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>>15937053
>(THE original)
Here's something that seems to be flying over people's heads, in eosd the midis on the sc88pro are the originals, the wavs were arranged and recorded with another midi synth. So that thread is kind of a big deal.

I personally prefer the original midi versions over the wav arranges zun made, at least as far as eosd is concerned.

>>15937053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T43-ggB0N28
Perfection for one of the best PC-98s.

I just downloaded all these today. They're fun to listen to. Hard to pin down a favourite yet.

Getting some TD stage 1 vibes from this remix of Witching Dream. Super chill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI0BrX214o4

>>15937095
I have to agree with this. I've been playing EoSD with the MIDI soundtrack recently, a lot of the tracks fit the mood better than WAV. Only issue is that the loop times are off with the files linked in the thread, and I don't know of any way to set custom loop points for EoSD.

>>15938553
>>15937095
He may have composed them to begin with using the SC88 for EoSD but it's pretty clear that he exercises a lot more control over the sound in the wav versions, particularly with the trumpets. Chinese Tea is very choppy with this midi version and overall they're somewhat muddy. I do like the wiggle in the piano of Voile and the pan flute in Apparitions compared to the marimba of the wav; they're overall quite nice. But I think it's pretty safe to say that the wav versions comprise his final vision for EoSD.

>>15938604
These are kinda quiet since they're not mastered.
You have to increase the volume or else quieter notes and instruments become lost in the mix.
It also helps the instruments become a bit less glued.

Are ZUN's strange works (those 6 songs) in any of his music CDs?

The godly track you never knew existed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwEyDvewwz4

>>15937053
80's Synth Touhou music when?

>>15937053
I have read that thread before. Cool stuff.

simply butifel

Luna Clock, Locked Girls Secret room and Romantic Children are excellent.

Complete Darkness from SoEW is a lot slower than some of the other recordings I've heard. I knew those midis were fucked up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtKegQ7XOCY

I like this arrangement of Alice Maestra. It's one of my favorite songs from LLS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqcz_I6Pr_Q

>>15943822
The YM2608 used in PC-98 touhou was released in the mid-80s.

>>15944611
>Complete Darkness

Listen to this arrange:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOFo9PWksLk

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My personal favorites

>My Maid, Sweet Maid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3trh1kHQ4o

>Fantasy Corridor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5_qkmiCIJk

>Romantic Children (ZUN arrange)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI10yKmtKmI

>Forest of Tono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzHPTP9U5oE

>Illusionary Sputnik Night (ZUN arrange)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rCVIcwihDY

>Magical Girl's Crusade (ZUN arrange)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lru9jyWgVuM

>>15945876
Oh yes, that arrange of Complete Darkness is pretty good too. I also really like the site version of Magical Girl's Crusade.

Seeing this thread, I've gotta ask. Is the only existing version of Theme of Eastern Story the Akyuu one, or there's another one?

>>15947435
That specific version is exclusive to to Akyu's Vol.5. It was added because HRtP only has a few tracks, so ZUN composed that as a bonus.
The main melody is a reference to the ZUN Soft jingle that plays when you run LLS or MS.

The Seihou Shuusou Gyoku extra stage also has a slowed down version of that jingle (during the first few bars) as a reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQHEvt7AtjQ

Then ZUN took that slowed down version and arranged it a bit for the EoSD title screen theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gptQndKxYBI

You know the rest.

SoEW isn't ZUN's most polished soundtrack but this guitar just before Eastern Wind loops is such a nice touch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ybOrz-5rAU&index=2&list=PLzdQcm51guT9FmSbAS6N5-PVPgO1Pwadc

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>>15943805
Out of the Torte Le Magic tracks I think I prefer Magical and Hopeless. The hard hitting drums make it feel intense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKGTTvv9Cno

>>15943822
1. Install this: http://www.vogons.org/download/file.php?id=24269&sid=9e77c2c5f669902436cff7334e151ee6
2. Play Touhou MIDIs with whatever you use
3. ????
4. PROFIT

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>>15966609
A bit offtopic but I never understood why people like OPL. Is it all nostalgia? I'm a big fan of FM but OPL just sounds like a bunch of farts to me. No punch, no meat, the sounds just go prrrff.

