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1575172 No.1575172 [Reply] [Original]

ok, can some one PLEASE explain to me what the appeal of Touhou is? It's too fucking hard, at least for someone who hasn't been playing manic shooters since they were 5 or something! I mean, every time I try to play, I end up getting frustrated playing on easy, which isn't fun. And last time I remember, GAMES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN! Games aren't supposed to be dick waving contests on the internet that proves whose the better human being!

You see, every time I start playing, I like it, but as I go on, I keep dying, and eventually have to start over. From the beginning. The same levels. Over, and over, and over again. That's boring. Really boring. And you feel like your getting nowhere. Eventually, you get frustrated, because you read about how the game is "so fucking easy lololol", when these are just people who've played for possibly hundreds of hours on end, just memorizing bullet patterns and practicing to see whose the best (as I said before, dick waving contests). Now, I do like some aspects of the game, like some of the bullet patterns, the music, and the NEW challenges, but the NEW challenges are few and far between. I've tried 2 games, EoSD and Imperishable Night, and while I do like Imperishable Night better than EoSD, I still need someone to explain the fucking everlasting appeal that some people claim this game has.

tl;dr explain to me the appeal of touhou!

>> No.1575180

It gets much easier after a few hours of practice.

Are you seriously telling me that you can't even get through Easy mode? I think you're giving up too easily and blaming the game for your own faults, to be honest.

>> No.1575182

It's like a stamp collection. It's supposed to be about accomplishment.

>> No.1575183

>GAMES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN! Games aren't supposed to be dick waving contests on the internet that proves whose the better human being!
Are you stupid or something

>> No.1575188

>tl;dr: BAAAAAAAW THE GAME IS TOO HARD.

Fix'd

>> No.1575191

>>1575180
I've been playing for a few days, and while I can get through easy with 7 lives and 3 continues quite...well....easily, but I can't get through it with only 3 lives

>> No.1575190

>>1575172
For a second I thought you were the same guy from a few months ago. Oh, the rage.

>> No.1575195

>>1575172
then...don't play it?

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1575192

lol, i dunno know.

>> No.1575199

>>1575172
EASY MODO?! BWAHAHAHAHA!

>> No.1575204

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/

>> No.1575206

u r l8me.

>> No.1575207

>>1575191
Keep practicing if you like the game. Also, I started out on Normal mode when I first played Touhou. Perfect Cherry Blossom was my first Touhou game and it's still my favourite one.

I enjoyed the challenge. But maybe you're more suited to Halo or something, I don't know. Each to their own.

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>>1575191
>easy with 7 lives and 3 continues

I hope you're bombing.

Or rather, I hope you're not bombing as it would explain the ridiculous amount of misses. Not to mention IN's easy mode is the easiest easy mode of them all.

Picture related.

>> No.1575213

Video games have always appealed more to the autistic crowd. Except fighting games. Those just appeal to people with below average IQs.

If you don't think Touhou is fun, then congratulations, you're not an assburgers douche.

>> No.1575214

>>1575172
hold shift for focused fire

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>> No.1575221

>>1575213
Keep telling yourself that, pal.

You're right about the fighting games though.

>> No.1575223

>too fucking hard

Oh god I would love to see you try to play Battle Garegga for score.

>> No.1575224

>>1575207
Halo is a fucking frag fest, in fact the only online FPS I honestly like is TF2, because of no grenades

>>1575210
I do bomb sometimes, but if I bomb too much, that takes all the fun out of it too. (see: fragfest)

>> No.1575228

>>1575172
I don't know about you, but I like my games with challenge.

And we don't give a shit if you suck.

Sage for blog.

>> No.1575234

>>1575172
>wah wah wah the game doesn't
let me play it through without actually trying to get good at it

Here's a big secret that you probably haven't heard yet: some of us, particularly the ones that aren't youngfags and remember the days when games were about gameplay instead of cutscenes, think that challenge in itself is fun. Touhou games are not too hard. They are just hard enough.

>> No.1575230

>>1575221
I will keep telling myself that, because I'm right. Gaming is for fags with short attention spans. I will, however, admit to "playing" VNs because of their literary appeal.

>> No.1575231

>>1575214
Yes I know that

I also know that if you bomb just when your going to get hit, you can avoid it, but I think that's a total crap tactic and you should be able to beat it without it.

