/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Mizone, how do you manage to get my dick so had, everytime.

>>15740761
Man, I think we just managed to post our threads at the exact same second.
>>15740763

>>15740779
We did. Which one do we use?

>>15740780
No clue, and worst/best case scenario is if one of our threads is deleted.

Do Jinkos chuff in the woods?

>>15740761
>>15740763

This is why a single person must create a thread BEFORE the current one dies.

>>15740785
>>15740780
This one, post number is lower

>>15740802
Mine just got deleted, so I guess it's this one then.

I bet it would be nice to teach monsters about human history

As stated in the other thread, I want to get drunk in a bar and get in an argument with a werewolf that ends with 'Don't make me impregnate you!"

Give me an example of a Monster Girl better than Lamias, and your reason why its better.

>>15740791
Yeah, absolutely not.

>>15740821
Holstaurs, legs.

>>15740821
But you just posted a Dragon.

>>15740821
Echidnas
>Echidnas are powerful snakegirls

>>15740821
Shoggoth doth be a better wench, for she can transpose herself into any other wench.

>>15740821
Hellhound, everything about her.

>>15740830
Please get back to your MonMusu page, Doppel.

>>15740820
>Don't make me impregnate you!
I wonder how much of a threat this can actually be in MGC, like something to say just to bully the Alps.

>>15740830
But she looks best as herself and not a wench

>>15740828
thats a lamia

So then, which individual monstergirl would fare the best living in space?

In a small, mostly self-sustaining ship, she has to live as independently as possible.

I'll accept individual character answers too.

What happens when you yank alp tails?

>>15740840
Matango

>>15740838
Kiyohime is a Dragon that has incidentally been drawn as a Lamia for whatever reason.

I want a lamia to laugh at my tiny penis!

>>15740838
No, Kiyo is a Ryu.
A very clingy Ryu.

>>15740834
I would use that as a threat and follow through if need be.

>>15740821
Slimes. Because when you yell "I'm gonna get your breasts pregnant!" in the throes of sloppy titpussy paizuri, you actually might.

>>15740833
I just want KC to give us a proper shapeshifter. Shoggoth is pretty much the closest we have. Doppelganger just turns into a single, soft waifu.

Still though, I much prefer Shoggoth over Lamias.

>>15740841
You receive orgasms squealing noises.

Repeated pulling may result in lewd puddles on the floor while the alp begs you to keep going.

>>15740848
She seems pretty immobile and slow? What about when critical repair need to be made? Or if a fire hazard breaks out? Or if she needs to conduct EVA?
Don't forget how different her source of sustenance is.

>>15740859
you didn't include that in the prerequisites

>>15740821
Any wolf girl. Loyalty, actually has a warm body, legs and arms, fur, great fighters, best eyes, best everything.

>>15740851
Y-you wouldn't dare!

>>15740857
Tanuki and foxes have mythological basis for that, not that KC utilized it all that much.

I want to teach a loli Kiki to keep her butt and urethra all plugged up because those holes are dirty for a maid and should only be used with Master's permission.

>>15740858
Orgasmic*

Autocorrect is my enemy.

>>15740821
Crow Tengu for being so cute.

>>15740777
Agreed.

Mizone is damn fucking great.

>>15740867
I would.
I'd rip off my pants, rip off her pants, slap her on the table, and impregnate her while shouting 'You made me do this! You made me do this!"

>>15740849
>>15740851
I cant read moon runes anons

What would you do if your waifu was actually adopted and her adopted mom was an Alp?

>>15740862
Independent living in such harsh, dangerous conditions includes the need to keep oneself sustained, able to perform EVA and ship maintenance, and perform critical repairs in the event of a disaster.

I want to hug an automaton and teach her love

>>15740882
Look up the legend of Kiyohime through google.

Now go look at Fate Grand/Order.

Would monsters take responsibility?

>>15740857
If there's one thing that reading Psyren taught me, it's that Doppelganger's are pointless if it doesn't result in a Twinsome.

>>15740885
Tell you to stop forcing your shit and fuck of to /lgbt/.

>>15740885
If she's actually my waifu I wouldn't care at all because there's no chance that any silly Alp memes would rub off on my true waifu.

>>15740840
I'm going to say Automaton. We don't know the canon power source yet, but it could operate without much heating, no atmosphere in the ship, without gravity, and just recharge their power from the ship itself. It would be easy for them to find ore to mine in asteroids for supplies and repairs as well, and if something did happen to it's body, it could always transfer itself to the computer.

>>15740892
How about a fairy? Small and can go in the tight gaps for repairs

>>15740897
No

If an Automaton makes a Golem does that make her a mother?

>>15740820
We don't have enough monstergirl bar taunts.

Instead of threatening to send her to the emergency ward you'd threaten to send her to the maternity ward.
Only to get back
> "U fukin wot boyo give me 1 2nd 2 nek dis pint b4 I ass u"

I think they'd also threaten to "Give you a one-way ticket to Stockholm" as a euphamism for kidnap-raping you until you develop the syndrome.

>>15740869
Forgot about them, but you're right anyway. Not nearly enough focus on the magical tricks that the are capable of, especially considering shapeshifting is a part of Kitsune historical lore.
>>15740898
Hey now, Doppelgangers may not be the wild changing creatures I wanted, but they are still damn cute, and plenty fine for solo lovin'

I want to dress my Kobold daughteru up in her bright pink latex catsuit and then cuddle with her on the couch until my Kobold waifu gets home from work!

>>15740921
>They threaten me with a ticket to stockholm.
>Implying I won't shout "Oh yeah? Well too bad! I already find you attractive!'

>>15740885
Love her anyways and bully her mom.

>>15740924
And then begin the sacrifice ritual so that the child's soul is given to the feline old ones?

>>15740915
Yes.

You can never escape

>>15740931
N-no?

My daughteru's soul belongs right where it is anon, inside her body! No sacrificing, especially not to a cat! There's no need for sacrifices if we're already perfectly happy as we are.

>>15740946
Then why is she in the sacrificial cat suit

>>15740906
Well, we know the "canon" power source will be some semen reactor, or something suitably retarded for KC.
Let's just say she's nuclear or battery powered for now. The chances are the actual ship would be nuclear anyway. There's no way sustaining a life-supporting ship with solar panels could work in deep space, as far as I know.
But an automaton is an interesting choice. She has no need for oxygen, and therefore no need for a life support system as we know it. Reminds me of that newer race in the FTL game, who don't need to breathe, so their default ships just don't come with O2 units.
Yeah, Automaton seems like. Pretty sensible choice.

