/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I dislike you as a human being, just letting you know.

>>15436571
It's fine, you're not the first one

>what happened?
He doesn't know.
www

>>15436534
They're still coming out with new Nico medleys every year, you know? You're probably just looking in the wrong places. A lot of them have been catalogued in English at kumikyoku.rintaun.net.

Here's Nico Nico Skyscraper from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkPtdk63pg0

I encourage anyone interested at all in Nicovideo to watch at least a couple medleys if for some reason you haven't already. Skyscraper gets to draw not only on a rich source of music, but has visually incorporated a ton of the derivative work and parodies that the original works spawned over the years. You can really feel the history.

>>15436613
I like you, anon.

The MAD bubble burst

>>15436534
I still think japan is fun though

I feel like everything used to be fun in 2007. That was a damn good year for me...

Because touhou is dying

They got ravaged by mobile games, probably

It's become all commercialized junk like shitcolle and shitlive.

>>15436534
>Japan used to be so fun back in 2007
>what happened?

Back in 2007 you knew less about Japan, and therefore it had an exotic quality to it. Fast forward to 2016 and now you're a turbo nerd, who knows every thing about Japan and now the mystique is gone.

>>15440138
Ignorance is bliss?

>>15436845

>>15440231
On second glance this doesn't look anywhere near as nice as i thought it was going to turn out, I guess I should actually curate things properly

>>15436534
Gay meme took off and now everything is "lol gayporn" videos.

>>15440231
What is this?

>>15440890
A collection of frames from the Nico Nico Skyscraper video linked in >>15436845, cataloging years of meme Nicovideo history. If your powerlevel isn't high enough to actually recognize all the songs and parodies involved (mine certainly wasn't), someone compiled a video of the original sources together, too:

"Nico Nico Douga Skyscraper" Original Song Reproduction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPCk29OnVi4

In some ways it's more impressive, even if it ends up being a complete musical riot at times. I should make a survey out of it sometime.

2007/2008 saw the end of a lot of internet culture and brought about meddling from people with power and money or didn't care about the internet compared to "nerdy" people before. Apple is also a big blame

Stop bumping this shit thread.

Everything is more commercialized, and there's also the thing where niconico got slammed hard with copyright restriction a few years ago. (Though it was going down in quality before that)

The wild west era of the internet is gone, and nothing to replace it has come about yet. 2chan and 4chan and memes are now to be seen all over television. Now the main consumers are more mainstream, and the content is geared at them. I think there used to be the mentality that　みんなが参加者 and nobody is an お客様, similar to comiket. But now everyone is an お客様. When's the last time you saw コメ職人 frequently on NND?

Also, you're probably jaded OP.
面白くない世の中なら面白くすれば良いさ。

>>15441130
/jp/ mad libs!
-Race car
-smelly
-butt
-computer

>I think there used to be the mentality that [race car] and nobody is an [smelly], similar to comiket. But now everyone is an [butt]. When's the last time you saw [computer] frequently on NND?

>>15441144
>talking about Japan without speaking Japanese

>>15441146
>英語の掲示板で日本語を使ってる

>>15440026
Sadly it is.

>>15441146
You're just mad that you're a butt.

>>15441146
>talking about Russia without speaking Russian

>>15436534
that was nearly 10 years ago dude

they grew up

you grew up

we all grew up

レーザー・ディスクは何者だ?

>>15441328
I want to go back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWymcg63xy4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCNBiQJWGEs

>>15442324
Internet culture was at its prime in 2007/2008

We can never go back, it will only get worse from here

>>15441328
>they grew up
>you grew up
>we all grew up
Okay, but what about the succesing generation? Don't they make content? Are you guys still making content?

>>15446136
Before the eleven internet was populated by people who actually know how to use a computer, but nowadays the average people just wank on their smartphones (FB, Twitter, Instagram) and think being a Youtuber is the best fucking thing. Seriously, it made in around the top of the usual best wanted profession poll taken at schools.

>>15442324
We're going to make them give back our memes.

>>15440978
Speaking of videos that showcase the many memes NND sparked through the years, here's another recompilation/medley
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28571653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBy18WV3ADA

>>15445957
>Internet culture was at its prime in 2007/2008
No it fucking wasn't. 2008-2014 should basically be deleted from history.

Internet and otaku culture topped out around 2004/5 and then went into decline.

>>15440070
kore desu. the brief period of desktop computing is already over in japan. no one creates memes on a mobile.

Mindless consumerism corrupts everything. We need to free the people.

>>15452508
I'd say late 90's, but everyone has their own preference.

>>15457453
humanity corrupts everything. we need to free the straight beefers

>>15457482
Mortality corrupts everything, we need to free the Timeless Ones.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6753349
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7351754

>>15457461
I would personally say early 80s was the best, but that's just my opinion.

>>15465496
I really did enjoy the internet in the 90's, save the speed. I remember saving this video because it captures some of the magic of the time:
https://youtu.be/hWq4DWfrpu8?t=231

>>15440124
Yeah, Idolm@ster was entirely free of corporate influence

Everything is going downhill, life changed so incredibly much in the last ten years. You don't notice it until you think back and consider your previous life time and the world around you.
Everything is "better" and improved but also mostly worse and bland. I used to think it was all good, the direction we're moving into. Now I just want to fuck off into the woods and live in a small hut.

>>15440263
The important question is which one.

If you don't differentiate, you are talking out your ass.

>>15446136
What's INMU and cookie
>that's not funny

You grew up

>>15465610
Old anime fansites make me feel like I missed out on something nice.

>>15445957
>>15452508
>>15457461
I feel like most a lot of people think that otaku culture was best shortly after they got into it, because that was the point at which everything was new and exciting to you, before you became a jaded fuck and everything became bad.

Either that or everything really has been getting worse over the years so the earlier the better, but I'm a little bit suspicious about that one.

>>15465664
I think you're right, or it's just when you were a kid/teen and didn't (m)any worries in life.

>>15465652
It was nice, yes, but I don't think it's significantly better than the times after it. I just posted that because I was assuming the guy with the "early 80's internet" post was being sarcastic and didn't think we had the public internet in the 90's.

>>15465664
It's like people here are not even aware of the "2hu cancer" attitude that pissed of Western Comiket goers in the mid to late 2000s.

People will be crying over Kancolle in a few years. And they still won't give a fuck about 2hu, just as you don't give a fuck about Final Fantasy and Neon Genesis Evangelion dying out in the face of 2hu.

>>15465664
Most (if not all) people just miss being young.

>>15465652
They weren't that useful and rarely updated. Just some low resolution pictures, a "how much do you know about this series"-test and a guestbook. Sometimes some cringy poems.
I just found out that ranma.de is still online and acitve (not since the 90s, since the early 00s though).

I still want to fuck her.

Were there whiny/sad nostalgia threads in 2007?

>>15468242
Yeah, they complained about the popularity of myspace and lament about the good old days of obscure forums, IRC, and then that weird guy shows up to talk about BBS like anybody else cared outside of /prog/

>>15468210
Protected heritage.

>>15465610
Too much nostalgia. I don't miss the popups though. And each of those songs probably took 30 minutes to download. I don't miss that either.

>>15440263
Not that i have problem with that.

Except that Midsummer series and those .guff series are shit. Wrestling Series is the apex and after that, everything went downhill

>>15465664
>I feel like most a lot of people think that otaku culture was best shortly after they got into it, because that was the point at which everything was new and exciting to you, before you became a jaded fuck and everything became bad.

Not really. Not for me anyway. I was >>15452508 and I really got into it in the mid/early 90s when random movies were airing on TV and all the anime we got were those real gritty super violent things I still yearn for today out of nostalgia. Nonetheless, the 90s were a too-early time for the internet and it's days of anime shrines, gamefaqs, and stick figures dying.

I think those guys saying 80s and 90s meant otaku culture when I was meaning internet culture in conjunction with otaku culture. The 80s and 90s may well have been better in terms of Japanese otaku, In the late 90s to early 2000s though, there were a surge in western interest in anime. Almost everything people are nostalgic about in (well in the slightly earlier generation) is from the mid-late 90s to early 2000s. It's a time where it became easier to get anime and manga and, more importantly, doujin works over the web. It's a time when internet artists were uploading stuff, characters devised on online communities were popular, mmorpgs were taking off and becoming part of otaku culture, and anime was still before this hyper division of everything into moe/yuri/yaoi bait. For that matter, anime wasn't as meta either. There were a few about or aimed at otaku instead of anyone else, but they were more self-deprecatory instead of being "us otaku, eh? NEET PRIDE, WORLDWIDE!"

Basically it was the best time for otaku everywhere online. Before that, it's good if you had access to doujin works and fan art, but chances are you didn't if you weren't Japanese and the work wasn't ultra popular, and nowadays it seems like people don't gain huge attachments to characters, nor are there characters that "represent" anime. Even less are characters that have nothing to do directly with anime or video games, like internet characters and mascots.

It also feels like the east and west have sort of lost contact with each other, or at least that 4chan has lost contact with Japanese stuff that used to be imported to this site all the time. (Which is probably why the OP thinks what he does)

I should clarify my first point too: I got into anime in the 90s. I think the 2000s were the best otaku internet times, although I don't like a lot of anime from then, I have mixed feelings about today(but it's better than the moe hell of the later 2000s), but I feel like there's not much of worth anymore.

>>15468786
>It also feels like the east and west have sort of lost contact with each other, or at least that 4chan has lost contact with Japanese stuff that used to be imported to this site all the time.

Interesting observation, and I think you may be right. The internet as a whole has been centralized, so it's strange to think of it as being increasingly segregated.
At the same time, however, it was Western nerds and Eastern nerds intermingling and that hasn't really changed too much, if at all. It's just that the nerds are now a very small minority. If a website has 5,000 users 20 years ago it's a lot different than one having 5,000 users today.

>>15468454
That's beautiful.

>>15468786
genuine question, what do you mean by the moe hell of the later 2000s

honestly, every time I see someone mention this, I literally do not remember this occuring. I mean yeah, there was K-On and it was extremely and disproportionately popular and well known, but that's just 1 series, and when I think of other high profile anime from the late 2000s almost none of them are moe.

even when I go back and look at charts because maybe I just forgot about shitty series that weren't memorable I don't find any hidden cache of moe series that I had missed from back then or forgotten.

>>15482649
I believe he's confusing moe with SoL.

>>15468269
But IRC is still good

>>15468661
Midsummer is inherently derogatory, unlike wrestling

>>15490489
>But IRC is still good
but not as good

>>15489887
I like SoL. I've liked the sort of "ideal realism" and laid backness ever since I was a little kid just reading youth fiction from the library. I don't really know where I was going with this but too many SoL haters also hate SoL lovers and that makes me sad. Can't we all get along?

>>15441328
This is a popular view but it is only an attempt at disarming--and it implies that culture has no intrinsic merit.
Looking through history, there are recognizable periods of high cultural and intellectual development. As well as periods for centuries with little, if any, ingenuity. It may be difficult to disassociate oneself from the point of view as a subject in the present, but there is much reason to believe that we are in such a period.

>>15436534
>2007 was almost 10 years ago

>>15498525
>People who were 8 years old back then are now allowed to post here

>>15498636
>there are people posting RIGHT NOW who don't remember 9/11

>>15498525
>>15498636
>>15498658
Who are you quoting, onii-san?

>>15498525
>>15498636
>>15498658
who qot

>>15498658
What's the problem not remembering an emergency number you never use?

>>15498695
What if you have an emergency?

>>15446201
Agreed. I think it started around 07 with the Facebook boom. People used to make niche content that was appreciated by particular groups, but now the focus of the internet is mass appeal. Everything is 1000 kilometers wide and one milliliter deep. Big corporations receive most of the internet traffic now, and normies are their audience.

It's like in Western films when the trouble in the town turns out to be the efforts of a banker or oil tycoon trying to "civilize" the west and thereby demonize and ruin the community that already existed.

>>15498843
Yeah, yeah, everything was better back in two thousand fucking seven. Give me a rest, there's no way you actually believe the bullshit you're spouting.

>>15498843
You don't actually expect to be taken seriously when using words like 'normies', right?

This plunge in post quality the past week is really upsetting me. Please spend time lurking- /a/, /v/, and /r9k/ culture is not welcome here.

>>15498843
This phenomenon is nothing new. Look up "Eternal September" and also please read the thread.

>>15499328
Where do I find this mystical "quality" gauge you love blabbing on about all the time?

>>15499328
You're not welcomed here, fuckface

>>15498525
10 years ago was 15 years ago.

>>15482649
>what do you mean by the moe hell of the later 2000s

Look at 2007's anime list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2007_anime_television_series

Almost all the popular "handful of girls go to school and don't talk to icky guys" shows came out that year. Anime descended into a banal hell of cute girls doing boring things for the next few years. It's about the time guys became absolutely taboo in shows with cute girls, and were regulated to ecchi harem protags or yaoibait. The idea of a non-virgin or even slutty girl in a non-ecchi show was unthinkable. I mean it's the time the term "moeblob" came into being to describe useless characters that existed only to be cute and make noises. 4koma manga and VNs also became popular adaptation sources. Lucky Star in particular was probably partly responsible for the otaku-pride meta anime beginning too.

>>15501433
If you look at the whole list there's quite a variety there. Hell, a big pattern I see there that no one mentions is new adaptations of old manga (IE Kitaro, Toward the Terra, Giant Robo)

I miss web 2.0

>>15501447
Yeah harvesting old works was getting pretty popular around then too. Guess what people obsessed over though. Lucky Star, Potemayo, Hidamari... I see Sky Girls on there too, so Strike Witches must have come out about then, even though it's not listed.

>>15499328
I think /v/ or /vg/ is purposely invading /jp/.

>>15501433
>Afro Samurai
>Baccano
>Brave Raideen
>Bokurano
>Denno Coil
>Kaiji
>Gurren Lagann
>Giant Robo
>Mobile Suit Gundam 00
>Les Miserables
>Romeo X Juliet
>Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei
>Toward the Terra

I dunno, this seems like a pretty cool year. There's a lot of shows like Lucky Star on there, but there's also a lot of other great shows too. I dunno if I'd call it a hell.

>>15457453
I think this is the problem.
We consume too much and don't produce enough.

>>15501433
>The idea of a non-virgin or even slutty girl in a non-ecchi show was unthinkable.
kannagi

>>15501563
It's the initial wave, not the entirety of the flood.

>>15501502
>I think /v/ or /vg/ is purposely invading /jp/.
Can confirm.
/vg/ is retaliating because they're sick of people posting /jp/ memes in their threads.

>>15501433
>>15501585
Go on any old archive of anime season by season and you'll see what I'm talking about when I say there was no "flood"

Even after K-On in 2009 you still saw only a handful of moe series every season - they were almost always outnumbered by other shit.

like, just as an example:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2007/winter
2 or 3
http://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2007/spring
2

fast forward a few years

http://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2009/winter
1
http://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2009/spring
2

obviously I'm not going to run through literally every year until now, but if you keep going you see the same thing, it's never more than 2 or 3 "moe" series a season. And when you see at how much extremely famous/memorable shit was released during that timeframe that had literally nothing to do with moe, I just feel the whole idea of moe taking over anime back then (or even now) is ridiculous.

Honestly, I think people were just blinded by how successful LS and K-On were.

>>15501450
We're still in web 2.0.

>>15465635
Same.
I dont care if I sound like a hipster, nothing good has come of the internet going mainstream. It's just led to masses of retards creating echochambers and exporting their ideology, everything seems stagnant now.

>>15501953
There's at least 6 in your first link. You're just playing it down too much.

>>15502512
I counted three. Hidamari, Manabi Straight (which was so bad it might as well be forgotten), and Kanon though that one is questionable due to its content and I'm only counting it due to the awful art style.

