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Not entirely relevant, but I just found a japanese teacher. Germany is awesome.

Do you go to school? Go take a Japanese class there.

>>1430088
I would if I had time for it

>>1430097
lol

that's funny

Anonymous pretending to be busy

>>1430100
fappig all day long does consume some time you know?
No but seriously, Job + School = much freetime.

Well yeah, classes surley are not a bad thing But I'd like to start on my own and then, later take classes.

wait, a flashcard program for DS?? Does it work with kanji and/or vocab??

Get genki I and II. They're the best introduction, even if it's just for self study.

Also, im interesed in this DS flash card program....care to englighten?

>>1430335
>>1430455
http://digital-haze.net/ndsrs.php

this?

bump, this is useful

For DS I recommend 0405_-_Kanji_Sonomama_Rakubiki_Jiten_(JP)_(1024M)
you write in the, um, squiggle thingies (kanji) and it translates i\them into romanji

as for the language training I suggest Rosetta Stone.
It's a PC/mac/psp/palm/etc. ap that teaches many many languages
it's a couple gig download or $500ish to buy

>>1430563
oh hey, I have a new version of that to upload.

I should go do that now.

OP here, thanks for the answers.

DS App I used to lear hiragana, katakana with:
http://www.zoelen.net/blog/default.asp?Category=10

Nothing fancy but you can learn by column, mixed, romanji, kata alone, hira alone, have pronunciation and also see how they are written.

Other similar programs (at that time were buggy, don't know how the work now)

japanese training;
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=205838

japanese academy:
http://www.projet-ixs.com/post/2007/11/04/apprendre-le-japonais-sur-nintendo-ds

I once had rosseta stone on my disk, but I don't know it felt kinda awkward for example you had 4 pictures and 4 japanese frames.
Ok one showd a car, one a plane, one a loli and one a fat kid on a ball.

Car and plane far enough but what about the fat kid on the ball and the loli?
I mean there isn't written anything in english what it means, you can match the phrases with the picture but how am I supposed t know what it means then?

Does it say fat kid with ball, or kid playing with ball or kid with ball or what?
Well maybe I did somethign wrong, nvm.

How about other useful programs for PC?
They only one I have right now is JWPce
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~grosenth/jwpce.html

>>1432537
all hiragana/katakana apps? how crappy.

>>1432567
why should anyone make a kanji homebrew, when there are commercial arround?

>>1432567
also this:
http://ds.amvhell.com/

But was kinda buggy when I last used it.

>>1432583
and that (only useful as small dictionary)

http://ds.bigs.fr/pkds2_WIP.php3

information Japan

http://travels-japan.blogspot.com/

>>1432583
its more of a "hiragana/katakana are easy as fuck to learn why make a game around it" type of complaint.

>>1432586
the dev of that bothered me about how to get not shit fonts working. then realized it sucked cause it wasn`t srs-like so it got abandoned.

>>1432615
you just said it, because it's easy

>A Kanji Dictonary by 'Langenscheidt'
Where the hell do I get this? (And by the way, if you could tell where you got the grammar book/the ISBN to both, that would be fine too)

Langenscheidt has by far the best dictionaries I've ever used but I didn't know they had kanji-dictionary.

Also, which part of Germany do you live in? I read some time ago about intesive oriental language courses (japanese, chinese, corean) which teach you in 2 weeks what would normally take 2 years.
I could look it up for you (I'm stuck in Spain, and I tell you, shit's awful and overpriced. I want to go back to Germany as fast as I can to get proper classes).

By the way, I also recommend you the langenscheidt "Universal-Wörterbuch Japanisch" minidictionary (A6 size). It's a pretty basic yet complete german-japanese/japanese-german vocabulary which covers the most basic words you'd want to express if you happen to be in Japan.

Get Heisig.

>>1433080

My Japanese Coach for the DS comes out next monday. I'm in the same boat as you.

'Japanese for Busy People & workbook' is used by university students learning Japanese.

