/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Last thread is at >>14350118, just in case.

I can't believe my 2hu has games.

Dude what the fuck is that OP it's just a videogame.

On another note, I still can't beat MS Lunatic. Shinki's version of Devil's Recitation just leaves me a quibbering mess. I don't fucking know what to do because Yumeko on Lunatic is like being castrated without anesthetics.

Let's talk about how retarded is to run into a bullet while chasing a UFO.
Every time.

>>14439898
I do sooo much better when I ignore the UFOs but I cannot stop myself from doing it for more than a few waves of enemies.

>>14439898
>Not completely ignoring the UFOs

Speaking of StB.
What's this? Newspaper Extra 1?
It shows up after the EX stages, but the wiki doesn't have anything like that listed and it doesn't show any spellcards or requirements to unlock either.
Is it a bug?

>>14439938
Canceled DLC.

>>14439898
designate their timing and spacing, I've almost got down what UFOs will spawn at certain parts of the stages, so I'll know when and where I should be to get them safely

touhou games are fun!

>>14439897
>Dude what the fuck is that OP it's just a videogame.
Couldn't help the way I felt, man.

Now I feel stupid, though. This scene wasn't much of a roadblock at all, in fact it's rather easy now that I've done it and not even worth the 491 shots I spent on it. In retrospect I've wasted most of my attempts failing at memorising the initial moves; the part highlighted in the OP I mastered very quickly, and the final two photos are basically free. I am bird-brained.

>>14439917

>>14439938
They're hidden extras.

>>14439859
If you like StB, DP, and Impossible Spellcard should play 战斗天邪鬼　～ Shatter All Spell Card. It's really fun and challenging. It's basically IS with Miracle Mallet only and the difficulty of StB and DP.

OP, when I saw your image, I felt some nostalgia and wound up giving another good college try at some of the STB scenes that I hadn't captured yet. Just beat 5-6 and 8-8.

OP, when I saw your image, I felt some nostalgia and wound up giving another good college try at some of the STB scenes that I hadn't captured yet. Just beat 5-6 and 8-8.

edit: image now properly cropped

>>14441217
Thanks, I'll remember it! Though, it will be a while before I get to it since I have yet to start either Double Spoiler or Impossible Spell Card... I've come to like this type of games a lot from StB alone.

>>14441244
Congratulations, anon. Did you go on to capture the rest of the spell card like in your screenshot? It's a very risky way of doing that. It makes me want to revisit it and give it a proper try. In my run, I captured it rather hastily and with few points, albeit, in fact, on my fourth restart.

>touhou
>difficulty
>difficult
Touhou is not difficult.
Only self-made constraints can make it difficult.

>>14442694
post scores

>>14442694
Post your score then fagtron.
You'll probably play in normal or hard anyways.

>>14442841
>>14442874
isnt the point of the game to view the good ending

>>14442882
You may as well play on easy if you are that weak lol.

>>14442841
>>14442874
The bait that never fails.

>>14442905
>it was just bait
The go to response for damage control
Good work chump!

>>14442908
Not him. I'm just observing. Chances are you met that autistic semantic-argumentfag who'll out-argue both of you with his pure nonsense.

>>14442918
>that autistic semantic-argumentfag
You mean it's the same person every time?

>2hu
エス エム エーチ ティー ビー エーチ ファム

>>14443141
>エス エム エーチ ティー ビー エーチ ファム
what did he mean by this?

>>14443141
Give him a break he's probably a secondary that started to play the games recently and feels like a primary already.

>>14443355
>secondary
only tertiaries use that term

>>14443355
I don't know what's special about this post but after I read it and spent half an hour in vain thinking of anything to say I nearly broke down in tears. It's time for me to stop posting.

>>14439859
Now I'm working on beating DDC's Hard mode.

I'm slowing progressing, so that's good!

Post your 1cc/Extra clear chart. Filling it in is good motivation!

>>14443555
I don't know why I still haven't played LoLK yet.

>>14443555
You can kind of see where I gave up on ZUN's new games.

>>14443942
LoLK is good.

>>14443954
I don't think it is. But take my opinion with a grain of salt. I like the old games (EoSD-PoFV) more than anything newer, even though I know that some of them are quite good games (e.g MoF, GFW).

>>14443555
Where's 01-05

>>14443555

No survey this year?

>>14442905
The score that never gets posted

>>14442874
>>14442841
scoring difficulty != game difficulty

>>14444628
Bet you haven't even cleared lunatic then.

>>14444588
If you have one of those fancy 120 or 144 hz monitors and set the fps higher than 60, will it actually display each frame?

>>14444646
Touhou games throw too many resources your way to be remotely difficult.

>>14444684
So you didn't. Cool.

>>14444588
Easy modo?!

>>14444684
post scores

>>14443555
2hu 2hard lmfao

01:
02: E
03:
04: E N
05: E
06: E
07: E
08: E
09: E
10: E
11: E
12: E
13: E
14: E
15: E (Only w/ reisen)

>>14444854
>03:
sad

>>14444854
>01 and 03
anon i...

>>14443555
UFO is hard.

6-14 on Normal
6, 7, 10 on Hard
6, 7, 8, 10, 14 on Ex

>>14445112
Why no 6 on lunatic? Seems like it'd be a lot easier than some of the others. I gave it a couple shots after beating 6 on hard and thought that I could probably do it with enough practice. And I suck at these games.

>>14445147
I never actually played 6 consistently, so I'm pretty bad at it. Someday I'll revisit it.

>>14443555
>not including the easy column
well mem'd, my friendo

>>14443555
Y-yeah
I suck at Touhou still
Working on that PCB normal 1cc

>>14443555
>making a separate column for phantasm
pcbfags...

>he still plays 2hu
>he still thinks 2hu is difficult
only on the jay will you see this level of downs

>>14445733
Knew that OP would attract antagonistic Cave fags

>>14445748
she's just a troll

>>14442841
>>14442874
I Ura-looped Ketsui. What've you done in your little girly pew pew games, queers?

>>14445749
I know, but it still kills off potential talk about Cave games in STG threads.