I'd love to know what your definition of "moe" is.

>>15502512
You're just playing it up too much. I counted 2 or 3 like the anon above me. It depends on how you define "moe" series but there is definitely not 6. I could maybe accept 4 if you count Rocket Girls, but frankly it's nothing like the other two.

I hope you're not lumping PreCure or Shuffle or something into your count of 6 because that's just flat out wrong, but I don't see how you could have arrived at 6 in any other way.

People have been complaining about cute girls doing cute things in anime since the internet was invented.

>>15441146
Are you fucking retarded?

>>15504035
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/anime$20sucks$20cute/rec.arts.anime.fandom/Oia-Ab_7VWM/22cC2RRiRe0J

>On the one hand, there does seem to be an overwhelming trend in the anime
coming out these days where having cute adolescent females is more important
than providing a compelling story or developing characters to any amount of
real depth. I do see a lot of recycled ideas going on. What I'm trying to
say is that a lot of new anime tends to focus more on the cute females and
their repertoire of cute facial expressions (the ever-popular
"Jello-eyes-streaming water-while-moaning", the "angry monster girl", etc.)
than anything else. I have no problem with cute females per se, but how
about some character development? And a good story while you're at it? In
the lesser-quality anime, whatever "story" is provided is mainly a setup for
the main female characters to run through their repertoire of facial
expressions in different settings. :)

>7/27/98

>>15498954
If you don't like the shit now, don't use tumblr and a smartphone. Simple as that.

And you can't be mad at content creators for moving on because they don't owe you shit.

It's like you guys are creating your own problems.

>>15468786
>anime was still before this hyper division of everything into moe/yuri/yaoi bait.
Waaah anything I don't like is bait.

Nearly everyone now is some fucking 2jaded4u edgelord who thinks they're being oppressed by evil manga artists and animators. Regardless of whether they got into anime twenty years ago or last week.

>>15501433
>Anime descended into a banal hell of cute girls doing boring things for the next few years.
No it didn't.

>I mean it's the time the term "moeblob" came into being to describe useless characters that existed only to be cute and make noises.
Moeblob doesn't fucking mean anything. There is no such thing.

>>15504312
I think this is jus nostalgia speaking.

Will there ever be something again that resembles the old internet?

>>15504502
Well, IRC rooms never left.

>>15436845

Didn't know these were a thing but damn this is good stuff. Western OC feels so drab and uninspired in comparison.

>>15504502
No. Most of the web's traffic has been consolidated into a few mega sites that have become too big to fail, social media connects everything, virtually everyone is online, and commercial interests have become pervasive.

Imagine the web was a newly found land in the 90s, and the people who went there were settlers who built villages, towns and secluded residences all over the place that were at best loosely networked and possibly not even on the map. Then after the turn of the millennium corporations built a big, shiny, closely controlled and comfortable city and a huge influx of immigrants came to populate it. The immigrants never leave the (inreasingly Orwellian) city and barely even know there is anything outside of it or that something existed before it. Many or most of the settlers move into the city too, and the old lands become depopulated and dilapitated. There are still people there, and some people from the city go there too and build things, but most people are in the city and don't go outside so there are not many visitors and not much activity. The old lands will never be completely abandoned, but they're not going to make a comeback either.

Anyway, this is maybe the most amazing oldschool web site I've seen:

http://www.usagi.org/doi/anime2.html

He's been running it since 1994. Go look at the "seiyuu and idol and anime events" page and be amazed. This isn't something you'll see on Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Blogger or Wordpress, and most of the content on those sites is ephemeral and forgotten in hours, days or weeks. Just according to keikaku.

>>15505128
http://www.usagi.org/doi/doi.html

I want to be like him when I grow up.

Another outdated site that somehow is still maintained
http://www.cammyfan.com/

>>15503095
>>15504007
Like >>15489887 says, you don't have to be SoL to be moe. Anime that's concerned with moe moe girls is moe. Melancholy of Haruhi. among other things is known for it's moe girls. Even to the point of having little spinoffs about them. I'm not calling stuff "plotless moeshit" or hating SoL shows in specific. Although, I do consider most bishoujo game derived things to be moe by default, because that's their entire point anyway. (I don't think of harems as moe in general, and some VN anime end up as those.) I'm going to disregard any completely kid's anime, including PreCure, from both being considered a moe anime or counted as a non-moe anime. Otaku oriented magical girls are basically moe though, which does make PreCure toe the line, but it's still primarily a kid's show.

Hidamari, Manabi Straight, Strike Witches OVA, _Summer, Saint October, Rocket Girls.

Having watched and enjoyed Murder Princess, I would still say it's ultimately just a show about a cute girl with a sword. I won't include Ichigo Marshmallow since it didn't start then. I feel Keitai Shoujo counts. I don't know about Venus Versus Virus, but it looks like it'd be some gothic themed moe ala Rozen Maiden.

In regards to Kanon and Shuffle, I don't know too much about them but I think Shuffle is more on the side of harem, whereas Kanon is more on the side of moe bishoujo. I'm not counting Kanon as that season for the same reason as IM though.

>>15505128
>>15505209

>http://www.usagi.org/doi/doi.html

What a cute website!

Also, can't believe this one is still up and running: fantasyanime.com/index

>>15505128
I'm holding out hope that, when mankind leaves the cradle of earth, one of the many benefits will be a return to the older days of the internet. Rad-proofing machines places limits on speed and memory, larger distances imposes minimum latency, and at least at first, low population imposes commercial unviability.

>>15505128
just like my cyberpunk japanimations (father and older brother used to say this word). serious though. I wish for a comeback of "villages". Even imageboards are different from how they were. Kinda of expected it. the days of Wild West Internet are gone. The regulation is still going alot slower from what i have thought in 2010-11.

>>15504312
98 isn't that long ago and it's true. 90s anime did have that kind of thing. I had a small problem with Outlaw Star for that reason honestly. I like the show, but Aisha is nothing more than a kawaii moe catgirl for no other reason than you gotta have a catgirl character. Cute cool assassin chick, and a robot girl who is basically what would be called a moeblob later aren't exactly stellar characters either.

90s definitely had a large share of "am i kawaii enuff 4 u?" type female characters. But it wasn't quite this "I have to be like an 8 year old virgin at all times" type 2000ish moe with the moe loli type styles people associate with them.

Speaking of styles, something old I saw recently mentioned an aspect of style is girls having sidelocks in front of their ears. I don't know how true that is but I've been trying to look at older characters vs newer ones. It's probably just a fashion trend than a moe one though. Like how it shifted from cute girls going on adventures and fighting things in the 80s-90s to cute girls going to school in the 2000s due to the trend to place anime in school settings.

>>15505128
>Imagine the web was a newly found land in the 90s, and the people who went there were settlers who built villages, towns and secluded residences all over the place that were at best loosely networked and possibly not even on the map.
After raping and killing the natives and forcing them into secluded settlements. Even having started in the 90s, I'll admit a lot of internet culture back then was pure cancer. AOL was a mistake.

>>15505494
I love the word Japanimation. Anime is such a dumb word.

>>15505128
It's depressing and creepy finding new sites that are long dead graveyards.
Not much can be done either, the internet is for communication, you cant do that with a dead site.

Speaking of Orwellian, I'm British and my next PM may push for more spying and censorship. I may not even have the luxury of /jp/.

I hated life for a while know, but while it's got worse this place is still dear to me and 80% of my social life.
I'm fucked if this place dies.

>>15505693
Move.

>>15505698
I'm a neet with no skills or money struggling to learn Japanese. I'm trapped here. Even if I knew Japanese, I wouldnt want to be an English teacher.

>>15505693
4chan is probably too big to fail. Other imageboards can't overtake it any more than something like Voat can overtake Reddit (there was a big push to go to Voat at one point but nothing came of it, same with 4chan and 8_chan). I feel like the web has just settled down and nothing will really change as far as which sites are popular (either in general or in their own niches). 4chan can get as shitty as it wants to and people will just keep coming here like they always have because there's seemingly no alternative. Every other place is too slow, so people don't go there. And they're slow because people don't go there.

>>15505708
get a job. anyone can cook, anyone can type letters

>>15505715
I must disagree. There were those who thought MySpace was too big to fail, and Digg, and YTMND, etc. I think your point is very close to correct: the communities that have grown up around the internet are relatively unfazed by advances in technology, and you see the same sort of groups on XYZchan as you did on usenet and on mailing lists. The names of the community hubs, however, will certainly change as time goes on.

I think the changes will be more foundational than simple site-hopping, though. Twenty-five years ago, we'd be arguing over whether the alt.* hierarchy would absorb rec.* and sci.*. A few years later we'd be saying things like "The big four will always be EFnet, DALnet, Undernet, and IRCnet". I think something else will overtake what we think of as the modern web, and it will be completely fucking terrible. Perhaps we're already seeing the beginning of it with mobile-only programs that don't have websites at all.

>>15505761
>There were those who thought MySpace was too big to fail, and Digg, and YTMND, etc.
Yeah but that was around the time the web exploded in popularity and companies/sites were still figuring things out and competing for dominance. Now the big sites have so many users who are so invested in them that I don't see how anything could change.

>>15505780
But I can imagine someone saying the same thing back in 2005, or even back in 1990. I can also imagine someone saying that in 2025, if trends continue. The internet is still massively growing, even without considering developing nations.

>>15505796
I'm saying the situation today is very different than ten or twenty years ago. Everyone is now on the web so there will be no more expansion (for the English speaking world). The big players are so big and so secure in their position that it seems inconceivable for anyone to overtake them and their user bases of hundreds of millions of people. Like the chart I posted shows, the web has gotten more and more consolidated with fewer and fewer sites dominating the traffic.

The same thing has happened with microcomputers, computer hardware and operating systems. There's competition at first but in the end only a few winners who either keep on winning or die off so only one remains.

>>15505257
Saying "well it has moe girls, so it counts as moe" is way too loose of a definition. I agree that you don't have to be SoL because things like Strike Witches exist (well, it borders on SoL anyway at times), but you could label SZS as moe based on that definition, and I don't think anyone thinks that it's a moe series. Even without going that extreme, that kind of definition would group Bakemono, Aria, and A-channel together despite all 3 being completely different types of shows.

Hell, you're not even consistent in your own evaluations - _Summer is moe, but Shuffle and Kanon aren't?

Also, I don't think including 1 episode OVAs like Strike Witches is a fair inclusion especially since it started a year later but yeah.

>>15505829
>Everyone is now on the web
I very much disagree with this.

1) The web is not omnipresent, so there is room for it to expand.
2) You're also assuming that once a large player is in position, they can never be unseated.

Your example about hardware even proves my point. In the early expansion days, we had lots of diversity, then x86 (and _64) "won". But today, ARM is everywhere. Hell, I'm looking at four computers now, none of which are phones, and two of them run ARM.

>>15505992
I don't know how the web would expand when everyone is already on it. Nor do I know how anyone could replace, say, Reddit or Google. I just don't see it happening. Not unless they sabotage themselves in some catastrophic way.

Yeah ARM is here but I was talking about desktops and servers, not mobile and SoC devices.

>>15505964
>but you could label SZS as moe based on that definition, and I don't think anyone thinks that it's a moe series
What is it anyway? It's about some dude and some schoolgirls. It's either moe, a harem like Negima, or absurdism like Nichijou.

I didn't say Kanon wasn't moe, but I said Shuffle was probably more of a harem. I also said i don't know much about either of them.

>"well it has moe girls, so it counts as moe" is way too loose of a definition
No its not. If moe girls are the focus or selling point, then it's what I mean. Romcoms have the relationship as the selling point and usually only a major girl or 2, harems probably have some setting other than being a harem or else are softcore porn, but the shows I mean have characters whose primary purpose is to be cute. Like a show full of token loli characters except they're actually major characters. It doesn't matter if they're solving crimes or whatever if it's all 15 year old schoolgirls doing it and acting cute and scared. Unless it's a parody type or purely comedy anime, like Tesagure or something.

Of course, like I said, VNs anime will usually fall into this by default if they're just some VN where you meet and date and fuck cute girls. For all I know about Shuffle, it might fit. I would assume it should honestly, but it might have some actual story that isn't about how tragic the girls' lives are.

What's your definition of a "moe anime"?

>>15505829
>there will be no more expansion (for the English speaking world)
I always wonder what it's like on the non-English/non-Japanese areas of the internet, away from the Anglo-sphere and their lust for censoring everything. If only there was a large scale infrastructure that wasn't hosted in the west. You'd probably be going to the level of the Chinese to get around the west blocking it but it'd be interesting to see what something like that would be like.

>>15506002
Like you said, it's only full of English speakers. The majority of the world is non-English speakers.

Since we're linking old nostalgic websites:
http://ironmouse.za.org/dragon/
Remember shrines, /jp/?

>>15505494
I feel that imageboards haven't really changed much.
4chan has, obviously, but there's hundreds more out there and the community is not that different from before. If anyone is nostalgic for the older times and you don't have at least a few other image or textboards bookmarked, you're making the problem worse for yourself. As an anon mentioned earlier, it's the same basic group of people, just under different banners.

>>15506133
SZS is a comedy that mostly satirizes Japanese society.

Calling characters moe girls is inaccurate because moe is a feeling you have towards a character, not something the character intrinsically is. The concept of moe anime is also on very shaky ground and has mostly become a way to demonize shows (since almost everyone hates moe or "moe"). It would be a lot more simple and objective to just call things SoL, comedy, drama, sports, harem or whatever they are. Even bishoujo anime would probably be a better term than moe anime.

>>15505715
What if we all started going over to 7chan?

>>15506002
>I don't know how the web would expand when everyone is already on it.
You aren't thinking hard enough, then. Today, an average day, I went without being on the internet for twelve, maybe fourteen hours. During that time, I did all sorts of things that you could staple the internet onto, just as we've stapled the internet to libraries, talking with people, having yard sales, etc.

Some of the things I did, like buying groceries, are things that people have already tried to expand the web into. They haven't succeeded yet, but lots of people failed at creating online stores before Amazon and Ebay came along.

There will be room for the internet to expand until every person is wired into it at birth and never leaves. Until that point, every startup founder and their brother will be looking for parts of our life to "reinvent".

>>15506247
As far as /jp/ is concerned, Tohnochan seems like the most suitable alternative imageboard. I haven't spent much time there yet though.

>>15506273
I don't mean finding new ways to use the web or using more of it, I mean expanding the amount of users.

>>15506246
>Even bishoujo anime would probably be a better term than moe anime.
There are anime about pretty girls that aren't moe. e.g. most otaku oriented anime with any girls in them.

>moe is a feeling you have towards a character, not something the character intrinsically is.
Do you deny that characters can be made specifically with the intention to inflict moe upon someone? You can call them kawaii tryhard characters if you want.

>>15506340
As I said, the whole concept of "moe anime" is on shaky ground. You think you're talking about something concrete or well-defined when you say some anime is "moe," but that probably isn't the case. The term bishoujo anime isn't supposed to be a direct replacement.

>Do you deny that characters can be made specifically with the intention to inflict moe upon someone?
I don't know what the intentions of the creators are, and even if they intend a character to have a certain effect it doesn't mean it will succeed in doing that. Everyone likes different characters so it's not possible to design a character to make people feel moe, and that's why it pays off to have many different characters. Conversely, even if you don't know what moe is your character can still have that effect.

