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>>15550875
You already spend all your time on a computer, it won't be much different.

RAN FAGS BTFO

> Like Ran, Chen is actually "the shikigami possessing a bakeneko", but in her case
> the possessed bakeneko is a clearly distinct being. As she is vulnerable to water
> both while possessed and in her original state, splashing water on her will dispel
> the shikigami.

This is sad, Chen isn't cute at all, Chen is stealing the body of a cute thing.

Why would you choose to be a nine-tailed fox?

Wait, what

>>15550955
I think it means "Ran" isnt the fox. Ran is the one controling it.
Basicly it's possessed, and Ran is the evil spirit while the one possessed is the Kyubi.

Why would Zun do this? Holy shit he finaly gives her attention only to imply she's less than what we were led to believe.

>>15551056
But this raises a question: What exactly is Ran's true form? If she has any at all.

>>15551094
Nothing. She's just possessing something, This is what those who move on to Nirvana in 2hu are like, formless.

This convinces me Yukari is also something possessing Maribel, probably what all those eyes are.

So, basically this cute family is composed by alien-kind parasites who use the body of other 2hus?

>>15550875
It just means that "she" never shifts from shikigami-mode and just runs Yukari's orders 24/7

>>15551160
Yes.
Zun has effectively stripped an entire faction of moe and made it more sinister. I picked the wrong side in cute Gensokyo v grimdark.

I am reading other articles now, but kinda hoping my other favourites arent treated like this. Eirin produced no new info, Kaguya is selfish, Remi is cruel, Sakuya hinted again to be a vampire slayer. Koakuma not mentioned so far.
Currently praying Reisen and Hong are spared the Yakumo treatment.

>>15550875
ZUN does it again.

Bravo.

>>15551160
Those nameless kyuubi and bakeneko don't classify as 2hus

>>15551193
We could see that years ago.

Just look at those crows who Yukari used in SSiB.

Well congratulations ZUN, you had to go and ruin even more.

>>15551247
lol Moefags BTFO again

>>15551253
Moe nothing, this is just flat out turning something on its head.

>>15551094
A shikigami. Doesn't seem like they have physical forms.

>The Scarlet Mist Incident is notable for being the first time spellcards were used in Gensokyo. Before the rules were established, Remilia, who had come to Gensokyo along with the Scarlet Devil Mansion, had rampaged however she pleased until the other youkai of the time were sick of it. Immediately after the rules were established to reign in this new "rascal", she started the Scarlet Mist Incident, as if to use them as soon as possible. In that sense you could say she is a spellcard veteran.
Remilia confirmed as the vampire whose actions led to the creation of the spellcard rules

In the grim darkness of the current present, there is only edginess.

It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred years Yukari has slept in Mayohiga. She is the mistress of Gensokyo by the will of ZUN and mistress of a million youkai by the blind belief of the human village.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Every time ZUN revisits a character, he makes things worse.
Here we can see that exemplified as he effectively turns two 2hus into non-characters.

>>15551317
You say that like all the tsukumogami aren't effectively "non-characters" because their real form is the item they hold and not the cute girl.

See: Kogasa, Medicine

>>15551311

>>15551243
That was totally different. Shikigami were tools sure, but it wasnt like this.

>>15551317
He forgets them and we suffer, he revisits and we still suffer.
He said Koakuma is basicly nothing, no expansion on her. Not sure if I'm insulted or grateful.

>>15551324
Those are extensions of themselves. Here, the actual entity is nowhere to be found.

The question is, does Ran's power come from herself as shikigami or the nine-tailed fox?
Nine-tailed fox is said to be almost divine. if Ran's power merely comes from it then as shikigami she is almmost powerless?

>>15551329
What do you expect from a character made merely to give you power-ups?
He never thought two random creatures he made as midbosses became popular.

At least in response he made Tewi and later Momiji and Kisume.

>>15551324
Totally different. Tsukumogami are born from something. This is the opposite as it reduced characters, Ran isnt a Kitsune, just someone possessing one. Kogasa isnt possessing anything, she's an object come to life.

Atleast with Kogasa it's the whole thing. Chen and Ran are effectively split personalities, Ran just keeps her other personality supressed.

Why do this?
What dos this even add?

I guess Kitsune Marisa is my new waifu thanks to Ran being a fucking spirit. Cant wait until she gets a name then gets ruined several pages later.

>>15551351
Ran is an Ex boss.

And then he went on to shit on Momiji's relationship with Aya.

>>15551351
Both I assume. She possesses the fox that gets stronger.
While having her own power that grows with it.

If he mentions them he could atleast elaborate on them instead of denying them. Allthough I'm really wishing he forgot Ran and Chen. Not getting uch screen time now this.

>>15551357
It's time to switch to Kancolle where the girls are exactly made as waifu material.
In Touhou, ZUN will shove jap myths as much as he likes.

>>15551247
>>15551317
>>15551329
>>15551357
It's not like you were ever attracted by Ran's personality to begin with, you hypocrites, you just saw a foxgirl and it tickled your inner furry

>>15551377
To be fair Aya and Momiji was just clarification, this is making things more complex, inverting them, etc all to reduce a character. Why?
I wonder how 2ch reacted to this.

>>15551377
Momiji's relationship doesn't have anything to do with it.

She got name and info. ZUN start giving midboss characters backgrounds after EoSD but when he's lazy he made them a spirit ball or something.

I really fell bad for "Chen".

maybe she had a true family when she was possessed by that "thing".

>>15551391
>Personality
You mean autism and fanon?
Because canonically she was bored and spent time on pointless equations, and Yukari called her boring.

You can make all the excuses you want about how this is shallow, but it's like online relationships, the thing you like is a persona, not something with a basis in the real world. This does effect her personality btw, she has enslaved a sentient beings body and supressed it's mind and soul. Thats fucked up as hell, and when she dies she can just hop to another victim as she ha no body. Kitsune Marisa is fucked.

