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>>15342439
ill never be good at it

atleast i enjoy them i guess

Currently trying to 1cc UFO, I keep killing myself for those sweet red UFOs, why is it so frustrating.

I beat EoSD on easy today for the first time. I think I'm getting better.

>>15342880
How far are you getting? If you collect at maximum efficiency, you can fully stock up on lives by the end of stage 3, then pretty much not worry about it for the rest of the game. There are a couple easy places to collect in stage 5 as well, but you don't need to push yourself during stage 4, since it's kind of a clusterfuck.

I still can't clear Stage 3 of LoLK even with Reisen. Something about Doremy's Spell Card that is different to most spell cards I've encountered.

>>15342880
yeah it's the same for me, and makes me not want to play the game at all, I hate the UFO mechanic. I'd rather just keep practicing LoLK eventhough it's still too far too hard for me to 1cc.

>>15342880
Greens, dumbass.

Go for greens. As long as you're capable of deathbombing you'll get way more "lives" out of greens.

>>15343043
Going reds for the first 3 stages then going greens for the rest is probably the most effective strategy.

>>15343043
It really depends on your playstyle. If you're confident in using bombs proactively and aren't worried about getting blindsided during stages, then going for bombs is indeed more efficient. However, deathbombing is pretty hard in 12, and collecting lives is just safer in general. But either way, you can easily collect more resources than you actually need (assuming that anon is playing on Normal); it's just a matter of preference.

>>15342880
When I 1cc'd UFO, I invested in reds early and had max lives by about the end of Stage 3. The trick is, don't get too caught up with getting the UFOs that you start neglecting your dodging. Focus on learning patterns and if you happen to see a UFO in your way, grab it
Don't ever go for UFOs until you're confident you can get it without killing yourself.

Also, be sure to feed the giant UFO that shows up so you can continue chains. You'll rack up so much additional lives/bombs that the later stages will be cake.

these threads suck because no one ever posts their scores

>>15343331
b-but muh anonymity

I have trouble playing Touhou games.Not because I suck at them(which I do),but because they make me sleepy.Does anyone else feel this/know why?I feel like this is the opposite reaction I should have to a high tension bullet hell.Just when I start to do good I want to lay down and sleep.

>>15343399
because they are boring as fuck

>>15343399
nope, never had this, maybe the games aren't for you

>>15343399
>because they make me sleep
How? Is dodging a rain of bullets not exciting enough for you?

>>15343331
I'm sure you're aware, but that was a dumb post.

Firstly, there just aren't as many people who are at the level of doing score runs. There will always be more people who are just playing to get clears on whatever difficulty, and since these threads get few enough posters already, you're in a particularly tiny minority.

Secondly, posting scores does not lead to good discussion. What is there to say? Do you just want a circlejerk with everyone congratulating each other? Unless you manage to do something like set a new world record or figure out some brilliant new route, posting scores is basically just asking for attention.

Finally, if you do want to compare scores with others, there are websites for that. This is hardly the place to record your achievements; it's transient, it's anonymous, and frankly, nobody here cares. You'd be better off posting on a forum with like-minded people.

Also, if you're so skilled, you could contribute something useful and help others get good instead of just whining.

>>15343399
Are you getting tired out from concentrating too hard? Or is it that you're retrying the same stage(s) repeatedly and getting bored by the repetition?

>>15343579
I do tend to restart runs alot if I make stupid mistakes in the early levels.That could definetley be why.

>>15343331
I felt like playing this, so I did a couple credits. Here's my score.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=40533
Too bad nobody cares about PoFV.

>>15343714
Dead Parrot - Looks like my standard day out on that game especially playing against a certain character with the initials SI ).

By the way how do you get those replays to work, I download gibberish every time?

>>15343747
ctrl+s on the "gibberish" download page to save it as a .rpy file.

Sometimes I think that I'm super cool pro and dodging all the shit at extremely high speed.

>>15343769
Too bad that superior feeling aint last for too long.

>>15343579
>posting scores is basically just asking for attention
>however posting your clears is perfectly fine
you sure do suck at white-knighting

>>15343789
Don't abuse the quote function, especially to put words in other people's mouths.

Just posting that you got a clear doesn't really lead to any discussion, either. It's barely preferable to posting scores. Both of them are pretty much only meaningful to the person who achieved them, unless the score is some kind of record.

Asking for help with specific things, on the other hand, can lead to discussion and debate about strategy. There's also general discussion that doesn't involve asking for help, but just sharing strategies, experiences, and thoughts about the games. There's all sorts of stuff to talk about, but simply saying "I did this thing, everyone praise me" is not a good way to go about it.

>>15343976
>"I did this thing, everyone praise me" is not a good way to go about it.
I disagree. I generally like seeing other people's achievements, and don't mind them talking about it. If they do, I can ask them questions about it as well, which leads to discussion. If someone posts a score, then someone else may be inclined to watch the replay, and either learn a thing or two, or maybe help out the poster with some mistakes they made. It's nice knowing that other people are scoring, and that oftentimes inspires me to practice harder. Scoring in dead categories isn't very fun, and it's great to have some competition, knowing that other people are struggling with or excelling at the same things that you are. Although with how many categories there are, and how few players are interested in scoring, you'd be lucky if even a small handful of other people take your category seriously, especially people who speak the same language that you do.

Also, there's nothing wrong with wanting to show off your hard work, so long as you aren't spamming it or using it to belittle others.

How do you feel about gamepads vs. keyboard controls?I understand this is kind of controversial but I bought a Sega Saturn controller(the good one,not the fat one) and have found myself doing a lot better at the games.I'd also love to make a simple 2hu arcade machine in the future if I have the time.

>>15344134
If I had a saturn pad I'd try it as well for shooters, but I've only ever had controllers with really bad dpads. Funny enough the best dpad I've ever used is the NDS fat dpad, would love to have a controller with something like that.

An arcade pad would be nice as well, been thinking of getting or building one purely for shooters.

Why doesn't anyone ever host PoFV anymore?

>>15344134
Pad can be just as good as keyboard, although perhaps keyboard can be a bit more precise for some things, and a mechanical keyboard will last longer. Some really strong players use pad, for example Gobou who has the SA overall WR with Reimu A, among other things.

Pads can also save you from carpal tunnel. I've only ever used keyboard though.

>>15344158
I could host to play with people who aren't in Europe/Asia. Not a fan of high latency.

>>15344134
I use a PS3 controller because that's what I'm most comfortable with. I never use a keyboard much for gaming.

>>15344155
The saturn pad works great for shooters and emulation.If you have $40 to spare I definetley recommend picking up a good condition V2 NA controller or the standard Japanese controller from Ebay and a USB adapter for it.

>>15344195
>I could host to play with people who aren't in Europe/Asia.
I'm so unlucky.

>>15344199
I couldn't imagine using a playstation Dpad for anything,much less a vertical shooter.I remember trying to play Darkstalkers on PS1 and it wreaking hell on my thumb.

>>15344218
might not be a bad idea, I'll look into the market

Currently trying to 1CC PCB on Hard. I always delude myself into thinking it's easy, but I always start dying around Stage 3/4. Not to mention that I'm generally slow when it comes to deathbombing, at the very least. Should I just stick with Normal for a while, or would it be better to challenge myself?

>>15344242
I don't use the dpad.

>>15344261
If you haven't 1cced normal, then you could go do that first, but probably better to challenge yourself with hard, unless it feels too overwhelming.

>>15344221
Feels bad. You can always play with yourself though.

Or hell, actually you know what. I'll host. Might not play very long if there's too much lag though.
Adonis 2
73.53.114.136
port 17723

>>15344336
I'm getting a failure to communicate when I try connecting.

I just got my first hard 1cc with MoF. It was a lot of fun. Took me 4 times today getting to Kanako's last spell card to get it. It just falls apart for me after my first bomb on it. I can't get a good rhythm going again or something.

I really like her music. It's one of my favorite boss themes.

>>15344360
Damn, well I'm not sure why that would be. I had that problem with another person before, but was able to connect with others. I've forwarded the port with my router, so unless there's some sort of problem with my firewall (which I don't think there is), then I'm at a loss.

Is there a method to Shotgun/Shining Coronation of the Gods as Sanae, or am I just supposed to do it as depicted?

I'd love to play PoFV against some /jp/sies. Not right now, but I can host in the afternoons and evenings during the week if anyone is around.

>>15344418
Yeah, that spell can be difficult to get a grip on, and difficult to practice, being the final one. You just have to aggressively keep to the center and not be afraid to go through, rather than around, when necessary. That whole fight is pretty fun though, definitely one of my favorites.

Can't beat the strongest migga.

Chalenging everyone itt to beat my 392.470 todays world record.

>>15343331
I just assume very few people are able to do high difficulty score runs reliably. I assume it goes Clear -> 1cc -> Score for many people, and a lot of people would prefer trying to 1cc most if not all of the Windows games and try different shot types before going for score, unless you overwhelmingly love one touhou game over another.

>>15344827
For me I 1cc all shot types I like, then 1cc hard with my favorite, then extra with my favorite before moving on to the next game

>>15344827
My migga this is aint some anime boy. You fight yokai cuz you were born fightah.

>>15344827
There was only a single shot type (SakuyaB in 14) that I didn't get a Normal 1cc with before starting on Hard, and it still bothers me.

What's your favorite Touhou to 1cc /jp/?

>>15345922
Subterranean Animism. It's my game of choice for when I feel like playing some 2hu but not stressing out over a challenge. Okuu's fight is hype as fuck and all the music is top-tier.

>>15345922
I enjoy 1cc'ing them all on stick.

On keyboard it's just business, because I am too precise with the keyboard...

>mfw I'll never be able to 1CC a game correctly
It hurts.

>>15345922

Lotus Land Story. It was my first Lunatic and Extra clear.

>>15348016
How do you 1CC a game incorrectly?

>>15348016
What's a correct 1cc?

>>15348047
Adding extra lives.

>>15348051
Is using the focus button also cheating?

>>15348055
So, you consider a 1CC starting with 5 lives the same as a 1CC 3 lives? That's new.

>>15348059
I considering that if a game lets you do something without glitching or using cheat codes, then it's legit.

