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He sat there and monologued like a villain instead of taking it easy. Also have to cull the males out of gensokyo.

Killed a human (himself)

Became a youkai in the human village (ABSOLUTELY forbidden)

Why is this forbidden? Because it gives people bad ideas and throws the balance of the village out of whack. The village is supposed to be basically humans only (plus ABSOLUTELY HARMLESS natural youkai), he fucked with everything and put things in dangerous. Humans are supposed to fear youkai, not admire and become them.

Marisa and anyone not living in the village don't have to follow the village's rules, so no, Reimu would not kill Marisa.

>>15373037
>not admire and become them.
He did not admire them, he resented them.

>>15373090
he KIND OF admired them

He resented being under them and so aspired to join them.

>>15372967
Nothing
Reimu is just a cold hearted murderer

A human becoming youkai is taboo and doing things to throw off the tenuous balance of Gensokyo is dangerous. Reimu goes and slaps all the youkai shit when they try to do it so it stands to reason the humans have to be regulated too. If one side gets out of control its all over.

Mamizou also implies the seeking beyond the veil of Gensokyo is a good way to invite dark magic.

>>15373254
So what you're saying is, Oppression of Humans is what Reimu is really all about.

Leader of Men when?
Revolution when?

>>15373286
Miko suggested herself for the role and she was shot down.

It's because he was a man. Only beta cucks think otherwise. Stop reading misanthropic Touhou trash please.

>>15373630
Plenty of faceless men are alive and well, kosuzus father for instance.

>>15372967
he wasn't cute.

The Human Village mob, such as it is when you get any large group of humans together, are pretty dumb. It's been shown over and over. Very clearly susceptible to groupthink, gossip, rumors, fads and trends, and so on.

He simply couldn't be allowed to serve as an example and inspire anyone into seeing it his way and doing what he did.

You give the jinyou a chance, what happens when the next village human wants to become a youkai, and the one after that? Then two, three, four more after?

Like >>15373037 said, humans aren't supposed to want to become youkai, they're supposed to fear them.

You get a large enough population of humans in the village with community ties who can influence others who not only no longer fear youkai, but want to be them, you're threatening the belief system on which Gensokyo operates.

>>15373286
Reimu's job is to be a balancer. She isn't supposed to favor anyone. All are equal in her eyes and thus have an equal chance of being punished in the name of the greater, harmonious good that keeps Gensokyo together and relatively peaceful should they step out of line.

>>15373286
Reimu and Yukari have to ensure balance for the survival of Gensokyo as a whole. The entire outside world doesn't believe in youkai anymore. Gensokyo is mostly a place for youkai and gods with few believers to survive because magic and shit is still believed in. This is the ground level stuff.

There is still balance needed. Yukari has killed scores of youkai as well in order to make sure the humans aren't overwhelmed and the spell card rules are explicitly designed so youkai can raise trouble and scare humans but not kill people and wipe out the Human Village. It's so they can live by making the humans know they exist without being able to actually kill people.

The humans are the source of the existence of pretty much every magic creature in Gensokyo by believing in them or fearing them. They're also incredibly important sources of faith which is why all the factions, especially the religious ones, are fighting over them. That's why they're dangerous as well.

If the humans rally and no longer fear or believe in their power, it's the end of the youkai and the collapse of Gensokyo, unless the youkai in turn break spellcard rules and just start killing people so they legitimately fear them. Humans becoming youkai also tips the scales in an unintentional way, tipping it to the youkai side. If humans start becoming youkai en masse or following a jinyou, then the faith is sucked away from everyone else.

A strong human village is the end of Gensokyo and the Touhou universe because the youkai will lose their power and influence and die off unless they once again can start attacking the human village for real (like Remilia did) which would just cause Reimu to kill them.

There's also just the idea that sacrificing ones humanity and killing yourself to become a youkai is some serious taboo occult shit and worth being punishable over which is a simpler, but also effective, explanation.

>>15372967
he didn't do anything wrong, reimu just wanted an excuse to murder another man

>>15373802
>unless they once again can start attacking the human village for real (like Remilia did)
Source?

>>15375236
That red mist wasn't exactly healthy

>>15373731
He's way cuter than any of the girls.

>>15372967
How do I cast away my humanity? This bag of meat called body is slowly withering and rotting away, soon to be useles for anything but food for a flies children.

>>15375236
PMSS. When Remi arrived in Gensokyo it was before spellcard rules and she went on a rampage, and ended up with a deal where she would be given humans for sustinence. This is one of the reasons Spellcard Rules exist as well.

