, it doesn't fit with the VN general theme. What a nightmare. Still want to read at the route myself though.

I checked the CGs on sadpanda (since I've spoiled myself might as well go all out to see it all), is this just me or Sen's route is the only route where the ending doesn't show her adult future self?

>> No.16104857

>>16096951
Finally, they changed that fucking artist.

>> No.16104970

>>16104857
Yup, it's definitely a downgrade but it looks like it's going to be a short title so i'm fine with it

>> No.16105105

Has anyone here played Nikuniku (the Ban'ya game)?

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Finished the normal ending of Hapymaher FD.

I quite liked it. I'm not sure about how the "true ending" will become though, as the normal ending seems "appropriate" considering the themes of the original. Also with what I'm assuming is going to happen with Maya... I'm sensing some massive double standard incoming. I'll see I guess.

>> No.16105768

Is Tsuyokiss Next worth my time? All the heroines seem like copies of the girls from the original game, which comes off as incredibly lazy.

>> No.16105788

>>16105768
Speaking of Tsuyokiss, isn't Takahiro a shitter? Are his VNs worth reading?

>> No.16105808

>>16105788
Anegin and Kouya are the best works Romeo and Ou Jackson ever wrote, only made possible through Takahiro. The man is a visonäry and a genius,

>> No.16105864

>>16105808
I feels like this answers my question about whether Next is worth reading.

Game will probably pussy out of revealing who the canon couple in Tsuyokiss was anyway.

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So after loving Toheart 2, Utawarerumono 1-3, and White Album 2, I decided to read every Leaf/AquaPlus game. Any reason I shouldn't? They have never let me down. Next up are Kizuato, Aruruu to Asobo!!, Kimi ga Yobu, and Megiddo no Oka de.

>> No.16106234

>>16106101
Sure. You're making an amateur mistake, no offense. You're associating games with the brand/company, not those directly associated with creating the games. For example, White Album 2 is written by Maruto, a highly acclaimed author, but he didn't write any other Leaf/Aquaplus game, so the fact you liked WA2 has very little to do with whether you'll like other games by the company.

Now, I'm not saying you won't like all those leaf games, but whether you do or not has little relevance to the fact you liked White Album 2, Utawarerumono, etc.

>> No.16106359

Its probably already asked but, guys where can I buy the eroges / visual art books without the proxy price? Is there any site which sells them to the europe?

>> No.16106529

>>16100612
kek

>> No.16106560

>>16104677
Yeah, you're right, it was a difficult situation they found themselves in with that setting. But I think it would've been doable, either to change their reason for the siege to a more typical childhood rebellion like Orino's setting, or to make the entire route darker and more serious. Either would've resulted in a better, more consistent story than what they did in my opinion.

You should still read the route yourself, maybe it's just my personal bias and you'll enjoy it. Always good to have a second opinion. And it's not like it was completely shit, like I said a few scenes like the speech were great. You'll see.

Yeah, the epilogue annoyed me too, it felt like they were rubbing it in. I was expecting a doting on 3 kids scene, like Sen seemed to want, although what I really wanted was to see Sen together with Aoi and Wakana, happily living free of fear. And all we got was this disappointing few-months-later and a faceless, nameless victim's thanks.

>> No.16106754

>>16106359
In Akihabara.

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>> No.16106930

>>16106796
I don't give a shit about looking manly, bitch.

>> No.16106946

>>16095551
Isn't 世界ノ全テノ全テ supposed to be more complete? (it wasn't uploaded anywhere though)

>> No.16106972

>>16104494
Well anon? Where is the rip? You couldn't have lied on the internet, could you?

>> No.16107015

>>16106796
I've been thinking of playing that, how is it?

>> No.16107022
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>>16106930
Good news for you my friend.
>>16107015
Well, to put it lightly, bad. Ha. Maybe it's cause I've read a lot of good VNs lately but this writing is really pitiful. Very generic setting, characters, etc with largely boring conversations and ""comedy"". I glanced at the tags on EGS and apparently the porn was very highly praised, so I think this is probably only worth playing if one either likes to specifically play bad games or if one just likes imouto porn and wants a quick fap.

>> No.16107079

>>16107022
>imouto porn to fap with

Eh, why not.

>> No.16107397

https://twitter.com/sumikkosoft/status/798386070245244928

>めっちゃボリュームあるので覚悟してね
oh baby

>> No.16107462

>>16107397
I'm hyped, also fall is such an underused season in eroge, everything is about spring, winter that becomes spring or summer.

>> No.16107465

>>16107462
Fall is too gloomy as a season probably.

>> No.16107786

>>16107397
I'm ready for it

>> No.16107793

Is this thread always this dead?

>> No.16107887

>>16107793
Stop worrying about the thread, read more eroge and then you can make it livelier.

>> No.16107891

>>16107887
諒解っス

>> No.16107896

>>16107793
yes, also it's shitty moebuta town for the most part

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>>16107896

oink oink

>> No.16108292

>>16107793
Yes, it's been dying since 2013, mainly when it's lively.

>> No.16108723

Is it just me or is Chuusotsu longer than the 3-5h people made it sound like to be? I've gotten past the point where they timeleaped and Arue now has 10 followers. How many % into it am I approximately?

>> No.16108730

>>16108723
Maybe you're just slower than those 3-5 people.

>> No.16108743

>>16108730
Hence the post starts with "Is it just me".

>> No.16108792

>>16108723
Like 60% in?

>> No.16108848

>>16108723

I think someone said it's like 300kb? EGS lists 4,5,5,7. Not much data, but it'd fit with ~300kb.

>> No.16108856

>>16108848
it's 450kb

>> No.16108865

>>16108792
>>16108856
>>16108848
>450kb
Alright, good to know. That's quite a bit more than I expected, and I guess it's one of those games where I'm trying to absorb everything rather than spamming enter. Not that I'm complaining, it's pretty fun so far.

>> No.16109347

Did the Soratsuku anon ever finish it?

>> No.16109377
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EGS and whatnot says everyone one needs to know about Imobilizer but since I just finished the main, imouto route I feel like reviewing it a little.

What a mess of a game. The first problem is that the script is just plain boring, I don't think I laughed a single time and the whole scenario is just bad, the way everything plays it out is terrible. That the other three heroines started sleeping over consistently at MC's house to stop him from doing lewd things to his sister was absolutely painful and made the latter half the game (it starts just at the end of the common route) a total pain to read cause it's so actively terrible. It's good that incest isn't glazed over as totally okay/normal whatever but having other heroins constantly cock block like they do is terrible.

Which brings me to the second problem, which is that the MC is a total hetare which spoils a large portion of the game, he's always getting pushed around and bullied for really dumb reasons that made my head hurt. It also seemed very pandering, with him being "average in all ways, diligent even if weak spirited, very good at video games", etc etc basically generic positive traits to make us self insert easier. Terrible MC.

And finally, I started the game thinking of it as a sort of moege, but not long after entering the imouto route everything turned into a nukige. So many sex scenes in rapid secession it was like the story gave up, and then it ended practically out of nowhere. It was like they ran out of budget/time so they just squished together the H-cgs they had and called it a day. Very unsatisfying.

The only positive thing about this game I could see was that some of the H-scenes were pretty hot. I guess the writing was briefly nice for brief parts, I had a laugh when the imouto literally orgasmed from watching MC play video games.

Conclusion: Avoid unless you like the art and want to fap, do not fear using skip button cause you won't be missing anything good.

>> No.16109388

>>16109377
>I don't think I laughed a single time
Reword: I didn't laugh at a single joke. I did laugh AT the game sometimes, though. Cause it's bad.

