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>>14596776

Giant Suika

That chart based on the fighting games shows that Okuu is the tallest 2hu at 187 cm

>>14596786
The same chart also shows Patchy as tall, when she's one of the shortest Touhou. That chart makes no sense.

Ichirin Kumoi's partners Unzan

>>14596776
Certainly not Marisa the midget. Pic related. Before you say anything, I think the values and the comparisons itself are quite bullshit. There really is no sure way of comparing Touhou heights since you guys bitch about official manga drawings from artists other than ZUN "aren't canon" and ZUN himself can't draw well enough to make a comparison.

>>14596968
Why would ZUN need to draw the heights to make them official?
He can just randomly throw numbers, state they're official and no one could do dick about it but accept the change.

>>14596989
That's not a bad idea. A shame that ZUN doesn't really care about things like that. One of my favorite things about LoLK is how directly he states things that normally make fans rage like Clownpiece being the outright strongest fairy, Hecatia is the highest ranking being, and just how strong the Lunarians are in his interview. Shame he doesn't clarify things this direct more often.

>>14596776
Suika when she grows.

Without magic, Rinnosuke.

Giantess thread?

>>14597023
Of course it's a good idea.
I'm god.

>>14597039
p-post more

>>14597041
Nah, you're an oni.

>>14596776
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN/ZUN%27s_E-mails

Yuugi is a big girl!

>>14597553
Big!

>>14596796
How do we know that Patchouli is short?

>>14598105
The biggest!

Youki.

>>14598144
Zun e-mails.

"However, backing up a bit...generally speaking, they're about as tall as girls in their early teens ['10代前半' means 10 to 14 years old]. A
suitable breakdown would be something like:
Tall: Sakuya, Meiling, Yukari
Fairly Tall: Reimu, Yuyuko, Alice, Letty, Ran
Fairly Short: Marisa, Youmu, Patchouli, Lunasa, Merlin
Short: Remilia, Lyrica, Chen, Cirno, Rumia, Flandre
Basically, if we consider the top level as the height of a human in her late teens or older ['10代後半以降' means 15 years old or above] and the bottom
level as the height of a human in her early teens ['10代前半' ], that puts them in a fairly short class (though none of that
level are human). If their sizes appear to be different on the game screen than given above, it's because of
some mystic force like perspective, so pay it no mind. :-)"

Even Zun says it there's no point in going after the "in game character height".

>>14598577
So every touhou is canonically a loli? No wonder ZUN is so irritated by secondaries.

>>14598734

yep, ZUN is lolicon

>>14598734
I'm pretty sure 14-16 teens are no longer prepubescent and don't fit in "lolis".

>>14598734
Yeah most of the Touhous are lolis, except for the "tall" category and maybe "Fairly tall".

>>14598771
ZUN stated 14 as the upper limit, and this is going by Japanese standards not western standards. At the very least, they're easily not even close to the old hag territory that the fanbase sticks over half of the cast into.

>>14598800
Reimu is "Fairly Tall" so I would say even "Tall" is suspect.

>>14598863
Nigga then explain characters like Yukari and Junko.

You're telling me 2hu has teenage mothers now and 1,200 year old 14 year olds?

ZUN is an inconsistent drunk fuck who likes to make up whatever to appease his annoying fans.

>>14598863
>ZUN stated 14 as the upper limit
Where? Are you misreading >>14598577 ?

>>14598863

>ZUN stated 14 as the upper limit
>10代後半以降' means 15 years old or above

>>14598931
Junko doesn't even look old though.

>>14599010
Fuck off with that "muh 2,000 year old lolis"

A cunt that's old is still old. Doesn't matter if its tight and pink.

>>14599056
Yes but we're talking about visually, and based on her art and proportions she looks like another loli, mother or not.

>>14599083
That's ZUN's excuse for shit art, senpai.

>>14598863
>ZUN: "Basically, if we consider the top level as the height of a human in her late teens or older"
>ZUN said the top level is 14
Hey, I've heard of this one. "Death of the Author", right?

>>14598993
>>14598966
Slightly misread yes, but people are taking that really overboard. Even the haggiest of the old hags is very close to loli in terms of proportions.

>>14599117
>But tall people are close in height to lolis, so they should all be lolis
"Late teens and above" is the point in your life when you're at your tallest. IIRC you stop growing sometime around 26.

>>14599117
Midgets aren't lolis.

>>14599117
>Comparing a character who used magic to escape death from old age to a loli
>Comparing the proportions of the only Touhou character with jiggle physics to a loli
>The character isn't even on the height chart

>>14599092
Why are you attacking Death of the Author when you are the one claiming that the author's official art is non-canon?

>>14599154
>>14599171
You do realize that childlike proportions, especially in that image, are more than just height right?

But then, you're just grasping at straws anyway because the same people that draw Hijiri as an old hag draw her as tall too.

>>14599190
Who are you quoting?

>>14599117
>very close to loli in terms of proportions

>>14599215
Midgets aren't lolis, senpai.

>>14599231
An ingame sprite is more canon than official art? This is why /v/ should stay out of these discussions.

>>14599117
Official art is really fucking inconsistent and ZUN seems to be unable to draw anything but lolis. In Hijiri's case the closest thing to an actual rendition is probably Symposium, which makes her petit and modest-busted but not the tall cowtit monster that secondary materials tend to portray her as.

Same goes for most of the "mature" touhous. Even Yuugi is clearly developing in her art, but saying they're all lolis is exaggerating. They're all a lot smaller than most people (secondaries) seem to think though.

