/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Janny will still probably delete unless Hiro is present.

Make it /pc/ Paizuri Culture.

i thought hiro would be the one to make the thread?

>>15836573

Meta jaypee is best jaypee!

So can Hiro tell clearly awful sarcastic ideas from the legit ones voiced by a good chunk of the community? I'ts hard enough for fluent people to understand sarcasm and tone of a piece over the net sometimes, but i'm much more wary of his case since he hasn't proven a good bullshit detector like moot had when it came to dealing with the community.

Remove all generals that can be removed. There are a few that are difficult to remove, but removing the rest would be a good start.

>>15836643

I heard generals will be removed at the end of the year.

Whiny idiots is what bothers me the most, specially the ones that go into threads and complain about them without doing anything productive. Probably the same retards that wanted to make this thread to talk about how much they want "quality threads" while never saying what they are or attempting to make them.

Start by removing ZUN!bar's permaban for ban evasion (the prototype case of jannies using "ban evasion" to ban people they don't like) and work your way up from there.

Remove this "if it is japanese shit, it belongs to /jp/" kiddy mindset where they think they aren't crossing the line of being off-topic

>>15836663
Yes!
unbar the !bar
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

Let 2D porn be posted on blue boards, including shota/loli and furry

I had a lot of complaints for a long time but now that this thread is here I can't remember any of them anymore.

I think that it would be nice if hikikomori and imageboard culture could be added to the list of topics on an experimental basis, and that self-moderation that isn't flooding or volume shitposting be tacitly permitted..

I just want them to enforce the rules without any favoritism, and maybe, maybe, allow the posting of nipples.

Also to have some minimum tangible quality limit that gets threads below it moved to /c/ or /e/ or /d/.

>>15836643
Also just make a board for 3D/jp/. Not just idol threads, but dramas, random musicians, movies, power rangers type stuff, all that shit. Like /jtv/ or something. JAV and gravure threads have to go there too or to /s/ and deal with /s/.

>>15836763
/jc/ - Japanese Culture

bring back NEET threads

>>15836573
Bring visible sage back (<- This is very important), make a board for 3D idolshit and similars. Make moderation slightly softer as long the shitposting respects the board theme.

There, I don't really care about the rest.

>>15836763
I also want to state that I wouldn't mind the idol threads IF they didn't constantly get mad at each other and decide every little group and subgroup needs its own thread. Having a board for it, they could just make a thread for each individual girl in their groups and be done with it.

>>15836768
Now that you mention it, there also needs to be an actual Japan/General so people with questions about Japanese language, culture, moving there, where to go, taking pictures, food, etc can go there. Literally just "anything Japanese welcome" so it's not just Japanese /p/ + /trv/. You can post anime and shit there too, so it's more like a Japanese/Random but it's still worksafe.

remove touhou meme threads
encourage more generals
make it a nsfw board
remove whiny threads like these

>Make moderation slightly softer as long the shitposting respects the board theme.
Name some shitposts that do.

Keep /jp/ the way it is, the more you splinter off boards with more specific boards (splintering /v/ into /vp/, /vg/, and /vr/ for example), the more shitposting happens, because people have less to discuss.

Also, bring back /l/ - loli, but make it for shota and furry porn too, that way the touhou and shota shitposers will go elsewhere.

>>15836815
>>15836756
Shut up with this and go to >>>/trash/

>>15836824
see what i mean, they just want to shitpost

For the time being I think it might be nice if we first pulled up the full diversity of opinions on /jp/, and saved the jumping on each other for having the wrong opinions until after we've got everything on the table.

>>15836815
>Keep /jp/ the way it is
Truer than it sounds, /jp/ is a slow board.

Hiro just need to do something about the mods, janny and their regulation about banning and deleting shitposts, because honestly, they're being a quite a bitch lately

Why do people who say "janny/jannie(s)" expect to be taken seriously?

The mods don't give a fuck about any of this.

Hiroyuki doesn't give a fuck about any of this.

Even if either of them did, they don't coherently or productively correspond with each other anyway.

If you don't believe me, go to IRC and try bringing up any of this and see where it gets you.

>>15836573
>if there's anything
There's only ever been one problem on /jp/... and it's the 2hu shitposters and their roleplaying and /e/ image dump threads.

There's nothing anyone can do to fix that though as they have legit mental health issues and will chimp out if their safespace is threatened.

>>15836857
Why would someone even take an "Anonymous" poster seriously

>>15836858
>bring back NEET threads
What's the IRC? You can just go there and link this thread.

Merge idol/singer/music generals into one general, or get rid of them altogether.

Move game generals (mahjong, etc.) to /vg/. Touhou gameplay is fine, since this is what /jp/ was made for in the first place.

Allow for character threads, since those are some of the most active on the board, but only one at a time. We don't need three fucking Kogasa threads up at the same time.

Fetish threads are /e/ material. Get rid of those.

VN threads are fine, keep them. I don't like them personally, but they fit perfectly here.


These are just suggestions I came up with looking at my filtered subjects list.

>>15836866
>We don't need three fucking Kogasa threads up at the same time.
Yes we do. We need as many threads as necessary to express the popularity of a character.

This is just false hope. He's gone. It's already 1:30am.

>>15836866
>remove the stuff I don't like
>make the stuff I do like more prominent

How anyone could think this thread would accomplish anything other than this is beyond me.

/jp/ is already a slow ass board, no reason to splinter it into 2 or 3 even slower boards. Just more consistent moderation is required.

>>15836768

/jp/ - 2D Random

For our promised land!

>>15836901
>>remove the stuff I don't like
It's like you didn't read my post at all.

Ban generals. Ban idols.

>>15836906
I did.
>merge or remove all the music or idol threads I don't
>move the game threads I don't like but keep the ones I'm ok with

Literally what your post boils down to. There's no difference between discussing mahjong or touhou or shogi or whatever on this board other than personal bias.

http://arch.b4k.co/jp/thread/15095638/#15098341

>>15836957
Idols and <insert music genre here> have an entire board dedicated to their overall area. It's called /mu/.

Traditional games, such as mahjong, shogi, etc., have an entire board as well. It's called /tg/. It stands for "traditional games."

Video game generals, such as that of Elona, belong on /vg/. The only games that more or less don't fit there or on /v/ are Touhou (in fact /jp/ was created in order to keep Touhou out of /v/ and /a/) and stuff like untranslated VNs, due to obvious linguistic circumstances.

And if you think I just want stuff I don't like removed from /jp/, why the fuck would I want to keep VNs? They're garbage. But they have a very good reason to be here, and I respect that.

Bring back Hikki threads and stop anyone who posts on /r9k/ from posting there if you can

I thought /jp/ was a byproduct of weeaboos that were too weird even by weeaboo standards.
Can't fix a garbage pile.

>>15836844
There have been a few threads like these in the past. I think this might be the most recent one.
http://arch.b4k.co/jp/thread/15268789#15277780

Maybe someone else here can dig out the key points from that thread. I have to sleep soon.

>>15836997
Do you even browse /tg???
Mahjong and shogi is japanese culture.
>>>/tg/catalog

>>15837016
Not him but what I think is, mahjong/shogi threads that don't devolve into generals can stay here, but the generals are better off at /tg/.

>>15836997
>Idols and <insert music genre here> have an entire board dedicated to their overall area. It's called /mu/.
>Traditional games, such as mahjong, shogi, etc., have an entire board as well. It's called /tg/. It stands for "traditional games."
>Video game generals, such as that of Elona, belong on /vg/. The only games that more or less don't fit there or on /v/ are Touhou (in fact /jp/ was created in order to keep Touhou out of /v/ and /a/) and stuff like untranslated VNs, due to obvious linguistic circumstances.

Read. It says "western visual isn't accepted here".
From that, we can assume that western shit isn't accepted here, so we can safely say that Idols will stay, and not gonna move to /mu/. Mahjong and shogi shit will stay, and not move to /tg/. Elona, rhythm shit will stay, and not move to v/.