>> No.16109430

>>16109377
>EGS and whatnot says everyone one needs to know about Imobilizer
For what reason

>> No.16109451

>>16109430
I meant everything.
The reviews say everything.
If you read the reviews and stuff on EGS you'll know what needs to be known.

>> No.16109458

>the MC is a total hetare which spoils a large portion of the game, he's always getting pushed around and bullied for really dumb reasons that made my head hurt.
I don't get how MCs like this even have sex, you think in most of these games the MC would be pegged by the heroines like he is figuratively in daily life but somehow he manages to put penis in vagina

>> No.16109488

>>16109458
Imouto walks into his room, talks for a bit, grabs his dick, says "look at you, hard from your sister? Ikenai, get on the floor. *MC sits*. Take your pants off right now. *MC does* So ooki, so osoroshii... shouganai WA NE I'll take care of it, this is my fault too" -> sex

The most fun I had with the game was pretending that the heroines were cursed to fall in love / be sexually aroused by MC. And it's like a horror story. Being unable to control themselves as they're drawn to MC...

>> No.16109542

>>16109488
I bet "cursed to find themselves trapped in the plot of a shitty ero-doujin" would make for an amusing read.

on the other hand, the idea of taking responsibility for causing an erection is the dumbest fucking thing and sends me into fits of eye-rolling every time

>> No.16109611

>>16105808
>Anegin

Didn't anyone shat on that when it came out? People explicitly told me not to bother with it even through I do like Majikoi.

>> No.16109639

>>16109542
Why? I am honestly quite baffled that this isn't a normal thing in society. Look slut, if you want to go outside in your hot pants that's fine but at least pay for it and take care of this bulge. If you don't wanna then appropriately cover yourself with a thick coat thank you very much.

>> No.16109654

>>16109639
with great asses comes great responsibility, I guess

>> No.16109690
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I did not know were else to go so if its ok il ask here. Should i use 蝮 or バイパー for viper?

>> No.16109707

>>16109690
wrong thread

>> No.16109717

>>16109707
please link me to somewhere were i can get a answer.

>> No.16109735

>>16109690
the latter

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>>16109735
thanks

>> No.16110019

how long is relief true route?

>> No.16110049

There's this guy skipping MC lines and narration, only reading / listening to Heroine lines.
Is that how you are supposed to go through moege?

>> No.16110099

>>16110049
No. But if he has fun doing so, why not.

>> No.16110131

>>16110049
I personally skip everything except heroine's lewd lines. Even in the supposedly "serious" games.

>> No.16110239

>>16110049
If you're capable of self-inserting hard enough, sure, why not?

>> No.16110297

Would it be self-inserting if the MC sometimes said the same thing I was thinking?

>> No.16110338

so what? is eushully going to call it quits with whoring out himegari to dmm and not do anything next year? dont they usually announce their april titles around this time

not that I would be expecting much from them

>> No.16110636

>>16110019
Longer than the other routes. Since the rest of the routes are short, the true route feels more like normal length; probably a bit more.

>> No.16110801

How did we go from THIS... https://s.vndb.org/sf/73/68573.jpg
... to THIS?
https://s.vndb.org/sf/74/68574.jpg

>> No.16110878

>>16110801
The art is pretty consistently bad though.

>> No.16110894

>>16110878
I meant her attitude. Her taido.

>> No.16110915

>>16110894
dick's a hell of a drug

>> No.16110935 [DELETED] 

January's issue of TECH GIAN is out on Noverber 21, my dear crossboarder from /vg/.

>> No.16110939

>>16110338
January's issue of TECH GIAN is out on November 21, my dear crossboarder from /vg/.

>> No.16110981

Are the ウソ games any good? Thinking about checking them since the next one is coming out later this month.

>> No.16111013

>>16099668
Can't help you with the error, but the game is really bad, dont expect anything like the first one. It's basically a terrible, terrible 3d fighting game with a short story mode shoehorned in.

>> No.16111030

What's the consensus on the routes in Tsuriotsu generally? I've heard of people only doing Luna then moving on onto the next game in the series, is hers more fleshed out or something?

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>>16111030
Luna's is very good but you're a terrible no-taste loser if you don't do YUUSHUURU FURUURU JEANU MERUUUUE's route, it's probably the only honestly good drillhair ohoho ojou-sama route in existence.

The other two girls are kinda boring though, it's embarrassing how much they're both outshined by their maids.

>> No.16111054
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>>16111044
Not really a route per se, but the Forever flower in Horobi Kuchiru was a really good take on the ohoho drilljou archetype I think.

>> No.16111059

>>16111044
Aight, noted. Minato looked like the next best choice to me after Luna so that's a bit sad to hear.

>> No.16111085

What are the suggested routes for Otoriro?

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>>16111044
>drillhair ohoho ojou-sama
this interests me but her drills seem rather lacking

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>>16111044

I was already annoyed by the "nothing fucking ever happens, and if something happens they either backpaddle and nothing happens again until they restart it, or just randomly insert an hour of nothingness between each 5 minutes of progress". So playing another route.. was just not possible.

Honestly, they should've really done "first random slice of life, then a paced story", instead of this interchanging. It feels so artificially "status quo preserving". Not the only work that does this of course, but it's rather severe here. Funny enough this year's Otome Domain's main heroine's route also has this issue to quite an extend, though the chuuni girl didn't. So maybe blonde is actually fine as well. I heard it's way shorter than Luna's route, so there's at least that.

>> No.16111476

>>16111085
The ones that aren't Bluette's.

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Well apparently even if the game is pretty shitty, as long as it has good art it'll sell good enough to make a fandisc about it.

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>>16111501
Cute sells

>> No.16111556

>>16111501
I'm actually kind of mad

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>>16111501
>still no download version

How long are they going to make me wait goddamn them?

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>>16109377
Read this next

>> No.16111745

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Z42ERHcpw

>> No.16111747
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nee-san becomes an idol. Wants her brother to make her pregnant because betraying her fans and singing and dancing on stage while secretly carrying his baby excites her.

Goddamn what a slut. Although this makes me wonder, is a girl a slut if she only wants one guy's dick?

>> No.16111748

>>16111735
I've learned my lesson about playing games with sub 70 egs scores

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>>16111745
I like this new direction Moonstone is taking.

>> No.16111792

>>16111769
Meh. Different doesn't mean good. Kure is a mediocre, if not outright bad, writer so I don't have much hopes of it being good even if it's different.

>> No.16111794

Thoughts on Sakura no Mori Dreamers?

>> No.16111807

>>16111794
bad

>> No.16111815

>>16111794
great

>> No.16111819

>>16111794
play it and decide for yourself

>> No.16111832

>>16111794
average

>> No.16112098

Can somebody tell me where Baldr Heart stores its save files?

>> No.16112214

>>16112098
Always check Documents and AppData first.
Documents > GIGA > BALDRHEART > Save

>> No.16112247

>>16111794
>kure game
its shit

>> No.16112272
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Hapymaher FD done.

Things don't quite continue too nicely after the normal end. The first stuff is still fine, but then you start to realize more and more and more repetition as well as pacing issues. Hapymaher always had the repetition problem. FD one ups it.

Once you are in the last arc of the true-ending "route", you have 6 more dreams, which basically are ~250kb total main-heroine "after"-stories. Completely unrelated to the main-story of course. Is worse pacing possible? The story finally gets towards its climax and BAM, fuck you.
And those aren't even good. They LITERALLY recycle the EXACT SAME plot they did in the main-game. Exact same shit, AGAIN. And if you've read Hapymaher you actually know that the routes ALREADY recycled most of their plot from the fucking common route chapters. So, Keiko has fucking daddy issue drama AGAIN. Wasn't enough to see this 2-3 times in the main-game already, have to do the exact same thing once more. Same for the other two and their stuff. I actually just skipped it, even Keiko's. Sure she's like my third favorite heroine of works I read this year, but there is a fucking limit.
In the end the true route just simmers off. No wonder really, couldn't have done it much worse even if tried.