This is nothing more than ZUN getting rid of the moe crowd, now that they are finally moving on to cuter things.

>>15551419
Chen is young. Ran's victim is far worse, entirely supressed and likely to remain that eay until death.

I'm going to assume that the process was voluntary and that "Ran" chose to let herself be possessed for Yukari. It'll make me feel better.

>>15551431
That's what I'm saying, that nobody liked "Ran" for anything else than being the foxgirl 2hu, and that didn't change. What changed is that her boring personality is not that of the original 9-tailed fox but that of the shikigami Yukari created
>This does effect her personality btw, she has enslaved a sentient beings body and supressed it's mind and soul. Thats fucked up as hell, and when she dies she can just hop to another victim as she ha no body. Kitsune Marisa is fucked.
Learn how shikigami work in 2hu, they are basically spirit software installed on spiritual beings to act as slaves, they do not exist on their own. And since kitsune-Marisa seems to be weaksauce, I doubt Yukari will bother with her once she needs a new slave
>>15551452
Yukari is a nasty hag, she probably enjoyed formatting that fox to install her own custom ROM

>>15551452
Isn't "Ran" the spirit while the fox is just irrelevant youkai?

How about this? maybe the shikigami spirit is the one who give the kitsune and bakeneko human form.
Without it they are just animal-shaped youkai.

How is this new news to people? You actually think this "ruined" Ran? We ALWAYS knew that this was how shikigami worked in Touhou, they are just software that gets programmed and uploaded into something.

Good.
Fuck Ran, and fuck her 'fans'.

>>15551501
What about Chen?

>>15551307
I think the Makai genocide might also be related to it

So they're spooky ghosts now?

>>15551489
>How is this new news to people?
You know why
>>15551519
Cancerous /v/ermins or just contrarian lolicons at best

>>15551160
Two alien parasites and a psychology student

>>15551519
Chen is an innocent victim. An angel pure as the driven snow. She will be remembered as a martyr for all things cute.

Spammers can drop dead easy, though.

>>15551533
No, they are computers running a program, like they have always been

>>15551389
But those are shit waifu material.

>>15551489
>>15551542
Don't act like you knew the exact way it works anon, thats just not cool.

>>15551489
I knew being a shikigami was like being a computer, but was it ever said anywhere before that the shikigami is a distinct entity that possesses the host?

>>15551564
Yeah, that's what waifu material is, anon.

>>15551542
One that disobeyed, did its own things, and needed chastisement on occasion?

>>15551570
It was already stated multiple times, the only thing that is new is that Ran is the name of the shikigami and not that of the fox
>>15551578
Ever used Windows?

>>15551580
That is a pretty substantial new thing.

>>15551580
>the only thing that is new is that Ran is the name of the shikigami and not that of the fox
That's literally the whole passage is telling us, Ran is not the fox, its the Shikigami itself tell me one source that outright confirms that they were two separate entities, "installing" software could mean a lot of shit, but this outright tells us straight upnew information

>>15551580
A program does only what it is instructed to.
The fact that Ran went against orders and actually spent the majority of her time doing what she wanted is what made people think "y'know maybe that's not the whole story here."

>>15551570
You're responding to two different people.

How could it have ever been anything else? A shikigami is not a concept, its an actual being. The youkai is the computer, a shikigami is the software that is installed.

I really love ZUN when he add edgy shit.

>>15551609
Shikigami is a bit different than program, maybe. It can go haywire.

>>15551120
Yukari isn't a shikigami.

>>15551609
Because Ran is incredibly powerful.

Chen is not, so she can't do what she wants.

>>15551609
The computer program thing is just an analogy, it's still all based on magic and Gensokyo's "what the fuck is logic?" approach to things

I want a copy of ran.exe

>>15551630
>"what the fuck is logic?" approach to things
Which is yet another reason they had to think that things might be different.
Along with the fact that Yukari is notorious for embellishment and/or lying.

>>15551193
>Eirin produced no new info, Kaguya is selfish, Remi is cruel, Sakuya hinted again to be a vampire slayer.
None of that is new.

>Koakuma not mentioned so far.
Koakuma isn't a real character.

>>15551634
I want to put a copy Ran into my calculator!

>>15551635
But isn't this thing came from ZUN's mouth himself?

>>15551612
Don't act like Touhou is 100% to what it takes from nor does it only take from one source, a key example would be Shinigami, I guarantee if it was something else you'd act the same way

>>15551652
This thing, yes.
Which is why it's the big deal that it is.

I'll just ignore that, thanks.

I'm gonna corrupt Ran's code!

Could another shikigami hack Ran?

>>15551619
No, but she can manipulate boundries.
It's not like you need shikigami to possess things, evil spirits are similar.

>>15551689
[citation needed]
for all we know yukari could be full of shit

I want Ran to possess me and then kill myself!

I look forward to all the body-swap porn that isn't going to happen.

>>15551696
Souls exist in Gensokyo.
A body is just a physical container.
It shouldnt be hard for her to change boundries to transfer a physical body.

>>15551681
Perhaps, but they'd have to be able to hack Yukari's code to do so. Chen, on the other hand, is apparently rather buggy.

>>15551193
Gensokyo was always a fucking dangerous place. People didn't like Ran for her personality (which didn't change btw), you were just a furfaggot and liked that she was a fox.

>>15551329
>>15551193
Koakuma like Daiyousei isn't a real character and never has been

>>15551716
I'm referring to the "yukari can manipulate boundaries".
At this point it's likely that "Yukari Yakumo" is just a massive con.

>>15551681
Installing a ransomware on Ran! Accepting bitcoins or paizuri as paymment!

These delicious tears is what I've been waiting for.

Thanks ZUN for delivering.

Where can I download RanOS for my phone?

>>15551735
Why would this be untrue?
Gap bullshit and border crossing show this, she opened the netherworld and visited the moon.

wtf i hate Ran now

Guys, I accidentally Ran...