>>15348016
How many hours have you put into it? It takes me a long time to get any of my 1ccs. Seems to me if you can beat it with extra lives you can beat it with the default. It's just going to take a lot of practice.

>>15348078
I've stopped counting. Though if we are to trust >>15348076 then I actually DID 1CC EoSD not so long ago. I'm just playing a bit almost everyday. Perhaps a few hours, sometimes not because I try to juggle my life as a functional being as well. If starting with 5 is okay, then I keep at it until I can reduce them. But still, it's kinda frustrating to see people 1CC Lunatic mode while I'm stuck in Normal mode.

>>15348047
I dunno if abusing MoF MarisaB 3.00-3.95 Power bug would count as a correct 1cc.

>>15348094
That's a glitch, it's not something the game inteded, unlike the lives handicap.

>>15348090
Those people doing lunatic I assume have years of experience playing shmup games. EoSD doesn't have a playtime counter unlike the other games. Touhou was my first shmup and it's taken me on average 30 hours a game to beat. I only just finished beating the normal modes very recently. It's going to take a long time at least from my experience. I don't get sick of playing them so it's fun for me. It can get frustrating at times though.

>>15348090
and as far as if 5 lives is ok or not that's up to you. You can enjoy these games at all different levels. There's different difficulty levels, no bomb runs, no deaths. Just enjoy the game.

>>15348151
No, you are supposed to beat the games with one hand, blindfolded and getting the maximum possible score.
That's the way ZUN intended.

>>15348151
And as far as legit 1ccing goes. There's different shot types that make it a lot easier and in some games ways to accumulate tons of resources that makes things a lot easier. They're all legit.

One thing that I like about these games is there's always a way to keep challenging yourself and It feels great to overcome those challenges.

>>15348090
>If starting with 5 is okay
you can do whatever you want and all, but that feels definitely illegitimate to me

You start with a few and through your own skill MAKE more lives and avoid deaths, right? Giving yourself a handicap and counting it the same as if you started with the default amount of lives frankly seems rather lame to me. I wouldn't take any pride in doing it, at least.

>>15348193
>Giving yourself a handicap
But that's exactly what your are doing by not using every live available.
A 1CC is a 1CC, you can't say it's only a fake

>>15348198
What? I don't know what you mean.

The idea is that you beat the game without seeing the continue screen. You finish it whether you died or not, but real success is based on never seeing game over.

With most of the games (not all, I think PoFV is different if I remember right) you start with 2 lives. By learning to score better and understanding the systems you grant yourself more lives and therefore more chances in case you ever screw up.

But if you give yourself more lives to start with than the game gives you by default, you aren't forcing yourself to improve as much as you could and are giving yourself more chances to stumble without LEARNING how to naturally due that within the context of the game (grazing, bombing at the right time, scoring, and in most cases capturing or surviving spell cards).

Furthermore if you do that I don't think it really ought to count the same as someone who completed a 1CC without fiddling and giving themselves more chances.

>>15348198
1CCs must always be done on default settings. Don't justify your incompetent play-style by making excuses, stop pretending that you're doing it the legit way. No half-decent player will take you seriously.

>>15348193
It feels illegitimate to me too. I think everyone assumes you're using default lives when you say you've 1cc'd a game here. I don't want to make people not challenge themselves by saying it's ok not to do it with default lives.

You can do it. It's not easy and it's going take time but you can do it. Keep at it.

>>15348193
The problem is that it gets very frustrating to restart games again and again because of bad positioning. I get I'll simply try to do 5 lives 1CC for now and progressively reduce if I can. It should be more enjoyable while still having me focus on every little bit of resource.

>>15348237
>>15348228
I have a lunatic 1cc on EoSD.
Would you say it's fake because I didn't handicap myself?

>>15348295
I...again, what?

If you're saying you 1CCd Lunatic difficulty without messing with anything why would anyone say it's fake?

>>15348320
Because apparently, if you touch the options you are given then it's not legit.

>>15348291
>I get I'll simply try to do 5 lives 1CC for now and progressively reduce if I can. It should be more enjoyable while still having me focus on every little bit of resource.
If playing for legit 1CCs is not enjoyable to you. Maybe you should stop going for them entirely? It's better than doing these half-assed 1CCs you're doing now.

>>15348295
>Would you say it's fake because I didn't handicap myself?
It's not legit unless you were using default lives/settings.

Though I'd consider starting with less than default lives as an okay handicap.

>>15348330
Wait, are you trying to say WE'RE saying easy or normal don't count or something, or that only normal counts? No, idiot. Why are you being deliberately retarded?

The default settings of whatever difficulty your playing, obviously. I'd consider an easy 1CC legit. Most of the games don't treat you well if you choose easy, but who cares if you managed even that you managed something special.

>>15348334
>Though I'd consider starting with less than default lives as an okay handicap.
You are a hypocrite

>It's not legit unless you were using default
Then I guess using Marisa doesn't count since she's not the default shottype.

>>15348334
Except that I want those 1CC. I just don't have the necessary skill and attention to deal with the later levels. If I'm not supposed to do 1CC, why the fuck should I play Touhou at all? I enjoy it most of the times, but it can get very tiring to restart because I could deathbomb in time.

>>15348291
what >>15348334 saod
>If playing for legit 1CCs is not enjoyable to you. Maybe you should stop going for them entirely? It's better than doing these half-assed 1CCs you're doing now.

I'm not blaming you or anything, just telling it like it is. *I* haven't even 1CC'd a game. I've PLAYED all of them, gotten a fair amount of the way with a few, but 1CC-ing is beyond my current skill level. Maybe one day.

If you're still at this kind of level you should mainly be satisfied with finishing the game at all, or just seeing how far you can get while playing normally. Watch 1CCs, too, for studying.

>>15348352
couldn't* shit, it's late here. I should be studying moonspeak instead.

>>15348350
>>Though I'd consider starting with less than default lives as an okay handicap.
>You are a hypocrite
That's not hypocrisy. The kind of handicap he's talking about is a handicap on YOURSELF against THE GAME. You're making it harder on yourself with less lives.

>>>It's not legit unless you were using default
>Then I guess using Marisa doesn't count since she's not the default shottype.
And this shit, you're just being a fucking fool saying things like this. You KNOW he means the settings the game includes when you're playing it, not using some CE or fiddling with configuration tools or files, but playing and selecting playstyles in the unaltered game.

Christ.

>>15348370
>not using some CE or fiddling with configuration tools or files
OH, I guess that playing in any other resolution is also not a legit way to play.
Or changing to fullscreen.
Or playing without SFX or music.

>>15348383
dude just shut up

your "arguments" don't actually amount to anything

>>15348388
So do yours.

>>15348394
Sure, brah.

>>15348337
I think he means he 1cc'd lunatic with higher than default lives. An anon said a few posts back that not cranking the lives up in options is handicapping you.

I don't think it's a legit lunatic 1cc. Doing it with default lives is harder. I do recognize that beating it on lunatic with the extra lives is still hard.

I mean I don't know. I keep contradicting myself in my head. It's at least not fair to treat a 1cc with default lives and one without as equal.

>>15348350
>You are a hypocrite
Maybe. At least I don't delude myself by pretending I'm a legit player. It's either you conform to the standards, or you don't and leave. There is no in between.

>Then I guess using Marisa doesn't count since she's not the default shottype.
Now this is just autism. There's a difference between game-settings and being able to choose your character and difficulty. Please don't present my argument in such an exaggerated manner as if it represents my original view-point.

>>15348352
>If I'm not supposed to do 1CC, why the fuck should I play Touhou at all? I enjoy it most of the times, but it can get very tiring to restart because I could deathbomb in time.
Simply put, you're playing for the wrong reasons. You should be playing because you enjoy the games. Getting an 1CC is merely the end-result of that enjoyment. Even if you don't get the 1CC, you should still be happy you played because of the experience the games provide.

>>15348357
You have your priorities in order. I wish you luck in getting better and maybe getting those 1CCs later.

>>15348420
>game-settings and being able to choose your character and difficulty. Please don't present my argument in such an exaggerated manner as if it represents my original view-point.

Changing the res, windowed mode, SFX/Music and key layout is part of the game settings.
By your logic, if I changed any of those settings then all of my runs would be illegitimate.

>Simply put, you're playing for the wrong reasons
What does this even mean? Playing a game for the wrong reasons?

>>15348446
>Changing the res, windowed mode, SFX/Music and key layout is part of the game settings. By your logic, if I changed any of those settings then all of my runs would be illegitimate.
I'm not even going to try anymore.

>What does this even mean? Playing a game for the wrong reasons?
Because games are games. If people become obsessed with them or they become less than a form of amusement or entertainment, I believe they should be dropped.

Forcing yourself to play something you derive no enjoyment from, that is to me a wrong reason to be playing a game.

>>15348456
>Forcing yourself to play something you derive no enjoyment from, that is to me a wrong reason to be playing a game.
Then why should people force themselves to use the settings YOU think are legit?

>mfw a single word in my message was responsible for this mess
Butterfly effect, huh.

>>15348470
Only if they are honestly trying to 1CC.

Listen, if you want to just see endings, or see later stages and play them, or beat the game by any means necessary more power to you, I won't fucking blame you, the games are very hard.

Just, you know, don't say you actually got a 1CC. You didn't.

>>15348483
>don't say you actually got a 1CC. You didn't.
The game says I did. It even rewarded me a good ending and the extra stage.

>>15348470
>Then why should people force themselves to use the settings YOU think are legit?
Because you wouldn't enter a soccer-stadium to play basketball?

Don't come to us like we're the boogeyman because we're going for legit 1ccs. You're the one who doesn't belong here if you are unwilling to conform to the standard.

>>15348503
What standard?
What makes a 1cc legit? Do I have to register somewhere to get my 1cc certificate?
Is the game giving me a good ending and unlocking extra somehow not legitimate?

>>15348532
>What standard?
Really?

It's time to move on.

>>15348556
he could at least delete all the posts intead of cherrypicking

>>15344530
It's not much, but here, this is mine.