>>14445733
Aren't most of the bullets there just as background material while the ones with an actual hitbox just not so much?

>>14445753
>touhou is too easy for me
>post proof
>posts about a different game
it's not like anyone cares to discuss how good you are anyways, if you hate touhhou just leave this thread. There is a shmup general on /vg/, we can discuss your favourite game there if you want and are not just a shitposter

>>14445303
You can do it anon!

>>14445805
Everytime I try to play Touhou I ultimately get bored as fuck. The only way I can see you people play Touhou seriously is if it's the only videogame you've ever played in your life.

>>14445813
come play soku with us

>>14445805
Why would a master pianist waste time playing a jew's harp?

>>14445838
Why would a master pianist waste time shitposting in threads about a jew's harp?

>>14445848
Good job missing the point, also because shitposting is fun.

Does playing the piano well mean being good at touhou? Some people I knew that played the piano great can only clear normal with one or more continues, well others that never played the piano before 1cc'd hard and lunatic

>>14445910
He means that he's basically a miniature living god when it comes to shooting games and therefore every game that isn't basically the hardest in the world is child's play to him.

>>14445910
The metaphor is that the master pianist is the CAVE expert who has better things to do than bother with playing inferiour doujin shooters like 2hu (the jew's harp), which are obviously very far below his standards and thus would not at all hold his interest or attention.

cavefags have such napoleon syndrome

>>14445924
You are right. Many of the Touhou games are very mediocre. ZUN created some good games by accident, more or less (PCB comes to mind). And you're also right when you say they're mostly very easy clears, even on lunatic. PoDD, and to an extent UFO, aren't as simple, but overall no ball busters.

So yes, overall, Touhou is mediocre. But it's not like CAVE is much different in that regard. They have some really good games (Ketsui, DOJ), but they also made a lot of crappy STGs like Futari or Daifukkatsu. Literally every company has made shitty STGs. CAVE, Psykio, Raizing, Toaplan, Team Shanghai Alice. They all made bad games. And they all made some good games as well.
Why you are prancing around in the thread like you're some kind of shmup connoisseur with superior tastes is beyond me when you are clearly just exhibiting ignorance of the good Touhou games while sucking CAVE's dick.

So you have two options: Either you just fuck off and discuss your favorite shmups where there's a place for them (the STG general on /vg/ was mentioned, for example) or you grow up and actually discuss the Touhou games instead of just shitting on them without knowing anything about them other than "muh CAVE is better".

But all CAVE games are exactly the same.
You play one of them, you played them all.

Touhou at least has variety, every game feels different.
With CAVE it's the same purple/pink/blue bullets and the same patterns in every game.

>>14445924
I think the "Jew's harp" is meant almost literally as touhou has Jewish symbolism appearing throughout and is as a game a very musical experience. Comparing CAVE to piano meant to liken playing the piano to mere mindless and repetitive memorization of scales and such, instead of a means of expressing one's soul through music inspired by living and the world itself.

>>14446076
Cant argue with the godtier music

>>14446052
These flashing purple projectiles are the reason i'm averse to try Cave shooters out. Also the voice spam thing is super annoying, but i hope you can turn these off in the menu.

haven't played since LoLK came out and now everybody can kick my ass.

>>14446445
Yes the voice can be off

there goes the janigger deleting posts he doesn't like again

i'll bet 1 (one) hour of nude streaming the op of this thread doesn't even score

LoLK's Hard mode is equivalent to which other game and difficulty?

Why the fuck is there a touhou games general on a touhou games board

/jp/ is dead

>>14447079
Well, congratulations, you are very good at Touhou...

Eh, the cheesy OP was intended to make the average new player feel good about himself by validating his experience. It may have been overdone. I didn't realise it would also attract elitists as they now take the opportunity to belittle my skills, but that's for the greater good, I guess.

Yes, I'm a beginner player who started only this autumn, and of course I struggle with basic challenges which for me are very difficult. yes, to assume such a stance as expressed in the op was deplorable of me. I don't know if I'll -ever- score because... really I don't see myself reaching that level of skill anyway. Maybe in two years from now I'll be as good as a real player would be two weeks after playing his first shmup--or not. I watched a few scoring replays of the first windows games and a stream of th12.8, and it didn't look very fun to me, actually.

Honestly I wish this thread would die soon. I can't deal with this community shit even on an anonymous website: as it always goes, I make a mistake, I get shit on, I take it personally. I'll play my easy games in peace from now on. I apologise to everyone.

>>14447577
You can get better if you try! Don't give up, anonymous!

Every achievement is good, no matter how small it is!

--> GOOD OTAKU SITE <--
http://otakunet.me/

>>14447436
that feel

>>14447577
noob

>>14447395
TD easy

>>14447906
Here's your reply.

>>14443555
Haven't played for a while.

>>14443555
don't wanted to lose more time for some difficulty

Does not being able to move diagonally affect gameplay? I've not been able to do that since I first played it so I don't know.

>>14448367
Yes it does, you should get that checked out.

>>14448367
For me, tapping the direction keys (i.e. moving in a stair-like trajectory) is way more precise and consistent than hitting two keys at once and actually trying to move diagonal. But that's more like a keyboard-only strat.

>>14443555

>>14448367
A lot.

>>14448367
Of course, most dense spells will require you to move in small circles and do similar parabolic movements.

>>14448374
>>14448413
>>14448442
>>14448450
I only knew of it when my friend came over to play and was surprised that he couldn't move diagonally. Time for a new keyboard if it may help me to play better.

>>14447687
It's mostly my issue of being so goddamn vulnerable to asshats who are supposedly the true fans of touhou. I try to respect my superiors but at this point this is nonsense. thank you anon, I'll pull through once i regain my drive to play.

>>14448367
It does by a lot. Your keyboard probably can't register that many inputs at once on certain keys.
the solution for this other than buying a new keyboard is to use autohotkey and create a script to remap the keys to something your keyboard can register.
For example, i like playing in a laptop and since most laptops have bad keyboards and changing them are not easy i use autohotkey to remap the directional keys to (Z,X,D,C) and the Z,X,Shift and C buttons to (M,K,L,;). Works like a charm.