K-On is considered the quintessential "moe anime," but I don't really feel moe towards the characters. I like them and I like the show, but that's it. I guess I feel the most moe towards Nodoka, but she's just a supporting character who makes sporadic appearances.

dudes this discussion is not moe
my brain cant keep up with this

>>15506357
>You think you're talking about something concrete or well-defined when you say some anime is "moe," but that probably isn't the case
I'm going to use this as a reply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

>>15506273
>Today, an average day, I went without being on the internet for twelve, maybe fourteen hours
And you were awake? Why are you here? Don't you have stuff you should be doing outside?

>>15506217
>If anyone is nostalgic for the older times and you don't have at least a few other image or textboards bookmarked, you're making the problem worse for yourself.

iichan and wakachan are dead now though. What's even a non shitty board to use? All the /jp/ ones were made by shitposters for shitposting.

>>15506217
>Remember shrines, /jp/?
waifu.pl

>>15506405
Confusing your enemy is a winning strategy.

>>15506409
Yeah, that's not a good reply. Especially when the term has become so misunderstood and demonized.

>>15506409
>All the /jp/ ones were made by shitposters for shitposting.
You're not entirely wrong, but a few of them are great. There's a fairly recent /a/ one getting off the ground, but I'm hesitant to mention any of these on /jp/ right now due to the recent influx of crossboarding shitposters. This is one of the pains of anonymity.

>>15506413
That's really great, anon! Is this a project of /a/'s?

>>15506409
I know some nice little imageboards, but they're very circle jerky and avatar posty.

>>15505128
What about something like this?

https://zeronet.io/

Is there still hope?

>>15506431
Moe is about as defined nowadays as the word cuck on 4chan but there are definitely anime that sell themselves based on having girls presented in such a way.

It's like denying anime nowadays tries to sell its self based on the yaoi and yuri fanbase or that weird fetishes have been becoming gradually more prominent.

Actually I could lump in GL and BL and saying anime is selling itself based on fetishes lately.

>>15506468
The reason all the little imageboards are dead is not because people were terrified of visiting them through the clearnet, but because nobody felt like visiting them. A new way to host an imageboard is not going to fix that problem.

At the end of the day the vast majority of these little sites were hosted by individuals, investing what spare time they had and the spare time of volunteers into developing the website and the community. When they ran out of interest or time, the sites died. The new blood that once might have found their way into all these little websites instead went to places like Reddit and 4chan, and stayed there. The people that might once have made their own websites are on Wordpress and Tumblr.

In a fight between amateurs and professionals, bet on professionals. In a fight between hobbyists and corporations, bet on corporations. How invested are you in creating a community? However enthusiastic you may be about creating a community, the guy getting paid six figures to do it full-time will probably be better at it than you.

>>15506468
If you just want to make some kind of oldfashioned or non-commercial site, you can just go to Neocities or host your own site. Using something like Zeronet just guarantees nobody will ever visit it.

>>15506477
People attach all kinds of meanings to moe, and when you say something is a moe anime it doesn't mean the same thing to all people. To most people it means something like: "There's prepubescent girls and they flash their panties and act cute and literally nothing happens." And then it's case closed, nothing to see here. It's a moeshit anime and can be disregarded.

Even if you don't use the word but just emphasize that a show is about cute girls, people will think: "Oh, right. Moeshit. Nothing to see here." People who hate moe pay more attention to it now than people who like it. The fact that something has cute girls in it becomes its sole defining feature.

>>15506508
What's wrong with that? Why do you defend "moe" so much? I liked Mahou Shoujo Nante Mou Ii Desukara, but it is literally "There's prepubescent girls and they flash their panties and act cute and literally nothing happens."

>>15506439
I just set up an e-mail specifically for this thread.
Mail me at anoniimous (at) waifu.club with some sentences proving you're not an annoying child and I'll send you board links. The thread has been great so I'm not doubting anyone here, it's just that I'm not going to dump links in a thread.

>>15506577
>Why do you defend "moe" so much? I liked Mahou Shoujo Nante Mou Ii Desukara, but it is literally "There's prepubescent girls and they flash their panties and act cute and literally nothing happens."
And how does that apply to Girls und Panzer, Hidamari Sketch, Love Live or Tamayura? Are they about prepubescent girls flashing their panties and acting cute while literally nothing happens because that's apparently what "moe" means now? And your description doesn't even apply to the show you're talking about, which is bizarre since you indicate you've watched it.

This is why the term is such a headache and should not be used at all to describe anime.

>>15506439
>There's a fairly recent /a/ one getting off the ground, but I'm hesitant to mention any of these on /jp/ right now due to the recent influx of crossboarding shitposters.
>>15506584
> some sentences proving you're not an annoying child

But /a/ is as bad as /v/ and /vg/. Who is the population of the board if it's not /a/?

>>15506613
>And your description doesn't even apply to the show you're talking about, which is bizarre since you indicate you've watched it.
Did you watch it? Nothing happened for 12 entire episodes. Nothing.

>does that apply to Girls und Panzer, Hidamari Sketch, Love Live or Tamayura?

Resolving minor personal issues and going to school isn't "stuff happening", so unless there was a war that broke out in GnP, then yes it describes them too. You should have asked why is SW a moe anime when stuff happens, but I guess it wouldn't pass the "There's prepubescent girls and they flash their panties" part. The answer is because they're mecha musume type moe characters. They could make an anime about Nijura maids or OS tans and have them involved in stuff, but you couldn't deny they were just selling you cute girls instead of a nice story.

>This is why the term is such a headache and should not be used at all to describe anime.
It's perfectly fine like other generic terms like shounen, magical girl, ecchi, and harem.

>>15506631
That's what they're trying to get away from, anon. Cause and effect.

>>15506667
>Resolving minor personal issues and going to school isn't "stuff happening"
Life is happening.

>you couldn't deny they were just selling you cute girls instead of a nice story.
They're not selling you plot, obviously. They're selling you atmosphere. Grouping together all these shows under "moe" is about as valid as taking every show with a cool main character and calling it a "cool" show because a good portion of the appeal is that the main character is cool. Hardly makes them the same thing.

>>15506717
>taking every show with a cool main character and calling it a "cool" show because a good portion of the appeal is that the main character is cool.
That's called "Chuuni anime" nowadays.

>>15506667
>They could make an anime about Nijura maids or OS tans and have them involved in stuff, but you couldn't deny they were just selling you cute girls instead of a nice story.

That's an absolute nonsense statement because what you said is a judgment of quality, not categorizing genre. Just because you don't like or believe the stories are done poorly (Girls und Panzer was about saving their school, and Miho overcoming her mother's draconian mentality) isn't grounds to call them irrelevant to what their genre should be considered.

On the other hand, you have shows that are atmospheric in nature like Aria, or for more modern things, something like Gochiusa. But then that should be called a slice of life, because calling it "moe" doesn't tell me anything about it besides there's cute girls.

>It's perfectly fine like other generic terms like shounen, magical girl, ecchi, and harem.
It's absolutely not perfectly fine.

Shounen is a shitty term to use as a genre, yes, because it's a demographic, not a genre.

Magical girl, ecchi, and harem are far more concrete terms than moe, I can't believe you can't see that. So no, moe is not on the same level of them as a label for a genre. It's a shitty label that doesn't make any sense whatsoever and basically means "this is too cute to me"

Frankly, I think the earlier assessment of Haruhi as a moe series is absolutely absurd too. What the hell do Strike Witches, Haruhi, and Hidamari Sketch have in common? Apparently all that matters is that they have cute girls and that's enough to group them in the same genre despite being barely alike aside from that fact.

>>15506667
Gurls und Panzer was not a minor personal issue. Miho was disowned from her family because her style of senshado clashed with the rest of her families. Their school was on the line throughout that whole tournament. When you're a kid, a school is like your home. The fact that their school was a boat they had to maintain accentuates this. Gurls und Panzer wasn't just about cute girls being cute, it was about sportsmanship. It was about Miho growing up, becoming an excellent leader, and proving herself to her family. It's about a smalltown underdog overcoming huge odds to win the big league. By your standards, you might as well say that anything is a minor personal detail.

Don't get me wrong, having cute girls helps. However in order for a show like GuP to work you need some meat and potatoes, and GuP had its helping of meat and potatoes. I'm not saying it's a dramatic masterpiece, but it's there.

>>15506246
Lucky Star is a comedy too , but I you'd be hard pressed to find someone not call it a moe series. Moe is a crap label.

>>15506890
Haruhi is part of a moe hell of moe girls in everything being moe. All of it's major girls are moe type characters. Even Haruhi herself stated a short trend of girls like herself.(Or at least anime being made with girls like her.) Yuki is just neo-emotionless weird girl who really has strong emotions. Mikuru is one of the main things people called a moeblob.

It also has several actual moe spinoffs, like one about Yuki and Ryoko living together. The actual series is just some haremish light novel anime but it's not detached from the moestorm.

>"moe" doesn't tell me anything about it besides there's cute girls.
That's all it takes for people to watch it.

And that's what's the problem is. A focus on having cute girls that hit that spot with fans over the rest of the series. They could make so many plots, but they choose to make it about someone attending school or the personal lives of girls, they could have so many characters, but they choose young girls with even younger faces/bodies wearing typical anime style outfits. Is there really a reason it has to be Girls und Panzer and not Kids und Panzer? Are the schools in the series all all girl's schools? It couldn't just be adults playing tank wars as a professional sport? I mean it and SW are also military otaku type shows, so what are the girls for, if not to sell it to a wider audience of moe-hungry otaku?

But going back to the first topic, moe hell is more than pointless shows supported by their cast of cute girls. It's also about the girls in the shows needing to ooze cuteness and innocence, even to the point they just started removing guys altogether. But then that's even more boring so they started making them have relationships with one another. Because somehow that's still "pure".

At least that age seems to be mostly over, but I wish this idol anime trend would end too. If they can just ban that, MMO/fantasy anime about going to MMO-like worlds, and meta otaku anime for like 5 years, anime would be saved.

>>15506892
You seem to have moe for Miho. I guess the show was a success.

>>15507004
Moe is a crap trend and a crap word.

>>15507043
You know, I posted that image just because, but looking at the second to last post, moeifcation did eventually expand to RPG monsters and create the neo-furry monstergirl triend. It's almost scary.

>>15507043
>Haruhi is part of a moe hell of moe girls in everything being moe. All of it's major girls are moe type characters. Even Haruhi herself stated a short trend of girls like herself.(Or at least anime being made with girls like her.) Yuki is just neo-emotionless weird girl who really has strong emotions. Mikuru is one of the main things people called a moeblob.
The problem here is you haven't defined what moe is besides "when the author wants you to feel something." You literally just stated "this is Yuki's personality and that's a moe. This is Haruhi's personality and that's a moe. Mikuru is a moe."

You're labelling whatever you want as moe because you've failed to provide one besides some nonsense based on author intent which is an extremely shaky argument, so of course you can go around pointing at things left and right calling it moe.

>It couldn't just be adults playing tank wars as a professional sport? I mean it and SW are also military otaku type shows, so what are the girls for, if not to sell it to a wider audience of moe-hungry otaku?
You're showing your bias here. The author doesn't need to "justify" to anyone why his entire cast is females any more than he needs to justify his entire cast is made up of males. What if the author prefers seeing female characters within the context of the setting he created. Why is that suddenly "pandering?" Is Rainbow pandering because the main cast is made up of entirely males? Of course not, the dynamic between a bunch of girls stuck in prison would be different and the author didn't want to write that. For GuP, why can't the author just want to see how a bunch of girls riding tanks in a world where tank-riding is considered feminine would be like?

The difference here, because you think something like GuP lacks substance so you throw it under the "moe" label as a way to dismiss it and the characters as soulless and complain about the "trend" of what amounts to basically "things I don't like."

>But going back to the first topic, moe hell is more than pointless shows supported by their cast of cute girls. It's also about the girls in the shows needing to ooze cuteness and innocence.
You mean that "hell" that consisted of no more than a handful of shows every season? ok. You even had to cite OVAs that lasted no more than 1 or 2 episodes.

Even cuteness is just a weak definition for moe to begin with. People can find tough tomboys cute, people find sassy overbearing characters cute, people find emotionless characters cute, people find helpless characters cute. In reality, by cute, you just mean "appealing" in this context. And yes, people usually try to make their characters appealing - that's not something new, or a trend.

Innocence in the sense of love and relationships is something else entirely and not limited to anime, or even japan -characters usually tend to fall to either end of the extreme for other reasons entirely that have nothing to do with moe.

>You seem to have moe for Miho. I guess the show was a success.
No, that anon was literally explaining the plot of GuP. It doesn't matter if you think that plot is irrelevant, "School closing down and being disowned" is not a "minor personal issue." Do many series engage in minor personal issues to drive an episode forward? Yes. Does GuP fall under this category? No.

>Moe is a crap trend and a crap word.
It's a crap word because people insist on using it to denounce whatever they don't like in place of actual criticism. It shuts down any argument because it implies that whoever is arguing for the "moe" series only does so because "you just like the cute girls hurr" like what you literally just did above to the other anon about GuP.

>>15507119
I really want to doubly emphasize the last part. This is the exact problem with most people who insist there is/was a "moe" problem in anime. You dismissed his entire summary about the plot and its themes by just implying he only cares because he found Miho moe.

>>15507125
>You dismissed his entire summary about the plot and its themes by just implying he only cares because he found Miho moe.
Would he care as much about Miho if Miho was a man in college trying to prove the same?

>it implies that whoever is arguing for the "moe" series only does so because "you just like the cute girls hurr"
How could you like moe for anything but cute girls? Do you watch the female oriented shows based on otome games where it's full of males because they have the kind of plots you like?

>You mean that "hell" that consisted of no more than a handful of shows every season?
Yeah, if you count kids anime no one but japanese kids watch, anime no one remembers today or gives a shit about, and a handful of other popular anime in other genres. Guess which anime were omnipresent and people were talking about the most. It's like saying there's not a current flood of idol shows because there are still lots of other anime. You're just blowing it off.

>The problem here is you haven't defined what moe
No, the problem here is you're attempting to make my argument seem vague through intentional ignorance in your defense of moe.

>What if the author prefers seeing female characters within the context of the setting he created.
Then he did it for the moe.

>Even cuteness is just a weak definition for moe to begin with
No it's not. There is a definite style(set of styles really) you'd associate with moege VNs and there is a definite style you'd associate with moe characters.
Furthermore you described a bunch of character types with 1-note moe personalities.

>"School closing down and being disowned" is not a "minor personal issue."
In anime it is. "My family doesn't like the way I drive tanks on a boat" and "I might have to change schools" is not that big a deal.

>You even had to cite OVAs that lasted no more than 1 or 2 episodes.
and you aren't counting the non-moe ovas as non-moe shows? Be honest. That's a dumb argument.
And that's ignoring you can't even refute that I was right in that there were at least 6 without attacking them for not being of a certain length.

>you throw it under the "moe" label as a way to dismiss it and the characters as soulless and complain about the "trend" of what amounts to basically "things I don't like."
No, that's what I do with yaoishit and yurishit. Moe is fine sometimes, but you don't need more than one show a season. You don't need more than few robot shows a season. You don't ne-

Now that I think about it, go back to that list and find 6 shows that are similar (that aren't magical girl or mecha, with which the market is also saturated)

You could probably go here http://anichart.net/summer and do the same with shows that are not about idols.

>>15507273
>Would he care as much about Miho if Miho was a man in college trying to prove the same?
Maybe, maybe not anon. Me saying "yes he would" has about the same amount of weight as you saying "no he wouldn't." Making the assumption "you only care because she's a girl" at that anon is baseless and you're just being a complete pretentious ass and nosing down at people about their tastes in chinese cartoons, especially when he actually provided a constructive response to your claim that GuP has no plot.

>How could you like moe for anything but cute girls? Do you watch the female oriented shows based on otome games where it's full of males because they have the kind of plots you like?
You're talking to the wrong person here because I actually do occasionally read otome for the change in pace.

