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>So I heard Godzilla is getting his hands on these.

Would USA ever let Japan buy the F22? It seems if any country would be able to purchase it, it would be Japan.

>>1609175
Yeah. The Chinese are turning into the evil guys along with Russia, and America is in need of strong allies in the region.

>>1609178
Japan would be better placed if they tried to form a northeast asian defence group, of course it would never happen, but this whole alliance with america is laughable in terms of what it's foundations are.

What the ADFX-01? pssh that plane has nothing on the R-103 delphinus!

Power to Neucom!

Is dis sum Ace Combat?

They'll sell to whoever's buying.

>>1609175
Pretty sure the US isnt going to sell their most advanced fighter to some other country.

>>1609187
I'm sure there was talk of it a few years back.

>>1609181
ADF-01.

ADFX-01 is the Morgan.

>>1609195
Yeah I noticed that mistake after I posted.


anyways why dont we just give the the JSDF the XFA-27.

its clearly the best, and its the most unknown of all the superplanes.

not made by nuecom or general resources

>>1609198
Put some COFFIN technology on it, and we have a deal.

>>1609190
The question is why would japan spend a ton money on a practically useless airplace in their situation, i really dont think they need the best Superiroty fighter in the world, japan has only North Korea to worry about and north koreas airforce is made of Mig-21. Japan is probably going for the F-35 it's ten times chapter and it's multipurpose and it has VTOL. It also beats everything China and North Korea can throw at them.

>>1609204
PLAF showed off that new fighter of their own, only 3rd generation but it's pretty decent. Turkey put in an order for 100 F-35 also :/

>>1609204
God damnit, check your spelling.

The F-22 is key for maintaining air superiority, but the JSF is a decent plane that has benefited from being designed after the F-22 was completed.

>>1609218
Too lazy.
>>1609214
China only has the J-series and it's quite crap mostly made of copys of existing western fighters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
China cant hope to be a high tech military force if the UK spends more money on arms.

>>1609175
fucking idiot, gtfo

>>1609222

Military spending is a waste of money unless you are in Africa.

So I heard the JSDF is getting their hands on these.

>>1609221
You cant really call the 187 planes the US will have by 2011 key to air superiority... the other planes in the US Air Force play a much bigger role.

>>1609230
Don't mind me, just sticking a VF-0 here.

>>1609227

So I heard the JSDF is getting their hands on these.

>>1609227
Not really what if you're the US and you want Oil?

>>1609222
It's been increasing in double digits for some time now though.

>>1609239
>JSDF
>Thunderbird 2
ठ_ठ

>>1609230
Acquisition by next year, refurbishing by 2010. But I, for one, welcome our new Zentraedi overlords.

>>1609248
Maybe the Meltrandi will take us Anon in for husbands...

>>1609240

The US doesn't need to take oil by force. It can be bought for a fair price from many countries even if one or two major suppliers refuse to give it to the US for some reason, and if all else fails, they have plenty of their own in Alaska.

So I heard the JSDF is getting their hands on these.

>>1609252
Have fun with your highly inefficient Jet powered VF-0

I'll be kicking ass in my VF-1 with Thermal Nuclear Reaction engines.

>>1609181
It's a fair fight.
I like the laser.

>>1609263
Watch a movie called Zeitgeist and then you'll see what your government does.

>>1609298
Oh hell no.

>>1609298

You don't believe that do you?

I mean, every country defends it's own interests, it's all one big 'great game' played out by great powers. But conspiracy bullshit is just as bad as thinking 'humanitarian intervention' means anything.

hien and mao mao will sort whatever air battles japan have to deal with, timestop and homing shurikens will give them the edge even if theyre in older machines

>>1609298
Is this what Europeans actually believe?

>>1609298

I don't know what that movie is, give me a summary.

Anyway, I've been arguing for years that military spending is a waste of money because imperialism is dead. A country needed a strong military in the olden days, because if they were too weak, they would be invaded by a stronger power to take all their resources and land.

But the way the world is set up now, it is NOT okay to randomly conquer a country. A giant coalition of UN nations would send forces to stop them. See: Iraq invading Kuwait, getting its ass handed to them.

Go ahead and bring up Russia vs Georgia. Russia actually had a good reason for going into Georgia, and it was NOT to conquer it and take all their shit. Let's say Russia went nuts and randomly invaded, I don't know, Poland. That would not be okay, and many nations would team up and stop them.