This really shouldn't be a huge issue. If you change the gameplay settings or are playing by self-imposed rules, just make sure you're as specific as possible when explaining your run. If you 1cc'd Lunatic with no bombs, call it a No Bomb Lunatic 1cc. If you 1cc'd the game on Normal with 5 lives, call it a 5-Life Normal 1cc. There's no need to be ashamed if you're playing on easier settings. If you had to play Easy with max lives, that's fine, just own up to your playthrough and improve yourself if you want to improve yourself.

I've only done 5-Life Normal 1cc'd for EoSD and IN, but that doesn't mean my experience with those game is illegitimate, it just means that I'm not as good as the people who can win with default lives.

FUCKING YUUGI

Anyone have any tips for this boss? I think I have a harder time with Mysterious Powers and Disrupting Spirits than any spell in stage 4.

>>15348865
Her midboss spell is static, so figure out a route by practicing it in stage practice or the SA practice hack mentioned here >>15330213 Watching a replay could help too.

>>15344360
>>15344449
I hosted and played with someone else yesterday, so it must be something on your end or some sort of compatibility issue between us.

>>15348865
Her lasers go in a more predictable pattern than you might think. Try to learn where the safe spots are and you can dodge those without an issue.

I hate that spellcard too. What I did was wait until most of the bullets went off and once I was completely surrounded, I used a bomb. She usually can't get a second round off, depending on the bomb.

>>15348910
>I hosted and played with someone else yesterday, so it must be something on your end or some sort of compatibility issue between us.
I also played with another host yesterday. I wonder what the issue between us might be.

>>15348642
I see your best points is 754.655 then take this.

>>15348865
It's hard for sure, but I still think stage 4 is harder.

SA is weird in that stages 3 and 4 are harder than 5 and 6, which are basically pushovers if you play them right. Granted Orin is hard as shit but Okuu isn't even that bad. Stage 4 is honestly the hardest part of the game, if you can get past that and have some practice with Orin you've pretty much got the game in the bag.

>>15350178
I found stage 4 to be pretty easy to learn, whereas stage 5 gave me trouble for the longest time, in the end stage 5 became all about planning the bombs whereas stage 4 was easy to do flawlessly, not counting Satorin herself (who is still easier than Orin). Talking Normal here of course.

>>15350178
I don't see the difficulty in stages 3 and 4. 3 is just streaming with some lasers in the way, and 4 is a barrage of seals that make it difficult to see but are easy to dodge. Both are pretty much trivial as long as you move slowly and carefully, and believe in the power of streaming. I often bomb through Storm on Mt Ooe, and depending on the character Satori can have a couple difficult cards, but neither one should use up too many resources.

On the other hand, I still don't know how to play stage 5, and Rin is even harder for me than Shou. In terms of resources used, stage 5 and Rin are worse than the rest of the game combined.

>>15345922
LLS, MS and PCB.

>>15350239
I've been playing Hard a lot recently so my viewpoint is different from yours.

>stage 5 became all about planning the bombs whereas stage 4 was easy to do flawlessly

It's the opposite for me. Not trying to insult your intelligence or anything, but did you know that not shooting the ghosts(besides at the part with the tiny black and white danmaku) makes the stage significantly easier?

>>15350780
>3 is just streaming with some lasers in the way

The problem I have with 3 is streaming the blue bullets with lasers in the way with Yuugi shooting her 3 waved danmaku at you at the same time. I always bomb or die at least once at that part.

>I often bomb through Storm on Mt Ooe

I did at first but now I think it's her second-easiest card, the first being Shackles a Criminal Can't Remove. I mean, wow, what an easy card. I actually don't think there is an easier spellcard in the whole series. But anyway, I digress. With practice Storm on Mt Ooe becomes very easy and I usually capture it. I find all of her cards are that way, honestly, and I have more trouble(significantly more, actually) with her nonspells.

>>15350848
On Normal, Storm isn't too bad. I can capture it, but usually end up bombing to save time and reduce the chance of a slip-up. After all, the only other part that might require a bomb is the nonspell immediately after, and then I can fill up on power again during stage 4.

The few attempts I've made on Hard, it absolutely crushed me. I've always been bad at multi-directional attacks anyway, and that one is just killer. Like, I can't even make a good attempt at it.

As for Yuugi's stage attacks, at least on Normal, there just isn't enough density that I find it troublesome. You can stream it all with just one pass in each direction.

>>15350848
>did you know that not shooting the ghosts(besides at the part with the tiny black and white danmaku) makes the stage significantly easier?

Yup, it's just the part after the midboss cards when the ghosts spawn bullets on idle and the fast fairies with the wide shots where I have to bomb atleast once or twice, far too easy to die accidentally.

What was ZUN thinking when he made it so that if you capture Rin's card on stage 6 you get to deal with more bullshit than if you didn't? Its literally easier to just deal with 35 seconds of Rin than the rest of the stage enemies.

>>15352063
Just time down her midboss nonspells a bit, and then after that try and kill catwalk as fast as possible. I can't see how dealing with catwalk is any easier than the stage, it's a hard spell.

>>15352072
That's stage 5; the other anon said stage 6, where the spell card is Blazing Wheel and it's followed by lines of fairies that come from various places around the screen and shoot aimed bullets. Depending on your shot type, it can be very easy to get cornered by them.

There were a lot of strange choices made in 11, purposely or not.

>>15352093
Oh sorry about my bad reading comprehension.

>Depending on your shot type
That part with the blue kunai lines seems pretty easy with ReimuA, but yeah could be hard with some of the other shots if you don't kill them or have low power.

>>15352203
Huh, yeah, those lines of fairies are before Rin, not after. I misremembered.

>>15352063
What do you have trouble with there? It's just a bunch of vertical bullets from the ravens and then some radial ones from the spirits.

Anyone else get totally obssessed with collecting items and powerups and just restart the game if they don't get a perfect?

I have been playing for years, but I never beat any games because I obsess about that instead of surviving and figuring out spell cards

how do I change my mindset?

>>15352237
It's good to have a slight obsession with the P items since they give you power, especially in stage 1.

Other than that I don't know what to tell you. If you're playing for score this is not the wrong mindset but having some points drop below the screen is not a big deal to say the least. I mean if you know you care more about the items than you should what can I say to you? Sure in some games the point items can give you a 1-up but the amount needed is extremely high so not collecting a few of them is no big deal.

I mean I don't think there's anything anybody can say. You have a somewhat unique problem, though. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you really like collectathons?

>>15352237
I'd do a sloppy 1cc without too much item grabbing if you already haven't, and afterwards if you're interested in picking up items and getting more out of the game, go watch some replays and try and figure out scoring.

>>15343399
This happens to me too for some reason. Watching perfect lunatic 1ccs helps me fall asleep

>>15342897
>I beat EoSD on easy today.

It would be a shame if someone prevented you from completing the whole game.


Will you play Normal next?

>>15353516
I remember defeating easy without continues for the first time on EoSD a few months ago. It was the second game I did so, after LLS.
Then I stopped using Windows, and thus stopped playing Touhou. I hope the other anon has better luck.

>>15344473
There is a safe spot right under sagume, just make sure your hitbox is inside the life bar and don't get to close to sagume 'cuz she has a hurtbox. It should work for every character so it's good for speed killing that spell

>>15353730
I know, man. Hence "as depicted." I was wondering if there was a sensible way to do it other than that as Sanae. Her shots make the screen a clusterfuck, and hitting Sagume with them is near impossible.

I just realized while working on hard and the extra in IN you can auto collect without max power if you go focused above the poc line. Also I didn't realize I could practice the spell cards for the extra in spell practice mode neither or I would have tried it a long time ago. That has made it so much easier. I'm 2 spell cards away from beating it.

>>15353768
tried sanae against her in pointdevice and only way to consistently survive was to either use safe spot or just time it out by not shooting at all, dealing damage just doesn't work

>>15353585
That's nice, Richardo. I'm pretty sure you can play them through Wine or whatever it is you guys use. But around here, the important point for OS is SHMUP games. We don't care about Freedom.

>>15354379
Last I checked, I think most of the Touhou games work on WINE.

>>15354379
>>15355543
Haven't tried every single one of the win games but out of the ones I've tried (including LoLK), only EoSD has had some problems, which was music not playing. From what I understand that doesn't happen to everyone.

>>15354379
>implying Wine works on my OS
Wine for the most part only works on GNU/Linux, and my OS doesn't have a GNU/Linux compatibility layer.

I can't believe you Touhou-only fags think you're hip and cool for playing your "hard" games when much more difficult shmups exist. The least you could do is play for score, but you lot aren't even capable of doing that.
What's you're excuse for not being good, jaypee? Too many doujins and not enough practice?

>>15355974
Please take your Cave shitposting elsewhere.

>>15355974
They're simply the most enjoyable to play.

>>15355816
What the hell are you using then? FreeBSD?

By the way, I've just started playing 2hu, beginning with PCB (since that was the first one I could find).

>>15356494
Tell me more.

>>15354111
That was my experience as well. Thanks for replying anyway. Fucking Sanae and her gung-ho explosive god damn shots...

>>15356522
Not sure what else there is to say. Even on easy mode, I've only managed a couple levels.

>>15344134
I think I've kind of 'spoiled' myself with using a gamepad. When I first started playing (with EoSD) I was only using keyboard, and I managed to normal 1cc (and did so for most of the other games).

When I first tried using a pad and it felt kind of weird at first, since I felt the keyboard allowed for more precise movements.

I don't exactly know when but, after a while I started to get better with the gamepad and now I use it exclusively (and managed to clear UFO and SA with it).

I tried going back to keyboard and I found I did worse than I normally would.

>>15345922
Now that I got a hang of being able to clear it, SA. A close second would be EoSD.

>>15356551
Don't feel compelled to 1cc the game. Focus on clearing using continues at first, then you can aim for a 1cc. Trying to 1cc your first shmup (which I assume it is for you) without using continues first is pretty brutal, even for an easier one like PCB. Also, the amount of progress you're making will be more clear; first a completion, then a 3cc, then a 2cc, then the 1cc.

>>15356798
I'm so new, I can't even understand your post. What's a cc?