I can't speak for everyone, but I genuinely liked the story in GuP. I like the interactions between girls in a lot of slice of life series too and I can see the merits and faults in how some shows execute it (or fail to execute it) properly, for more than just "they're cute." Just because you can't appreciate atmospheric series doesn't mean other people can't.

>Yeah, if you count kids anime no one but japanese kids watch, anime no one remembers today or gives a shit about, and a handful of other popular anime in other genres. Guess which anime were omnipresent and people were talking about the most. It's like saying there's not a current flood of idol shows because there are still lots of other anime. You're just blowing it off.
Except there were way more memorable shit that wasn't moe in any remote way than there was moe things. I'm not going to list them all unless I have to, but someone earlier even said that it was a good year and you dismissed it as "it was just the initial wave" except there really wasn't, even after K-On's explosion of popularity.

>No, the problem here is you're attempting to make my argument seem vague through intentional ignorance in your defense of moe.
I'm not being intentionally ignorant - clearly you and I have a very different definition if you consider Haruhi a moe series and I don't. I ask you what your definition is and you just went "author intentions," which again, isn't an argument, especially when we're talking about genre. It's already an controversial thing to discuss when talking about themes in literature, but you're trying to apply it a genre. You're not accepting that other people can have different definitions from you and expect me to just know what you're talking about because the only people you listen to are the ones who echo chamber your sentiments back at you, and claiming I'm being intentionally ignorant simply because I disagree. Your argument IS vague to anyone that hasn't listened to people bitch about "moe is taking over anime!!!" for the past decade to get a grasp of what those types of people seem to generally hate by seeing what they complain about.

>Then he did it for the moe.
Again, presuming you know the intentions of the author isn't an argument. I could make the argument that Rainbow is pandering yaoi bait because all male cast and it has just as much weight.

>In anime it is. "My family doesn't like the way I drive tanks on a boat" and "I might have to change schools" is not that big a deal.
Not everything needs to be a life or death situation to have gravity. Phrasing "I got disowned from my family" the way you did is just intentionally trying to downplay it. Being disowned is far more severe than something like planning a culture festival. So is the school shutting down, for that matter. On top of that, those minor personal problems are usually resolved in a single episode, while the issues in GuP took the entire series to conclude. They are nothing alike in pacing or content.

1/2

>No it's not. There is a definite style(set of styles really) you'd associate with moege VNs and there is a definite style you'd associate with moe characters.
Furthermore you described a bunch of character types with 1-note moe personalities.
Of course every character falls into some kind of general archetype, that applies to fiction in general, but they can be developed or explored differently. Asuka as a tsundere is treated, depicted and developed very differently as a sassy type versus someone like Rin.

>and you aren't counting the non-moe ovas as non-moe shows? Be honest. That's a dumb argument.
And that's ignoring you can't even refute that I was right in that there were at least 6 without attacking them for not being of a certain length.
I genuinely wasn't - I was actually surprised you even went to the OVA section because so many of those are short as fuck or just flat out oneshots. I wasn't even considering continuing series until you and others pulled them in mentioning Kanon.

And I did refute you. _Summer isn't even a moe series if you're considering Kanon and Shuffle to not be moe series, which they aren't. Strike Witches didn't even air that year. I disagree with Robot Girls and Saint October being a moe series but it's really hard to argue that one because you haven't even actually defined what moe series is besides author intentions, but frankly, their pacing and plotlines are nothing alike compared to Hidamari or Manabi.

>Now that I think about it, go back to that list and find 6 shows that are similar (that aren't magical girl or mecha, with which the market is also saturated)
Except there weren't 6 to begin with. Robot Girls or Saint October is not similar to Manabi Straight because they have cute girls any more than Afro Samurai is similar to Ikkitousen because they both have fighting and swords, but if you really want me to build such a meaningless list, I can do it. But you're just going to dismiss it as "they're not alike enough" when that's precisely the problem with you grouping so many shows together as moe.

>You could probably go here http://anichart.net/summer and do the same with shows that are not about idols.
I genuinely have no idea what you're even talking about in regards to idols. It's like PriPara, Love Live, and Im@s Cinderella Girls, and that's it for series directed at men that are actually popular and started recently - Aikatsu is an old franchise. Even including that, you can barely get to 6 this entire year and that's only if you include a shoujo series which is not nearly the same thing.

>No it's not. There is a definite style(set of styles really) you'd associate with moege VNs and there is a definite style you'd associate with moe characters.
>Furthermore you described a bunch of character types with 1-note moe personalities.
Of course every character falls into some kind of general archetype, that applies to fiction in general, but they can be developed or explored differently. Asuka as a tsundere is treated, depicted and developed very differently as a sassy type versus someone like Rin.

>and you aren't counting the non-moe ovas as non-moe shows? Be honest. That's a dumb argument.
>And that's ignoring you can't even refute that I was right in that there were at least 6 without attacking them for not being of a certain length.
I genuinely wasn't - I was actually surprised you even went to the OVA section because so many of those are short as fuck or just flat out oneshots. I wasn't even considering continuing series until you and others pulled them in mentioning Kanon.

And I did refute you. _Summer isn't even a moe series if you're considering Kanon and Shuffle to not be moe series, which they aren't. Strike Witches didn't even air that year. I disagree with Robot Girls and Saint October being a moe series but it's really hard to argue that one because you haven't even actually defined what moe series is besides author intentions, but frankly, their pacing and plotlines are nothing alike compared to Hidamari or Manabi.

>Now that I think about it, go back to that list and find 6 shows that are similar (that aren't magical girl or mecha, with which the market is also saturated)
Except there weren't 6 to begin with. Robot Girls or Saint October is not similar to Manabi Straight because they have cute girls any more than Afro Samurai is similar to Ikkitousen because they both have fighting and swords, but if you really want me to build such a meaningless list, I can do it. But you're just going to dismiss it as "they're not alike enough" when that's precisely the problem with you grouping so many shows together as moe.

>You could probably go here http://anichart.net/summer and do the same with shows that are not about idols.
I genuinely have no idea what you're even talking about in regards to idols. It's like PriPara, Love Live, and Im@s Cinderella Girls, and that's it for series directed at men that are actually popular and started recently - Aikatsu is an old franchise. Even including that, you can barely get to 6 this entire year and that's only if you include a shoujo series which is not nearly the same thing. Yes, Love Live, Im@s and PriPara are successful but that's different from the year being infested with those series.

fucked up quoting

>>15507422
>I genuinely have no idea what you're even talking about in regards to idols.
Don't pull that "I don't get what you mean" bullshit here. Go look at every show that says it's about an idol group, male or female.

>>15507430
Sure, hell I'll do you one more and throw in the entire year.

>B-PROJECT: Kodou＊Ambitious
>Love Live! Sunshine!!
>TSUKIUTA. THE ANIMATION
>Girlish Number
>Nurse Witch Komugi-chan R
>Aikatsu Stars!

and if you really wanna count that shoujou series

>Buddy Go!

Wow, 7 series in the entire year, a third of them not even directed at your demographic based on your quip about not watching or reading otome! Idols are taking over anime, clearly. Please.

There's a lot of text here so I'm going to post an image of Ran eating.
Remember to take it easy, guys!

>>15507273
>Would he care as much about Miho if Miho was a man in college trying to prove the same?
Then it would be a completely different character.

>>15507449
There's that too, but he sounds like he's under the impression that the only possible reason you could care about a female character in whatever he deems is a "moe series" is that they're cute.

>>15507438
You missed one and also you still haven't named 6 anime with a similar theme. Or is idols not coherent enough for you?

>>15507465
If you're talking about that crane one that was 5 minute shorts, that had almost nothing to do idols and more to do crane games and space if you had actually bothered to take the time to watch even a bit of it. But I guess that's too much to expect.

I already explained my problem with naming 6 anime with similar themes. The way you're grouping "moe" shows together is if I went to the list and Ctrl+F'd "action" and listed every one that comes up. If you really want me to, I'll go ahead and do that, but I already know you're going to tell me that they're not similar enough when that's exactly what I've been saying about half the shows you've been grouping under the "moe genre" this entire time.

>>15507273
>In anime it is.
This is absurd. People's problems don't vary in size depending on whether that character came from a TV show, a book, or a cartoon. The fact that lots of anime deal with wars and high drama doesn't make regular human drama pointless, unless you're actually measuring all the plots of anime against each other on an absolute size scale. Which is retarded.

>>15507485
Even among slightly fantastic school anime, she could be actually being forced to kill people or fight sea monsters or something. Even among realistic drama, much more pressing things could be happening. I mean their boat could be filling with water a little more every episode and sinking, with no hope of reaching shore and that would not even be something more fantastic than being disowned.

Why the fuck are you arguing so much about one specific show anyway, like the entire existence of moe anime hinges on whether or not the show you like is, in fact, a moe anime?

>>15507476
>If you really want me to, I'll go ahead and do that
What I want you to understand is that there aren't. It's a flood because there are lots of similar shows of a specific type, and a bunch of different shows of different types.

If there are two red buttons, two orange buttons, two yellow buttons, two black buttons, one white button, one purple button, three brown buttons, and six turquoise buttons, it's going to seem like there are lots of turquoise buttons. And maybe some of them are lighter and darker shades of turquoise, but you're trying to argue that there are no turquoise buttons, but rather just some green buttons and some blue buttons, and that the turquoise button in a shade you like is actually cyan.

Also, I hate to use this misused word, but quit projecting your anger that people don't like your button at me.

>>15507583
>Why the fuck are you arguing so much about one specific show
I haven't watched Girls und Panzer. I thought the premise was silly.

What I thought was retarded, though, was that you seem to be valuing plots based primarily on their urgency and size. More dramatic is better. Larger scale is better. Why? A story about a guy who is worried about not being able to find a job is not somehow guaranteed to be worse than if you changed the story to be about a guy who was worried about not being able to find the medication he needs to live. It just becomes a different story.

>but you're trying to argue that there are no turquoise buttons, but rather just some green buttons and some blue buttons, and that the turquoise button in a shade you like is actually cyan.
In your example six out of nineteen buttons are turquoise. That's almost one in three, and might be considered a flood. For anime this year we're looking at six out of something like a hundred, which is significantly less like a flood.

>>15507583
Continuing from >>15507601 - I really don't know what you mean by a "moe anime" other than the fact that every show featuring girls who are cute is a "moe anime." Sure, you can call it that. But that's a shitton of shows. Probably as many that rely on a cool guy for appeal.

If I took every show with a cool guy and called it a "cool show" and tried to use this as a meaningful category, probably something near all the shows you like would be "cool shows." And then I could complain that you only need two shows a season that have a cool MC, and that you wouldn't watch these shows if MC were uncool, and claim that you literally only care about MC being cool and the rest of the show is just whatever. But it wouldn't be a very useful distinction.

>>15507583
>Even among slightly fantastic school anime, she could be actually being forced to kill people or fight sea monsters or something. Even among realistic drama, much more pressing things could be happening. I mean their boat could be filling with water a little more every episode and sinking, with no hope of reaching shore and that would not even be something more fantastic than being disowned.
How does the fact that there could be an even more pressing thing going on make it so the slightly less pressing issue is something minor and personal?

By the same argument, Higurashi's plotline isn't pressing enough because it only concerns some hick village virus and could instead concern the entirety of Japan, so clearly the whole thing was just a personal issue.

>Why the fuck are you arguing so much about one specific show anyway, like the entire existence of moe anime hinges on whether or not the show you like is, in fact, a moe anime?
No, it has to do with you making nonsensical arguments. Not everyone who disagrees with you does it because insecure about my tastes or something, you have a bad habit of making assumptions about other people's intentions. You did it earlier with the other anon saying he only thought GuP had substance because Miho was cute.

>What I want you to understand is that there aren't. It's a flood because there are lots of similar shows of a specific type, and a bunch of different shows of different types.

>If there are two red buttons, two orange buttons, two yellow buttons, two black buttons, one white button, one purple button, three brown buttons, and six turquoise buttons, it's going to seem like there are lots of turquoise buttons. And maybe some of them are lighter and darker shades of turquoise, but you're trying to argue that there are no turquoise buttons, but rather just some green buttons and some blue buttons, and that the turquoise button in a shade you like is actually cyan.
Except that's not true. Afro Samurai, Ikkitousen, Tokyo Majin, and Naruto all came out that winter season and they're all action series that involve fantasy settings with action. I'm not counting continuing series or the list would grow even bigger. They're all action anime series, but let me guess, they're not similar enough? Naruto isn't directed at the same demographic? Afro Samurai is stylistically different? Ikkitousen takes place in a modern setting rather than the more medieval settings of the other series? I can apply the same arguments to the series you listed - Saint October is a fantasy adventure drama and nobody looking to watch something similar to Hidamari Sketch would be picking it up for that reason. Rocket Girls in terms of directing and visual feel/pacing is inherently very different in feel compared to something like Manabi because of the plot and the setting in space. The reason I didn't bother making this argument is because you're obviously not going to be convinced.

You don't need to make the button analogy because I already know what you think I'm doing, except I'm not. You're just oversimplifying things you don't like because you aren't as interested. That's what people normally do to begin with with things they don't like. All FPS shooters play and feel the same to me because I'm not really that interested, but you'll have people swear up and down to me that Battlefield and CoD are really different, and sure, I'll take their word for it because I can't say I was fully invested when I tried them out.

>Also, I hate to use this misused word, but quit projecting your anger that people don't like your button at me.
It's misused because of people like you - you aren't even using it correctly, even if you were right. Projection doesn't even apply in this context, and even if it did, I'm not angry - people like you have been complaining incessantly for the past decade at this point, if I got angry every time I heard someone claim that moe is taking over anime, I'd need a therapist by now.

>>15507583
>Even among slightly fantastic school anime, she could be actually being forced to kill people or fight sea monsters or something. Even among realistic drama, much more pressing things could be happening. I mean their boat could be filling with water a little more every episode and sinking, with no hope of reaching shore and that would not even be something more fantastic than being disowned.
How does the fact that there could be an even more pressing thing going on make it so the slightly less pressing issue is something minor and personal?

By the same argument, Higurashi's plotline isn't pressing enough because it only concerns some hick village virus and could instead concern the entirety of Japan, so clearly the whole thing was just a personal issue.

>Why the fuck are you arguing so much about one specific show anyway, like the entire existence of moe anime hinges on whether or not the show you like is, in fact, a moe anime?
No, it has to do with you making nonsensical arguments. Not everyone who disagrees with you does it because insecure about my tastes or something, you have a bad habit of making assumptions about other people's intentions. You did it earlier with the other anon saying he only thought GuP had substance because Miho was cute.

>What I want you to understand is that there aren't. It's a flood because there are lots of similar shows of a specific type, and a bunch of different shows of different types.

>If there are two red buttons, two orange buttons, two yellow buttons, two black buttons, one white button, one purple button, three brown buttons, and six turquoise buttons, it's going to seem like there are lots of turquoise buttons. And maybe some of them are lighter and darker shades of turquoise, but you're trying to argue that there are no turquoise buttons, but rather just some green buttons and some blue buttons, and that the turquoise button in a shade you like is actually cyan.
Except that's not true. Afro Samurai, Ikkitousen, Tokyo Majin, and Naruto all came out that winter season and they're all action series that involve fantasy settings with action. I'm not counting continuing series or the list would grow even bigger. They're all action anime series, but let me guess, they're not similar enough? Naruto isn't directed at the same demographic? Afro Samurai is stylistically different? Ikkitousen takes place in a modern setting rather than the more medieval settings of the other series? I can apply the same arguments to the series you listed - Saint October is a fantasy adventure drama and nobody looking to watch something similar to Hidamari Sketch would be picking it up for that reason. Rocket Girls in terms of directing and visual feel/pacing is inherently very different in feel compared to something like Manabi because of the plot and the setting in space. The reason I didn't bother making this argument is because you're obviously not going to be convinced.