>>15372967
Youkai eat people.

He used to be people.

He threw away his humanity to become something that eats humanity.

He's literally a cannibal.

>>15375545
That's true. Even though it's more likely than not it was an unintended side effect she didn't think about.

>>15375812
They say "humans" but more likely than not it's just blood.

>>15375812
Youkai are the ones who bitched at Raymoo because the Vampires were to OP.

Only the Vampires have a deal where they are to be given "food", Youkai mad jelly.

>>15375812
>PMSS.
Pfft, women. Am I right, fellas?

>>15375812
>When Remi arrived in Gensokyo it was before spellcard rules and she went on a rampage
you do know that we don't know if that vampire was remilia, right

Alice became a youkai and no one showed up to eliminate her with extreme prejudice. Reimu just hates men.

Not be personal friends with yukari

>>15378487
Alice was not from the Human Village and is not subject to its rules.

>>15378514

[citation needed]

>>15378518
Are you seriously saying Alice was from the Human Village? Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>15378487
>Reimu just hates men.
>Nearly all the Men she encounters are alive and well

>>15378487
>>15378518
What have you been smoking/snorting?

>>15378535

YOU were the one who asserted "Alice was not from the Human Village" AND "[Alice] is not subject to its rules." This despite the fact that 99% of the humans living in Gensokyo either live in the human village or used to live there. YOU have the burden of proof here.

>>15378553

More specifically: Reiumu is okay with men who are beta cattle, but no okay with men who are woke.

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>>15378518
>More specifically: Reiumu is okay with men who are beta cattle, but no okay with men who are woke.
Then explain why Grampa is allowed to punch your favorite 2hus in the face

>>15378594
Alice is a magican from Makai.

>>15378616

Nice fan theory, secondary.

>>15378594
>YOU were the one
Nigga, that was my first post in the thread. Alice is from Makai as far as we know. I know PC98 is semi-canon at best, but it's the only source we have.

>>15378627
>I know PC98 is semi-canon at best

Then why are you wasting everyone's time?

>>15378634
It's better than pure speculation.

>>15378619
Implying that you played the games and only looked at the fan drawings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFDXkbCGgb4

>>15378634
If Alice was from the village, Raymoo would have killed her when she became a youkai, thus she is not from the human village.

>>15378535
Don't believe him? It's all in the numbers.

>>15375812
That's just implied.

It may not be Remilia, there's no way of knowing really.

>>15375844
not all youkai eat people

Not that I think that guy was in the right. Just saying.

>>15378227
>>15378863
>you do know that we don't know if that vampire was remilia, right

What we do know:
>The vampire(s) responsible arrived in Gensokyo fairly recently, and form a single faction which is considered one of Gensokyo's major power blocs (i.e. there are no vampires acting independently or in opposition to each other).
>Remilia arrived in Gensokyo fairly recently, and the SDM is mentioned whenever people bring up Gensokyo's major power blocs (but no other vampire-related factions are).
>"If one refers to vampires that are known to exist in Gensokyo, they must be the Scarlet family living in the Scarlet Devil Mansion."
>The description of the Vampire Incident in PMiSS says "the raucous Scarlet Mist incident caused by that vampire was the first time the spell card rules were put to use."

>>15378940
>and the SDM is mentioned whenever people bring up Gensokyo's major power blocs
I don't think so.

>>15378940
Also, Reimu has no idea who Remilia is when she encounters her in EoSD, so that's also something to consider.

>>15379040
Reimu also had no idea who Yukari, Alice or Kasen were. The last two even complained about Reimu's shoddy memory.

>>15378487
Thing is, "becoming a magician youkai" and "casting aside [your] humanity to become a youkai" are two different things. The former is still very much human, but the latter... not so much.

... There's also the implication that he wants to rise above the youkai, which will threaten Gensokyo.

>>15378616
>>15378627
Regarding PC-98 games, 'semi-canon' means that unless it contradicts canon, then it COULD be considered canon.

In regards to Alice, her dialogue in MS implies that she's not a human, which contradicts Windows games which states that she's a magician who used to be human.

>>15379105
Well if she used to be human, but is now a magician, that means she's not human, right?

Man, I don't care, I just want to mix my DNA with Alice's.

>>15379040
Reimu forgets.

>>15378863
>>15378227
Akyuu and the other characters constantly refer to Remilia as "The Vampire" instead of by name, and when Akyuu explains the vampire incident, she says the Scarlet Mist incident was caused by that vampire. In Remilia's article it also states that the only vampires in Gensokyo are the Scarlet family.