>>15551733
She was a "gentle guardian" with a daughter figure.
It's not hard to see why people might like that.

>>15551749
Did "Yukari" really do that?
Or was it just a ruse by a powerless little girl who has won the eternal loyalty of a powerful spirit?

>>15551757
>"gentle guardian"

Are you sure?

>>15551757
>She was a "gentle guardian" with a daughter figure.
You should learn to differentiate between canon and fanon, you might avoid further disappointments like this one

Given the extremely high ratio of disgusting secondaries that worship Ran this likely wont affect her fanbase or fanart at all.

>>15551761
What's the difference? A rose is a rose by any other name.

>>15551765
Why would it?
After all,
>there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.

>>15551763
She was described as gentle in PMiSS and is clearly protective of Chen to the point of violating Yukari's directives.

>>15551763
The article in the OP confirms she is gentle.

>>15551765
As long as Ikuta Takanon doesn't exceed with the furry I'm absolutely okay with that

>>15551738
Ran is the software not the fox.

You're having sex with literally who, might as well go to Monster Girl's world.

>>15551715
On one hand it's a pretty gruesome revelation, but on the other hand I kind of want to see corruption porn based on this information now.

I'm gonna set Ran's 'cooling' to max!

>>15551761
It would have no reason to serve her.
No proof any being above her exists.

>>15551771
it's a pointless technical change, just like installing RAN.EXE on a dead fox.

Could a youkai copypaste Ran source code?

>>15551765
Momiji is still drawn with dog ears and tails to this day.

They don't care about canon to begin with.

>>15551757
So how does this change anything. Ran's personality is still her own personality. It's just not originally her body.

>>15551785
"yukari" finds RanOS.
RanOS is dying for some reason.
"yukari" installs RanOS on a desd animal she found.
RanOS is eternally grateful and absurdly powerful.

>>15551797
Because everyone associated that with the whole package (the fox working for Yukari), now we find out it's split in two and the personality is fabricated.

>>15551805
Shikigami spirits are created, not found.

>>15551809
plot twist: Ran is not actually a shikigami, but was made into one

>>15551806
The thing people are likely going to be more upset about is the implication that the original owner of the body has either been trapped her possessed body for who knows how long, or been straight up deleted.

>>15551829
It's a whole pile of bad, really.

What if Ran is actually a robot?

>>15551781
Casually doodling new orders on a bound Ran's back as she writhes and screams as foreign thoughts slither into her head. Laughing as she begs you to at least spare her most precious memories.

>>15551829
It's just shows that people only care for the fox body than the spirit serving Yukari.

Why don't just go play Fate/Extra if they want real qt fox so bad?

>>15551806
>>15551829
It always fucking was, even if the Fox was "working for Yukari", we've known forever that she was reprogrammed into a servant somehow and was no longer acting entirely of its own accord. That's how shikigamis work, "Ran" is this forced personality uploaded onto the fox youkai. She's strong enough to have her own shikigami, which is also forced on the cat of ill omen.

People need to learn to differentiate between the "muh cheeeeeeeeeeeen" fanon and what's actual canon, like >>15551764 said maybe next time they won't throw a shitfit over something like this.

This is exactly why ZUN barely ever gives concrete details on things, because autists go ballistic.

>>15551851
Writing a new (lwed) control system for Ran's body while her mind is trapped in a body that will not respond to her commands!

>>15551858
This. Just confirmation that people who liked Ran actually didn't like her personality at all.

>>15551872
Maybe they did and don't like the idea that it's manufactured?

>>15551768

>>15551869
Oh yes, that's even better.

Ranfags BTFO

Chenfags BTFO

Moefags BTFO

Great day.

>>15551859
The previous information gave the picture Ran is somehow magically compelled in exchange for power or some shit like that, not that she's a completely separate being possessing some unrelated body. I'm not even throwing a shitfit, I'm just telling it how it is.

Complaining about secondaries is completely irrelevant here, since they made fanon/meme Ran already so far apart from canon that this probably isn't going to change anything, or "stick it to the secondaries". It just makes the canon lore more bizarre.

>>15551887
C'mon now, ZUN didn't actually said that.
Shikigami in their basic form might be still a sentient being with mind on its own, even though it's made for specific purpose.

>>15551926
Actually this makes me like the Yakumo family even more than before.

So you are telling me Ran and Chen are not actually beast youkai, but ghosts that possess beast youkai?

Goddamn ZUN really breath new life into things every time a book is released.

>>15551943
Literally shikigami

>>15551859
>It always fucking was
You keep saying that, but things were far and away more vague beforehand.
There's worlds of difference between "entirely different being" and "become my shikigami," especially when prior material treats the fox and Ran as the same.

>>15551869
What would you have lewd Ran do?

>>15551952
I thought ZUN was being humorous when he said shikigami is like a computer, now they are actually OS and the physical forms are the hardware, dayum.

'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as "Ran", is in fact, a shikigami, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Kitsune plus RAN. 'Ran' is not an creature unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Youkai system made useful by the magical corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by Yukari.

>>15551964
RAN is not an open source.

>>15551964
the fox is the framework upon which the OS runs, ran is the kernel, so more accurately, you could refer to it as FOX/Ran, or as I like to call it, FOX+Ran

Now when will we learn that the real Suwako is the hat?

>>15551964
The fox Yukari installed an OS into might have a name on her own.

>>15551932
Shikigami are constructed for a specific purpose, you don't just summon them.
It's something you do to a host, there is no such thing as a "basic form" shikigami.

>>15551829
Oh my god, Yukari being an evil brainwashing hag?

What shall we ever do?

>The widely regarded authority among beasts is this nine-tailed fox youkai, Ran Yakumo.
>A fox with nine large tails, her prestigious pedigree displays her divinity.
>The one who has enslaved this strongest of the beasts and uses her for various mundane tasks is the strongest youkai, Yukari Yakumo.

>>15552006
>ZUN
>consistent

>>15552006
>enslaved
There we go.