Look, you even said it yourself
>The only games that more or less don't fit there or on /v/ are Touhou
Do you really think Idols will fit on /mu/? Do you really think Mahjong would be appreciated in /tg/?
Because if yes, then Touhou would definitely be accepted in /v/

>>15836805
This would make the board worse

I think idols, celebrities, and e-celebrities should all be contained on one board of their own. Perhaps this could improve /jp/ and /tv/ in one go.

>>15836901
An idol board would be faster than /jp/, 100%. So would a board bout Japanese shit that's not otaku culture. Also /jp/ could stand to be slower.

>>15836997
>Video game generals, such as that of Elona, belong on /vg/.
>stuff like untranslated VNs, due to obvious linguistic circumstances.
So Elona, a Japanese otaku oriented (as in the game is laced with otaku themes) doujin game still in the process of being translated doesn't belong here?

>>15837024
Not him but
>western visual isn't accepted here
Even so, I don't see how removing the stuff he mentioned like idol threads would automatically make western shit come in and take its place. That's some leap of logic you've got there.

>Do you really think Idols will fit on /mu/? Do you really think Mahjong would be appreciated in /tg/?
No to the former, yes to the latter.

Or maybe we can do >>15837034 for idol threads.

>>15836573
>>15837028
>>15837032
OP, you invited the spammers and shitposter to create thread here. Good effort for trying to make JP fast.

>>15837024
Touhou IS accepted on /v/, for your information, just not in massive volumes.

As someone who was actually here when /jp/ was created (unlike some in this thread), I realise what this board basically stands on. And let me tell you it isn't Japanese music, or Japanese traditional games. /jp/ was envisioned as a containment board for all manner of Touhou material, and while Touhou is still accepted on /v/ and sometimes even on /a/, Touhou generals and other assorted spam belongs here on /jp/.

Similarly, I've nothing against the occasional idol or music thread, but if you want twenty fucking generals, each in its fiftieth iteration, there are other boards for that. Dedicated boards.

>>15836579
Exactly this. The jantior and mod don't care what Hiro says.

>>15837054
I see /jp/ as a sfw english version of futaba's 東方裏 board and prefer it that way

>>15837060
Also, there's no touhou community like /jp/'s and if touhou was taken away from /jp/ I'd have nothing left.

>>15836573
Thank you for making this thread.

>>15837051
Idols is Japanese culture, there's a reason why it would never be a western thing, and it's also the reason why it fits here in this board, "Otaku Culture".

>>15837054
>As someone who was actually here when /jp/ was created (unlike some in this thread), I realise what this board basically stands on. And let me tell you it isn't Japanese music, or Japanese traditional games. /jp/ was envisioned as a containment board for all manner of Touhou material, and while Touhou is still accepted on /v/ and sometimes even on /a/, Touhou generals and other assorted spam belongs here on /jp/.
Then by your wording, /jp/ should be abolished and Hiro should make 2 new boards. A touhou board and a Japanese culture board

>>15837070
Thank god you're still awake.

>>15836573
>bawwson
>janny
>"kudasai"

>what is wrong with /jp/
You.

>how we would fix it
Banning on sight.

a Paizuri General would improve this board by leaps and bounds.

>>15837072
I don't dispute that, but you sound as if boards like /mu/, /tg/ and /vg/ only allow Western stuff, which is completely false.

Get rid of the fucking generals and JAV shit. Everything else is fine.

>>15837070
Please get rid of the moderation staff, Hiro.

>>15837070
Do you like /jp??
Is it otaku enough for you??

>>15837082
Like you said above, Touhou is accepted on /v/ and sometimes on /a/.

I'm not saying those things I've mentioned aren't welcomed in /mu/,/tg/, and or /vg/. I'm just saying that because these "other Japanese shit/Japanese culture" don't really have a clear containment for the Western fans(because this is an English-language imageboard). They've chosen to stay here. The reason why they """fit""" here.

Remove 3D shit generals

If generals autosaged I wouldn't have a problem with them.
The material belongs here, but they tend to clog up the catalog.

>>15837070
BRING BACK VISIBLE SAGE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE''please''

>>15837086
>>15837104
Otaku:
The term originated in the 1970s as a way of referring to a subculture fan (specifically anime and science fiction fans, which at the time were considered subculture). In the 1990s, some of it’s negative connotations disappeared, and it referred to someone who was very into a specific hobby. Now it covers fans of anything, and is often referred to someone who is very engaged in something, possibly to the level of obsession.

>>15837101
>Like you said above, Touhou is accepted on /v/ and sometimes on /a/.
Not that guy either.

>because these "other Japanese shit/Japanese culture" don't really have a clear containment for the Western fans
Maybe that is the case for /mu/. But /tg/ takes almost everything well, /v/ doesn't care much (since even 2hu threads can be found there) and /vg/ is filled with containment threads so it wouldn't be a problem for those boards.

who supports kana captcha?

>>15837104
Remove 3D shit

>>15837072
>Then by your wording, /jp/ should be abolished and Hiro should make 2 new boards
What the fuck are you even talking about? Where did you get that message? Are we even speaking the same language?

/jp/ is a Touhou board first. It's a Touhou containment board. I'm not a purist, so I've nothing against the occasional idol, video game or traditional game thread, but GENERALS for this stuff already have dedicated boards: /vg/, /tg/ and /mu/. They do not belong here. They belong on /vg/, /tg/ and /mu/.

We can have an occasional idol or mahjong thread, same as an occasional Touhou thread being acceptable on other boards. However, generals already have their dedicated areas.

>>15837106
>>15837070
I agree with what you're saying but I have proposition to make.

Hear me out Hiro-san,
I browse /co/ and they implemented a page 10 rule to the GENERAL thread there.

page 10 rule meaning, they can't create a new thread until the thread is in page 10 and the new premature thread would be immediately deleted IF the current thread is still not on page 10

This is the answer to GENERAL threads that would be accepted by both parties.

>>15837119
I really want this です

Wtf is this place? Wtf is an option this board is confusing fack

mina chou uzai

>>15837119
i'm on
it'll be fun

>>15837111
>Now it covers fans of anything
By your logic /jp/ should be a random board

Get the JAV and Gravure threads the fuck out. There's already recurring JAV threads on /gif/ and /hc/ and there's no reason why Gravure shouldn't be on /s/.

Bring back visible sage. It was removed because /sp/ idiots got butthurt and used it as downvote. Thankfully /jp/'s users have triple digits IQ and don't get mad if Anonymous is written in a blue font.

I don't like all the idol generals, but idols "are" an otaku topic and they can't just be moved to another board without heavily disrupting that board. I'm not /a/ so I don't want to shit up another board to get rid of our trash (>>15828000). Allow idol threads but don't make them recurring, or better yet make a celebrity board so that they go there, and it would also help clean up /tv/ a bit.

>>15837119
Captcha is a Google thing, so I don't know how feasible that would be

>>15837140
No, it should be a board for people who are obsessed with Japanese culture, sub-culture, etc.
But i'm ok with pure 2hu jp board

Almost forgot: move light novel threads to /a/.

Remove 3DPD general.

>>15837132
To their credit, a number of generals here already do that

>>15837145
/jp is already a very slow board

>>15837070
Great. Now people will just keep lying in this thread and because you're watching, we'll have to call them out on every little obvious bullshit. And an OP full of shitposter shibboleths certainly doesn't help.

>>15837054
/jp/ wasn't even envisioned as a board for all the things moot didn't want /a/. He literally wanted to have an all-purpose Japan board that would "unfortunately" also house VNs and Touhou and idols. It became a board for VNs and Touhou and idols because a) we /a/ rejects were the only ones who cared, b) there was a lot of us and c) we pretty much scared off the normal people (a lot of times intentionally).