>> No.1575239

>>1575231
Then stop crying if you die after refusing to use bombs, they are there for a reason.

>> No.1575244

Same old thread in brand new drag.

>> No.1575245

>>1575239
bombs are for killing, not saving your own ass. Sometimes it works out with both.

>> No.1575250

>>1575245
Not in Touhou.

>> No.1575253

>>1575234
games shouldn't be a fucking second job. There's a difference between practicing and getting better for the fun of it, and playing an unhealthy amount for a reason you forgot long ago.

>> No.1575267

>>1575250
then it's a fucking fragfest like every other third game

it's like spamming one move in a fighting game to win. It's not fun at all.

>> No.1575264

>>1575253
Shooting games aren't for you then.

I got up to stage 5 on my first run, and 1cc'd IN normal mode on the fourth or something.

You suck at Touhou. Go back to TF2.

>> No.1575271

Touhou's appeal doesn't come from the gameplay.

Also, you just suck at it.

>> No.1575273
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1575273

I suck at these games, too.
But I at least have a shred of decency and play on normal when I do.

I also get angry and don't feel like continuing, but I'm sure if I pushed it, if I really wanted, all I have to do is keep going through the games over and over. Like Mega Man, it's mostly pattern memorization (except I feel there's definitely more skill involved in Touhou games).

This type of game is the ultimate "get the fuck back up and do it again, you horrible retard" experience, IMO.

But to answer your question, the appeal of Touhou is in my image.

>> No.1575277

>>1575267
Only if you can't graze for shit.

Bombs are a last resort, you don't have to use them in order to finish the game.

Your lack of skill is the real problem.

>> No.1575285

>>1575264
And what's wrong with TFDouble, faggot?

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1575289

Come on guys, have a heart!

>> No.1575294

Touhou is easier than most manic shooters lol.

>> No.1575297

>>1575253

FFS stop crying and suck less you little bitch. You are not entitled to beating the game or even getting any further in it: both of those are rewards for getting better at the game. People like you make me sick. Faggots like you are the reason we have games like Bioshock and Too Human that don't penalize even for dying so that every whiny little shit could beat the game at the cost of turning them into pointless and unfulfilling garbage for us normals.

>> No.1575300

Are you a gamer in general? No, VN's or obscure dojin RPG's don't count. If not, then you're not the kind of person ZUN makes the Touhou games for.

>> No.1575307

>>1575285
FPSs suck.

Japan agrees, don't bother them about it.

>> No.1575308

I was going to relay an anecdote, but I'm stretched for time, so tl;dr: the difficulty is the point of the game.

>> No.1575309

>>1575297
Hey now, Bioshock was still pretty good, if a bit easy.

>> No.1575312

>>1575307
Japan loved Halo 3. Therefore, your point is invalid.

>> No.1575319

>>1575312
It sold like shit.

>> No.1575328

>>1575309

"Easy" is an understatement. The game had no challenge whatsoever, even for a baby. Bioshock's attempts at suspense and spookiness were severely crippled when the player realized that death had literally no consequence - you'd just respawn in the most recent vita chamber with everything intact and all the monsters still had whatever damage you dealt to them. And the chambers were so close to each other that there wasn't even the threat of backtracking.

>> No.1575325

>>1575210

No, MoF easy is easier than IN easy, by far. MoF easy is such a joke that, despite the fact that I can't beat MoF normal at all, I can beat all of easy without a single death and only one bomb.

>> No.1575327

>>1575297
I played the PC version of Bioshock without continuing once. I always reloaded my saves whenever I died.

>> No.1575329

>>1575319
You what now?
http://kotaku.com/gaming/unfucking-believable/halo-3-japanese-store-sell-out-shocker-304285.php

>> No.1575333

>>1575328

Yes, indeed, Bioshock was a joke. System Shock II was much better--after 3 hours playing Bioshock I just uninstalled it and replayed through SS2 instead. Much more enjoyable game, and much more of a challenge.

>> No.1575336

>>1575329
Compare that to the popular japanese games.

>> No.1575342

>>1575336
Still shows that people like FPS' in Japan - Famitsu gave it something like 39/40 as well.

>> No.1575341

Halo 3 > Touhou

>> No.1575348

>>1575342
Too bad I was speaking about Japan as a whole.
Of course some people will like the genre, if not they wouldn't be selling the game.

>> No.1575356

>>1575333

SSII is still one of the greatest games ever.