>>15378487
Ascending to the highest tier of magician and casting aside your aging/need for food is different from killing yourself and coming back as a youkai born from vengeful thoughts and emotions like jealousy. Mamizou makes a show of pointing out that looking beyond Gensokyo and losing yourself invites dark magic and it's clear what the fortune teller did was taboo.

We don't know if Alice is from the Village anyway.

>>15375711
Do what he did, but don't get caught.

>>15379158
Also, don't stop and try to negotiate in case she finds out

>>15375812
Don't forget that Remillia is a "light eater" so I see no reason why she would ever go on a rampage.
I doubt she even kills any humans if she "eats" them.

>>15379117
Yeah, but Kogasa is some small fry that was in the way to resolve the incident, not a super power that threatened the balance of Gensokyo and forced her to change the rules of engagement from "whatever" to something that has a structure to it.

>>15379078
She never remembers Alice, that's the running gag sort of thing they have together. And she DOES remember Kasen, which is really jarring.

You have a good point with Yukari, though.

>>15375711
Study hard and become a magician or hermit

>>15372967
Reimu went full exterminatus mode over a minor threat, more or less.

Gensokyo's balance hinges on youkai remaining as mysterious spooky things instead of revealing themselves. When a youkai's "schtick" becomes common and mundane, like yamabiko and echoes, they're pretty much fucked. This is why Akyu lies out of her ass about the abilities and threat level of youkai.

Since this guy had a semi-reliable way to become youkai, he could have inspired other villagers to do similar things. If there are more ex-human youkai, people have no reason to fear them because you're not facing an unknown terror anymore, you're just facing your uncle the grocer as a loli with a silly hat. And that's a major threat to Gensokyo.

Reimu overreacted because nobody really knew who the fortune teller was or whether he actually became a youkai to begin with, he promised up front that he'd vanish and not make any trouble. He posed no real danger. But she offed him anyway because she's a murderous asshole and he wasn't a cute girl so nobody would grieve over him anyway.

>>15382099
I think his major blunder was negotiating with Reimu in earshot of youkai and various humans, if he kept running she could've conveniently given up or "lost him."

>villager willingly turns himself into man-eating monster
>manipulates/possesses young girl to accomplish this
>didn't have enough sense to make himself cute girl in the process
>revealed himself in the middle of the human village, in broad daylight, with plenty of witnesses around, essentially forcing Reimu to act
>expecting to be let go by claiming he won't do the things youkai need to do in order to survive

>did nothing wrong

She also killed the Salt mansion owner. Never forget.

>>15382232
He was possessed by a horse though.

>ITT race traitors make shitty excuses for their poster girl's blatant murder of an innocent man trying to throw off the yoke of his youkai oppressors
Race war in Gensokyo when

>>15382862
>throw off the yoke of his youkai oppressors
By becoming one of them?

>>15382923

Well, how else was he suppose to get power to do anything?

Become a hermit?

That would have ended even more violently.

>>15383015
>That would have ended even more violently.
Why would it? I remind you there was exactly no outrage when Miko began taking apprentices for hermitage training, and that it remained a minor boom until people found out just how strict Miko really is.

And then there's the fact that one of the manga (don't recall which, may have been one of the Three Fairies' series) states Reimu has the earmarks of becoming a hermit, and we haven't seen her faith-based (miko) abilities diminished.

There are plenty of ways to either escape the yoke of youkai (heh) or become more or less their equal, but Mr "Eu sunt Dracul!" took not only the easiest, but also the most illegal approach.

>>15372967

I still have no idea why people react that badly to that dude's end like this guy>>15382099

Take a look quite closely
>He killed himself
>Revive and turned himself into a youkai after getting judged and waiting in nether world

Even if reimu didn't off him afterlife authorities (some hell oni's job) have gotten him later. So reimu just sent him back to neither world, nothing more nothing less.

And I think becoming a Magician(Yokai) which is just changing your diet to magic is quite different from taking a shortcut like this dude. Still have no idea why people are putting alice or marisa in the line of fire.

So the dude did plenty wrong.

>>15373037
>not admire
The forbidden aspect just makes it better.
But you are free to love youkai. Byakuren gets along with them and encourages others, half youkai exist, kitsune married humans in folklore.

Humans just need to believe in youkai.
I think Gensokyo humans need to experience the outside life to realize how great Gensokyo is. I would love to befriend youkai. In SoPM they actually covered this.