>>15837160
Pretty much all of them do to my knowledge.
The generals are here because they're a common, Japan-related interest. I don't care for idols in the slightest, but I think moving them off this board would be a huge mistake.

>sure, they do fit in here
>but UUGGHHHH they always clump up the catalog
This is what really the bottom line is. I said it once and I'll say it again

page 10 rule for all GENERALS

It would literally take atleast 10 seconds for a mod to delete a PREMATURELY created thread general

>>15837167
This is pretty much all we need.

There is nothing wrong with /jp/ that can't be fixed by people hiding threads about topics they aren't interested in.

>>15837160
>>15837166
They try to, but there's a certain someone who likes to spam images to the cap, then delete and ban anyone who continues to use the current thread instead of the new one they make regardless of what page the thread is on.

>>15837167
>>15837175
Would be fine if all generals are also mandated to have the word "general" in the subject.

Leave everything as it is.

>>15837181
>hiding threads
>If I hide shit under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist maybe one day I'll get used to smell of shit

>>15837167
>>15837175
Also as >>15837186 said: what if a general reaches image limit before reaching page 10.

Seriously, the page 10 rule isn't bad, but moving generals away to faster boards would work better.

>>15837186
You mean the mod/janitor that deletes all posts that suggest not spamming reaction images or image dumping?
That fucker?

Yeah, that guy needs to be sacked.

>>15837070
who best 2hu
who do you like more, /a/ or /jp/
answer kudasai

>>15837195
For shit, like your all-green post, there's the report button.

But it's for shit posts, not topics you don't like.

>>15837197
>what if a general reaches image limit before reaching page 10.
Delete it, than a new one can be started. There's no difference in deleting the old thread or deleting premature threads.

>>15837070
Please ban JAV and Gravure threads. I don't care about the others. Idols, onaholes, monstergirls, they can all stay if you just remove the JAV and Gravure threads.

>>15837197
Why would you move them away if they're board relevant?
It's not like this board doesn't have plenty of room as it is. It takes three+ days for a thread to fall off this board.

>>15837070
Please make /jp/ moderation more lax.

>>15837206
Deleted threads do not archive.

>>15837166

I complain about generals a lot, but when you look at other boards' generals and compare them with our own, /jp/ generals are pretty nice. Little circlejerking, they stay on topic most of the time, they wait until they're on page 10, they're ok.

The problem is that there are just too many of them, and they move too fast, which causes all the other threads to suffer. I've basically stopped using sage here because I know that if I sage a thread is going to be gone the next day because it was pushed off the board.

When /vg/ was created, there were like 3 generals on /v/, the second fastest board in 4chan. Now we are on /jp/, a medium-slow board, and I just counted 31 generals on the catalog.

Saying this, JAV, gravure and monster girls absolutely do not belong here and should be removed

>>15837207
Anon, that gravure thread is not even a general.
Can you read?

Oh boy, it's another "let me shape the board how I see fit" like some crafty jew. At least this time the majority isn't trying to kick out Kancolle, so I assume we've come to accept it.

>>15837207
>>15837218
日本はAV
例えば ヘンタイ、テンタクルポルノ etc..

Remove idols.

Remove generals.

>>15837225
>At least this time the majority isn't trying to kick out Kancolle, so I assume we've come to accept it.
/jp/ accepted Monster Girl Thread, why the fuck wouldn't they be able to accept KanColle?

Don't remove anything.

>>15837225
I don't like Kancolle as a franchise, but it's undeniably /jp/ material. I don't even know why it should be recluded into a general.

>>15837234
>/jp/ accepted Monster Girl Thread

wwwwww no we didn't

I have a feeling that guy from /pol is spamming here. The way he type, I can sense it.

>>15837235
Remove this guy

>>15837206
>There's no difference in deleting the old thread or deleting premature threads.
1/10 bait

>>15837209
It's because generals only really work if their speeds match up to the speed of the board it's in. Most if not all the generals in here are way too fast for /jp/, so they don't work here and should be moved to faster boards.

Now, I would not mind if occasional, non-general threads with those topics were made in /jp/, because we wouldn't need to be concerned about them being too fast for /jp/. However, the generals are not like that. They fit a lot better in faster boards than in here.

>>15837225
>I assume we've come to accept it.
It's a general like the others. What applies to generals also applies to it, so for the time being you can treat it as such.

Besides, you definitely won't be able to accept it if, say, the /a/ thread is forced to /jp/ as well.

>>15837070
Ban 2D.

>>15837246
Ban this guy

>>15837244
The speed of a thread does not change its relevance to the board.
A topic should not be penalized for being popular. If you get a /jpg/ made, go ahead and move them there, otherwise it's just making a mess out of things.

>>15837070
Please reduce time limit of making a thread.

Perfume threads should f*ck off!!!!!!!!! No place in /jp for that shit

>>15837254
And they are just as relevant in other boards, which also have the speed to match them. I don't see why you're so against making such a move. It's not like I'm asking them to be moved to /b/ or something.

>A topic should not be penalized for being popular.
For a fast thread in a slow board, yes it does.

>>15837254
Why create an entire new board when the generals cluttering up /jp/ already have places elsewhere they belong? Idols/babymetal go to /mu/, video games go to /vg/, board games go to /tg/, gravure and JAV go to /s/ or /gif/, and monstergirls go to /d/. There's no need to complicate things.

Also, I remind you generals cluttering up the board were the reason why /vg/ was created. So "penalizing threads because they're popular" isn't really a thing anymore.

>>15837218
>JAV, gravure and monster girls absolutely do not belong here
All of them have a long history on /jp/. There's a specific problem with the current monster girl general in that it was a chunk of /a/ forcibly transplanted here by micromanaging mods. But it's the posters and their culture who don't belong, not the topic itself.

>>15837240
>I don't even know why it should be recluded into a general.
It shouldn't, that's what they chose. Like pretty much everyone except Touhou fans, back when not having a general meant being immediately spammed to death.

>>15837223
I didn't use the world general. Can you read?

We really need to get rid of generals so we can have room for more quality threads like >>15836478 and >>15834211

>>15837223
It has a link to the previous thread on the OP, it's a general

>>15837070
Bring back visible sage, bring back e-mail field, bring back own thread deletions. Basically, reverse all of moot's retarded decisions. Allow a wider range of Japanese topics and add kana captcha.

>>15837273
>JAV and gravure have a long history on /jp/.
Really? I used to see some small threads from time to time. I don't think of them as truly belonging here.

>>15837271
You need a post per hour or more to survive on /vg/, many jp-related games here dont come close to that.
/vg/ is a death sentence.

>>15837295
>bring back own thread deletions.
I want this shit back

For the love of Shinto god Hiroyuki, please.

Alright folks. I propose this.

If a general can belong on more than one board, the speed of the board should take priority as a tiebreaker over where the general currently is now.

Just because they're here now and the topic can fit the board it's currently in doesn't mean that said board is the best suited for it. In fact, in most cases it isn't.

>>15837307
I don't know man, I don't think /mu/ is too fast and I don't want to suddenly push 10+ threads on them.

>>15837286
Those kind of threads had a tendency get buried over new threads on old /jp/. Whe didn't so many autist bumping those threads out from page /10/ until it hit bump limit either.

>>15837307
That's why some people are proposing the page 10 rule

>b-but we cant post any more images after 300 image posts
Fucking hell, you can still have discussion without images.

>>15837310
Not to mention they would undoubtably shitpost the idol threads to death unending.

>>15837301
KanColle does. Can we move it there then?

>>15837070
Please, please bring back visible sage. Even if it's only for this board.

>>15837305
>>15837295
Wait, I thought it was silently brought back? Or maybe only on certain boards?

It's a slow fucking board that stays to its topic

What the fuck are we even complaining about?