>> No.1575362

OP here. Now that my rage has subsided, I can speak a bit clearer.

The thing is, I do play on normal mode usually, but I can't BEAT easy mode. Usually. I'm better at IP, and was really raging at EoSD. Is EoSD harder than IP? Well, whatever.

The thing is, I DO have fun with Touhou games at first. Also, I like the spell cards, as it adds an interesting twist to some patterns. What I don't like is when I lose, then have to replay the whole damn game again. It's boring, and you feel like the game is insulting you for making a few tiny mistakes.

I also don't want this to become a game where you play everyday to get better and better, and you don't even know why your playing anymore. Eventually you think your "pretty good", only to have some faggot say "lol im better" and totally fuck your score and self esteem over. (see: sniping in TF2)

>> No.1575366

>>1575362
There will always be someone better than you or me. Get over it.

>> No.1575369

>>1575366
yes, I know that. I'm saying that I don't want to play another game where the only appeal is to be THE BEST. Like I said, dick waving contest.

>> No.1575372

Bioshock's story was better than SS2's.
Disagree with me and you are wrong.

>> No.1575374

>>1575362
EoSD is the easiest windows touhou game.

>> No.1575375

>>1575369
It doesn't have to be. Only if you want it to be, which, evidently, you are. Go read the doujins or listen to the remixes. Who really cares whether you can or can't beat it or not? You're thinking too much about this, so, seriously, get a grip and get over it.

>> No.1575378

>>1575362
What the fuck is IP?
If you're talking about IN, it's easier than EoSD, primarily because you can see the hitbox, and the bombing gap before dying is too long.

And you only have to start over if you lose 3 continues... and those aren't a few tiny mistakes, that's dying like 15 times.

Did you increase the lives or bombs at the option screen?

Anyway you don't have to play everyday in order to beat the game, some of us do it because the challenge is fun.

You're probably angry because you're playing it over and over and over again on the same run, as opposed to playing, losing, and trying again later.

>> No.1575386

>>1575378
I don't know about you, but I like to play a game more than 15 minutes a day.

>> No.1575383

>>1575362
I'm one of those guys who hates continuing too, so I've had my fair share of starting over. The thing is though when you actually find yourself getting further on the next try, it feels good. And then finally when you beat the last boss with 0 bombs and 0 lives left and your adrenaline is rushing all over the place, that moment gets imprinted forever. Also there is always someone who is going to be better than you. I sure as hell don't compare myself to lunatic players even if I can 1 cc normal mode. Thats just stupid.

>> No.1575384

>>1575369

Still sounds like you're not enjoying the game for what it is. If you want to avoid e-peen wagging, then just avoid any discussion that would lead up to it.

>> No.1575387

>>1575369
That doesn't happen even on /jp/.

No one cares enough to watch videos or replays of random people too see if they are better than you or not.

>> No.1575399

>>1575362
Play on Lunatic until you can do decently(learning to graze effectively, saving yourself from death with bombs, ect.), then try to beat Easy. The difference is immense, and easy seems, well, a lot easier after having tried Lunatic.

Also, instead of just challenging the game, try playing the practice stages to get better at the parts you suck at.

In the end Touhou is all about repetition and reflexes, doing to same shit over and over until you've got it down. If you don't like the shooters try IaMP/SWR or Patchcon.

>> No.1575393

OP if it makes you feel any better, I have 3,000 games started on PCB and I can just barely 1cc lunatic.

>> No.1575398

>>1575384
>>1575375

I'm not saying that it is this kind of game, I'm asking...sorta. Um...Indirect question. I guess.

>> No.1575400

ITT: OP bawws and wants attention like a little baby who it's rattle.

>> No.1575403

>>1575386
There are 11 games, and 6 windows games.

Play the first, die, move on with the next one.

Rinse and repeat.

This is a shooter, I can see you've never played one before.

How old are you?

>> No.1575410

Even Lunatic mode Touhou is easy compared to modern arcade STGs, and slow paced with boring patterns. The appeal is the characters and the porn, not the games themselves.

Go play DoDonPachi instead. Never continue, play for score. After enough tries you will eventually "get it" and something will switch in your brain. From them on you will be an elitist STG fan and you will never look at games the same way again. It's a kind of enlightenment, people can guide you but not directly teach you. You must experience it for yourself.