I was always under the impression that Ran was some sort of feral, quadruped animal youkai before agreeing to serve Yukari, which made her into the being we see today.

I don't think this new information is really good or bad. It's just weird...I can't really make anything of it unless we know anything about the fate of the original kitsune.

Also, this conflicts with some things, like how Ran inherently loves aburaage, and how two of her titles are "Unusual Animal" and "The Scheming Nine-Tailed Fox"

TLDR; Meh. I'll care when Ran is a game or manga again.

>>15551992
Worship her even more.

>>15552021
That is traditionally what fox youkai are, though they can appear in humanoid form if they so choose by shapeshifting.

Yukari will never rewrite your OS.

I expert Yukari to be an expert programmer who customizes all her shit and never buys commercial.

>>15552021
It basically means the kitsune isn't there and Ran is more or less a bodysnatcher.
BRAVO ZUN.

>>15552021
Maybe it starts adopting some of its host's habit.

Also it's not wrong to call her by these titles. The shikigami already take the role of being nine-tailed fox.
That's why ZUN said it's fine to treat her as such.

>>15552038
Ricing with Yukair!

Finding a youkai in the woods to overwrite with Yukari!

>>15552006
>The one who has enslaved this strongest of the beasts and uses her for various mundane tasks is the strongest youkai, Yukari Yakumo.

>>15551956
ZUN literally says you can consider the entire being Ran if you want

>>15552070
>ZUN literally says you can consider the entire being Ran if you want
He can, but that doesn't change what he just said "she" is.

The audacity of this hag.

>>15550875
Maybe the Kyuubi that got possessed was a member of the fox youkai village.
Now, you manually thinking about the cute fox youkai that disguises herself as Marisa getting possessed by a shikigami.

>>15550875
what other dark shit is lurking in touhou lore and where can I find it?

>>15552106
Game dialogue and print works.

>>15552106
Print works. They're not hard to find. Forbidden Scrollery depicts Gensokyo as the dark youkai-infested place we all knew it was.

Is funny because Ranfags has spent years writing nonsense stuff about her waifu being free of Yukari's hand. Or even more, putting Ran above her master, but ZUN again has bitch slapped them.

>>15552119
Forbidden Scrollery is the few works I didn't read. Figures.

>>15552096
She will be sent to the moon for suicide mission.

>>15552106
Mostly print works. Protip: Cute Gensokyo and Grim Gensokyo are both the same thing.

Picture kinda related, it's a moe looking youkai that can read minds and eat them.

>>15552123
>putting Ran above her master
Literally when?

>>15552123
It's funny because you think this is going to change a god damn thing.

>>15552136
Well I always new their was dark secrets to uncover, just didn't know this dark and this many.

ZUN called Yukari "Nasty" . She's the nastiest of them all.

>>15552119
>Forbidden Scrollery depicts Gensokyo as the dark youkai-infested place we all knew it was.
For christ sake, no it doesn't. It's darker than full-on happy Gensokyo, but literally anything is darker than full-in happy Gensokyo.
It's not 100% happylight and not 100% grimdark. Why is this so hard to understand?

>>15552136
>and eat them.
Citation needed.

>>15551900
amazing

>>15552136
Satori is a smug downer but doesn't eat people.

>>15552160
That's what Satoris does in folklore. And since ZUN love folklore, the chances are very high that she can really eat your mind.

>>15552174
>Citation needed.

If I can use sheer denial and wishful thinking to believe that Sekibanki and Yatsuhashi are in a relationship

I can believe that Ran's existance was done ethically

>>15552096
What kind of a shikigami would you install in the Marisafox and why is it CockslaveOS

I don't see how this changes anything. The characters are the same as always, but now their existence has been elaborated on.

>>15552139
You don't need to search a lot to find works where Ran treats Yukari like shit.

>>15552140
Yeah, but from today it will be more than secondary garbage.

>>15552226
"Ran" being a possessing entity and not a fox (even an enchanted one) is a pretty big change.

Does this mean I've been in love with a dead body of some other person besides Ran?

>>15552245
Unfortunately, yes. Though "puppeteered" is probably a better word choice than "dead."

>>15552245
Foxes are shapeshifters anyway, so feel free to love whatever physical form you prefer.

>>15552226
Ran is not the sexy fox bimbo they jerk off to, it's the mind currently possessing it.
To some people it's gotta be a huge disappointment.

>>15552174
this image doesn't make sense

half the reason everyone consents to danmaku and spellcard rules is BECAUSE Reimu just beats the shit out of everyone otherwise, danmaku at least makes them feel like they have a chance to win a duel

>>15552255
*artificial mind

>>15552235
Ran and the fox are inseparable, so dividing the two is purely academic.

Im gonna insert a Trojan into Ran via her USB port!

i wanna fuck ran

>>15552267
Ran is not the fox any more than you are the clothes you wear.

fucking clarste

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Hong_Meiling

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Patchouli_Knowledge

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Alice_Margatroid

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Reisen_Udongein_Inaba_and_Tewi_Inaba

>>15552308
If my clothes were an inseparable part of my biology that analogy would work.

>>15552323
You can't pretend they're the same just because Ran is really good at hiding it.
Look at Chen. The real her comes out whenever Ran (and therefore "Chen") isn't around.

>Ran can't post in 4chan

>>15551829
This is my issue. It's insanely fucked up even by youkai standards. Slavery is bad, but you still have some free will and your own mind, you just get physical punishment. This is just raping your soul or murder.
It's like a lobotomy.

>>15551859
I got the impression it was a contract that cant be broke, not this.

>>15552096
>Eventually gets a name
>Ran dies
>Stops showing up
>Eventually Ran shows up again
>Only one tail
Would be insanely fucked up.
>Post battle dialogue shows signs of DID as old soul fights to stay conscious.

>>15552322
What?

Anyone speak moon?
I wonder how 2ch took this seeing some reactions here.