Past that you get an additional "scenario" which is essentially almost only ero, because why not. Also has some sort of Maia "route" at the end, but again.. one part just does the EXACT same thing as the prequel, AGAIN. And the other option, supposedly her "ending", also just expends on something the prequel already did. (well at least it expanded on it.. fucking hell)


Yeah. Repetition. Fucking repetition. I still think it's fun, especially the first third. Porn is also fine. (though what the fuck is that random bath scene of Keiko's with that voice-filter? Ugh..) But yeah.. I dunno. They probably should've left Alice and Maia away for good and just made a real sequel and not a weird recyquel. I mean if part of the plot is the "farewell" concept... they should be gone afterwards. In their case, no wonder you gotta see the same stuff another time. Doesn't excuse it for the other characters though.

>> No.16112609

>>16111794
Better than most moonstone games, that means okay.

>> No.16112651

>>16112272
So I'd like to repeat my question since other dude didn't read the full FD if you dont mind, since its continuing from the Alice's route, are all those " ~250kb total main-heroine "after"-stories" just a dream / possibility? Does it end as a harem with all heroines or just with the Alice-Yuuko and ignore the others even though they were lovers at their dreams?

>> No.16112727

>>16111054
Oh cool, thanks a lot. I'd given up hope of finding another good one, they're forever either joke side characters or else they get turned into spineless moeblobs halfway through like in Girls Be Ambitious!.

>atashi
Gonna have to dock some points for that.

>> No.16112733

>>16112727
I didn't mind atashi at all, so our sense of values probably differ significantly, ha.

>> No.16112779

>>16112733
I don't mind it at all but an ojou's gotta have that watakushi, the grander and more self-important the better.

Am mostly just kidding though. I can't seem to find the game on the usual sites, is there a decent place for the more unknown indie games?

>> No.16112847

>>16112779
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yvz9qp7p3illv75/rmb_ns_ta.zip#_=_

>> No.16112854

>>16112847
You're a saint, thank you.

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>>16112651

Well, there are no heroine routes. And it's questionable if the "after" stories are even that, timeline-wise.

The name is basically the way the game works: Fragmented dreams.
Basically you kinda have a main-story roughly about Yuuko, where things semi start after the ending of Hapymaher. It's not quite as clear-cut though as the previous epilogue events are changed a little, but you get the situation and stuff and then the fragmented dream. There you have several scenarios you can read and unlock further ones. After x of those you get some main-story, which repeats until you have cleared them all. The main-story assumes that all paths of Hapymaher have been jumbled in a single mess, so all characters kinda know about all that happened. The MC however is the "true route" MC... though he has still the knowledge as well. There aren't a lot of scenes that do not abide to this. (i.e. what I called the "after stories" don't, as they consider the respective heroine the girlfriend, and there are also like 1-2 more per girl)

So yeah, the rest can be pretty easily guessed. Outside of the Maia-ending, which is kinda a bad ending, like in the original, it's quite Yuuko favored. I can see how one could be disappointed about that, especially after the original ending. But honestly.. I can't care anymore as the ending(s) or mainstory was in the end not exactly what you'd play this for. At all.

>> No.16112993

>>16112965
Oh thanks mate, I guess I'll not bother with the FD at all, since I was only interested in Maia's route and how did they handled the all heroines after the original game's ending.

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I don't think those buttons were a good idea.

>> No.16113172

Hey, /jp/, what VNs are recommended for those who want to learn Japanese? I can read hiragana and some katakana, but still need to remember the words.

>> No.16113178

>>16113172
Study more. And ask questions like this in DJT.

>> No.16113187

>>16113172
They're all written for natives. Just pick what looks interesting to you personally, everything is gonna be difficult regardless.

>> No.16113190

>>16113172
Read manga with furigana, you can't read VNs without at least having a few hundred kanji down.

>> No.16113252

Are the VNs regarded as impossible to translate also hard to read, or is it merely a translation problem?

>> No.16113265

>>16113252
Depends on VN. Some are easy to read but hard to translate, some are also hard to read, because peculiar writing style or rare dialects of Japanese.

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>>16113252
Depends. Sakurai is extremely simple to read but impossible to translate (pic related). But the generally regarded more 'difficult' writers like Mareni and Masada are also not really translatable (at least not while keeping authors intent, it will always end up being a massive rewrite).

>> No.16113291

>>16113273
I miss Sakurai.

>> No.16113294

>>16113273
I can tell you, unless you want to write a really stiff and awkward TL that's a pain to read, translating any VN will require quite significant rewrites. It's more difficult to rewrite Masada and Mareni but any writer will require a lot of it.

>> No.16113316

>>16113294
Well, sure, that's simply translation. Just saying some require more rewriting than others and it's easier to reflect intent if the original text already had little flavor to it.

>> No.16113493

>>16111747
She just has high libido. Best heroines.

>> No.16113496

>>16113252
What eroge are regarded as impossible to translate? The problem here probably lies with those translating eroge, whoever they are, not with the text itself. Lots of difficult Japanese texts have been translated beautifully. You can always point to sentences, passages that need to be worked around. It doesn't mean anything.

>> No.16113502

>>16113496
>Lots of difficult Japanese texts have been translated beautifully.
Like? Translations of Soseki, Dazai and Mishima are generally all frowned upon for being terrible. And some of these even have multiple translations by different "professionals".

>> No.16113503

>>16113496
Well would you like to try translating >>16113273 and preserving the original intent in full?
Really, I think it comes down to what your definition of "untranslatable" is.
If you think a good rewrite that reads well is a good translation, then nothing is untranslatable, because everything can be rewritten.
If you think a good translation has to preserve the original meaning, then plenty of things are thoroughly untranslatable.
I figure that your philosophy is that a good rewrite is a good TL even if it doesn't necessarily capture the original's meaning or intent. That's not what everyone thinks, though.

>> No.16113506

>>16113252
>impossible to translate
Possibility to translate something has less to do with how it is written in source language then with how good grasp of target language the supposed translator has. Majority of people posting here suck at that department, since they don't talk to people much.

>> No.16113531

>>16113506
>how good grasp of target language the supposed translator has.
Common misconception. If you're a translator you should have an excellent grasp on the target language. Anyone in the actual translation industry knows that having a grasp on the language is just par for the course, what really matters is being able to, you know, translate the language into another.

This is a meaningful distinction because you can have perfect grasp on the language and still be a sucky translation. Japanese people, for instance, almost always make terrible translators because their English is poor. Even for natives in both English and Japanese, there's still a really high skill ceiling for translating, because just being fluent in a language doesn't mean you'll be a good writer in another. For example, you may be able to understand the language in Dies Irae or Hello Lady perfectly, but have woefully insufficient writing talent in English to properly convey the same grandiose feeling as the originals in translation. Or, as a more common example, you may be too stuck on being literal that your translations, although being near perfect in accuracy, are just a pain to read. You may not be creative enough to convey meaning without being super literal, too, which would make for bad translations.

Basically, knowing the language is par for the course, being a good translator and tackling "impossible to translate" works is far more about being a good writer in English and have a good understanding of translation philosophy than about having good Japanese - if you don't have good Japanese, you shouldn't be translating in the first place.