>>15356811
cubic centimetre

>>15356811
> What's a cc?
Credit Clear

A 1 Credit Clear (think of the word credit in arcade terms) meaning you beat the game without using continues.

>>15356798
>Trying to 1cc your first shmup (which I assume it is for you) without using continues first is pretty brutal
What? No, that's bullshit. I royally suck at all video games, had never played a shmup, yet still managed to to 1cc my first Touhou on Normal without using extra credits, or extra lives, or playing on Easy first. It's really not that hard.

Tripfriend-san, just stick with it. It may take you weeks or months, but you can get a good ending in 7 with a bit of effort. Using a continue to unlock a stage for practice, or playing on Easy just to get an idea of the stage layout, is fine, but don't overdo it. Push yourself a bit and go right for a good ending; you'll be fine.

I hate to be one of those elitist 'git gud' fags, but really, there's only so much you can coddle new players.

>>15356112
OpenBSD.
FreeBSD does have a GNU/Linux compatibility layer. I'll just wait until I'm using Windows again though.

>>15355974
>Touhou-only fags
What makes you think I only play Touhou? You should go back to your dead /vr/ threads.

>>15356822
I was going to make that joke myself, but then I remembered it's officially deprecated in favor of ml.

>>15356861
Thank you for clearing that up.

>>15356940
I don't know what prior experience you had with video games and what rig you were using, but from my perspective, getting a 1cc on the first try on normal puts you in a totally different league than me. It says I'm 40% through... on Easy, with 5 continues set. And that's only after several hours. I don't know if it's just my laptop's keyboard, but I feel I have barely any control over the damn thing, and I manage to avoid getting hit only by sheer luck.

Dunno. I haven't really been into the gaming scene since I was like, 14 or something. Maybe I'll improve. Time will tell.

>>15344134
Perhaps this is because I've only played using a PS4 controller, but my experience with pads have been less than stellar. I use the d-pad, though, so perhaps my experience would be better using the analog stick. Additionally, I haven't bothered to try the games with a joystick that has an octagonal gate--I've heard that the GameCube controller actually works pretty well with shmups.

Overall, I would say that pad is considerably worse than keyboard and stick. Between the latter two, it really depends on the game; games with denser patterns or more focus on streaming (i.e. LoLK, PCB) are easier with a keyboard, and games with looser but more random patterns (i.e. EoSD, MS) are easier with a stick.

>>15357828
Personally, I think that PCB is pretty overwhelming to a new player, so you might want to try to clear a different game first. Personally, I've found 10 and 6 to be the most beginner friendly on normal. If you don't mind emulating, 4 and maybe 5 are probably better choices. I suggest using Nijmegen to emulate.

Also, regarding your problem with having "barely any control," try using vpatch. The first few Windows games have problems with input lag, so that might help.

>>15344134
Perhaps this is because I've only played using a PS4 controller, but my experience with pads have been less than stellar. I use the d-pad, though, so perhaps my experience would be better using the analog stick. Additionally, I haven't bothered to try the games with a joystick that has an octagonal gate--I've heard that the GameCube controller actually works pretty well with shmups.

Overall, I would say that pad is considerably worse than keyboard and stick. Between the latter two, it really depends on the game; games with denser patterns or more focus on streaming (i.e. LoLK, PCB) are easier with a keyboard, and games with looser but more random patterns (i.e. EoSD, MS) are easier with a stick.

>>15357828
Personally, I think that PCB is pretty overwhelming to a new player, so you might want to try to clear a different game first. I consider 6 and 10 to be the most beginner friendly, due to having simpler patterns and mechanics. If you don't mind emulating, 4 is a better choice. I suggest using npfm2gen to emulate.

Also, regarding your problem with having "barely any control," try using vpatch. The first few Windows games have problems with input lag, so that might help.

>>15344134
Yeah, as I was playing 2hu, I thought to myself, "this would make a really great arcade game!" Not that many people play them anymore, but they keep kids entertained at movie theaters and such.

>>15356940
>What? No, that's bullshit. I royally suck at all video games, had never played a shmup, yet still managed to to 1cc my first Touhou on Normal without using extra credits, or extra lives, or playing on Easy first.

Are you actually retarded? Using continues means being exposed to more of the game than if you didn't. This is way more beginner friendly than trying to 1cc right off the bat. Using continues to get a bad ending, then proceeding to 1cc will provide results in the shortest amount of time. Trying to 1cc means he will repeat the same part over and over again until he gets it, then proceed to get raped by the next part. Meanwhile continuing gives him more exposure to all of the game and therefore he won't get raped (as hard) as if he was just trying to 1cc. Not only is forcing newbies to 1cc their first shmup very difficult on the part of the newbie, it's also disheartening. Him saying "fuck it" and quitting is much more likely if he tries to 1cc, and especially since, no offense, but only getting through 40% of the game on easy mode on one of the easiest touhous after several hours of practice isn't the best one could hope for, to put it lightly.

So maybe you forced yourself to 1cc your first shmup. Good for you, but sorry to say that is not the most efficient way to do it, especially for beginners. Continuing will give him results faster and make him feel like less of a scrub since he will be able to see himself get better more clearly rather than simply banging his head against stage 2 until he gets it.

>I hate to be one of those elitist 'git gud' fags, but really, there's only so much you can coddle new players.

Well first off, what the fuck does this even mean? I could tell him not to go for a 1cc at all and to use as many default lives as I could, so there is more I could be doing to "coddle" him. Secondly, as long as he goes on to 1cc and realize the value of 1ccing, there is no reason for him to not continue and not jump straight into a 1cc.

So seeing as how there is no reason to go for a 1cc on his first shmup, yes, you are being an elitist git gud fag. Shut the fuck up and stop forcing your arbitrary standards on others, especially when they impede growth rather than promote it.

ulil is shit

>>15357828
No, not on the first try. Hell no. After several months. Just, without getting any other clears first.

As the other anon said, try using vpatch. And read the gameplay page on the wiki to make sure you're not missing anything important.

>>15358078
It's not an arbitrary standard; I'm suggesting he go for the minimum necessary to get a good ending. The way I see it, practicing each part and getting decent at it before moving on is the better way to learn, since you deal with problem areas one at a time. Either way, you're going to replay it over and over, so don't use that excuse. And talk about disheartening; he'll get his first 'clear', but it won't mean shit and he'll get a bad ending. That doesn't foster a sense of achievement.

And there's no point to playing on Easy for any serious amount of time, because even if you learn to perfect it, the game is totally different on Normal. Maybe to learn basic techniques or whatever, but even then, the (lack of) bullet density and speed won't really prepare you for the actual game.

>>15359327
>It's not an arbitrary standard; I'm suggesting he go for the minimum necessary to get a good ending. The way I see it, practicing each part and getting decent at it before moving on is the better way to learn, since you deal with problem areas one at a time.

This is less efficient than learning the whole game at once.

>Either way, you're going to replay it over and over, so don't use that excuse.

You'll replay it less using this method. As I've said time and again, it's a more efficient way to obtain a 1cc; even for pros.

>And talk about disheartening; he'll get his first 'clear', but it won't mean shit and he'll get a bad ending. That doesn't foster a sense of achievement.

It's a hell of a lot of progress compared to not even getting past 40%. Rather than feeling nothing for weeks or even months he'll be able to see himself improve.

>And there's no point to playing on Easy for any serious amount of time, because even if you learn to perfect it, the game is totally different on Normal.

It is very different, but it's still very valuable experience. The patterns remain the same, they're just harder. Like Hard is an easier version of Lunatic, Easy is an easier version than Normal. He'll be able to practice patterns that would normally overwhelm him.

>Maybe to learn basic techniques or whatever, but even then, the (lack of) bullet density and speed won't really prepare you for the actual game.

Now I just think you're delusional. It's much easier but it's still a challenge for most newcomers. This guy is literally saying he can't get past 40% ALREADY USING CONTINUES after hours of practice. And now you want him to cut it out and jump into one level higher difficulty going for a 1cc? Delusional elitists like you belong in /vg/'s shmup general.

I will never get over the fact that Clownpiece not only has two survival spells, but also ends with one.

>>15359719
Atleast they're both easy to get good at with little to no randomness.

What the fuck did I just start in here?

Also, I can't get the vpatch to stick, even with AppLocale and following all the instructions.

Damnit, I wish ZUN would just release the source code, at least to his older games, so we wouldn't have to play meta-games like this.

>Can't grab a life piece because it's under Okuu's huge balls

I don't understand Mokou's spell card 199. I'll sometimes capture it and other times I get hit multiple times. Does the laser activate at the same 2 spots every time or does it change depending on my movement? Sometimes I'm like I was far enough left or right you bitch!

Also I'm mostly getting wrecked on spell card 202. If I get hit end up having to use a ton of resources to get through it. I've tried acting as though I didn't just get hit with my movements so everything is in the same spot when the boss comes out of being immune and I've tried just standing there and having her throw all her bullets in one spot. I'm having a hell of a time recovering in that phase. I probably just need to do the former better. Anyone got any tips?

>>15360625
Figures. I just captured the first one and did really well on the other. Even captured the second to last spell card for my first time. If only i didn't fuck up the other phases I could have won that time.

>>15360249
Installation varies. I'm assuming pcb? What OS?

>>15360625
>>15360713
> Does the laser activate at the same 2 spots every time or does it change depending on my movement?
It activates at the spot where your character's hitbox was when the laser appeared on the screen.

>>15360774
Wow I just tried it in spell practice to understand what you meant. Ya I totally had the wrong idea for that spell card. No wonder I couldn't do it consistently. Thanks.

I just got it. Beat IN extra with Reimu and Yukari. Sloppier than I would have liked. I think I'm going to go for it again. That was a really cool fight. I hope there's other one's on this one and Ran's level.

Yukari looks like it will be good. I haven't tried that one much yet. I'm like half way or more on Suwako. I'll probably finish that one next. I just really liked Mokou's fight from trying it when I had first beat IN on normal. I just realized I could practice spellcards for the extra in IN so I decided to revisit that one.

>>15361025
And again. That one was better in someways and worst in others.