>>1609308
Didnt mean the conspiracy bullshit. But hell even the Bush administration said it knew Sadam had no WMDs and it was pure oil business and reconstruction business.

>>1609340
I think the ultimate aim of Iraq was just the establishment of a client state, like when Rome and Parthia used to fight whenever a King of Armenia who was not in one or the other's interests was placed on the throne.

This is the final state. A World with No Boundaries we'll create. Neither nations nor nationalities have any meaning. We will erase these unnecessary borders.

>>1609332

No, we believe America are just idiots and the EU is a piggy bank.

>>1609334
I agree with everything you said, think the world should spends 4 times as much on space programs then on military but whatever it's crazy Americans always saying they want to defend the country ... except no one knows from what... the latest Zeitgeist movies is about how the World banks controls the world etc... dont know if it's true but it's a fun watch.

>>1609345

too bad buddy, this twisted game needs to be reset. We will start over from zero with this V2. And trust the future to the next generation.

>>1609334
Most of this has been fairly obvious since World War II, but military forces aren't as completely defunct as you make them out to be. They still have a role to play.

>>1609373
I should have died that day. But I didn't. I dragged my wounded body and reached ground zero of the nuclear detonations. A barren, empty land. I felt an unbearable sadness when I witnessed that landscape. There were still people living there. They were the ones that saved me.

It may be true that the world has no need of borders. But would getting rid of them really change anything? The world won't change for the better unless we trust people. Trust is vital in a peaceful world. But that will never happen. I'm still on the battlefield. Right now I'm near a border. I want to see for myself what borders really mean and what their volition really is. I may not find what I'm looking for, but I still want to try. Anyway, that's what I've come to believe, and I think that's enough.

>>1609374

Yeah, I'm not saying that all militaries should be TOTALLY disbanded. You still need enough to keep up a decent appearance and participate in whatever minor operations. But spending a significant sum is a waste. Exceptions: African countries like I said, because they need the military just to keep power in the first place. North Korea is a funny situation, because a big reason why everybody is starving over there is because they spend far too much money on the military, but if they don't, the shitty government will be overthrown.

I'm Canadian, and people always make fun of our military. I actually think that what we have is already too much. No one would ever think of invading us. And even if the US decided to go apeshit and invade, we couldn't stop them.

>>1609298
zeitgeist is another fucking shitty conspiracy theory with no real evidence to support it.

>>1609408
military service is more agreeable, it's more admirable to have a nation of citizen soldiers, like the roman republic.

>>1609408
It's not just about protecting the home country, it has more to do with having political clout and being able to extend protection to weaker allies.

But yeah, excessive military spending is a bit silly.

>>1609175
no, they have requested the F-22 many times, and the US defense dept. has turned them down every time.

i saw we DON'T give them the f-22. they didn't spend any of the ~$60 billion to develop the damn thing, and they want a free ride? they can fuck off and develop their own super fighter.

>>1609421
>military service is more agreeable, it's more admirable to have a nation of citizen soldiers, like the roman republic.
Except in Japan, members of the JSDF are looked down upon because the thought is that they couldn't find/get a better job elsewhere.

>>1609408

Dude, our fighter and helicopter aircraft are falling apart in midair, we have 0 ability to airlift our own troops anywhere and we have to pay other countries out of our nose fro them to do it for us, almost all our units are understrength, the retirement rate of armed forces personnel is vastly outstripping any sort of replaceable recruitment, our navy in our a few years will be unable to even properly refuel itself at sea as our naval resupply ships are nearly unseaworthy. You may live in la-la land but a country such as Canada who is a member of multiple international organizations has obligations and priorties beyond our country's border and even now, all defence analysts agree that our current military force would probably be unable to defend the country properly at its current state. Do you think other countries, even the US or other NATO countries or even the UN are just going to let Canada sit around and do nothing while other countries have to pick up the slack? Do you know anything about International geopolitics at all? Who do you think we are? Turkmenistan?!

>>1609175
No, they have requested the F-22 many times, and the US defense dept. has turned them down every time.

I say we DON'T give them the f-22. they didn't spend any of the ~$60 billion to develop the damn thing, and they want a free ride? they can fuck off and develop their own super fighter.

