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There was a 1000+ post thread on dec a few days about about doujinshi authors who don't play the games. What do you think? How much does characterisation and source accuracy matter to you?

>> No.14094729

Doesn't matter because I don't give a fug about toho.

>> No.14094731

Source accuracy gets me hot and bothered.

>> No.14094741

All you miss out on characterization by not playing the games are the intangible character traits that are conveyed through danmaku. Granted, this is assuming you're doing your research (and watching the endings against ZUN's requests).

On the whole of it I don't actually care, though. To begin with Touhou Project is a bastardized Japanese mythology fanfiction and if people want to make fanfiction of fanfiction of fanfiction I don't actually care.

>> No.14094756

>>14094726
I only care about touhou porn, so I don't care about their characterizations. I can't stand the secondary memes though, so I hate when there are fanworks filled with stupid incorrect shit like that.

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>>14094756
You should complain more about the untapped potential lurking in the games.
Where's the porn with this?

>> No.14094902

>>14094775
See: Marisa's ULiL finisher.

What's Youmu doing there, though?

>> No.14094916

Most dojin works I read seem to be about reluctant girls getting mindbroken and/or blackmailed so at that point "characterization" amounts to little more than wardrobe

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>> No.14095192

I don't typically have a problem with the fanon interpretation of characters. Honestly, if you hang out in the touhou community you'll be so saturated in it that the cannon aspects are overpowered. Case and point I'm pretty sure Alice is actually being kinda a bitch.

>> No.14095214

>>14094726
So? What was the general opinion?

>> No.14095234

>>14094902
>>14094775
The fighting games are irrelevant.

>> No.14096761

>>14095234
Main games written by zun are irrelevant, huh.

>> No.14096779

>>14094775
IIRC, Youmu can also make her ghost half look like herself, so you can have a threesome with a single girl.

>> No.14096788

>>14094726
As an artist I tend not to draw things I'm not familiar with firsthand. Except for requests where people describe what they want.
I've never really encountered artists who draw doujins or 'plot-heavy' fanart without knowing being into a franchise.

What I DID encounter were female cosplayers who wouldn't know the character they were cosplaying.

>> No.14096883

>>14094726
I usually don't mind it but when stupid shit like minor youkai like Wriggle or Rumia attending Keine's classes happens, I usually stop reading. I don't give a fuck for ero-manga though.

>> No.14096900

All the Alice rape doujins are annoying. Why can't she just kill the guys that come after hearing?

>> No.14097279

>>14096900
All rape doujins are shit. 2hu's are stronger than regular humans. Unless they decide to rape you, then there should be no rape doujins in 2hu.

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>>14094726
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>>14097284
>>14094726
Can this be a Reisen thread?

>> No.14097334

There was this one doujinshi that irritated me way too much, it was about Alice considering the possibility of using Hourai elixir on Marisa to not worry about age.
Not only was she making light of the elixir, but it was Alice, the same person who saw Mokou as the walking dead with her truesight, would inflict the same fate on someone.
You're magicians, just cast the damn spell, instead.

It was my mistake of reading shipping doujinshi anyway. Back to Alice rape.

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>>14096779
Selfcest returns seven results, but only two of them use actual clones. One she clones someone else.

>>14097279
>there should be no rape doujins
Unless you don't like rape, what you really want are longer, better stories and situations where it actually makes sense. That's setting the bar too high. Besides the usual instant rape tricks, blackmail, and one girl beating another and having her raped, there's not much else that can work in the usual 12-26 pages without taking away from the rape time.
At least there's a canon excuse to instantly disable certain youkai.

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Well, most of the time artists take the main trait of the characters and apply it on their stories, same trait that is the base for fandom representation of the character.

Seeing something that makes evident that the artist knows jack shit about the setting like >>14097334 will probably make me scoff, but won't stop me from fapping if the art is good enough.

>>14097284

>> No.14097527

>>14097279
The girls from forbidden scrollery have no way to fight back if someone tried to rape them

>> No.14097530

I like when other (unnamed, non canon) youkai (of the same group as existing youkai) show up, but it mostly seems limited to other Tengu and rarely random fairies. There should be other rabbits and kappa doujinshi too. By which I mean groups, along with actual characters.

Also I am unable to see or hear the captcha anymore and have to guess at the images. What do? It's not adblock.

>> No.14097559

>>14097530
Why haven't you switched back to legacy captcha? Check your settings.
Your DNS is probably having a hiccup. Nothing you can do but wait or change it manually, which I don't recommend if you don't know what you're doing.

>> No.14097601

>>14097559
Because it only works for quick reply and I hate using quick reply. (although this does work apparantly)

A test shows that it probably has something to do with some change in Firefox, since a seperate install I did with a more recent version can still see it.