>>15359592
>The patterns remain the same, they're just harder
That's extremely misleading. While patterns and spells of different difficulties may superficially appear similar, they often require totally different approaches. Even in the stages, enemies will fire differently, forcing different routes. Playing on a higher difficulty basically means re-learning the entire game, since little beyond the basic skill set carries over.

I should know, because right now I'm getting bullied hard by Parsee. Fucking Parsee! Just put me out of my misery already.

> use continue
> FULL POWER

How am I supposed to improve when this changes the entire approach a stage?

>>15361821
By not using a continue.

>>15361821
You could just not collect the power items. An extra layer of dodging!

Or do the later games just give you full power regardless?

MoF Extra NMNB yeeeeeeeeah

does your 1cc even score? anyone disagree with this make your suggestions

>>15366287
You forgot Fairy wars and PoFV. And PC98 games, although almost nobody cares about those either.

>SA Normal stage 5
I can't even constantly clear the stage portion.

>>15366713
Yeah, it's a bitch. There are some tricks to learn (like the areas where you're not supposed to shoot), but it's still the hardest part of the game, so if you're just going for a clear then expect to spend at least one life there.

>>15366350
I think FW and PoFV are part of "td-rest".

I've finally cleared SA on normal with all shot types.

Marisa B:
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=40557

Reimu C:
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=40558

Marisa C:
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=40559

I was particularly surprised with my Marisa C run since I managed to get to stage 6 with max lives.

>>15366713
Hang in there. A few months ago being able to clear SA seemed impossible, but in a span of 3 weeks I managed to clear normal completely.

You should probably check out some NMNB clears for pointers.

>>15362013
Nice.

>>15342439
Started playing DS from scratch, I'll take a little pause since I met Shou and her curvy bullshit.

Also I managed to take a picture of myself exploding.

>>15371940
>Shou

>>15371955
Yes I meant Shou, my bad for forgetting to say the pic was unrelated since that's Yuugi.

Been playing this for few hours. This game is so damn rage inducing, I think I broke my space key. Almost every deaths feels so unfair, please tell me I'm not the only one.

>>15373891
Yeah, I wasn't even able to get to stage 10 before giving up. It's just so janky, it's not particularly fun to play.

>>15373891

I think it's one of the games with the highest replay value. Sliding around and kicking shit is a lot of fun. It's not really unfair, you just have to get used to the lack of vertical movement.

>>15366287
eosd wr
pcb wr
in wr
mof wr
sa wr
ufo wr
td-rest wr lmao

>>15345922
MoF

>>15374581
How the heck does POFV take 76 minutes

>>15374581
>only game that is not autoscroller
>why speedrun this?

>>15376983
oops typo

>>15376996
This. Who the fucks speedruns auto scrolling games? The photography games and IS are more suited for speedrunning.

does anyone else here suck at these games but plays them for fun?

>>15377075
I have to work for about a month per game to 1cc normal but I still love them.

>>15377075
I've 1cc'd games before but I don't play them reliably enough to be decent at anything other than Normal. The music makes the games worth playing regardless of skill level imo

Holyshit, I have finally 1cced UFO on normal.
I haven't been this happy for a long time.

>>15377315
omedetto!!

>>15377315
Congragulations dude !

>>15377339
>>15377367
Thanks. Seriously though, that 5th stage is a stuff of nightmares.

>>15377315
Grats. The ending music was great too wasn't it? Usually is but I especially liked this one.

>>15368206
Nice. Have you been doing all shot types for the other games or do you particularly like SA?

>>15362013
Grats. I'm still working on that fight. For some reason I can't capture her first spellcard. I always manage to get hit. I've made it to the second to last card. I got a few things to work out still.

>>15377075
im horrible and it doesnt feel fun

>>15377471
>Grats. The ending music was great too wasn't it? Usually is but I especially liked this one.
Yeah, that staff roll theme was really nice. The EoSD one still remains my favourite though.

>>15374523
this board isnt full of talented japs!

>>15377315
Congrats man!

>>15377471
Thank ya for the congratulations. For Suwako's first spell, you can actually misdirect the lasers if you stay above her after you finish the dialogue, then move back down just in time for the first nonspell to begin. That way you'll have an easy capture each time.

>>15377372
The stage, or Shou? I thought the stage itself was pretty relaxing, especially after how hectic stage 4 got, and offered some good opportunities for UFO collection.

Shou is pretty tough, though half the difficulty comes from the bullshit hitboxes on everything.

>>15377075
Hell yeah, I'm fuckin' terrible, but the games are just that enjoyable.

>>15378012
I meant Shou. I hate her non-spell laser attacks so much.

>>15378068
Unless you get particularly unlucky on the third one, those aren't too bad. The curvy lasers are more about psyching you out than anything else. There's a lot of empty space, so just stay calm, get used to reading the angles, and keep your movement to a minimum.

I find that with laser-based attacks (Extending Arm, Promise of the Wheat God, etc), I have a horrible tendency to twitch-dodge *into* the lasers, rather than away. Staying calm is important to avoiding stupid shit like that.

>>15377582
Don't have to be jap to get a WR.

Noo! Not criss crossing bullets. Fuck made it to Suwako's last spell card for the first time. While I am better than I used to be at doing them I still suck at them. I wasted a life or more just thinking to myself why did it have to be criss crossing bullets. I probably could have done it had I not psyched myself out.

Is there any good place to find Hard NMNB replays? I realize that's a bit of a niche, but I need some guidance for clearing MoF on Hard, and everyone who posts replays on YouTube just bombs through all the trouble spots.

For instance, the bit right after Momiji (it happens earlier in the stage as well), how are you meant to do that without bombing? On Normal, you can barely squeeze though by zig-zagging, but on Hard, the bullets are too dense to cut back through.

The game is full of spots like that with no obvious way out, so rather than ask every stupid question here, I'd rather just watch and learn from a good replay.

>>15382493
that's part of the midboss extend. time down momiji, to 10-13 seconds, and it won't be there. you can just learn the part after, but it's pretty tight and most people prefer to wait on momiji (on lunatic, idk hard)

>>15382493
what shot are you using? I'll make you a replay

>>15382493
Pretty sure a lot of places are just designed for bombing, therefore the power/bomb system.

Quick question does SA have bad endings I need to know, thanks!

>>15383596
Yes.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Subterranean_Animism/Gameplay#Endings

ＦＵＣＫ
ＵＵ
Ｃ　Ｃ
Ｋ　　Ｋ

I just made it to the last Mokou's spellcard with 0 lives and no bombs. And got hit when like 3 millimeters of Mokou's were remaining. And didn't save the replay! Fuck!

>>15382493
You dodge them the same way you dodge the first barrage, streaming quickly to the left corner and going back slowly to the center

Are you a bad enough dude to stream on Twitch?

>>15383712 >>15383561 >>15383298
Thanks for the advice, but is that a 'no' on the Hard replays? And if so, are the techniques for Lunatic similar enough to use one of those instead? If I could learn how to properly do half the shit I'm bombing through at the moment, that would probably be enough.

>>15383706
So sorry. Here, use this.

>>15382493
http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?u=&g=10&p=&t=--&d=3&c=1&ch=8
although i wouldnt recommend not bombing momiji and the part after it because you get power back if done correctly

>>15383768
I did for a little while (poorly), but it gets boring without a Mic.

>>15383706
I had a similar experience with Suwako earlier. I died at the same time that she did. I haven't been close since. Hope you're having better luck than me. Either way you'll get it eventually.

Finally cleared MoF Extra. That took a lot longer than I thought it would. My first impression of the stage and boss fight was it was only ok but it grew on me a lot. In the end I can say I really enjoyed it.

I never did learn spell cards 104 or 106 even after watching a replay. Spell card 105 became my favorite in the fight once I figured it out.

Fucking hell. I downloaded a replay as >>15384013 suggested (although a no-death rather than no-bomb, figuring it would be more helpful), and wow. Just wow. This guy has a higher score in the middle of stage 3 than I ever do by the time I inevitably die to Kanako. Like, here he is fighting Nitori with seven fucking lives in stock. What the fuck. I thought I was doing a good job auto-collecting and getting card bonuses, but I might as well not even be playing the game compared to this guy. That's more discouraging than a thousand stupid deaths.

>>15385218
Don't worry I suck too. Without watching I'm guessing he just got his faith counter really high. Your faith is a multiplier of some sort for points from items and from spell captures.

>>15385293
>and from spell captures
Now that part is news to me. But yeah, he barely let the thing drop the entire time. It was maxed out by stage 6.

Apparently suiciding into dense bullets and death-bombing is a scoring technique, but I can't really tell if it would be worthwhile for doing a mere 1cc.

>>15385326
>Apparently suiciding into dense bullets and death-bombing is a scoring technique, but I can't really tell if it would be worthwhile for doing a mere 1cc
150mil points is the last point you gain a life from which isn't that hard to get if I remember correctly. I would just do whatever you can do consistently otherwise you're just adding more rng making it less likely you'll get your 1cc.

>>15385360
You're right, just by concentrating on the faith counter for the first three stages, I was able to get 150M by the time I fought Aya, and it hardly messed with my survival play at all. Now I just need to stop dropping spaghetti all over stage 4, and learn Sanae's fight, and then I should be able to crash-land through Kanako into a clear.

Would anyone be interested in an upcoming gameplay competition on Eientei Forums? It's budding into a pretty huge event and everyone of all skill levels are welcome.

I've been trying to beat EoSD Extra for quite some time, Counter Clock always gets me, if Maze of Love doesn't do it first. I also still can't 1cc IaMP

Don't you dare say IaMP doesn't count, the HUD fucking shatters

>>15388221

I can get about 300-350M faith by the time i reach Stage 4, until it drops to 50M and my lives to 1 by the time i reach Stage 5

>>15373891 here, I finally did it! 1CC on hell route, it's been so long since I accomplished something.
This game is so frustrating but addictive at the same time. I've been suffering from the tetris effect since I began playing it and I can't stop seeing that orb bouncing without even closing my eyes.

Hey guys, apologies for shilling but would anyone in this thread be interested in a Touhou gameplay competition? Players of all skill levels are welcome.

Just look up "Eientei Forums" on google if any of you are interested.