>>15383383
>But you are free to love youkai. Byakuren gets along with them and encourages others
You misunderstand how Byakuren's sham of a temple works. She publicly claims co-existent intent, but the truth of the matter (as pointed out several times in Symposium by Marisa) is that Byakuren's temple is a grounds to lure humans in for youkai to do with what youkai do with humans. It enables perhaps weaker and more complacent youkai to receive cheap sustenance. Kogasa used to use their graveyard for this very purpose until Miko's revival and Kogasa's subsequent branching out into legendary smithing and babysitting.

While the "we want both youkai and humans to come and pray" thing Byakuren preaches is not exactly false, many people misunderstand its true meaning.

Wasn't Gensokyo supposed to be a paradise for both sides? A paradise for youkai since they can actually exist and a paradise for humans because every day is exciting? Sure doesn't feel that way in the human village.

Why is Gensokyo's human population so borderline retarded though. I kinda wish ZUN hadn't brought up the "heavy" stuff.

>>15383555
Because ignorance is a key pillar of fear and religious belief. Not even fedora-ing here. An educated community wouldn't be nearly as useful to youkai as a bunch of yokels.

>>15383594
>Not fedoraing
Plenty of educated religious people.
Ignorance makes them more controlable, but it's hardly a pillar of religion.
It's also interesting how spiritually bankrupt Gensokyo is, considering all the religious stuff.
Shinto shrines are materialistic, Buddhists dont follow dharma and Taoists go against nature. Kasen is probably the best person to follow for spiritual guidance. I dont know if that makes her amazing or Gensokyo utter shit. It's not great when she ran the shrine far better than Reimu did.

>>15383662
I'm not that guy, but it's hard to imagine introducing science and education to Gensokyo ending well for youkai. Not saying religious people can't be smart, but education dfenitely makes youkai and gods look less prominent. (Look at the kappa, who flat out reject religion in favor of science despite being mythological themselves.)

>>15383662
Youkai are more about superstition than religion, and ignorant people are more likely to be superstitious

>>15383662
>It's also interesting how spiritually bankrupt Gensokyo is, considering all the religious stuff.

It's no wonder why some people can never seem to take a break.

>>15383662
>Plenty of educated religious people.
The most popular religions in the Outside World (supposing it's literally the same as our world) worship so-called heavenly gods. Meanwhile Gensokyo's gods are native gods - physical deities with very specific characteristics, duties and abilities.

For instance, Suwako's ability is to "create land". An educated person would point out it's quite impossible to create something out of nothing. They would not believe it. A heavenly god may operate subtly, out of an unreachable plane of existence, but native gods are earthly and immediate. Shizuha literally paints autumn leaves when the right time comes. An educated person knows that's not why leaves turn orange/brown. And so on.

This is why I said I wasn't fedora-ing. It wasn't a jab at the intelligence of IRL religious people. Gods in Gensokyo quite literally need people to remain ignorant of their areas of influence for continued religious belief.

>>15383662
Spiritual =/= "Good"
Comparing Reimu to Kasen is unfair.

>>15383762
>Comparing Reimu to Kasen is unfair.
This. Kasen has years and years of experience, on top of other predispositions.

>>15383594
North Korea would like a word with you

>>15383730
Adding to your points, take the yamabiko for example. Why and how echoes happen is common knowledge in outside world- Sound waves and shit, you know the rest. But humans in Gensokyo are dumb and they don't know about it, and thus yamabiko still exist in Gensokyo. If humans smartened up to learn how echoes happened, yamabiko would be kill. Such is life for Kyouko's kind.
Gensokyo basically IS an idiocracy, but a different breed of it.

>>15383791
I don't understand your point. North Koreans are also kept in the dark about a lot of things so they turn to a leader that they both fear and praise like a god. It's the same basic principle

>>15383594
Parallel lines dont intersect

This picture supports the correct definition of the terms, in the sense that one can be anywhere on the gnostic/agnostic line, and anywhere on the theist/atheist line, and they do not influence each other (don't intersect).

>>15383831

Gensokyo is powered by human retardation

>>15383807
You are making excuses
You are claiming state atheism is the same as superstition and fear and in your book the same as "religion"

>>15383662
Kasen isn't a corpse-immortal either

>>15383836
Not an argument

>>15383844
Read Master and Margarita

>>15383854
Read the communist manifesto
Also look up the cult of reason

>>15383831
If you're going to try and use geometrical terms to explain it, then you should try to put one point on two non-intersecting lines at the same time.

>>15383861
In geometry, parallel lines are lines in a plane which do not meet; that is, two lines in a plane that do not intersect or touch each other at any point are said to be parallel. By extension, a line and a plane, or two planes, in three-dimensional Euclidean space that do not share a point are said to be parallel.