>>14448543
Why did you even spoiler that? It's so fucking obvious you just came here from /v/ it hurts.
The reason STG general threads died here is because they were terrible and had no discussion but trolling and shitposting (just like this one). They were like leprosarium which even janitor didn't want to touch. That's why these threads migrated to /v/ where shitposting is a common way of discussing things.
So you shouldn't have been surprised with those kind of responses.

>>14448602
i liked the ones with the challenges

>>14448602
>you shouldn't have been surprised
See, I don't come from /v/, I don't even read it. I don't come from... anywhere much, unless you count /b/ from 2007 to 2009, at which point I largely left 4chan until now when I remembered there was this containment board for touhoufags and there I found a really sweet thread. I only had that one to go by, full of innocent fun. Learning is painful!

>>14448543
>>14448711
Great blog! Where do I subscribe?

>>14448602
>They were like leprosarium which even janitor didn't want to touch
Well now the dumb custodial fuck can't keep his grubby kike fingers off of it, so I hope you're happy

>>14448808
>Where do I subscribe?
fucking newfags..

Any reason to style change to power if speed gives more to spread stats and the character is all spread-based? Almost always when I see a power style change it always gives a lot of focus and little spread. Does going power give you more focus attacks or something?

Mokou has only spread attacks so speed gives more "power" in her case from what I'm seeing.

I suck, but I'm getting better.

>>14450078
If that's what it looks like then go ahead. Sometimes a style gives more to the highest stat and others balances the stats and gives a move pool to go with it.

>>14450121
I see. I don't see any reason going for power though when I have no focus skills. Seems rather pointless to me.

Also, posted on the wrong thread. Sorry.

>>14445303
I know that feel anon. I might pick any of the games up again, but for now I'll stick to reading official manga and
translations for my canon information.

>>14450228
you only really know a touhou if you fought her a hundred times

>>14450228
Y-yeah. I would've finished PCB by now if I didn't have so many other games to play, currently doing EO3.

So I just started playing Touhou with Scarlet Mist incident and all I can say is how the fuck do you guys even play this thing without dying? I can't even pass the 4th stage

>>14450377
It gets easier after you practice for a while.

>>14450377
it takes some getting used to

>>14450377
It's hard on the first try. You started on normal or easy? EoSD doesn't show your character's hitbox so it's a bit harder to detect if you are gonna hit or not.

>>14450419
Started on Easy but didn't get anywhere until the 3rd stage. Decided to start wit the normal difficulty instead in order to "learn" a bit faster. So far I'm managing to get to the 4th stage but I keep dying whenever I meet Patchoulli

>>14450419
Showing your exact hitbox pretty much doesn't matter on Easy and Normal (outside of getting a general sense of where it is), especially in EoSD where there really isn't much tight dodging. Not really the problem.

>>14450428
well since the person that anon replied to is a beginner that needs to get a sense of where the hitbox is it does matter

>>14450453
Yeah, I'm not saying otherwise, just that the density of EoSD's patterns don't really make the exact precise location a necessity to understand. Your whole sprite is generally enough buffer for most patterns; at that level, especially when you've literally just started, knowing how not to panic and overcompensate by dashing into other bullets is more important to get down. Adjusting to the mentality of visualizing the space between bullets rather than the bullets themselves is another big one.

>>14450377
win genetic lottery and be born talented

>>14450377
Do you know that you can move slower by holding down shift? You don't know how many beginners I seen that don't know that and try to do the entire game in unfocused speed.

>>14451830
>beginners that don't know that and try to do the entire game in unfocused speed.
*raises paw in shame*

>>14451999
what are you, a fucking furry?

>>14451999
>*raises paw in shame*
>>>/trash/

>>14452101
He's probably a dumb crossie from /v/ that thinks he's funny.

>>14450557
Water & Wood Sign "Water Elf" always gives me a heart attack though when I play on Lunatic.

>>14450426
Touhou games are all about exploiting safespots. Go watch a replay and learn a route and it will become easy as bullying Youmu.

>never played 2hu
>fire up EoSD
>diagonal movement isn't slower than horizontal/vertical movement

Dropped. You people have shit taste.

>>14454230
It's completely awful. No idea why you would want that.

>>14454230
What? If you're claiming that diagonal movement isn't normalized, of course it is. This isn't Garegga.

>>14452868
>when I play on Lunatic
...That's why I specified on Easy and Normal in the previous post, anon.

im so good i can clear 1ccs of touhou 10-15 on lunatic without continuing omg

>>14454243
Why would wanting more precise movement be awful?

>>14454287
Sure didn't seem like it. Also, Garegga doesn't have normalized movement vectors either. Go play a Cave or Psikyo shmup and push a diagonal direction to see what I mean.

>>14454230
I noticed that too before I even knew what it was or how other games had it. Diagonal movement is just too fast in Touhou. That said I roll with the fake difficulty because Touhou is more than just a shmup for me.

>>14454514
>Also, Garegga doesn't have normalized movement vectors either.
That was the point. Garegga's isn't normalized, Touhou's is.

Just hit the bottom of the screen and compare moving right versus moving down-right. You can even calculate it out if you need to (Marisa moves 5px/f horizontally on right, 3.5355 on down-right). If you're playing EoSD though, one thing that's probably tripping you up with movement is input lag, since EoSD's and PCB's can get pretty bad.

>>14454644
This. If Touhou diagonal movement isn't normalized, than why is moving in downward diagonal on the bottom of the screen slower (and hence sometimes recommended for easier micrododging)?

>>14454994
because when moving diagonally, the horizontal and vertical velocity component vectors are shorter, while the bisecting diagonal vector is the same as the horizontal/vertical vector when moving only horizontally/vertically

I finally 1cc'd PCB, with 3 lives left. The game is actually easy if you abuse bombs and borders. I only captured 9 spellcards.

>>14456796
>The game is actually easy if you abuse bombs

The same can be said about every other Touhou game.