>> No.1575411

The game's only appeal isn't just dick-waving. How old are you? 7?

>> No.1575420

>>1575410
If Lunatic Mode Touhou is easy, I don't want to know what hard is, for fear that my brain will explode.

>> No.1575425

>>1575410
>elitist STG fan

that's exactly what I DON'T want to become, an elitist gamer. I've done it before, and I've realized it's pointless and the only people who actually admire you are stupid people who are obsessed with the game. It's a false form of respect.

>> No.1575429

>>1575420
Extra and Phatasm.

>> No.1575430

>>1575420
Don't mind him, he's probably one of the faggots who say Mushihime-sama is easy too.

>> No.1575434

>>1575425
The don't play it and fap to the doujins. Happy now that we solved your dilemma by putting 2 and 2 together?

>> No.1575435

>>1575429
I can see you haven't played them.

PCB's lunatic is way harder than extra or phantasm.

>> No.1575436

also, what's up with touhou's difficulty curve? It seems like it's there, but it also seems like it's not....

>> No.1575437

>>1575429
Easier than Lunatic.

>> No.1575445

>>1575172
the satisfaction of setting the goal of beating a fuck hard game and accomplishing it. Haven't you ever striven to be better at anything in your life or are you just a whiny bitch and a quitter?

>> No.1575448

touhou is a hard game some people like it
others just don't enjoy it and they're allowed to
there are harder games and there are easier games. touhou is harder than average.
tl;dr i get trolled by the OP

>> No.1575449

>>1575436
ITT Whiners come out full force.

>> No.1575452

How do I save at this game?

>> No.1575453

>>1575445
Yes, I have. In fact, I look for that a lot in life, almost everything EXCEPT for games. A game being fuck hard means that the rest of your life is even fucking harder, which sucks.

I understand that challenge is a fundamental aspect of games, and fuck hard things are okay sometimes, but only after the game has been thoroughly introduced to you. Meaning a difficulty curve.

>> No.1575459

>>rest of your life is even fucking harder
How do I save at this game?
This is what /jp/ has become. This is the future of /jp/. I'm sorry.

>> No.1575473

>>1575453
I see you have never played a shooter.

The game doesn't have a difficulty curve because IT'S A FUCKING SHOOTER.

Shooters aren't even supposed to have an storyline, and they are usually harder than this.

The whole point of the game is overcoming the challenge, if you can't enjoy that then stop playing it already.

Sage for underage faggot.

>> No.1575478

I'm laughing so hard at the OP right now. Fuck! I...can't...stop...laughing! HAHAHAAH! Oh god, what delicious fail! I'm going to screenshot this occasion and post it to every imageboard I know! Haven't seen this level of fail in years. Thanks OP for making my day!

>> No.1575480

>>1575473
then maybe I just don't like shooters....
I had to force myself to practice on TF2, and I shouldn't have to force a game

then again, maybe I'm afraid something like TF2 will happen to me again....

>> No.1575481

>>1575473
All good STGs have a difficulty curve. It's hardly going to make money if the noobs can't even clear stage 1, is it?

>> No.1575483

Just go play IaMP or SWR OP.

>> No.1575485

>>1575481
It is in Japan. They have Arcade Difficulty and know what a real game is.

>> No.1575488

>>1575481
Of course, but OP's idea of difficulty curve is an step for step tutorial that takes 2 hours to complete and is 3 stages long.

>> No.1575491

>>1575480
>then maybe I just don't like shooters....

Glad to see this discussion is over.

>> No.1575497

ok then, let me all ask you this then

how the fuck do you manage not to get frustrated?

>> No.1575495

>>1575480
You are supposed to enjoy the ride, if you don't the game isn't for you.

I can't believe you aren't able to realize this.

>> No.1575503

>>1575497
I actually enjoy the challenge.

>> No.1575515

>>1575497
I'm not 13 years old.
Also >>1575503

>> No.1575516

>>1575503
so your telling you never ever ever EVER get frustrated at this game?

>> No.1575522

>>1575497
I want to beat the challenge.
When I started with IN I had to continue at stage 4. On normal mode, with border team and 7 starting lives.
I unlocked the last spell card that requires you to 1cc the game on hard with Reimu solo some months ago.
It's because instead of bitching at the game, I try to play better.
Still haven't beaten Lunatic though.

>> No.1575525

>>1575516
Everyone gets frustrated at some point, like with Yuyuko's last spellcard, but most are mature enough to get over it.

