/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>1531267
>>1531278
Why is Jonesy such a normalfag?

>>1533584,1
Why are you looking up his posts from a year ago, Stalker-kun?

Uh, that's nice. I wouldn't have ever known since I ignore 95% of Type-Moon threads (honestly, how do they keep going over 100 posts from any old screenshot, picture, or random question?).

>>1531267
>No. But please, let's not ruin this thread.
Bullshit.

>>1531278
>>1531293
Wow, he really is serious about this. Now I've lost all respect for Jones.

>>1533584,5
Only really pathetic virgins would make such a huge deal over virginity.

It's a completely irrelevant detail that only teenagers care about, are you really that immature? That being said, I don't believe you're all virgins, not even /jp/ can be that sad.

>>1533584,6
>pathetic virgins
>not even /jp/ can be that sad
Sup normalbro, did /r9k/ link to the ghostboard or something?

I don't like Jonesy anymore, I thought he was pure like me. This breaks my heart ;_;

JONES, HOW COULD YOU

WHY DID I READ THIS THREAD, OH GOD ;_;

>>1533584,6
Someone ban this normalfriend.

>>1533584,7
I love making controversial comments anonymously because I always get ad hominem attacks in return. This is one of the reasons why anonymity in BBSes is overrated; if you disagree with someone, you can always picture them as evil beings that came from undesirable places and they don't belong here, so their opinion can be safely ignored. That way, you never have to question the status quo of the board.

This happens in every single anonymous board I have been to. If I posted that with my trip, you wouldn't be able to dismiss my post like that and you'd actually have to take the time to write a proper retort.

Anonymity really isn't the panacea many believe it is. People claim that in anonymous boards, your posts are judged individually and that's the beauty of it, because it's a fair system where the only thing that matters is what you just posted. What people forget is that, because judging a single opinion without having an individual to pin it to is sometimes impossible for us due to the nature of the subjects being discussed, this method enables readers to build stereotypes in their heads and then attach posts to their fabricated strawmen every time they read something they dislike. It effectively stifles any kind of controversial discussion.

This is why trip users can be so controversial. Even if they hold the regular opinions the majority of the board agrees with most of the time, when they post something you really disagree with, you can't just mentally attach your strawman to that post and let it slide (oh, he's just an idiot that doesn't know any better). No, you're aware that someone that you sometimes agree with and that you consider a "normal board user" thinks differently, and that's when shit hits the fan.

It works the other way around, too. When Arc or 2007 post something dumb, you don't even look twice. You don't have to bother trying to figure out what's the type of person that would post something like that. You already know they're idiots and you don't waste time replying.

Basically, anonymity is a lot more flawed than people think. Ironically, it's great for circlejerking among your own little hivemind, but it's utter shit for anything that dares defying the dictatorial imposed status quo. You'll be instantly dubbed as a troll or newfriend if you try to do so.

(And no, I'm not Jones.)

>>1533584,11
>>1533584,12
Fascinating.

>>1533584,11
>>1533584,12
>implying that anonymous boards are something else besides a huge circlejerk.
And to be honest the old 4chan mantrain>Current bullshit(And you know it's the truth, (″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ )

Why does everyone accuse others of being certain tripfriends on the ghostboard?

>>1533584,15
I guess it must be their way of weeding out the trolls among us.

>>1533584,15
Because in here, it's easier to pretend the posts you dislike were made by tripfriends you dislike than to pretend they were made by a random idiot from /a/.

>>1533584,11
>>1533584,12
Fact: most trolls, spammers, and shitposters are tripfriends. Think back, do you remember any Anonymous user forcing a shitty meme or spamming the board with a bot? If you can find it then show it to me.

I however will give you plenty of examples of tripfriends acting maliciously:

Arc
Taikodrum Master
Sion
Anon2007
/jp/ police
/b/tard of /jp/

Here's some from /a/, though my memory of /a/ isn't that good nowadays:

King of GETs
Tonberryking
Guriin
Meru
food anime
Taiga

And these are just the ones off the top of my head. Want me to continue? Obviously Anons shitpost, but they don't do it for the sake of 'reputation' building. Without the incentive of becoming 'infamous' Anons see long-term trolling as futile. Consequently, their attempts at trolling are short lived. I can only recall one Anonymous user that tried to force something.