>>15392661
You already asked this a few posts ago

>>15392661
2hu SUCKS dude

One day I'm gonna 1cc stage 3 practice mode

>>15393223
You take that back

>>15377471
>Nice. Have you been doing all shot types for the other games

Aside from SA, I've 1cc'd with all shot types on normal for EoSD, MoF, PoFV(?, If you count that), TD, LoLK (PD mode, ).

I think I only have PCB, IN and UFO, DDC left (I mean I've been able to clear them, I just didn't do it with all types).

I generally try to clear the games with all shot types, but when I hit a roadblock I move on to something else.

>or do you particularly like SA?

For me, SA was an almost impenetrable barrier for clearing. Once I was able to clear that hurdle (I think clearing UFO and LoLK helped towards that), I was motivated to clear it with the other shot types probably more so that with my previous clears.

I'm trying SA lunatic now (and thanks to the practice tool), I've kind of got a hang of the spell cards for the first 3 stages.

>>15390369

>Don't you dare say IaMP doesn't count, the HUD fucking shatters

When I first saw that happen it was so hype.

I'd count it since in order to even get to fight Suika you are required to 1cc the game up to and including Yukari (I got so frustrated playing as Sakuya on Hard against Yukari, that one spell card that had an essentially perfect wake-up hit almost had me in tears).

For me, in order to 1cc IaMP, the most important thing was the spell card/super move I used, since I chose it with the specific intention spamming Suika with it (save up until the HUD blows and then let it rip).

Other than that there was a sort of counter intuitive method of beating tough bosses on normal.

If I ran into trouble I would play the game on hard and then rage/button mash until I was able to beat the boss in question. Once I did, I quit and started again on normal and was able to breeze through (if I felt like it I would simply continue on hard until the end).

What touhou game should I play/focus on. I'm not a beginner. No PC98 please.

>>15393663
>I'm not a beginner.
That's sort of vague.

Without any more information I'm just gonna say Fairy Wars.

>>15393663
Not a beginner at what, Touhou, or shmups in general? Are you asking for the best game for doing score runs, or the hardest, or the most fun, or something else? Without knowing what you're really asking for, it's impossible to give a specific recommendation.

If you're literally just asking /jp/ to be your RNG, then I'll say 11 because it's my favorite.

>>15393663
What have you cleared, and on what difficulty?

>>15393733
>>15393717
I guess I forgot to specify. I guess I'm gonna go with Fairy wars.

>>15393733
Every main touhou game on normal, and the two first windows games on hard.

>>15393663

>no PC-98 please

Why not? They're great games and LLS would be perfect for you

Just got a hard 1cc in IN. I made a lot of mistakes and amusingly I got Reisen's last spell by dumb luck. I also made it to Eiren's last spell card with only 1 bomb. I still got to do Final B. I also want to say fuck Tewi. I'll never be able to dodge her bullets.

>>15343399
>not because I suck at them but they make me sleepy

They make you sleepy because you suck at them, and you get tired of losing all the time

get lucky the game xD

>>15403812
Big superplayer dick!!

So because I'm a bad player, I had to use Marisa B in EoSD to get the 1cc on hard.

I seriously cannot beat this game without using her bomb as a crutch to get past spell cards I don't like.

>>15403969
A 1cc is a 1cc, man.

As long as you aren't giving yourself more lives in the options its legit.

Funny, I've only cleared Hard with ReimuA. I seriously cannot beat that game without using her shot as a crutch so I can focus on dodging.

Actually, I think the real reason is that she gets easier cards from Patche, but you get the point. Different shot types are better for different people, and they all count. And once you clear with one, the others are sure to follow. Just keep practicing.

>>15377075
Being bad is pretty fun.

>>15366287
Imagine spending all that effort on a score that would actually be high.

>>15371940
Nothing in the game is bullshit when you have a camera that can clear bullets! Well, maybe a few scenes...

>>15377075
Yes, I started at imperishable night lunatic mode and I want to kill myself already. Gonna try easy mode next time. I just want to git gud but lunatic is well... too lunatic.

8-6 is annoying, specially since you'll be grazing the giant ass suns a lot and those things produce bullets.

>Continue
>Return to Title
>Save Replay
>Give up and Retry

Why isn't there a "Retry this stage with a continue"?

>>15406818
>Retry this stage with a continue
That's called stage practice. Or you could play SA/MoF/UFO.

halp

>>15366713
SA stage 5 is a long dance. You'll end up liking it when you learn it. The most important thing to learn is to manipulate and stream the spirits while exploiting the holes that naturally appear there, and make sure to just fucking bomb Cat's Walk if you can't consistently clear it.

because Orin is the true nightmare

halp

>>15366713
SA stage 5 is a long dance. Aside of the cat, it's all just very careful streaming, especially in the narrow passage with spirits coming from the sides segment. You'll end up liking it when you learn it. The most important thing to learn is to manipulate and stream the spirits while exploiting the holes that naturally appear there, and make sure to just fucking bomb Cat's Walk if you can't consistently clear it.

because Orin is the true nightmare

>>15377075

Yes (although I consider sucking to mean I can't 1cc hard/lunatic/extra, and I cant NMNB normal). When I'm not trying to 1cc anything in particular (or am attempting to git gud) I like to screw around with spellcard practice.

Mami:
https://a.pomf.cat/dfqaor.webm

Okuu:
https://a.pomf.cat/hppvff.webm

Mokou:
https://a.pomf.cat/cyowek.webm

>>15377075
if by fun you mean to cause enough depression to eventually kill myself then yes

>>15405844
walk don't run okay!

>>15408472
Why are you playing then? You aren't telling the whole story.

I can't use homing amulet Reimu.

I just can't. Bitch is fucking terrible.

>>15408872
Then use Marisa or Reimu's persuasion needles.

>All right, I'm going at a great pace!
>Stage 5 ruins everything and all of my lives disappear

After a certain point I have to question why I'm doing this to myself. I've already beaten the game before, but here I am trying to do it again.

>>15408872
In which game? Usually, amulets vs needles depends on whether you need more help crowd-controlling during stages or clearing cards fast, respectively. If you're choosing the one that doesn't match your playstyle, obviously it will seem bad in comparison.

If you're trying to clear whatever game it is with every shot type, oh well. You can't really say you've mastered a difficulty without at least clearing it with your worst shot type, it's just part of the challenge.

>>15409330
In which game? If you've cleared it recently but can't do it again, then you just got lucky, so keep practicing until you can do it consistently. Or, if your last clear was a while ago, then just take a few days to get back into it.

>>15408742
He probably got tricked into marrying a Touhou game without chance of divorce and can't stop playing it 5 hours a day.

>>15408872
For me it's the opposite, I can't use anything that isn't homing Reimu aside Reimu and gap hag in SA.

>>15408742
suicide is the end goal

Is it just me, or is 10's Extra really easy compared to the others? I just gave it a try for a change of pace, and almost cleared it within one session. Rather than being between Hard and Lunatic, it feels more between Normal and Hard in terms of difficulty.

>>15411361
Yeah it's one of the easiest ones. How far did you get?

>>15411361
Saw your post and figured I might as well get around to clearing it today. Not a very difficult extra to clear.

Died like 3 times to spellcard 105: 蛙狩「蛙は口ゆえ蛇に呑まるる」 (Frog Hunt "The Snake Eats the Croaking Frog")

>>15411443
To her penultimate spell card, then died because of completely misjudging the hitbox of the large bullets.

I had a really stupid death on Long-Arm and Long-Leg, because I went forward absolutely confident of fitting through the gap, but was slightly misaligned. That one is deceptively hard, like Unremembered Crop.

>>15409633
>You can't really say you've mastered a difficulty without at least clearing it with your worst shot type
Even WR holders don't say they've ``mastered'' the difficulty.

Why is Reimu in IN such a massive difficulty spike? I can easily clear everything before her without having to continue and even get a few last spells, but then I get to her and I have to continue 2 or 3 times. Is there something I'm missing?

>>15413401
Yes, you are not shooting her quickly enough. Remember that she always alternates from left to right for the duration of her nonspells. Her spellcards are not too hard either. Same with Marisa.

Holy h*ck I have been trying to 1cc SA hard for weeks now and it isn't even fun anymore. I've gotten to Okuu once, but I can't consistently get past Orin.

>>15413473
>it isn't even fun
welcome to 2hu

>>15413473
Welcome to SA, or 'graduate school' for Touhou players ( It takes seven years of trying to pass it)!

*full disclosure: I am still getting pummelled by Parsee on an almost daily basis, and look forward to game completion sometime in 2026.

>>15360729
Win7, but I'm thinking really my problem is my keyboard. It's a laptop keyboard, and the keys are very flat with a hard switch, they're no finessing them. I'd either need a suitable external keyboard, or a joystick, and I don't have the money right now for either of those.

>>15414250
s/they're/there's

Guys, I can't 1cc EoSD, I feel like I'm retarded. If I posted a replay, would someone be willing to review it and give me pointers?

>>15414540
Don't worry, these games make lots of people including me feel retarded. Sure, go ahead.

I played EoSD for the first time in months, the last thing I did before my hiatus being beating it on easy without continues.
I was pleasantly surprised with how far I got, only having played once today, for the first time in so long. To stage 4 without continues, to Sakuya with all the continues, on normal mode.

>>15414583
All right, here it is. Thanks in advance...

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=40660

>>15414621
Gameover on Scarlet Gensokyo, huh. That's actually where my last 1cc attempt in EoSD (same shottype/difficulty) died. To be honest, I don't really have any advice I can give to you. That was a pretty close run, just had to not die with bombs.

Maybe figure out Illusional Misdirection in stage practice/replays and you could just keep putting in credits until you get it. Sorry I'm not much help, but you seem to have this game routed out well enough for a 1cc.

>>15414772
But anon, there's so much senseless flailing and trying new approaches there, it was the reason I thought my strats weren't viable. I've been chipping at it for perhaps a week now...

Regardless, I will try harder to avoid deaths and will think more, and it might just come out!

>>15411361
Honestly, all extras after MoF feel like they're between Normal and Hard to me, mostly because Hard rose in difficulty at MoF.