That happens with every fucking game though.

>> No.1575526

Wow, this thread is hilarious.

>> No.1575529

>>1575516
When you get frustrated it's time to stop and try again another day.

>> No.1575530

>>1575522
I tried it with 7 lives ONCE, and beat it, then tried with only 3 afterwords, because of how everyone says how fucking "easy" it is.

>> No.1575531

>>1575516
Only when it's 2am and I still haven't realised what I've been playing for 8 hours straight - which you should never, ever do. Your concentration will start deteriorating after the 1-2 hour mark, which is why it's important to take breaks between runs.

Protip: Drink plenty of water.

>> No.1575533

OP wants his hand held and told everything will be alright. This is 4chan, not shrinemaiden, so that won't happen.

>> No.1575536

1CCing PCB Lunatic was literally better than sex (get out of here unvirgin etc.). Without the challenge there is no feeling of accomplishment when you win.

>> No.1575538

hey OP you should take a break from touhou and play I wanna be the guy

>> No.1575543

>>1575525
no, I don't get frustrated at every game. And even if I do, it's usually only once or twice, not almost every time.

let me give an example as to when I get frustrated:

In IN, on spell practice, I've tried to beat spellcard 140 (it's one of Eirin's) 69 times now, and I haven't succeeded once. Those 69 times were split up into 2 sessions. I got frustrated after both of them.

>> No.1575550

>>1575543
Stop playing IN. Play MoF, it has much faster pacing, doesn't require as much memorization, it's way more fun to play and a much better game overall.

>> No.1575552

>>1575543
Malice Cannon rapes Astronomical Entombing

>> No.1575554

>>1575516

Nope, I'm playing with an arcade joystick/buttons setup and thus it brings the thrill and fun of old skool arcades home. The feeling is rather indescribable.

>> No.1575559

>>1575543
And I got frustrated only 1 time in Touhou, that was my first time on PCB's Final boss.

Your point is?

>> No.1575570

OP is still whining instead of getting better at the game.

>> No.1575584

>>1575570
no, I did try practicing. After I lost at this game, I thought "well, maybe if I practice I'll get better", so I made an effort and practiced. However, I noticed that I wasn't improving. At all. I would get better at maybe one thing or two, but the next day I would suck just as much as the other day.

Making an effort to get better, only to find that everything is the exact same is a shitty feeling.

>> No.1575596

>>1575584
You have 2 choices:
1. Give up.
2. Don't give up.
Pretty hard, huh?

>> No.1575610

>>1575584
It is, and 4chan isn't your blog either. What exactly do you want us to tell you?

>> No.1575624

>>1575596
but you see, at the end of the day, I DO want to improve and keep playing, it's just....I'm not improving...

>> No.1575630

>>1575584
It will be alright anon-chan :3!1 GANBATEH ^_____^

>> No.1575634

>>1575624

What type of controller are you using? If you're using a keyboard you might want to change to something else.

>> No.1575642

>>1575624
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Touhou_Wiki

>> No.1575644

>>1575634
I am using a keyboard.....

but I'm not sure that's the problem.

although if I knew what the problem was I wouldn't be raging and making a fool of myself. Thank god for the anonymity of the intarwebz

>> No.1575647

Everlasting appeal: Adrenaline when you are fighting the more intense boss fights (fuck year Yuyuko). The smile that creeps on your face while the music kicks in during that fight with pretty patterns and the daunting feeling when you realise you've started to trap yourself by moving about too much, or being in a bad spot.

If Touhou wasn't a challenge, it wouldn't be half the game it is.

Also, play Shoot the Bullet. Boss by Boss gameplay, lol.

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1575650

You clearly aren't taking it easy hard enough. Take it easy more. Then you'll succeed.

>> No.1575653

>>1575642
ya, I've been there. I've gone to the "general strategy" page and the specific strategy pages, they don't help.

I need help with not making stupid mistakes. The parts of the game that take strategy are easy for me.

>> No.1575661

>>1575644
Considering you can't beat easy, there must be some glaring problems.
Try watching some replays, you'll find some neat tricks, like misdirecting Youmu's opener, how to stream/switch streams, or the fact that you can autocollect items in IN at any power.