>>15383854
A book written by a member of the Komsomol and backed by the league of the militant atheist?

>>15383844
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that advancement in science have a historical tendency to compete with belief in a higher power. When all society knows is religion or the supernatural, people tend to rely on what they know. When science is introduced and understood, some people will stray from prior beliefs because they have more faith in the natural world than the supernatural world. Dictators use religious rhetoric to make themselves appear as a kind of holy person or supreme being that is akin to worship. It's not about theism vs. atheism, it's about observation v. faith.

>>15372967
>So what did this guy do wrong exactly?
Told about all the stuff he did to become a youkai instead of playing stupid.

>>15383799
Reality is subjective.
Shin happens in Gensokyo that violates our concept of reality.

Simple rule when dealing with magic, it just fucking works.
>>15383854
How is that relevent? Jesus was a normal guy, yet the devil was supernatural. I dont see why they cqnt both be supernatural.

>>15383762
It's not unfair. Reimu is trained, it's her job and her life.
Kasen did a better job, despite her lifestyle being more buddhist than Shinto.

How is spirituality bad?
Spirituality is looking heyond the material world. I could also argue it's more romantic, and makes the world more beautiful and interesting. Look at love, some would see it as a powerful force of the soul with divine origins. Others see it as chemicals.
In Gensokyo spirituality is very important. Shame I dont believe in enough to ever live there without being killed for denying magical creatures exist. There should be an Umineko crossover with 2hu.

>>15383936
>Shit happens in Gensokyo that violates our concept of reality.
The problem with Gensokyo is that the shit that also happens in our reality is ascribed to youkai, who die when that shit's real origin is revealed to the psychically active humans.

Point in case: echoes in Gensokyo aren't caused by yamabiko, but yamabikos' continued existence depends on people thinking otherwise. Akyuu writes of a mere rumour of the sound wave explanation causing yamabiko to disappear. Humans in Gensokyo NEED to believe certain things about reality, no matter what actually happens in it.

>>15383914
The Islamic golden age throws your argument out the window

>>15383936
>How is that relevent?
The masses can still be unbelievably stupid and ignorant in an atheist enforced society

>>15383983
So then this post >>15383831
Is correct

>>15383989
Yeah pretty much

>>15383991
>>15383989
What the fuck are you guys even trying to say?

>>15384002
What are you upset about?

>>15383970
You can explain echod, good for you. Meanwhile Sakuya is effortlessly stopping time, Flan makes clones out of thin air, Yukari has all sorts of bullshit powers, and Lunarians are the most advanced civilization. They still have gods and invoke their power.

Just accept magic overrides reality, and Gensokyo operates on different laws to our world. Magicians dont eat for energy, it's also not solar power like plants as Patchy stays in the basement, she isnt expending energy or is producing her own.
Aya is also not effected by gravity or air resistance when moving at insane speeds, that would probably make a human pass out or rupture vessels, the change in air pressure alone should fuck up her ears.
Flying is another issue itself, care to explain how Reimu flies? If it was using her energy, her weight, gravity and speed/distance should put lots of strain on her body.
Alternatively ask Eirin if magic exists, she's insanely smart and should give you an in depth answer. Considering she is immortal, I expect the answer is yes.
It's magic.

>>15384004
Confused, not upset. I don't know what this discussion is about anymore.

>>15383983
Oh. All I remembered was athests hated non magical Jesus, more than magical Jesus.
You could also just highlight the bullshit in mainland China. Allthough to be fair, they are still above African witch doctors who think raping a virgin cures AIDS.

>>15384007
Reimu is blessed by the Hakurei god. She channels the divine constantly and that's why her personality is so odd. Her personality is repressed to better serve as a divine vessel.

>>15384014
Just follow the posts

>>15384007
First of all, Lunarians invoke HEAVENLY gods, who exist on an entirely different set of rules from native gods, who are the endangered species. In fact, Lunarians' presence and inventions are potentially lethal to native gods.

Second of all, not all youkai are personifications of natural phenomena. Those youkai, while still dependent on human belief to an unknown degree (thanks, ZUN), are not threatened by any anti-thesis or scientific fact. Magicians especially, and I'm sure there is no "anti-vampire" scientific concept other than a god damn Belmont. Same goes for other powerful youkai, such as Yukari (implied to either not need sustenance or sustaining herself with human flesh in the Outside World), Yuuka (flower-like, probably lives off of sunlight, was actually deemed an aberration by Eiki), Keine (curses are another sort of stuff) or Aya (Tengu are an independent mythical species).