>>15837310
>>15837034

>>15837314
Modify it to "page 10 or image limit rule" instead, and make it such that discussion can still take place in the old thread even when a new one is made, then we can talk.

Besides, the page 10 rule can be applied just as easily to whichever board it's moved to, and chances are it'll work better there.

>>15837322
The board doesn't have a high enough concentration of random shitpost threads.

>>15837315
Some guys here did the same and they didn't prevail, so it doesn't really matter.

>>15837317
What boards?

I just went to /gif/ and /hc/, there was a JAV thread in each board. For some reason these people need 3 different boards to discuss porn because it comes from a certain country.

Remove them from here. It's not like they can't discuss it on those boards and even better, they can't actually fucking post pictures of what they are talking about. Seriously, what's the fucking point of talking about porn in a SFW board?

Want to have a live discussion / debate?
Do it the old /jp way.
>http://l4cs.jpn.org/gikopoi/flash/gikopoi141_for/flash_gikopoi.html

>>15837337
Alright, that means JAV threads should go. Next.

>>15837333
You call them shitposts, I call them fun threads. Or at least they used to be fun because the fun ones get removed fast.

>>15837342
Any actual quality/fun threads have absolutely no problems staying alive on /jp/. They are in no danger of being kicked out by the generals.
If you can't get a single post in 3 days then maybe the discussion is dead.

FUCking remove generals

REMOVE all janitors from jp as every one of them tirelessly tries to shift the board into their own warped newfag view

remove generals

no more bans for mentioning w****su, g***s, o**, t****r, etc etc

remove retarded 1 thread per 10minute limit would be nice but not essential

What the hell even is the point of /jp/ if we remove all these threads? /2hu/?

>>15837348
To go back to the good old days. Just go to warosu and see.

>>15837342
There's an "awoo" thread that is a month old.

>>15837070
Let /jp/ moderate itself again, remove the generals though.

>>15837300
Well, sure. They've always been here, is all I'm saying. I admit what I mainly remember from days of yore are the child idol threads.

>>15837271
Moot hated generals, and judging from how 2ch works, Hiroyuki does not. Any precedents set under moot's rule should be considered invalidated.

>>15837337
Please, no. No more micromanaging. If people want to talk about something on a board, and it fits the board's theme, let them.

>>15837342
You may call a piece of turd a steak, it won't make it one.

Idol generals just need some extra moderation. Spam has been running rampant in those threads and made them reach the image limit faster. I've seen like 5 different AKB threads in the catalogue at the same time at some point. Spam is regularly reported but those reports are regularly ignored too.
Threadly reposts are something that everyone could do without too. Posters spamming pictures when a thread is around 280 images pictures just so it reaches the limit faster and they can make a new thread with whatever thing they want to force in the OP is another issue too. Posting 30 similar pictures from the exact same event in the same thread is kind of unnecessary too. Those minor things would noticeably slow down those threads without really affecting the discussion.

>>15837358
Actually, it used to be quantity over quality but it seems like nowadays we've got neither.

>>15837367
>Any precedents set under moot's rule should be considered invalidated.
Jesus Christ, how new can you be?

this thread is fucking stupid. Do you guys even look at the catalogue? Generals are a good thing. Look 70% of the threads on this board, its just image dumps for a single random tuhu or idolmaster character that can all be contained if they just posted in a single general. There doesn't need to be threads dedicated to a single character when there could be a thread dedicated to characters of a topic.

>>15837348
Doujin games in general, for starters.

>>15837360
We're currently discussing where to move them to, if at all.

>>15837367
JAV does not fit this board's culture though. It's fucking porn, the only different thing about it is that it comes from Japan.

>>15837367
fuck off

Just give 2hu its own board for Christ's sake and the problems will be solved.

>>15837378
>Generals are a good thing

/2hu/ - Touhou
/jc/ - Japanese Culture

>>15837381
>Doujin games in general, for starters.
So let's remove all the doujin game generals, right?

>>15837336
I apologise, I can't remember which boards. I rarely ever made threads before but once the no self deletion rule was added I made threads even less frequently. All I remember was that I made a thread somewhere sometime recently and was able to delete it. I'll have to keep an eye on everything from now on.

monstergirl shitters, idol shitters, and kig freaks.

get rid of generals, bring back warosu and kill all the janitors

>>15837394
They are because people haven't been forced to conform to meme threads in a long time

>>15837396
>if at all
You can't read.

>>15837070
Please rename the board to 2D/Random, and get rid of 3D idol threads.

>>15836768
>>15836803
>>15836905
Have both, 2D random board and Japanese culture board.

>>15837400
Please make these kind of posts allowed, they don't harm anyone.

>>15837398
It might be that it adheres to the same rules as self post deletion, i.e. you can only do it for a set time after the post.

BRING BACK RANRANRUUU

KILL ALL GENERALS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I don't care about idols whatsoever, but where else could they go? A Japan - Miscellaneous board? I was under the impression that that's what /jp/ basically is and always was.

JAV needs to go though.

All of you would be terrible mods if you had even a little power.

give touhou its own containment board like MLP and pokemon. More than half of the threads here are just people jerking off to fandom touhou pics and memes

>>15837412
>>15837034

>>15837413
I don't think any of us here can do any worse than the current crop of mods, even if we tried.

bring back /ghost/

>>15837410
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
die poser

>>15837416
More like, idols need the "containment" boartd

Kill all these touhou threads. They need their own board or something. Keep all 2D idols(idolmaster) in one thread.

you guys are trying to index a site that wasn't meant to be. Fools

>>15837408
That might be it. I've always deleted my own posts as soon as the counter allowed me to.

>>15837429
>>15837395

All i see is people suggesting to turn /jp into reddit. Cool. Oyasumi pun pun~

>>15836573
Too many "Generals"

>>15837435
At this point, /jp/ is worse than reddit, so that would actually be an improvement.

>>15837435
All I see you doing is shitposting.

>>15837422
theres only 6 idol generals
akb
h!p
babymetal
perfume
stardust
alternative

compared to the countless fucking 2hu threads its nothing. They actually stay on topic and dont shit up the board

>>15836573
too much touhou

>>15836573
Too many "Touhous"

>>15837389
>2hu
Quality post.

Removing the only part of the board that can stand on its own does nothing to address the problems of the remainder.

>>15837431
They really need to bring back the password field so you can delete threads even if you reset your browser.

>>15837443
>>15837444
holy shit coordinated shitposting

first time i've seen it.

Why have none of the resident /jp/ meta experts and armchair moderators ever managed to acquire a position during any of the janitor drives?

It's almost as if all these ideas are shit and no one cares to autistically micromanage this slowass irrelevant board.

>>15837446
And what are those problems may i ask?

>>15837442
They literally talk about the same shit and clog up the board.

They also bring people like you who don't give a shit about anything else.

>>15837429
/jp/ is fine as it is now. People keep complaining about generals when they barely take up space on the board. I'd take those over spamming /jp/ with garbage one-line threads that don't have a purpose other than to get attention

>>15837442
And that's only the idol generals, it's sad to see the front page full of generals.

>>15836573
It's just another cesspool for generals. The fact that threads are allowed to be less topical on /a/ than on /jp/ is as hilarious as it is tragic when you remember why this board was made. It's probably beyond saving, but for starters fire everyone

Frankly I think we're doing fine compared to most boards. /jp/ still feels like /jp/, I can't say that about every board.

Where have all the admins gone
And where are all the mods
Where's the board-cultured Janitors
To fight the rising odds?
Isn't there an owner wielding an iron fist
Late at night I toss and turn and dream up what we've missed

I need a Hiro
I'm holding out for a Hiro til the auto sage
He's gotta be strong, he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta ban the newfag rage
I need a Hiro
I'm holding out for a Hiro til the thread dies
He's gotta be smart, he's gotta come soon
And he's gotta be larger than life, larger than life

>>15837452
You just described the 2hu threads perfectly.