It actually pisses me off a little when someone says that the music from Doom and Duke Nukem 3D sound better on OPL than the proper SC-55 recordings.

Most post-TH6 stuff sounds better in its in-game .wav form than these...

>>15973678
The MIDIs for IN and PoFV were probably made in less than 2 minutes. They're really just a little bonus, starting with PCB the wav versions are the originals.

Lots of shitposting today

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>>15943805
This is fantastic, thanks for sharing.
Did ZUN do the art too or just the music?

>>15973586
>Is it all nostalgia?
Pretty much. A lot of us grew up with shitty Sound Blaster 16s and got used to that crappy 2op FM sound. There does exist a much-better sounding 4op set for OPL, but the polyphony is cut in half so it only sounds good with music composed with that in mind.

>>15973678
Way to not read the source thread to understand why, doofus

>>15977000
Wow no need to be so rude!

>>15977000
Wow no need to be so rude!

>>15976199
ZUN only made the music, the rest of the game was made by some guy.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Torte_Le_Magic

tfw ZUN will never make music for your random fangame

>>15978190
Maybe if someone was to make a brand new game with magical lolis then he might contribute a little too it.
But seeing how he's busy all the time I doubt it'll ever happen.

>>15976199
>Did ZUN do the art too or just the music?

something is wrong with that question...
ART is MUSIC dumbass, don't separate them, they're te same. Yes, he did some art

>>15978576
Punch stupid! In the face!

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>>15973678
Most of these are pre-TH6.

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>>15979203
Actually... I'm pretty sure music can be art... but art can't be music, if you think about it.
Sure, ZUN made truly good art by making Touhou, indeed. But... just wanted to say.

>>15982635
I love ZUN as an artist. Everything he made, everything that popped out of his head, the idea of creating this wonderful fictional thing we call Touhou, with many stories... and music. After all, the music is meant to go along with the characters, and he made them for a reason.

Yes, ZUN does excellent art. I'd wish I could have his vision.


...I hate when people divide these 2 things. Drawings are just drawings, music is just music, etc; but if we're talking about "art", we're talking about the whole thing in general, as it should be...

That's what I believe.

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The whole Seihou 1 OST is great. It sounds surprisingly different from ZUN's usual though (compared to either PC-98 or Windows Touhou music), it's almost as if it was composed by a different person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZsnhQyozM&list=PLzdQcm51guT8_7wBWFgEZia3FcGqeEqbx&index=1

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>>15973586
>>15976245
To be fair even 4 OP FM can sound like garbage when used poorly (This is fucking hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqf-gcOp7bI)), but even the most popular OPL soundtracks sound pretty weak to me. I'd rather listen to NES music, even if its audio hardware is even more limited.

>>15983395
Kioh Gyoku is the really unknown work of ZUN

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>>15978576
>>15982635
>>15982700

Art as in... the other word for drawing.

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>>15937053
it's pretty weird hearing those MS tracks like this
the patches used for Romantic Children are bugging the shit out of me, especially that lead

It's still pretty neat though, very nice sounding synth.

>>15973586
Some of it is nostalgia, but it's got a very characteristic sound to it.

kind of wish it wasn't so fucking thin and reedy, you really need to layer channels to thicken it up properly, and you could only really get big, bold sounds without burning through a third of the available channels on the OPL2 (and by the time the OPL3 was really, really common, you'd just use sampled or streamed audio in games)

man, now I'm reminded that I need to work on my OPL3 tracker (was making a 9-track tracker, which paired two 2-op channels together for richer phased and stacked sounds)

*sound of the thread going up really fast*

>>15983395
that's because it is

>>16001090
wut

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>>15997654
You inspired me to look for sound cards today. None of them have real frequency modulation chips.