Reimu's stated ability as a Hakurei miko is to fly.

Eirin is a fucking Lunarian, one of the oldest ones, and potentially even related to the heavenly gods. Of course she can do magic.

>>15384007
>>15384034
In other words, almost every youkai and god has its own condition for existence. A few examples:
>Kanako and Suwako
Need active worship to continue existing.
>Sanae
Her "native god" half can be killed off, leaving her a "purified human" with only the benefits that come with being a wind priestess. Her power to cause miracles would be gone though.
>Reimu
Nobody knows what the Hakurei god is like. Complete unknown.
>Oni
Independent species. Powerful enough to exist on its own.
>Tengu
Same as above.
>Kyouko
A personification of a very specific natural phenomenon. Vanishes if belief in her causing said phenomenon is diminished.
>Kappa
Probably feed on the power of shirikodama.
>Patchouli and Alice
A born magician and a human-turned-magician respectively. Sustained by magic.
>Sekibanki
A "fear-based" youkai. Needs to keep herself in humans' fears to continue living.
>Kogasa
Another "fear-based" youkai. Unique in her attempts to branch out and receive spiritual sustenance from other activities. Still scares humans from time to time. It is not known whether this is because her other methods are weak, or because it remains a habit.
>Hina
A native goddess of misfortune. The logical conclusion is she feeds on misfortune "sacrificed" to her by humans.
>Remilia
Subject to the usual vampire rules.
>Murasa
Yet another fear-based youkai. Byakuren probably unwittingly condemned her to extinction in a land with no sea-faring vessels whose crews would fear sinking.
>Byakuren
Uses paizuri to extract vigor and lifeforce from young human males.

Is this the controversial opinions thread?

Lunarians are their own faith cattle. There are always a scant few who understand the "human perception influences reality" meta like Eirin, Yukari, Mamizou, and possibly Reimu.

Mass human ignorance is a must for belief, faith and magic as a whole.

>>15384083
So like 40k?

>>15382862
RACE WAR
>RACE WAR
RACE WAR
>RACE WAR

>>15384103
Quite. Gensokyo is a Warp rift, the Great Barrier is an anti-Geller field device, and the Human Village is populated with psychically active humans whose mental emanations shape the bubble of un-reality around them.

Praise the immortal Crown Prince on Her golden throne.

>>15384083
But conspiracy theories and urban legends aren't just for the belief and Faith

I've meet many self proclaimed atheist that believe the moon landings are fake or that there is a alien cover up.
And other such things

>>15384063
I'm saying reality is different in Gensokyo.
You talk about how Gensokyo requires ignorance to sustain it's false reality. I said this was untrue as Gensokyo shows us that reality doesnt apply. You even admit this by saying how magicians survive off magic. Ignoring how magic cant exist in reality, your body needs energy to move and sustain itself. Magicians need energy, and if they arent absorbing it then they are making their own energy. Which breaks the laws of physics, energy cant be created or destroyed. This also applies to hourai immortals who regenerate no matter what.
By recognizing magic, you admit reality is meaningless. So while certain youkai may be effected, Gensokyo as a whole isnt based on ignorance due to how some things are literally unexplainable.
I would also argue youkai extinction itself is illogical, I just accept it due to magic. If you saw a yamabiko, but stopped thinking it caused echos, it shouldnt vanish. It would just stop making echos. Plenty of animals had superstitions, they still exist today. If you saw a yamabiko you would still believe it existed, as you and others saw and talked with it.
But again Gensokyo isnt logical, it doesnt need ignorance as it will never be understood. I agree with the view Yukari is the embodiment of the fear of the unknown. Every youkai is based on something after all.
I would also say lunarian gods and native gods are no different outside of worshippers.

>>15384870
>I would also say lunarian gods and native gods are no different outside of worshippers.
Well, you would be in direct contradiction of ZUN's word of god, but if that's what floats your boat, that's what floats your boat.

As for the rest of your post, it's also in contradiction with the canon. Some youkai are sustained by magic or things outside of human control, but some of them are extremely dependent on superstition and direct belief. Native gods and yamabiko are one such thing, as evidenced by the entirety of Moriya's history, Kyouko's article in PMiSS, Nue's actions in FS, Aya's commentary toward complacent youkai in BAiJR, and so on.

I'm sorry, mate. I realise you have a firm headcanon version of Gensokyo, but some of these things really are explained and explicated upon in the actual canon. You can't just dismiss them if you're discussing said canon.

>>15383383
>Byakuren
Byakuren is a youkai.

Granted, she got along with them pre-youkai,, but it was only a matter of time.