>>15837457
>>15837454

/jp/ is a good board, but it's nice to have a meta discussion like this once in a while

>>15837378
I agree. Deleting something like the AKB general would just multiply the amount of active AKB threads on the board and make it harder to filter or ignore for people that didn't want to see it.

>>15837455
People still look at the front page? Just use the catalog and sort with last reply

>>15837457
Sure, I guess it feels the same if you've never stepped outside of Touhou armpit threads

>>15837462
>being a newfag

Complaining about Touhou shitting up /jp/ is like complaining about Pokémon shitting up /vp/

>>15837454
Why not go back to your general? You don't care about this board after all.

Just fucking make /jp/ into 4chan nijiura already.

That's what the board has always been trying to be anyway. The only thing ever stopping it was the bizarre and arbitrary board delineations that moot was all autistic about.

Let /jp/ finally embrace it's destiny.

>>15837473
>oh i like touhou
>im an oldfag

Move all the idol generals to /mu/
Move the kigurumi general to /cgl/
Move the fumo thread to /toy/
Move the onahole thread to /thrash/ or somewhere
Move the monster girl thread to /d/ or /e/
Move all the non lewd image dump threads to /c/
Move all the lewd image dump threads to /e/
Move game threads to /vg/, vns can stay
Move jav and gravure threads to /s/
Move the train station threads to /n/ or /out/
Move the denpa and vocaloid threads to /mu/
Move the jdrama thread to /tv/
Move all the 2d idol threads to /a/

Here, now /jp/ is clean and pretty. Tell me if I forgot something

>>15837469
Only general-goers use exclusively the catalog. Do that and you'll see even more generals. I miss the days when threads beyond page 5 were effectively dead.

>>15837368
>Idol generals just need some extra moderation.
They still receive the majority of the moderation on this board. General thread posters need to stop being so autistic and whiny.

/jp/ needs a dedicated mod or mods though. Mods that only mod /jp/ and are neither allowed to interact with other boards, nor any other mods allowed to interact with /jp/. That means no thread moving between /a/ and /jp, just deletion.

>>15837476
We could do it your way and split the generals into multiple threads. I'd love to reply to 5 idol threads and 7 kancolle threads and 3 mobage/netoge threads

Bring back FUN /jp/ and remove generals.

>>15837473
Who are you quoting?

>>15837442
Doesn't change the fact that 3D never belonged on this board. Go jerk off to your underage idols somewhere else.

>>15837477
It's not nijiura if I can't post loli and shota, try again.

>>15837488
>yes, we finally have our own board to shitpost 2hu

>>15837488
Nothings left but touhuo fuck that

>>15837485
>oh i come here for idol generals
>i know let's complain about something older than me

>>15837475
/vp/ is literally called pokemon
/jp/ is called japanese culture, not "touhou"

>>15837502
>shitpost 2hu
I will only cutepost 2hu

>>15837488
could just give touhou their own containment board and avoid all that work

The best thread award goes to:
>>15678195

>>15837389
It's funny because that's what moot did in 2008

>>15837495
I'm not fully against that. It'll keep the discussion fresher and avoid circlejerking.

>>15837451
I'd name topic insulation, repetitiveness and lack of variety.

But you tell me, you were the one complaining.

>>15837457
>/jp/ still feels like /jp/
Nope. But at least it doesn't feel like /s4s/ anymore.

>>15837499
Fuck off fag
>Otaku culture
>only 2d allowed

>>15837509
Moved to /c/.

>>15837507
>/jp/ is called japanese culture
Uhhh....

>>15837499
>>15837506
Idolshit was literally one of the first things on the board though. I hope you're just pretending to be new.

>>15837518
Last time I went to /c/ it was the Madoka board. No thank you.

>>15837515
There would be more variety if there were less touhou threads and it allowed for other smaller topics to stay and not get bumped off the board.

>>15837469
Personally, I hardly ever use the catalog. Never bothered installing addons to use it before the native one was added either. Now that we have a search feature I feel like there's absolutely no reason to use the catalog.

>>15837418
>>15837413

Meido did nothing wrong. A /jp/ with 4 pages of threads is a good /jp/.

>>15837521
nope jp is known for 2ho outside so he isn't pretending

give me mod hiro ill clean jaypee

>>15837514
there were trips and tru/jp/ garbage posters circlejerking way before generals, please

>>15837519
Unless you believe Touhou is the only thing that classifies as Otaku culture the point still stands.

>>15837488
You forgot to move all Touhou to /v/

>>15837531
its that way because there theres too many fucking touhou threads with just one liners and nothing to contribute but image dumps

>>15837488
/mu/ doesn't really like denpa/Vocaloid/doujin/etc music though, right? And /toy/ doesn't like fumos if I'm remembering this right.

>>15837449
>Why have none of the resident /jp/ meta experts and armchair moderators ever managed to acquire a position during any of the janitor drives?

Because no one is stupid enough to give their dox to 4chan.

None of this would have happened if Omega Sudo was still alive. We should have never gotten quints

>>15837531
Nah, it's always been here.
People were mad about it back then too.

>>15837476
I tend to keep to my generals because the front page is usually shit, bored people refreshing for 2hu thread to come up so they can make their "contribution", usually something about sex.

>>15837524
No, there will not be more variety if you push (even more) topics off the board. There will just be less threads and posts.

>>15837537
Well, the touhou gameplay discussion thread
Also, forgot to move the 日本の風景 thread to /out/

>>15837548
It's not like you're contributing anything to the board by keeping yourself isolated in your general.

I am not saying you absolutely shouldn't discuss idols and other stuff on /jp/. But maybe, just maybe, you don't need constant 24/7 threads for it.

>>15837550
touhous is all one topic the only difference is which exact touhou that thread is for and one occasional game thread. Just give it its own board.

>>15837542
Writing paragraph upon paragraph of meta theorycrafting in an attempt to appeal the normalfag mod clique who couldn't give an ounce of a fuck about a board like /jp/, however, is a sign of genuine intelligence.

>>15837557
page 10 rule

>>15837557
yeah, why can't they act like the oc thread folks?

>>15837557
same goes for touhou or any thread topic here

>>15837556
so you want more idol threads? they are contributing by posting in their own generals and not bothering the rest.

>>15837557 is right. A big problem is "general culture" and the idea that topics need their own thread always. This contributes to the "chat room"/circlejerk feel that moot always tried to kill (via post timers for example).

>>15837557
I am not saying you absolutely shouldn't discuss Yukari on /jp/. But maybe, just maybe, you don't need constant 24/7 threads for her.

>>15837449
Oh wait, they have. Please disregard that I suck cocks.

What do you have on your filter list, /jp/?

>>15837556
It's difficult to start a thread though without it becoming a battleground for if this belongs on /jp/ or not.

>>15837576
touhous and zun

Hiro kept talking about making a list of regulations, so why not make it so he sees it because I don't think he's going to bother reading all this.

>>15837569
I just think you and your generals would be better off in a chat room.

>>15837576
Nothing because I'm not some pussy who can't handle seeing things I do not like.

>>15837570
There's less circlejerk in those than when tru/jp/ posters were left to run rampant here before generals. moot is gone and so is his vision of a meme factory

Generals happen because the board is slow.
The board is slow because content is arbitrarily restricted to a handful of random niche interests.

You need to ease content guidelines, not tighten them. Only then will threads actually be organic again.

>>15837576
if you had your own touhou board, you wouldn't have to filter so much

>>15837588
thank you mod-san

>>15837585
Don't you find it bothersome constantly scrolling past threads you don't and will likely never care about?

>>15837581
The only regulation that's been posted in here that is remotely reasonable is the "don't make a new general thread until your current thread is on page 10" one.
That would allow for discussion without getting shit like 6 AKB threads in the catalog.