Don't learn Japanese unless you intend to use it seriously. The first mistake weeaboos make is beginning to learn Japanese to understand anime and games and shit. That's a good way to fail. All weeaboos start out with delusions of grandeur, only to fail because they're too stupid to remember more than 10 kana. (That's a hyperbole. Don't respond saying you know more than 10 kana because congratulations you're still dumber than a kindergartener.)

tl;dr You will fail because you aren't actively using it.

>>1432871
OP here got them both off from amazon.
the small grammar book would be this:
http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Grammar-Barrons-Carol-Akiyama/dp/0764120611/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&a
mp;s=books&qid=1223561442&sr=8-1

Well it's not exactly a dictionary, but ther IS a langenscheidt kanji dictionary available. I have this book: ISBN 978-3-468-49388-1

Also I'm living in austria, classes here are pretty much limited.

>>1433120
I do intend to use it properly, if I was fluent I could actually join the japan division of the company I work for.

Did anyone read the study guidelines that I typed up? Did it make any of you happy at all? Did it make anyone feel...hope?

I just wanted you to know that it is possible to learn quite a bit of Japanese, even without a teacher. You can do it!

"The people and the friends we have lost... ...or the dreams that have faded... Never forget them."

please, don't let your dreams fade away, anonymous....

Goodbye....

>>1433422

You don't understand. I need these feedbacks, because if I think about all the people who are trying so hard to learn Japanese and are really giving it their all, then that inspires me to work hard myself!

Also, if I find out that I've helped someone in their quest, well...then...that makes me feel less useless.

Do you understand?

>>1433120

While it's true that a lot of people who start learning Japanese quit after they've learned all the hiragana and katakana and are asked to remember Kanji on top of grammar and vocabulary, it still beats fapping to porn all day(and let's be honest, that's pretty much all that Anon does).

Your argument that you should not be learning a language unless you "actively" use is invalid though (especially since you excluded anime and games as active usage of the language). English is my 2nd language and I've never had to "actively" use it once outside of my classroom and I still speak it pretty fluently because of all the American TV I watch/books I read.

on topic: Currently I'm using Genki I+II as well as the workbooks for reading/writing and basic grammar. On top of that I got Barron's Japanese Grammar to read up on some more grammar that Genki didn't cover or I didn't understand. As for speaking and listening comprehension I'm using Pmsleur Japanese 1-3.
I'm not currently attending any Japanese classes and I'm planning on keeping up my self study until I finish Genki 2 (equivalent of JLPT Level 3).
Don't kid yourself though, it's a shit ton of work and it sucks up a lot of time unless you want to move forward at a snail's pace

>>1433436

You think I'm not passionate about this?

I'm different from you people.... I'm not all jaded and sarcastic and bitter.

Maybe if you all tried harder to achieve your dreams and dropped this tuff internet dude posturing, /jp/ could turn into a place of inspiration on 4chan -and that would benefit everyone, ne!

>>1433457

*envious* Someday I hope to be a badass like you!
I'm joining ROTC this coming June...maybe someday I'll actually be strong.

>>1433461

Nope~!

>>1433464

You don't need ROTC to make yourself badass. You just need fiery spirit and confidence in yourself even when the whole world is against you.

>>1433299

Nice post! I'd also like to add that even if you don't have access to a Japanese tutor, friends, classes, etc you CAN still make progress learning Japanese!

If you go the Genki route, be sure to purchase the 2-disc student cd sets that accompany the textbook/workbook.

Also, before you set out on Genki, I'd recommend both learning the Kana in advance (Japanese for Busy People, Kana workbook is a good resource if you got monies to blow) AS WELL AS completing the first section of Tae Kim's "Japanese Guide to Japanese Grammar" (www.guidetojapanese.org).