>> No.16113538

>>16113531
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/target

>> No.16113541

>>16113538
>replied in less than two minutes
Yeah, I'm sure you read my post and gave it due consideration.

>> No.16113543

>>16113541
Nice, you embarrassed yourself twice. I wonder how long it'll take for you to notice and the [Deleted] to appear.

>> No.16113548

>>16113543
Ehhhh... I'll leave it up. I like my write up.

>> No.16113551

>>16113502
>Like?
Nathan's translations of Oe, Seidensticker's translation of kawabata.
>>16113503
>Really, I think it comes down to what your definition of "untranslatable" is.
Absolutely, in the end the translation has to stand on its own. That's why I said it doesn't mean anything if you can't preserve that passage in full. What matters is whether you can recreate the style over the course of the work as a whole.

>> No.16113598

>>16113502
>Translations of Mishima are generally all frowned upon for being terrible.
You know who else is frowned upon? Mishima.

>> No.16113670

>>16113551
I think your belief is a bit misguided in this discussion. I think, if you consider a translation to be something that stands on its own, then in the first place, the act of translation loses the ideas the writer wanted to convey. It ceases being translation, and becomes an exercise of writing a new work as a whole. By which I mean.

If a work has a "translation", and the "translation" fully discards the ideas the author wanted to convey to recreate a feeling, then what was "translated"? Not the original work, but rather the translator's feelings about the original work. If you abandon the original ideas, what you've got is no longer a translation, so much as, indeed, a wholly new work. I don't think you can say a work has been translated, if only the translator's feelings were conveyed. I think saying that makes translation lose a lot of meaning. In my opinion, a translation must *largely* convey the original ideas in order to be considered a valid translation of the original work. If you cannot take a work and put it in other language without preserving the original ideas, what you are doing is no longer translating, but rather writing a new work entirely.

Idea and meaning, translation and new work. I will give examples to convey my perspective. Here are two translations I consider to be actual translations because they convey the idea.

>パンを買った
>I bought bread.
This translation captures the original meaning and idea. Therefore, it is a translation.
>腹減った
>I'm hungry.
This translation captures the original idea, but not the original meaning. It is a translation, but a flawed one (in the sense that not all of the original was conveyed). This kind of thing often cannot be avoided, and is a necessary sin of translation.

Now here is an attempted translation I consider to not be an actual, successful translation.

>吾輩は猫である
>I am a cat.
This translation captures the original meaning, but not the ideas it wanted to convey. I would say here that the original has *not* been successfully translated. Although the literal meaning has been conveyed, the ideas the author wanted to convey are largely absent. Indeed, the translation "I am a cat" would be valid for such sentences as 私は猫です or 俺は猫だぜ which convey very different ideas. One could say the point of language is to convey ideas. If a translation does not convey the same ideas as the original, it cannot be said to be a translation of the original. At some point, it becomes its own work, conveying its own ideas.

Even if a writer maintains the style, or reads well, or anything... as long as it doesn't convey the *ideas* of the original, then it cannot be said to be a translation. Therefore, in my opinion, if the ideas of novel cannot be properly conveyed in another language, then that work can be said to be untranslatable. Attempted translations are nothing more than new works conveying the translator's ideas, even if the style is preserved.

.

Now where this gets messy is that every Japanese novel is just a little untranslatable, and some have a lot of untranslatable parts, but every one is at least a little translatable. I don't think there is any Japanese work which is 100% untranslatable, but I do think if a substantial portion of a work is untranslatable, the the work can be said to be untranslatable as a whole, because a novel is a complete work of art and cutting out 10% would make it cease to be itself.

>> No.16113784
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16113784

I'm reading 仄暗き時の果てより trial and I feel pretty ambivalent about it.

On one hand I like the setting, premise and characters and the text isn't painfully bad like in 竜騎士Bloody†Saga, but the MC is acting pretty stupid.

Night visit to his dead girlfriend's house sure sounds like the best idea the very night after he was attacked by a human-eating monster.

>> No.16113790

>>16113784
>kure
>bad
Who would have thought it

>> No.16113794

>>16113790
It's my first game by him.

So I guess driving the plot forward by having the characters stupid is his known fault?

>> No.16113801

>>16113784
>Sakura no Mori author
What's with this moege only writer suddenly trying to write plot games? Pass.

>> No.16113806 [DELETED] 

>>16113801
Idiot.

>> No.16113845

>>16113801
He's trying to write something interesting for once, that's a good thing, even if he isn't a good writer. Also he had attempted this with Dokoiku in 2004.

>> No.16113901

Guess I really have to read a Kure work. Judging from the few chapters of Mori Dreamer's I've read, I see absolutely no base for the hate he gets. I never finished it mostly because I'm bad with the genre, although I really like it.

I think I'll go with Natsu no Iro no Nostalgia. The two works before that have rather.. puke inducing settings. And I do believe authors adapt to what they have to write and are expected to deliver. In other words, although I had no problems with the characters in Mori Dreamers, I'm not so sure if that'd hold if all heroines have childhood promises to marry random MC-kun... if you are asked to write a moege+nukige then you gotta throw the tropes the customers expect I guess.

>> No.16113914

>>16113901
Natsu no Iro no Nostalgia is what bridled me with such distaste for him. Very sloppy work.

>> No.16113926

>>16113901
Mori Dreamer was a clear improvement compared to his previous works. He shouldn't be writing moege if he wants to improve further.

>> No.16113944

Is there no vn that has oyakodon that is not a nukige? I just want a middle aged women and her child to please my dick without it being a shitty story.

>> No.16113945

>>16113944
That premise makes it a shitty story by default.

>> No.16113946

>>16113914

I'll see. I quite liked the style of Mori Dreamers, so sooner or later I'd check Nostalgia out at the very least anyway. (and maybe some of the other ones.. sometimes a shitty setting can still result into something enjoyable..)

>>16113926

I doubt he'll anytime soon. I don't think the work before Mori Dreamers is a typical moege, and seeing how the next work is "horror" again and Mori Dreamers has a sequel announced (I think?) this is probably not stopping unless it doesn't sell I guess.

>> No.16113969

>>16113944
It's a trashy concept that only belongs in trash games
Fappable, but doesn't belong in actual good games

>> No.16113995

>>16113969
>>16113945
Monobeno has oyakodon and it's a great game.

>> No.16114147

how hard is senmmo? i've read 3 VNs, around 4mb of text total

>> No.16114150

>>16114147
It's written in Japanese, so you've got to know it.

>> No.16114153

>>16114150
3 untranslated VNs*

>> No.16114159

>>16114153
Yeah, it's written in Japanese, so you've got to know it. If you know Japanese it won't be hard, because it's written in Japanese.

>> No.16114555
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16114555

Eve Burst Error A is gonna hit in a couple of days. Anyone gonna playing it? It's an adult remake of Eve Burst Error and a sister version of sorts to Eve Burst Error R.

>> No.16114562

>>16114555
*gonna play

>> No.16114631

>>16113172
Just do what >>16113190 said. If you must take a VN, read True Tears. It's basically the easiest VN out there. The writing is very simple and it doesn't use many kanji, which is good for newbie learners.

>> No.16115028

>>16114555
Does it keep the
>MOVE LOOK TALK
type system?

>> No.16115041

>>16115028
yes, it's 100% the original game recolored

>> No.16115682

>>16114147

Why not just DL it and give it a try? It's not like you lose much if you find out it's too hard for you within the first hour (which it shouldn't be, given you've read tens of thousands of lines).