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>>15937053
>Original
>Uploads them to youtube to get conpressed

>>16008860
Jesus, they are NOT kidding when they say that people have a shorter attention span than goldfish these days. This is just embarrassing.

Have you tried scrolling down just a little bit?

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>>16008860
No anon, you are the pleb.

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>>15997654
man, it's been days but I noticed I fucked up this bit
>you could only really get big, bold sounds without burning through a third of the available channels on the OPL2
meant to say OPL3 there

(you get 9 voices on OPL2 vs 18 voices on OPL3 -- you could reasonably stack three FM channels into a stacked 6-op "1*2+3*4+5*6" channel on the OPL3 and get 6 resulting channels, or four if you stack four channels and use the remaining two for drums or whatever, on OPL2, you can barely scrape by with pairing two voices together into four 4-op "1*2+3*4" channels, and use the last channel for really shitty drums, and most games would rather have the high polyphony instead of good music, blah)

polite sage

>>16007066
Yeah, it's been like that since about 1996...

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>>15937053
OP, thank you for sharing this.
I'm amazed how a theme that I didn't liked that much became one of my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNQaDIBHsAQ

Some of these are really good but Apparitions Stalk the Night is waaaaaaay better as a .wav

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Somehow this feels nostalgic even though I'd never heard it before so far as I'm aware.
>SC-88Pro - Magician of the Twilight - ZUN's Strange Works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijniBZWR5D0

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I'm no sound guy but bear with me for a second.
Can't we just load up a roland soundfont and play the game with that? I mean windows only uses gm.dls so we would just swap that shit out with a different soundfont and be done with, no? What's the big idea? I do that all the time in linux.

>>16058533
Did you read the OP? This is how these MIDI files are intended to sound. If ZUN had distributed these as WAV or MP3 they would have sounded like this.

>>16059620
I don't understand, what is stopping you from using roland soundfonts to make the midi' sound like that? Apart form acquiring them of course.
I though that was the feature of midi, just put the instructions into plain text files and let the sound player figure out what soundfont to use for what part.

>>16059822
LOL. Even the SC-55(!) can't be emulated properly using soundfonts, let alone the SC-88Pro which is much more complex.

>>16059918
What do those chips do that a digital file can't? Do those devices still work that way today? I would think they jumped ship to flac/wav years ago and do signal processing through software. Should be a piece of cake with today's processing power.

>>15943822
Ok but this is actually a good idea

>>16058533
>>16059822
>>16059948
>I mean windows only uses gm.dls
88Pro MIDIs aren't GM.
>roland soundfonts
Soundfonts are just "take these samples and play the right one associated with the note and instrument". You aren't going to be able to emulate a hardware synth with something that simple.

If you were to actually read the thread in the OP your questions would be answered.

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So apparently this is the first touhou music-related fanwork. Interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOgSzjRB124

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>>16068133
yep

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I like this version of Locked Girl a lot.

They're all really great though.

>>16047412
That's the way ZUN's music is. There's a deep nostalgia in every Japanese person, don't you know.

>>16068133
>So apparently this is the first touhou music-related fanwork
Ever? That's pretty interesting.

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While in a way this is super cool, and they do sound nice, it's also like, you guys know zun would much rather have had actual musicians play his shit right? no musician wants to have to resort to using midi instruments. so rather than
>as zun intended
its more of a
>as zun had to do because poverty

>>16089560
You have to be either trolling or playing dumb.
ZUN has stated multiple times in the past that he just wants to make old-fashioned video game music, and that he doesn't give two shits about realism.

That should be fucking obvious from just listening to his music.
Money has not been an issue to him for a long time. He earns more than even the best paid japanese programmers. He has a 2000 USD+ tablet, at least 3 high end monitors, a fuckton of consoles, games and books and a big house.
He could easily replace all of the sounds from his 15 year old MIDI module with super realistic sample libraries, but he doesn't want to.

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