>>14456803
Only PCB has the border gimmick, making it possible to 1cc it without actually dodging all that much. Only MoF allows for more abusing.

>>14456982
All Touhou games allow for simillar abusing with certain shot types.

>>14456982
>Only MoF, SA and UFO allows for more abusing
fixed

How do i beat Gengetsu?
Her second and fourth set of patterns always eat all my lives, like, how i'm i supossed to make that weird "][" movement before her master spark?

>>14457066
you forgot ddc and lolk

>>14457066
>>14457179
You both forgot about the game with "press one button to get completely invulnerable for 10 seconds while doing extra damage."

>>14457179
>DDC
Only if you are playing with Marisa B
>LoLL
Only if you are playing with sanae to be able to graze while bombing, otherwise you need to play in a high difficulty and actually be good enough to graze.

>>14457200
that's scoring so it's ok

>>14457208
Someone doesn't know about SakuyaA.

>>14457270
>Sakuya A
How the hell are her bombs more abusabe than Masrisa B?

>>14457295
not more abusable, but abusable enoug hto make the game a joke
>>14457208
200 graze in lunatic is free, you literally don't need to do anything on most attacks

>>14457295
Not the bomb, her shot type.
She slows down bullets, including boss fights, and does tons of damage when you explode the knives faster by releasing focus.

Some of Sukuna's spellcards on Lunatic that took me 50-100 tries to capture with Marisa, with SakuyaA I captured 5 times in a row on my first try without even trying too much.
The shot type balance in that game is non-existent.

>>14457295
You get 2 PoCs per bomb with her, that in addition to permanent invulnerability and a shot that makes every pattern easier, turns game overs during bomb play into an impossibility unless you're suiciding for score.

>>14443555
Working on PCB lunatic.
My clearing ability seems to be directly proportionate to how good Marisa is in a given game.

>>14457317
>>14457351
I wans't talking about shotype in general i was talking about bombs, and Marisa B is by far much more broken. Also i'm pretty sure that Marisa has a higher damage output, if you think otherwise it's probably because Sakuya's homing knifes don't need you to stay directly at th boss.

>>14457689
>You get 2 PoCs per bomb with her
Again, how the hell is that more abusable than Marisa B? With her bomb you get alot of items in the higher difficulties, a long time of invulniverability even after the bomb finishes the animation since the black void stays for a while and you can keep spamming them even in boss battles because it converts almost any type of bullet in an item.

>>14457869
>Only if you are playing with Marisa B
Was in the original post I quoted. No need to have a dickwaving contest about which shot type is more busted.

Is hecatia the hardest extra now?

>>14458067
The point of the conversations was about bomb abuse in the first place, you are the ones that started talking about busted shot types so you should take your own advice.

>>14458426
Yes but only because lunatic impact is stupid hard and Junko's nonspells come out of nowere.

>>14458426
Nope, pacifist LLS EX is.

>>14458577
What about pacifist hecatia?

>>14458538
I don't need to take my own advice because everything I've said about SakuyaA is true. You don't need to dodge any bullets as her since the X button will carry you through the game. Now fuck off.

why wont any1 strmmmmmm

>>14459577
Strming was a mistake.

>>14459577
Stream this!
*fires aimed cluster of bullets*

>>14459577
Why watch strms when you can play? Are you homosexual?

>>14459682
why suffer when you can watch someone else suffer

>>14459686
The unworthiness is strong in this one.

>>14444444

>>14458937
ReimuA is better.

Ah shit I keep on death bombing in EoSD.
Fuck am I just too casual or something?
Also how are the later games?
I've only played 6.7 and 8

>>14461427
>Ah shit I keep on death bombing in EoSD.
That isn't really a bad thing.

>>14461671
So death bombing doesn't make a casual then?

>>14461833
What exactly is your definition of death bombing?

PoFV's story mode is a joke. It all comes down to luck: whether the CPU is going to run into a bullet or not.

>>14462203
The AI is tied to a timer. It may get hit sooner, but depending on difficulty and stage, everyone dies on a timer except Eiki in the first round. Stop complaining because you're shit at the game.

>>14462512
>everyone dies on a timer except Eiki in the first round

When does Eiki die in the first round?

>>14462512
how do you get good

>>14462564
She only dies by accident in the first round. So never, technically. You have to lose the first round.

>>14462574
With a lot of quality practice.

>>14462729
So is there any benefit to try and survive as long as possible on the first round?
Or is it better to just suicide right away and try winning starting from round 2?

>>14462788
You get points, other than that, there isn't really any. Some people might abhor the idea of losing on purpose, especially since you might luck out and kill her anyway because your character is strong (Medicine, Aya and to a lesser extent Reimu wreck the AI). If you don't give a shit about any of that, you might as well just charge your gauge up a bit for round 2 and kill yourself then.

>>14461867
Well you know how in the split second where you die, if you press the bomb button you stay alive at the cost of two bombs.
It's that
Is it called something else?

>>14462990
Oh, you're thinking of IN?
Well that's part of that game's mechanics so I wouldn't call it casual per se.
And you're paying two bombs for it so I'd say it's fair.
It does teach you some bad habits though.

However you were talking about EoSD previously.
In EoSD death bombing doesn't cost you two bombs, just one but the timing is really strict.
I'm not sure why you think it's considered casual though?
It requires quite a bit of fast refexes to be able to successfully death bomb in time consistently, unless you're trying to get hit on purpose.
If you can death bomb, you should be glad, it's better than losing a life.

Now I've done it. All scenes clear! Thanks to /jp/ for having helped me do it.

>>14463519
Congratulations! I am still 46 scenes short of clearing. For some reason I can't seem to clear Hollyhock Sign "Mito no Mitsukuni".

>>14464547
I believe this is how I did it... Stay beneath Keine in "charge" mode and allow yourself to be trapped by the intersecting lasers. It may look scary but it's perfectly safe. After the lasers are gone, take the picture to clear incoming bullets and capture Keine with them, and get to charging again. Take zoomed shots if necessary.

>>14464770
Thanks anon, I finally cleared it after many tries. The score was trash though, and just thinking about playing that spell again makes me want to cry.