>>15382099
>Reimu went full exterminatus mode over a minor threat, more or less.
this is her standard course of action, she just doesn't usually kill nowadays since there's no point/she made new rules

she'll exterminate youkai literally for being in her line of sight and no other reason

Well, it's her job. Legitimate threats get legitimate deaths. Marisa also kills youkai that are actual threats.

>posed no real danger
psh, he posed IMMENSE danger

Human villagers are supposed to remain in ignorance so Gensoukyou can continue to exist. If they start becoming what they fear, the balance will shift, and Gensoukyou's fucked.

>>15385673
>psh, he posed IMMENSE danger
Situation where Reimu kills the fortune teller: Nobody knows whoever the fuck that guy was or what he turned into, he's effectively dead as far as the village is concerned, no danger of humans following his example and turning themselves into youkai
Situation where Reimu doesn't kill the fortune teller: Nobody knows whoever the fuck that guy was or what he turned into, he's effectively dead as far as the village is concerned, no danger of humans following his example and turning themselves into youkai

The dude even had the courtesy of luring Reimu into an abandoned area before starting negotiations. He's only a danger if people learn what he did, which they didn't.

>>15383413

Indeed, Byakuren's only interest in the affair is that youkai continue to exist so that her magic doesn't disappear and she doesn't begin to age again. This also makes her a sham Buddhist, as her one overriding concern is maintaining a youthful and immortal body- she's lousy with desires beyond anything a basic human could ever have.

>>15386182
Provided that he keep quiet about what happened, doesn't make any appearance after that, and distance himself from other humans, sure. But really now, would someone who came back as a vengeful spirit, resurrected through spite and jealousy, do that?

Personally, I kind of doubt it.

>>15386261
It can go both ways. I'm not sure whether the guy who came back from the dead out of his desire to claim ownership over his magic techniques would be so keen on giving up the secrets of these magic techniques either.

>>15382862
He became a youkai through dark magic. He's the race traitor.

>>15386182
Rumor spreads quickly in the human village and he wasn't subtle. Kosuzu had become a sensation over time, people probably asked questions when that shit went down.

>>15386182
It's the principle, not the result.

And it's a fact that the human village is being fed a distorted image of Gensokyo's youkai.
If he became a youkai based on that false image, then without a doubt he is an anomaly and something that should not exist.

So this guy acted like a coon and brag how he's all evil and shit and expected Reimu to play nice cause she was acquainted with japanese demons? Heesh, and I thought Meme Fairy was dumb.

>>15386728
He said he was going to fuck off and leave the village alone, he just wanted to chill.

>>15386247
To be fair religion in Gensokyo is fucked as a whole. Buddhists have desires and Taoists fight nature. Funny Byakuren is Miko's rival, wouldnt suprise me to find she is Miko 2.0 preaching Buddhism, while looking into "taoist" immortality.

>>15386757
Dumb cunt should have just got hermit training or became a magician youkai. Gensokyo has options, he picked the stupid one.

>>15386757
The problem is he inherently can't. One, he showed up right in the middle of the village when everyone was super into Kosuzu's fortune telling before running off, and two, the fact that he's a youkai means that in order to survive he's going to have to actually make sure people remember and believe in him.

If he hadn't been an idiot and monologued to Reimu about his plan he might have just been passed off as an average youkai and been left alone after running away. But revealing yourself to be a jinyu is fucking retarded, he only thought Reimu would leave him alone because he thought she was a youkai too.

Itt people bend themselves back over to explain why it's okay for Alice to give up her humanity but not this guy

Reimu hates men or Zun is a bad writer, deal with it

>>15387202
>Reimu hates men
Then why is Rinnosuke still alive? Why is druggie-kun still alive? Why does the Human Village want for no men?

>>15387368
she only hates magical men

>>15387202
>Reimu hates men
Nah, Kourin's alive so it can't be that.

>Zun is a bad writer
That could be it, but I'd rather avoid any reasoning that's not in-universe; it's less fun to talk about.

>>15372967
>guy who dies in one hit
>threat

>>15387202
There's nothing to explain that isn't talked about by Mamizou in the manga. Becoming a jinyou by killing yourself with dark magics and coming back as a vengeful spirit is fucking taboo as shit.

>>15386757

And Reimu should just believe him because?

>>15387202
Because being a hermit or magician and ascending to the final tier is probably considered akin to enlightenment. There's also no evidence that Alice (or Marisa for that matter) is from the village and bound by their rules. Not really a huge jump in logic to think "I've reached the height of my magical knowledge and now don't need to eat anymore" is different from "Here's my crazy spell that will revive me after I kill myself through jealousy and negative emotions"

>>15387202
Ok but there is nothing that states that Alice is from the human village, she doesn't even have a Japanese name. I doubt Alice has to follow the rules because she isn't from there.