Playing IN
Could anyone explain me how does that gauge on the bottom left corner works? I'm lost and I never get enough time orbs

>>15416145
I would read the touhou wiki if you want all the details. Basically you want to keep the gauge all the way to one of the sides so that you can collect time.

To make the gauge go to the left you shoot unfocused. When you're far enough to the left you'll start collecting time by killing enemies unfocused. To make the gauge go to the right you shoot focused. When you're far enough to the right you start collecting time by grazing. By killing slaves your gauge will move towards the center. To avoid this you want to kill the enemies that spawn them with focused shots since only unfocused can attack slaves. By using a bomb while unfocused you will automatically get all the way to the left side and by using a bomb focused you will get all the way to the right side. If you last spell bomb it takes you to the opposite side you were on. Finally you can quickly swap between sides on a boss fight if you start using the opposite attack near a phase transition.

You lose time points every time you get hit unless you deathbomb. There's a delayed deathbomb mechanic in this game called last spell. If you get hit and bomb after the usual deathbomb window you'll activate your last spell which not only consumes two bombs it also makes you lose time points.

So what I do and I'm no expert is clear the stages unfocused only going focused to kill slave spawning enemies. The first two stages I need to fight the bosses unfocused as much as possible which is pretty easy to do. I unfocus all of their non spell cards and some of their spell cards. The spelcards that I can't do unfocused I start attacking focused just before the boss transitions to the next phase and that way I usually get a fast swap over to the other side of the gauge. Stages 3 and up I get enough time just by not getting hit too much. I'm going to assume you're losing a ton of time points to getting hit. So as you get better you'll start being able to collect enough time points.

>>15417358
>So what I do and I'm no expert is clear the stages unfocused only going focused to kill slave spawning enemies.
Well actually I do go focused when I got to dodge bullets that I wouldn't be able to dodge unfocused. I don't know it's just like any other touhou game I guess. It's mostly unfocused only going focused when necessary. Also stage 5 I do mainly focused thinking about it.

It's also worth mentioning and I only found this out recently myself. If you're not at max power you're still able to auto collect above the poc line. You just have to go focused to activate the auto collect. Very helpful for getting max power as soon as the beginning of stage 2 and after anytime you get hit losing your max power to get it back right away. This is assuming you aren't using Marisa anyway. She can auto collect unfocused without max power.

>>15413401
Her entire fight is just variations on 'move back and forth'. Literally every attack, just move a bit to one side, then the other side, then back again. Don't overthink it.

>>15414894
>perhaps a week
If you can do that well in a week, give it two and you'll be fine. No need to be impatient.

>>15415974
I don't know, the only other Extra that seems doable for me at this point is 13's, and the stage part of that definitely seems harder than Hard.

>>15414621
Pretty good try, honestly. You've got some good strategies.

One thing I noticed was that you dodge some patterns in a... strange way. Like you forced yourself to go past the bottom of the screen for no apparent reason. I noticed it on Perfect Freeze and a few others. Maybe it's just a difference in style but I think it would work out better for you to let the bullets come to you and not force yourself to clear a pattern by going past it. Obviously it differs pattern to pattern but you know what I mean. The other thing is that you need to do a better job at bombing. Marisa B's whole strength is her bomb, and you're not doing a good job of using it, sorry to say. Don't be afraid to say "Oh, this spellcard? Bomb." It will basically let you skip spellcards. Work on your bombing and you should be fine.

Does anyone else have really specific brain problems preventing them from fully enjoying Touhou? I discovered recently my eyes tend not to register red (and only red) projectiles unless directly focusing on them. It makes all kinds of shit flank and take me by surprise when it should be visible from miles away.

Honourable mention goes to Sagumin's non-spellcard red cards coming in from the side.

>>15417461
>If you're not at max power you're still able to auto collect above the poc line
Marisa can do this without having to focus
I wonder why

>>15417461
>If you're not at max power you're still able to auto collect above the poc line
Marisa can do this without having to focus
I wonder why

How long did it take you to git good?I've been playing on and off for a couple of months now and can only get to stage 5 on normal or the end of stage 4 on hard at most on any game that I play before I have to use a continue.It seems like I've hit a wall and am no longer improving.

>>15401327
Just finished Final B. Kaguya was pretty easy. I'm going to be playing this one for a while still. There's so much I want to do. I want to get some clean 1ccs. These ones were really sloppy. I also want to get at least Eiren's last spell if not also some of Kaguya's. I used to put the minimum amount of effort into getting my 1ccs but I want to change that with my hard clears.

Also Reisen's last spell is actually pretty easy. I thought it looked hard and was surprised I had captured it the other day. However I'm having trouble learning Marisa's. I think that one's going to be a tough capture.

>>15419578
Only play one game at a time. It took me one month straight of NEET time to 1cc MoF normal, but now I can get normal 1ccs of new games (that aren't LoLK) in a day or less.

Newfag to 2hu and /jp/ here
I want to try it out side I see the girls posted all over the site, does anyone have a link to the games and where I should start?

>>15419795
Find the games yourself,it's not hard.
As for where to start,most people will tell you to just start at the first and go on from there,which is perfectly reasonable.However,if you really don't want to mess with emulating the first 5,you really won't miss anything if you start at the sixth one(the first one for windows.

>>15419578
Good is relative, but starting from nothing, a couple weeks for normal 1cc. Four and a half months for Lunatic 1cc. Then another few months for LNB. Played a lot though. If you play on and off then of course you'll have slower results.

>>15419795
Moriya Shrine or the torrent on nyaa. Start with 6, 7, 8, or 10 imo.

>>15419795
A simple Google search should bring you to a huge list of all of the mainline games released. Start with 6 (EoSD), 7(PCB), 8 (IN), or 10 (MoF), as they have a combination of relatively simple (on normal) patterns and large amounts of resources.

>>15419578
I've been playing for 6 years and am still shit

>>15419578
I think I'm one of the slowest progressing touhou players here. It's taken me about 30 hours for every 1cc I've gotten with few exceptions like MoF and TD. I second the anon that says to stick to one game at a time. What games have you been trying?

>>15420593
I've been playing 6 and 7 mostly.

>>15418248
>One thing I noticed was that you dodge some patterns in a... strange way. Like you forced yourself to go past the bottom of the screen for no apparent reason. I noticed it on Perfect Freeze and a few others. Maybe it's just a difference in style but I think it would work out better for you to let the bullets come to you and not force yourself to clear a pattern by going past it. Obviously it differs pattern to pattern but you know what I mean.
Ah... yes, it's just my style. It's a bit more thrilling than passive dodging, and I think my DPS is higher as well. It gives me more room to back down. I've never thought of it as a problem, more of a controlled risk, but I will try being more passive to see if it helps.

>The other thing is that you need to do a better job at bombing. Marisa B's whole strength is her bomb, and you're not doing a good job of using it, sorry to say. Don't be afraid to say "Oh, this spellcard? Bomb." It will basically let you skip spellcards. Work on your bombing and you should be fine.
The deaths are just baffling. I feel like I'm in control, and then I hit a bullet that I apparently misread while not noticing that at all, or I reflexively do a movement that I don't need to do while staring down in disbelief at what my fingers are doing. I find such deaths difficult to account for because of how unexpected they are. I'm hesitant to allocate more bombs to what I feel should be "easy"... but for a 1cc it's what I need to do, don't I.

There are a few spells in EoSD dodging which I don't feel confident at all about, like Sakuya's S5 final, S6 Eternal Meek, Patchouli's Emerald Megalith, a couple other obvious ones, but these I try to bomb quickly after giving it only a token effort. It would be fun to dodge them completely, but it comes down to risky manoeuvers that I can either perform or die before I can judge correctly whether to death-bomb, so I just bomb... Perhaps I should look toward those LNB challenges, but I don't like them at all. For what it's worth, I captured max rank Killing Doll once, and lowered rank books once, and then never again since I switched from practice to full runs and I wasn't taking risks. Can't stand practice, it's so boring!

Well, I'll do runs today, I hope it comes together.

Thank you for your response.

>>15418040
>If you can do that well in a week, give it two and you'll be fine. No need to be impatient.
Hell, it's not like I started playing shmups a week ago...

>>15414250
When you acquire the money, get a keyboard with Cherry MX Reds or Blacks, will cost you about $100. Don't go for the joystick, it's not worth it for Touhou (it would also cost you at least $100).

Anyone else feel like the difference between difficulties are minimal?
Once I was able to 1cc easy on Perfect Cherry Blossom I was also able to at least get the bad ending on lunatic
IMO the real difficulty is switching between games

>>15421826
No, difference between difficulties is quite high.
>1cc easy
>get the bad ending on lunatic
Well you do get a lot of continues. And a lot of resources. So if you just bomb every pattern you don't have to dodge anything.

>>15421775
But browns are enjoyable too.

>>15421826
>>15421883
You get especially many resources playing PCB with continues, as the item threshold for extends gets reset when you continue, so you can get an extraordinary amount of lives.

>>15421907
It is said that browns feel like reds with dirt stuck with them. Not to be mean!

>>15421909
PCB also has borders than can be managed smartly, so in essence you can forgo dodging anything at all... it's quite the easy game in this regard.

>>15421703
>The deaths are just baffling. I feel like I'm in control, and then I hit a bullet that I apparently misread
Yep, sounds typical. I'm lucky to get through a run without one of those, even while playing something easy for fun. Shit happens, and some days it's worse than others. The key is to not let the one dumb mistake send your whole run spiraling out of control.

Also, it depends on the situation, but staying farther up the screen isn't necessarily a bad thing at all. Maybe not so much in 6, but certain patterns punish you for staying at the bottom.

>>15421775
>>15421907
>>15421924
What's the point of getting a mechanical keyboard if you're just going to get black switches?

But that's in general. For Touhou, from what people say, it seems like the exact hardware isn't as important as how comfortable you are with it. Even a shitty laptop keyboard is okay as long as there are no rollover issues.

I use browns, and they're good, but I've never used blues or reds so that's not really based on anything.

>>15421939
That's kind of shit, the main attractive for me in these games is dodging and dodging only

>>15421987
Well, it's your choice. You don't have to bomb or use borders. In fact, you can even go so far as to do a no-shooting challenge run. Or play 14.3.