>>14465071
Congrats on that much, anon. Too many shots with zoom? You can always go back to get a better score so long as you don't give up.

Really where this game is going to test you is your endurance. There's nothing repeated grinding won't fix, but whether you can handle it is another question, at least if you're anything like me.

In my experience, if you want to see early whether you can beat StB at all, you can go for scene 9-6. It's one torture chamber of a scene, the hardest in the game, but clearing it is like cresting a hill; winning the decisive battle. Quite simply, after that, you'll know that no matter what it is you're facing, it's easier than the dreaded scene 9-6. It also makes you better at dodging.

Is it just my game or does DDC have really, really quiet background music.
I have to turn my speaker volume up to about halfway to hear the game clearly compared to other 2hus which I get more than enough sound at <25% speaker volume.

>>14465409
Thank you for the advice anon, cleared another scene after repeatedly grinding again. The immense satisfaction of clearing a spell after numerous tries is really indescribable.

I really like this thread, I guess when you feel a game like this just as much something like OP feels really encouraging. Don't listen to 'em OP, this fandom has some really salty people and for no reason at all.

Either way only missing 6/7/14 lunatic. Somehow can't bring myself to do it because I haven't been inspired enough to play, I guess. Cleared ULiL lunatic a couple days ago tho. Fun times.

I was having trouble with PofV Lunatic playing with Komachi, then I switched to Aya and did it on my first try with 3 lives left. Playing with the AI is no fun, because it can handle what humans would consider difficult patterns with ease yet falls flat to easy but fast ones, making it super easy for some characters and hard as balls for others. I want to play against humans but I'm scared of being bullied by truNEETs.

>>14465546
the only characters that completely break the game are medicine and aya, others can still kill the ai, when they're not supposed to but don't do so that often

So, my new computer doesn't allow me to shoot, bomb and focus at the same time. Fuck.

>>14465486
Naicee. I dunno about you, but does going to the music room and clearing a stage you've been stuck on forever and listening to the boss theme give you the great feeling of a battle you weathered and defeated with all your might? Something about touhou i swear, just Japanese games period.. They really seem to capture the difficulty to a t. Like, well, this is how hard it would be fighting an oni in real life, go for it. Maybe its me. idk.

>>14465559
Are you sure it's not just the keyboard?

>>14439897
This. Last levels of Lunatic MS are almost impossible. Still, I don't know how but I managed to get a Yumeko NMNB once. Too bad that Shinki rapes me every time.

>>14448560
>not using the original configuration

Is GFW hard as balls or am I just bad at it?

>>14466165
For me at least, the original configuration wasn't, and isn't, worth relearning.

I had much better coordination with the WASD configuration which I had developed from playing the FPS genre so I didn't see why I shouldn't set up my Touhou to use the same. I bomb with spacebar and shoot with the mouse button under my thumb.

>>14466187
It's not an easy game overall but I've heard that it is actually harder on the lower difficulties because there are not enough bullets for the freeze gimmick.

>>14466198
Nigga, the default is the best (for the shooters, at least). You slow with ring, shoot with middle and bomb with index. TD's C is for fags.

>>14465486
That's the joy of it. I have to say though, from my point of view, clearing that spell card so quickly is impressive even if you may feel that it took you long. I gave it a couple dozen more tries but I'm just not really consistent at it and the score I get is trash; my rate is at best 1 clear per 4-5 restarts with mad unfocused dodges. I have no problem with Keine's crossing lasers though...

>>14465517
Danmaku in general is insane for me with the amount of effort I have to put in merely to do 1cc's, but it's fun to be sure, and my skill is slowly growing. The realisation that others rank higher than me in natural ability and so don't feel the same level challenge that I do was a sad one, but at the end of the day, these games have the potential to be difficult for perhaps everyone.

>>14466229
Really, it sounds like a sweet setup but I wonder if anyone has ever successfully switched from WASD to default controls.

>>14466198
Wait, wait, wait...

You shoot using the mouse?
Jesus fuck.

>>14466198
how do you focus?

>>14466283
Don't you have it always pressed anyway? Sometimes you have to spam it but that doesn't change much. It's nice for me to have my hand at the mouse when I'm playing Touhou, even if I use it just for one button.

>>14466290
Shift with my little finger. Same hand that does the movement and bomb.

>>14466253
Is 4-5 considered hard? I cleared it in 100 shots, don't remember it as a hard card. 10-2 and 10-4, on the other hand, took me 1200 shots each. But I think I was doing 10-4 wrong for the longest time, trying to fight the 5th and 6th photos heads on instead of wide streaming it. 9-6 was a nightmare too.

>>14466266
Before I started playing shmups, I played FPS a lot with WASD. I never bothered to remap the keys for WASD controls and I think that's the closest you will get to people switching from WASD to default. No way someone ever went from default to WASD and then back to default. If you're uncomfortable with default and WASD, then you're likely to stick with the latter because it's more common in gaming, whereas if you're comfortable with the default settings, there is no need to change in the first place.

>>14466328
Do you mean 5-5? 4-5 was easy for me as well.

Hell, 5-5 probably isn't supposed to be hard. Even the way it's placed suggests that it's intended to be a moderate card. I just have a physical disability or something that prevents me from perceiving the relative location and velocity of bullets on screen when they're all over the place like in 5-5. Everything I know goes out of the window. It was my first roadblock in StB. In the main games when this comes up as part of an otherwise easy boss's repertoire, I just bomb there because I can't deal with this type of danmaku.

>10-2 and 10-4
On 10-4 I went for wide streaming first, 10-2 I somehow completed within 200 shots. Just dodged through it all. I think it was luck.

I had the most problem with 10-5 and 10-6 on that stage, 1800 shots and 1200 respectively. It's a good thing I didn't care anymore since doing 9-6 pretty much destroyed my sense of exasperation.

>>14466365
Maybe that's why I suck then.

>>14465609
It really does have that feeling. I do enjoy watching my replays every while and then and feel relieved to actually cleared those spells. I am not particularly good at shmups in general but man they sure are fun.