>> No.16115726
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16115726

I finally went through SNOW PE
the new girl is Shamon

>> No.16115799

>>16113670
>if the ideas of novel cannot be properly conveyed in another language
Ideas exist before words though. It should be possible to format them into any language, unlesss theis subject touches the language itself. In onther words, "if it isn't wordplay or alliteration or other kinds of poetic fuckery, it can be translated".

>吾輩は猫である
How about "Аз есмь кот"?
Jokes aside, as you said, there is the whole work, rather than parts. Does character's personality show through the way they word one line or through their whole role in the work?

>> No.16115817

>>16115799
>Аз есмь кот
Looks more literal than what we are capable of. Russians have a tradition of putting whatever they deem appropriate into translated titles. Remember female ghostbusters? Official Russian title is literally female ghostbusters, so that the two movies on't get mixed up.

>> No.16116252
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16116252

Finally finished PicaPica
Ending was pretty unsatisfying and felt like they just tacked on a 'happily ever after'

>> No.16116694

>>16113252
As much as moogy and his drones make it out to be, Japanese is not the only language on earth where "untranslatable" concepts exist. I am fucking tired of these discussions, how often do you see people reading novels sperg out all day about how impossible something would be to translate? Why does it always happen when western people discuss eroge, is it because moogy forced that shit so hard he bent the reality itself so people believe it? Go talk to any random guy learning Japanese to read eroge, in every case he's going to tell you how no decent eroge translation exist and basically you have no business judging eroge unless you read them in the original.

>> No.16116706

>>16116694
You see all this stuff about Japanese cause you're a weeb.
If you branch out you'll see people making the same kind of comments out normal literature translations too, in particular Russian and German I see people half-memeing half-seriously say you have to read the original to understand them properly.
Additionally it's important to note that literature translators have a lot more experience and learning, whereas eroge translators sometimes don't even properly know Japanese, the quality difference is pretty significant most of the time.

>> No.16116747

>>16116706
>you have to read the original to understand them properly
Or you can just read TL notes.

>> No.16116779

>>16116747
That's like saying you can play a game by reading the walkthrough, or watch a movie by reading the screenplay. It's not the same, you'll still be missing stuff. Not to mention, the amount of TL notes we'd be talking about would be about one one every other line or something to that ridiculous degree, at that point reading would be a pain and unnatural.

>> No.16117238

>>16116252
Shame about her route, I really liked Makoto.

>> No.16117540

I'm actually kind of curious as to what English words don't really translate to other languages.

>> No.16117551

>>16117540
Not thread related.

>> No.16117601

>>16117551
I suppose. It just makes me think of some of the loan words Japanese picked up like 'lucky' since the closest equivalent to the concept didn't really mean the same thing.

>> No.16117603

>>16117540
From what I can tell, "nigger" doesn't carry the same feeling when translated to Chinese.

>> No.16117821

Are there any visual novel podcast or vlogs? I know a lot of blogs but nothing that I can listen to while I am busy. Obviously I mean in vlogs or podcasts in Japanese.

>> No.16117924

>>16115726
Did you like it?

>> No.16117930

>>16117924
Snow is a game you'll like if you like key stuff.

>> No.16117943

>>16117930
I played the first hour or so a couple months ago. Some of the voices really annoyed me so if I played it I might have to turn them off.

>> No.16117956

Where do I get walkthroughs for untranslated games? Reading Fortissimo and I want to read the good routes not the new side ones I heard were kinda trash.

>> No.16117967

>>16117956
just google title + kouryaku

>> No.16118001

>>16117930
Oh it seems interesting since I really liked key's older stuff like kanon or one and this game definitely has that kind of aura. Apparently its a very well liked as well, thanks for the recommend.

>> No.16118028

>>16117956

Either what was said already or directly at seiya-saiga.

That said, Fortissimo 1 enforces the main-story first, kinda. You can still get some new content though, but as a general rule of thumb.. stick to Sakura I suppose? Or just use the walkthrough over at seiya-saiga. That one's first play-through is essential as ideal as it can get, including your typical "save here for easy further collection" stuff.

>> No.16118142

How come Chuusotsu was uploaded instantly but we still don't have a Seabud guy

>> No.16118148
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16118148

Okay this is great. Guess the author is at least self-aware how Aya's route was in the first game. Not like people cared I suppose. Route was still great.

>> No.16118161

>>16118142
I'm uploading it now.

>> No.16118274

>>16118161
T-Thanks

>> No.16118370

Is there a list of upcoming titles that are going to use that darn online DRM?

>> No.16118405
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Anyone know what the differences between these are? They both launch the game without problems from what I can tell. No readme came with it

>> No.16118468

>>16118405
_fix is probably a nodvd. Unmount the disc and try launching the regular exe.

>> No.16118477

>>16118468
The game came pre-installed (lol), so both start without difficulties

>> No.16118542

Akikuru trial is up.

>> No.16118546

>>16117956
Fortissimo has so few choices that you don't even need a walkthrough. Just turn on all skip options and Ctrl through everything you want (or use auto-skipping). There's a mode for you to re-read the whole story, divided by scenes.

>> No.16118573

>>16118142
https://mega.nz/#!GVZQULjT!zqD2zU0lnxBHBvg-EGU-hPxU-w8sCqlBs2iA2x0vUfk

Here you go. Reminder to still support the people who made it if you can. The game is cheap.

>> No.16118588

>>16118542
Not on their website.

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>>16118573
Thanks

>> No.16118878

>>16095416
They all have the same face.

>> No.16118889

>>16115028
Yes, but seen lines are yellow-colored and there's a hint mode that tells you where to go next and when to switch to the other protag.

>> No.16118947

>>16095416
Welcome to kishige.

>> No.16118995

Can someone recommend chuunige with high pace battles?

>> No.16119004

Any decent eroge with tomboy main girl that is not Subahibi?

>> No.16119018

>>16119004
https://vndb.org/v972
Some people may consider this to be decent.

>> No.16119039

Is there a Japanese site like vndb?

>> No.16119051

>>16119039
egs

>> No.16119058

>>16119051
Thank you

>> No.16119084

>>16114147
hi ghost kill yourself just read whatever without worrying about difficulty since you're fucking bad at everything anyway it's going to be hard no matter what

>> No.16119258

Iam reading 見上げてごらん、夜空の星を. And Iam really enjoying every moment, it's not just the writing is good, the whole production and quality of the game is over the top. If it wasn't for Sakura no Uta this would have won the moege award for last year. Iam Asta Konno fan now, no wonder this guy is friend with Scaji.
By the way, is it ok to go straight to Hikari route? I really don't like Saya, and I heared that that other two heroines are just fillers.

>> No.16119268

Since both Chuusotsu and Seabed got uploaded, can you guys complete the favor and upload 西暦2236年?
Iam really tired of waiting for the English version. I'll still buy it when it comes out in two years.

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>>16118542
I blame you for killing their servers

>> No.16120108

>>16117821
Onsen has many official eroge podcasts.
http://www.onsen.ag/

Choose ゲーム from the sidebar to filter them. You need a Japanese IP to listen, though. If you want to download the mp3 then use this
http://www.onsen.ag/easy/easy.php

>> No.16120194

>>16119258
Hikari route is the main route.

You aren't missing much if you dont play Saya route so if you don't like her there isn't a reason to play it.

Also, do yourself a favour and ignore the other 2 routes.

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16120202

The mega link above for SeaBed is legit.

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16120400

Why?!!
They actually don't make VNs like these anymore?

>> No.16120434

>>16120400
Too much work for little payoff

>> No.16120446

>>16120400
most if not all of those are garbage but i think rondo duo is a flash game and the company behind it has made many similar titles

>> No.16120452

>>16120400
Why not just watch anime?