>>14599288
There are tits in the official fighting games, in the official manga, and in the official art books. Just because ZUN can't draw an adult woman's body worth a damn doesn't mean every character is canonically a flat chested child.

>>14599516
What is "oppai loli" for 500, Alex.

That Kasen is pretty blatantly drawn as a child, some semblance of breasts or not.

>>14599534
>Oppai loli
What's the next meme you want to use in your arsenal? Feminine penis?

>>14599516
Hmm.

>>14599559
>japanese women are short
Well no fucking shit.

>>14599559
I don't even know who's arguing what right now, but are you also going to argue that Kasen canonically has no nose? Because that would be a dumb thing to argue.

>>14599587
In what countries are 7-9 year olds 158cm?

>>14599599
Yeah, arguing that Kasen has no nose or is short because of art is as ridiculous as arguing she has tits because of art.

Oh wait.

>>14599559
ching chong cartoon proportions aren't realist

>>14599288
Ignore the lolicon. >>14598577 that started all this includes ZUN saying to ignore how tall he draws the characters in-game.

>>14598577
This e-mail seems to be written right after PCB. So we don't know what he'd say about characters like Yuugi, Kanako, Kasen and Byakuren.

I'd say they're obviously not loli, but I think the fanbase drawing them as 2m tall and with enormous breasts aren't staying true to ZUN's original image of the characters.

>>14596776

>>14598577
So wouldn't it be somehow like this:
Tall: 5'5" and above
Fairly Tall: 5'2" to 5'5"
Fairly short: 4'10" to 5'2"
Short: <4'10"
I won't find any of the official art reliable enough either to compare side by side.

>>14600075
>Fairly Tall: 5'2" to 5'5"
Secondary literally thinks that Reimu is 5 feet tall. Just wow.

>>14600016
Pic related. You almost can't even tell Kanako has breasts to begin with, and Yuugi is nowhere near as big as she is in fan portrayals.

>>14600185
Yes, this is pretty much how I see them too.

>>14600185
That Kanako is adorable. Why on earth do people draw her as an old hag?

>>14600597
Memes

Why do people get so bothered that an otaku's doujin game is full of little girls?

Why do people also forget the average Japanese woman is flat and short, whether she's 12 or 40?

>>14600075
5'5 is already tall for a modern adult Japanese woman. 5'2 would be tall for someone in Gensokyo. "Fairly tall" would be 4'11 max.

>>14600636
Secondaries don't care about the source material and only want something to masturbate to. They'll push up the age of everyone in the game to better suit that end.

The really telling fact is that they keep dragging tits into a discussion about height. Preserving their sexual fantasy is the only thing that matters to them.

>>14600636
>average Japanese woman

The average Japanese woman isn't a youkai.

>>14600721
Most youkai are shorter than humans in Touhou for some reason or other.

>>14600716
>only want something to masturbate to
>push up the age of everyone
What horrible taste

>>14600746
Everyone freezing their aging probably has something to do withma it. Hell, Sakuya isn't even a youkai and she managed to do it.

>>14600016
I think the only other character height he has commented on being extremely tall since was Komachi. One of the printworks mentions her being intimidating because she is actually really tall on top of all the stuff she wears to make herself look even bigger.

>>14600746
Fucking femlets!

>>14600768
The majority of the H-doujinshi of Marisa "Homo-Loli" Kirisame (as well as pretty much everyone from the "quite short" height category) are not even tagged loli doujinshi. Even Remilia has nearly a third of her doujinshi as non-loli. The others in her height category just don't have very many H-doujinshi to begin with.

Also, when filtering for english-translated H-doujinshi instead of raws the proportion of loli doujinshi shrinks by half in nearly every case.

In short, there's a clear correlation between hating loli and being a secondary. It's no surprise that Kancolle, which panders to these same secondaries, features older women as many of its most prominent heroines.

>>14600838
Then I'm glad that all those circles jumped ship if they weren't being true to the source material and contaminating it with old hags

>>14600857
I just wish Kadokawa knew how to keep their continuity alive. At the rate things are going the "annoying people" ZUN was talking about won't be entirely gone, and in fact will probably be crawling back by the end of the decade.

>>14597023
While it's interesting when an artist goes against their usual pattern, I can't help but worry that it's a bad omen.

>>14600838
>features older women as many of its most prominent heroines.
Isn't Thongpiece a loli? She's like the most prominent one.

>>14601143
Not really, she looks like a late teens girl

Patchouli will never shrink me and keep me in her nylons ;-;

Who's the shortest 2hu, apart from Sukuna?

I'd be considered tall in the Touhou verse at 5'4"


Can we make Gensoukyo real?

>>14601418
>Touhou verse
Average real live Japanese female height is like 5'2. (unless you're a female, you'd be short/average even in Gensokyo for a guy.)

How tall would Yuuka be?

>all these people measuring height in inches and other western shit
It's like you guys forgot we're in Gensokyo.

>>14598577
ZUN can suck a dick

Tittyhus for life

>>14600838
>The majority of the H-doujinshi of Marisa "Homo-Loli" Kirisame (as well as pretty much everyone from the "quite short" height category) are not even tagged loli doujinshi.

Maybe that's because Marisa isn't a fucking loli. She's a teenage girl.

>>14601409
I'm gonna have to go with Lily White.

>>14601695
Height isn't even related to boob size. A girl could be a midget and still have giant tits.

>>14600597
Because it's a reasonable thing to do?