>In fact, she's able to have friendly conversations with passing humans, probably because she's unable to do so with most of the Scarlet Devil Mansion.
Feels bad to be Meiling

>>15552338
So the bakeneko fought in PCB's story and Chen fought in Extra are effectively two different people.
Fucking hell ZUN.

>>15552322
>It is unknown if she's ever thought of trying to cure her asthma with magic; maybe healing is an entirely different school of magic. In any case, when she's in better condition she's able to recite more powerful spells for longer.
haha, ZUN confirmed to browse the /jay/

>>15552376
Seems like it.
See >>15550935

>>15552366
Literally ruining everything. I want Hong to be happy, ZUN must really hate fans with all this shit.

>>15552379
What?

Why doesnt she just fly to Eirin?
Or have Koakuma fly her to Eirin.

>>15552338
That's making a leap of logic, there's nothing to indicate that, just that Chen is markedly more powerful when close to Ran. Chen is a weak shikigami. Ran is a powerful shikigami and is thus a threat no matter what.

>>15552399
>Dont know her real name
>Cant rename folder appropriately
Also which personality is which?
Chen was listed as going to the human village to attack people, is that the cat or the shikigami?

ZUN laying down the laws right now.

>>15552403
>Eirin
You mean the hag who tried to stab her back with a poisonous arrow?

>>15552410
>there's nothing to indicate that
ZUN plainly says:
>Chen is actually "the shikigami possessing a bakeneko", but in her case the possessed bakeneko is a clearly distinct being
Chen is possessing the bakeneko, the bakeneko is not Chen.

>>15552366
I love it. She continues her slow and steady climb to my top 5.
She can't be stopped.

>As for Flandre, at the time I thought of the Extra stage as having no meaning other than being a bonus stage. So I thought "why not have this character who only shows up in the bonus be the sibling of someone from the main game?"
All the people that wanted Flandre back go BTFO

>They are spirits
This is beyond fucked up.
When hugging Chen I thought it was a daughteru, it's actually a total stranger.
Is this some sick brand of NTR? Like a bird tricked by a cuckoo into loving a totally different chick.

>>15552403
>Literally ruining everything. I want Hong to be happy, ZUN must really hate fans with all this shit.

Or maybe he knows everyone in the SDM is fucking autistic. She's the gate guard, who the hell is she going to talk to other than Sakuya?

>>15552421
I dont remember this.

>>15552416
Not sure, near as I can tell it's always the shikigami Chen except:
>splashing water on her will dispel the shikigami

NOT WRITTEN BY ZUN

NOT CANON

>>15552443
Everyone when they all go inside and eat together?
Remilia who employs her?
She talked with Patchy in BAiJR.

>>15552444
SSiB

>>15552447

>Writers ZUN

>>15552447
>Writers: ZUN

>>15552437
You can have the bakeneko when Ran is far away.

>Of course, while this does involve exterminating dangerous youkai who attack humans too often, as Reimu is a human herself she needs to be wary of more than just youkai. If, for example, a human were to do something that threatened Gensokyo, she would also mercilessly bring down the hammer. ...On the other hand, since Reimu personally considers exterminating all youkai, no questions asked, to be part of her job, the youkai may be at a disadvantage in this regard.
Reimu of murders

>>15552446
>You can only see your actual daughteru after shooting her with a super soaker
>She will grow to resent you for this
Fathers really do have it rough.

>>15552449
And it's outright stated she talked with Remilia then too. Remi just teases her a lot. Neither indicates that she has regular friendly conversations with either.

I swear Meiling fans have this massive persecution complex for a stage 3 boss minor character, when really she's very well off. She's friendly, well-liked, and Sakuya clearly respects her abilities. She's just not comparatively incredibly strong which is why it's funny that the main characters can run through her. She doesn't have a lot of information on her but that's fine, EoSD is not a very complex game.

You could be Reisen, who while playable, is pretty much constantly tormented by Tewi and Eirin.

>>15552475
>I swear Meiling fans have this massive persecution complex for a stage 3 boss minor character,
The worst case in recent years was Kagerou. Bulklied to hell back in the game's dialogues.

>>15552472
>Reimu personally considers exterminating all youkai, no questions asked, to be part of her job
Reimu's pretty damn shitty at her job, then. But we knew that already.

>>15552475
Reisen isnt tormented. Eirin treats her well and Tewi fucks over anyone.

>>15552447
Moefags in denial

>Sanae is a surprisingly easy to use character. You can throw her into pretty much any situation and it'll turn out well. Because she talks a lot and is full of confidence and backbone, she doesn't blend into the background with other characters. She has elements of both Reimu and Marisa, as well as her own independent personality, so she's especially easy to use. Maybe that's because I originally created her to be Reimu's rival. Reimu doesn't chat much, so Sanae easily covers her share too. When I was making "Mountain of Faith", I was aware from the very beginning that I wanted an easy-to-use character. The characters I'd made before were popular, but that doesn't make them easy to write. I mean, because they're popular it's hard to tweak their established traits. Youmu was intended to be like that too, but she's surprisingly hard to write. (lol)

Sanae confirmed to be an easy girl.

>>15552338
>the real her came when she isn't around

Where is it stated exactly like this?
How do you know the cat will return back if Ran isn't around?

>>15552487
Kogasa gets bullied hard by all three protagonists as well. Shittalk is just a national pasttime in Gensokyo.

>>15552518
I was misreading things. The bakeneko only comes back when splashed with water.

Wasn't Yukari beating Ran with an umbrella in one of the earlier printed works? Shinigamis were never nice stuff.

She also offered to make Aya into a shinigami

>>15552536
Aya said no, because she most likely knew what it means.

>>15552536
Shikigami =/= shinigami.

>>15552536
>shinigamis

>>15552556

I cannot wait to get more infos on later games.

>>15552366
>>15552403
>>15552443
>>15552449
>>15552475
Meiling borrows manga from Remilia too.

I think Meiling and the others just don't have the opportunity to talk often since she's probably on duty outside a majority of the time.