You don't need to make the button analogy because I already know what you think I'm doing, except I'm not. You're just oversimplifying things you don't like because you aren't as interested. That's what people normally do to begin with with things they don't like.

>Also, I hate to use this misused word, but quit projecting your anger that people don't like your button at me.
It's misused because of people like you - you aren't even using it correctly, even if you were right. Projection doesn't even apply in this context, and even if it did, I'm not angry - people like you have been complaining incessantly for the past decade at this point, if I got angry every time I heard someone claim that moe is taking over anime, I'd need a therapist by now.

>>15507601
Using the first example, and ignoring the ovas, of which I'd be a lot more unfair to, it's still like 4/5 out of 20 non kid shows(Naruto, Precure, Dinosaur king) starting up then, which isn't much better.

>>15507636
>probably something near all the shows you like would be "cool shows."
I told you to quit projecting at me.

>>15507677
>Using the first example, and ignoring the ovas, of which I'd be a lot more unfair to, it's still like 4/5 out of 20 non kid shows(Naruto, Precure, Dinosaur king) starting up then, which isn't much better.
The six idol shows selected were from all this year. More than 20 shows aired this year.

>I told you to quit projecting at me.
That's nice. Let's imagine intead that I'm now talking to some other person, not you, who really enjoys mecha, science fiction, fantasy, and detective noir. Lots of these shows have a cool MC. It would still be extremely stupid of me to identify a single major element of character appeal and then conclude that all these shows belong to the same genre.

>>15507677
>2 people said 2 or 3 moe series that season
>you say it's 4 or 5 moe series that season
>>15504007
>>15503095

clearly it's 4 or 5 and not 2 or 3 because you said so right? I can talk until I'm blue in the face about how Rocket Girls is about as similar to Manabi Straight as Tokyo Majin is to Afro Samurai but you're still not going to accept it, nor are you going to agree that labeling something as a "moe show" is an idiotic and overly vague concept to begin with.

Do you know why secondaries are so confused what moe is and what a moe show is usually? You know, with those threads on mainstream sites trying to explain moe only for other people to disagree. It's because they haven't had the privilege to listen to people complain for the past decade about the spooky moe infestation happening to get a general feel as to what kind of shows people like you consider moe - they only have the "definition" you try to go by, which is vague, idiotic, and overly general.

>I told you to quit projecting at me.
Quit using buzzwords to try to discredit the person you're arguing with, the guy you were responding to wasn't even me.

>>15507660
>Ikkitousen, Naruto
>I'm not counting continuing series
?
You also only listed 4, not 6.

Also the only argument I would make is that at a glance Afro Samurai seems to be more realistic than the rest, the others being about people with super powers and magic and shit. Other than that, they are all martial arts/sword/weapon fighting shows. Also only 4. And there are literally no others. At best it's roughly equal to the moe tv-only shows and slightly more than the robot shows.

>You did it earlier with the other anon saying he only thought GuP had substance because Miho was cute.
No, I softly implied he's trying way too hard to defend a series that has little to do with the argument at hand, like he has a personal investment in the character he's talking about.

>You're just oversimplifying things you don't like because you aren't as interested. That's what people normally do to begin with with things they don't like.
Quit pouring your assumptions onto me.

>>15507701
>clearly it's 4 or 5 and not 2 or 3 because you said so right?
Clearly moe anime doesn't exist because you said so, right?

/pol/ meetup today was super fun!

>>15507748
It's an invented term. You can decide it means whatever you want it to mean.

>>15507735
>?
>You also only listed 4, not 6.

I said I wasn't counting the series that had started in a previous season and were still airing in the current season, only series that started up fresh this season (This is actually in your favor because the only remotely moe series that was continuing was Kanon.)

There's 4 action series and 2 series I (and the other anon) would consider "moe." There's a couple of drama series, like 5 romance series, 2 of them being harems, and comedy overlapping into some of them here or there. Then you have the one off sports series and a couple of mecha. And precure. I call that a pretty balanced season.

>>15507748
If you want to claim that it exists, provide some kind of definitive criteria instead of loosely grouping everything with cute girls and perceived lack of other substance as "moe series."

What you just said is about as convincing as the old "prove God doesn't exist." It's on you to provide the criteria for what qualifies as a "moe series" if you're the one claiming it exists.

>Quit pouring your assumptions onto me.
If you can't take it, then don't deal it. At least I have somewhat of a basis to make that assumption based on the way you nose down on people saying there's no possible reason to like a girl in a so-called "moe" series besides finding them cute.

>>15506667
>Did you watch it? Nothing happened for 12 entire episodes. Nothing.
It's a parody of magical girl shows, and the characters aren't prepubescent.

>Resolving minor personal issues and going to school isn't "stuff happening", so unless there was a war that broke out in GnP, then yes it describes them too.
Girls und Panzer is a sports show about fighting mock battles with World War II tanks. There's tank action in probably every episode except one, and we barely see the inside of a classroom. Most of the time is spent on tank battles or preparing for them. The movie's runtime is 90 minutes of battles and 30 minutes of everything else.

But I guess the fact that the characters are cute girls is the only thing that matters and the only defining feature of GuP.

>The answer is because they're mecha musume type moe characters.
A character can't be intrinsically moe.

>They could make an anime about Nijura maids or OS tans and have them involved in stuff, but you couldn't deny they were just selling you cute girls instead of a nice story.
I could, since your description doesn't say anything about what kind of a show it would be, and there isn't even anything wrong with an anime whose main appeal is cute girls.

>It's perfectly fine like other generic terms like shounen, magical girl, ecchi, and harem.
Not all words and concepts are the same.

>>15507043
>All of it's major girls are moe type characters.
A moe type character is whatever type you're personally into, i.e. a moe character can be any character.

>Mikuru is one of the main things people called a moeblob.
Moeblobs are a figment of the collective imagination of Western anime viewers. They don't actually exist.

>It also has several actual moe spinoffs, like one about Yuki and Ryoko living together. The actual series is just some haremish light novel anime but it's not detached from the moestorm.
It's almost like you have no idea what the series is actually about.

>That's all it takes for people to watch it.
All it takes to get mecha fans to watch an anime is to have mecha in it.

>They could make so many plots, but they choose to make it about...
That's exactly how stories are made. There are many possibilities and the author chooses one.

>typical anime style outfits
You mean characters who attend school wear school uniforms? Exactly as they do in real life in Japan?

>what are the girls for, if not to sell it to a wider audience of moe-hungry otaku?
How do you know that the creators didn't personally like cute girls too? Since there are many otaku who like them and since many otaku become designers, illustrators, animators, manga artists, writers and game designers, it follows that there are creative professionals in Japan who like cute girls.

>It's also about the girls in the shows needing to ooze cuteness and innocence, even to the point they just started removing guys altogether.
Hidamari Sketch, for example, was created by a female manga artist. It wasn't created when Shaft's moustache-twirling executives got together in a smoky, dimly lit conferece room to decide what the show "needs."

>But then that's even more boring so they started making them have relationships with one another.
Yuri has its roots all the way back in pre-war Japan.

>I wish this idol anime trend would end too
The trend has mostly consisted of four shows and two movies released between 2011 and now, and idol anime has existed since the 80s in one form or another.

>If they can just ban that, MMO/fantasy anime about going to MMO-like worlds, and meta otaku anime for like 5 years, anime would be saved.
SAO, Grimgar, Danmachi, Overlord, KonoSuba and Re:Zero all have the same basic premise, yet they're all different from each other in terms of story, characters, tone and aesthetics.

And if you don't like those shows you can simply not watch them, but I know that's never an option for you people. You aren't satisfied until everything on the planet that slightly offends you or even just disinterests you is eliminated. Otherwise, how you could possibly re-watch Cowboy Bebop for the 50th time in peace?

>Moe is a crap trend
Did you know that Hayao Miyazaki felt moe towards a character in the 1958 movie Hakujaden when he was young?

>>15507273
>Do you watch the female oriented shows based on otome games where it's full of males because they have the kind of plots you like?
I've watched otome anime. Norn9 turned out to be an interesting and ambitious scifi story, and I picked up Prince of Stride because I thought the parkour could be cool.

>Guess which anime were omnipresent and people were talking about the most.
Nobody is forcing you to limit yourself only to anime that everyone is talking about or seems to be talking about.

What shows exist and in what amounts is a purely objective matter, and objectively this invasion from Planet Moe never actually happened the way historical revisionists think it did.

>It's like saying there's not a current flood of idol shows because there are still lots of other anime.
Can you actually name all the anime that this "flood" consists of?

>Then he did it for the moe.
This isn't actually saying anything.

>There is a definite style(set of styles really) you'd associate with moege VNs and there is a definite style you'd associate with moe characters.
Which is what? Being cheerful? Shy? Brash? Stoic? Cool? Bizarre? Aggressive? Air-headed? Emotionless? Tough? Chuunibyou? I personally like boyish characters the most.

>"My family doesn't like the way I drive tanks on a boat" and "I might have to change schools" is not that big a deal.
Miho has a strained relationship with her family, she's strong-armed into joining the sensha-do team, and then she's told if she doesn't win the tournament the school gets closed and everyone living on the carrier can just fuck off.

>>15507043
I don't have moe for Miho, it's more like respect. Not every character someone likes is moe. I can say that I respect this character for being brave and leading others when they were clearly afraid to do so. Way to ignore all of my points. GuP has moe elements but there's more to it and its appeal than that.

>>15436534
Everything was more fun in 2007, RIP fun.

>>15508484
Fuck you're stupid. Get out of /jp/.

>>15509405
What did I say that's stupid?

Why is /jp/ such an echo chamber?

It almost feels like a parody of itself nowadays.

>>15509509
It just argued with itself (about something not related to /jp/, but, you know) for twelve hours, so unless "echo chamber" means something very weird I don't know where you're getting this.

>>15509517
After browsing message boards for years wherever I go I feel deja vu. Even this thread.

>>15509548
What would you do if you were stuck in one place and everyday was exactly the same, and nothing you did mattered?

>>15509517
Even a button enthusiast's club will have debates over red buttons vs blue buttons.

>>15509548
that's less "echo chamber" and more "people have been arguing about the same shit forever"

>>15509806
There's just no dynamism to a message board where the topics that are allowed are so limited in scope.

>>15509872
It's not so much that the topics themselves are limited, as much as it is the fact that most of what's interesting is inaccessible to most of /jp/.

I'd go on /jp/ and shitpost and while I waited for responses I would learn to play "The Echo (Replacement)" on piano.

>>15509565
I'd go on /jp/ and shitpost and while I waited for responses I would learn to play "The Echo (Replacement)" on my keyboard.

Everything is becoming mainstream. Shit like CR and FUNimation are the reason way too many normal people are being exposed to Japan's culture. Meme kids make it worse by being massive faggots who only been into said cultures for about a fucking year.

>>15510522
It's not really mainstream yet.

You'll know when it becomes mainstream because it'll become like how video games are now, everything needs to be edgy and mature, or artsy to be considered to have value.

>>15510572
People already think that way about anime. Or have been thinking that for a long time actually.

>>15510578
Yes, but it doesn't influence the industry as significantly right now. A fair share of what gets produced every season is still lighthearted and cutesy in nature, and plenty of fantasy series don't try to put some edgy twist on their story for no reason whatsoever.

It's true secondaries just eat up series they perceive as mature and cool, but exactly as you say, they end up phasing out of the fandom quickly. Either they just lose interest or they grow to see themselves as above "weird" Japanese culture when they get deeper in, you know those types.

In other words, moe isn't destroying anime, it's saving it.

>>15497796
Those things are usually the result of periods of prosperity, periods of strife and conflict. We are currently in the most prosperous period the world has ever seen. It's kind of silly to compare long stretches of barely-recorded history with 2010-2016.

>>15510522
Pretty sure OP was talking about Japan, not the Western weeb fandom.

>>15510572
What Western people think of anime will be largely irrelevant to most of what Japan does for a long time by pure virtue of the fact that someone who buys a BD is worth about 1000x more financially as much as someone watching a show on Netflix.

For a little while I thought the proliferation of English VNs on Steam was actually going to leave a mark on Japan (because the English PC gaming market is ludicrously fucking huge compared to the existing eroge market), but it turns out that Nekopara was just riding off meme power and OEL stuff is filling up the gap.

>>15505715
I'd go to 8_chan if it weren't the worst segments of the 4chan userbase who are constantly insisting that I go there.

>>15510612
No, I agree with you. That's why I'm saying despite whatever is wildly successful here doesn't really change the industry over there. Whatever fans that are heavily influenced by what CR and FUNimation choose to present or promote, which the other anon was complaining about, are mostly irrelevant to the actual anime industry.

I'm just going a step further by saying that I don't think the western mainstream fanbase will really grow anywhere for a long time to become remotely influential because they're too repulsed by "lolol japan is too weird" or they just lose interest because most of anime isn't stuff they like.

Can you idiots fuck off with this retarded "Decline of anime moeshit" debate or at least fuck off to /a/ to discuss this shit?

>>15510652

Let these idiots have their "intellectual" debates, it's always funny seeing a bunch of morons who have no idea what they're talking about try to act knowledgeable.

>>15510613
8~chan is pretty dead aside from /pol/, /v/ and /b/. Technical problems, a failed migration to new software, turmoil behind the scenes, attracting a large userbase of pedophiles, incessant CP spam that may have been sanctioned by the admins, and permitting people to dox and publically threaten board owners haven't really helped the site.

>>15510708
And what exactly was so idiotic about my posts, e.g. >>15508484?

>>15510733
>And what exactly was so idiotic about my posts, e.g. >>15508484?

The entire debate is inane. Nobody here has even correctly defined Moe and yet you're having a multi-quote debate with an idiot that posted a season chart as proof of "Moe flood".

>>15510735
That's exactly why the argument happened, because the person who claimed there was a moe flood refused to define moe, and when other people try to define it for him they're just told that they're just being willfully ignorant of all the moe shows.

>>15510735
How would you define moe, then?

>>15510736

Nobody here can define moe, like most debates on /a/ about moe and anime. They go nowhere, you should have known better.

>>15510737

I wouldn't define it because it's the first indicator that I'm talking to a shit poster.

>>15510757
Meaning that you either can't define it or you're worried that your definition isn't correct.

Why did you even bother bringing this up?

>>15510750
I didn't argue expecting to convince him or anyone, that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Plus, if anything, the one thing that argument showed is that moe is a vague term that pretty much means whatever you want it to be, which was one of my points to begin with.

>>15510763
Moe is, in short, an imaginary romance with a character.

On this board it's okay to recycle the same tired "photos of Japan" or Japanese pornography threads hundreds of times despite them having tenuous relevance to 'otaku culture' but if you make a thread about life and work in Japan or the Japanese economy or politics it'll get deleted.

Why even bother trying anything different? It'll just get shut down.

>>15510770
I don't know about that anon, there's people that swear up and down to me not to sexualize x or y and that they'd never ever do anything sexual to them.

I pretty much want to fuck just about everything I find cute so I can't deny what you say though in my case.

>>15510762

What's your definition of Moe? I just wanna know so i can laugh.

>>15510770
>Moe is, in short, an imaginary romance with a character.

Wrong.

>>15510763
>I didn't argue expecting to convince him or anyone, that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Is this: >>15510770

The idiot you were debating?

>>15510783
I think the guy I was replying to disappeared a while ago after some other people joined in and started disagreeing with him.

>>15510779
It's a mostly romantic feeling. If someone doesn't want to "sexualize" a character then that's fine.