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16120987

>>16120202

Guess it's time for a yuri break? Let's see if this will be another exception to "all yuri VN suck". I only really know one exception so far (and even that one has sucking parts, but so do have most eroge really) Oh and pic not related, obviously.

>> No.16121002

>>16120987
If you read it for yuri you will be disappointed. It's just a good story.

>> No.16121005

>>16121002
Sure, 'good'.

>> No.16121184

People complain about kyonyuu a lot but I was just looking for a real big tit moege from 20015-20106 and came up largely dry. Disappointing.

>> No.16121212

>>16121184
>moege
>kyonyuu
You're literally everything wrong with the industry.

>> No.16121227

>>16121212
I'm going to be sleep deprived for awhile and want to read something that doesn't need too much thinking, so moege. Kyonyuu is a facet of that, easy to keep attention and stay awake by staring at tachie. Everyone has their own circumstances anon

>> No.16121241

Someone finish the Akikuru trial yet? How long is it?

>> No.16121274

>>16121241
I can't even finish downloading it. Getchu is usually fast for me, but of course this time everything is slow

>> No.16121358

>>16121227

You may have too big.. standards then. (oh the puns)
What people generally complain here about is stuff like Floral Flowlove or Gin'iro, Haruka. It may not be that "kyonyuu" when you apply nukige standards, but it definitely fits the bill and even if you like your normal to big size, it's just too much.

Personally I feel like once you get close to "one tit is as big as the head", it's over. If it's actually as big or even bigger than it's just fucking ugly in my opinion. People disagree, to a point that there's even the fetish where the tits are bigger than the rest of the whole body.. but yeah. Extremes.

>> No.16121396

>>16121358
If I can still see the rest of the girl behind her tits, they're not big enough.

>> No.16121403

>>16121358
D&D was the biggest offender of that this year. At least Liarsoft apologized on twitter and said they'll make them smaller next time.

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>>16121403

That sounds kinda funny. "Sorry about the big tits dear customer. We'll make sure to create smaller tits next time so the tits don't cover all the screen and cover the text".

>>16121396

I recommend a zooming program (or just the windows function). Then you can zoom in on the tits and not see anything else, just gotta deal with the pixels. But I mean, you gotta be used to those anyway, right? Pic related.

>> No.16121577
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16121577

Well Gusha no Kyouben certainly has lower production values than I expected but I'll give it some time to recover.

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Heh

>> No.16122144

>>16122133
What's that from? An eroge fighting game?

>> No.16122160

>>16122144
Anon...

>> No.16122166

>>16122160
Ohh, it has to be Baldr Heart. I guess that should have been obvious, but I haven't played Baldr.

>> No.16122327

>>16122166
It's the new dies irae

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>>16122327

So it has lot's of gay shipping? Cool.

>> No.16122683

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLODwCiwG6k

>> No.16122714

>>16122683
>Hamashima Shigeo
How many of them are going to die

>> No.16122956

>>16119268
Someone should upload the new version of sayooshi while we're at it, too.

>> No.16122971

>>16122956
And the BDPG one while we're at it

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16122988

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoey8VSvY-w

>> No.16123005

>>16120108
I keep getting access denied errors. Is it one of those sites that only allow Japanese IPs?

>> No.16123056

>>16122988
She loses the weight? Boring.

>> No.16123090

>>16119268
Someone should upload Dei Gratia no Rashinban too

>> No.16123188

>>16122683
That's a cool OP.

>> No.16123238

>>16121241
At this rate I think the download time will be longer than the trial. I'm hovering between 4 and 6 hours here, but that's me downloading from the main site proper. If there's a better place that's gaijin-IP-friendly I'd be all ears.

Kinda bummed imouto does not appear to be a route.

>> No.16123448

>>16123238
Getchu?

>> No.16123466

>>16123238
It took me 6 hours from Getchu. Time to play it now.

>> No.16123510

>>16123090
It's on otomedream

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Is the old Aggregator way better than using visualnovelreader? Or was this just a wacky/messy line for the machine to translate?

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>>16123552

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>>16123552

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>>16123552

>> No.16123730
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>>16123552

>> No.16123746

>>16123552
Can I use fhc's dictionary with this for the ultimate machine TL experience

>> No.16124109

>>16123552
You might ditch that stuff and make up your own stories to go with the pretty pictures. Seems like just as accurate.

>> No.16124120

>>16123552
There are people that would rather suffer through this than learn Japanese. There are people that would gladly read an edited version of mtl.

>> No.16124139

>>16123005
Yeah I said so in the same post. Just connect to a public JP VPN and get the mp3s, it takes a minute tops.

>> No.16124143

>>16124120
There were people who literally waited for 6 years for the Fate/Hollow Ataraxia translation. It's beyond me.

On-topic: what happened with INO? His art is really degenerating fast. Did the whole Otome Function debacle killed him mentally? Seems like all my favorite artists turn to shit.

>> No.16125004

>>16124143
>There were people who literally waited for 6 years for the Fate/Hollow Ataraxia translation. It's beyond me.
I know a guy who has been waiting for Baldr Sky TL. Told him a fuckton of times to start learning Japanese already but he still waits. Heck, the game is 7 years old already.

>Seems like all my favorite artists turn to shit.
That happens to me too. A lot of artists, for some reason, deliberately change their art even if that means destroying years of improving. A shining example would be GIGA's previous Baldr artist. His art began to get worse since BS Dive 2, and now it's beyond recognizable: https://yande.re/post/show/373544

>> No.16125303

yessss akikuru trial finally finished, here I go

>> No.16125322

>>16125303
or the installation could fuck up because my internet cut out during the download because fucking cat

looks like another 6 hours it is then
fug

>> No.16125338

>>16125322
>8 hours

Are you using a water steam modem?

>> No.16125355

>>16125338
no, I'm just an idiot, the main site's dl is slow as balls but the mirror sites are fine.

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16125473

>>16125355
You could just use holyseal...

>> No.16125525

>>16125473
alright got it, but thanks

Mihaya's aroused manic laughter is a miracle of the universe

>> No.16125548

amazing facts about animal penises and cute girls screaming out curse words in public

ahh, how I've missed you, Watanabe

>> No.16125647

>>16125473
What's that download manager?

>> No.16125726
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>>16125647

>> No.16125784
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This isn't right Kiss, your assumptions are flawed. If the ordering of atoms in the universe was arranged randomly repeatedly for infinite time, then yes you would be correct. But randomness as we think of it is an illusion created by human perception. The universe doesn't behave purely randomly at all, and hence there's no way to logically conclude that every possible sequence of events will occur. I reject your worldview.

>> No.16125799

>>16125784
ah but quantum mechanics allows for even the breaking of the laws that the universe and those particles are bound to

we've already calculated probabilities such as all the atoms in your body suddenly teleporting across a room, they're astronomically large but like she says, faced with infinity, astronomically large is still a guarantee

just finished that part myself, Kiss is giving me shovel-loli from Natsukumo vibes

>> No.16125997

>>16125799
Assuming randomness of the level created by quantum mechanics, her statement still doesn't hold, because the probabilities are so infinitesimally tiny that they converge. In the same way you can have infinitely-increasing sequences that never increase beyond a certain value, if the probabilities of events occurring is sufficiently small in comparison with the number of branching points of these events, as is true in quantum probabilities at a macro level, than it will literally never occur even on an infinite timespan. It's like trying to find a bijection between the naturals and the reals, although they're both infinite, it's impossible.

>> No.16126012

>>16125997
I'm afraid my tiny primate mind doesn't really follow most of what you've said, but I won't ask you to explain.

perhaps I'll just wait and see what they do with this. and if it's wrong, honestly I'd rather it be entertaining than accurate.