>>15552710
That's more or less the point I was making. Meiling is stationed at the gate away from the mansion proper most of the time. Remilia is the mistress, Flan is relegated to the basement, and Patchouli is always studying deep in the library. The only one I think she would regularly see is her direct superior, Sakuya. She probably talks to passing humans because she's friendly. It seems like an obvious thing, it's not bad.

>>15550875
So in other words Ran is basically a parasite controlling the body she is in? You know, like those fungi for ants.

You guys are kind of missing the implication here. Well, two of the implications:

Strange is the madness of those into whom demon foxes enter. Sometimes they run naked shouting through the streets. Sometimes they lie down and froth at the mouth, and yelp as a fox yelps. And on some part of the body of the possessed a moving lump appears under the skin, which seems to have a life of its own. Prick it with a needle, and it glides instantly to another place. By no grasp can it be so tightly compressed by a strong hand that it will not slip from under the fingers. Possessed folk are also said to speak and write languages of which they were totally ignorant prior to possession. They eat only what foxes are believed to like — tofu, aburagé, azukimeshi, etc. — and they eat a great deal, alleging that not they, but the possessing foxes, are hungry.

— Glimpses of Unfamiliar Japan, vol. 1, Lafcadio Hearn

The first one is that the"original" fox doesn't matter. ZUN simply reversed the original myth with an unintelligent fox-thingy being possessed by a intelligent shikigami.

The second one is a reach. If Ran WAS a historical figure of note, it would be Tamamo-No-Mae, who is extremely dead due to arrow poisoning. In this case the original fox not surfacing means that there is no original fox. There is only Ran possessing a discarded shell.

>>15553023
So Ran was possesing the dead body of Tamamo no Mae the whole time?

>>15553023
Nice fanon, but the fox doesn't surface because Ran is a powerful shikigami due to her direct connection to Yukari.

>>15553023
>an unintelligent fox-thingy being possessed by a intelligent shikigami.
>unintelligent fox-thingy
But anon, it's confirmed that there's a hidden village of shapeshifting, sentient kitsune in Gensokyo.

>>15553053
My point is that while ZUN said the original fox never surfaces, he never clearly states the reason why it doesn't surface. It could be because there is no original fox left and Yukari basically did >>15551900

>>15553072
It might be easier to possess a feral-stage kitsune then grow it into a nine-tails than to catch a strong one. Like Pokemon. I'm just spitballing here.

>>15550875
>there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox
Well then I fail to see the problem
ZUN's just being his typical self, he probably made it up on the spot anyway, even he didn't know until now

>>15553100
Honestly that line seems like a poor attempt at sweeping under the rug what he just wrote.

>>15553106
Yeah, but I'll accept it

>>15553100
But there were hints about the matter since long time ago, like in CiLR and CoLA. So ZUN didn't made up anything out of nowhere, the only difference this time around is that he boldly and plainly stated that the shikigami is just a program taking over someone's else body.

>>15553143
The biggest change as I see it is that there's no "merging" of fox and shiki.
The personality is 100% shiki which means that a) it's entirely made up by Yukari, and b) now we have the issue of the fox youkai in a No Mouth Must Scream scenario. And "Chen" is halfway there.

>>15552490
Well, we know already "exterminating" doesn't really mean killing them for good. She only does that in special serious occasions that directly affect humans.

Also I like how it has been explained that Remilia caused the incident just for the sake of being a shithead.

So when Yukari was "punishing Ran" during that Aya interview, she was in fact beating Ran's host fox up so that she reverts back to her mindless programming?

>>15553331
What? No, how the fuck did you come to that conclusion?
She was punishing Ran the Ran, because Ran disobeyed.

>>15553338
>Ran disobeyed.
But she can't do that. It's said right there in the profile that shikigami are delegated to basic tasks while Yukari is asleep.

Ran confronted Reimu and folks out of her own volition, and brought Chen into it too, and we see Yukari chiding her for it afterwards. This sounds less of a computer bug and more of a full-fledged independent action.

>>15553361
She's a very good computer. Shikigaminet.

>>15553361
>But she can't do that.
Well she clearly can. And since the nameless fox never surfaces, we can conclude that the shiki themselves are capable of independent, even disobedient action. Hell, Ran herself even says she has plenty of free time.
I think we're arguing for the same point here.

Suddenly, I'm over it.
Yeah, the situation is weird as hell, but Ran's still Ran.

>>15553368
I installed a shikigami on some ants I found, but the first thing they did is ordering 7 crates of sugar online. Please send help.

>>15553369
There's a fair bit of ZUN changing his mind here too. First Yukari is angry at Ran for acting on her own, and now she's angry at her because she can't act on her own.

>>15553383
>First Yukari is angry at Ran for acting on her own, and now she's angry at her because she can't act on her own.
That sounds like textbook Yukari behavior, if you ask me.

>>15553383
Ran is currently a computer OS.
Yukari wants her to become an AI.

>>15551357
>Tsukumogami are born from something
So are fox youkai. They're not the soul of a fox, a fox is an animal and has no soul. The spirit grows into existance inside the fox, just like tsukumogami. It's not equivalent to a soul in that the fox doesn't need the spirit there to be normal fox.

Ran is possessing a fox, that may or may not be inhabited by a youkai spirit. Previous canon works were Yukari punishes Ran for forgetting she was a shinki and fighting humans without permission points towards the conclusion that no other intelligent spirit inhabits the fox. When Ran's control over the fox is weak it seems to revert into a beast rather than an intelligent spirit.

So the fox has 9-tails because Ran is a powerful kami spirit that has inhabited it for a long time. She didn't grow into existance inside the fox, she possessed it, but it might not have been inhabited by another spirit when that happened. Ran might be the only spirit that has ever inhabited that fox, and those additional tails might have grown in due to her presence.

Had the music CD been ripped yet?

We kind of knew this already, this just makes it explicit.