>>15837516
>>15837521
I was here since day one, you disgusting pedo freaks, I just didn't mind the idol shit back when it was contained in one thread. If you weren't new, you'd know that /jp/ used to be a 2D otaku board.

>>15837562
>making thoughtful, constructive posts that are longer than the length of a text message
Yes, that is a sign of intelligence.

>>15837588
>Generals happen because the board is slow.
It happens because people that are not familiar with how things used to be done on /jp/ treat threads as if they were chat rooms.
>The board is slow because content is arbitrarily restricted to a handful of random niche interests.
I'm not saying you're wrong but /jp/ used to be at least twice as fast, and that's counting the generals. I think the moderation and generals drove away various posters.
>You need to ease content guidelines, not tighten them.
I completely agree, but only if it doesn't belong to another board already.

>>15837596
/jp/ is slow as hell, chances are the threads you look for will be at the top already.

>>15837529
Spotted the mod.

>>15837449
Because the moderation staff will just prevent them from joining, even if they apply.

>>15837611
This is a the mentality of a general-goer.

>>15837592
>mod
>ease content guidelines
Pick one

Delete /vg/. It's the real thing that killed /jp/ content. It also made generals think they were acceptable. It also cultivated shitty general posters who want to re-import themselves and their corrupted threads to /jp/. These people also make stupid shitty posts with their aggressively retarded /vg/ mindsets. Just wipe the whole thing. It's for their own good.

>>15837586
/jp/ was the greatest meme factory of all time. remember that dog and the hoops? damn those were the days.

>>15837610
comiket/con threads or threads with actual discussion would constantly get bumped off because of touhou meme spam so, no, /jp/ wasn't good when it was "fast"

>>15837557
having one active thread that dies out in a couple of days and is replaced is better than having 20 different threads that could last weeks and clog up the catalog even further.

yeah and now its just touhous

>>15837588
Generals sometimes happen because you have topics too broad for a thread but too small for a board.
That monstergirl general is a good example. Their core material is a doujin artbook and a VN from the same author, but generally they're just writing stories and making a lot of art.
They were exiled from /a/, but they wouldn't fit on /d/ or /lit/, and don't have quite enough in common to sustain a /tg/ thread. They banned playing CYOA so they don't fit in /qst/.
In addition, they're actively disdainful (isn't 4chan always?) of the rest of their "fandom" and wouldn't work in a namefagging chat or forum.
So using the doujin nature of their anchor, they fit here.
That weird weeb containment board where moot kicked the Touhou fans from /a/

>>15837541
I've seen other plushie threads on /toy/. The only Japanese things they don't allow are the non-posable figures.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11225192

>>15837606
Who are you quoting?

And no, abjectly failing to recognize the futility of an act and trying to convince yourself that you're being "constructive" is the opposite of intelligence.

>>15837634
Uh, Comiket threads were much healthier when /jp/ was "fast". They got shitposted into oblivion once people tried to manage them as a general and now they're mostly selected reposts from other sites

>>15837642
They don't need a single chatroom thread at all. Go to irc or discord or something for that.

>>15837661
Just like how all these touhou threads can just post a link to a folder on imgur with all the images their going to dump.

>>15837610
>I think the moderation and generals drove away various posters.
Shitposting and spam drove away posters. Generals are the only reason not all of them left.

>only if it doesn't belong to another board already
Oh fuck off. You can find another board for anything you don't like.

>>15837642
There is LITERALLY a reoccurring "Monster Musume" thread on /a/ again because it got a fucking anime. So now both boards deal with them. Good job, mods!

>>15837611
Most of the time, a good chunk of those generals are on the front page.

>>15837654
>And no, abjectly failing to recognize the futility of an act and trying to convince yourself that you're being "constructive" is the opposite of intelligence.

>Who are you quoting?
>A meme-turned-shitpost used by people who think they'll convince people to stop using quotation arrows to paraphrase things.

I haven't been to /jp/ in like a year but it's much better than I remembered it.

>>15837661
You could say that for almost every subject imaginable.

>>15837666
Yeah, honestly.

>>15837667
If you don't count the nutcases that want to kill the janitor I think those "shitposters" were a considerable part of /jp/. If shitposters and spam drove them away why aren't there more posters now than back then?

>>15837678
>You could say that for almost every subject imaginable.
Yes. You could. This is what is meant by not liking generals. They don't need constant chatroom threads.

>>15837671
Technically several boards deal with them.
/vg/ has a monstergirl games general for the sundry games in development and the VNs
/d/ pretty constantly has a monstergirl porn general or two
/a/ has a discussion of the Monster Musume anime and manga
and finally /jp/ has a thread dedicated to discussing the world of Kenkou Cross's artbooks

>>15837685
But there are more posters now because you don't need a shitty tru/jp/ requirement to participate

>>15837677
That's because before the generals everything was just shitposting, touhou memes, and VN memes with more shitposting.
Now we have a bunch of recurring topical threads floating in the piss ocean of danbooru reposts tied to such compelling conversation starters as
>Patchy and Remy have feets!

>>15836573

Moderation needs to lax here if people want this board to be beyond generals and touhou cuteposting. Many /jp/ heritage threads would not be created under this current rule set.

>>15837596

No, because I'm open minded and I recognise my mind can change. Filtering content feels similar to safe spaces.

Reminder /jp/ is one of the slowest boards on 4chan

Reminder most of is general threads, and thats not a bad thing

>Reminder most 2hu threads have no right being an individual thread. Most are no better than "lol look at dis butt" or a wacky sound effect.

>>15837610
>I completely agree, but only if it doesn't belong to another board already.
See, I disagree with that. This is line of thinking is what gave us generals. It's this stupid idea that moot had that every conceivable subject has to have it's own board and that it always has to go there and only there because if we pretend hard enough that boards don't build their own communities then maybe that will be true.

Fuck I hate that. That though process that gave us shit like:
"Oh vns go on /jp/ unless they're western vns because then they go on /vg/ BUT TRANSLATED vns can go on either /vg/ or /jp/ but any discussion of any anime adaption of any vn can ONLY go on /a/ unless it's one of the /vg/ western ones because then that's /co/."
Like if your administration is completely based on isolating subjects and preventing any overlap, then don't be surprised when you end up with a bunch of threads that isolate and don't overlap. 4chan shouldn't be that clinical. You need to be flexible with what you allow each board to discuss. And don't even come at me with that "why even have boards at all then?" bullshit because if you think /jp/ is every going to be discussing football in the same capacity that /sp/ does then you are shit and your opinions are also shit.

>>15837676
You're not even coherent at this point.

Injecting your own definitions and extrapolating wildly is not what paraphrasing means, by the way, so good job failing on your own terms.

>>15837695
there are more posters and they all suck

>>15837701
This is a good post, thank you for making it.

>>15837700
>Most are no better than "lol look at dis butt" or a wacky sound effect.
Fucking this. Not exactly an advocate for generals but this kind of stuff needs to all be shoved into a single thread instead of having tons of threads consisting of OPs going 'A wild Momoji appears!' and 'Icey butt!'

>>15837695
>more posters
The population statistic doesn't seem to be working right now but I could tell you that you're wrong since I've seen them before.

>>15837696
>VN memes
I miss these. Everyone only talks about how shit VNs are nowadays. No new memes. No old memes except Fate ones. No one even posts Tsukihime memes, just Fate ones. Aren't there any new definitive VNs?

>>15837701

Agreed.

There are a lot of complains in this thread that could be easily be solvable by just not visiting certain threads or filtering them out.

Moving certain threads to other boards will only serve to piss other communities off and divide the users of those threads. If you don't like the subject matter just don't fucking browse them, it's not like /jp/ is a fast enough board that good content is being pushed aside by our few generals.

The only thing I could possibly request at this point sans better moderation is the return of visible sage. Oh yeah, also perhaps flagging images (or threads) as NSFW which would be hugely beneficial to VN and JAV threads.