All the other countries that are getting the f-35 should DIAF as well. Especially austrailia, they are all pissy about getting the f-35 instead of the f-22. I bet ausfags couldn't even develop the wright-brother's plane now.

>>1609345
>>1609373
>>1609401
I love you.

>>1609456
compulsory military service I mean.

>>1609460
when I used to live in canada, i used to joke with the navy guys there that west edmonton mall had more submarines than the canadian military did. unfortunately, it was true.

>>1609460
>all defence analysts agree that our current military force would probably be unable to defend the country properly at its current state
That's just misinformation. After all, Canada still has the...

ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE

>>1609460

And to all of those problems, I say: So what?

Except for the Sea king Helicopters fiasco, okay, that was genuinely pathetic. Whatever the military does with its time and money, just fucking make sure soldiers don't die when they're not even in combat.

If we won't sell F-22s to Israel we sure as hell wouldn't sell them to Japan.

>>1609187
>Pretty sure the US isnt going to sell their most advanced fighter to some other country.

Don't count on it. Our military was dumb enough to sell our most advanced fighter at the time, the f-14, to a VERY unstable country (IRAN) 30 years ago. Look how that turned out.

>>1609475
You and I are opposite sides of the same coin. When we face each other, we can finally see our true selves. There may be a resemblance, bet we never face the same direction.

japan has the shinshin (gay name anyone?), they don't need the f-22.

will it ever see production though in the next decade? probably not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRPlnT-PD0A

Canadians burned down the White House, also is there a war were Canada was involved were they did not win?

>>1609530
Is there a war where Canada didnt suck US di...I mean send forces to help?

I constantly see doom and gloomers saying how Russia is going to conquer Europe, and China will conquer Asia, and the stupidity is just hilarious! China is so obsessed with economic growth that they have no time for silly invasions of foreign countries (except maybe Taiwan, but that's a different story). Yes, undo their decades of hard work with a suicidal invasion of Japan and the inevitable wall of UN countries that will stop them.

Hey, the other day the Chinese government just announced that they're spending $586 BILLION on something! Can you guess what it is?

Is it aircraft carriers? Nope!

Is it nukes? No no no!

It's ... INFRASTRUCTURE. $586 billion worth of it! Holy hell that's a lotta infrastructure!

>>1609544
Don't believe them! They're commies! They're building mind controlling death laser satellite missiles! Now, give us more military funding, I mean, we have to stop them!

>>1609528
That looks like a plane that has many parts stolen from other jets (mostly the f-22) jumbled all up together, and some paddle-3d thrust vectoring thrown in for shits and giggles because it is "cool". .....not to mention that the design for their nozzle is completely non-stealthy at all, and completely goes against the idea of their jet being supposedly "stealthy".

The japanese defense industry has become retarded.

>>1609528
That looks like a plane that has many parts stolen from other jets (mostly the f-22) jumbled all up together, and some paddle-3d thrust vectoring thrown in for shits and giggles because it is "cool". .....not to mention that the design for their nozzle is completely non-stealthy, and completely goes against the idea of their jet being supposedly designed for "stealthiness".

The japanese defense industry has become retarded.

>>1609574
The elevens just want a F-22 too.

>>1609202
you might be surprised to know that there essentially is COFFIN tech on the new f-35 with its HMD. Being able to look through the floor and whatnot is all included, but also in IR as well.

>>1609497

The problem is that we can't even get to combat, have you seen the video of the CF-18's falling off in midflight? Or our used submarines that leak and kill people? How are supposed to get to combat when fuel prices chew up a huge chuck of any military spending? And who are we going to send to combat or peacekeeping in 10-20 years? Nobody? A few guys sitting in a +40 year old tank that constantly breaks down and with no AC gets up to 60 celcius in the desert sun?

>>1609628

Don't go to combat then. Or at least operate within the budget. ie, send a smaller force that actually has some decent equipment.

>>1609633
the problem is that canada does already send a tiny force, but their budget is so small that they still can't afford equipment from this era for the few men they send.

>>1609652

WELLLLL ... Afghanistan isn't a huge deal anyway. They should be out of there by now.

Canada actually has some decent army equipment, so they should stick with that. The navy and air force, not so hot. Let Americans do all the bombing. This is a team effort after all!

>>1609673
it's not much of a team sport though when all that one of the members does is just sit on the bench, no?