>>15740907
That is a pretty interesting idea, though. You could make everything smaller as you needed it to. In fact, a ship of the same size, but designed for a fairy crew, would have even more shielding, and even more room for cargo and systems because of smaller manned areas and open spaces.
Less food, water and air consumption too.
Only issue I can see a fairy running into would be asteroid mining. She'd still need to carry tools powerful enough to mine, so I don't think they could be downsized and still retain effectiveness, and she might be limited in how much she could carry. Not because of weight, of course, not on an asteroid. But because she'd need to take such proportionally large chunks.

>>15740940
>>15740940
you can easily escape from hugs

>>15740948
There is no sacrificial catsuit! Just a plain old pink latex one!

>>15740952
Put the mining tools on the ship

>>15740924
Does the kobold wife get the bright blue matching latex catsuit?

Also, more importantly, when are you going to be writing more? I crave it. I need it.
Your Sniabko commission was really nice, too.
Look forward to seeing what you commission next of the kobolds, whenever that might be.

>>15740962
Yes pink, the color of the old nyans

>>15740957
You may escape her hugs but you will never escape these threads

>>15740963
Of course, that's a pretty easy fix.
In that case, a fairy would work out pretty damn well living in space I imagine. Personally, that's kind of surprising to me. I'd never really thought of a fairy as a contender there.

If an Oomukade gives you a bottle of liquour in Zipangu doesn't that make it Giant Centipede whiskey?

Good night anons, take care and don't burn down the thread.

Instead, remember that familiars are perfect for cuddling when you sleep.

Small, fluffy, and soft, they're built for this sort of thing.

>>15740967
Why would one escape her hugs?

I want to pay a kiki with money instead of head pats

>>15740964
The waifu gets a matching red one, one that she's been wearing under her clothes all day at work.

As for the writing and the commissions, I'm not quite sure. Probably bet on commissions first though, I'm working an extra day every week now so that means less free time, but more money. As for writing, I have a couple thousand words of a draft done, but it's slow going.

>>15740965
If you say so anon, I think you're just being silly.

>>15740978
It's summer and it's too hot, she needs to wait until winter to come visit me for hugs

>>15740988
I think it is more silly to sacrifice a dog to a cat

Did anybody actually try that succubus summoning thing an anon posted awhile back?

>>15740988
Under the clothes all day? Sounds sweaty.

I know that slow going feel when it comes to writing though. Don't worry about it, so long as writing is being done. Just don't leave it too long for your own sake, otherwise you might lose enthusiasm, or your train of thought when it comes to making the whole story.

Any ideas you're thinking of you definitely want to commission?

>>15740971
Not unless it's made from her sister's dead carcass.

>>15741010
Come now, don't be so silly?

Do you really think we'd get an answer back from the anons who successfully summoned a succubus?

Is is possible to impregnate mouth-pussy?

>>15741032
Does that make a throat baby?

>>15741032
Only if she is a slime

I want to have a few thick holsts to live with, is that so wrong?

>>15741016
>Under the clothes all day? Sounds sweaty.
Sweaty and slimy and very, very hot. And comfy!

>Any ideas you're thinking of you definitely want to commission?
That's the main issue, I don't really have any. I don't think many artists would be willing to do what lewd things I could easily come up with, and I don't want to get something generic just to get it.

>>15741032
You totally can impregnate a Shoggoth's mouth pussy.
She'll just move it down to where it would normally be.

What happens to flat chested Holsts?

>>15740981
What if "headpats" is the actual currency they accept? as in their money is called like that, imagine a Kiki being hired for 50 headpats the hour.

>>15741060
Died out. Natural selection.

>>15741060
Their chests get spanked until they grow.
If their chest's don't grow, they get spanked again.

>>15741062
Sounds like an odd system of money, I wonder how the exchange rate is

>>15741063
>>15741066
I'd make sure they survive

>you will never listen to your daughteru sing

>>15741060
Nothing that a few messages can't fix.

>>15741056
>I don't think many artists would be willing to do what lewd things I could easily come up with, and I don't want to get something generic just to get it.
Yeah, I can see where you might be having a problem with that.
Can't think of any artists of the top of my head who have a real passion for drawing bondage, for instance.
And it really is a tough fucking time finding English-speaking artists who do loli.

Now, finding someone with a good art style who fulfils the two above criteria? Can't be easy, or cheap.

>>15741080
Exactly.

>>15740981
Vera looked expectantly at the door. Master would be home any moment now.

She was squeezing her dainty hat with both hands, trying and failing to calm down. Was she too obvious, showing herself without her head covered? Would Master find that uncouth?

She could hardly get herself to care about modesty now. It was finally payday.

The door opened with a slight click, and Master stepped into the spotless kitchen, wearing his trademark smile. "Vera! I have something for you"

Vera closed her eyes and tilted her head downwards, grinning like mad. But instead of the heavenly feeling of Master's fingers running through her fluffy ears and silky hair, she felt a soft weight in her lap. She slowly opened her eyes, confused. An envelope?

"I have to say, I wasn't so sure about hiring a maid, but you have been- oh, uh, is there a problem?"

Vera didn't even count the bills. She stood up, still smiling, and threw the envelope in the garbage. She returned to the table and sat on the chair as before, staring at Master all the while.

"W-we can negotiate your salary-"

"We can negotiate nothing. You will pay your maid as your should" she said, her voice cold as ice "Now put those firm, well groomed fingers on my head AND FUCKING PET ME YOU HANDSOME PIECE OF SHIT"

>>15741068
>odd
I think you mean "fucking retarded".
This headpat shit should've died out months ago, but it's kept going in these threads somehow.

>>15741083
Shame her master is so dense

>>15741083
Is she willing to negotiate the number and kind Headpats she will receive?

>>15741083
I guess I can use the money I would pay her to give her gifts like a ring

Monsters girls with monster tits.

I love the phrase "monster tits"

>>15741097
Admit it, monster tits are lovable no matter the size.

>>15741097
What would a monster with human tits look like

>>15741097
Ten table girl has some pretty monster tits, in both senses of the phrase. She's got organic zippers to hide her nipples, after all.

Man, she really is one of the most perfect designs in MGE, if not The most well designed.