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>>16126012
>I'm afraid my tiny primate mind doesn't really follow

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>>16126012
Yeah I wholeheartedly agree with you, of course an entertaining story is the primary aim of the VN. Science exists to enhance the story and make it more enjoyable, not the other way round.

I'm pretty sure she's just saying all this to troll MC anyway after this. Best girl.

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>>16126024

>> No.16126070

>>16126041
I choose to interpret her lesson as such that, the next time I open my eyes, maybe a Kiss will be there in front of me. You can't prove it isn't impossible given a theoretically infinite number of possibilities.

Ayumi is turning out to be a lot more likeable than I thought. The smouldering rage under the surface is a nice twist on the childhood friend type.

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>>16126045
that looks interesting, picked up

>> No.16126101

>>16126094
I wouldn't recommend it unless you really like stab-happy pointlessly violent yandere types a lot.

>> No.16126106

>>16125997
I don't think this is a comparable scenario to countably infinite and non countable sets. I would say its analagous to finding any random very long number within pi. If we consider the sequence of cumulative probability, it will not converge, because the probability of the number being at one location in pi is the same of it being in any other. The infinite sum of infinitely many very small but equal terms is infinite. The loli is correct.

>> No.16126111

>>16126106
Scratch pi, that's probably a poor example. In it's place just consider an irrational number whose decimal representation consists of random digits 0-9.

>> No.16126118

>>16126101
always interested in yandere

>> No.16126145

>>16126118
godspeed then, you might even make it out alive if you play your cards right.

>> No.16126170

Akikuru trial comes out. People start to discuss quantum theory. Ok.

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>>16126106
>because the probability of the number being at one location in pi is the same of it being in any other
Exactly my point. With pi the probability of it being in any location is identical, while with quantum randomness, it's obviously much more likely to be in a position very close to its current location than in somewhere further away, which is why the analogy fails.

>>16126070
Personally I'm really liking Saorin, I shouldn't have called best girl so early. I love her kind of denpa so much.

>> No.16126202

>>16126174
but hold on a moment here, my tiny primate brain is telling me that her thought experiment or troll experiment or whatever only involved an infinite number of elementary particles recreating other copies of MC.

obeying the laws of physics as we know them, shouldn't those particles simply gravitate towards each other, form stars, planets, etc. and so on until eventually they make identical copies of some deviant who smooched his sister in a pitch-black bunker somewhere?

and those tits are distractingly large but she herself is pretty fun, I was worried she was going to be the NO FUN ALLOWED violent type.

I'm putting money down now that imouto is endgame, however. site CG previews give her a sex scene and she has first girl status.

>> No.16126220

>>16126170
its like you weren't even here for the liber 7 trial

>> No.16126229

>>16126220

Guess I wasn't. I only remember "what are girls made of?".

>> No.16126237

there is a distressing amount of implied, suggested, recommended, or otherwise vividly described damage to the genital area in this trial already

>> No.16126272

I'm in a thread about prurient Laotian flipbooks and I want to tell people to read the Sequences.

What has gone wrong with my life?

>>16126111
Most people call what you are looking for normal numbers.

>> No.16126281

>>16126272
Sequences?

>> No.16126290

>>16126281
Some bullshit pseudo-science by con artist Judkowsky.

>> No.16126302

>>16126202
Basically, the only reason all possibly existences are made is because of the randomness assumption. If particles are obeying laws of cause and effect, than the argument doesn't hold.

Also I hope you're right about imouto, but my guess is she's going to be more a side heroine like Onee-chan in Natsukuru, given how she's not listed as a main character.

>>16126272
You mean, what has gone right with your life? Could there be any higher calling than porn games about mutilating genitals and quantum mechanics?

>> No.16126307

So I'm assuming Akikuru gets a lot quicker to the exciting stuff than the previous two huh?

>> No.16126330

>>16126307
There's the same amount of implied mysterious background/past events stuff going on, but this time the setting itself is laid out pretty quick.

there's genetic tinkering, armed uprisings, quantum nukes, super powers, and big anime tiddies all in the space of an hour or two or three if you're slow like me.

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>>16126307
>exciting stuff

You mean tits? Clearly you must mean tits. Just looking at the game's promo art and you know the game is all about tits.
That said I'd assume Harukuru is still best at "getting to tits fast".

>> No.16126354

>>16126330
Well I guess there has to be a lot more stuff since the rumors were the game is 3+MB this time

>> No.16127300

Question. You know how you can drag around the windows in certain VNs to customize the resolution? Well I accidentally did that but now don't know how to turn it back into the native reso. There is nothing for the resolution in the options. I already tried making it full screen and back to window mode but it didn't help.

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>>16127300
you're most likely fucked.

Try rightclicking the icon in the left upper corner and there might be an option for it there. Or if your game has it: see pic.

I just did it myself with chuusotsu and there's no way to turn it back though.

The only way is to open a 720p picture and overlay it with the window and try to make the window the same size.

>> No.16127337

>>16127300
your best bet is to find and delete the settings config file

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>>16127335
>I just did it myself with chuusotsu and there's no way to turn it back though.
That's exactly what I was asking for heh.
>>16127337
Is it one of these?

>> No.16127434

>>16127402
Just keep renaming files one by one adding _ at the end, then launching game and testing if it worked.

>> No.16127452

>>16127402
renaming datasu.ksd in savedata fixed it for me. You might want to try that.

>> No.16127471

>>16127452
Yup worked. I also got a bit confused because the native resolution of the game is apparently 1284x724

>> No.16127544
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Completed akikuru trial.
Ends at OP.
It's not ridiculously long like snu like I was hoping it to be but I'm still satisfied with it.

You get the screen after where you can see each heroines hscene,.

>> No.16127560

>>16127544
Oh man I'm so excited for this game. I feel like this will be better than the previous two already

>> No.16128261

>Seisai no Resonance looks amazing
>apparently considered shit
Fuck. Anything else in that style? Not the gameplay aspect but female protag in a not-otome/nukige game.

>> No.16128376

>>16128261
It's the best you're going to get.

>> No.16128401

>>16128261
>considered shit
By who

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>>16128401

>> No.16128416

>>16128401
Everyone who played it. It's also 66 on EGS.

>> No.16128495

>>16128261
>female protag in a not-otome/nukige game
SubaHibi has multiple protagonists and three out of five are girls. First half of Remember11 stars a female protagonist. Himawari's second route also has a female protagonist.
Then there's Chuusotsu. Or you could just pick up a yuri game.

>> No.16128522

>>16128495
What I want is basically a yuri game that is more like a normal eroge rather than the average yurige like Flowers, SonoHana etc. From what I can tell Seisai no Resonance is the only one of its kind unfortunately, I'm guessing there's no market for this.

>> No.16128527 [DELETED] 

>>16128522
https://vndb.org/v5451

>> No.16128545

>>16128527
That's one of the oldest and most masculine MCs I've seen.

>> No.16128563

>>16128545
I'm tired and I skipped over "yuri" when reading the post. Also don't trust the character page, Haru is the protagonist.

>> No.16129084

>>16126174
I suppose I just don't get what you're talking about by quantum randomness. I'm not playing the trial of that game and my physics knowledge is limited to simple calc based physics. We're not considering the probability of a copy of the person existing somewhere in the universe assuming complete randomness?