Ge's always revered to her as a "shikigami", which means a lot of weird computer-like things, as if the creature wasn't the standard sort of creature it appeared to be.

And yet, people will definitely still think of Ran and Chen with fanon in their heads.

>>15551056
>Why would Zun do this? Holy shit he finaly gives her attention only to imply she's less than what we were led to believe.
Less than what? The computer she always was?

I love when secondaries who never bothered reading the written works think that their fanon "suddenly" got proven wrong just out of spite.

>>15553751
Is it really any different? Ran is still Ran as we always knew her.
I think the only real consequence here is now Chen's in a weird spot.

>>15553769
That's what I'm saying. It's not any different.

Before I got into this series I thought Ran might have been some kind of cute older fox who doted on Chen, then I got into it and lo', she's a rather dull computer, while the cat is a little more unique but otherwise another tool for masters.

So I came away thinking "wait, what". And in this thread it's clear, fanon's corrupted a lot of people. Extra material present for a long time has even made it pretty clear how shikigami work. Not ABSOLUTELY clear, but mostly.

>>15553788
Well, Yukari's been shown to be "training" Ran to think outside the box in SSiB.
It's kinda ironic really; Yukari wishes Ran would act more on her own, and she does... But only when Yukari's asleep and she's "off duty."

>>15553797
It seems like basically Yukari is an old person who thinks computers can do more than they actually can, so she'll set it off and assume it can do a bunch of stuff on its own. She'll also bang on it to get rid of software issues.

Well, this was a bigger shitstorm than I'd have expected

>>15550875
This is a really interesting development! I like it.

Yukari is jealous of ZUN, hence her mistreatment of Ran.

Think about it. Yukari wishes Ran would operate outsde of routine and develop on her own, but that isn't how her shikigami programming works. ZUN's creation of other Touhous is similar to Yukari's creation of Ran, but ZUN has cleverly ensured the independent development of his daughters by allowing them to interact with the doujin scene. Touhous (shikigami) made by ZUN, who would ordinarily be limited to things he explicitly has them do, have grown beyond this limit, expanding and developing in a semi-random, almost naturally human direction.

ZUN is the master of shikigami, and Yukari's green with envy.

I wish my computer had a case like this

>>15553893
If it's just the body we are after I rather have Youko from monmusu

>>15553973
Ran's host organism's haircut is cuter

>>15553978
You can just cut the hair.

>>15553557
Good joke, the tails and subsequent power growth is something inherent in the host, not "Ran."

I want to get the Helios ending with Ran!

Man you guys sure are freaking out over something that secondary fanartists are going to completely ignore.

ZUN revealed Momiji to be an aggressive and smug asshole, didn't stop people from portraying her as a moekawaii retard like they always did.

>>15554146
> that secondary fanartists are going to completely ignore.
I hope someone at least makes a 3x3 Eyes reference since this happened in that.

>>15554146
This is waifufags in verge of losing the image of their waifu they held for so long.

Momiji still drawn as kawaii dog girl complete with dog ears and tail which also has been refuted indeed kinda pissed me off sometimes, though.

>>15554156
>3x3 Eyes
Seems unlikely since it's rather unremarkable anime, at least compared to stuff produced in the last 4 years.

>>15554203
>Momiji still drawn as kawaii dog girl complete with dog ears and tail which also has been refuted indeed kinda pissed me off sometimes, though.
Why can't we enjoy both? I like canon for being canon and fanworks for being fanworks mostly built on in-jokes and memes, people should just learn to keep in mind that they are two separate things

It's time to splash Chen with cold water .

>>15554203
>complete with dog ears and tail which also has been refuted
ZUN refused to say that Aya had wings or not and that Momiji had ears and tail or not during the AWA at AX some weeks ago.

Chen is now (Ran)ma 1/2 with that cold water thing.

>>15554239
>people should just learn to keep in mind that they are two separate things

That's the problem, look at people here getting mad because they didn't know anything about Ran and thought it was a mommy fox lady. I don't mind fanon as long it stays fanon.

>>15554308
Except Chen only refers to the mind, not body.

>>15554288
That looks like it's about 36°C, not really cold if you ask me

>>15554351
It's cold yogurt, don't be silly, anon.

Which 2hu will Zun ruin next, will your waifu be safe?

>>15554369
My waifu is Yukari. So she is already safe

>>15554369
I'm actually a little worried that he will make something way too radical with Sakuya. Hopefully she will be safe as she's one of the most established characters.

>>15554448
>Because of her special power, she is avoided by the humans around her. She'd reached the point where "She's already given up on befriending normal humans." (EoSD Omake), but after meeting Reimu and Marisa who didn't care whether someone was human or youkai, her ever-so-slightly irritated heart must have softened. Ever since "Perfect Cherry Blossom", you can see how much friendlier she is, both in her words and her facial expressions. However, she's still Remilia's maid. If anyone goes against her mistress, she'll mercilessly attack them.

>As despite being the maid of a vampire, her prized knives are made of silver, the rumors that she used to be a vampire hunter seeking vengeance against Remilia never die out.
She's not exactly soft and moe.

>>15554562
Not that guy, but the appeal of Sakuya has always been that she is both elegant and can fight well but is also kind of a goof. Her running in worried about cleaning the mansion in Stage 5 and then saying "I at least have to make you waste a bomb" in Stage 6 is funny.

>>15554448
Maybe one day he'll reveal if she's a goddamn Lunarian or not.

15 fucking games and 10+ print works and that one line in Eirin's profile has not been expanded upon one bit. Why did he even put that there?

Shikigami are not the only ones that can high jack bodies in Asiatic lore. Gods, spirits of the dead and tsukumogami can, too. It's not looking well for Kosuzu.

>>15554562
I didn't say that she's soft and moe, even tho that's the way she was portrayed in Forbidden Scrollery I don't think many people think of Sakuya only as soft and moe.

>>15554448
He cant do much outside of making her Lunarian.