>>15741106
Fuck me. Tentacle girl, I mean.
Piece of shite touchpad.

>>15741097
Yes.

>>15741106
>Ten table girl
A shoggoth banquet hall

>>15741097

>>15741074
My daughteru, just like her mother, doesn't know how to sing but yet I listen to their beautiful song.

>>15741074
Would you get your daughteru that karaoke machine she (and your wife) wants, even if they can't carry a tune to save their lives?

I want to live with a Desertnuki and rub her with oil!

>>15741117
Ewwww
Monoeye

>>15741117
I'm going to knock her up and make her a single mother.

>>15741116
Okay, that's pretty good.

Also makes me think of some horror scene where a guy wakes up in what looks like a pristine gold-and-pearl banquet hall, but all the doors and windows are locked. Then as he panics, he starts seeing things. Eyes on the doors, mouths on the tables, the plates and bowls are made of tongues, and the food is all purple breasts and nipples.
Then the chandelier turns into one huge, yellow eye, watching him run about, as the walls start to turn to black goo and melt, the he floor becoming more and more like warm quicksand, pulling him in.

Shoggoths are pretty neat.

>>15741127
Is this better anon?

>>15741125
>Oiled up Desert Tanuki
>All that shining delicious brown
My brother.

>>15741132
Go away /monster/.

>>15741116
Would Shoggoths allow people other than their master to "use" them? I wouldn't think they would.
>Coworker is interested in the motorcycle you're selling
>Have him follow you home from work
>Takes a look at it, likes it, decides to buy it
>Invite him in for a bite before he goes home
>Grab a plate and fork and hand them to him
>Your Shoggoth maid suddenly comes flying into the room and snatches them out of his hands
>"M-Master, please, this is my job. P-please be seated."
>Kind of weird, she's never acted like that before, but you guess she's just more serious about her duties than you thought
>After the two of you leave the kitchen, she flings herself towards the sink and begins scrubbing the plate and fork while muttering "Getitoffgetitoffgetitoff" over and over

>>15741139
what if she isn't that great if a maid, because when she cleans she is just assimilating instead of actually cleaning

>>15741137
Never been there. So keep talking shit if you wanna get hit son.

>>15741139
Nah, they'd be fine with it, if it's in the name of whatever plots or tricks or scares they might want to subject others to.

>>15741131
Sounds like a pretty comfy place to just kick back and let your mind wander.

>>15741145
You'd do a better job at being a bare-faced liar if your filenames didn't give you away.

>>15741145
I want to flick a Small Breed Arachne on the forehead for being a little shit and then go make out with her Large Breed sister!

>>15741150
Seriously dude. I've only been here, I've saved that pic about a month ago while browsing here.
But enough of this bullshit. Let's talk about delinquent girls.

>>15741158
What about monsters that look like delinquents but are actually part of the student council?

>>15741139
I think that would make sense, but following DL "dicks other than my husbands feel like nothing" logic, it's possible that she doesn't get sexual gratification from the touch of anyone but her husband.

>>15741162
Great anon, you've just given me another idea for a story that I'll never write and hate myself even more because I'm not writing it.

>>15741158
Then it wouldn't have that filename. Sorry, you can't bullshit that easily.

>>15741166
If you don't want it I'll take it.

>>15741162
Would the prim and propper looking one be the gang?

>>15741166
Don't worry, doesn't sound like an interesting idea anyway. Like its the most tropey, typical anime schlock idea in the world.

>>15741169
Sorry I don't change filenames when I save shit, but I'm telling the truth here and you seriously have no evidence of me going to /monster/. I literally had to google what site /monster/ was a part of just now.

>>15741169
Not that guy, but I save pictures with the filenames I see them with on this site. Not everyone comes up with some clever little quip for their filenames.

>>15741158
>>15741169
Can both you motherfuckers just shut up and post cuddle pics,

>>15741158
Would delinquents not have sex at school?

>>15741178
OK

I wonder what an Ushi-Oni little sis would be like

>>15741158
i want a delinguent hellhound to pin me against a wall and steal my first kiss!

>>15741175
>>15741177
That's the point. This is a dumb thing we're talking about, but 4chan filenames don't have the "-#" suffix on the end. Eightchan uses that because of its ability to let users post multiple images a post.

>>15741191
She'd piggyback on you all the time like the world's most adorable backpack.
Any girl who hurts her big bro has to answer to her though! Break his heart she'll take off her seal and break your ribs!

>>15741195
What a great little sister, might be hard to let he be a back pack after she grows

>>15741193
I want a delinquent Hellhound and her smug friends to chase me to some isolated alley where no-one can disturb us, pin me down and steal my virginity!
I want to steal her first kiss in return, look her dead in the eyes and tell her and her friends to "take responsibility".

>>15741198
Even why she is larger than you she will want piggyback rides

>>15741198
You'd probably be pretty buff from carrying her around all the time. She's also got a pretty good eye for people so you bet your ass she's not going to let a girl date you if she knows that she'll break your heart.
Weird how she's so chill around that girl next door though. Even calls her "Big Sis". I wonder why?

>>15741198
If she gets too big, then you should become her backpack.

>>15741206
>"Big Sis"
Would she be a pygmy Ushi that the younger Ushi looks up to

Why aren't you learning to draw yet, /mgt/?
It's a universal and always useful skill anyone can pick up, and so many resources exist within easy reach for you to learn from.

>>15741217
I can barely write legibly

>you will never be breastfed by a holstaurus

>>15741227
Writing and drawing are two different things entirely.
Besides, doctors can't write legibly either, but just look how well-off they are.

>>15741229

Guys help, the Imp I've summoned isn't cute or obedient at all, she acts like a delinquent and throws fireballs at me if I anger her!

>>15741217
>Why aren't you learning to draw yet, /mgt/?

Because I already dumped years in writing due to no entry requirements and I don't have a tablet + years of interest in learning to draw

>>15741233
Not him but my hands shake like crazy. I'm physically incapable of drawing a straight line, and my bank has locked my account a bunch of times because my signature is wildly different every time.

>>15741233
I cannot stress how floppy my wrists are.

>>15741235
Ask her to be your friend

>>15741235
You know what you must do anon.

Kill her dead.

>>15741235
Headpats can tame even the deadliest of Demons!

You could also pound her tight ass until she ahegaos

>>15741236
You could get competent in a couple of months. And you don't start out with a tablet, your start out with paper, and a pen or pencil.

