/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>13798501
instead of inventing words for things they just adapt the english word

>>13798624
I'm obviously not talking about loan words.
I'm talking about how in the middle of a japanese vacuum cleaner commercial they can tell you about its "Supa Sirentu Mode" or how the japanese "Final Fantasy" video game series is written as ファイナルファンタジ which is pronounced as "Fainaru Fantaji"

>>13798803

Because it's cool.

>>13798817
So basically like how "we" get tattoos of japanese words except times 10?

>>13798835

Kinda, yeah. You see in other cultures a lot, too.

>>13798501
>>13798803
>loan words

You answered your own question.

KILL WHITEY!!

>>13799213
>being this retarded

>>13799331
You're the retard. Loan words are loan words. I realize that you said "not talking about loan words" but what else would you be talking about? Not English, that's for sure.

>>13799470
>being this retarded
>I'm talking about how in the middle of a japanese vacuum cleaner commercial they can tell you about its "Supa Sirentu Mode" or how the japanese "Final Fantasy" video game series is written as ファイナルファンタジ which is pronounced as "Fainaru Fantaji"
Explain how that would fit the definition of loan word(s)

>>13799561
>loanword: a word adopted from a foreign language with little or no modification.

>>13799570
>being this retarded
In the final fantasy example for example IT'S NOT EVEN A WORD. They're just recreating the english pronunciation with phonetics. In addition Japanese already has words for "Final" and "Fantasy" and the english words are not used. You will not find "Fainaru" or "Fantaji" in any japanese dictionary. What the fuck are you even doing outside of /b/?

>>13799607
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/189524/m0u/ファイナル/
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/189766/m0u/ファンタジー/

>>13799607
You're still talking about loan words. That's the point.

>I'm obviously not talking about loan words.
This shit is wrong. You're still talking about loan words. I don't even see the point here, most languages have loan words

>>13799607
pls don't use the quote function as a storytime indicator here, this isn't /a/

Guy in the OP image is wearing Shirou's shirt.

>>13799808
It's just a generic raglan shirt, dude.

>>13798501
It's not just Japanese, every language does this. I guess the simplest explanation is that English is the universal language.

>>13798501
It's because English sounds cool and no one in Japan speaks English. Here's a picture of the pizza I just got. I'm currently living in Kokura, Fukuoka.

>>13800019
fuck you

>>13800087
:(

>>13800087
Why so hostile, tomod8?

>>13800019
I hope you choke on it.

Japan's NHK sued over use of English words
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23079067

>>13798803

Those are all Japanese words, now.

Just like "beef" has been an English word for almost a Millennium and no-one considers it "injecting French randomly".

>>13801084
The guy is absolutely right.

>>13801106
>Those are all Japanese words, now.

By that logic you can literally take any English word, "japanize" it and call it a Japanese loan word.

>>13801135

Not if they're not in the dictionary.

>>13801135
>By that logic you can literally take any English word, "japanize" it and call it a Japanese loan word.
Wow, it's almost like you've figured out what a loanword is.

>>13801145
No.

A loan word would be something like コンビニ, where it's commonly used and doesn't have a Japanese equivalent.

Replacing a common, simple Japanese word with an Engrish one is not using a "loanword". It's just retarded.

>>13800019 here

>>13801159
切符 was by and far replaced with チケット for most things (barring train shit). Japanese people use English all the time incorrectly precisely because they don't understand it. Putting "なう" and "わず" at the end of sentences is still common.

"コンビニなう" is used to mean "I'm at the convenience store right now." It's just the evolution of language, and the evolution of slag is often retarded. YMMV.

I don't really understand why would they use those words like "shisutemu", "risuku", etc, instead of the Japanese equivalent. Is there some nuances that aren't in the Japanese word? I can't imagine there to be.

>>13801167
Youth just want to discard kanji?

Also, I've seen some articles about prominent Japanese companies making English their official language, supposedly because the market is so more global now. Like you have to be fluent in English to get in.

>>13801182

Both are used, because they are synonyms.

This is not complicated.