>> No.1575664

>>1575172

It's not ZUN's fault you suck. [/twocents]

>> No.1575668

>>1575550

>Stop playing IN. Play MoF

lol, next thread will be about Kanako rape. Mountain of Faith is a breeze right up until Kanako's final spell cards. Also bomb system in MoF means if you bomb more then once without getting more power-ups you'll be weakening yourself.

PCB is the best starter game in my opinion. It's a good mid-level difficulty compared to the rest that teaches you to be better when you move onto the others. Yuyuko will probably make you rage first couple of times around though. Well, that and the Prismriver Sisters. Still, stage 4 teaches you alot as the difficulty just hits a wall.

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>>1575653
>>1575650
Seriously, take it easy.

>> No.1575672

>>1575661
yes, I've been using the collecting at any power quite frequently in IN

>> No.1575678

Question! How do you capture spell cards?

>> No.1575676

>>1575653
Seems like you have gone from "Rah rah I hate hard games!" to "What the fuck am I doing wrong?"

That's a big improvement already.

>> No.1575686

>>1575668
I almost downloaded PCB, but instead I tried EoSD.

maybe I just got off on the wrong foot.

>> No.1575688

>>1575678
Reduce the boss's health to 0 for that spellcard, while not getting hit or using a bomb.

Some spellcards require you to time them out.

>> No.1575683

>>1575661

I'm not OP, but I've never done this. I learned to do most of these things just from playing the game and realising how the shots work and come up with my own ways to deal with cards based on memorisation. It's like reading a FAQ to get hints on completing quests, it takes the fun out of working out your own solution.

Though it would explain why I'm stuck at Normal difficulty levels for most games.

>> No.1575690

>What I don't like is when I lose, then have to replay the whole damn game again. It's boring, and you feel like the game is insulting you for making a few tiny mistakes.

Wow, you must have really hated the NES. Assuming you have even played one before.

>> No.1575691

>>1575678
It just means that you clear it. Don't die, bomb, or cancel your border if you are playing PCB. Also, make sure you deplete the boss's hp for that card.

If you see the large SPELL CARD BONUS, you're doing it right.

>> No.1575692

>>1575624
Then you aren't smart enough to learn how to play the game well. I don't know what you're expecting here, we can't make you dodge better or learn attack patterns.

The game is fun if you don't suck at it. Find another game that you don't suck at.

>> No.1575693

>>1575678

Don't lose a life, don't bomb. Deplete her health so she goes to next card before the time runs out. If the time runs out, she goes to next card anyway.

>> No.1575694

>>1575676
I meant to ask "what the fuck am I doing wrong?" in the first place, but tried to play it one more time before I asked this.

The rage blinded me.

>> No.1575695

The appeal of the touhou games is that they are HARD, if they where easy there would be no sence of acompluishment.

>> No.1575697

>>1575172
Dear op, read the following:

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/cgi-board.pl?task=thread&num=1380149+

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/cgi-board.pl?task=thread&num=1255692

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/cgi-board.pl?task=thread&num=1256424+

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/cgi-board.pl?task=thread&num=1163489+

You can find more of these at here:
http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/245617.html

>> No.1575698

>>1575686
EoSD is fantastic for learning to dodge random bullets though - all without seeing your hitbox.

Try out PCB though. It may be that the games just aren't for you, in which case, just fap to the doujins and download masses of music.

>> No.1575700

>>1575690
mario made you start the level over, not the whole game.

>> No.1575704

>>1575686
Just throwing out there that the last game I 1cc'd was EoSD.
>>1575661
Auto collecting items? I never bothered with replays apart from those ridiculous PCB's stage 4 lunatic runs so can you please explain to me what is that about?

>> No.1575705

>>1575691
>>1575693

Thanks!

>> No.1575702

eeeh? eeji modo?

>> No.1575707

>>1575700
And once you ran out of lives, you had to start back at level 1-1.
Same thing.

>> No.1575709

>>1575700
For the latest two games, MoF and SA, you can restart on the level you failed on though.

>> No.1575714
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1575714

Shikigami no Shiro is better than Touhou

>> No.1575715

>>1575704
>Auto collecting items?

In IN, tap focus once you hit the auto-collect zone, and you'll autocollect any items on the screen, even if you're not at full power.

>> No.1575718

>>1575704
In PCB, you'll notice that you can autocollect all the items on screen if you move above a certain line, around 2/3-3/4 up the screen. You need full power to do that, though.