>>15741217
Because my hands shake so much i actually think something is wrong with my nervous system.

>>15741217

I've started some months ago but im still not very skilled yet. Still keeping at it tho

>>15741060
They all grow up beautifully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HKoOYdhkq0

>>15741235
>pic is a monsterboy
explain yourself, anon

>>15741246
Already did. Interest tanked a couple days in.

>>15741217
I think I'm getting better now that I'm actually trying. I might be able to post some content soon!

>>15741060
they become tsundere

>>15741256
Great, it was an Alp all along.

That's just perfect.

>>15741265
I'm fine with that

>>15741117
>Hitomi-sensei!

>>15741217
I'm trying to but after practicing and being bad at it I have no idea what to draw even with my favorite girls I don't know what to make for them

>>15741237
That's not just your shaky hands, drawing a straight line is hard. There's a reason rulers exist.
That said, drawing from the elbow and shoulder gives you more stability and control, especially over larger distances. The wrist can stay locked unless you're working on finer details, like an inch or smaller.

>>15741239
Lock those wrists. It's not like writing where the lines are always tiny. I'm pretty limp-wrested myself.

>>15741217
Procrastination level's too high
Seriously

>>15741261

Drawing is something that you improve in after a long time of doing it. There are shortcuts other than drawings constantly and pushing yourself to learn new thing

>>15741267
>alp
>monsterboy

Yeah, no. Piss off and stop trying to sneak your shit in here.

>>15741279
Not him, but I have to ask, how did you know it was a boy?

>>15741286
I'm not >>15741256, if you're getting confused over that.
Still, I recall that image being posted before with people trying to pass it off as a monstergirl.

>>15741275
No really. I can fit my thumb and middle finger around my wrists. They'll be no locking down.

>>15741270
I like to imagine that monoeyes think all dicks are huge because their inability to percieve depth bleeds over into their other senses.

> "Waaaaa~, it's so *big*"
"Actually I'm average..."
> "You're too modest Anon, if you use that thing on me I'll be ruined for marriage~"
"If you say so. Here goes-!"
> "Nngh! Aah! N-no, I c-can't... possibly take any m-more inside!"
"It's literally just the tip, and what are you talking about, you're like a head taller than me"
> "Haah, so deep! ~So deep!~ You're kissing the entrance to my womb! Be careful Anon, it's not a safe day <3"
"OK you can stop talking now"

>>15741286
it's a character from yokai watch named TETSUYA. he and his evolution are male

>>15741278
I am aware. It's just different to writing since both demand a different type of interest to actually be able to go through with the long time required to git gud. Trying to draw with the only motivation being 'I want to draw nicely' isn't going to do much if you don't have the underlying interest in drawing like one may have in writing.

Otherwise I'd have dropped writing after a few days like I did with drawing.

>>15741235
Why have people been shitposting with monsterboys so often lately? It even peaked in the previous thread.

>>15741251
Maybe you should see a doctor about it to check.
It's no excuse when you consider how sketchy some styles can be though, while still looking amazing.

>>15741253
Neat. You the one who's been posting the doodles, like the Hershey's slimes and stuff?
I wonder what your drawing will look like in six month's time.

>>15741297

So is it a natural reaction for Monster Girls to start talking like they're straight out of hentai during sex or what?

>>15741297
Make her wear a ball gag, jesus.

>>15741309

>Neat. You the one who's been posting the doodles, like the Hershey's slimes and stuff?

No I'm Murchez

I haven't posted my drawings here actually

>>15741304
I wanna hug that fox.

>>15741310
Given how much of it they watch in their teenage years, shlicking away while telling themselves that 'tomorrow' they'll finally pick up the courage to rape a boy at school... I would expect so, yes.

Hey Anons. How many dragons does it take to change a lamp?

I wish some mecha musume Pixiv artists would draw stuff of KC's Automatons, as it'd be a great way to expand on how varied and modular as a monstergirl species they'd be.

>>15741319

So they all start out as being horrible at talking dirty?

Fuck I could at least come up with a few things and I'm hopelessly single

I'm on the fence about buying the MG Encyclopedia II, even though I know no moon runes.

Does anyone here or at the wiki have immediate plans to scan the book? If not, I can try.

proof that shortstacks are the best

>>15741297
I can see that leading to cute scenarios IF their eye works just like human ones, but would we not just appear bigger than we really are as a whole to her? I don't think there'd be that confusion.

how do you milk a holstaurus platonically and not sexually

Don't take it.

>>15741304
I'm gonna rub that belly and no one can stop me.

>>15741272
If you start of trying to draw people, and your favour monstergirls no less, when you haven't learnt the fundamentalz beforehand, you might risk getting discouraged.

In terms of things to draw though, look at everything which you enjoy, which comes together to make you, you. Shows, events, styles, media, hobbies, objects.
That love for drawing, even if you're not doing well at it, has to come from inside you, though. Even if it's just a love for practice at the most basic level, with seemingly no improvement, that's more than good enough.

>>15741293
Anon, I can do exactly that with my wrists too. Like I have REALLY thin wrists, but I can still lock them. It's literally just a case of holding a pen, then moving your elbow joint and shoulder joint for lateral and longitudinal movement, without flexing your wrist joint. Being relaxed holding the pen works well too. Find the perfect balance between being relaxed and firm, basically.

>>15741335
Where are these motherfuckers coming from anyways?

>>15741217
it takes around 6-7 years to be actually good at drawing if you have no talent

I have no talent

>>15741339
>happens every day around the same time
It's obviously one butthurt dude.

>>15741332
Same way you do with a regular cow-straight face, keep your mouth closed ( if you yak too much, somebody's shit will end up in your mouth ), and always remember: it's squeeze and pull, not pull and squeeze. The former gets milk, the latter just puts her in a bad mood.
Also, if you know one has a calf, make sure to never get between the two. She'll fucking trample you.

>>15741305
Just a recent wave of shitposters, I'd guess. Take a look a little higher up in this thread and you might get a hint as to where they're from.

>>15741297
It's attached to us though, unless she's seeing just the cock. That would be a weird first time. And Hitomi-sensei would thoroughly, considerately and intimiately examine you before making love to you for the first time!-muffeled "Kyah!"-

>>15741297
> "Waaaaa~, it's so *big*"
I want an Orz girl now.
Maybe she can use her *many fingers*

>>15741345
Hopefully they get wiped out before the weekend starts then.