>>13801182
It's because English is taught in schools, and to get into (a good) college, you're forced to memorize a lot of English words, without context. Literally, they have vocab books (単語帳) and they just straight up memorize words without knowing how to use them. So, in order to sound smart, you see a bunch of people throw English words out, and then you end up with a mess.

Japanese companies want to use English because it makes them seem smart. They require people to speak English, even though no one really does, and then everyone can feel smart together, and no one ever tells them they're wrong. When I've stayed in some Tokyo hotels, the staff there is literally required to talk to any foreigners in English, even though I talk to them in Japanese, and their English is incomprehensible. It's all about status and having qualifications. Even though pieces of paper in no way have anything to do with actual skill.

It's actually pretty bad. I've talked to several nurses in the Fukuoka/Saga area and they do a lot of their blood tests in English because a lot of medical supplies are ordered from America, and I've been asked a few times to translate medical lingo from these tests that I don't even understand in English (engineering major). I can only imagine people with serious diseases are being misdiagnosed because the Japanese are too preoccupied with pretending they understand English and are guessing on the instructions.

tl;dr Everyone in Japan likes to pretend to be smart, so that's why you're seeing high English usage.

Here's a pic of my friend's shirt I took just now.

>>13801159
>A loan word would be something like コンビニ, where it's commonly used
Someone had to start using it.

>and doesn't have a Japanese equivalent.
Nobody actually cares about this one.

>>13801200
FUCK YOU

>>13801200
>(engineering major)

Grr.

We don't like your kind around here.

>>13801200
>friend

>>13801200
That does sound pretty bad. I'm sure someone could analyze it to things like word order, personal pronouns and such as to why it's so difficult for the Japanese to grasp English, even if the school system took a bit more dynamic approach to it instead of rote memorization while missing the big picture.

>>13801200
>prostitute
>friend

>>13801252
I'm pretty sure it has to do with the fact that it's a gigantic circle jerk. Japanese people who don't speak English that well in the first place are teaching other Japanese people to speak English. There is literally zero interaction with real English. (They do try to have native English teachers in classrooms but they're bound to lessons that Japanese people come up with and are almost always dictated by the government itself--centralized government, yay)

I live 5-10 minutes from Kitakyudai and end helping with classwork all the time, and it's almost inventively all wrong. I've written tons of things for students, and since you have to seem smart, the teachers come back with a bunch of red marks all over it (because they have to write something, right?).

>>13801216
>>13801232
>>13801255
You guys are really touchy, aren't you? A plane ticket to Japan isn't that expensive. Why don't you come over here?

>>13801200
>Fukuoka/Saga

Sweet, seems like a nice area. I recently watched a show set there (>>13692539). Looks like they have a lot of nice scenic train rides and onsen towns.

And just to relate it to this topic, I'll try to think of some wasei-eigo... ok, iirc in one episode, she's in Kurume and eats a bento called Kurume Gurume. or something like that.

>>13801084
It's funny because suing someone over something dumb is a stereotypically American thing to do.

>>13801264
It's an okay area. Then again, I'm originally from a nice part of Cali, so it feels like a step down in many ways. This is very much "real Japan". There's no McDonald's near me. I find myself sitting on the ground and sleeping on futons. I honestly miss chairs, but on the bright side, a small apartment is < $450 usd/month and food is dirt cheap. A block of cheddar cheese is $20, though. And meat is expensive.

Scenery out my window.

/jp/ - My Blog

>>13798501
Why don't you ask >>>/int/, where this shit belongs?

Why hasn't this been pruned, yet?

>>13798803
You're fucking stupid. Those are both still examples of loan words. They're adapting these words for the Japanese language. Different ways of doing the same thing. That is the WHOLE POINT.

But no, just spam ">being this retarded" like an idiot, you fucking idiot. Try thinking about what you're typing.

>>13798803
Also it's sairento, you fucking jackass. Don't try to correct people who actually know shit about the language.

>>13798817
This. They do this in songs too.
People even name their children with western names sometimes because it will indefinitely give their children some form of popularity.