>>15421961
>What's the point of getting a mechanical keyboard if you're just going to get black switches?
Nahhh, black switches are still noticeably lighter than rubberdomes. In feeling, they're Cherry switches through and through. Not even close!

>>15422028
Then do LNB or score. No need to do a scrubby 1cc when you can do that.

>see projectile incoming to wreck my shit
>can't dodge because surrounded
>push X button
>bomb doesn't come off
>smash the button
>bomb doesn't come off
>get hit
>dead
Laptops are shit. I can't wait until I get to play on a real computer.

>>15422688
Just use autokey you dumbo.
Most laptops can register more than 5 keys presses at the time, however that doesn't include the arrow keys. Try remaping the keys to something your laptop can register.
Pro tip: The keys "ZDXCMKL,L:" can be pressed at the same time on most laptops so you should remap those.

>>15421987
Then don't bomb and use borders for score. Nobody told you that you had to use everything for survival.

Is there something that goofs up replay files? I 1CCd SA about a year ago and just tried playing the replay, it started playing goofy and died after the conversation with Okuu.

>>15424505
Start playing the replay from stage 5 or don't use ctrl to speed through it, I forget which one. But doing one of those should fix the replay desync.

Am I the only person who didn't like LoLK?

>>15424551
It was ok, but DDC was amazing, so maybe it feels a little underwhelming coming after.

>>15424551
No

>>15424551
Lots of people don't. It's challenging, but mainly because the balance is way off in comparison to others in the series.

>>15424650
The difficulty is not even one the reasons why I dislike it, though.

>>15424657
This is the gameplay thread.

>>15424671
So?

>>15424686
I have no idea what you're trying to communicate. No one has an idea of what you're trying to communicate. God, I'm laughing. This is so terrible.

>>15424657
Why do you dislike it? Not trying to judge, just curious.

>>15424693
Are you okay anon?

>>15424698
I'll try to stay on the "gameplay" side of things to not trigger our friend, but I have more reasons.
The shottypes selection is really underwhelming and feel very samey, there's no variety. Sanae is just broken.

Junko is just not fun to play against. All of her patterns are just too simple, dull looking and full of micrododging.

Legacy mode feels like a last minute addition and the extra stage feels really rushed.

>>15424721
Why is that about legacy mode?
Does this pic trigger you?

>>15424764
The game was clearly designed around pointdevice.
Why are you asking me if an edited character triggers me?

>>15424721
>Are you okay anon?
Mental illness hits me sometimes, apologies.

>>15424721
>Sanae is just broken.
I've seen so many people say this, yet never with a reason why. What exactly makes her so broken?

>>15424915
You can graze during bombs for life fragments. Other characters will not get as much graze and so won't get the life fragments from bombing. Only applies to Legacy and Extra. That's it.

>>15342439
Had first 1CC and level of play clearance last night. It took until ULiL or TH 14.5 for this to happen though.

Last few moments were like a ballet in motion against a backdrop reminiscent of the early work of Maurice Binder (of James Bond titles fame). and was equally nerve racking (on last life in the last game segment and all that) but enjoyable all the same.

Thought I'd share my joy with you all.

>>15427359
Congrats. It's always pure, these emotions...

Why do people say PCB is the easier touhou when it's final boss is hard as hell?

>>15428613
I wouldn't say that Yuyuko is quite that hard. Byakuren and Remi have much more difficult patterns.

>>15428613
But throughout the game you get plenty of lives for the final boss fight. Also, Yuyuko is still easier to beat than many other final bosses.

>>15428613
There is no easy touhou. At least from a new players perspective. I know that isn't exactly what you were saying but even the easier touhous have numerous challenges to overcome.

>>15428642
>>15428648
Not that anon, but bullshit. Remi is way below the average difficulty for a final boss, and Yuyuko is just as far above it.

But since the rest of the game is fairly easy, if you average it all out, it's not too bad.

Hello.
>decide to play 2hu
>finish EoSD on easy with two continues after many tries
>mfw game tells me I have to finish it on normal and no continues

>>15429154
All of Yuyuko's spellcards except her final timeout are easy to cap.

Remi has Young Demon Lord, Vampire Illusion, Scarlet Meister and Scarlet Gensokyo.

>>15429271
Alright, now I'm convinced that you're posting from opposite world.

Looking at that image, I honestly couldn't tell they were the Lunatic cards until the last one. They're all such un-fun messes even on Normal that they seem basically the same.

>>15422040
I'm improving, I think. I'm closer to 70% now, but that's only with all the training wheels on (easy mode, slow mode, 5 lives, etc.), and I can clear the first stage in normal mode without them.

>>15429521
I also find Yuyuko's spell cards easier to cap. Remilia is unfair, difficult, you are at RNG's whim. The bullets at a moment's notice tend to form patterns that are difficult to decipher and dodge and may as well be impossible. Most of Yuyuko's patterns is just the usual stuff.

https://ln.steamy.moe/lhjrmq.mp4
>About 2 minutes in

Is this really as bad as I think it is?
I've been playing LOLK easy for about a month so far.

>>15429886
Thats not how you are supposed to capture the spell. You are supposed to stay inside the circle and just slightly keep moving while inside.

>>15429917
I figured that out at 9:10

>>15429886
Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Yes, you're supposed to stay away from the edges and let the circle form around you. Only move when you need to. There were so many deaths where you moved into a laser for no apparent reason, when nothing was even coming towards you. Also, why did you time it out? That's just making it harder on yourself.

>>15429851
Talk about RNG's whim, all of Yuyuko's attacks are just barfing a ton of random bullets all over the screen, then making you dance through them with constant aimed shots. That fight is a real low point for the series, design-wise. Remi pushes your reaction time a bit, but the dodging is relatively easy.

>>15385149
>I never did learn spell cards 104
When the bullets start moving, they're aimed at you. You have to start at least half way up the screen, and move downward as slowly as possible, so that by the time you're at the bottom, any that are still headed towards you are dispersed enough to easily pass through. You then have to head back up as soon as possible, both to avoid getting hit by the next wave and to get in position to misdirect it.
>or 106
It's just timing. I had trouble with it too, but there's not really anything deeper to understand about that one. Just move through at the right moment.

Anyway, you're right, that fight was pretty fun. Except for "Red Frogs of Houei 4", which is terrible and has no place existing whatsoever.

>>15430750
Thanks for the tips.

>>15422688
Use a fucking usb controller

>>15429953
>Remi pushes your reaction time a bit, but the dodging is relatively easy.
Your dodging ability is uncommonly strong. You should expand it to be comfortable with different styles of danmaku. Be the prodigy!

>>15429953
>Only move when you need to. There were so many deaths where you moved into a laser for no apparent reason, when nothing was even coming towards you.

Yeah, that's easily my biggest mistake.

I feel so bad that after trying most of the games, I am still stuck at this level of ability:

http://ln.steamy.moe/lqprcd.mp4

>>15429953
you sound like someone that plays on normal and doesn't even attempt to find an approach for attacks like yuyukos spells, that is seriously the only reason why you could consider her harder than remi

>>15432172
I take it your point is that you spent half the time on One-Winged White Heron? You're kind of doing it wrong; if you closely follow Sagume's horizontal movements, there are relatively safe spots at the bottom below where she stops, and more importantly, you keep constant DPS on her and clear the card quickly.

Aside from that, the rest of the stage wasn't too bad. I've seen much worse attempts. Since you're obviously not totally lacking in ability, it's just a matter of learning. For the chapters that took multiple attempts, do you understand what you did wrong the first time, and what you did right to finally clear them? Pointdevice mode is a great chance to quickly develop strategies, so it's important to do so rather than just stubbornly forcing your way through things.

Also, playing on Easy may be hurting you in some ways. Consider the first chapter in that video. Rather than neatly streaming the bullets, you were moving back and forth erratically and cutting through the streams. On Easy, that's doable because the bullets are slow and sparse, but on higher difficulties, you'll find that the speed and density make that impossible, or at least very difficult. To put it generally, Easy is so easy that many attacks can be dodged multiple ways, and so it doesn't do a good job of teaching you the correct way to dodge things, whereas higher difficulties do a better job communicating how they're supposed to be approached. Playing on Normal may be more helpful.

Anyway, don't give up. And if you feel like Pointdevice is wearing you out, try focusing on a different game for a while.

>>15429158
Yes.
Let normal difficulty be the norm anon, easy mode only makes you feel comfortable a bit
>>15429851
Only spell card that I find hard with Remi is Red Magic tho, maybe Scarlet Shot too but not as annoying as anything that Yuyu has after she opens that fan

>>15432495
>red magic
>scarlet shoot
git gud

>>15432346
Actually, I've cleared both those games on hard. Remi has a comparatively greater increase in difficulty from normal to hard, but that still leaves her easier than Yuyuko. Which isn't saying much, because almost everyone is easier than Yuyuko. The whole fight is a constant rain of bug-type shit with ludicrously large health bars, like Patchouli on steroids. Danmaku at it's worst.

>>15434132
ok, so you play hard and don't attempt to find an approach then, still a beginner with no clue.

Are there any good resources for PCB scoring? I want to improve myself on normal as much as I can on normal and hard before I make the jump into lunatic, but I dislike the thought of just copying the high scoring replays on the repository.

>>15436641
>I want to improve myself on normal as much as I can on normal and hard before I make the jump into lunatic
I should also improve my English skills one of these days.

>>15436641
>>15436653
There's nothing wrong with copying replays. It's not like you can just "copy" a replay either. There are likely a lot of important details you're going to miss even if you do as it's a complicated game, and coming up with routes yourself is difficult, to say the least. Not to mention that the execution isn't simple either.

I've never done scoring on normal myself, but if you want to improve your dodging, it's probably best to clear a lunatic or two if you haven't already and then get into scoring if you want to after that. Don't worry about not being ready for higher difficulties, if you can 1cc normal or hard, then you can begin working on lunatic.

Some of the stuff in PCB normal looks cool though. Made this webm by recording clo-naga's normal ReimuB run from http://score.royalflare.net/th07/levelchar7.html#L1C1

>>15437599

where can I get the game?