>I can only recall one Anonymous user that tried to force something.
You're either a complete idiot or a very distracted person.

Do you seriously believe anything you just said? Of course it's easier to point out which trip users act maliciously. Due to anonymity, you can't know if all those dumb posts you're reading are by the same person or by different idiots. That much is fucking obvious.

And you forget KoG never used a name/trip. Neither does Dawson or any of the other spammers. In fact, the users who cause the most damage don't use a trip or name, because they're perfectly aware people could just start filtering their posts (or even if you don't filter them, you can always ignore them).

Was Meru really a troll outside of this ghost board? /a/ and /ck/ hate her, but here she seems nice and calm.

>>1533584,20
Meru was guriin and Otonashi Meru on /a/.

She trolled /a/ massively back in 2007 or so.

>>1533584,21
>She trolled /a/ massively back in 2007 or so.
You give her too much credit. I wouldn't call her brand of incredibly retarded and persistent garbage posting "trolling".

Though to be honest, I don't remember her Otonashi Meru persona doing much besides imagedumping Meru and Kaere pictures.

>>1533584,22
I vaguely recall her making drama threads (was she "living on the street" at one point?) but my memories of 2007 are pretty hazy.

>>1533584,19
>And you forget KoG never used a name/trip.
You don't get what reputation building means, do you? Even though he used to post with a name sometimes back on /a/, he doesn't need a name inorder to promote his faggotry or e-reputation. It's kinda like AoRF and his JBCS bot, the second AoRF confessed to owning that bot, we always associate the bot with his name.

http://nonoba.com/KoG

If it wasn't for his nonoba blog, KoGs would have given up years ago. It acts as a place where he can show off all of his EPIC GETs. One of the reasons why (recently) he has been using Cirno images to bump his threads is because he created a Cirno flash game. Maybe now he thinks increasing Cirno's popularity will some how bring traffic to his games. Maybe now he thinks he owns Cirno.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3517/yugilulz922222gettoy.png

Trolling is pretty silly. I used to take part in the whole tripfriend troll business on /a/ about a year ago, but I got bored within a few months. I prefer posting as Anonymous.

Speaking of which, why are the current trolls so damn awful? It seems like nobody even puts effort into it anymore since people feed so easily. Then again, said tripfriends probably samefag their threads to oblivion, so who knows.

Dawson? Arc? Taiko? Bring back the real trolls. Hell, I'd even prefer athens' /r9k/ threads over these bot spammers.

>>1533584,25
Where did athens-kun go?

>>1533584,24
Case and point, the incentive of popularity is what keeps KoGs going. If there was no such thing as the name King of GETs he wouldn't have a motive to make those threads. On a true Anonymous imageboard, users like KoGs wouldn't exist.

>>1533584,19
>And you forget KoG never used a name/trip.
Three names to be exact, and one tripcode. Yami, KoGs, Yugi, and sometimes he posted under the full name King of GETs. Though he only did this in the first few months. Also, where did you think the name koGs came from in the first place? Did you think it just came out of thin air? http://www.youtube.com/user/kingofgets

Your argument has been debunked. Got anything else?

>>1533584,27
So you made your point, KoG is an attention whore of the worst kind who only keeps at it because he loves hearing people talking about him (like you are doing now). And? How is that related to what I posted in >>1533584,11->>1533584,12?

I was arguing that anonymous boards always lead to groupthink and circlejerking, which is exactly what the proponents of anonymous BBSes claim that anonymity avoids. Notice how I wasn't talking about shit users at all, I was just pointing out that essays like the one Shii wrote a joke a long time ago are a gigantic, hilarious lie.

>>1533584,26
Mainly /a/ and /r9k/. Maybe /v/ too, but I wouldn't know since I rarely browse the other boards these days.