>>15510783
>Wrong.
Ok, then what do you think the correct definition is?

>The idiot you were debating?
How am I an idiot?

>>15510794

Why would you debate something you cannot define? I mean what's your source for this definition anyway?

>>15510794
I guess. Those types I talk to insist that it's like in a daughterly manner. I always felt it was more of a feeling of wanting to protect something rather than it being romantic, like here.

>>15510810
So once again you either can't define it or you're worried your definition isn't correct. Did you just come here to shitpost and get attention?

>I mean what's your source for this definition anyway?
The specific phrasing "imaginary love" (or "imaginary romance" as I misremembered it) comes from Honda Touru.

http://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/articles/2009/Galbraith.html

>>15510818
>Those types I talk to insist that it's like in a daughterly manner. I always felt it was more of a feeling of wanting to protect something rather than it being romantic, like here.
That's moe too.

How is this argument productive for anyone? Go outside or read a book.

>>15510834
Yeah, but it's not necessarily romantic in that case then right? Unless you'd romance your daughter, but given the how defensive they act, I think it's more like an extremely overprotective father than a romantic love.

>>15510840
See >>15510831

>given the how defensive they act, I think it's more like an extremely overprotective father than a romantic love.
These people you're talking about don't have some kind of exclusive monopoly on the concept, and aren't even representative of most people.

>>15510831
>Galbraith

We're done here.

>>15510845
I'm not saying they do, but a general feeling of wanting to protect something, whether it's romantic or not, includes both types of people. I don't think they're a small minority anyway, the kind of sentiment in that picture I posted isn't all that uncommon.

>>15510851
What's wrong with Galbraith? And do you realize he is also quoting Japanese thinkers and not just stating his own opinions?

>>15510852
An asexual feeling of wanting to protect the character is just one possible manifestation of moe, and not the most common one.

>>15510855
>What's wrong with Galbraith? And do you realize he is also quoting Japanese thinkers and not just stating his own opinions?

He's quoting them to support his own opinion. Have you read any of the people he's quoting and their work?

Galbraith is a shill anyway. He doesn't have any honest opinions on Otaku culture.

>>15510855
Yeah, but saying it's an imaginary romance excludes that type of person. I'm not saying their feeling is the only kind of moe that exists, but it is one possibility that isn't a romantic one. Romantic love is too specific to be accurate, then.

>>15510855
>What's wrong with Galbraith?

You might as well quote Dannychoo. Choo and Galbraith are marketers you moron, they promote Otaku culture and are part of the market forces whoring it out.

>>15510855
Yeah, but saying it's an imaginary romance excludes that type of person. I'm not saying their feeling is the only kind of moe that exists, but it is one possibility that isn't a romantic one. Romantic love is too specific to be accurate, then.

I'm not saying the asexual feeling of wanting to protect is moe, I'm saying the general feeling of wanting to protect is what I think moe is. You can want to protect something in a romantic way, and you can want to protect something in a platonic way too.

>>15510864
>He's quoting them to support his own opinion.
He's an academic studying the subject.

>Have you read any of the people he's quoting and their work?
I own Japan's Database Animals and Beautiful Fighting Girl.

>Galbraith is a shill anyway. He doesn't have any honest opinions on Otaku culture.
Based on what?

And I see you still refuse to post any definition of your own or make any criticism of mine. How pathetic.

>>15510873
Galbraith is an academic with a PhD from the University of Tokyo.

>>15510875
See >>15510831, like I already told you to.

For some people moe is wanting a character to protect them, or there's no such feelings involved either way.

>>15510890
I don't think imaginary love is a very good term either. Because unlike an imaginary romance, you can love something even if it doesn't exist because it's your own feeling while you can't have a romance/relationship with something that's fictional.

In that case, it's just love. Which I guess isn't wrong.

Maybe I'm just nitpicking.

>>15510890
>He's an academic studying the subject.

Who cares?

He isn't a leading authority of the subject.

>I own Japan's Database Animals and Beautiful Fighting Girl.

So, why would you quote Galbraith? Please stop lying.

>Based on what?

Based on the fact that he isn't an Otaku. He's selling Otaku culture to an audience of naive morons.

>>15510890
>Galbraith is an academic with a PhD from the University of Tokyo.

In information studies.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2949755.Patrick_W_Galbraith

>>15510896
I said very clearly that I misremembered the word, and in any case nobody is talking about a literal romance.

>>15510906
He is, as far as I know, the leading academic on the subject in the English speaking world.

>So, why would you quote Galbraith? Please stop lying.
Uh... why wouldn't I quote him? What are you talking about?

>Based on the fact that he isn't an Otaku. He's selling Otaku culture to an audience of naive morons.
He's published books for general audiences on the topic, but that doesn't mean he's selling anything. And a book like Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan isn't meant for general audiences, it's meant for academics and academic-minded people. His papers are also not meant for general audiences, and I don't think spending years doing ethnographic studies in maid cafes and then writing a paper on them is very useful for "selling otaku culture." Nor is it a good idea to write a paper arguing that lolicon is not pedophilia.

Still waiting for you to post your own definition or criticize mine.

>>15510915
And?

>>15510921
I know you misremembered, I meant that imaginary love isn't a good term. You can't have imaginary love because it's an actual feeling you have. That's just called love. And yes, I guess you could just call moe the feeling of love.

>>15510915
>University of Tokyo
>information studies

Joke doctorate from a joke institution

>>15510929
It's imaginary in the sense that it's directed at a fictional character. If moe simply meant love then the word wouldn't be needed, or it could be applied to real people too.

>>15510938
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tokyo#Ranking

>>15510921
>He is, as far as I know, the leading academic on the subject in the English speaking world.

Who gives a shit?

>Uh... why wouldn't I quote him?

Because he's a joke you fucking retard. you tried to play him as being an expert because he has a PHD in a non-related field? You're full of shit.

>He's published books for general audiences on the topic, but that doesn't mean he's selling anything. And a book like Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan isn't meant for general audiences, it's meant for academics and academic-minded people. His papers are also not meant for general audiences, and I don't think spending years doing ethnographic studies in maid cafes and then writing a paper on them is very useful for "selling otaku culture." Nor is it a good idea to write a paper arguing that lolicon is not pedophilia.

Otaku culture doesn't have much documentation in the english speaking world. He does alot of promotion for Akihabara based companies like: Good Smile, Animate, K-Books, Kotobukiya, Sony, VOLKS, etc same as Choo.

>>15510949
>21st to 43rd in the world

Keitaro Urashima should have aimed higher.

>>15510921
>And?

You're not too bright are you? What does being an expert in a non-related field prove? I could understand if he was an expert in an Otaku studies, but he's not. So, why would his expertise matter here in this context?

>>15510943
But people can have similar feelings to existing people like idols, cosplayers or actresses.

What's the point in even making the distinction in any case? Whether the thing I love exists or not doesn't change my feeling of love, only whether it's plausible to have a relationship.

If you're defining it like this, it might as well be an meaningless word is how I feel.

>>15510958
>Who gives a shit?
People who are interested in studying otaku culture, i.e. not you.

>Because he's a joke you fucking retard. you tried to play him as being an expert because he has a PHD in a non-related field? You're full of shit.
Why is he a joke?

>Otaku culture doesn't have much documentation in the english speaking world.
It does and he has written most of it.

>He does alot of promotion for Akihabara based companies like: Good Smile, Animate, K-Books, Kotobukiya, Sony, VOLKS, etc same as Choo.
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I don't care and I don't see what it has to do with his work.

It's funny how you've now made this about the credentials of Patrick W. Galbraith. You absolutely refuse to state your own definition of moe, you absolutely refuse to explain what is wrong with mine, you ignore anything Japanese writers have said on the matter, and you question if I've read Japanese writers while not indicating that you've read any yourself. You've decided that Galbraith is somehow not legit, and by attacking him you will... uh... well, what? What the fuck are you trying to accomplish here, exactly?

>>15510966
It has many different rankings, and even 21 is very good.

>>15510969
I wasn't aware that otaku studies is an academic discipline.

He is an academic with a PhD from the University of Tokyo and is working on or already completed a PhD or something else at Duke University. He has published and contributed to several books on the topic and has published many papers on the topic.

>>15510974
Moe applies to 2D and maybe--depending on who you ask--cosplayers (the character they're playing).

>>15510991
People often do demonstrate the same kind of hopeless infatuation with idols, cosplayers (the actual cosplayer, not her character) and JAV actresses though. You only need to look around in /jp/ to see it too.

>>15510999
Again, moe is about 2D.

>>15511005
I don't agree with because it's a similar audience displaying a similar possessiveness or affection towards 3D; I remember in a JAV thread here someone being upset over the possibility that the specific JAV actress he liked in particular not being satisfied sexually/treated right by the male actors and expressing a sort of jealousy over it. That's really not all that different from people who like 2D.

But I guess whether moe is exclusively 2D or includes 3D is not really something that can be proven or disproven.

>>15510991
>People who are interested in studying otaku culture, i.e. not you.

Why would people interested in Otaku culture rely on a non expert gaijin?

>It does and he has written most of it.

Yet, he's not an expert on it. What expertise does he have that gives him authority to write about the subject. He's not even an otaku, it's like a white kid from the suburbs writing about inner city urban culture from a country he's never been too.

>Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I don't care and I don't see what it has to do with his work.

By being an advertiser he benefits from presenting a sub-culture a certain way. That cast doubts on his "work".

>It's funny how you've now made this about the credentials of Patrick W. Galbraith. You absolutely refuse to state your own definition of moe, you absolutely refuse to explain what is wrong with mine, you ignore anything Japanese writers have said on the matter, and you question if I've read Japanese writers while not indicating that you've read any yourself. You've decided that Galbraith is somehow not legit, and by attacking him you will... uh... well, what? What the fuck are you trying to accomplish here, exactly?


Of course, I'm not gonna say anything. I don't have to explain myself because I know you're not knowledgeable about what you're talking about. For example:

>I wasn't aware that otaku studies is an academic discipline.


It is, Okada lectured in Tokyo U in the 90's. You don't know shit.

Stop doubling down on moe. Just create a new, definable term and fucking use that as your premise. Otherwise this is pretentious bullshit to massage all of your egos into thinking you're not alone in meat husks, arguing at other meat husks about shit that people use to kill time until their brain functions cease and no longer require distraction from this fucking deprivation tank we call consciousness.

>>15510991
>He is an academic with a PhD from the University of Tokyo and is working on or already completed a PhD or something else at Duke University. He has published and contributed to several books on the topic and has published many papers on the topic.

Academic in what field? Being an academic in one discipline doesn't make you an expert in another.

>I wasn't aware that otaku studies is an academic discipline.

Of course you wouldn't be:

https://books.google.com/books?id=U7hthImoc5AC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=otakuology+tokyo+university&source=bl&ots=HYyiweagdZ&sig=dp_AtjK3eQshMLHvdv0B7LFq4EU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiY-_Db8-XNAhXFQD4KHUybC8oQ6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=otakuology%20tokyo%20university&f=false

What's funny is it's from the same faggot you've been defending (Galbraith) books.

>>15511022
>it's a similar audience displaying a similar possessiveness or affection towards 3D
Which doesn't mean anything at all. Moe still means love towards fictional characters, not real people.

>>15511027
>Why would people interested in Otaku culture rely on a non expert gaijin?
He is an expert, and not everyone can read Japanese.

>Yet, he's not an expert on it.
This coming from someone who doesn't know or care anything at all about the subject.

>What expertise does he have that gives him authority to write about the subject.
The expertise he has accumulated by studying the subject.

>He's not even an otaku
Based on what?

>By being an advertiser he benefits from presenting a sub-culture a certain way.
What's the benefit of writing a paper defending lolicon? What's the benefit of writing papers on fujoshi? What's the benefit of contributing work to the Routledge Handbook of Sexuality Studies in East Asia (whatever that is)?

I've never even heard of him advertising anything.

>I don't have to explain myself because I know you're not knowledgeable about what you're talking about.
You've not demonstrated any knowledge of or even any interest in the subject.

>It is, Okada lectured in Tokyo U in the 90's. You don't know shit.
That doesn't mean it's an academic discipline, and I know he lectured about it because I've read excerpts from his works.

>>15511038
An academic in the field of otaku studies. That's his area of expertise.

>Of course you wouldn't be:
See above.

>What's funny is it's from the same faggot you've been defending (Galbraith) books.
I own that book. Galbraith wasn't involved in it. I don't think he was even publishing when it came out.

And what exactly is your purpose in this thread anyway?

>>15511063
>He is an expert, and not everyone can read Japanese.

In information studies, he's not an expert in Otaku studies and if you can't read Japanese or at the least quote Japanese sources why would you debate as if you're an authoritative source?

>This coming from someone who doesn't know or care anything at all about the subject.

At this point you're broken and just repeating yourself. You yourself are an EOP and you had no idea about Otakuology until I mentioned it.

>Based on what?

What has he demonstrated to show he's an otaku? Can you even define Otaku or spell it in Japanese?

>What's the benefit of writing a paper defending lolicon? What's the benefit of writing papers on fujoshi? What's the benefit of contributing work to the Routledge Handbook of Sexuality Studies in East Asia (whatever that is)?



You're stupid, Japan has caught alot of heat for those topics. It benefits people who are trying to market them to foreigners. It's why lolis are all over 18 now when presented sexually in translated works. It's called apologetics.


>That doesn't mean it's an academic discipline, and I know he lectured about it because I've read excerpts from his works.

How is it not an academic discipline if it has a course in Tokyo University? Are you stupid?

>>15511031
>Which doesn't mean anything at all. Moe still means love towards fictional characters, not real people.
You say it doesn't mean anything at all, but I don't agree with you. Moe is a feeling, and the feeling in question is the same. It's the same people expressing the same feeling of hopeless, possessive affection at 3D. If the feeling, which is what moe is, is unchanged, then it should also be called moe.

Regardless of who endorses the definition you're using, I consider that a real flaw in that definition. If you don't, then I suppose there's nothing really to discuss and I'll leave it at that.

>>15511063
>An academic in the field of otaku studies. That's his area of expertise.

You mean the field you said isn't an academic discipline?

You're all stupid.

>>15511088
Otaku culture is precisely his area of expertise and what he has mostly written about.

>if you can't read Japanese or at the least quote Japanese sources why would you debate as if you're an authoritative source?
You have refused to state what you think moe means. You have refused to explain why you think my definition is not correct. You have not indicated that you yourself have any knowledge of or interest in the matter. You keep attacking me and chasing this Galbraith red herring but you have absolutely nothing relevant whatsoever to contribute to the thread.

>You yourself are an EOP and you had no idea about Otakuology until I mentioned it.
Yes, clearly because I hadn't mentioned it must mean I had no idea about it.

Hey, did you know 1 + 1 = 2? Since you haven't mentioned it, it must mean you didn't know that.

>What has he demonstrated to show he's an otaku?
He's written The Moe Manifesto, The Otaku Encyclopedia, and Otaku Spaces, and edited and contributed to Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan. He has written numerous papers on otaku culture (moe/sexuality, lolicon, fujoshi, maid cafes).

>Can you even define Otaku or spell it in Japanese?
What the hell are you talking about?

>You're stupid, Japan has caught alot of heat for those topics. It benefits people who are trying to market them to foreigners.
Normal people don't read academic papers on otaku culture and those papers aren't directed at them. Even very few anime fans read this stuff or know it exists. Normal people, and even most anime fans, despise lolicon.

>It's why lolis are all over 18 now when presented sexually in translated works. It's called apologetics.
So Galbraith writes a paper defending lolicon (that nobody reads), and his nefarious collaborators in the American publishing industry (somehow) take advantage of it by claiming all loli characters are 18 years old? What the fuck are you saying?