>>15741314
Oh, right. I remeber seeing your Tumblr too. Keep at it dude.

>>15741327
They really are. That leg tensing is sublime.

>>15741352
>he bit the bait
The fuck is wrong with you dude.

>>15741327
geez oh man

>>15741340
You know that's not necessarily true right?
There's been people in like their fifties or sixties who've gone their whole life without drawing, then have taken around one or two years to actually become competent. And at that age, no less.

And who gives a shit about how long it'll take, anyway?
That argument just means you should start sooner, rather than later, and now rather than sooner.

High five!

>>15741364
If she leans forward too far does she bite herself in the stomach?

>>15741344
What if the Holst begs to be dicked before you have finished? how do you deal with such an emergency?

>>15741326
You're going to have to tear up the book for good scans.
I'm sure someone intends on getting around to it.

>>15741364
Remove scorpions

>>15741359
Uh, all I said was I liked shortstacks, and the leg tensing in that picture was sublime.

It's like the dangling leg thing, where the girl is still in the air, but when that electric feeling of orgasm runs through the body, it just makes every muscle tense and lock up. Seeing a really clear visual depiction of that is pretty nice.

>>15741366
No but if she stings herself, will she get horny?

>>15741217
>>15741251
>>15741352

>>15741374
Venomous animals typically are immune to their own toxins. So no, they won't suffer the effects of their own sting.

>>15741368
You do like you do with a regular cow.
Cows are nearly a ton of meat, so you can't make them go anywhere, only encourage them.
What you do is you grab the Holst by the horns and turn her head in the direction that you want her to go, namely back into her stall or outside the barn. Then you give her a good smack on the hind, and she just gets going. Works every time.
Then you move onto the next before she can come back, and she just goes about her business. Cows are stupid.

>>15741377
I love you Art Fairy, but only platonically.
>>15741379
Well then she needs Manticore barbs?

>>15741377
OUT OF NOWHERE

autumn/summer version of "It's spring/summer" when

>>15741386
"it's spring/winter"*

Damn

>>15741338
I doubt I would miraculously find a way to lock my wrists after all this time.

>>15741377
I need this Fairy in my life.

>>15741352

>Keep at it, dude

that's the plan

>>15741382
Well regular cows are way easier, they don't seduce you and whisper lewd things into your ear so you get a massive boner during the whole process.

Also you can't dick regular cows can you?

>>15741377
This might actually be one of the most heartwarming things you've drawn.
Considering the context, it's a picture that shows a message of support and encouragement.
But th idea and execution is amazing. It's a shaky line, a hand holding a pencil, and a fairy, but like any clever logo or symbol, it says so much more than that. A simple image that speaks volumes, is relatable and impactful, and encouraging to anyone who might be struggling as a beginner artist.
And it's a cute, universal picture you could probably post outside the thread without the message or impact being lost, either.

>>15741400
I thought it was just supposed to be cute.

>>15741397
>spoiler
I mean...

>>15741404
Maybe it's both.

>>15741397
You can, but you need a stool.

>>15741408
Do you think centaurs would blush when you "brought out the stool"?

>>15741389
When I say "lock your wrist", I don't mean there's some secret method to keep it complete rigid.

Just hold a pen, or a cup, or anything vertically in a natural way, so it's a straight line up from your pinky to your forefinger. Literally like you're just holding a cup in front of you.

Now it's just a case of moving your arm about by pivoting the elbow and shoulder to move that object, cup, pen, whatever, around in front of you. Left and right over your keyboard, bending your elbow for overeat of your arm away and towards you.

That's all there is to it. That motion, where your shoulder pivots to more your arm left and right, and where your elbow pivots for away and towards you.
Now just hold a pen and apply that motion as y oh make lines across a piece of paper. The lines won't be perfect, because it might be a really unnatural movement for you, and it also takes practice to get a straight line, but something should come of that. A smooth, flowing motion where you don't need to constantly readjust your wrist position to make a continuous long line.

>Monster Girl Thread
>Opening image is a furry

This place has really gone down the shitter.

>>15741434
Is this bait?

>>15741434
Anon I don't think you know what words mean. That's a kemonomimi. Still shit, not monstergirls, and an awful OP image, but it's not furry.

>>15741434
>kemonomimi
>furry
What the fuck mang.
>>15741440
Kemonomimi are monstergirls.

>>15741434
Because horse pussy definitely isn't bestiality either huh.

>>15741446
Barely. Either way, they shouldn't be used as an OP image for monstergirls, and kemonomimi posters shouldn't forget that they're barely tolerated anyway. It's the cosplay shit that drags monstergirls down, and you need only look in the last thread to see the reasons why they should be put in check frequently.

Just don't reply.

>>15741428
It's weird. I don't like it.

<<15741465
I prefer doing it this way

>>15741439
Why would you even ask that question?

>>15741468
Neither did I at first. It's a technique that shines for lines longer than an inch or an inch and a half, because after that point, you can't really move a pen in your fingers without it curving along the axis your wrist pivots on.
Trust me, if you just draw a few dozen lines with some exercises like that daily, you'll get used to it the same way I have.

>>15741479
You can't catch mermaids without bait though.

>>15741483
Nah.

>>15741479
We must keep asking questions. We're through the looking-glass here, people.

>>15741486

>>15741491
That's cute, but thats no shark-girl fan fiction character from MonMusu.

>>15741321
None, because when the lights go out a true dragon will show you her shine.
>"A little fire that warms is better than a big fire that burns"
This is the model phrase for the principle of compassion among Dragonkind.

Now if only I had artwork of a dragon offering her lap as a pillow to one or more people, as she took up the night-watch by a bonfire.

>>15741483
I don't know man, my arm still shakes, and those movements are uncomfortble as hell, are you sure about this?

>>15741322
Give it time. I'm sure many would love to jump on it, but understandably, almost no one wants to do anything too specific without the profiles first.

>>15741489
>We're through the looking-glass
If only.

>>15741498
I daydream at work about heading to the loading docks one day and being knocked out cold by lamias and taken to a village to be a tribe husband, ne'er to be heard from again.

I want to stay in the burrow with the hatchlings while Momma Wurm goes mammoth-hunting!

>>15741364
She's tiny, but I accept!