I guess this'll separate the people who actually cared about Ran and the people in it for muh foxgirl.

>>15554369
Please dont hurt my Eirin!

>>15554369
>giving more info about each 2hu is ruining her
Some of you really, really hate canon, huh.

And I would say she's "safe", but that'd imply there's any looming danger in the first place.

>>15552863
美鈴、你好！～
你還好吧？

Shikigamis are skinwalkers

>>15555117
Nothing changed.
Fitting really.

>>15555117
She can't be hurt she is like super powerful

>>15555971
Does that mean that Ran's CANON smells like copper?

>>15556033
My comment is such a mess, I need to stop writing the captcha before the comment!!!
I keep ruining joke that aren't even funny in the first place.

>>15550875
I don't know how anyone can be upset over this. This is the most interesting thing to happen to Ran's character.

>>15556104
Because of people deeply misunderstanding the issue.
Like myself.

>>15556047
Please kindly get out of /jp/

>>15551634
>.exe
No thanks, I'd like a copy of an ELF binary of ran.

what are the chances of the evil spirit inhibiting ran's body being a dude

>>15556262
It's not evil (she's pretty kind as youkai go), and it's a girl because it's 2hu.
For all we know maybe the fox was evil.

An ancient horror kidnapping a baby fox.

>>15556262
>what are the chances of the evil spirit inhibiting ran's body being a dude
If it does have a gender, its a girl, because its a product of ZUN.

However, I don't think, in this context, it has much of a gender at all. If they're a spiritual machination carrying out the orders of their mastery, its seems kind of irrelevant.

>>15556262
>>15556334
Doesn't matter. I'll make it a women in the end.

>>15556301
That baby fox will never feel anything again

>>15556301
100% fanon that already had negative support from canon gets junked, say it ain't so.

>>15556104
Because it ruined people's boners they had for muh foxgirl waifu

>>15556367
It would actually be very difficult to do more than quite literally molest (as in annoy) Ran through rape. Unless you literally forced Ran out of the fox with dick alone, she would have complete control over the fox's ability to respond to sexual stimulus.

Just imagine have sex with the most beautiful foxgirl you've seen, but her nipples are not erect, her face is calm and composed (if pissed/bored), she isn't breaking a sweat, and her vagina feels like sandpaper because Ran is denying you any natural lubrication.

And if you do manage to dick the Ran out of "Ran," you are left with a really, really, really pissed off fox who might finish sex with you, but would most certainly kill you before you even achieved sexual release.

The only way to get sex with "Ran" is to have Yukari quite literally flip her switch.

>>15556610
That's some amazing headcanon there.
As far as anyone in Gensokyo is concerned, Ran is the fox; she's got the body, controls, feelings/senses, has the habits of, etc. The underlying fox youkai is, for all intents and purposes, a non-factor. ZUN says as much.
So if you molest her, Ran is gonna feel it.

>>15556610
>And if you do manage to dick the Ran out of "Ran," you are left with a really, really, really pissed off fox who might finish sex with you, but would most certainly kill you before you even achieved sexual release.
More like original kitsune would be your loyal waifu 5ever if you saved her after hundreds of years of possession. Atleast assuming she's not the "insane and evil as fuck" type of fox.

>>15556649
Would she, though? They don't seem to mind it.
Chen/bakeneko certainly doesn't seem to care.
>while not being possessed, neither [Chen's] appearance nor personality changes

>>15556649
>Atleast assuming she's not the "insane and evil as fuck" type of fox.
9 tails, man
9. tails.

>>15556642
Why would the shikigami allow those feelings to surface and interfere if she had any control over it?

>>15556662
Because they're the shiki's feelings. Ran's let her feelings get ahead of her orders before.

>>15556665
In PCB, that was because she thought she could take of the protagonists without Yukari's presence or orders. Her feelings were incorrect and she jumped the gun, but with the intention of conveniently taking care of a problem ahead of her master.

If it is possible for her to block pain, or anything similar, by giving up the aspect of control temporarily, I don't see why she wouldn't for the sake of being advantageous.

>>15556689
Unless she has orders along the lines of "do not fug the human," there's no Yukari-power to fall back on.
It'd be the same situation as her plentiful free time, i.e. on her natural ability.

>>15556740
Wait, are we implying rape or consensual sexings here?

That makes a big difference in this argument.

>>15556766
Well the anon up there was suggesting the former I think.
Actually, in that case she could probably wipe the floor with you even without bond-power. She's got the power of a kyuubi after all.
She could just explain it to Yukari as you "interfering with her work."

>>15556778
>she could probably wipe the floor with you
not against cock

>>15556610
>she would have complete control over the fox's ability to respond to sexual stimulus.
That's stupid.

I like what >>15553023 said, If we consider how much ZUN loves old folklore-related stories we can perfectly assume that Yukari made Ran from the lifeless corpse of a Nine-tailed fox instead of stealing a kid and install a parasyte in it, also like ZUN said we can perfectly think that Ran is just Ran and that there's no such a thing as a trapped soul which's body is being manipulated.

>>15551193
>Remi is cruel
elaborate?

>>15558304
He might be talking about this line:
>Although she is over 500 years old, both her cruelty and curiosity match her youthful appearance.

How long do you think Ran's been operating?

>>15558728
10 year olds are known to be especially cruel in Eastern culture?

>>15559819
Kids have not fully developed their empathy yet, so they'll often act like total sociopaths without someone to give them guidance

>>15557302
Whatever gives you peace of mind.

As a side note, from Magical Astronomy:

>物理学は事実上終焉を迎えている。既に物理学は、解釈と哲学の時代に突入していた。

>Physics is coming to an end. Our world was already rapidly progressing into an age of explanations and philosophy.

Does that imply a revival in the mysticism in the real world?

>>15552159
This reminds me of a hentai where yukari wanted a new umbrella and broke kogasa's mind to get her.

>>15551307
>SDM crew was in gensokyo at least 40 years prior reimu birth
just why?
how?