/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I can't take it easy like this.

I don't think I could live in a world without this.

Meanwhile, in Ohio
>A fifteen year old girl in Newark, OH faces being labelled a "sex offender" for sending naked cellphone photos of herself (a minor) to other minors. If convicted, she'll spend the next ten years on public registries, classed as a producer of child pornography.

Source: http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20081008/NEWS01/810080302

I hate how normal humans grow so irrational at the very concept of children (THEIR children) coming into harm, in any imaginary way. I know it's a basic biological response, but ffs people, there's a limit to fear, and that is when you start throwing people into jail because you just suspect they might do something to your precious offspring.

>>1443101

>>1443137
>Criminalising it reduces the demand
dohohoho

>>1443137
>>Criminalising it reduces the demand

>>1443202
>According to my calculations

feels bad man

>>1442961
UNICEF is seriously the biggest pile of shit.

we've never had a thread about this
certainly not 10 minutes ago

>>1442970
(･ω･)

FUCK YOU, UNICEF

from the "good luck with that" department.

>Agnes Chan, a Chinese pop star
>a Chinese pop star
>a Chinese

It will have the same effect online petitions have. None.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Children's_Fund
>UNICEF uses the term ‘child protection’ to refer to preventing and responding to violence, exploitation and abuse against children and teens (both real and fictional children and teens) [reference cited, go and see]
lol

Good old "think of the children". These guys are doing their best to be worse than the pedos.

>>1442970
I've been here for hours. We have not.

>>1442996
Well that's not anime, is it.

If you're going to copy paste it from sankaku at least remove the
>Via Yomiuri

UNICEF seems to insist that everyone examine all kinds of depictions of children for possible sexual innuendo. They'll defeat their own purpose quite a bit if they keep that up.

>>1442998
We must hang together, or we'll all hang separately. If they ever get to the point where they ban 3D, they will have precedence for banning the 2D as well.

>>1443015
Yes this, or like i said in the other thread, include the source link.

>Via Yomiuri.

lol

>they insisted upon the urgent necessity
You can't just stress a necessity without giving a reason why it's so necessary. Demands like this should be rejected instantly unless they can prove that there's a good reason for it, just like people shouldn't pay attention to some hobo randomly demanding that all bananas should be banned.

>>1443037
They will say "to stop the portrayal of children as sexual objects in manga and anime" or some similar bullshit.

First our schoolgirl uniforms, now our swimwear?

>>1443050
That's what they want, that's what they have to justify.
Their justification will most likely be to say it causes real child abuse.

What would losing all that manga, anime, and software do to the Japanese economy?

I don't understand why people care what we fap to in the privacy of our homes. As long as we don't go out and molest children, I see no problem.

>>1443058
In which case they'd have to prove that it really does cause child abuse. I can claim that bananas cause murder as much as I want, but it doesn't help if I cannot prove this causation.

>>1443084
The kind of people who complain about this don't trust perverts to separate fantasy from reality, because they themselves do so poorly.

>>1443094
Excuse me, but they have already banned CP, which doesn't cause child abuse either

>>1443101
Actually, I can see how it does. Legality of CP causes demand for CP and demand for CP causes production of CP.

And even if you find laws that have been passed without taking my procedures into consideration first, it is because I'm merely stating that a procedure like that should be followed in a civilized society, not that it already is followed.

>>1443101
Actually, demand for 3dcp caused sexual abuse of children in many cases, so they tried to curb that demand by making in thoroughly illegal. Demand for 2dcp only causes art/graphic design students.

Scenario A: Child porn is legal to possess, but illegal to make or sell. Pedos download CP freely from P2P networks and fap in the privacy of their own homes.

Scenario B: CP possession is illegal and a top police priority gaining massive media attention. Pedos without esoteric knowledge of encrypted protocols and darknets have nothing to fap to. Pedos decide to go to the playgrounds, parks and schools and release their sexual tension into little boys and girls.