Trust me. I've meet Japanese like this.
Also the reason behind why it is seen as cool seems to be from post war era. America became the initial figure that the Japanese government put into policy that all of Japan would need to be like America. This somewhat made and still makes America seem like a "cool" or figure of greatness which some Japanese, especially seen in Japanese me3dia, try to emulate or reproduce.


I think a great example of this is Be-Bop High School.

The title is always in English and if you say this series name in English to any Japanese person they will instantly recognize it. The Theme song's main line in the movies series is even the title.

KILL
FUCKIN
WHITEY

kuso thread

>>13801296
>tfw he's literally living the dream

>>13805701
Who are you quoting?

>>13805701
It's like winning a lottery, dude.

A few will win, but most of us won't.
Don't think you're alone.

>>13801167
>Japanese people use English all the time incorrectly precisely because they don't understand it. Putting "なう" and "わず" at the end of sentences is still common.
Not sure if retarded. You realize that なう is mostly used on Twitter or text messages and not in actual conversations, right?

>"コンビニなう" is used to mean "I'm at the convenience store right now."
6 cahracters vs around 40.

>>13801167
P.S. Fuck you normie-kun, get out.

>>13805791
>>13801296
fuggen weebs lmao

>>13805701
>>13805791
It's not a lottery, this guy honestly worked hard towards his goal. Holy shit, I hate NEETs.

>>13808262
some people never get a chance to work hard towards something like that

>>13808262
Yeah well, I hope he dies in a tsunami. I hate normalfags.

>>13801263
I noticed the kinda things you mentioned when I was an exchange student (10 months home-stay plus attended school) and this was nearly 14 years ago. Sounds like nothing much has changed. Do you think they will ever acknowledge their poor English language skills as a nation?

I went to a top high school that specialised in English language and even then, some of the teachers taught students incorrect English, not to mention the textbooks were just outdated and bizarre a lot of the time. Oddly though, the students were often given extremely advanced pieces of text to read from and although translations in Japanese were given, I got the impression no one really understood what they were studying.

Not that my motherland has anything to be proud about, our foreign language education is pretty atrocious at compulsory education level. Nobody gives a shit because we can get buy in the world with just English.

>>13801263
I noticed the kinda things you mentioned when I was an exchange student (10 months home-stay plus attended school) and this was nearly 14 years ago. Sounds like nothing much has changed. Do you think they will ever acknowledge their poor English language skills as a nation?

I went to a top high school that specialised in English language and even then, some of the teachers taught students incorrect English, not to mention the textbooks were just outdated and bizarre a lot of the time. Oddly though, the students were often given extremely advanced pieces of text to read from and although translations in Japanese were given, I got the impression no one really understood what they were studying.

Not that my motherland has anything to be proud about, our foreign language education is pretty atrocious at compulsory education level. Nobody gives a shit because we can get by in the world with just English.

>>13808569
>I went to a top high school that specialised in English language
>we can get buy in the world

Clearly.

>>13801135
>By that logic you can literally take any English word, "japanize" it and call it a Japanese loan word.

Sushi
Karaoke
Kamikaze

All of these are Japanese loanwords.

>>13808585
>japanese
>acknowledge anything

muh harmony

>>13808862
Who are you quoting?

>>13808603
Damn, I deleted that post because of my typo shame and reposted it pronto. Thought I got away with it.

For what it's worth, I didn't have to have much in the way of credentials to get in (unlike the tough tests the Japanese students had to take), just needed to be be enthusiastic and have the 'right' sort of personality. I did have to write an essay though as well as go through several interviews (but at least for the essay I had a bunch of time and spellcheck!).

>>13808603
Damn, I deleted that post because of my typo shame then reposted. Thought I got away with it.

For what it's worth, I didn't have to have much in the way of credentials to get in (unlike the tough tests the Japanese students had to take), just needed to be enthusiastic and have the 'right' sort of personality. I did have to write an essay though, as well as go through several interviews. I admit I had it easy, relatively speaking.

>>13808826
Typhoon, Tsunami, and Tycoon too.

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Words/loanwords.html

Your face when ketchup is a loanword from Malay.