>>14466393
>I had the most problem with 10-5 and 10-6 on that stage, 1800 shots and 1200 respectively. It's a good thing I didn't care anymore since doing 9-6 pretty much destroyed my sense of exasperation.
Eh, it's funny how people find different spellcards to be the most difficult ones. I "only" took 360 and 190 for these. I also reried 9-6 for the heck of it and got it in less than 10 tries. It feels good to have improved since then. Luck may have been involved though.

How do I stop panicking during crisis? Take half of her HP and then die twice in row.

I just cleared s4 in EoSD on lunatic for the first time.

One day I will get to t07

>>14466393
How many times for 9-2?

>>14467737
42 shots. I honestly had no problem with that spell.

PCB is the only game where I've ever beaten an extra stage and I've only done it twice ever after failing a billion times, I'll never bee good at this shit.

I can't even REACH the EX bosses in SA and LoLK.

I'll never get good at this.

I want to play someone in Soku but i am terrible at that too, haven't played it in a while and no one plays it anymore anyway.

>>14467886
You won't get good with that attitude, true. Most people struggle with first clears of everything. You know all those people here with several lunatic clears and LNBs? They were as bad as you at one point, but kept on playing and improving. If you don't give up and exploit your options properly, you will be able to clear everything and more.

Fuck, my Logitech F310 controllers keep breaking. I like Logitech's floating d-pad design, but the build quality is kind of shit. One had the trigger I use for focus stop working, and the other has a problem with the d-pad. On the other hand, they're only $15 each so it's easy to just keep buying them. Anyone have a good alternative controller that isn't the expensive as fuck genuine saturn controllers?

>>14468670
keyboards.

>>14468707
That's not comfy though, and I'm too used to using a controller at this point.

truxton was here
touhou is shit

>>14468731
Nobody cares lmao.

>>14468445
>You know all those people here with several lunatic clears and LNBs? They were as bad as you at one point, but kept on playing and improving.
I wasn't. Well maybe when i was a little kid and started playing gradius.

>>14468914
There's always some people who learn really quickly, but as a general rule, getting good takes a while. That's all I was trying to say.

>>14468910
Your feeling the need to reply is enough to prove your butthurtness.

>>14468937
>laughing at you is butthurness

If that makes you feel better about yourself then it can be whatever you want ;)

>>14467886
Just set yourself realistic goals. If you already managed to beat the extra in PCB then that's a good start since that means you know how to stream. For a lot of people LoLK and SA have the hardests extras so i suggest you to beat the rest first or get a few 1ccs more. In my experience the easiest extras are MoF, PoFV and TD. Also IN is pretty doable once you practice the spells thought it has some really hard spellcards.

All it takes is dedication, patiente and willpower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubty9b8nJYs

touhou X undertale

>>14468968
all it takes is talent and luck in winning the genetic lottery

>>14470329
Would you rather be born 6'2" with Jake Gyllenhaal's hairline or be able to LNB Subterranean Animism in 20 hours of play?

>>14470164
Where do I download this?

May someone link an Imperishable Night that actually works?
My sincerest thanks.

>>14470716
Never mind, finally found one.

>>14470345
the latter

>>14470716
IN is garbage. Play some PCB instead.

>>14471089
Either IN is incredibly easy, or EoSD has made me a good player.

>Start up DDC
>reach Cirno on first stage
>immediately shove my face into her crotch
>realise this isn't TD
>get killed by her first volley of bullets

Embarassing first-level deaths?

>>14471105
Dying because I went to auto-collect and the boss crashed into me moving into position.

>>14471105
Who are you quoting?

>>14471111
Wriggle best football player

>>14471105
Excellent chevrontext my friend, but you should point-blank in most shumps as the rate of fire is faster when you are closer therefore you can kill enemies faster by applying more dps.

>>14448367
Can we talk about len'en in here?

I've been trying to learn some soku combos, currently with Reisen. What does the number in brackets mean? example 6B(2)

>>14472057
It means you only want two of the bullets to hit.

>>14472075
Alright, thanks. I don't think wiki mentions that

>>14471996
Len'en a shit.
A BIG ONE A GRATE ONE!!!

The third one is better than any Touhou game, but /jp/ is too elitist to admit that.

>>14472303
Says who? you? Don't make me laugh.

>>14472303
Len'en 3 feels like what IN should have been.

>>14470345
I was already born 6'3, and my hairline is no worse than Gyllenhaal's. In fact, I've been compared to him in looks before. All that remains for me is to get gud and I'll be the ultimate package.

Retard plays Touhou: the screenshot.

How can I keep failing an easy scene after exactly 6 hours spent on it? Nobody knows.

To add insult to injury, I can't even take a screenshot normally so I had to do it like this.

>>14473148
Just wait until you get to Iku's laser pentagrams
With Hatate

>>14471091

IN is the easiest game senpai

>>14473232
>>14440736

>>14473148
Anon, are you playing 640x480 windowed resolution? Or were you playing fullscreen and pressing p to save a screenshot didn't work?

Regardless, that's a lot of shots taken to clear this scene.

>have a bad day at the danmaku factory
>go play PoFV as Aya, unadulterated slaughter ensues

It's just so cathartic.

>>14473269
I play in full screen, P wouldn't work. I found no English or Polish explanation on how to take screenshots in this case so I did it the Windows way.

Well, there'll be more shots before I clear it. I'm taking it easy right now, but I'll watch a few replays later and finish the scene off. It's probably trivial; something to do with taking the last picture at the right time, but I got tired figuring it out when I can't circle consistently to begin with.

Normally I figure out scenes on my own but I guess 6 hours is more than enough to admit defeat. This approach worked well for me in Shoot the Bullet at least, only two scenes excepting. My play time was at 33 minutes before I started 6-3!

>>14473169
My body is ready for everything.

>>14473232
MoF and LLS and TD and SoEW are much easier though.

>>>/v/319740771

lol

>>14473515
It hurts just to scroll

>>14473515
Do these ``people" seriously think that bombs are not meant to be used in shmups?

Anyone tried arcade controller in Touhou games?

Might as well ask this here.