Here's a good study plan:
1. Start Heisig's "Remembering the Kanji" and use the the "Reviewing the Kanji" website for easy-breezy memorization.
2. Learn the kana with the Japanese for Busy People Kana Workbook (but I wouldn't recommend the textbook series which is mega gay and worthless)
3. After the kana is memorized, purchase a product on Amazon called "Pronounce it Perfectly: Japanese". It's old, so you'll have to buy it used. It comes with 2 cassette tapes. Japanese is not that hard to pronounce -besides getting the intonation correct- but completing this pronunciation course will give you confidence that you can actually produce the sounds of japanese accurately, ever without being in a classroom setting!
4. Study www.guidetojapanese.org and complete up to and including the first chapter under the "essential grammar header (Polite Form and Verb Stems　（～です、～ます). At this point I'd recommend moving on to Genki.

>>1433351

...continued...

5. Study Genki 1 and 2, and also complete the rest of Tae Kim's grammar tutorial, as well as purchase another grammar text used off amazon called "Japanese Communication Strategies" by Senko K. Maynard! It's a brilliant and clear and non-linguistic pratical grammar text that is super duper awesome for learning Japanese. Fuck, i wish their was an equivalent book for Mandarin.....
6. After Genki, purchase Integrated Intermediate Japanese w/ the accompanying CDs
7. Turn into Shinji Ikari and be like me!

Hey, sorry for the long post! I hope this helps you. Also, if anyone could make a similar study list for Chinese, that would be awesome.

Take care!

(Not OP)
What is a good book for grammar?

I wanted to see if OP's grammar book might be good but amazon's reviewing system sucks balls.
As long as it's complete (covers particles AND correct use of -te form and other times) I'll be fine.

>>1433366

http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Japanese-Grammar-Communication-Strategies/dp/4789005429/ref=sr_1_
1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223566172&sr=8-1

I'd recommend this book book above all others:
An Introduction to Japanese Grammar and Communication Strategies

I like it so much more than the acclaimed "Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar" and "Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar".

>>1433379
Looks like the kind of book I'm looking for.

I want some actual linguistics in the book so I can compare it to the grammar in german, spanish, english, etc. and find the equivalent grammatical formulae in japanese. I know nobody normally does that but that's because they don't know what "auxiliary verb", "genetiv" or "spacial complement" is in the first place.

>>1433401
your a faggot

>>1433406

;_;

I'm giving up on /jp/.

>>1433412
He's right. You're a faggot.

Don't ask explicitly for feedback on the internets. If you deserve it, you'll get it.

You're an attention whore, and by the way, we won't miss you.

(7/10 by the way)

>>1433401
>it is possible to learn quite a bit of Japanese, even without a teacher
Of course it is. Classes suck.

>>1433428

but there was a time when i thought it was basically impossible to do it. i assumed that japanese was so hard and the chinese was so hard and that it was hopeless to try and learn it on your own.
i was hoping that if someone read my message, then they'll come to think like you, that classes are not always the most effective path to learning a foreign language, and self-study is not only possible, but also (maybe) more effective than college classes.

>>1433418

Come back when you're hotblooded.

>>1433582

No prob! If you need more help, i'm on the "reviewing the kanji" website a lot. Just make a thread and I'll find it.

>>1433454
>tuff internet dude

I'm a badass everywhere.

>>1433454
is you a girl?

>>1433635

She is.

>>1433464
what i think you need is a cock shoved up your ass, cuz your the most girly sounding faggot on 4chan

/jp/ - Inspiration/Hope

>>1432537
hey OP are these compatible with DS emu?

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>>1433436

HOT BLOOD

THE TRUE MEASURE OF A MAN

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Shinji Ikari/Yuna poster: look, your advice helped and i saved it. thanks!

>>1433495
Don't know, never tried.
But there should be better programs for the pc arround.

>>1433613
yuna is fucking hot

>>1433650

Wow! Thank you! I've never seen that pic before. Do you have any moar?

>>1433660

No, you will just have to fap to that one until your cock bursts.

>>1433650
Wait, that actually looks like it might be legit; did Square produce naked renders for FF characters other than the Spirits Within girl?

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