>How is it not an academic discipline if it has a course in Tokyo University? Are you stupid?
I mean it's not an academic discipline in the sense that you can get a PhD in otakuology. As far as I know that isn't a thing. And IIRC Okada only did it for a few years.

>>15511091
>Moe is a feeling, and the feeling in question is the same.
The target of the feeling is not.

Moe applies to 2D, not 3D.

>>15511093
That doesn't mean otaku studies aren't his area of expertise.

>>15511127
>Otaku culture is precisely his area of expertise and what he has mostly written about.

What piece of documentation do you have to support that he's an expert about the field? Because he's written about it are you saying writing about something makes you an expert about it? Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?

>Yes, clearly because I hadn't mentioned it must mean I had no idea about it.

You said it wasn't an academic field. You retard.

>Hey, did you know 1 + 1 = 2? Since you haven't mentioned it, it must mean you didn't know that.

You mentioned it wasn't an academic field, S, that's a BS comparison. You flat out stated 1+1=/= 2

>He's written The Moe Manifesto, The Otaku Encyclopedia, and Otaku Spaces, and edited and contributed to Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan. He has written numerous papers on otaku culture (moe/sexuality, lolicon, fujoshi, maid cafes).


So, in your opinion him writing books about a topic makes him an expert about the topic? Good God, you're fucking dumb.

>What the hell are you talking about?

Can you write or Spell the word Otaku in Japanese? It's a simple question.

>Normal people don't read academic papers on otaku culture and those papers aren't directed at them. Even very few anime fans read this stuff or know it exists. Normal people, and even most anime fans, despise lolicon.

Which is why when you market Otaku culture to normalfags you sanitize it for consumption. Otaku like lolicon that's a given, the fact that Patrick is rationalizing lolicon is proof he isn't speaking to Otaku.

>So Galbraith writes a paper defending lolicon (that nobody reads), and his nefarious collaborators in the American publishing industry (somehow) take advantage of it by claiming all loli characters are 18 years old? What the fuck are you saying?

Publishing companies do read papers you autistic POS. They read it so that their fact checkers can corroborate the stories they are covering. Otaku culture when it's covered in foreign media gets heat for lolicon. His writings are there for relevant people who give a shit about stuff like this I.E. people with media interest that shape public opinion.

>I mean it's not an academic discipline in the sense that you can get a PhD in otakuology.

Bullshit, you never heard of it Now you're backpedaling claiming you can't get a PHD in it? What a faggot.

>>15511127
>That doesn't mean otaku studies aren't his area of expertise.

You said it wasn't an academic discipline. How could it be his area of expertise if it doesn't exist according to you?

>>15511127
>As far as I know that isn't a thing. And IIRC Okada only did it for a few years.

First it doesn't exist then you know Okada did it for a few years? Why are you such a lying faggot?

>>15511127
>The target of the feeling is not.

>Moe applies to 2D, not 3D.
There's way too much overlap between things like idol and anime for me to believe the target of the affection is something relevant, but eh.

I'll say that I doubt most people consider their obsession with an idol to be very different from someone else's obsession with a 2D girl. Well, at least, I consider those kinds of affection indistinguishable from each other for myself.

Plus, you get into weird areas where you technically can't feel moe towards android girls when they're invented because they technically exist when I'm pretty sure most people would feel otherwise.

>>15511150
>What piece of documentation do you have to support that he's an expert about the field?
The documents that he has published, by which he can be judged to be an expert in his field.

>Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?
No, do YOU have any idea how dumb YOU sound? Evidently not.

>You said it wasn't an academic field. You retard.
I said that as far as I know it isn't an academic discipline i.e. not like philosophy or physics.

>So, in your opinion him writing books about a topic makes him an expert about the topic?
You've offered no reason why he wouldn't be an expert, other than your claim he isn't. Which I guess doesn't require any sort of validation--you just claim something and it surely must be true.

>Can you write or Spell the word Otaku in Japanese? It's a simple question.
You mean you don't? That's unfortunate. Maybe if you actually had an interest in the subject you would know how.

You keep asking me all these weird questions while explaining nothing yourself. Fuck you.

>Which is why when you market Otaku culture to normalfags you sanitize it for consumption.
And?

>Otaku like lolicon that's a given, the fact that Patrick is rationalizing lolicon is proof he isn't speaking to Otaku.
He wasn't writing a post for /jp/ (not that there's any otaku here anyway if this thread is any indication). It's an academic paper examining the nature of lolicon.

>Publishing companies do read papers you autistic POS. They read it so that their fact checkers can corroborate the stories they are covering. Otaku culture when it's covered in foreign media gets heat for lolicon. His writings are there for relevant people who give a shit about stuff like this I.E. people with media interest that shape public opinion.
Are you absolutely batshit fucking insane?

>Bullshit, you never heard of it Now you're backpedaling claiming you can't get a PHD in it? What a faggot.
I never claimed in the first place that you can get a PhD in otakuology. What the hell are you talking about?

And why the fuck are you calling me a faggot when you refuse to define moe and refuse to explain why my definition is supposedly wrong?

>>15511153
It's not an academic discipline in the same sense that philosophy or physics is. That doesn't mean you can't study otaku culture.

>>15511164
I never said his otakuology courses didn't exist.

>Why are you such a lying faggot?
Why are you?

>>15511165
Moe is for 2D. If you don't like it then just fuck off already.

>>15511190
Citing a supposed authority figure on a vague and ill-defined concept like moe doesn't make whatever definition you're using absolute. If you don't like that then you can fuck off yourself.

>>15511201
It's substantially better than making shit up as you go without any pre-existing knowledge of the subject.

>>15511190
>The documents that he has published, by which he can be judged to be an expert in his field.

Based on what or compared to who's work?

>No, do YOU have any idea how dumb YOU sound? Evidently not.

According to you writing about a topic = being an expert. You're a fucking retard.

>I said that as far as I know it isn't an academic discipline i.e. not like philosophy or physics.

It's taught in a university i.e. an academic institution and is lectured by a long time expert in it. What else criteria would it need to have?

>You've offered no reason why he wouldn't be an expert, other than your claim he isn't. Which I guess doesn't require any sort of validation--you just claim something and it surely must be true.

Burden of proof is on the person affirming the positive claim. It's not on me to prove he's not an expert it's on you to prove that he is. Writing books =/= to being an expert.

>You mean you don't? That's unfortunate. Maybe if you actually had an interest in the subject you would know how. You keep asking me all these weird questions while explaining nothing yourself. Fuck you

In other-words you can't. Concession accepted.

>And?

And, he's sanitizing it fr normies like you to get on the Otacool bandwagon.

>He wasn't writing a post for /jp/ (not that there's any otaku here anyway if this thread is any indication). It's an academic paper examining the nature of lolicon.

Who cares.

He promotes otaku culture. So, why would he not want to address it's most controversial aspects? If I wrote a paper defending steroid usage in Baseball and happen to be affiliated with the MLB and promote baseball. Are you telling me by the nature of my job I don't have an interest? Also, are you suggesting you're an Otaku?


>Are you absolutely batshit fucking insane?

So, no answer. Concession Accepted.

>I never claimed in the first place that you can get a PhD in otakuology. What the hell are you talking about? And why the fuck are you calling me a faggot when you refuse to define moe and refuse to explain why my definition is supposedly wrong?

You claimed it wasn't an academic field whilst claiming Patrick is an expert in it.

>>15511190
>I never said his otakuology courses didn't exist.

Semantics, you claimed it wasn't an academic course and you never hear of it.

>>>15511190
>Why are you?

I'm not the one pretending that a known shill is the final authority on a subject.

>>15511208
But I'm not making shit up as I go, idol otaku and anime otaku have huge overlap. They behave similarly, which you even accept. The feeling is basically the same thing, which you also accept. So the problem is just the target? The real possibility of robot lovers being invented messes with that anyway because you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who wants a cute robot girl not to consider her moe.

Why does the target even matter to begin with? Because that one supposed authority figure said so? That kind of distinction is mostly irrelevant to the majority of idol and anime otaku when they hold both the 2D and 3D obsessions to similar standards and expect them to fulfill the same kind of desires. It's an irrelevant distinction and doesn't change anything, and it may as well not exist then.

>>15511190
>It's not an academic discipline in the same sense that philosophy or physics is. That doesn't mean you can't study otaku culture.

It's a curriculum at a university. How is it not an academic discipline?

>>15511221
>Based on what or compared to who's work?
You don't know anything about his work or the topic at large. You are not in any position to make these demands.

>According to you writing about a topic = being an expert.
I never said that.

>You're a fucking retard.
No, you are.

>It's taught in a university i.e. an academic institution and is lectured by a long time expert in it.
But it's not an academic discipline in the sense that I am talking about.

>Burden of proof is on the person affirming the positive claim.
The burden of proof is on you.

>In other-words you can't. Concession accepted.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

This coming from the fucking retard who has consistently refused to explain what moe means and has consistently refused to explain what's wrong with the definition I proposed and has consistently refused to explain anything in general. FUCK YOU.

>And, he's sanitizing it fr normies like you to get on the Otacool bandwagon.
I am not a normie, you are a normie. And it's a fucking academic paper.

>Who cares.
So you outright concede that you don't even care about the topic.

>He promotes otaku culture.
He's an academic writing about otaku culture.

>Also, are you suggesting you're an Otaku?
Yes, and you're not.

>So, no answer. Concession Accepted.
Again: fuck you.

>You claimed it wasn't an academic field whilst claiming Patrick is an expert in it.
I said it's not an academic discipline, shit-for-brains.

>Semantics, you claimed it wasn't an academic course and you never hear of it.
I never claimed either of those things. Fuck you.

>I'm not the one pretending that a known shill is the final authority on a subject.
No, you're just the one who refuses to say anything at all about the subject and just keeps attacking and questioning others.

>>15511226
Fuck off.

>>15511227
I just fucking told you how it isn't.

>>15511256
You sound kind of upset anon. There's no reason to be so upset at me for disagreeing with your opinion about the definition of moe, that's not very healthy.

I really think you need to close this thread and do something productive if you're going to get riled up so easily.

>>15511256
>You don't know anything about his work or the topic at large. You are not in any position to make these demands.

Another concession, in other-words you have no proof he's an expert nice.

>I never said that.

Yes, you did. You said "He's written alot of books and shit on the subject" So, according to you that makes him an expert.

>No, you are.

Sure showed me fag. Seriously, kill yourself or at lease dip your balls in Clorox. The world doesn't need anymore paint sniffers like you.

>But it's not an academic discipline in the sense that I am talking about.

It's not an academic discipline in the sense of being an academic discipline...Wut?

>This coming from the fucking retard who has consistently refused to explain what moe means and has consistently refused to explain what's wrong with the definition I proposed and has consistently refused to explain anything in general. FUCK YOU.

Why are you typing in caps? Are you emoting? lol

>I am not a normie, you are a normie. And it's a fucking academic paper.

I'm sorry, you're a weeaboo.

>So you outright concede that you don't even care about the topic.

Nope, I concede that you're a bigger faggot than I thought though.

>He's an academic writing about otaku culture.

He's an academic in a non-related field. But, according to you his PhD in information studies means he can write about whatever he wants even if it's unrelated to his discipline.

>Yes

Oh shit, this is too funny. Another deluded weeaboo.

>Again: fuck you.

So edgy.

>I said it's not an academic discipline, shit-for-brains.

That's what I said paint sniffer.

>I never claimed either of those things. Fuck you.

You just said it above. You: >"I said it's not an academic discipline, shit-for-brains."

>No, you're just the one who refuses to say anything at all about the subject and just keeps attacking and questioning others.

Because you're a fucking idiot, you waste of life. Seriously, please please off yourself. Holy shit you're pretentious and autistic. Now, you think you're an otaku? hahahahaahahahahaahah

>>15511256
>Yes, and you're not.

Neither are you, nobody in this thread is an Otaku. At best you're an anime fan at worst a weeb.

Holy shit at this Anon telling everyone to fuck off. He's so god damn mad it's hilarious. He can't actually argue his points and he's just saying fuck left and right, it's pathetic.

>>15511256

You gave a retarded explanation on how it's not like philosophy just because.

>>15511256
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
>FUCK YOU.
Someone's needs to get off the computer.

>>15511256
>Fuck you.
>Fuck You
>Fuck You
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

My name is Dontay, but you can call me Dontay the demon slayer. Has a nice ring to it donctha think?

>>15511282
>Another concession, in other-words you have no proof he's an expert nice.
Again: fuck you. You refuse to state any views of your own or explain anything.

You haven't criticized any of his work and explained what's wrong with it, and most likely have never a word he's written. You have no authority and no credentials. What the fuck gives you the right to dismiss everything he's ever written and demand people to justify his expertise to you? Fuck you.

>Yes, you did.
No, I didn't.

>Sure showed me fag. Seriously, kill yourself or at lease dip your balls in Clorox. The world doesn't need anymore paint sniffers like you.
Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

>It's not an academic discipline in the sense of being an academic discipline...Wut?
I just told you, you fucking moron: it's not an academic discipline in the sense that I'm talking about.

>Why are you typing in caps? Are you emoting? lol
Why are you being evasive? lol

>I'm sorry, you're a weeaboo.
I'm not. You don't even know what that means.

>Nope, I concede that you're a bigger faggot than I thought though.
Go fuck yourself.

>He's an academic in a non-related field. B
Otaku culture is his field of expertise you fucking idiot.

>Oh shit, this is too funny. Another deluded weeaboo.
Fuck you you fucking poser.

>So edgy.
Go look in a mirror.

>That's what I said paint sniffer.
If you agree with me then what the fuck are you arguing about?

>You just said it above. You: >"I said it's not an academic discipline, shit-for-brains."
What about it?

>Because you're a fucking idiot, you waste of life. Seriously, please please off yourself. Holy shit you're pretentious and autistic. Now, you think you're an otaku? hahahahaahahahahaahah
I am an otaku while you are just a fucking poser who wouldn't recognize an otaku even if one shit in your mouth.

>>15511289
Fuck you.

>>15511290
You are a fucking liar.

>>15511291
There's nothing retarded about it. You're retarded for not understanding it.

>>15511300
Yes, that would be you.

>>15511315
The fuck are you babbling about?

>>15436534
I don't know what's happening in this thread anymore.

I wonder how OP feels.

>>15511406
>Yes, that would be you.
I don't know anon, it seems like everyone thinks you're the upset one. You did type in caps after all. I've been discussing it reasonably with the exception of one post where you told me to fuck off, so I turned it back to you, but that was just a retort.

Sometimes people don't want to admit they're upset because they think it's kind of shameful, and I get that. But it's better to admit it now to yourself at least and calm down, don't you think? After all, I don't think telling fuck you to a bunch of people and typing out laughter in caps is really how a calm person would respond. If you're frustrated, you should do something you enjoy! I think that's better than yelling at people on an anonymous imageboard for having different opinions about things; stress just shortens your lifespan, you know?

/jp/ used to be so fun back in 2007
what happened?

>>15511437
>I don't know anon, it seems like everyone thinks you're the upset one.
You are a fucking liar..

>>15511406
>Again: fuck you. You refuse to state any views of your own or explain anything.

My view is that you don't know what it is you're discussing. You keep proving me right.

>You haven't criticized any of his work and explained what's wrong with it, and most likely have never a word he's written. You have no authority and no credentials. What the fuck gives you the right to dismiss everything he's ever written and demand people to justify his expertise to you? Fuck you.

You used him quoting someone else and said that it was a valid statement because "He's an academic" Where's your argument there?

>Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

Maybe if I fucked that cumdump you call a mother you would have better genes.