In IN, you can autocollect above that line at any power level, just tap/hold focus. In MoF and SA, you just have to go above the line. No need to focus or anything.

Additionally, in SA you can autocollect by grazing a lot. The little gauge in the corner increases as you graze, and if you fill it you'll autocollect until it goes down again.

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1575723

>>1575704
Focus anywhere above the point where you autocollect normally when you have full power.
You will autocollect regardless of your current power.

>>1575683
I see your point, but if you have already done the spellcard a few times, watching a replay can give you interesting insights. It's not like reading a walkthrough for Monkey Island because you still have to actually do it, and watching a replay of lunatic doesn't make you beat it.

Picture related, Youmu is shooting upwards with her bullshit opener.

>> No.1575725

>>1575718
So I had to focus over there eh? Never thought about it.

Thanks.

>> No.1575728

>>1575700
"Mario" wasn't the only game on the NES, kid. Most of the games without passwords/saves had few or no continues. That's the whole point of having a limited number of lives. You fuck up enough times and you can't reach the end of the game, sorry, try again. Then you play it again until you LEARN TO PLAY IT WELL.

>> No.1575729

>>1575728
excuse me for not wanting to type out super mario bros.

>> No.1575734

>>1575707
Actually there was a trick that let you get back to stage 1 of the world you were on. Hold down+A and hit start at the title screen. Most people didn't know about it, though.

>> No.1575738

>>1575728
No, the original point of lives was to get kids to keep putting in quarters at the arcade.

>> No.1575743

>>1575738
What's wrong? Not enough regenerating life and shield gauges?

>> No.1575746
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1575746

Touhou is not hard. Protip: All retro games are hard in comparison to next generation games. Also, Touhou artificially increases its difficulty by not having infinite continues. The same could be said of all retro games that don't allow save points. This Mario game, for example, can you imagine how hard this game would be if you had to beat the entire game with only 4 continues? Touhou's lack of saves artificially increases its difficulty. Hell, even the modern games would be considered hard if they had no save points.

Touhou's blueprint is:

1. Fly through an easy level while trying to stay awake.
2. Fight a semi challenging boss.
3. Rinse and repeat 1 and 2.

The contrast between the boss's difficulty and the level's difficulty, alone, is enough reason to hate Touhou. Flying through a predefined 2 dimensional plane mashing the shoot button only to be defeated by a boss and be forced to go through the entire easy/boring level again. I stand by my words when I say Shoot the bullet is the only decent Touhou game. Shoot the bullet is Touhou without the filler.

>> No.1575747

>>1575700

I was thinking more along the lines of Ninja Gaiden, Battletoads, or the first Megaman.

Just imagine what would happen if games like these were released to today's generation of gamers (or people like you...) we would all fucking drown in their tears.

>> No.1575755

>>1575746
The two latest games do sport infinite continues and most people would agree that they are harder than their predecessors.

>> No.1575756

>>1575746
>Fly through an easy level while trying to stay awake

this is my first problem right here. After I keep playing the same level over again, I start to get bored with it, and eventually just try some crazy shit just to keep me awake. Which gets me killed.

>> No.1575757

>>1575746
Filler? Come back after playing PCB's stage 4 lunatic.

And you don't mash the shoot button in Touhou, you just keep it pressed.

>> No.1575761

>>1575746
>This Mario game, for example, can you imagine how hard this game would be if you had to beat the entire game with only 4 continues?
>Super Mario Bros. 3
>using continues
You're just fucking with me now.

>> No.1575766

>>1575757
>And you don't mash the shoot button in Touhou, you just keep it pressed.

O RLY!?!?!??!?!?!

>> No.1575770

>>1575766
Yes, I even checked the manual to be sure.

>> No.1575772

>>1575746

>I've played the first two stages of a Touhou Game and decided the normal stage itself is way too easy compared to the boss.

Nice going troll. All the games have a easy first couple of levels before everything gets tougher, main stage as well. In pretty much all the windows games from stage 3 onwards the stages themselves are almost as deadly with stage 4 onwards typically keeping you awake with their own interesting patterns. SA's stages 4-6 are almost as bitchy as their bosses. Stage 3 even has Yuugi pew lazors at you while dealing with chod.

>> No.1575777

>>1575746
If the levels are easy and the bosses only semi challenging, why would you need continues anyway?