>> No.16129164

>>16129084
not that guy but that is what she's talking about, yeah. she takes the infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters creating the complete works of Shakespeare thing and applies that to an infinite number of elementary particles (the most basic building blocks wot everything is made of) in an infinite amount of space; according to loli, the probability of them forming other copies of the MC is a sure thing, because infinity.

the sticking point as far as I can tell seems to be whether true randomness exists and what that means for a theoretically infinite number of combinations

personally I'm very happy loli quotes Feynman on how you're better off not asking *why* something is the way it is with quantum mechanics, because nobody knows why. this feels like a very relevant quote.

>> No.16129221

Do I seriously need Quantum Mechanics knowledge to enjoy akikuru?

>> No.16129227

>>16129164
Okay yeah then she is right if she is assuming randomness, but yeah that is a big assumption.

>> No.16129228

>>16129221
If you were able to handle the previous two games you'll be fine.

>> No.16129245

>>16129221
I would say you appreciate it a lot more, having an understanding of the topics discussed means you actually know what they're talking about. Otherwise there'd just be sections of the game where you're staring blankly at the text with a question mark floating above your head, right?

>> No.16129248

>>16129221
It's not like the Watanabe understands quantum mechanics either. It's mostly just string theory (at least in Natsukumo, haven't played the Akikuru trial yet) which is basically a joke among physicist at this point.

>> No.16129250

>>16129221
What's it like being a Newtonian Only Peasant in 2016, nerd?

>> No.16129256

>>16129221
they spell out pretty much everything for you, and it's mostly scifi eroge staples like the double slit experiment which I know at least MLA used.

the talk in this thread is just whether or not some of the stuff the characters are discussing is real-world valid.

>> No.16129264

>>16129248
I get the impression he skims wikipedia.jp articles for ideas and then goes from there, and that's fine by me since that's all I do as well.

You should get on the trial, it's real good.

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>>16129264
Yeah, the fiction really outweighs the science in his work and that's just fine in my book. I'm not going to read an eroge if I want a lection on theoretical physics.

Also, installing the trial now. It's the only game I'm hyped for this year.

>> No.16129298

>>16129281
Not to prime you unnecessarily but so far it's at least as good as Spring and Summer. I had some pretty high hopes/expectations going in and it's actually surpassing them.

Only complaint I guess is that silly bro character has been replaced with a literal social justice warrior. Who is still a cool guy(?) but he's not so quick on the uptake with the dirty jokes.

>> No.16129354

Damn seeing all this akikuru hype makes me want to play the trial but I haven't played the other two games yet. Would that be a problem?

>> No.16129366

>>16129354
>Would that be a problem?
It would be a problem in the sense that Harukuru has lower production values and a really bad start so if you play the others you'll likely be disappointed by Harukuru

>> No.16129381

>>16129354
Just play the others first, they're good games.

>> No.16129391

>>16129354
They aren't connected by story if that's what you mean. If you want to play them and want the best experience that's really all you need to know.

>> No.16129405

Am I supposed to take science and philosophy in eroge seriously? When I read eroge writers quoting great authors it makes my eyes roll so far back in my head I can't see straight anymore, especially when there were oppai or pantsu jokes going on before that.

>> No.16129415

>>16129405
If you're a moebuta you probably lack the function in your brain to appreciate witty writing, so no.

>> No.16129416

>>16129405
Don't get caught up in the small stuff friend. If writing is good it's good, even if the author also makes lewd jokes.

>> No.16129424

>>16129405
deep thought and anime tiddies are not mutually exclusive. the end goal is to be entertaining; the two are entertaining for different reasons but it's always good to mix things up.

or are you one of those people who think that the two are somehow separate, like philosophy and the sciences are in a magical, pure realm far beyond the fleshbags who think about them?

in the end a good story is about people, and the cool thing about people is that they are capable of thinking about both quantum mechanics and bouncing tits. sometimes even at the same time.

>> No.16129429

>>16129405
If I hear about Schrodinger's Cat one more fucking time, I swear to god.
For plot authors it's probably as prevalent as 「ご飯にする? お風呂にする? それとも私?」 is for moege authors.

>> No.16129447

>>16129429
I just want someone to recognize it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. It doesn't come up in Japanese stuff much if at all but the Stanford prison experiment is the same shit.

>> No.16129453

>>16129429
>ご飯にする? お風呂にする? それとも私?

That's just a Japanese thing in general. Just like "there's nothing better than a cold beer after work". That stuff actually happens. In reality.

>> No.16129455

>>16129453
Prove it.

>> No.16129464

>>16129453
>That stuff actually happens. In reality.
Are you sure about that? It's super cheesy even to me a foreigner so someone actually born in the culture would surely think it's too cheesy to say too.

>> No.16129479

>>16129464
I have no idea about that specific phrase, but the thing about cliches is that they're cheesy and tiresome because they happen so often.

Though I suppose it's very possible that cliches can be born out of fiction, bypassing the whole real world equivalent entirely.

>> No.16129480

>>16129455
>>16129464
http://kotaku.com/5484581/japan-its-not-funny-anymore

Yes, it's Kotaku and no, that doesn't matter.

>> No.16129501

>>16129480
Obviously just skimmed it, but what matters isn't kotaku, what matters is 1) it's all an unsourced diatribe by a single individual from his perspective entirely 2) I ctrl F'd the quote and it doesn't show up once so that article has no relation to whether that particular phrase is used in real life.

>> No.16129512

>>16129501
>"There's nothing quite so delicious as a cold beer after a hard day of work!"

I also know from a guy who lives in Japan that they're actually talking like that. Obviously that's just second hand knowledge so take it as you want.

>> No.16129518

>>16129512
I mean, pretty much every culture has set phrases, I'm only concerned about that specific phrase.
And also that if you want to prove a statement you shouldn't link to unsourced diatribes. Kind of looks bad.

>> No.16129537

>>16129518
>unsourced

I wonder what sources you want. Video proof? You have accounts of it and examples in your games. For me it's solid enough. And like >>16129479 said, there's a reason why it's such a cliché.

>> No.16129552

>>16129537
> For me it's solid enough.
I don't think you can call it "solid" just because it confirms your biases you've gotten from other second hand accounts and stuff you've seen in video games. I mean, whether it's actually right by circumstance or not is one thing, but whether it's "solid" is another. No unsourced article of a guy ranting will ever be a "solid" source of anything except that guy's opinion.

>> No.16129582

>>16129552
Not like the article is my only evidence, like I said I know a guy who lives in Japan, was married to a Japanese woman and works with them. Of course, that's still not a "valid source" but I think you're taking that stuff too seriously. We aren't trying to solve the Kennedy case here.

>> No.16129600

>>16129582
Well I'm not taking it too seriously, I was just noting that linking Kotaku as a source when it itself has no meaningful sources

>> No.16129622

>>16129600
I'm still trying to figure out what sources you demand.

>> No.16129629

>>16129622
I have not demanded a source a single time. Just noted that linking an unsourced opinion piece is not compelling evidence.

>> No.16129650

>>16129480
>New anime sux and is for perverts! Old anime is so much better!
Yep, it's Kotaku alright.
>Japan sux because it won't cater to my autistic vegan bullshit!
Stopped reading there. Good thing, too, because it looks like it goes on for an eternity and a half about the various ways he's unable to adjust to a foreign culture.

>> No.16129747

>>16129650
But anime is shit, that's not wrong.

>> No.16129816

>>16129747
Maybe, but that's at least as true for old anime as it is for new anime.

>> No.16129835

What's the order of the Ikusa Megami games?

>> No.16129846

>>16129835
https://vndb.org/p268
From top to bottom

>> No.16130718

New thread
>>16130715
>>16130715

>> No.16131613

>>16129835
Zero -> Genrin 1&2 -> Verita -> Memoria -> IM2

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