>>1533584,25
Oddly enough, the second I stopped posting with a trip I no longer had the urge to troll people. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a mean and aggressive person, but long-term trolling just seems futile nowadays.

>>1533584,22
I only recall seeing the tripfriend Otonashi, during the day of the DNS hijack. (That was one of the best days on old /a/, by the way).

>>1533584,28
That should be:
>essays like the one Shii wrote a long time ago are a joke and gigantic, hilarious lie.

>>1533584,30
>the second I stopped posting with a trip I no longer had the urge to troll people.
The word "trolling" is completely devoid of meaning these days. Trolling essentially means playing devil's advocate and saying something that you don't necessarily believe in for the sole purpose of causing a riot.

Shitposting, spamming and etc isn't trolling.

This probably isn't related to your post, but if we're going to discuss trolls, I wanted to get that one out of the way right away.

>>1533584,32
Name an individual on 4chan that you consider a real troll.

>>1533584,32
I guess that means I've never trolled someone.

>Trolling essentially means playing devil's advocate and saying something that you don't necessarily believe in for the sole purpose of causing a riot.
>Shitposting, spamming and etc isn't trolling.

I was never the latter and most of the times I believed in the stuff I was saying, canceling out the former.

>>1533584,32
>In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Citation:
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=trolling&i=53181,00.asp#
http://kb.iu.edu/data/afhc.html

>>1533584,34
>most of the times I believed in the stuff I was saying
That's not really trolling, then.

Everything I posted when I was a tripfriend was complete bullshit. I would pretend to be a normalbro to stir things up when I was really a NEET, hate on loli when I was a lolicon, intentionally contradict myself to pull in hostile responses, insult people I respect, etc. I almost never meant a word I said.

>>1533584,35
I don't see how that goes against what I just said, it just extends it a bit more. The PC Mag one is spot on:
> (2) Posting derogatory messages about sensitive subjects on newsgroups and chat rooms to bait users into responding.

Shitposting because you're dumb isn't trolling: you must be aware of what you're doing, causing a shitstorm on accident because you truly are a retard doesn't make you an EPIC TROLL. Spamming isn't trolling either, because it's contentless.

>>1533584,36
I'm not sure I understand people like you. How is that fun?

>>1533584,38
He was just lonely and wanted someone to pay attention to him. Apparently, bad publicity is better than none at all.

>>1533584,28
>I was arguing that anonymous boards always lead to groupthink and circlejerking, which is exactly what the proponents of anonymous BBSes claim that anonymity avoids.
If that's your argument then I'll debunk it with 3 letters: "IRC"

Fact: the word Circlejerk is synonymous with the acronym IRC. On an Anonymous IRC, circlejerking would be virtually impossible. Seriously, how would one circlejerk on an IRC channel (like say) #/jp/ if all of the users on said channel shared the same identity?

There's some truth to your comments about group-think. But the ends justify the means. Because I am an Anon you will judge this post by its indisputable facts, not by the person that delivered said facts. If I was a tripfriend, your stawmens would cloud your (questionable) judgment. Likewise, had you been Arc I would have thought you were only saying this in order to justify your use of tripcodes.

>>1533584,40
Of course there's plenty of circlejerking in other communities. The point is that people claim full anonymity is the only way to prevent it, but the groupthink it causes can be even worse in some cases.

>>1533584,38
>How is that fun?
It's not. That's why I stopped after a few months.
>>1533584,39
Oh Jonesy!

>Anonymous Jones !TapsqdZp4A
Stop breathing.

>>1533584,3
>>I wouldn't have ever known since I ignore 95% of Type-Moon threads (honestly, how do they keep going over 100 posts from any old screenshot, picture, or random question?).

It's called being a fanboy.

I actually had to double check the date on this thread. It's a whole year later and certain people in this thread are still acting exactly the same.

>>1533584,44
>ZUN !barYV1VtIA
<3

>>1533584,42
Sail on, Alabama