I can't play Touhou properly because my keyboard doesn't let me hold down certain combination of buttons. Holding down shift+z+two directional buttons just doesn't work. Is there any way to change the controls so that they work?

>>14473991
Yeah. It should be possible to remap all keys to a place where everything would work. Or you stop having a shit keyboard and buy a better one instead that doesn't fuck up like that.

I don't fully get Flower View. When I use a bomb instead of a charged spellcard does it drop a more powerful spell in exchange for taking all my charges ? Also why can the enemy throw all this crap on my side of the stage ? I still haven't figured out how to trigger my part of that.

All this being said I am within 1/2 a life point of killing the final boss on normal for my 1cc. It just feels so rng dependent if I get a good run against her or not.

>>14474025
Bomb instantly uses all your charges, but sets you back to 0. It's so if you get fucked over and you need to clear the bullets immediately you can save yourself.

>>14474025
The enemy throws crap onto your screen using charges, spellcards, powerups, and scoring. You're passively throwing shit onto their screen too, but you probably just don't notice. It doesn't really do anything against bots though, unless you're aya or medicine.

>>14474025
Like >>14474054 said.
The bomb button in PoFV should be only used as a last resort, if you know you're gonna get hit and don't have enough time to charge your meter.
It uses up all your meter, but also puts you at zero, so you won't be able to use even the basic level 1 charge for a while.
Ideally you always wanna charge manually and only use the bomb button when you're about to die or when you see a yellow power up drop.

>>14439859
>Let us remind them that Touhou is before all a series of games whose difficulty puts even the wilfulness of the most determined ones to a test.

This is what faggots such as OP actually believe. Touhou isn't even on the radar for serious danmaku players. You're a casual.

>>14474186
>serious danmaku players
Do they play in business suits?

>>14474199
I envision simply underpants, perhaps with a vest or t-shirt..

>>14474199
Of course.

In all seriousness though he's right. Touhou games are inherently difficult, sure. Most STGs are.
I don't go near most CAVE shooters though. That shit is way out of my league.

>>14474186
I am suddenly struck by the realization that I'm not funny, so I apologize for shitposting.

I've made my way up to 14's extra stage. Nobody ever talks about Raiko, so I'm not sure if it's going to be easy or difficult.

>>14473430
>My body is ready for everything.
Oh boy, you have no idea.
Good luck.

>>14473991
>>14448560

>>14474214
Raiko is not that hard after you practice. though she has some really tricky spellcards like denden-daiko, blue lady show and pristine beat.
In my opinion the hardest spellcard in that stage is Joururi world.

>>14474252
I play these games to have a bad time.

In other news, I watched a replay of DS's 6-3 done properly. Wow, it's dumb. It's not even remotely difficult... I fired up my own Double Spoiler and cleared the scene right away along with the rest of level 6. But, on the other hand, I now get to have a replay of me nearly clearing the scene in the absolute hardest way possible with only the last frame perfect dodge being not so perfect.

Yay blogging. I'm sure someone cares.

I'll blog again when I reach the laser pentagrams, just for you, anon.

>>14474544
Well, yeah, that one is not so hard. Be prepared for Koishi and Satori because their whole day is a huge difficulty spike.
>I'll blog again when I reach the laser pentagrams
Don't worry about it, it will take you a while for you to reach Iku's pentagrams with Hatate. That spellcard is pretty easy with Aya but once you get there you'll know what i'm talking about.

What is THE most satisfying shot type to use out of any game? Doesn't have to be good necessarily, just fun or satisfying to use.

>>14474862
Needles when focused and homing amulets when unfocused. Nothing feels better.

Master Spark is the best bomb though. Not the most useful, but really enjoyable.

>>14474862
Marisa Flamethrower.

>>14474904
/thread

>>14474862
double break in crimson clover

>>14474862
I like wide shots that you can really shotgun bosses with at close range, like MoF Reimu C or instakilling Lily with Yuuka's level 1 in PoFV

>>14474862
Reimu Needles and Marisa "infinite penetration" lazors.

>>14474862
glitched marisa b in mof

>>14475128
yeah, not playing the game is incredibly fun

>>14474862
Malice cannon.

>>14474862
Needles.

>>14474862
Pretty much anything that has a charge shot.

Downloaded Perfect Cherry Blossom because I liked how the Necrofantasia track sounded. Is this a good game to start for getting into Touhou or maybe try another game?

>>14478915
>Is this a good game to start for getting into Touhou
Yeap, it's a good choice.

>tfw supernatural border comes on at the wrong times
I can't build you up if you only come on when there are no enemies on screen.

>>14479427
If only there was a way in the game to control when you get the borders, huh.

So I gave lolk another go after dropping it when it got released.
still 0/99+

>>14479427
To elaborate on the above, unfocused shot increases cherry+ a gazillion times faster than focused shot. You can also break borders intentionally to reset (plus some cherry+ from cancel) if you're really off, and obviously not grabbing some cherry items to time borders is vital.

>>14474601
Yeah, I gave 9-4 (Koishi's DNA spell) something of a try but it looks like I'm gonna be at it for a while, so forget unlocking Hatate until it's next month. I'm losing track of the double helix, still making mistakes dodging, it's basically a mess. I wonder if this scene is going to overtake StB's 9-6 in difficulty for me.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=38948
If you're interested... my best attempt, coincidentally my latest. It's a near clear actually, though I find it cringeworthy. (I am not Turkish or anything, I just name my replays that)

>>14481561
why are you ashamed of being turkish anon? embrace your turanian mongolism heritage

>>14481830
It's a really, really dumb joke on Aya's "tengu hat" resembling a Turkish fez cap. I enjoy kebab though.

>>14481561
Koishi DNA is all about memorizing a route, however most of the time the homing "DNA" bullets will behave weirdly and kill you. If i remember correctly you can do the first three shots without it happening.

How do you reliably get through this pattern? If Yamame decides to shoot from further down on the screen, the bullets aim from the sides and make it impossible to stream properly, then I get hit and it's two minutes down the drain.