>>15741500
I daydream about my Shoggoth waifu sitting on deck, knitting fake scarves quietly to herself, while sending tendrils of her body into the water, down my umbilical, and into my wetsuit to pleasure me while I work.

>>15741502
how dare you?

>>15741495
It's a method I leant a couple of months ago, and have fallen into using it pretty comfortably.
If you still have your entire arm shaking from the shoulder down, then you might have a weak arm, or you're just not used to it, or you might have a condition, who knows.

I'm taking it from the Drawabox lessons, and unfortunately, I can't physically show you, obviously. But if it really isn't comfortable, I guess don't force yourself. Or do, because it might just be learning pains.

Seriously though, I get longer lines which are way more fluid with this lateral shoulder pivoting, though longitudinal pivoting for my elbow isn't as smooth. The wrist will still be the best for small lines and precision, though.

I guess you can check the lessons out yourself, if you want.

>>15741465
Reply to what?

>>15741511
Seems like too much work.

>>15741509
You can't leave them alone, you know. They might burrow so hard they bend space-time and end up in another dimension, like Earth-2 or Cake World.

>>15741508
I'm going to make a guess you're an underwater welder?

>>15741516
Welcome to doing literally anything worthwhile whatsoever.
That apathy's the most dangerous thing there is.

>>15741519
Isn't that a comic book?

>>15741519
yup, amongst other tasks.

>>15741520
>not using your apathy to become a Grey Lantern
Son, do you even, like, ehh whatever.

>>15741523
why is she grabbing that tail?

>>15741520
Nah. I won't be good at it anyway. Practice is a meme.

>>15741530
She's behind the fence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-SqvtoRgsI

>>15741521
i read it once. A north sea diver gets trapped in some sort of time travel shenanigans right? or has a vision? it wasn't very clear on that point.

You don't need gigantic cow-tits, child-bearing hips, a wasp's waist, legs that don't end, a butt you could bounce a coin off or a body built out of bricks or the market's best cuts of meat to be one deadly sexy girl.

But it sure helps.

>>15741554
dont know what I'm looking at, but whats Shirimes deal?

>>15741554
Niet.

>>15741539
So unless you're good at something, never try?

We like Monster Hunter monster girls, right?

What would a Dinovaldo/Glavinus girl be like?

>>15741565
>Shirime (尻目?, lit. "buttocks eye") is a strange yōkai with an eye in the place of his anus.

>The story goes as follows: Long ago, a samurai was walking at night down the road to Kyōto, when he heard someone calling out for him to wait. "Who's there?!" he asked nervously, only to turn around and find a man stripping off his clothes and pointing his bare buttocks at the flabbergasted traveler. A huge glittering eye then opened up where the strange man's anus should have been.

I didn't want to know this, but now I do.

>>15741532
I wonder what sort of world we'd live in if Chowder said the same thing you said, and really believed it. Or Latenight. Or Snibako. Or Monorus. If they said that months or even years ago, and they just stopped because they didn't see themselves getting good, or getting better.

>>15741568

I don't think we watched the same video

>>15741574
That's what I got out of it.

>>15741571
Wow, im fucking sorry I asked. I assumed the eye on her butt was metaphorical for something.

>>15741568
Are you fucking retarded?
The video basically says if you're not good at something, try even harder.


>>15741570
Very bottom-heavy. Basically like Churio.

>>15741573
But they have actually have talent.

HAHAHAHA HOW DO YOU MAKE A MONSTER GIRL OUT OF THIS SHIT

>>15741565
>Shirime
Based on the research I just did and even though this artist like isn't including her key feature so literally:

You can't surprise butt-sex her. In fact you're very unlikely to be able to sneak up on one in general.

That said, she'll be able to experience making love from at least 2 views always, unless she chooses otherwise. The secondary view mainly giving her an extreme close-up of how you're connecting.

>>15741571
How the fuck do you turn this into a monstergirl?

>>15741583
Yes, you dense fucking piece of trash shit, how the fuck do you think they actually GOT that talent?

>>15741582
But there's not much of a point in trying to improve in something you'll always be terrible in. Or are you saying every kid that plays High-school Football could go pro if they wanted to?

>>15741584
Please clean up, we already have >>15741571 and it's really not difficult to imagine that it's some mystic tattoo eye on the womb or more likely, on the 'dimple of venus' area of the girl. Hell, it could even be right on her butt, but again a little imagination can make such a feature work wonders.

>>15741584
>>15741586
>>15741585
>>15741571
Have they finally gone too far?

>>15741589
Because they're naturally good at it?

>>15741594
It's been a long, long time since this Youkai came to be. I'd be fine with >>15741585
or >>15741593, with a few more unique elements to the whole "mystic eye" aspect.

As for the original creature, assuming it could run backwards proficiently, it'd be a pretty good way of charging past a dangerous entity without exposing yourself headfirst to danger, literally.

>>15741593
theres literally no reason to clean up posts talking about actual monsters, when theres reaction images like this that nobody complained about. >>15741498 >>15741145

>>15741606
Those are monster girls. We don't need more than one image of the Youkai though, so there is a reason to clean the latter one up.

>>15741593
Relax, Anon. I've already deleted both of my files.

>>15741502
Can momma Wurm mistake you for one of her hatchlings?

Can you become some sort of Wurm Tarzan?

>>15741610
There's a limit as to how many files you can delete at a time anon.

>>15741591
You must actually have some mental condition if you're being this obtuse. Are you seriously, genuinely, unironically comparing a sport like football, which requires you to be a certain height and mass, to drawing?
This is the different between drawing and sport, like take basketball for instance. Chances are you won't be pro at that unless y ours six foot tall, but even then it's not impossible, it just requires that you put in even more work, and might get less of s result than someone taller using less effort. Which will be disheartening as fuck, but just means you have to work even harder.

The difference between that and drawing is that drawing doesn't require anything from you, physically, except the ability to make a mark on a medium, even if it's holding a pen in your fucking foot. All it takes is practice, and of course there's always going to be different levels and rates of improvement for people, because we're all different, we think and learn differently. But more importantly, we practice differently.
And the truth is, if you spend more time than anyone else practicing something, you'll be the best at it. If you spend the most time, working as hard as you can, you leave no room for anyone else to overtake you. You will get better faster than anyone.

>>15741613
I'm sure she'll nurse whoever she finds in her nest.

>>15741609
no, those are reaction images. It doesn't matter what face is on them, its a waste.