Mega and google are both bullies, forcing you to update to shittier newer versions of FF. I guess I'm stuck using quick reply for now.

>> No.14097643

>>14097601
I'm on an ancient version of firefox and it works fine. I've only ever had that problem on mobile.

I don't see why you wouldn't want to use quick reply, unless you haven't set it up correctly. They fixed all of the problems of the old captcha and it doesn't eat all of your memory. Use persistent reply and force posts to wrap.

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>>14094726
"i'm some random, faceless human and I somehow managed to seal your powers/beat you in a fight" plot is pretty retarded when the victim isn't a fairy or another human. Like >>14097279 said. 2hus would probably rape you, not the other way around.

>>14097303
We're talking about porn here. I don't think it's an appropriate place to discuss how great Udonge is.

>> No.14098081

>>14097818
>"i'm some random, faceless human and I somehow managed to seal your powers/beat you in a fight"

Well, the average gensokyo human is canonically "stronger" than the average youkai, so it would work on the lesser touhous, e.g. the ones in the idiot group.

Youkai also have lots of weaknesses and danmaku is meant to be equally accessible to anyone, so it's not like they can't seal their powers if they know how to fight the particular youkai. Even vampires or oni can be pacified if you threaten to cover them in garlic or beans.

>> No.14098092

>>14098081
For that matter, the humans would probably be the hardest to rape, since they couldn't just disbelieve them into nearly non existing or stick a spiritually charged talisman to their head.

>> No.14098099

>>14094726
It depends. Sometimes, it is fun to see how removed from canon things can be, but most of the time it is simply awful.

>> No.14098102

>>14098081
The average youkai isn't humanoid. All the named non-fairies are exceptional. Most can't be beaten one on one iirc.

>> No.14098134

>>14098102
>The average youkai isn't humanoid
It took me the longest time to understand what your point was.

>> No.14098207

Secondaries GTFO.

>> No.14098213

>>14097279
Someone hasn't read King of Gensokyo

>> No.14098225

>>14097527
Nor do most fairies.

>> No.14098300

>>14098134
No one in the "idiot group" is getting beaten by a lone average gsk human. It took a mob to take out Letty, and her powers are arguably much weaker than theirs.

>> No.14098997

>>14098300
I don't think you understood what I was getting at this time, and aren't most of those types of doujinshi about gangrape anyway?

>> No.14099017

Doesn't matter when the primary source doesn't show much of their personality.

>> No.14099200

>>14096779
Imagine her doing that but with the multiple phantoms she has while on MAX in TD
You would be having a harem of the same girl for yourself

>> No.14102134

>>14099200
Wouldn't you freeze to death first?

>> No.14102149

>>14102134
It would just be a little chilly

>> No.14102203

>>14094726
>>14097284
>>14097303
>>14097522
Did his c88 work get scanned? I think I saw a preview somewhere.

>> No.14102218

>>14094726
>How much does characterisation and source accuracy matter to you?

It depends on the doujinshi, if it's a comedy one I couldn't care less because that's their main point, making you laugh with a story that as a Touhou coat of paint on it.

If it's something that wants to be taken seriously but still a "what if these characters would be like that?" scenario then it's still fine, but I won't read that story though since they're all crap.

In other words it's all fine unless the main objective of the story is to portray the actual Gensokyo. Hemo did a nice job with that one Touhoumon game for example.

>> No.14102265

>>14102218
>if it's a comedy one I couldn't care less because that's their main point, making you laugh with a story that as a Touhou coat of paint on it.
But those are the worst kinds of doujinshi, because you could replace the characters with anything and it wouldn't matter. Those are shitty comedies.

>> No.14102300

>>14094726
The main point of the doujin "industry" is to take some franchise as a base and put a "what if" twist to it, so I can't really get mad if people do that.
Afterall Touhou does that in the first place and even ZUN said so various times.

>> No.14102542

>>14102300
No, that's the exact thing zun hates about it.
Doujin means independent. That's it. Taking x and slapping y on it is the laziest, least-creative thing you can do.

>> No.14109465

>>14094726
The only accuracy that matters is their canon bust sizes.

>> No.14109517

Characterization is very important, but source material isn't much.

If somebody wants to change a latter part a bit, try to post quotes from source material every day, just so it's always visible. Honestly, everyone spams images, and nobody reposts quotes or offmanga.

>> No.14109522

>>14109517
Bitch, get out of the way

>> No.14109527

>>14109522
Something properly translated.

>> No.14111539

>>14102203
>work
>s

Yassy wasn't as good as I was expecting but still made me forget about this guy.
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