>> No.1575785

>>1575757
And that's playing *for score*, as PCB stage 4 contains long easy sections if you're just going for survival. It's all about unfocused border grazing the suicide bullets.

>> No.1575786

>>1575770
Unless you're playing 4 or 9.

>> No.1575789

>>1575772
Oh god, the books.

Or the ghosts right before Yuyuko.
Or Momozi.

>> No.1575790

lulz, over half the posts in this thread are sages, and yet this thread just keeps going.

>> No.1575795

>>1575790
Sage doesn't do shit to kill threads.
That's not what it was meant for.

>> No.1575803

>>1575795
yes, I know, the point is to express your disgust at a thread. I think it's funny that it's still going.

>> No.1575816

>>1575803
>A "sage"-like function that actually works: sage has been misunderstood for ages—its primary function is not thread voting.

see http://www.4chan.org/news.php

>> No.1575818

>>1575747

Aren't they continuing to make the occasional Ninja Gaiden game for the real hard core gamers?

>> No.1575819

>>1575803
Actually, the original point of the "sage" function was to (politely) reply to threads without bumping them.

But that's a discussion for another time.

>> No.1575820

>>1575172
is this fail going to be archived?

>> No.1575825

>>1575803

>yes, I know, the point is to express your disgust at a thread.

Wow, you're a fucking idiot.

>> No.1575831

>>1575825
I'm afraid most of the userbase thinks like him.
All the "0/10" "shit sucks" posts and all.

>> No.1575833

>>1575831
2/10

>> No.1575841

Touhou isn't for those who can't keep concentration for an hour or so at a time.

Caffeine doesn't help either.

>> No.1575874

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>> No.1575880

>>1575874

Actually, it isn't.

>> No.1575895

I'm even more interested in when will the Touhou bubble burst.

I mean come on, things come and go.

Also, WHY I DON'T FIND THESE GAMES BORING!?

>> No.1575907

>>1575895

Does there need to be a reason? Though there is, do you really need to define it any more precisely than simply "I think they're fun"?

>> No.1575905
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1575905

first attempt of the day

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1575911

>>1575905
>Bombs Used: 0
>Continues Used: 0
>Game Completed: 20%

This has to be a joke. Nobody can suck this much.

>> No.1575917

>>1575905
OP here, and even I'm better than that :/

>> No.1575919

>>1575905
>png

>> No.1575944

Just concentrate on IN. It's the easiest Windows Touhou game, and it's very friendly towards people new to the genre.

>> No.1575981

>>1575697

Hahahaha. That thread at pooshlmer is hilarious.

Those pooshlmerfags guys got trolled bad by a single guy.

>> No.1575994
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1575994

After warming up.

>> No.1575997

At times like this, I can only quote the Angry Video Game Nerd:

"Why continue playing? Because you're angry and you wanna beat the fucking game"

>> No.1576000

My hands feel numb now. Is this normal?

>> No.1576007

>>1576000
No.

>> No.1576008

>>1575994
You look like you suffer from the same thing I do, not used to the idea of using a bomb unless you reach that one point where it's useful.

Better to abandon that thought.

>> No.1576012

>>1575994
It's good that you've started to use bombs, since they help a lot. They're best for when you are about to get hit, to save yourself a miss.

I would recommend, however, that you do not use continues. Replaying the rest of the game will make you much better in only a few tries, and because of that you will have more lives and bombs when you get to the parts that you're not good at yet. You'll also feel less like you're "losing" constantly near the end.

>> No.1576021

>>1576008
It's just that I haven't developed the reflex to bomb yet, it's more of a "I can't find anywhere to move" instead of "I just got hit".

>> No.1576024

>>1576012
this guy >>1575994
is not OP, just making sure you know that
>>1575917

>> No.1576033

It's funny because nobody on /jp/ plays the games, they're just faggots who talk about the characters.

>> No.1576054

>> No.1576059

>>1576024
I am aware. I was comparing >>1575994 to >>1575905.

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1576192

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiyglcRcCA dude just get a pc (and in some way pic related).

>> No.1576445

>>1575746
>>1575746
>>1575746
>>1575746
>>1575746
>>1575746
>>1575746
>>1575746
>>1575746
>Shoot the bullet is Touhou without the filler.
This is the TRUTH!

>> No.1576507

meh, i haven't been able to beat PCB on easy yet either. but i guess between this and playing musihime-sama twice a week at school, i'll eventually get better.

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