>>15837723
>playing choose-your-own-bad-ending Chinese pictorial leaflets in 2016

So guys, what are we going to do with the general threads?

>>15837685
That's a total non-sequitur.

The fact is, nobody goes to /jp/ just to talk about whatever anymore. They come for specific topics and ignore the rest of the board. I don't think you're going to dispute that.

Now, do you think it's because the generals magically prevent the remaining 80% of the board from being useful? Or because shitposters prevented the remaining 80% of the board from being useful by constantly shitting on every new topic that wasn't their retarded circlejerk, until everyone just gave up trying?

/jp/ is evolving

>>15837700
>>15837718

The problem is that /jp/ has very little else beside generals and cuteposting.

/jp/ needs more content and/or the moderation needs to be loosened up so that people can be more creative with the threads they make.

>>15837734
Nothing. Theres nothing wrong with them other than
>its not how /jp/ did them in the passed

Since there seems to be conflicting opinions on what /jp/ should be I suggest we split into a 2d/random kind of board and another for the perfume/scenery/idols. You might think that splitting is bad since this is a slow board but it doesn't seem like /jp/ has any trouble splitting. /jp/ has more spinoffs that any other board because they didn't agree wit h the current /jp/

>>15837734
Leave them, they're the remaining content of /jp/
The only thing pushing them to the end of the catalog is people wanting to post the latest Momiji drawing by making a new thread.

>>15837734
Leave everything as it is.

>>15837734
There is nothing wrong with /jp/ generals, and removing them would do way more harm than good.

Do you want to see as many idol threads as 2hu threads? How about a monstergirl thread for a single species?

>>15837738
making it nsfw would open up more content for sure

>>15837701
This is an important post and I want Hiroyuki to read it.

>>15837701
>It's this stupid idea that moot had that every conceivable subject has to have it's own board and that it always has to go there and only there because if we pretend hard enough that boards don't build their own communities then maybe that will be true.

This shit is even the reason moot made blue boards(because people would rather use /a/ than /h/). I can't even understand what the fuck was his problem.

Although boards building their own communities has its old problems. It's not quite generals, but it leads to stuff like boards raiding other boards. It probably would be better if there was one global community, but you'd need to have many, many less boards for that.

/jp/ needs to be more weeb and talk about more Japanese stuff in general. I want threads on tea/traditional cooking /ck/ is shit. I also want to learn more about how Japanese live, what holidays they have, what they do, etc.

>>15837737
/jp/ is reclining

>>15837749
>Do you want to see as many idol threads as 2hu threads?

This. AKB alone is more than just AKB. There's also SKE, HKT, NMB, and way more, and that's not including sub units. It needs to stay together.

So the general conclusion is that /jp/ as it stands, is not fit for purpose.

The moderation has stifled any thread creativity.

>>15837760

>/jp/ needs to be more weeb and talk about more Japanese stuff in general.

This sort of opinion is retarded. If you want that content you're welcome to make those threads yourself and see if other users are interested in it.

I have never understood why /jp/ was blue.

But if we get rid of generals, how can I find the latest memes for my favorite idols in each of their individual threads?

REMOVE KANCOLLE

I miss the old guard of /jp/

BOOF, Jones, CurryButt

>>15837743
And if it doesn't work it can be deleted and we will just accept that nobody cares about that kind of board.

>>15837766
Its not that, its just that not enough people want to talk about Japanese tea ceremonys. They would rather just post art of butts and jack off again.

NO I REFUSE

REMOVE TOUHOU

>>15837770
I have seen less deviating threads banned. /jp/ mods seem too anal to let you make anything different.

>>15837754
>it leads to stuff like boards raiding other boards
You can have your own community without it being cancerous. Sure, some 4chan communities were cancerous like that, but that was a function of inadequate moderation and stupid admin decisions, not something inherent to the concept.

>>15837778
>>15837774
>>15837773
>>15837775
And this is why we should split.

Face it guys, we aren't going to get proper moderation any time soon, so any suggestions you have will need to take this into account. "Better moderation" just isn't going to fly as a suggestion.

>>15837778

That's my point.

This board isn't open enough to attract people who wish to discuss it.

>>15837783

Exactly. You cannot be creative with threads, there's only a very small set of "approved" threads.

>>15837771
Look at how it's 90% softcore porn threads. It would be 90% hardcore porn threads, even if some were from VNs.

But really it was because moot was scared people would post figures being 'hot glued'

>>15837775
glad those idiots went away because general threads stole their limelight and their shit would just get deleted

>>15837771
moot didn't want hot glue but that's irrelevant now since no one posts figures on /jp/

>>15837775
Jones is still waiting for you at--

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>>15837783

That's another issue. If the problem is moderation than it should be addressed.

Maybe /jp/ should be renamed Japan General instead of Otaku Culture?

>>15837777
just like /jp/!

>>15837809
>>15837793

>>15837809

But then we're in direct competition with >>>/trv/ and >>>/int/ Japanese general threads.

>>15837796
We dont want to be too open, look at /a/ or /v/.
We need to be more open, but not to the point of attracting the wrong types.

>>15837796
What I meant is that /jp/ is a small community. Even if you made a thread about something you wanted to talk about, for example tea ceremonies, you still wouldn't have enough posters who cared to keep the thread alive. It would just get swallowed by 2hu.

>>15837821

What is the problem? We coexist with /vg/ threads already. Overlapping content isn't a big deal.

>>15837701
/tg/ is the single best example of communities defining subjects.
Is there a Warhammer media that isn't traditional gaming? Doesn't matter. It's Warhammer and that's /tg/'s thing.
Is it a really nerdy, lore-heavy or stat crunchy game that fits into the narrative leanings of /tg/? They're going to claim it and /v/ be damned.
They end up making involved lore threads about video games or claim all discussion of certain PC games wholesale.
And it works for them. Because boards are communities and not clinical subdivisions. If you're going to do that, then you'd need a more complicated architecture with post tagging.
You can't just Dewey Decimal all of a personality or interest group and expect it to work.

>>15837809
>Maybe /jp/ should be renamed Japan General instead of Otaku Culture?
This is genius! It should have been that from the start.

>>15837823
We've had sizable tea threads before.

>>15837821
Let them be magnets or filters. /jp/ despite it's flaws is still better than most boards, especially /int/. Competition implies they have something we want.

>>15837822
those are both blue boards so your local apple store window shopper or company cubicle mole aren't afraid to post in those

>>15837811
A 2D/Random board could be made while they're at it.

>>15837821
Not really. How can a thread compete with a board? Those threads totally could come here.

>>15837822

We're in agreement.

>>15837823

Which is why we should, *rather* need to be more open as a board.

>>15837821
If someone wants to discuss something which would be considered ontopic here, chasing them off to /int/ or /trv/ seems unnecessary.

>>15837809
>Maybe /jp/ should be renamed Japan General
I hope you're joking.

>>15837829
And this is also why you can't just up and move generals wholesale to other boards.
They're just as much a product of their environment as anything else.

>>15837823
>It would just get swallowed by 2hu.

I feel like this is a reoccuring topic/problem and that this needs a fix asap.

>>15837836
We are blue aswell.

>>15837829

/tg/ is definitely an example of a good board. They're community is big enough that each sub-community can mutually support each other sub-community with cross/entry level posters.

>>15837849
The problem cant be fixed, 2 answers crop up.
Banning Touhou.
Getting better mods.


Banning it is retarded, getting good mods is unrealistic.

>>15837070
Read >>15837701

>>15837843
>>15837830

It was the original name wasn't it? My memory is hazy. But if this is what the userbase here wants I don't see the problem. Personally I would''t change anything, /jp/ is in a pretty good place right now.

>>15837849
>>15837823
>swallowed by 2hu.
If you mean thrown off the board by touhou threads that means we need to be made split.