As for the Youkai, someone asked about the monstergirl, so they posted some historical imagery of its origin. Thats way more on topic than "lol smugface"

>>15741571
>>15741593
You seem to have misplaced your image, here you go.

>>15741606
Anon, the first one you linked there already was deleted.

>>15741610
I think this is the think blockhead in Okami is based off of.

>>15741631
not until after I replied

Good thread so far.

>>15741625
Don't be a shitposting dick, Anon. Someone does a thread a courtesy, you're just making things worse by intentionally trying to stir things up.

>tfw you'll never have two kikis fighting over you

>>15741625
Fuck off faggot.

>>15741637
How very, very odd.

2spoopy4me

>>15741637
>two meidos
>chooses two of the same thing, instead of glorious birddog and blackberry jam combo.

You dont need that many Kikis.

>>15741637
Damn right I won't. If those two won't behave themselves I'll find someone else who will be able to do their work AND are capable of working together.

>>15741634
Doesn't help that there hasn't been any clean-up.

>>15741618
Yes I am. Some people are just inherently good at things and practice only makes them better, while others ever improve. If practice was all that was needed to be good, there would be much less bad artists or writers or dancers or singers. Take Ed Wood for example. he put a lot of work into his movies and books but was terrible at it.

>>15741657
>Ed Wood
Literally the Alp of cinema.

>>15741654
A few one or two posts have been greyed out, I've noticed. So there's been a little bit?

>>15741660
>A few one or two posts have been greyed out, I've noticed
Non-inflammatory posts.

What kind of monster would be a pediatrician

>>15741637
Now this is an image with absolutely nothing to do with either monstergirls, or their origins or anything. Just a random picture of human sluts, and a hypothetical greentext.

Wheres the public outcry on this, huh?

>>15741657
So that's it? Just throw in the towel because people exist who are bad at things?

Have you even tried to practice, to get better? And I don't mean for a few days or weeks of drawing. I mean actually trying, for months, because that's where the payoff will come.
And there's such a thing as practice. In the right direction.
With all the styles and methods and techniques that exist, from the abstract to the realistic, are you telling me there's literally zero room for you to improve? Do you know that for a fact, really?

>>15741662
Yeah, well, I won't talk about what sort of posts get deleted nowadays, for obvious reasons.
No one here can safely.

>>15741666
A Bi-curious Baphomet.

>>15741674
I do. I've never been good at anything in my life, so why waste the time?

>>15741673
It's what I've come to expect from maidshit and kikiposters. I hate it too, but you'll get blocked if you tell that Anon to delete it.

>>15741674
Dude, first rule of motivation, you cant help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. Let him rot.

>>15741678
You've never been good at anything because you've never "wasted" the time to try and be good at anything.

>>15741666
satan

>>15741675
Pedos out.

>>15741684
Sshh, lol is are top tier. And a bapho paediatrician sounds hilarious.

>>15741682
Because I know I'll be bad at it. All the artists here improved more in months then I did in my entire life.

>>15741680
i'm agreeing with you, even though I waifu Shog. Its the double standards that really twist my fibers.

>>15741689
Shots are great, but their potential is tied down by the crap maid stuff. Otherwise, they'd have so much more interesting stuff written and made about them.
And yeah, it's double standards. But again, we're literally not allowed to complain about it for fear of being banned.
This is the future you chose.

>>15741694
*shogs

Would a kiki try and be my chair after a Shog bullied her about how she can server master better?

>>15741681
All I've got are my words. If I could, I'd reach through the screen and wallop him a few times to show him how dense he's being. Probaby break my fist over that skull too.
I hate seeing people throw away potential like that though.

>>15741687
Oh wow, gee, I didn't you know had fucking omniscience. So you can just peer into the life of every artist, their pasts, and see exactly how they improved from the very first time they picked up a crayon?
And I didn't realise you had such startlingly precise clairvoyance that you can see into your own future, from now until your death, knowing that you will never be good at art.
Get real, you're bullshitting yourself with this faux-depression emo shit because you're a lazy gobshite content to wallow in your current status quo.
And we've already told you how you can fix that, easily.

Lot of salt in this thread today.

>>15741697
>>15741694
Shots are great too. I'd take shots of Shogs.

I admit, the maid part is certainly focused on way more than their actual physiology. A woman who can litterally craft any tools or shapes at will, would be a modern day MacGuyver, Tons of potential there for way more than playing house. Id,hire a Shog cat burglar in a second. She could slide under doors, pick locks, hide loot inside her, blend in with her surroundings, etc...

>>15741706
Salt and swears are basically the same as tough love.
Like a coach from a sports or fighting movie who treats you hard, but does it with good intentions.

>>15741702
>server master

geeky Shog gamer is a better raid party member?

>>15741706
See, this is what happens when the salt shipment comes earlier than the pepper shipment

>>15741702
Of course!

There's no more intimate act of servitude than that of being able to be used literally as a tool for the well-being of your master.

>>15741702
I'd rather have a vampire chair
>>15741715
dammit my joke

>>15741704
I know that I won't be good at art because I am me and aware of my limitations.

>>15741712
imagine the battles Kiki Guild and Shog Group would have

>>15741715
Shallchair Bloodpumpin, nice.

>>15741722
And what are your limitations? Why are they there?
How, quantifiably, are they stopping you from improving at art even the slightest amount?

>>15741732
Chairtear Bloodrising.

>>15741729
Kikis would probably be a healthy mix of healers and tanks, and Shogs are all strict DPS

>>15741736
Shallshlick Pantsufallen

>>15741742
Shallpad BreastFallen

>>15741735
I draw slightly above a grade school level, my wrists are pathetic and I'm just going to give up anyway.

>>15741746
This seems right.

>>15741719
Innocent-looking, definetly-evil, loli vampire serving as your personal slave maid.

But is she doing it happily, begrudgingly, or through gritted teeth?

>>15741746
Oooh. I didn't know we were bullying her now.

>>15741748
>my wrists are pathetic
Masturbate more

>>15741755
I already do.

>>15741753
But slavery is illegal

>>15741759
Anon, you're either lying about one or the other. Or you use toys and need to get back to basics.

>>15741764
If I didn't jack off all day, would I be here?

>>15741761
Not on the moon, it's not.

>>15741770
As an American I would have to free her

>>15741767
Truly the eternal question.

>>15741327
That doesn't look all that comfortable or fun. I'd rather a big girl.