Now I know what you're thinking, in Scenario A, every time a pedo faps, what he's doing is raping a child. Now contrary to popular belief, all he is actually doing is looking at pixels on a screen. No children are harmed. It may take some time to digest this fact, but when you finally do you'll wonder why you didn't realise sooner.

>>1443084
BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE POOR CARTOON CHILDREN, YOU CAN'T JUST FAP TO THEM, THAT'S HORRIBLE

>>1443113
[citation needed]

Pedos are pedos

what they fap to doesn't make them more or less likely to go out and rape a kid

If you're arguing that creating CP means children are harmed, I agree. But looking at it doesn't isn't the same thing. And don't give me that supplyXdemand shit, if a pedo secretly and anonymously faps to CP he downloaded for free off the internet, he's not creating any market for anything.

>>1443106
>Legality of CP causes demand for CP
Er... not quite. Porn existed before these laws.
The demand was already there. Criminalising it reduces the demand (but does not eliminate it).

>>1443117
If this was true for B then no sexual abuse would be taking place at all now.

I don't understand the logic behind banning loli. I can see the argument of real CP, but loli just doesn't make sense.

>>1443128
I pirate all my games. That doesn't mean there isn't supply and demand in action, I'm just not part of it.

>>1443128
If possession were legal but selling was not, then people could sell website membership subscriptions as a simple dodge, and a market of computer illiterate pedos would be created.

>>1443145
Doesn't it, normally? If something's illegal, don't less people do it? Actually I heard that wasn't really the case with drugs... I dunno.

>>1442961
lol UNICEF

......

>>1443140
You seem to live in a world of black and white

Child abuse will always happen (and by the way, if you stamp down as hard as you can on CP, and somehow remove the camera from the equation, the child is still going to be just as raped as with the camera there) but statistically pornography has always been shown to reduce rapes

And it makes sense, freely available fap material means you're less horny. If a pedo doesn't have anything to fap to (present situation with most pedos) then they need an iron will to just get through the day

>>1443162
>i dunno
that's right, you don't

>>1443137
Perhaps I failed to phrase that ideally, but I do believe that the point presented is quite clear.

>>1442961
>a move which would have devastating effects on the world of anime, manga and games.
Not for me. I hate those swimsuits.
I hope they get rid of those and replace them with fancy dresses.

>>1443145
>>1443162


Criminalizing CP does reduce demand; not the numbers of people who want, but the numbers of people who are willing to go out and trying and get it, which is what demand is.

If CP was legal websites like megarotic and shit would be flooded with it, and (more) paysites would be set up as well. Thus child abuse would probably increase.

However legal loli only means that more poor art students degrade themselves.

>>1443189
>not the numbers of people who want, but the numbers of people who are willing to go out and trying and get it, which is what demand is.
Which leads to blue-balled pedos who have nothing to fap to, who go out and molest your sister

What if selling and possession of CP was legal, but making wasn't? So, this one server could sell access to a database of all the CP in the world. Right now you have to hunt for it. But then it'd all be in one place, and easy to find. So pedos would quickly go through it all. I dunno... how much can exist? Then they'd really want some new shit, no? And then... sites would pop up with new shit. Where did this fresh CP come from? Oh no, we didn't make it, we're just another classic CP archive (wink, nudge). I'm not sure where I'm going with this.

If I have a point it's something like... legalising CP wouldn't stop new material being made. But do the opposite. According to my calculations. And pedos can find CP already, if they keep it in their home in private, they won't get caught, unless they're stupid.

This thread is begging for a loli imagedump

>>1443172
There might be exceptions in things we are so used to having available that it's hard to accept when it isn't, but people usually like obeying the law as long as they see some sense in it. But personally, what I like about prohibition is that while people thought it'd prevent crime, as the distorted judgment caused by alcohol would no longer be a problem, it actually caused much more crime than it prevented. This shows that even if you can prove that something causes crime, banning that thing won't necessarily reduce crime.

My mother and her little friend were felt up as lolis by the man at the carnival that gave horse rides. The laughed about it together afterwards. I wish she wouldn't tell me these things, damned perv.

>>1443217
No it isn't.