>>15837854
>/tg/ is definitely an example of a good board
Not anymore.

>>15837070

Please consider
>>15837859
>>15837700

>>15837843
He's probably joking, but he's also 100% correct. We should have never accepted the name change.

>>15837857
>/jp/ is in a pretty good place right now

Is it? The whole board stagnate.

>>15837864

Compared to most other boards? They certainly are.

>>15837859
I would argue that 2hu threads provide a necessary cleansing. Before the mods started deleting monstergirl threads at image cap, we had to wait for enough "clownpiece has a butt" threads to occur to wash our old general away so we could post a new one.

>>15837857
> My memory is hazy.
Nice try.

Rename the board to /jp/ - Creativity

REMOVE IDOL SHIT FROM PREMISES

>>15837886

I like it.

/jp/ - eccentric japanese hobbies

For those who say they don't mind KanColle, I ask you this.

/a/ wants KanColle threads moved out. Do you really think you will be able to accept them if they get their wish? And on top of that those people really hate those who don't play the game.

If you can, then more power to you. If you can't, then make sure to move the lone general out first.

>>15837821
Who cares?
Seriously. If threads or subjects are duplicated between boards occasionally what's the problem?

Why is competition a bad thing, exactly? To be honest I'd rather discuss sake with /jp/ and post pictures of drunk oni while doing so, but there's probably plenty of other people who would prefer a more serious discussion on /ck/. But if both /ck/ and /jp/ are allowed to discuss sake, then everyone can pick where they'd rather be and everyone is going to be happier overall.

>>15837882

>Is it? The whole board stagnate.

I'm going off on a limb here and say that /jp/ has one of the oldest (as in by time browsed) 4chan users on the website. It is "stagnant" because we use things that are comfortable for us. I don't see this as an issue. I don't want the community here to evolve into what the other boards have become.

>>15837898
it's the /k/ ship posters that makes those threads in /a/ terrible

>>15837898
Is the anime over or something? If so then I guess this would be the only place for them to go.

It's never really fun watching ship idiots shitting up other threads for no reason though. If they could stick to their own general I think it would be fine.

/jp/ - 2D/Fun

>>15837904
Huh? /jp/ has already changed into what other boards have become. Only /f/ keeps the /jp/ spirit alive, ironically.

>>15837904

This board has changed from what it was.

>>15837898
you make it sound like some mass exodus, but its only one KanColle general on /a/. Sure, it sucks picking up another general, but its not like we're running out of threads in rapid fire over here.

/jp/ - Touhous & other shit

>>15837913
>>15837916

Sure, it has changed since 09, but not on the same level.

There is a clear distinction between how users here operate and most others.

>>15837913
does /f/ still run on the ``Marked for deletion (old)'' system?

>>15837908
/tg/ shitposters are worse.

>>15837909
>Is the anime over or something?
Not yet, movie coming out November 26, after which they'll probably be shipped out until season 2, if /a/ gets their wish.

>It's never really fun watching ship idiots shitting up other threads for no reason though.
But they will. They won't stick to the current general because the general is currently almost entirely game discussion and the fags in the general will want to keep it that way.

>>15837921
>some mass exodus
It might as well be.

>>15837924
Accurate

>>15837904
I think some of the user base has been here a long time.
I've been using 4chan heavily since 2006, and I consider /jp/ my "home" board.
Several years ago it wasn't my key interest though. I went from /b/ to /d/ to /tg/ while spending a lot of time answering requests on /r/
I was quite sad when Popcorn's rapidsearch went down.

>>15837925

Of course, but it seems a fair number of people are unhappy of the state of the union. Would you not like to gain some of that spark from 09 again?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11225646

>>15837940
You can't force it to happen again. It doesn't work that way.

>>15837933
>shipped out

>>15837941

A 2D fun board? What's the difference between that and /c/?

>>15837941
Shits rigged. Probably.

>>15837944

Neither am I trying to, what I am asking for the constraints to be lifted, so that the natural process can start to cultivate.

>>15837904
The last time I've genuinely felt like I'm talking with old-timers was a metathread right after moot's resignation. Maybe the people are still here, but the board mostly feels like contemporary /a/ nowadays. Slower, comfier /a/ with less scum, but /a/ nevertheless.

>>15836573
Remove shit metathreads like this one, for starters.
Keep most generals, they're slow enough that it doesn't really matter. Turn the alternative idols/idols/perfume/other musician threads into one thread though.
JAV thread can go, this is a blue board and that is not really otaku culture.
Elona thread can go as far as I'm concerned, I don't really see how it's /jp/ specifically (though it doesn't really bother me, I don't care if it goes or stays).
Doll and fumo threads should stay, they wouldn't work well on /toy/. I don't care either way what happens to kig threads. The mahjong thread should stay, it's so slow it doesn't even matter anyways.

On the technical side, I think visible sage should be brought back. Moderation-wise, I agree with what as already been said. I also think /jp/ can afford to be pretty lax on NSFW enforcement.

In closing: /jp/ is a very slow board. Removing all kinds of threads from it isn't going to be a good thing. Yes, generals exist and that can be annoying if they don't interest you, but they generally live for a long time and only have one thread up

I do not like the plethora of idol discussion on the board, I feel like it is not an inherently otaku interest, certainly not niche at all.

The rules on /jp/ are counterproductive to the original intent of the board which was to get touhou and memes not related to /a/ off of that board.

More than anything, all the good posters who contributed original content and 'memes' were pushed away or permanently banned for making small infractions by the janitor and mod in 2012-2013. This caused a massive divide. Believe me, there are hundreds of old /jp/ posters who would come back if they knew the site was more accepting of the board culture they came to love so much

>>15837947
/c/ is a board for slow imagedumping, while this would be a silly old /jp/ spirited kind of board.

>>15837070
Please get a new mod/Janitor, the current one(s) have let the power go to their head and delete things they don't like even if it isn't a shitpost, but some constructive criticism.

They want anons to ass kiss each other/ /jp/ to be a safespace.

>>15837962
Will cocksucking threads be allowed?

>>15837955
>Turn the alternative idols/idols/perfume/other musician threads into one thread though
What a terrible idea. You don't seem to browse neither the generals nor outside them.

>>15837960
>Believe me, there are hundreds of old /jp/ posters who would come back if they knew the site was more accepting of the board culture they came to love so much
They probably wont know if this place changes. 2017 soon, they either moved on or visited Gensokyo.

>>15837941
>proxypoll
Make a google docs poll or something instead.

And give more options, like "do you want generals removed from /jp/" and if so, which ones. Then for those who want generals to stay, give options as well. Like whether the board should be split, and if so, into what names.

>>15837955
There are some fast generals here though, and if you merge all the idols into one general it'll become fast too, even if none of the idol generals were.

I simply do not accept that I should have to hide all the idol threads, JAV threads, Onahole threads and various other generals that I have no interest in. These are not otaku interests. Idols should go on /tv/, onaholes on /h/ or /toy/, and jav should go on whatever porn board is most appropriate. Japanese music threads are fine, but they should really go on /mu/. Tea and japanese food should go on the food board.

I'm getting off topic, but I really think /jp/ should just be Japanese /s4s/, somewhat

>>15837960

This is correct.

Meme creation is dirty thing on /jp/ now. You cannot synthesize memes on this board any more. I've actually seen several creative threads being deleted because it wasn't a cutepost or a general.

>>15837972
They all keep tabs on 4/jay/, if they see a thread like this, and they come back and see changes then they may or may not come back.

They all know how fun /jp/ was back in the day, all they need is a little push to fall back into it

It always seems that people that try to fix generals problems are those that don't actually browse generals.

From day one moot has always argued that the best moderation is the one you do yourself. If you don't like something then don't go read about it.

>>15837962
You can just go to /s4s/.

>>15837973
>Make a google docs poll or something instead.
Make it a 4chan Pass Poll