>>14484442
>and it's two minutes down the drain
It's just stage one, it doesn't hurt to restart if that happens.

>>14484455
Not if it's happening on nearly every attempt, those two minutes start stacking up.

>>14484442
If you see her move down you have to prepare to book it and potentially have to twist around some strays. You can't avoid it, her vertical range is just huge.

>>14484442
just bomb

>>14484558
That's what I was afraid of hearing.

>>14484739
Not in a no bomb run.

>>14484801
Why are you restricting yourself by not bombing?
Why not increase the difficulty by scoring?
Oh right, it's /jp/.

>>14485350
0/10

>>14485350
>scoring
why play the game in the most unfun way possible?

>>14485975
Scoring is more fun than survival though.

>>14485989
not in tuhu.
>here m8 graze every pattern until the timeout

>>14485993
You have a point there. Grazing all the nonspells in UFO is pretty dull, but PCB, Fairy Wars, PoFV, and PoDD don't have that sort of graze/timeout every pattern.

>>14486061
but PCB does unless you have to cancel the pattern at a specific point. Now, don't misunderstand: I think PCB is the Touhou game with the best system, but saying PCB doesn't have "graze every pattern" is ignorant nonsense. GFW doesn't have graze milking, but if at all possible, you will want to milk every pattern as much as possible here as well. IN is quite similar, but here it's usually milking familiars for time on the non spells, rather than graze. Unless you play solo youkai. PoFV has stalling for Lily White, which is just another form of milking the game. All these games are good games but trying to deny that they are milk heavy is just stupid. The difference between these games and UFO or SA is that for the most part, they are much more active than just positioning yourself in the right spot and get 1000 graze each wave, which is quite common in 11 and 12.

This is more of a general thing, but I honestly feel like the deathbomb mechanic in the touhou games makes them feel more intense, not less like detractors say.

This is largely because I'm bad, but I feel like not only is there an expectation on you to not die in the touhou games, but if you die you there is a second expectation to quickly react and press the bomb button if you have spellcards remaining, or else you suck. In this case I do very much suck because I almost never manage to do a deathbomb.

>>14486590
The point is to know where your hitbox is and where the bullet's hitboxes are, and to press bomb before/as you hit a bullet, if dodging is impossible. Nobody hears the sound and reacts quickly enough to press x and bomb (unless it's IN). As you get better, you will have a better idea of your hitbox and when you are going to die.

Bump limit hit, feel free to make a new thread.

Is having a games general on /jp/ justified? There is otherwise barely any discussion.

>>14486914
Or soon to be hit, anyway. It's nearly there.

>>14486914
It's better than boats or merchandise.

>>14448543
You started this and opened yourself up to it, it's your fault. Stop rationalizing your bad decisions and blaming it on 'the community'

Any advice for trying to 1cc the games? starting on EoSD, though i can get to stage 3-4 on most of the games

>>14487586
>implying
So imagine the news: Local Newfag Becomes Recognisable, Could This Be Sign Of Culture?

>>14487605
In my experience it's all about grinding the stages in practice mode until you feel that you're ready for a longplay. The installments that especially forced me to step up my game were 11 and 12 with their ludicrous difficulty and continue systems; after that I cleared TH13 on my first try and TH14 after one day of rehearsal.

>>14486600
This. I don't see how people say death bombing makes the game easier since no one does it on reaction. It's either on accident or very rarely on reaction if at all. You have to have certain amount of skill in reading patterns and knowing hitboxes to be able to consistently death bomb.

Ugh scoring in touhou is fucking gross, annoying and so against the main goal of shmups. I've always felt that way about it, just had to share it.

>>14488751
>the main goal of shmups
The main goal of shmups is scoring.

>>14488886
No, it isn't.

>>14488886
No, the point is to see the good ending.

>>14488886
No, the point is to suck my cock, dude.

>>14488948
>>14489009
found the secondarys

>>14478915
Better question, is there any main-entry Touhou game that wouldn't be a good place to start?

>>14489540
I imagine starting with DDC would feel horrible.

>>14489540
Starting with PoFV would be silly.

>>14488751
Agreed. Bullet grazing is the worst mechanic to happen to shmups.

>>14474206
CAVE isn't even that much worse unless you're going for the hardest difficulty or 2nd loops or whatever.

>>14488886
The main goal of shmups is to get people to put quarters into them. After that, it's to impress your friends with how much better you are at the game than they are.

>>14489540
I'd imagine 1, 3, 9 and 15 wouldn't be great places to get into it.

Alright so first of all I admit to sucking at these games horribly because I can't even beat EoSD on normal without continues.

But some of these hitboxes are bullshit. Patchouli's fucking laser beams don't kill me when they're vanishing? Then why the fuck don't they vanish faster instead of taking a whole goddamned second? All this time I've been treating them like a death wall when I can pass right through them just fine, dodging bullets is way easier now.

I know I just need to git gud if I want to beat the game but some of these hitboxes, I swear to fucking god. Sakuya's knives also seem bullshit, I swear the hitbox on the handle extends down the blade even though that makes no sense.

I just keep finding little things like this and it's fucking annoying.

Also what is the easiest Touhou? I am shit. I'm gonna stick to this one til I can at least beat normal without continuing, but I'll probably just play whatever one is considered easiest afterwards.

>>14489986
Easiest is Ten Desires but it's also pretty boring.

Just take it easy and clear the games one by one in their order. What will happen is that you will actually get better at Touhou and normal difficulty will lose its edge to you.

I mean, take it from me that it took me one month to clear EoSD with my shit skills but now I can 1cc any of the games right away on normal mode. It's all basic dodging and light memorisation on this difficulty.

>>14490036
Alright, thanks for the advice. I'll just keep at it.

>>14489597
Graze milking*

>>14489986
>>14490036
I found PCB to be the easiest, since its main gimmick also allows you to tank a shot in the face and keep going, only losing out on score potential. At the same time, you lose a big chunk of score, so it feels real good when you stop sucking and learn how to use supernatural borders for scoring purposes.

>>14489597
>>14490192
How can grazing be the worst mechanic with bullet reflecting exists?