>>15741753
Kiss the Elf.

Just be yourself.

>>15741773
She doesn't want your "Freedom".

>>15741785
How could someone like being a slave

>>15741748
>I draw slightly above a grade school level,
So did I, well into adult years, until I staeted practicing.
>my wrists are pathetic
So are mine. This hasn't changed, and it doesn't need to. Drawing doesn't need to be in the wrists.
>and I'm just going to give up anyway.
This is what separates you and everyone who's made something of themselves.

I'm going to bed now, but ruminate on this.
People who are smarter and better than you know that it's okay to fail, over and over. They are smarter and better than you because they've failed so many times, and they know it's okay because they've wound up smarter and better. Before that, everyone's all jut like you.

And hey, if you really don't want to get good, then be the best at being shit. Like ONE. Just look at what being bad at art can achieve, if you at least keep being bad at it.

>>15741777
I don't know, put a few pillows down for your head, her head, and your knees, and it could be pretty amazing to hug, dominate and envelop her like that.

>>15741787
We're all slaves to something, Anon.

>>15741801
Only to time

>>15741788
What if I fail and never improve?

>>15741793
Rather be hugged, dominated and enveloped, personally.

>>15741801
Why is Hakutaku Sensei disappointed?

pick a writer here to show a monster.

>>15741801
>You'll never be a slave to your Kikimora maid's gentle humming as she cleans your ears

>>15741554
I am very fond of slender + tall hornsDefinitely not pushed further by F/GO's Shuten Douji
>Hinoenma (飛縁魔 or ひのえんま, Hinoenma), known also as Enshoujo (縁障女 or えんしょうじょ, Enshoujo)

>A yokai who looks like a beautiful woman who seduces men into killing themselves. At first they seduce them so their wives leave them and then eventually, once they have nothing left, she makes them kill themselves.

>Also often described as a Succubus/Vampire spirit that draws energy/blood from its victims

I'd wager a week with a Lilim that in MGE they're women who were left by their husbands. The purest of lovers whose affection naturally became bonafide despair.

Their purity lives on, however, in that they ensure the husband properly, however painfully, breaks off all ties with those that would stand in the way of their relationship - which is often just the woman he originally left her for.

They simultaneously go about thanking the people who supported them when they were left by their husband. Being monsters now, however, it sometimes earns them a collection of physical and emotional scars, which they happily endure for their greatest desire.

Free at last, the most monstrous aspect of them shows. That is their firm, but kind resolve as they force the man they've reclaimed to face his inner demons in earnest over what he's done, up to and including any factors that may have strained their relationship originally. In doing so they are empowered.

Following that a marriage ceremony just for the two is held. Here they share with their husband their intimate ability to read the hearts and thoughts, yes the very life force of others. Only now it is personified and made manifest as a spectral phenomenon for their eyes alone. The two will be driven to embrace in their own way, from the very slightest touching together of their foreheads to the deepest connection they can share as man and woman, as their hearts and minds join together in a way that far surpasses anything they can achieve physically.

After that, however, just when their husband thinks they knows her in and out, he is claimed with a passion, unexpected of the considerate though calculating disposition they held up until this point. It is a necessary act for them to show without their powers now, that they didn't just take their husband back because they can, but because they want to.

And that they want to have something that's a little bit of him and a little bit of them: a child to call their own, no matter how many nights they must beg for it with their bodies or how long they must wait..

>>15741811
becuase we dont care for her advice

>>15741812
Eh?

>>15741812
>shitposting a guide by Alp
You're a bully.

>>15741812
June is the best.

>>15741829
You're what ruined the story you fucking traitor.

>>15741812
Could you try that again in english? You want one of the characters written by one of the guys in the books?

>>15741812
I would give them the shitposting book as a warning about about coming here, then ill scare them my telling them he isn't even near the worst ones.

>>15741834
I want to make them read Vengeance so they think all boys are like that.

>>15741833
I think what he's trying to say is
>"What book in the picture would you show to the monsters?"
Anon needs to get his shit together.

>>15741812

She really could pass for a wurm. Not that I'm complaining.

>>15741812
I'd show them Losenis because he wrote a story based on a greentext I did and I appreciate that greatly.

>>15741812
I don't know who to pick as I don't know any of the names shown.

>>15741837
vengeance is the one with the angry dude and the horses right?

>>15741853
Yes, and also the girl in that picture.

>>15741853
Yeah. They'd be scared that humans are out to get them.

>>15741860
>a cautionary tale about how boys who don't get enough hugs and kisses from monstergirls go bad
They would love it.

>>15741832
kek, you are the guy from the other day, I can't believe this butthurt. Who cares, the story was awful anyway.

>>15741815
Hinoenma is pretty obscure if you're searching in the English language, but she's got some varied depictions.
-the art from that game up above, 'Fearless Night' (which is greenlit on Steam):
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=229288585

-Yokai wiki entry:
http://yokai.wikia.com/wiki/Hinoenma

-Persona series:
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Hinoenma

-Concept art for something, pretty nice:
http://bamuth.deviantart.com/art/Hinoenma-523925260

-NIOH (beta released 2 days ago):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mooyx7TS2gI

>>15741867
Expect for all the parts that are antimonster. I'm not sure they would like that.

K-kero?

Is Vengeance over? What exactly happened?

I last remember the smug having a chat with a lead pipe.

>>15741877
Still going. Hasn't been updated in awhile but it's still a good deal further on than that part.

>>15741877
Pussies threw a fit and now YBA is writing new endings to make them happy. He's abandoned what the story should be about, so I don't care anymore.

>>15741876
She can tongue herself so deeply.

>>15741872
It would be interesting if they twisted it into antispecies stuff instead.
>That would never have happened with a holstaur around
>This is why you can't ever trust anything from wonderland

>>15741876
>>15741876
those frog boobs are too big

>>15741883
all of this asshurt about a shitty story kek. go outside once and awhile.

>>15741891
They'll probably just cry and wonder why human boys hate them so much to think so little of them.

>>15741894
So you admit to ruining the story?

>>15741892
Isn't it great?

>>15741897
i haven't read it, but I've seen your buttblastedness every time Junefag shows up. i become aroused by your frustration, and thank you for the many orgasms you've given me.

>>15741901
I like nice average athletic boobs

>>15741883
Bullshit, you wouldn't whine so much if you didnt cared about it.