>I just told you, you fucking moron: it's not an academic discipline in the sense that I'm talking about.

Right, it's not a discipline in the sense of being a discipline. Makes sense.

>Why are you being evasive? lol

Evasive about what. You said he's an academic because he writes alot of books. You're wrong of course, but you said it.

>I'm not. You don't even know what that means.

You are a weeaboo. There are no Otaku on this board or in the West.

>Otaku culture is his field of expertise you fucking idiot.

He has a degree in something not related to it. So, how is he an expert? Oh, because he writes alot of books? lol

>Fuck you you fucking poser.

It's spelled Poseur you poseur.

>Go look in a mirror.

So witty.

>If you agree with me then what the fuck are you arguing about?

You can't follow a simple conversation. You said initially in that quote: "I said it's not an academic discipline, shit-for-brains."

I quoted that, I didn't agree with you I reposted what you said you complete moron.

>What about it?

Now you're arguing it is an academic discipline.

>I am an otaku

LMFAO You're so deluded.

>>15511406
>I am an otaku while you are just a fucking poser
>I am an otaku while you are just a fucking poser
>I am an otaku while you are just a fucking poser
>I am an otaku while you are just a fucking poser

>>15511438
the real otakus came along

>>15511406
>You are a fucking liar.

What a brilliant retort. Did you come up with it on your own?

>>15511406
>Fuck you you fucking poser.

Why call people a word you can't even spell?

>>15441328

>you grew up

I am still a virginal manchild

>>15511406
>I am an otaku

Good one.

>>15511443
>You are a fucking liar.
Anon, I know I told someone else not to use this word yesterday, but I really think you're projecting. You're angry, so you think I'm angry. But I'm really not, I genuinely think you're just caught up in anger at those other posters trying to discredit the person you were citing.

I don't hold it against you, because I think you're just lashing out at me after getting angry from them, since I don't really think I said anything that would upset someone so much. I thought we were having a perfectly fine discussion about what moe is, and then suddenly you told me fuck off. I thought it was just banter, so I went and threw it right back.

But then you started typing in caps and yelling fuck you at everyone in the thread! That's when I knew you were really upset. You should really stop anon, it's just opinions about small stuff like hobbies. I mean, does it even matter who was right in the end? There's no reason to get so worked up about it.

>>15511444
>My view is that you don't know what it is you're discussing.
A view that you have done absolutely nothing to substantiate in any shape or form, because you either have no idea what you're talking about or are (rightfully) afraid that you couldn't defend your opinions.

>You used him quoting someone else and said that it was a valid statement because "He's an academic" Where's your argument there?
You haven't criticized any of his work and explained what's wrong with it, and most likely have never a word he's written. You have no authority and no credentials. What the fuck gives you the right to dismiss everything he's ever written and demand people to justify his expertise to you? Fuck you.

>Maybe if I fucked that cumdump you call a mother you would have better genes.
Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

>Right, it's not a discipline in the sense of being a discipline. Makes sense.
I just told you, you fucking moron: it's not an academic discipline in the sense that I'm talking about.

>Evasive about what.
About the fact that you won't fucking explain anything.

>You are a weeaboo. There are no Otaku on this board or in the West.
Thanks for demonstrating you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Being Japanese isn't a requirement for being an otaku. You also have no idea what weeaboo means.

>He has a degree in something not related to it.
Because there is no degree in otaku studies.

>It's spelled Poseur you poseur.
Oh, so NOW you suddenly have something to say about something?

>So witty.
Go fuck yourself.

>I reposted what you said you complete moron.
For what purpose, you fucking moron?

>Now you're arguing it is an academic discipline.
I'm not.

>LMFAO You're so deluded.
No, you are.

>>15511446
Go fuck yourself.

>>15511456
Fuck you.

>>15511462
I am one. You are not. Fuck you.

Evidently I am the ONLY otaku on the board.

>>15511463
>I really think you're projecting.
I really think you're a fucking liar, because you are one.

>>15511473
>I really think you're a fucking liar, because you are one.
I don't know about that one anon. I don't think there's much point to lying on an anonymous message board, you know? I've been completely honest about my thoughts with you so far, so why would I stop now?

Let's put ourselves in someone else's shoes. If you were me, and having a nice discussion with someone, and then they started yelling and cursing, you'd think they were angry right? That's why I think you need to take a break anon. Even if people here don't agree with you, I'm sure you have friends that do right? You should talk to them! You can even complain about us if you want, venting to someone else is a great way to get those bad feelings off your chest.

>>15511487
Go fuck yourself you dishonest, condescending piece of shit.

>>15511473
>A view that you have done absolutely nothing to substantiate in any shape or form, because you either have no idea what you're talking about or are (rightfully) afraid that you couldn't defend your opinions.

Don't have to since you've done a much better job of making a fool of yourself then I could dream of which was my goal.

>You haven't criticized any of his work and explained what's wrong with it, and most likely have never a word he's written. You have no authority and no credentials. What the fuck gives you the right to dismiss everything he's ever written and demand people to justify his expertise to you? Fuck you.

Of course I demand it, what has Galbraith written that is accurate outside of quoting other more credible people? Even the definition of Moe you used was quoted from another source, why do you need Galbraith to post that source if it's from an author you've read from?

>Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

I rather fuck your mom.

>I just told you, you fucking moron: it's not an academic discipline in the sense that I'm talking about.

In the sense that it's an academic discipline taught in a university. lol

>About the fact that you won't fucking explain anything.

I don't explain myself to people beneath me.

>Being Japanese isn't a requirement for being an otaku.

What a deluded retard, you really are a connoisseur of that Otacool faggot known as Galbraith. Why else would you defend is bullshit and the belief that you're an Otaku too. Sorry, but if you don't participate in the sub-culture as it is in Japan let alone speak Japanese you're not an Ota. I don't care what your retarded friends at /a/ told you.

>Because there is no degree in otaku studies.

Just like Otaku studies didn't exist, right?

>Oh, so NOW you suddenly have something to say about something?

U mad fag lol?

>Go fuck yourself.

I rather fuck your mom.

>I'm not.

Well, that's what you said before you said it wasn't.

>No you

Brilliant retort. Did your mom help you with that one after I fucked her of course?

>>15511491
I don't know why you would call me dishonest, anon.

Wouldn't it be dishonest if I said I thought you weren't angry? I'm not sure what you're getting at here anon, you're starting to make a lot less sense.

I guess I could be seen as a little condescending, and I'm sorry if I am, I'm just trying to help.

>>15511473
>Evidently I am the ONLY otaku on the board.

You're an EOP that relies on Galbraith for sources. you're the furthest thing from an Otaku.

>>15511473
>Evidently I am the ONLY otaku on the board.
then go back to /a/ or whatever shithole you crawled out of with your real otakus

>>15511473
>Go fuck yourself.
>Fuck you.

Damn, it really is Summer.

>>15511473

Look at the angry weeb who's vagina is bleeding.

This is exactly what's happening in this thread right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvP4dT9-xQ

>>15511516

www 上出来だ!!

Oh shit, this Anon is literally breaking down in front of our eyes. All of these "FUCK YOU, GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU FUCKING LIARS. I AM THE REAL OTAKU. YOU ARE ALL FAKES". Seriously. Take a long good damn look at yourself, don't you see how sad and pathetic you are? Reevaluate your priorities man. Go to bed, or get off the computer and get a drink. You go no where else to go and say because all you spout is "FUCK YOU". Just calm down dude and watch a happy show with moe girls like GochiUsa or KinMoza.

>>15511503
>Don't have to since you've done a much better job of making a fool of yourself then I could dream of which was my goal.
Go fuck yourself you fucking retard.

>what has Galbraith written that is accurate outside of quoting other more credible people
You haven't criticized any of his work and explained what's wrong with it, and most likely have never a word he's written. You have no authority and no credentials. What the fuck gives you the right to dismiss everything he's ever written and demand people to justify his expertise to you? Fuck you.

>Even the definition of Moe you used was quoted from another source, why do you need Galbraith to post that source if it's from an author you've read from?
But I never said I've read any of Honda Touru's works you colossal fucking idiot.

>I rather fuck your mom.
Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

>In the sense that it's an academic discipline taught in a university. lol
I just told you, you fucking moron: it's not an academic discipline in the sense that I'm talking about.

>I don't explain myself to people beneath me.
YOU are beneath ME, you fucking subhuman.

>What a deluded retard
No, you are. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. You're just a fucking poser trying to act big.

>Just like Otaku studies didn't exist, right?
Where did I say that? Nowhere.

>U mad fag lol?
Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.

>I rather fuck your mom.
Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

>Well, that's what you said before you said it wasn't.
I never said it's an academic discipline.

>Brilliant retort. Did your mom help you with that one after I fucked her of course?
Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

>>15511505
>I don't know why you would call me dishonest, anon.
How about the fucking fact that I don't see you saying shit to the other guy? You pretend like I'm just being mad by myself here and for no reason. You fucking piece of shit.

>>15511506
I'm an otaku, you're not, and I own books on the topic other than his. You fucking idiot.

>>15511512
So you admit that /jp/ is not the otaku board.

>>15511516
I'm not a weeb or a woman. Go fuck yourself.

>>15511530
You are a fucking dishonest piece of shit.

>>15511473

Konnichiwa, senpai
Please notice me
I watch Asian cartoons
I'm a weeaboo

I live in my mom's house
I'm like 32
I collect swords and throwing stars
'Cause I'm a weeaboo
Sticks and stones may break my bones
But I will always be one step ahead of you
Because I read the manga
(You're such a fucking pleb, are you even even Japanese bro?)

I haven't showered in like 16 weeks
All my friends and peers are ashamed of me
'Cause all of a sudden
I think I'm Japanese

[Chorus]
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
A filthy weeaboo
(Naruto's so overrated)
A dirty weeaboo
(You wanna see my katana collection?)
A fucking weeaboo
(I'm learning Japanese on Rosetta Stone)
A disgusting weeaboo
(So I'm like basically Japanese now)

[Verse 2]
I live at my computer desk
And argue with teenagers on the internet
About atheism
And how Japan is superior to other countries
I learned a bit of Japanese
So now i'm qualified to be a part of their community
So i made my avatar a kawaii waifu

[Chorus]
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
(Uh duh, everybody wears kimonos)
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
(Ninjas are still real, okay?)
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
(Uh, k-konnichiwa)
Yes, I'm a weeaboo
(Yeah, domo arigato)
A filthy weeaboo
(...)
A dirty weeaboo
A fucking weeaboo
A disgusting weeaboo

>>15511535
>How about the fucking fact that I don't see you saying shit to the other guy? You pretend like I'm just being mad by myself here and for no reason. You fucking piece of shit.
Anon, I did acknowledge the other guy. I said they were trying to discredit you and your source didn't I? People do that kind of stuff on anonymous image boards, since there's no credibility people can be as big of a jerk as they want.

That's why I try to be civil, and have a civil discussion without calling people retards and stuff. But he got a rise out of you by doing that, and you started typing in caps and stuff, so most people would think you're the angry one.

I mean, I said earlier I don't really hold it against you for telling me to fuck off remember? I figured you were just having that anger spill over into our conversation. But that's not healthy, you should really take a break! I don't know if I would phrase it as harshly as that other anon, but I think watching something nice and happy would be a pretty good decision right now.

>>15511544
Are you mad because you're just a fucking wannabe? What a joke that the "otaku culture" board of 4chan is full of people who are the furthest thing possible from otaku.

>>15511549
Go fuck yourself.

Just look at yourself dude. And don't tell me you're not mad.

What kind of calm and stable person spouts out this amount of "fuck" at people? Admit, you're mad.

I don't even wanna argue at you, I just kinda hope you calm down and relax before you keep embarassing yourself.

>>15511554
I'm just trying to be nice anon. It doesn't even sound like you want to be here anymore, wouldn't it be better to talk to your friends - Venting and stuff, you know? You don't have to deal with these guys calling you retards or pathetic or making fun of your powerlevel or whatever.

>>15511563
Go fuck yourself.

>>15511565
Go fuck yourself.

>>15511535
>But I never said I've read any of Honda Touru's works you colossal fucking idiot.

You say that as if it's a good thing, it only makes you look less knowledgeable.

>Go fuck yourself you fucking retard.

After I'm done with your mom sweety. <3

>You haven't criticized any of his work and explained what's wrong with it, and most likely have never a word he's written. You have no authority and no credentials. What the fuck gives you the right to dismiss everything he's ever written and demand people to justify his expertise to you? Fuck you.

Apparently his works consist of quoting other people who's works you haven't even read. You just said you haven't read Tohru Honda, but Galbraith quotes him. But, him quoting him is somehow more authoritative to you than the actual source material which Galbraith is quoting from?

>Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

You're mother is a whore.

>YOU are beneath ME, you fucking subhuman.

Doesn't look like it, you're the one getting triggered and holding up a marketer as an authority on a subject in a language you can't speak.

>No, you are. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. You're just a fucking poser trying to act big.

Well, your mom says I'm actually Big and not acting. Maybe your dad should act bigger then he could actually dish out a descent fuck sometimes. Also, it's poseur you poseur.

>Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.

Your vaginal blood is all over the keyboard.

>Where did I say that? Nowhere.

You said that above. You said Otaku studies is not a real academic field. It is, it's taught as a curriculum in a real university. How is it not a real academic field?

>I never said it's an academic discipline.

That's what I was telling you paint sniffer. Stop drinking sewer water and learn to read.

>>15511571
Anon, if you're just going to say the same thing over and over three times in a row, I think it's better just to get off the computer...

>>15511535
>I'm not a weeb or a woman. Go fuck yourself.

You act like both, you throw emotional hissy fits and act like a giant faggot.

>>15511571
Dude, just look at yourself.

>>15511535
>I'm an otaku, you're not, and I own books on the topic other than his. You fucking idiot.

You haven't quoted anything but a shitty essay written by Galbraith that all the other retards on /a/ use.

>I'am an Otaku

And, I'm Barrack Obama. Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You're also easily provoked and are most likely underaged.

>>15511571

My name is Dontay, but you can call me Dontay the demon slayer. Has a nice ring to it donctha think?

>>15511572
>You say that as if it's a good thing, it only makes you look less knowledgeable.
Meanwhile you haven't read jack shit and don't know anything about the topic. You fucking hypocrite fuck.

>After I'm done with your mom sweety. <3
Go fuck yourself you fucking retard.

>Apparently his works consist of quoting other people who's works you haven't even read.
But I have read some of them, and OF COURSE he is quoting people for fuck's sake. Are you so fucking uneducated you've never read an academic paper in your life? Fucking retard.

>You just said you haven't read Tohru Honda, but Galbraith quotes him. But, him quoting him is somehow more authoritative to you than the actual source material which Galbraith is quoting from?
Meanwhile you haven't read anything.

>You're mother is a whore.
Go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of shit.

>Doesn't look like it, you're the one getting triggered and holding up a marketer as an authority on a subject in a language you can't speak.
Fuck you, retard.

>Well, your mom says I'm actually Big and not acting. Maybe your dad should act bigger then he could actually dish out a descent fuck sometimes. Also, it's poseur you poseur.
Go fuck yourself.

>Your vaginal blood is all over the keyboard.
Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.

>You said Otaku studies is not a real academic field.
I said it isn't an academic discipline. I've explained this many times now you fucking retard.

>That's what I was telling you paint sniffer. Stop drinking sewer water and learn to read.
Go fuck yourself.

>>15511577
Go fuck yourself.

>>15511579
Fuck you, you fucking subhuman.

>>15511580
Fuck off.

>>15511585
I don't have to quote anything else you fucking idiot.

>Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
I'm an otaku, you're not. Fuck you.

>You're also easily provoked and are most likely underaged.
No, you are.