>>15387546
I may be bit nitpicky here, but:

>No evidence that Marisa's from the village
Not really, no. She's not living there, sure, but her family runs a second-hand shop in the village, so she was a villager at one point in her life before living in the Forest of Magic.

>>15387722
Which is why she's a human magician.

>>15387425
>GX poster
>he thinks he can have opinions

>>15387425
>not knowing that the strongest being in the series is Reimu

>>15386247
>This also makes her a sham Buddhist, as her one overriding concern is maintaining a youthful and immortal body

Even the Buddha slew evil.

Also real talk if you had a body like this you'd want to keep it too

I mean DAMN

>>15386247
>This also makes her a sham Buddhist
And you realize that now?

Not to mention, all Touhou religious heads are shams.

>>15394083
Except Kanako, who recognizes the god-human relationship for what it is and fully intends to deliver on her end.

>>15394156
I want her to be happy so much.

>>15394156
Kanako NEEDS to deliver to maintain her worship. Byakuren isn't a god but a monk. She has no promises to deliver on.

>>15384121

that makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

>>15378514
>>15378518
Alice lives in the Forest of Magic, not in the Human Village. She's not of direct influence on the human populace as a result.

She's also born in Makai, not among humans, if we go by PC-98.

>>15386182
Hmm... Not to challenge what you're saying, but it's been mentioned that humans that appear in Gensokyo are offered the option to either go back or stay in the human village.

Why are they given that option at all? Would they not be too dangerous to allow in if one outsider's loose lips could lead to the extinction of a wide variety of youkai, gods, etc?

>>15395382
What would you do if some weirdo came running out of the woods screaming about horrible man eating monsters that looked like cute girls, then he's like NO REALLY THEY'RE REALLY I'LL SHOW YOU.

So he leads you back into the forest where there's fucking nothing, for hours you walk around and there is nothing.

>>15395391
I think you may have misunderstood the question.

>>15395382
Not that guy, but going through PMiSS, it's more or less stated that:

>The frequency of outsiders entering Gensokyo is low.
>The chances of them surviving are lower (outsiders are not protected by the Spell Cards Rules).
>The number that decides to settle in the Human Village is even lower.

So this means that the outsider's influence is negligible at best, since I doubt an entire village would be swayed by one or two human.

>>15373286
miko waiting for someone like that is furtile with reimu around

>>15373254
how dark magic is a bad thing in gensokyo?

>>15378487
I'm have a question about her
It's confirmed by ZUN that alice was a human before become a magician?

>>15402352
Are you kidding? Haven't you read PMiSS?

>>15378616
>>15379105
>>15378627
the thing is if alice was BORN in makai and because that is half youkai/demon now OR alice ended in makai like lewis counterpart and thus being human and youkai later

>>15373184
>>15373286
So 2hu is a game where you play as a villain, with Miko-sama being the true heroine of the series?

>>15378518
I want secondaries to just shut up if they're going to talk about stuff they don't know.
Have you even played the games?

And no, Byakuren and all the other examples so far don't count either.
Kosuzu is the only that would make sense right now.

I cannot wait for Reimu to bring down youkai Kosuzu.

>>15383978
The Islamic Golden Age was the result of conquering a people and translating their knowledge rather than destroying it. It made the caliphate stronger so they chose the right action.

>>15402476
Reimu keeps the balance of power. Whether that makes her good, evil or neutral is up to your interpretation.

>>15402926
She keeps the balance of power in the favour of the oppressive youkai against her own people who are practically treated as livestock.

Reimu's like a freed African slave working as a paddy roller on a cotton farm. If human gets too uppity and tries to be like Massa she gonna cut them down.

Youkaishits must DIE it's that simple

Purge them

>>15384007
the "Reimu fly" ability is kind of astral dream but with your physical body and no restrict to dream world only

and flan isn't the only one who can copy herself, so is possible that exist more of one way to do

>>15387487
>and coming back as a vengeful spirit
as far I'm remember that spirits in particular are a threat for youkais and humans both alike, so maybe the real deal is avoid mima 2.0, village edition and we knows how powerful the resentiment could be, principally if that was a core source fot an spiritual being

>pic somewhat related

>>15373802
B-b-but I can still marry Alice, right?

>>15378514
Human village confirmed gulag

>>15383936
>solipsism