>>1443167
>If a pedo doesn't have anything to fap to (present situation with most pedos)
I find this hard to believe. How did you figure this out? Disregarding imagination as a source of fap material, there's still normal porn out there. Are most paedos, like, exclusive? I have no idea. Hm. I guess there are those countries where porn is illegal. They could try fapping to pics kids in Argos catalogues or whatever. And then there are the countries where they, like,can't afford paper. Hm. Tough one. Okay, I'll have to play the imagination card here.

>>1443419

>>1443217
do it faggot

>>1443229
>And then there are the countries where they, like,can't afford paper.
You mean those countries where everyone has AIDS?

>>1443426
These are scary...

>>1443232
Yes. Paedos aren't all sophisticated, well-dressed, charming gentlemen, don't be fooled!

When did this thread go from discussing loli to discussing CP? 3D is pig disgusting.

>>1443243
Actually, my point was that the countries where they don't have porn, everyone have AIDS instead, because they cannot keep their urges to themselves. Just like a pedo with a throbbing manhood and no legal way to truly satisfy it would feel less obliged to consider the consequences, morality and lawfulness of his actions.

>>1443269
>I am a faggot with ADHD and can't enjoy the rare decent discussion on 4chan.

>Agnes Chan

So a 70's jpop teen idol comes back to haunt the oldfags for fapping to her all those years back?

>>1443094
When have facts ever gotten in the way of politicians?

>>1443292
I'd start a college fund for her.

I approve of this thread

>>1443321

Hum... Sauce?

UNICEF, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE BEING A CHILD ILLEGAL AS WELL?

Well anime,manga, game characters are not minors because they are not real people...MMMMKKAYY?

>>1443106
>>1443106
>Legality of CP causes demand for CP and demand for CP causes production of CP.

Legality of videos of people beating the shit out of a random person causes demand for videos of people beating the shit out of a random person causes production of videos of people beating the shit out of a random person.

Feel free to replace CP in your statement with "videos of beheadings" or "Videos of cat torture" or anything else which is illegal to participate in but legal to watch.

>>1443430
WE TRIED, BUT THEN WE'D HAVE NOTHING TO DO ANYMORE

>>1443439
Public executions?

>>1443439

Suppression of cat torture videos and the illegality of animal torture does not prevent cat torture. Education does.

>>1443106
> Legality of CP causes demand for CP and demand for CP causes production of CP.

If anything the internet should've taught you, it is that there is always demand for CP, legal or not.

The fact that it's illegal to stick your p0n0s up a child's vag00 hasn't stopped a lot of kiddy fiddlers in the past couple of years. Making idol videos illegal will stop the supply, but not the demand. The people who buy/download idol videos now will just start scouring the internet for stuff that will get them off (which is probably a lot worse than idol videos)

All people should have the right to do anything they want to do, as long as it doesn't prejudice someone. If a loli wants to whore herself, let her do so.

if you give 2d loli porn to pedos, they will start to hate real 3d lolis, like we do, it can save real lilfe lolis

Did anyone ever consider that the problem is becoming more "extensive" because people are just realizing the true superiority of pedophilia?

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

OLOLOLOL

>>1443847
How does pious, bitter grown men hating kids lead to safer kids?

>>1443847
I have 2D loli porn, but I still love 3D lolis.

I'm not seeing how your argument works.

>>1443893
just ignore him, he's a normalfag who thinks liking lolis makes him subversive and edgy

>>1443875
haha I just thought of the reality of that.

I love 2D and 3D and am pedo exclusive. I find the thought of sagging or bloated breasts and forested or beef steak vagoo revolting. Plus women are manipulative bitches who are only after money and security. Why else would so many women go out with ugly men who treat them like dirt? Very rarely do you see women (At least the more attractive types) with timid men. Origin of species and all. Darwin was right. I prefer the purity and honesty of youngsters. Even if that does mean snotty noses and odd smells.

>>1442982
agnes chan is more popular in japan than she was in china. i think that's how it worked. check her wiki.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOuAw_8AymM